It's really astonishing reading the comments on ANY video about 9/11. I've never seen anything more divisive than this issue, it's interesting how that works. The Coincidence Theorists can't allow themselves to believe that they've been sold a lie their entire lives and will go so far as to insult and dismiss the Conspiracy Theorists as nuts, most times without ever even having done ANY real research into the subject in order to sustain their false illusion of the world and not face the truth.
@Dr1Canuckchuck That is what amazes me the most. The willful ignorance of some people who instead of even bothering to take a glimpse, just turn their heads. I guess their patriotism won't allow them to accept any criticism or imperfection in their government.
@DanielJoseDiego Actually, I think what's going on is they're terrified of having to admit to themselves and others that they were duped. Their egos are so fragile they can't allow others to see them as anything less than geniuses, and by acknowledging that they fell for a lie their whole lives they think it's going to make them look stupid, so they just deny the truths that are staring them in the face and hurl insults at those who HAVE acknowledged them. It's easier to call OTHERS stupid.
@DanielJoseDiego That charge would hold some ground if only non-leftist Americans didn't believe the conspiracies, rather than what is actually the case - only non-leftist Americans believe the conspiracies!
Why? To believe the implied story here you you to imagine that it was in some ruthless people's interests to have the towers collapse completely. You have to believe that the American public would just brush off the crashing of airliners into iconic buildings causing people to leap rather than burn as just one of those things, not worth America responding to militarily. You just have to be a gullible idiot and happy to be seen that way.
@MartinJWillett - Insults and tired easy epithets are pointless and beneath you. Who's interest it was in is debatable but the fact that a desperate empire facing Peak Oil got to militarily surround 60% of the recoverable oil left on earth may be a clue.
I notice you've not one word to say about the points and evidence mentioned in this film. How odd. It's hard for people to come to terms with the fact that we've been had by this but the official account simply falls to bits when examined.
@Wakeymedia3 Why would anybody need the towers to collapse to make crashing planes full of innocent people into buildings appear to be evil actions? Answer the question, don't change the subject and make vague elliptical hints, in other words try not to act like a cornered conspiracy theorist.
Answer - I don't know. I suspect that it was shock-therapy, a psychological attack on the populace to stampede us all into war and the more ready acceptance of draconian legislation. Big things were riding on these events, that is obvious.
What I do know is that hundreds upon hundreds of thousands of tons of steel and concrete would not fall straight down in about 15 seconds like that . You don't need to be Einstein to work that one out, in my opinion.
@Wakeymedia3 And the tale of rescuing hundreds of people from the roof by helicopter after three hours of dreading being burned alive that would NOT have had the same psychological impact as a long list of names of the dead? Seriously you should do some thinking about that. Why risk hundreds of thermate-wielding ninjas being discovered in the most evil plan in the history of humanity to make the biggest television news story in history a bit more faceless, unbelievable and blandly shocking?
@MartinJWillett - We can both advise each other to "do some thinking about that". It had to be spectacular and truly traumatising, it had to be like something never seen before (in my opinion). Damaged buildings and a few hundred dead would not have had the same impact. Don't forget the completed invasion plans and legislation that were already, pre-9/11, on the table, these are big imperial plans here. They needed an excuse to go all-out with it. They got - carte blanche.
@Wakeymedia3 Yes, blandly. Television tries to make a big deal out of the dead but they will never hold the attention of the people in the way survivors do. The faces of 7/7 are all bloodied survivors, not the slightly blurred shots of people you know (intellectually, but not on a gut level) are dead. Also towers which didn't fall would make the perfect iconic images to stencil onto the noses of bombers - a thought I had half an hour before the first tower fell.
@Wakeymedia3 The public could not imagine 3,000 people dead. A few hundred would have done just as well and made just as big an impact on television especially as there would be more traumatized survivors to interview. It would be an absurd risk to take and for what benefit? Risking the possibility of being executed for high treason to merely gild the lily. It doesn't add up at all.
@MartinJWillett - of course the impact of 3000 dead is going to register in the imaginations of people as opposed to say 300.
It adds up from the point of view of an utterly insane Fascist element and an imperial machine looking for, as I said, carte blanche to do whatever the firk it likes. Of course I don't know the bloody minutiae of it but I since when did Fascists (for it is they) do things that elicited the reaction "oh, that's very sensible and sane"?
@Wakeymedia3 I tire of transparent manipulative propaganda with the strings showing very easily.
There is no of course about it. The human mind can only cope with about 1,000 people. Two plane loads plus an unknown number killed on impact, burned to death and jumped to avoid death would have been quite enough to fill the imagination with enough horror. There would be no need at all for over-kill.
@MartinJWillett - I'm genuinely puzzled with the "The human mind can only cope with about 1,000 people" line.
It's insane enough as you say but they used such trauma to stun the populace and much of the world, that's my opinion. We can go round and round as to why they did such a thing or what they thought they were playing at.
The fact remains that in proportion to their sheer mass these structures were hit by aluminium tubes full of paraffin. And they BOTH just dissolved in 15 seconds each?
@Wakeymedia3 It is a standard observation that people can only cope with about 1,000 people. A village of that size works just fine. Towns that are larger result in people refusing to make eye-contact and acting as if people were just obstacles in their way. Hundreds dead is a tragedy, thousands dead is a statistic. If the purpose was to make people take notice why did they ignore basic human psychology? Imagine Oprah interviewing traumatized survivors who watched their friends jump.
@MartinJWillett - I can see that would be true in the context of the urban environment but I don't agree that the slaughter and trauma inflicted would've had the same impact with no "collapses" etc. As I've said, I don't know why that was deemed necessary, but one can surmise.
It still remains however that unless the laws of physics were suspended that day then the story of the two collapses caused by planes piloted by guys who couldn't competently fly a single-engined Cessna is pure hogwash.
@Wakeymedia3 Go on then, surmise. Name names, point your finger, fill in all the blanks.
As I recall the whole world was quite happy with the story as it played out, the idea of a conspiracy surrounding the story didn't emerge for several years. It wasn't until after the start of the Iraq war that I first came across people peddling this conspiracy story and the idea that the laws of physics were repealed.
@MartinJWillett - Not knowing, which is impossible to know, who exactly was behind this does not mean that the official account of these events automatically stands. It does not.
Knowing that the guys who were set up as patsies could not competently fly a small plane is a clue. Knowing that at the base of all 3 structures there were pools of molten steel for weeks after is another. Seriously - did you watch all of this film?
I know for a fact you can think for yourself. Address those points.
@Wakeymedia3 How many times do I have to to say that I could not watch the whole film? I hate propaganda.
Why would a conspiracy to start a war with Iraq set up patsies from Saudi Arabia, a country whose cooperation would be required in a war on Iraq? Why not a single Iraqi? Having a licence to fly a small plane requires competence in taking off and landing, unnecessary skills for pilots with Jihadi Airlines.
@MartinJWillett - You asked - "How many times do I have to to say that I could not watch the whole film?" - well, once is fine. Which you have - once, as you, and everyone else, can see from these comments.
If you hate propaganda why do you lazily parrot the official account of these murders? And you haven't watched the film yet you comment on it? Have some standards - you're commenting on something you haven't seen. That's head-in-the-sand.
Can't fly a Cessna but can fly an Airliner? Really?
@Wakeymedia3 Flying a Cessna requires experience and practice of take off and safe landing. Why would a Jihadist need such experience? He doesn't need to show a fucking pilot's licence to kill the pilot and push him out of his seat. He only needs to practice turning, level flight and reducing altitude while avoiding a stall - all fairly easy stuff compared to landing and take off.
There's nothing clever about watching propaganda, I have better things to do with my time.
@MartinJWillett - You're an expert in aviation? Well, you'll be interested to hear that there's a fellow aviation expert in this very film - thirty year veteran military and civil pilot, Russ Wittenberg (who, by your logic must also be wearing a very large tinfoil hat) and he has some very interesting things to say. Very interesting indeed.
But poor Martin will not get the benefit of Mr. Wittenberg's wisdom because what Mr. Wittenberg has to say is "propaganda" and Martin doesn't watch that ;-)
@MartinJWillett- I answer questions to which I have an answer. Just because I don't have all the answers to something doesn't mean that the evidence so far does not render the official account of these murders pure hogwash.
On a different matter - I am surprised that you have actually bothered to take the time to write your comments here dissing this film when by your own admission you have not seen it. Surely you realise how preposterous that makes you? See the film "Improbable Collapse" too.
@Wakeymedia3 Clearly you won't answer questions and you will only beg people to indoctrinate themselves on their own time.
What I have difficulty in understanding is why there would be such a huge operation risking people being found guilty of high treason and mass murder in order to frame Saudi Arabian Islamists, in order to start a war with Iraq, and why this central question is one you continually duck. Who is paying you?
@MartinJWillett - man, that's desperate. You do realise you just said that in public don't you?
I will answer that question right now in plain English. Ready? Here we go - I do not know.
Next?
On a similar kind of point - why do you ignore points made about the collapses of the buildings, the flying of the planes, and, erm . . . everything else?
And the fact remains you are commenting on a film you have not seen. Carry on if you like but why you're doing that to yourself is anyone's guess.
@Wakeymedia3 I have commented on as much of the film as I could bear watching. I don't do propaganda. If you can't see the tricks used in that film to manipulate people's emotions and lead their thinking you are not safe to be in control of your own money without asking help from a responsible adult.
I notice you ducked the central question yet again. It is clearly against the conspiracy theorists' code to suggest a coherent narrative, only to open up vague and sinister "possibilities".
@MartinJWillett - I didn't duck the question as anyone who reads my answer can see.
Can you please help us all by pointing out exactly where "the tricks used in that film to manipulate people's emotions and lead their thinking" are, and what they are please?
There are many pieces of evidence and much information in this film. I notice you have not commented on any of them, apart from your pronouncements as an aviation expert. And yet at the same time you seem to expect to be taken seriously.
@Wakeymedia3 If you can't see them you shouldn't go out of sight of your carer. To point them out I'd have to waste even more of my time on your fantasies. Why would I want to do that?
@MartinJWillett - you resort to epithets, insults and say nothing about the points raised in the film. What are you scared of?
Also - I have posted a short video today just for you which you will be very interested in judging by your knowledge of aviation. It is entitled "An Airline Pilot Speaks".
@Wakeymedia3 Are you actually conspiring to waste my time? I AM NOT INTERESTED in your fucking conspiracy theory, the one you WON'T elaborate or defend or explain. Can't you understand that? How stupid are you?
I say see this piece of evidence, e.g. this film and "Improbable Collapse" or that piece of evidence, e.g. the short film entitled "9/11 - A Short Physics Lesson - Buildings Don't Just Dissolve".
That is elaborating, that is defending, that is explaining. And you refuse to look at and listen to that evidence and comment directly upon what you'll see if you do.
You expect me to summarise entire films right here in the comments column.
@Wakeymedia3 This is YOUR hobby, and yet you seem to refuse to speculate on the central mystery of why anybody would go to so much trouble, as if crashing aircraft into populated buildings was not itself enough of an outrage. All you want to do is get people mired down in even more detail about side issues. Why? Who is paying you?
@MartinJWillett - PS, try actually commenting on a specific piece of information or evidence in this film. Just one. You haven't yet apart from your expertise in aviation. I cited the section of this film which features the evidence of Russ Wittenberg you remain silent on it and refuse to listen to it.
@MartinJWillett - try actually commenting on one of the points made in the film because anything else is guff. Try the building "collapses". You haven't commented on anything yet apart from aviation, you have quite a knack for that.
Your aviation point is blown out of the water by a thirty year experience pilot in the film by the way. You haven't commented on that either.
You haven't actually said anything other than "yah boo sucks!!" yet (I'm paraphrasing). It's all there for people to see.
@Wakeymedia3 I asked you to address the central part of the conspiracy and you refused to do anything other than say you didn't know. You seem to be very free on making your mind up about plenty of things which help show that there may be a conspiracy but when challenged to stick some meat on the bones you refuse to say anything. If you never do anything except pose multiple questions you can never be refuted.
@MartinJWillett - of course I don't know. Without a full and independent investigation it is impossible to know. There is however ample evidence that these murders were not carried out by 19 patsies.
You have not commented on or dealt with any of that evidence. You've said nothing and now you are copping out when challenged to actually comment on something.
When there's ample evidence for Fred Blogs burgling a house you don't throw the whole case out because you don't know what time he did it.
@Wakeymedia3 You do it for fun? Stirring up people to distrust unknown enemies who do some evil for reasons you won't speculate on.
Why do you find it so hard to believe that Islamists did what they have been wanting to do for years and claimed responsibility for? Why do they have to be patsies for your preferred enemy, something powerful, sinister and white? Why would it be necessary for the towers to fall to make America sit up and take notice?
I'm not interested in your fantasies and I didn't watch much of "your" film. I just want to ask you about the gaping hole in the heart of your theory, which you want to brush off as nothing important. You won't say who were the conspirators or why they did what they did, you just expect a few hand-waving gestures and buzz-words to cover up your shortcomings.
@MartinJWillett - You still won't comment on anything in this film yet you expect to be taken seriously when you diss it. Amazing. I would seriously have expected better from you but here you are, for all to see, flunking the lot. That is SO piss-poor that it is off the scale.
And again, your inability or refusal to address anything in this film is stark and glaring. I mean this IS a comment column on the film. A film you diss while still not challenging anything in it.
@totaldissenter69 Was it that hard a question to answer? They only like to keep asking the questions and changing the subject, they never like to be put on the spot to say who did what, when and why. A hundred questions is always better than one answer for them.
@MartinJWillett - Look - a man who can be made to believe that two of the most massive structures ever built can both (both - get that!) dissolve straight down in about 15 seconds. You couldn't make it up! ;-)
He can also wilfully ignore the pools (yes pools, sorry about reality) of molten steel under the rubble of all three structures (the other one took 6 seconds - wow!) after nano-thermite (a steel-cutting charge which produces . . . molten steel) is detected in the debris.
@Wakeymedia3 It's a simple question - why did the building have to be made to collapse? What was insufficiently monstrous about flying planes full of people into buildings full of people?
@MartinJWillett - To stampede enough of the population into accepting war - a war that has militarily surrounded 60% of the recoverable oil on this planet in the face of Peak Oil. Seems fairly obvious. On the back of trauma like that Fascists can have a field day.
Again - you will not go anywhere near the details and content of my comment immediately above this one, the comment to which to responded, you will not address it. It's so obvious it wouldn't fool a kid in a high school physics class
@Wakeymedia3 You are really believing that if the towers had stood and people kept jumping and burning that the American public would have just shrugged it off as just one of those things that happens sometimes in America and just got on with life?
No, I'm not playing your games as you are clearly a nutter.
The question was what was insufficiently monstrous about planes full of people being flown into buildings full of people? You ducked it. AGAIN.
@MartinJWillett - name calling and ignoring the points I made is pathetic. It's there for all to see. Your choice.
The reason why this was done was to traumatise the population to such an extent that they will swallow anything. Would that have been possible without the "collapses"? We don't know - they did "collapse" so it's a non-question really.
Now - it's you who is constantly ducking the points I made. Just try. Try to answer the points I made two of my comments above. You haven't yet. Try
@Wakeymedia3 Third attempt: what was insufficiently monstrous about flying planes full of people into buildings full of people?
You need a good answer if you think that a child could see through deception and artifice (about five years later). Why would any conspiracy take such an enormous risk of detection and murder innocent people? They had to believe that crashing planes full of people into building full of people wasn't shocking enough. Why? What did this scenario lack?
@MartinJWillett - Martin, poor Martin, I have addressed your question. Now - address the points I made in my original comment in this phase, the comment I refer to was posted by me approx. 2 hours ago and began with the words "Look - a man who can be made to believe . . . ".
You have to do at least that to be credible - and that's in the light of you not addressing even one single point made in this documentary in this whole column yet AND having admitted that you haven't even watched it.
@Wakeymedia3 You haven't addressed the point AT ALL. You have brushed it aside. It is absolutely critical to your entire conspiracy theory.
Your "documentary" is a load of bollocks knitted together with bullshit and sold with transparent manipulation techniques. I will no more allow that stuff onto my screen than I would trust my penis to a Nairobi prostitute or click on a link sent to me in spam.
@MartinJWillett - you asked why would this be done if a crash and resulting deaths would be sufficient and I answered. It's there in plain English for all to see. Is it mad and unnecessary for a Fascist clique to do that? Yes, ofcourse it is. But since when did Fascists do sensible things?
The clear evidence is there that the official account of these murders is simply hogwash. I have pointed out some of it and you will not even address it and you haven't even watched the film - that's pathetic
@MartinJWillett Um, nothing, However by taking down the buildings a certain individual made a lot, a whole lot of money. Duh! Also, oops did you forget about this, there criminal investigation records in building 7 that, well, they don't exist anymore now do they?
@randyleepublic1 How does that address the point about destroying the towers and murdering the hundreds of people who could have been telling their graphic eye-witness accounts of seeing friends hold hand and jump? Before the first tower fell there was enough damage to lead to the later demolition of the towers and of a story of horror and death to justify America going to war if the leadership wanted it - wars have started over much less. Conspiracy theorists ALWAYS dodge this central issue.
How could anyone not wake up after watching this documentary!? People need to be informed on the true events of 9/11. Pass this video on.Lets wake up the sheepeople!
Most excellent video. It ties many things together I read about over the years. Working with Engineers and Architects for years and when this happened I thought to myself a plane can't do this. Jet fuel does not burn that hot????? Then with the Pentagon, where are the parts of the plane and why such a small hole????
The video does not mention that the flight data recorders were would in NYC. They were quickly carried away by the FBI. Firemen testified to this.
DEVASTATING. And I was there. Truly. I saw the fires burning FROM THE BOTTOM -- from my rooftop in Brooklyn. "Jet fuel." You know what I say? "Bullshit." You American sheeple DESERVE everything that's happened to you if you don't exercise your right to think. I'm a proud American, and I can't wait to fucking get out of this place if it's built on lies that killed my downstairs neighbor's father, wounded all those soldiers, and bankrupted our future. Freedom is not free; THINK.
Well it appears that most of us are awake here... how do we get to the dupes? Facebook, and emails... forget about the risk it will have on your business or even friends. Things will only get worse if we remain shy.
Don't be afraid to speak your mind, but do remember that most are not ready for it. Don't blame them for it, though. If a person needs their security who are you to take it away? The only thing you can do is speak about things and trust that over time, as you continue to think for yourself, others will see you as an example worth following. Don't a be a dick about it, though. As more people catch on it'll be like a flowering meadow.
You know I was prepared to respond directly to you... but I read your comment again... and thought hmm... I have to think more on what approach is best. I have certainly grown short with people, so being direct has become my style, but naturally I do care a great deal about humanity. Yes people need security but have none, relying on a false sense of security is not such a good option... but anyway I will consider your advice. ~Cheers my friend!
The entire bush administration must be charged with war crimes, terrorism, murder among a host of other charges. They must all be interrogated at say Guantanamo? Or any other place the fbi takes and tortures it's victims to get information.
@a2zhandi And the Obama administration must be right behind them should they fail to detain these satanic murderers. Left, right, they're all the same!
@a2zhandi The truth is not hidden. It is in plain sight saying "I did it, I confess!" It has a track record. It has personal connections. It is written, it is seen.
Those involved are not secretive about it. They are open - they say it in front of microphones.
Dario Fo is an Italian playwright, theater director, satirist, actor and composer is not an Engineer!
Dorthunder 1 month ago
@Dorthunder - He can still point out the extremely obvious you silly man. Can't you think for yourself?
Wakeymedia3 1 month ago
It's really astonishing reading the comments on ANY video about 9/11. I've never seen anything more divisive than this issue, it's interesting how that works. The Coincidence Theorists can't allow themselves to believe that they've been sold a lie their entire lives and will go so far as to insult and dismiss the Conspiracy Theorists as nuts, most times without ever even having done ANY real research into the subject in order to sustain their false illusion of the world and not face the truth.
Dr1Canuckchuck 4 months ago
@Dr1Canuckchuck That is what amazes me the most. The willful ignorance of some people who instead of even bothering to take a glimpse, just turn their heads. I guess their patriotism won't allow them to accept any criticism or imperfection in their government.
DanielJoseDiego 4 months ago
@DanielJoseDiego Actually, I think what's going on is they're terrified of having to admit to themselves and others that they were duped. Their egos are so fragile they can't allow others to see them as anything less than geniuses, and by acknowledging that they fell for a lie their whole lives they think it's going to make them look stupid, so they just deny the truths that are staring them in the face and hurl insults at those who HAVE acknowledged them. It's easier to call OTHERS stupid.
Dr1Canuckchuck 4 months ago
@DanielJoseDiego That charge would hold some ground if only non-leftist Americans didn't believe the conspiracies, rather than what is actually the case - only non-leftist Americans believe the conspiracies!
MartinJWillett 1 month ago
Excellent film, thank you!!!
jonescool1fly 5 months ago
Why? To believe the implied story here you you to imagine that it was in some ruthless people's interests to have the towers collapse completely. You have to believe that the American public would just brush off the crashing of airliners into iconic buildings causing people to leap rather than burn as just one of those things, not worth America responding to militarily. You just have to be a gullible idiot and happy to be seen that way.
MartinJWillett 9 months ago
@MartinJWillett - Insults and tired easy epithets are pointless and beneath you. Who's interest it was in is debatable but the fact that a desperate empire facing Peak Oil got to militarily surround 60% of the recoverable oil left on earth may be a clue.
I notice you've not one word to say about the points and evidence mentioned in this film. How odd. It's hard for people to come to terms with the fact that we've been had by this but the official account simply falls to bits when examined.
Wakeymedia3 9 months ago
@Wakeymedia3 Why would anybody need the towers to collapse to make crashing planes full of innocent people into buildings appear to be evil actions? Answer the question, don't change the subject and make vague elliptical hints, in other words try not to act like a cornered conspiracy theorist.
MartinJWillett 9 months ago
@MartinJWillett - Don't get into a tizzy.
Answer - I don't know. I suspect that it was shock-therapy, a psychological attack on the populace to stampede us all into war and the more ready acceptance of draconian legislation. Big things were riding on these events, that is obvious.
What I do know is that hundreds upon hundreds of thousands of tons of steel and concrete would not fall straight down in about 15 seconds like that . You don't need to be Einstein to work that one out, in my opinion.
Wakeymedia3 9 months ago
@Wakeymedia3 And the tale of rescuing hundreds of people from the roof by helicopter after three hours of dreading being burned alive that would NOT have had the same psychological impact as a long list of names of the dead? Seriously you should do some thinking about that. Why risk hundreds of thermate-wielding ninjas being discovered in the most evil plan in the history of humanity to make the biggest television news story in history a bit more faceless, unbelievable and blandly shocking?
MartinJWillett 9 months ago
@MartinJWillett - We can both advise each other to "do some thinking about that". It had to be spectacular and truly traumatising, it had to be like something never seen before (in my opinion). Damaged buildings and a few hundred dead would not have had the same impact. Don't forget the completed invasion plans and legislation that were already, pre-9/11, on the table, these are big imperial plans here. They needed an excuse to go all-out with it. They got - carte blanche.
PS - "Blandly"?!
Wakeymedia3 9 months ago
@Wakeymedia3 Yes, blandly. Television tries to make a big deal out of the dead but they will never hold the attention of the people in the way survivors do. The faces of 7/7 are all bloodied survivors, not the slightly blurred shots of people you know (intellectually, but not on a gut level) are dead. Also towers which didn't fall would make the perfect iconic images to stencil onto the noses of bombers - a thought I had half an hour before the first tower fell.
MartinJWillett 9 months ago
@Wakeymedia3 The public could not imagine 3,000 people dead. A few hundred would have done just as well and made just as big an impact on television especially as there would be more traumatized survivors to interview. It would be an absurd risk to take and for what benefit? Risking the possibility of being executed for high treason to merely gild the lily. It doesn't add up at all.
MartinJWillett 9 months ago
@MartinJWillett - of course the impact of 3000 dead is going to register in the imaginations of people as opposed to say 300.
It adds up from the point of view of an utterly insane Fascist element and an imperial machine looking for, as I said, carte blanche to do whatever the firk it likes. Of course I don't know the bloody minutiae of it but I since when did Fascists (for it is they) do things that elicited the reaction "oh, that's very sensible and sane"?
Did you see the whole film?
Wakeymedia3 9 months ago
@Wakeymedia3 I tire of transparent manipulative propaganda with the strings showing very easily.
There is no of course about it. The human mind can only cope with about 1,000 people. Two plane loads plus an unknown number killed on impact, burned to death and jumped to avoid death would have been quite enough to fill the imagination with enough horror. There would be no need at all for over-kill.
MartinJWillett 9 months ago
@MartinJWillett - I'm genuinely puzzled with the "The human mind can only cope with about 1,000 people" line.
It's insane enough as you say but they used such trauma to stun the populace and much of the world, that's my opinion. We can go round and round as to why they did such a thing or what they thought they were playing at.
The fact remains that in proportion to their sheer mass these structures were hit by aluminium tubes full of paraffin. And they BOTH just dissolved in 15 seconds each?
Wakeymedia3 9 months ago
@Wakeymedia3 It is a standard observation that people can only cope with about 1,000 people. A village of that size works just fine. Towns that are larger result in people refusing to make eye-contact and acting as if people were just obstacles in their way. Hundreds dead is a tragedy, thousands dead is a statistic. If the purpose was to make people take notice why did they ignore basic human psychology? Imagine Oprah interviewing traumatized survivors who watched their friends jump.
MartinJWillett 9 months ago
@MartinJWillett - I can see that would be true in the context of the urban environment but I don't agree that the slaughter and trauma inflicted would've had the same impact with no "collapses" etc. As I've said, I don't know why that was deemed necessary, but one can surmise.
It still remains however that unless the laws of physics were suspended that day then the story of the two collapses caused by planes piloted by guys who couldn't competently fly a single-engined Cessna is pure hogwash.
Wakeymedia3 9 months ago
@Wakeymedia3 Go on then, surmise. Name names, point your finger, fill in all the blanks.
As I recall the whole world was quite happy with the story as it played out, the idea of a conspiracy surrounding the story didn't emerge for several years. It wasn't until after the start of the Iraq war that I first came across people peddling this conspiracy story and the idea that the laws of physics were repealed.
MartinJWillett 9 months ago
@MartinJWillett - Not knowing, which is impossible to know, who exactly was behind this does not mean that the official account of these events automatically stands. It does not.
Knowing that the guys who were set up as patsies could not competently fly a small plane is a clue. Knowing that at the base of all 3 structures there were pools of molten steel for weeks after is another. Seriously - did you watch all of this film?
I know for a fact you can think for yourself. Address those points.
Wakeymedia3 9 months ago
@Wakeymedia3 How many times do I have to to say that I could not watch the whole film? I hate propaganda.
Why would a conspiracy to start a war with Iraq set up patsies from Saudi Arabia, a country whose cooperation would be required in a war on Iraq? Why not a single Iraqi? Having a licence to fly a small plane requires competence in taking off and landing, unnecessary skills for pilots with Jihadi Airlines.
MartinJWillett 9 months ago
@MartinJWillett - You asked - "How many times do I have to to say that I could not watch the whole film?" - well, once is fine. Which you have - once, as you, and everyone else, can see from these comments.
If you hate propaganda why do you lazily parrot the official account of these murders? And you haven't watched the film yet you comment on it? Have some standards - you're commenting on something you haven't seen. That's head-in-the-sand.
Can't fly a Cessna but can fly an Airliner? Really?
Wakeymedia3 9 months ago
@Wakeymedia3 Flying a Cessna requires experience and practice of take off and safe landing. Why would a Jihadist need such experience? He doesn't need to show a fucking pilot's licence to kill the pilot and push him out of his seat. He only needs to practice turning, level flight and reducing altitude while avoiding a stall - all fairly easy stuff compared to landing and take off.
There's nothing clever about watching propaganda, I have better things to do with my time.
MartinJWillett 9 months ago
@MartinJWillett - You're an expert in aviation? Well, you'll be interested to hear that there's a fellow aviation expert in this very film - thirty year veteran military and civil pilot, Russ Wittenberg (who, by your logic must also be wearing a very large tinfoil hat) and he has some very interesting things to say. Very interesting indeed.
But poor Martin will not get the benefit of Mr. Wittenberg's wisdom because what Mr. Wittenberg has to say is "propaganda" and Martin doesn't watch that ;-)
Wakeymedia3 9 months ago
@Wakeymedia3 Can you answer questions or only ask them and beg people to indoctrinate themselves on their own time?
MartinJWillett 9 months ago
@MartinJWillett- I answer questions to which I have an answer. Just because I don't have all the answers to something doesn't mean that the evidence so far does not render the official account of these murders pure hogwash.
On a different matter - I am surprised that you have actually bothered to take the time to write your comments here dissing this film when by your own admission you have not seen it. Surely you realise how preposterous that makes you? See the film "Improbable Collapse" too.
Wakeymedia3 9 months ago
@Wakeymedia3 Clearly you won't answer questions and you will only beg people to indoctrinate themselves on their own time.
What I have difficulty in understanding is why there would be such a huge operation risking people being found guilty of high treason and mass murder in order to frame Saudi Arabian Islamists, in order to start a war with Iraq, and why this central question is one you continually duck. Who is paying you?
MartinJWillett 9 months ago
@MartinJWillett - man, that's desperate. You do realise you just said that in public don't you?
I will answer that question right now in plain English. Ready? Here we go - I do not know.
Next?
On a similar kind of point - why do you ignore points made about the collapses of the buildings, the flying of the planes, and, erm . . . everything else?
And the fact remains you are commenting on a film you have not seen. Carry on if you like but why you're doing that to yourself is anyone's guess.
Wakeymedia3 9 months ago
@Wakeymedia3 I have commented on as much of the film as I could bear watching. I don't do propaganda. If you can't see the tricks used in that film to manipulate people's emotions and lead their thinking you are not safe to be in control of your own money without asking help from a responsible adult.
I notice you ducked the central question yet again. It is clearly against the conspiracy theorists' code to suggest a coherent narrative, only to open up vague and sinister "possibilities".
MartinJWillett 9 months ago
@MartinJWillett - I didn't duck the question as anyone who reads my answer can see.
Can you please help us all by pointing out exactly where "the tricks used in that film to manipulate people's emotions and lead their thinking" are, and what they are please?
There are many pieces of evidence and much information in this film. I notice you have not commented on any of them, apart from your pronouncements as an aviation expert. And yet at the same time you seem to expect to be taken seriously.
Wakeymedia3 9 months ago
@Wakeymedia3 If you can't see them you shouldn't go out of sight of your carer. To point them out I'd have to waste even more of my time on your fantasies. Why would I want to do that?
MartinJWillett 9 months ago
@MartinJWillett - you resort to epithets, insults and say nothing about the points raised in the film. What are you scared of?
Also - I have posted a short video today just for you which you will be very interested in judging by your knowledge of aviation. It is entitled "An Airline Pilot Speaks".
Wakeymedia3 9 months ago
@Wakeymedia3 Are you actually conspiring to waste my time? I AM NOT INTERESTED in your fucking conspiracy theory, the one you WON'T elaborate or defend or explain. Can't you understand that? How stupid are you?
MartinJWillett 9 months ago
@MartinJWillett - fifteen comments worth of not interested.
I say see this piece of evidence, e.g. this film and "Improbable Collapse" or that piece of evidence, e.g. the short film entitled "9/11 - A Short Physics Lesson - Buildings Don't Just Dissolve".
That is elaborating, that is defending, that is explaining. And you refuse to look at and listen to that evidence and comment directly upon what you'll see if you do.
You expect me to summarise entire films right here in the comments column.
Wakeymedia3 9 months ago
@Wakeymedia3 This is YOUR hobby, and yet you seem to refuse to speculate on the central mystery of why anybody would go to so much trouble, as if crashing aircraft into populated buildings was not itself enough of an outrage. All you want to do is get people mired down in even more detail about side issues. Why? Who is paying you?
MartinJWillett 9 months ago
@MartinJWillett - PS, try actually commenting on a specific piece of information or evidence in this film. Just one. You haven't yet apart from your expertise in aviation. I cited the section of this film which features the evidence of Russ Wittenberg you remain silent on it and refuse to listen to it.
How odd.
Wakeymedia3 9 months ago
@Wakeymedia3 .
MartinJWillett 9 months ago
@MartinJWillett - try actually commenting on one of the points made in the film because anything else is guff. Try the building "collapses". You haven't commented on anything yet apart from aviation, you have quite a knack for that.
Your aviation point is blown out of the water by a thirty year experience pilot in the film by the way. You haven't commented on that either.
You haven't actually said anything other than "yah boo sucks!!" yet (I'm paraphrasing). It's all there for people to see.
Wakeymedia3 9 months ago
@Wakeymedia3 I asked you to address the central part of the conspiracy and you refused to do anything other than say you didn't know. You seem to be very free on making your mind up about plenty of things which help show that there may be a conspiracy but when challenged to stick some meat on the bones you refuse to say anything. If you never do anything except pose multiple questions you can never be refuted.
NO. I will not let you waste my time any further.
MartinJWillett 9 months ago
@MartinJWillett - of course I don't know. Without a full and independent investigation it is impossible to know. There is however ample evidence that these murders were not carried out by 19 patsies.
You have not commented on or dealt with any of that evidence. You've said nothing and now you are copping out when challenged to actually comment on something.
When there's ample evidence for Fred Blogs burgling a house you don't throw the whole case out because you don't know what time he did it.
Wakeymedia3 9 months ago
@Wakeymedia3 BULLSHIT.
Who is paying you?
MartinJWillett 9 months ago
@MartinJWillett - that is, without a shadow of a doubt, THE most desperate comment ever made on this channel.
Now, dear Martin, please try, at least once, to comment on something actually mentioned in this film (and don't ignore the building "collapses").
Wakeymedia3 9 months ago
@Wakeymedia3 You do it for fun? Stirring up people to distrust unknown enemies who do some evil for reasons you won't speculate on.
Why do you find it so hard to believe that Islamists did what they have been wanting to do for years and claimed responsibility for? Why do they have to be patsies for your preferred enemy, something powerful, sinister and white? Why would it be necessary for the towers to fall to make America sit up and take notice?
No answers. Just ever more conspiracy.
MartinJWillett 9 months ago
@MartinJWillett - Comment. On. Some. Of. The. Points. Made. In. The. Film. And. Stop. Wilfully. Ignoring. Them.
Wakeymedia3 9 months ago
@Wakeymedia3 No. I. Won't.
I'm not interested in your fantasies and I didn't watch much of "your" film. I just want to ask you about the gaping hole in the heart of your theory, which you want to brush off as nothing important. You won't say who were the conspirators or why they did what they did, you just expect a few hand-waving gestures and buzz-words to cover up your shortcomings.
MartinJWillett 9 months ago
@MartinJWillett - You still won't comment on anything in this film yet you expect to be taken seriously when you diss it. Amazing. I would seriously have expected better from you but here you are, for all to see, flunking the lot. That is SO piss-poor that it is off the scale.
And again, your inability or refusal to address anything in this film is stark and glaring. I mean this IS a comment column on the film. A film you diss while still not challenging anything in it.
PS - it's not "my" film.
Wakeymedia3 9 months ago
@Wakeymedia3 Not your film? No shit?
MartinJWillett 9 months ago
@MartinJWillett - no shit indeed.
You still, conspicuously, refuse to comment on anything in this film.
Your failure to do so gets more glaring with each comment.
You know it does.
Break the ice man, at least have some standards. People can see this y'know.
Wakeymedia3 9 months ago
@MartinJWillett . . . - . . . MartinJWillett - "This is all bullshit"
Why?
MartinJWillett - "I refuse to say"
Have you actually seen all of this film?
MartinJWillett - "No".
Yet you comment authoritatively on it?!
MartinJWillett - "Yes . . . OK I saw bits of it"
And what parts of those bits were bullshit?
MartinJWillett - "I refuse to say"
You're funny.
Wakeymedia3 9 months ago
@MartinJWillett
Good show Mr. Willett!
totaldissenter69 7 months ago
@totaldissenter69 Was it that hard a question to answer? They only like to keep asking the questions and changing the subject, they never like to be put on the spot to say who did what, when and why. A hundred questions is always better than one answer for them.
MartinJWillett 7 months ago
@MartinJWillett - Look - a man who can be made to believe that two of the most massive structures ever built can both (both - get that!) dissolve straight down in about 15 seconds. You couldn't make it up! ;-)
He can also wilfully ignore the pools (yes pools, sorry about reality) of molten steel under the rubble of all three structures (the other one took 6 seconds - wow!) after nano-thermite (a steel-cutting charge which produces . . . molten steel) is detected in the debris.
You are funny.
Wakeymedia3 7 months ago
@Wakeymedia3 It's a simple question - why did the building have to be made to collapse? What was insufficiently monstrous about flying planes full of people into buildings full of people?
MartinJWillett 7 months ago
@MartinJWillett - To stampede enough of the population into accepting war - a war that has militarily surrounded 60% of the recoverable oil on this planet in the face of Peak Oil. Seems fairly obvious. On the back of trauma like that Fascists can have a field day.
Again - you will not go anywhere near the details and content of my comment immediately above this one, the comment to which to responded, you will not address it. It's so obvious it wouldn't fool a kid in a high school physics class
Wakeymedia3 7 months ago
@Wakeymedia3 You are really believing that if the towers had stood and people kept jumping and burning that the American public would have just shrugged it off as just one of those things that happens sometimes in America and just got on with life?
No, I'm not playing your games as you are clearly a nutter.
The question was what was insufficiently monstrous about planes full of people being flown into buildings full of people? You ducked it. AGAIN.
MartinJWillett 7 months ago
@MartinJWillett - name calling and ignoring the points I made is pathetic. It's there for all to see. Your choice.
The reason why this was done was to traumatise the population to such an extent that they will swallow anything. Would that have been possible without the "collapses"? We don't know - they did "collapse" so it's a non-question really.
Now - it's you who is constantly ducking the points I made. Just try. Try to answer the points I made two of my comments above. You haven't yet. Try
Wakeymedia3 7 months ago
@Wakeymedia3 Third attempt: what was insufficiently monstrous about flying planes full of people into buildings full of people?
You need a good answer if you think that a child could see through deception and artifice (about five years later). Why would any conspiracy take such an enormous risk of detection and murder innocent people? They had to believe that crashing planes full of people into building full of people wasn't shocking enough. Why? What did this scenario lack?
MartinJWillett 7 months ago
@MartinJWillett - Martin, poor Martin, I have addressed your question. Now - address the points I made in my original comment in this phase, the comment I refer to was posted by me approx. 2 hours ago and began with the words "Look - a man who can be made to believe . . . ".
You have to do at least that to be credible - and that's in the light of you not addressing even one single point made in this documentary in this whole column yet AND having admitted that you haven't even watched it.
Wakeymedia3 7 months ago
@Wakeymedia3 You haven't addressed the point AT ALL. You have brushed it aside. It is absolutely critical to your entire conspiracy theory.
Your "documentary" is a load of bollocks knitted together with bullshit and sold with transparent manipulation techniques. I will no more allow that stuff onto my screen than I would trust my penis to a Nairobi prostitute or click on a link sent to me in spam.
MartinJWillett 7 months ago
@MartinJWillett - you asked why would this be done if a crash and resulting deaths would be sufficient and I answered. It's there in plain English for all to see. Is it mad and unnecessary for a Fascist clique to do that? Yes, ofcourse it is. But since when did Fascists do sensible things?
The clear evidence is there that the official account of these murders is simply hogwash. I have pointed out some of it and you will not even address it and you haven't even watched the film - that's pathetic
Wakeymedia3 7 months ago
@MartinJWillett Um, nothing, However by taking down the buildings a certain individual made a lot, a whole lot of money. Duh! Also, oops did you forget about this, there criminal investigation records in building 7 that, well, they don't exist anymore now do they?
randyleepublic1 1 month ago
@randyleepublic1 How does that address the point about destroying the towers and murdering the hundreds of people who could have been telling their graphic eye-witness accounts of seeing friends hold hand and jump? Before the first tower fell there was enough damage to lead to the later demolition of the towers and of a story of horror and death to justify America going to war if the leadership wanted it - wars have started over much less. Conspiracy theorists ALWAYS dodge this central issue.
MartinJWillett 1 month ago
Thanks for the information. We now know who killed those innocent people on 9/11.NOone will hoodwink us anymore.
binshehu 10 months ago
@binshehu Really? Who? And why did they have to make the buildings collapse to have anybody pay attention?
MartinJWillett 7 months ago
How could anyone not wake up after watching this documentary!? People need to be informed on the true events of 9/11. Pass this video on.Lets wake up the sheepeople!
betopeel 10 months ago
.......Bloody Bush!.................
48snowbird 11 months ago
@48snowbird - Bush was just a puppet, a figurehead. He probably has difficulty tying his own shoe laces.
Wakeymedia3 10 months ago 2
Most excellent video. It ties many things together I read about over the years. Working with Engineers and Architects for years and when this happened I thought to myself a plane can't do this. Jet fuel does not burn that hot????? Then with the Pentagon, where are the parts of the plane and why such a small hole????
The video does not mention that the flight data recorders were would in NYC. They were quickly carried away by the FBI. Firemen testified to this.
Zabik 1 year ago
DEVASTATING. And I was there. Truly. I saw the fires burning FROM THE BOTTOM -- from my rooftop in Brooklyn. "Jet fuel." You know what I say? "Bullshit." You American sheeple DESERVE everything that's happened to you if you don't exercise your right to think. I'm a proud American, and I can't wait to fucking get out of this place if it's built on lies that killed my downstairs neighbor's father, wounded all those soldiers, and bankrupted our future. Freedom is not free; THINK.
tashmoo711 1 year ago
Lot of very intelligent people investigation this. Could someone be lying!
Maybe it was Aliens from Uranus the truth is out there!
MrMrEinstein 1 year ago
Well it appears that most of us are awake here... how do we get to the dupes? Facebook, and emails... forget about the risk it will have on your business or even friends. Things will only get worse if we remain shy.
RamsesReturns 1 year ago
@RamsesReturns Lead by example.
Don't be afraid to speak your mind, but do remember that most are not ready for it. Don't blame them for it, though. If a person needs their security who are you to take it away? The only thing you can do is speak about things and trust that over time, as you continue to think for yourself, others will see you as an example worth following. Don't a be a dick about it, though. As more people catch on it'll be like a flowering meadow.
Peace and love.
bobbygnosis 9 months ago
@bobbygnosis
You know I was prepared to respond directly to you... but I read your comment again... and thought hmm... I have to think more on what approach is best. I have certainly grown short with people, so being direct has become my style, but naturally I do care a great deal about humanity. Yes people need security but have none, relying on a false sense of security is not such a good option... but anyway I will consider your advice. ~Cheers my friend!
RamsesReturns 9 months ago
That was AMAZING!
TuscaniPassion071 1 year ago
Fascism continues to be the enemy #1 of democracy.
HostileNegotiator 1 year ago 2
EXCELLENT.
worldgathering 1 year ago
in 9/11/2001 bush administration deliver the baby monster NWO after 10 years of pregnancy.
Bulldozerislamik 1 year ago
bravo, super clip, 500000000000°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°, jos
33marsupilami 1 year ago
The entire bush administration must be charged with war crimes, terrorism, murder among a host of other charges. They must all be interrogated at say Guantanamo? Or any other place the fbi takes and tortures it's victims to get information.
It works! Somebody will crack! They always do.
a2zhandi 1 year ago
@a2zhandi And the Obama administration must be right behind them should they fail to detain these satanic murderers. Left, right, they're all the same!
a2zhandi 1 year ago
@a2zhandi Let's not forget the 911 commission. They're going to Guantanamo too!
a2zhandi 1 year ago
@a2zhandi The truth is not hidden. It is in plain sight saying "I did it, I confess!" It has a track record. It has personal connections. It is written, it is seen.
Those involved are not secretive about it. They are open - they say it in front of microphones.
And yet some people... do not see.
mendelbot 1 year ago
@mendelbot yea, I know.21st century untouchables. They prove it everyday.
They laugh and make jokes at what they're capable of next.
Though it is in plain view, And masses have blinders on (modern day pacifiers) Most
don't have a clue how the tiers of society are dictated.
In the long run, they'll get it in the end.
a2zhandi 1 year ago
At 1:28:40, one of the pilot's involved in the Pentangle attack exercise the year before 9/11 was Cpt. Burlingham, the pilot of flight 77!
arisuta2 1 year ago
smoking gun:at 14:15 check it ou!!!!!! 911 was an inside job!
bob701z 1 year ago