Ohhhh, I see. 8:38, so once we grow up in this whole view of violence, we have a blind spot about the dangers of what virtue to authority can lead. Brilliant! I see it now.
But wait, let me get this straight. So you are saying there is a correlation between the power parents use over kids and then how much those kids think the state power is necessary, and to what degree they get offended and upset when you talk to them about state power. Then they get offended and upset because they believe you are insulting their parents through your insult of their political beliefs, since there is a direct correlation between the two?
But Stef, I'm still confused. You say that political talks don't matter, of course they do! They do matter in our own lives, not really that much in reality, but in our head, our political beliefs are a reflection of our own values. Therefore if our political beliefs are proven wrong, our values are sort of proven wrong, at least on a general basis as well.
Stef, I see it man. So, we don't like political talks and get offended by them because when we think about the state our subconscious is really thinking about our parents and all of the values they put into us. Therefore to question the state, is too question the values our parents put into us.
How? Also, if you want you child to be a conservative, fascist, anarchist, communist, etc. What would be different parenting styles? I bet Christina could figure something out. I posted a response to this vid asking that question
Absolutely wonderful examination of childhood development and political ideology. One of your best, Stef. Tell your wife thanks for her enlightening observation!
Of course, my use of "thank God" is purely conventional! But it seems that you believe that parents always give children instructions just to make them conform, do what THEY want etc. What about the possibility that SOME parents might actually tell children what to do or not to do because children cannot always see what is in their own best interests. Are you ruling out the possibility of this ever being the case?
OK maybe I put that a little strongly - sorry. But I still hold to my main point: your "family determines attitudes to authority" attitude does cut both ways.
I think your wife is right: it all starts with the family. Though, thank God, it doesn't end there. Your argument about attitudes towards the state is true but cuts both ways: early experience determines both excessive trust AND excessive distrust of real world authority. If we are lucky, we overcome this by establishing truth as our desired destination.
Also important to note is that governments, if giving too much authority, can gradually shape the values of the family as they see fit. This is usually at the detriment of independent thinking. This is why schools should distance itself from the state and its influences. Its also why certain fundamental premises should be mandatory in all school. Such as interpretation skills, critical thinking, individualism and increase the sense of value for one's mind not necessarily one's grades.
Simple & logical. This conclusion isn't anything new. This idea has been preached since the dawn of democracy. It has always required a participatory and educated citizenry. Of course education needs to center on independent thinking and the discouragement of group think. The family's similarity to the nation was well described by Freud. Only once we understand our own psychological processes in relation to society and authority can we begin to grasp our involvement in the nation.
Yeah i tend to refer to my folks as the government, for some similar authoritative actions my domestic government practices over me just as the state gov. does!
Ohhhh, I see. 8:38, so once we grow up in this whole view of violence, we have a blind spot about the dangers of what virtue to authority can lead. Brilliant! I see it now.
drew335533 1 year ago
But wait, let me get this straight. So you are saying there is a correlation between the power parents use over kids and then how much those kids think the state power is necessary, and to what degree they get offended and upset when you talk to them about state power. Then they get offended and upset because they believe you are insulting their parents through your insult of their political beliefs, since there is a direct correlation between the two?
drew335533 1 year ago
But Stef, I'm still confused. You say that political talks don't matter, of course they do! They do matter in our own lives, not really that much in reality, but in our head, our political beliefs are a reflection of our own values. Therefore if our political beliefs are proven wrong, our values are sort of proven wrong, at least on a general basis as well.
drew335533 1 year ago
Stef, I see it man. So, we don't like political talks and get offended by them because when we think about the state our subconscious is really thinking about our parents and all of the values they put into us. Therefore to question the state, is too question the values our parents put into us.
drew335533 1 year ago
Brilliant, you rock Stef.
Humpipe 1 year ago
Great video! One of my favourites.
DePerc 2 years ago
I don't think one can call one's own life experiences "empirical data."
lnd3005 3 years ago
I watched to the end and was mostly bored, but I must say- Great Conclusion. Makes total sense. :-)
Sepero1 3 years ago
FYI- My boredom comes from the way you read with less emotion. no offense.
Sepero1 3 years ago
Haha, none taken, this was one of my more sedate ones - try 'Space Aliens from Luxemburg' for a little more animation... :)
stefbot 3 years ago
No thanks, last time I got something free I couldn't get rid of it. Good luck! :)
devilndeepbluesea 4 years ago
STD?
stefbot 4 years ago
No, but funny.
devilndeepbluesea 4 years ago
HAHAHA!
kulza23 4 years ago
How much are you going to donate to me for listening to your rant?
devilndeepbluesea 4 years ago
Haha, tell you what, I'll send you a free book if you like... :)
stefbot 4 years ago
What type of parents do Communists have?
ProudAmerican8 4 years ago
Russian parents are very authoritarian...
stefbot 4 years ago
How? Also, if you want you child to be a conservative, fascist, anarchist, communist, etc. What would be different parenting styles? I bet Christina could figure something out. I posted a response to this vid asking that question
ProudAmerican8 4 years ago
How is family evil? How can reproduce and have a stable life?
ProudAmerican8 4 years ago
Family is not innately evil.
stefbot 4 years ago
Absolutely wonderful examination of childhood development and political ideology. One of your best, Stef. Tell your wife thanks for her enlightening observation!
p0pjunkie 4 years ago
Of course, my use of "thank God" is purely conventional! But it seems that you believe that parents always give children instructions just to make them conform, do what THEY want etc. What about the possibility that SOME parents might actually tell children what to do or not to do because children cannot always see what is in their own best interests. Are you ruling out the possibility of this ever being the case?
parispeter2 4 years ago
Dude, when are you going to start trusting me? ;)
Of *course* parents need to instruct their children.
stefbot 4 years ago
OK maybe I put that a little strongly - sorry. But I still hold to my main point: your "family determines attitudes to authority" attitude does cut both ways.
parispeter2 4 years ago
I think your wife is right: it all starts with the family. Though, thank God, it doesn't end there. Your argument about attitudes towards the state is true but cuts both ways: early experience determines both excessive trust AND excessive distrust of real world authority. If we are lucky, we overcome this by establishing truth as our desired destination.
parispeter2 4 years ago
Holy crap! That is surely something to think about!
Daghita 4 years ago
Also important to note is that governments, if giving too much authority, can gradually shape the values of the family as they see fit. This is usually at the detriment of independent thinking. This is why schools should distance itself from the state and its influences. Its also why certain fundamental premises should be mandatory in all school. Such as interpretation skills, critical thinking, individualism and increase the sense of value for one's mind not necessarily one's grades.
snipboy 4 years ago
Simple & logical. This conclusion isn't anything new. This idea has been preached since the dawn of democracy. It has always required a participatory and educated citizenry. Of course education needs to center on independent thinking and the discouragement of group think. The family's similarity to the nation was well described by Freud. Only once we understand our own psychological processes in relation to society and authority can we begin to grasp our involvement in the nation.
snipboy 4 years ago
.. a well formulated train of thought .. this is the way to go stef!
tejayce 4 years ago
This should be a part of some mandatory-kidding ;‹ ) strongly recommended parenting course!
Elaina43 4 years ago
Yeah i tend to refer to my folks as the government, for some similar authoritative actions my domestic government practices over me just as the state gov. does!
MAldoseri 4 years ago
"We cannot make men free by getting rid of the state, but we can get rid of the state by making men free."
-stefbot the invincible
w0rldpeace 4 years ago