@animeskateriddle but you asked that the bullshit was. there you have it. it's yours to decide whether you check it out our not, but you can't act as if it isn't there.
@animeskateriddle It's all crap.....but it's pretty entertaining. I mean the old Testament is a good horror story - which is why I'm terrified that people take it literally. It's like people taking "The Dark Tower" series Stephen King wrote literally. It's dangerous.
Although you have probably received many hangover cures, I have one. It is called water. No being funny, seriously, all headaches are caused by dehydration. I would get bombed but always drink like 2 or 3 or 4 huge glasses of water before i went to bed. And then like the same thing when I woke up... I would be tired, but no hangover! Dont knock it till you try it, I'd love to say "I told you so"! :D
GENIUS!!! Thanks for clarifying this for me. It FINALLY all makes sense... I want to join your religion! You could (if I may make so bold as to suggest) call it "CompletelyLovelyanity" Waddayathink?! PS: Hope the pancakes were completely tasty... PPS: May I also suggest that, rather than serving those dry wafers that stick to the roof of your mouth, it might be much more beneficial to all involved were you to serve pancakes for communion... (Just a thought). Furthermore - Syrup instead of Wine??
Where in my comment did i say that i am a satan worshipper? i never said that he was more powerful then God. Read my comment correctly instead of assuming things to yourself. The devil is the one that is responsible for all the evil in this world so stop putting the blame on God. I believe God is omnipotent he has ultimate power over anything I never said he didn't have power. The devils power is limited unlike Gods.
@lovelybyniqht So if the devil has limited power, and god has ultimate power, than god has the power to stop all evil. So then evil is god's fault. Even if the devil is causing evil, an all powerful god would always be able to stop it. God could end hell, but doesn't. I hope you re-read your two comments and note all the contradictions.
@CompletelyLovely "I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the Lord do all these things." Isaiah 45:7 God has no intent on stopping evil.... he wishes it to exist!
@CompletelyLovely I have had that argument many times. I think that if god were really all knowing, all powerful, and all loving, then he would be able to stop evil and all suffering on earth without taking away anyones freedom to choose.
@CompletelyLovely Its all down to understanding the bible to understand the reasons why God does not stop evil in the world. We all have asked the same question. I dont know how much of the bible you have read and understood. Even when we understand the bible and the reason why God does or does not do what he does we stil ask the same question. Because it difficult to comprehend those reason to justify all the evil in the world-cont-
@CompletelyLovely Admittingly I am a believer for whatever reason I have. But I do not belive in hell. To keep it short God gave free will But he wants us to understand that doing his will is better. Because if we did his will we would be truly free and live in peace. Also Satan challenged God. Between them there is a war not a battle. God could destroy Satan anytime But that would still not win the war. For all the angels in heaven including us.-cont-
@CompletelyLovely If Satan was destroyed then another angel may challenge God on the same principle as the devil. Remember One third of the angels sided with Satan So they must have agreed with him. If God destroyed Satan he will have to destroy all the other angels Just because they have a different way of seeing things. Satan has challenged Gods position and wisdom. All other angels who sided with God probably need to see the outcome to see who is right and God has been left to prove himself.
@CompletelyLovely If you were in a position of great importance and someone called you a liar and you're wrong in your workings in front of a trillion people would you not stand up to that accusation and prove you are right in your honesty principles and wisdom. From no fault of yours you have been challenged and now you have to prove you are right You are now been questioned by billions of people And every one is seeing what the outcome will be. Killing him of will not change anything.
@CompletelyLovely Satan has not only challenged God but has gone against him and he is using his creation (US) to prove his right and God is wrong and he has become angry with God and wishes to destroy his creation as a way to get revenge for been booted out of heaven because he caused a war in heaven. There's more I could say but I have said enough for now If you want to ask anything feel free to ask.
@lovelybyniqht "I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the Lord do all these things." Isaiah 45:7 Explain this. I found it whilst rummaging through a pile of trash known as "The Holy Bible"
Why do you say God is torturing human beings? You blame all the bad on God but what about the devil? The devil came to destroy and fill people with lies. God gave us free will, some people decide to do bad but he died on the cross to forgive us of our sins because we don't do the right. He can protect us and lead us in the right but we need to ask him for it. Christianity is not a religion it's the truth.
@lovelybyniqht So, since you believe satan is more powerful than god, are you a satan worshipper? Or are you just a weird Christian who thinks their god isn't omnipotent? This is confusing. If your god isn't all powerful, and isn't ultimately responsible for evil, then why would we bother calling him "god?"
@CompletelyLovely i agree, Christianity has also been confusing for many, and to the guy, christianity is a religion by the meaning of the word, also, if it is a "truth," then how is it that Jesus came to save us yet he has made things even worse by harming others beliefs and has caused the mass murder of ALOR of people, so if you say that your an atheist CL, then good for you, but i think that people are taking it way too far, i mean, is it that since im not a christian, ill go to hell? (TBC)
@CompletelyLovely continued, no, it does not mean ill go to hell, i mean, if my family was mass murdered for the need of money, i wouldnt say, "Oh, well god will save me, a lesser ppower known as satan will be punished eventually, HO ho!" but i need to ask, sinmce we are both atheists, would you be willing to help form the Super Atheist Debate Group Against ShockOfGod?
@lovelybyniqht im sorry, but, "Not a Religion."? the context of the word directly applies to Christianity and groups that worship god, so if 4you say you are "truth." why is it that so many have died by Christian hands and it was over bbelief, when your group is supposed to be peace and love filled people, yet, i have not seen skin or hide of this myth, also, tell me, how did Jesus, "Save you?" did he kill himself so others wouldnt die? what?
@lovelybyniqht No matter what the devil did, according to your doctrine, god created hell and god created the standards. He may not be doing the torturing, but he is responsible for it. Do you really think a person actually deserves to be excruciatingly tortured for eternity just because they don't believe in a book? That doesn't hurt anyone, does it?
Sometimes I have a bad day, then I come to these videos and i'm like "aww". Watching you is kind of like watching a kitten beat the shit out of a cardboard box, and I mean that as a compliment.
If there is no God then why are you trying to get people to believe you? Why would you even care? The more likely problem is that something happened in your life and your blamming God for it, you don't understand why he let it happen and the Devil feeds on that and lies to you and makes you feel like your not worthy, so your not an atheist your just pissed at God. But understand God does love you and if you truely seek him you will find him and to besides you wouldnt look good in flames! !
@basden00 the problem is these god believers tend to impose their god wishes onto the rest of the world, forcing them to live in ways they don't find necessary or valid. It goes further than that, sometimes these people are murdered for not following these god believers ways. To over come this, reality needs to be reminded to these god believers so they can realize that their god believing is nonsense and causes more problems in the world than it solves.
If she was pissed at God, then she couldn't BE an atheist. Anger directed toward something kind of necessitates belief in it. Atheists are not pissed at God because atheists do not believe in God. That is all.
Just give god 1 chance. He knows your name, what you like, what talents you have etc. He is preparing a place for those who believe. There are even mansions in heaven. Browse through my favorites ,i have some cool videos too show you.
I also want to say that I'm not perfect. I am really not that good of a christian. I'm still struggling with personal things but Jesus lived a perfect life and died so we can be saved. Heaven is where its at. He loves you, me, ad the entire world.
i hardly post to videos that are negative in nature but we have to talk. Sinner to sinner. I was a non believer too. I even threw away a couple of bibles in my house. But god revealed himself too me through a prophet who knew things about my life. It was pretty crazy. Then i started learning more about god. God doesn't want anyone to perish and go to hell. Im begging you to just consider the fact that he may exist. Just try not to mock him. I know deep down you don't mean it.
God gives us free will and we are the ones who screw up. There had to be a sacrifice for all the sin that was going on so instead of wiping out the entire population God gave His only son to be our sacrifice that we did not deserve. He has already paid for your forgiveness no matter what you have done, all you have to do is accept it. but in the end every tongue WILL confess that He is Lord.
We will never fully understand God But we can always trust Him and his plan.
Heather, please do not allow The Enemy (Satan) to take control of your heart and mind. You are much too valuable to God and His Creation (planet Earth and its people).
@lakebay972 Please read Numbers 31:9-18 and Psalm 137:9. You shall find the Truth - we are not created in the image of God but rather God was created in the image of us - violent, arrogant, sexist and jealous.
@FryderykFChopin That is absolutely false and inaccurate. These verses show nothing regarding a creation of God's image. The Numbers passage basically tells us to not deceive people into lust or idolatry. It's also anti-pedophilia if you think about it. And the Psalms passage partly summarized the war between Babylon and Jerusalem. It talks about vengeance on those who have mistreated God's people. The Old Testament was rather crudely written making it fairly easy to take it out of context.
@lakebay972 'tells us to not deceive people into lust or idolatry'. Yep, thats why we should go around committing mass genocide but we should keep for ourselves, the virgin women. 'It talks about vengeance on those who have mistreated God's people.' Such vengeance of course includes blessings upon those who dash their children against rocks.
@FryderykFChopin I would read the entire story and not just bits and pieces. Even talk to some pastors or strong spiritual leaders if it's too difficult to understand.
@FryderykFChopin It never said anything about dashing infants against rocks as being "moral." What it's saying is that if you're mad at God and you have the feeling of "smashing infants against rocks" (figuratively speaking), God is saying just let it out. He loves us so much that our deepest, darkest anger can be poured out on Him; and He will still love us.
@lakebay972 God was figuratively speaking when he talks about the talking snake, Eve from the rib of Adam, the miracles of Jesus. If you make the relevant assumptions then of course everything will be made to fit in other words, you are able to square a circle.
@1Lanavis1 The verse says how. Very similar to the classic Nike slogan, "Just Do It" (forgive). But note that an act of forgiveness is not a "get-out-of-jail-FREE" card for the offender. Forgiveness is the act that you will no longer allow the offender's wrongdoing to rule your life.
@bill51891 Sorry, but if she has clear cut evidence that proves what she says is the Truth, then I might be inclined to give her a break. Until then, I've yet to see it. There are Atheists who "talk the talk" but not "walk the walk." And the same applies to Christians as well. However, I do agree with you that she is damn cute; and yes, she does make me smile, even though what she says is accurate might not be.
You dont fool me. Your phoney bubbliness doesnt hide your personal misery. I would give you an Emmy for your acting. Your hangover is bullshit too. Either that or you drink like a girl.....your such a rebel.
@CompletelyLovely, your theology is pretty mixed and messed up. You seem to take the bible out of context, you take a doctrine of love, grace and peace and twist them into what you want. I genuinely feel sorry that you have come to this way of thinking. You've missed the love God has in the old testament. I think you feel hurt or somebody let you down, maybe your church used to be legalistic. But I think you felt hurt and missed God trying to comfort you. Btw Jesus still loves you.
@DarkBunnyLord God loves everyone and wat people dont get is tht they want God to take all the evil out of the world, but we dont think about all our evil thoughts, thosre are evil too so think bout tht next time u choose to bash Christianity, because He could take all of us out, His grace is sufficient and good :) so God bless
@Alesana215 Love is a concept we attribute and judge by actions. A loving and all powerful being would not condone and even commit acts of genocide, murder, torture, slavery, infanticide, or deceit. Your brain is running on Windows Me, pray for an upgrade.
Wow - there are quite a few Christians having a major sense of humour failure judging by the comments. I love how they say "God bless you" in the same way I'd say "fuck you and the horse you rode in on" - isn't that using the lord's name in vain?
It is breaking my heart how Pathetic you are. It really does. And this has nothing to do with christianity. I was feeling anger towards you, but now, I feel deep sorrow. You, and people like you, are empty. And it doesent matter how happy you look or sound. There is nothing in you. And I know you know what I mean. Try to understand things more.
@K0mid I like how you completely avoided providing any evidence or logical rebuttal and instead just used ad homeniem attacks to support your baseless theory. How very Christian of you. By the way, as an Atheist we can love who we wish to love, we are not commanded to condemn any person for any reason other than our own will, just sit and think about that for a while.
@Alesana215 That's cool, we totally want the blessing and forgiveness of a mass murderer that has the capability to end all pain, suffering, and hate but chooses not to.
If anyone knew anything about Theology of God and his word you would kno that yes Jesus' suicide mission as this girl so eloquently made fun of had to happen. Yes sin is real. that explains the reason why we are not perfect, we mess up and we disobey God every single day. If you knew the bible you would also know that God does love you but he is also a Just God. The wages of sin is death so there has to be death for the cleansing of sin and so Jesus died that death on a cross. Make sense?
@lcanipe2 Not it doesn't make sense. Wage of sin is death only because your God apparently made it that way, however if he made the rules and made the requirements then certainly he can change them or is he not all powerful? Your argument collapses on itself because it suggests that things happen outside of God's will whilst still claiming everything happens inside of his will.
It doesn't make sense that a being has to sacrifice himself to himself to forgive us of things he's done as well.
@lcanipe2 Not it doesn't make sense. Wage of sin is death only because your God apparently made it that way, however if he made the rules and made the requirements then certainly he can change them or is he not all powerful? Your argument collapses on itself because it suggests that things happen outside of God's will whilst still claiming everything happens inside of his will.
It doesn't make sense that a being has to sacrifice himself to himself to forgive us of things he's done as well.
I wish the Cathar perspective lived instead of being killed off by the Catholic Church. They were more like Dualistic Buddhists who believed that God was the manifestation of all evil and the being which trapped us in this materialistic realm to prevent us from seeing the light of Truth. Then Jesus came along as the manifestation of Truth, Love, Freedom etc...and taught Christians how to reach spiritual freedom, gender equality, vegetarianism, etc.. It would have been nicer than Catholicism.
If God forgives, does that mean God changed his mind, which is something the Bible says can't happen? God can forgive yet can't change his mind....Christianity is fucking stupid.
This is months late to help your hangover from last November, but for future reference, here's a sure-fire hangover cure:
Chew up 3 extra strength Excedrin and wash it down with 1/2 gallon of water.
Go back to bed for 1 more hour.
Make sure it's real aspirin (not ibuprofen). It will make you gag, but chew it up real good. You can do it! The water will wash away the taste and rehydrate you.
Trust me. I was a bartender in Hollywood and got sh*t-faced almost every night back in the day.
Now I'm just waiting for a hundred Christians to tell me I'm going to hell. Don't bother...your faith doesn't defy logic and logic can't prove God. Try me...
ur soo dumb gurl, god didnt sacrifice himself that we would forgive him, get ur facts right....... jesus died for us to show us how much he loved us and so we could be forgiven not him ( damn girl ur soo flippin dumb)
I have watched a few of these videos. They are full of fallacies and typically bad interpretation of the bible. Perhaps making a cogent argument would be useful, but i doubt that is possible. But hey...she has what seems to be a great personality and not bad to look at, so not all hope is lost.
@Kdrhod If you think there's a good interpretation of the Bible then for you, yes, all hope is lost. It's the "Rocky Horror Picture Show" of "holy" books: thoroughly shitty and without one redeeming trait, but enduringly popular with morons.
@DuhIdiot1 Oh okay......so your argument is to insult Christians and deride the Bible? You notice the qualifier i stated in the comment? "A cogent argument", which have not given.
@Kdrhod Your 2000-year-old comic book in every way appears as though it was written by very ordinary Bronze Age Middle Eastern humans and then heavily edited by people with axes to grind. Nothing about it says "divine authorship or inspiration". There's no extraordinary knowledge (and a lot of whopping errors) about the physical world or about history that hadn't yet happened, and the philosophy and ethics had been surpassed preemptively. Parsimony says it's just another mythology.
@DuhIdiot1 Okay? But why do you believe the statement you made? I can make many judgements but defending those judgements is another thing. I see no "whopping errors" about the physical world or history. It is extraordinary as it best explains my purpose and my future.
@Kdrhod No whopping errors? So the versions I've read with the six-day creation of everything badly out of correct order, talking animals and shrubbery, the sun "stopping" in the sky, a worldwide flood, the Hebrews enslaved in Egypt, and a sorcerer-preacher being executed to the accompaniment of natural disasters and a zombie apocalypse only to zombie right back himself in a couple of days were, what? Really, really badly translated?
@Kdrhod It is perfectly logical to believe that we don't know when we in fact don't know. And we don't know how the universe got started.
After it had got started, yes, it is entirely reasonable to believe that purely natural processes got us from a roiling cauldron of energy to the cosmos of today. We know for a fact that every necessary step does in fact occur in the real world.
@DuhIdiot1 Your only problem is "after it it got started." How did it begin? This "rolling cauldron of energy", what is that and who said there ever was such a thing? If i am not mistaken after would infer a before, those are temporal words and have no value. There was no before the universe began to exist."We know for a fact that every necessary step does in fact occur in the real world." To what are you refering?
@Kdrhod And the "purpose and future" business makes it extraordinary not in the slightest. Most of the people who have lived since the advent of language have had some set of stories that have served those purposes for them. The vast majority of those people have gotten their warm and fuzzy "I matter" fix from tales other than the ones you hew to. And pretty much all of them, likely including you, have clung to their particular beliefs based merely on where they were born.
@Kdrhod If disparate groups of people investigate questions that have real, true answers using fruitful methods, then those groups' answers will converge toward the truth.
Religions' answers diverge.
Religions are therefore investigating questions without real, true answers or are investigating them using fruitless methods.
Ye shall know "ways of knowing" by their fruits. But the produce of faith is nuts.
Genesis 1: 1In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth. 2And the earth was without form, and void;
The popular explanation is a "big bang." Certainly the two have a single beginning point. When did it begin; i do not know and neither does anyone else.
"When and how did life begin?
Again, back to Genesis. God created life and the conditions to support that life.
@Kdrhod Cool story, bro. Any reason in the world why I should believe any of it?
The "big bang" is *a* popular explanation. It's popular with people who have noticed that science is by far the most successful truth hunt man has ever undertaken.
And no, your assumption that an otherwise error-riddled book written by primitives happens to be right about how life began does not make the question of man's origins redundant, unless you believe we've been around as long as life. We haven't.
Well if you want to believe it is a story then that is your business. I see no reason nor have you made a case against the Genesis account i supplied. You did however charge the bible was error which you have not proven. I think we could move to the cosmological argument that says whatever begins to exist must have a cause. The universe began to exist therefore it has a cause. My position is that cause is God.
The question was redundant. "When and how did life begin?"
@Kdrhod Neither premise of your cosmological argument is known to be true, and the argument thus has zero force. And if it did, "that cause is God" is a wildly unjustified leap.
@DuhIdiot1 So you disagree that whatever begins to exist must have a cause? You also disagree that the universe began and it must have had a cause? Neither of those premises are true? That is an interesting point of view.
@DuhIdiot1 Well i certainly believe that the Universe began to exist. It is expanding so it must have began to exist. If it did not begin to exist then it is infinite right? That means there has been an infinite number of events which basically is a little, or maybe a lot hard to believe.
@Kdrhod That doesn't follow. It's expanding, so it must have begun to *expand*. It could have existed in eventless stasis for an eternity and then begun to expand without a cause. Or it could have begun to exist, but only as a phenomenon within some greater cosmos, caused by entirely mindless and unsupernatural events within that cosmos.
And of course "a lot hard to believe" is not an argument.
@DuhIdiot1 "It could have existed in eventless stasis for an eternity and then begun to expand without a cause."
I do not agree with that but anyway Are refering to the universe or your idea that a "roiling cauldron of energy"
was is "eventless stasis?" If in an "eventless stasis" then to me that would constitute in equalibrium. Now given thermodynamics wouldn't some outside force have to have acted on the matter or energy to bring it out of stasis?
@Kdrhod We're clearly rehashing discussions we've both had before, here. Why not cut to the chase?
You know that there are no sound logical arguments for theism and that all the purported empirical evidence you can adduce has naturalistic explanations more parsimonious than your mystical ones.
The question is, why should I go ahead and choose your mystical ideas in spite of all that? Hit me.
@DuhIdiot1 "You know that there are no sound logical arguments for theism"
Well if you are talking about logical argument then the tealeological argument and even the moral argument. Can i empirically verify Gods existence..of course not. Can you empirically verify the abscense of his existence, of course you cannot. Can you prove empirically without a doubt that the universe came into being uncaused, absolutely not. Can you prove we evolved from single cell into our current form, of course not
@Kdrhod Ouch, teleological and moral? Really? Why skip over the ones that at least sound initially respectable and go immediately for the Shemps on the roster of apologetical Stooges?
If we cannot establish "God exists" nor "God does not exist", the only honest position is to assent to neither, i.e. to be an agnostic atheist.
And while cosmogenesis may--may--remain forever beyond our investigation, biogenesis falls comfortably within the remit of science.
@Kdrhod It's a self-contradictory collection of tales about cosmic wizards, spells, curses, talking animals, prophecies, and magician-priests whose crucifixions cause earthquakes, eclipses, and zombie uprisings yet don't cause anybody around at the time to make a single note in their diaries or anything. None of these things appear to be part of the world of fact, so until there's really good reason to suppose otherwise, by default they are assumed to be fiction.
@DuhIdiot1 Would you agree that the bible contains true historical events? Do you believe a person named Jesus of Nazareth existed and that he was executed by the Romans?
@Kdrhod Of course the Bible contains some true history. Almost any work of fiction whose setting is on Earth during human history will. It helps the believability of the story, plus it's easier than trying to make up every detail of your fictional world.
@Kdrhod Yeah, so I frequently hear. What I don't hear is who exactly these scholars are and, much more importantly, what reasons they have for admitting such things.
The purpose of life is to glorify God and enjoy him forever. God is the fulfillment of human existence. It is in fellowship eternally with God who is the source of infinite goodness and love that true fulfillment and freedom is found.
What are the right ways to act toward one another?
I think the Bible teaches how to act toward humanity.
@Kdrhod Glorify, enjoy, and fellowship with a being who (1) is unavoidably at fault for all the suffering of every conscious life form ever on Earth and (2) believes that (because of his bungling creation, mind you) every single human being ever born is such scum that we deserve eternal torture, exemption from which can only come as a favor done by him to us?
So our purpose is to get raped forever and learn to like it--to say "Yes! Fuck me harder!", in fact?
I mean, it doesn't teach any morals that aren't either (1) patently obvious and a part of every other moral code ever cooked up or (2) superfluous or else badly wrong.
And a lot of the book's fans seem to have the crazy idea that a god's opinions are either necessary or sufficient to establish right and wrong.
"(1) patently obvious and a part of every other moral code ever cooked up"
Yeah...Gods general revelation of right and wrong. Belief in God does not equal moral, but Gods very existence is why there is objective right and wrong.
@Kdrhod OK, given two explanations of ubiquitous moral precepts:
(1) All humans have the same basic needs, face the same basic challenges, and will get the same basic returns on their well-being from many actions. They all quickly notice this and wind up prescribing and proscribing many of the same things.
(2) Magic sky-genie did it.
Why the hell would I eschew the explanation using nothing but known factors acting in known ways and go for the one whose principal agent is nowhere in evidence?
@DuhIdiot1 "They all quickly notice this and wind up prescribing and proscribing many of the same things."
Are you saying there is an objective right and wrong in humanity? Indeed humanity has the general revelation given all human beings regardless of culture. But some certainly ignore that revelation of right and wrong. I think a better question would be where do these idea you have of "well being" come from?
@DuhIdiot1 If God does not exist and humanity is the product of a blind evolution then why any right or wrong?
Your statement about "basic” needs and challenges seem to point to pragmatism as the path to right and wrong. Pragmatism is not always correct is it and how would we know or why should we care about right and wrong?
@Kdrhod There's right and wrong because some actions make life suck more and some make it suck less, and we care because we are social animals capable of suffering and empathy. Are those supposed to be tough questions or something?
@Kdrhod And again, I would ask why I should believe any of it, apart from wishful thinking to make myself feel better.
I would also ask how the hell the set of answers the Bible gives--a nihilistic horror story beyond anything out of Hollywood--could ever make anybody feel better to start with, but hey, that's just me not being a psychopath.
Are you kidding. How does God make us sin? We do it on our own. We he created us he gave us free will. To make our own decisions. Because he doesn't want to force us. It's like the way you choose to deny him everyday. Your really horrible. Like READ A BIBLE. Stop acting like you know your facts. Read intently from the bible. I want to just argue everything you've just said....... THIS coming from you. The chick who got herself drunk the her day.
@WhoAmIReallyJC um she has read the bible. so have i. i know many priests, preachers, and reverends who have gotten very drunk at christmas parties my mother has thrown.
@WhoAmIReallyJC Killing is a Terrible Sin. Yet God is a KILLER too (GOD"allegedly" FLOODED all the Earth: DROWNING BABIES+women, use your imagination!) God has killed a lot more than Stalin, Hitler and Osama--all combined.
Luke 19: 27 : Jesus instructs some followers TO KILL those who reject HIM AS THEIR kING.
@WhoAmIReallyJC "Free will" exonerates your sky daddy exactly none.
Free choices are still caused choices. If an action or an impulse is not caused by your nature and character, it's not a choice, it's a morally neutral accident.
Either Adam & Eve ate the fruit because they had sinful natures that God was wrong to give them, or their actions weren't caused by their natures and God was wrong to punish them.
The exact same logic applies to Satan's rebellion, btw.
@pastordavidcoram Did you make it up yourself or did you take a predefined text? And can you give me the text or an audio snippet?
Because i d be really interested in wether christians actually pray for someone when thesy say they will or whether its just something they say.
And what does it mean anyway? Do you tink she is more in need of a prayer than you? Are you better than her? Then why dont you instead pray for yourself?
@everywallwillfall christianity was deeply ingrained into church history, mostly because christians killed and persecuted those that didn't follow their beliefs.
like any christian missionaries, the american ones waged war on the indigenous indians, because the christians just didn't pause to find out, as usual.
good war planning suddenly means supernatural powers?
sigh, ok until 2012, or 2014 or whatever it is, I hope you have fun!
@everywallwillfall so that's supposed to be literal? can't you see how far you're stretching to try to apply that to be true of now?
considering that england and america are both strongly christian countries, is it any surprise that they want to help 'fulfil' bible prophecy? and if they 'help' fulfil a prophecy then its not a prophecy, but rather a command.
Israel is a nation because England and America read their bibles and WANT it to be true. can't you see that interference??
@everywallwillfall you've fallen prey to vague quotes and your naive speculations (confirmation bias, but I strongly doubt that you actually familiarised yourself with the concept). I don't mean to say that in a scathing sort of way, but thats my honesty. You're so caught up in saving yourself and having a good time in the future, that you've blinded yourself to your doubts. If you want to prove that christianity and your god is realistic, then the least you can do is listen to what people say.
Good point--why would we worship a God that tortures people forever (which qualifies as "crimes against humanity") If Hell is real, and was created by God for "torturing us" He Needs our Forgiveness.
@everywallwillfall christianity has been scoffed since the movement begun. christians throughout the centuries since that was written have thought that their days were 'the last days', and they weren't! (unless 'the last days' means any time after that passage was written, not a specific abrupt ending)
please take a moment to familiarise with what 'confirmation bias' means, it is basically the reason why you in your current mindset will never understand non-christians.
@Dynamic0381 NAR had to replay ............... LOL WELL IM STILL GET THE GRADES I WANT AND IM GONNA KEEP WRITIN LIKE THIS SO........ IF U THINK MY GRAMMAR IS BAD..... THATS JUST FINE :) DONT NO Y IM GETTIN ANGRY LOL !!!!!!!!!!!!!!! HAVE A NICE DAY B !!!!!!!!!!! LMAO ROTF LOL
What was his "bullshit" again?
animeskateriddle 2 months ago
@animeskateriddle you should check out the holy scriptures dude, starting from genesis 1 to revelation 22.
Spyderschwinky 2 months ago
@Spyderschwinky nah, fuck the bible its just a really long story book with good quotes people like to use
animeskateriddle 1 month ago
@animeskateriddle but you asked that the bullshit was. there you have it. it's yours to decide whether you check it out our not, but you can't act as if it isn't there.
Spyderschwinky 1 month ago
@animeskateriddle It's all crap.....but it's pretty entertaining. I mean the old Testament is a good horror story - which is why I'm terrified that people take it literally. It's like people taking "The Dark Tower" series Stephen King wrote literally. It's dangerous.
MajickDemoniack 2 days ago
In the beginning , God created the heavens and the earth, and saw that it was good....
TheRoadkillbaby 2 months ago
Although you have probably received many hangover cures, I have one. It is called water. No being funny, seriously, all headaches are caused by dehydration. I would get bombed but always drink like 2 or 3 or 4 huge glasses of water before i went to bed. And then like the same thing when I woke up... I would be tired, but no hangover! Dont knock it till you try it, I'd love to say "I told you so"! :D
johnone17 2 months ago
GENIUS!!! Thanks for clarifying this for me. It FINALLY all makes sense... I want to join your religion! You could (if I may make so bold as to suggest) call it "CompletelyLovelyanity" Waddayathink?! PS: Hope the pancakes were completely tasty... PPS: May I also suggest that, rather than serving those dry wafers that stick to the roof of your mouth, it might be much more beneficial to all involved were you to serve pancakes for communion... (Just a thought). Furthermore - Syrup instead of Wine??
brooklyncomposer 2 months ago
Who did you drink with? and what?
birhan2006 2 months ago
2 advil 1 xzanex and 2 table spones of pepto bsimol and 1 can of ginger ale
tomyhill123 2 months ago
Where in my comment did i say that i am a satan worshipper? i never said that he was more powerful then God. Read my comment correctly instead of assuming things to yourself. The devil is the one that is responsible for all the evil in this world so stop putting the blame on God. I believe God is omnipotent he has ultimate power over anything I never said he didn't have power. The devils power is limited unlike Gods.
lovelybyniqht 2 months ago
@lovelybyniqht So if the devil has limited power, and god has ultimate power, than god has the power to stop all evil. So then evil is god's fault. Even if the devil is causing evil, an all powerful god would always be able to stop it. God could end hell, but doesn't. I hope you re-read your two comments and note all the contradictions.
CompletelyLovely 2 months ago 5
@CompletelyLovely Eeek! I used the wrong than/then. 40 grammar lashes for me.
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tofush0e 2 months ago
@CompletelyLovely "He is either incapable of ending evil or does not want to; he is therefore either incompetent or evil"
the idea of a divine plan, which undermines free will, pretty much implies that even the devil is god's work. it's all convoluted bullshit
tofush0e 2 months ago
@CompletelyLovely "I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the Lord do all these things." Isaiah 45:7 God has no intent on stopping evil.... he wishes it to exist!
CtheWolfe 2 months ago
@CompletelyLovely I have had that argument many times. I think that if god were really all knowing, all powerful, and all loving, then he would be able to stop evil and all suffering on earth without taking away anyones freedom to choose.
beadheadbrassie 2 months ago
@CompletelyLovely Its all down to understanding the bible to understand the reasons why God does not stop evil in the world. We all have asked the same question. I dont know how much of the bible you have read and understood. Even when we understand the bible and the reason why God does or does not do what he does we stil ask the same question. Because it difficult to comprehend those reason to justify all the evil in the world-cont-
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@CompletelyLovely Admittingly I am a believer for whatever reason I have. But I do not belive in hell. To keep it short God gave free will But he wants us to understand that doing his will is better. Because if we did his will we would be truly free and live in peace. Also Satan challenged God. Between them there is a war not a battle. God could destroy Satan anytime But that would still not win the war. For all the angels in heaven including us.-cont-
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@CompletelyLovely If Satan was destroyed then another angel may challenge God on the same principle as the devil. Remember One third of the angels sided with Satan So they must have agreed with him. If God destroyed Satan he will have to destroy all the other angels Just because they have a different way of seeing things. Satan has challenged Gods position and wisdom. All other angels who sided with God probably need to see the outcome to see who is right and God has been left to prove himself.
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@CompletelyLovely If you were in a position of great importance and someone called you a liar and you're wrong in your workings in front of a trillion people would you not stand up to that accusation and prove you are right in your honesty principles and wisdom. From no fault of yours you have been challenged and now you have to prove you are right You are now been questioned by billions of people And every one is seeing what the outcome will be. Killing him of will not change anything.
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@CompletelyLovely Satan has not only challenged God but has gone against him and he is using his creation (US) to prove his right and God is wrong and he has become angry with God and wishes to destroy his creation as a way to get revenge for been booted out of heaven because he caused a war in heaven. There's more I could say but I have said enough for now If you want to ask anything feel free to ask.
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@CompletelyLovely
If he did all the work for us of just making the world a better place, than how would we benefit from having everything handed to us?
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@lovelybyniqht "I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the Lord do all these things." Isaiah 45:7 Explain this. I found it whilst rummaging through a pile of trash known as "The Holy Bible"
CtheWolfe 2 months ago
I'm holding out for a personal, heartfelt apology. And pancakes... lots and lots of pancakes. Oh, and a bottle of hot maple syrup. :-P
HansKJones 2 months ago
i think you have nailed it!
jjjohn 2 months ago
Being deified does tend to make you "stuck up".
TheIAMINU 2 months ago
Why do you say God is torturing human beings? You blame all the bad on God but what about the devil? The devil came to destroy and fill people with lies. God gave us free will, some people decide to do bad but he died on the cross to forgive us of our sins because we don't do the right. He can protect us and lead us in the right but we need to ask him for it. Christianity is not a religion it's the truth.
lovelybyniqht 2 months ago
@lovelybyniqht So, since you believe satan is more powerful than god, are you a satan worshipper? Or are you just a weird Christian who thinks their god isn't omnipotent? This is confusing. If your god isn't all powerful, and isn't ultimately responsible for evil, then why would we bother calling him "god?"
CompletelyLovely 2 months ago 6
@CompletelyLovely i agree, Christianity has also been confusing for many, and to the guy, christianity is a religion by the meaning of the word, also, if it is a "truth," then how is it that Jesus came to save us yet he has made things even worse by harming others beliefs and has caused the mass murder of ALOR of people, so if you say that your an atheist CL, then good for you, but i think that people are taking it way too far, i mean, is it that since im not a christian, ill go to hell? (TBC)
Jimmyboy679 2 months ago
@CompletelyLovely continued, no, it does not mean ill go to hell, i mean, if my family was mass murdered for the need of money, i wouldnt say, "Oh, well god will save me, a lesser ppower known as satan will be punished eventually, HO ho!" but i need to ask, sinmce we are both atheists, would you be willing to help form the Super Atheist Debate Group Against ShockOfGod?
Jimmyboy679 2 months ago
@lovelybyniqht im sorry, but, "Not a Religion."? the context of the word directly applies to Christianity and groups that worship god, so if 4you say you are "truth." why is it that so many have died by Christian hands and it was over bbelief, when your group is supposed to be peace and love filled people, yet, i have not seen skin or hide of this myth, also, tell me, how did Jesus, "Save you?" did he kill himself so others wouldnt die? what?
Jimmyboy679 2 months ago
@lovelybyniqht No matter what the devil did, according to your doctrine, god created hell and god created the standards. He may not be doing the torturing, but he is responsible for it. Do you really think a person actually deserves to be excruciatingly tortured for eternity just because they don't believe in a book? That doesn't hurt anyone, does it?
PirateMonkeyFilmz 2 months ago
@lovelybyniqht christianity is too much work.
THESTORYSOGOLD 1 month ago
@lovelybyniqht
Free Will ? If you don't worship him as your savior, he'll condemn you to hell for all eternity. That is hardly free will.
sinnieleeonUtube 1 month ago
Sometimes I have a bad day, then I come to these videos and i'm like "aww". Watching you is kind of like watching a kitten beat the shit out of a cardboard box, and I mean that as a compliment.
TheKenTerry 2 months ago
that's NOT what following Christ is about.
NoaahsArk 3 months ago
If there is no God then why are you trying to get people to believe you? Why would you even care? The more likely problem is that something happened in your life and your blamming God for it, you don't understand why he let it happen and the Devil feeds on that and lies to you and makes you feel like your not worthy, so your not an atheist your just pissed at God. But understand God does love you and if you truely seek him you will find him and to besides you wouldnt look good in flames! !
basden00 3 months ago
@basden00 preach it!
izzyvulaca 3 months ago
@basden00 the problem is these god believers tend to impose their god wishes onto the rest of the world, forcing them to live in ways they don't find necessary or valid. It goes further than that, sometimes these people are murdered for not following these god believers ways. To over come this, reality needs to be reminded to these god believers so they can realize that their god believing is nonsense and causes more problems in the world than it solves.
Relativisticism 2 months ago
@basden00
If she was pissed at God, then she couldn't BE an atheist. Anger directed toward something kind of necessitates belief in it. Atheists are not pissed at God because atheists do not believe in God. That is all.
resurgam44 2 months ago
Best religion ever:-
UNITARIAN
SpoonsAtMidnight 3 months ago
Hahaha!
drstrangelove09 3 months ago
Just give god 1 chance. He knows your name, what you like, what talents you have etc. He is preparing a place for those who believe. There are even mansions in heaven. Browse through my favorites ,i have some cool videos too show you.
I also want to say that I'm not perfect. I am really not that good of a christian. I'm still struggling with personal things but Jesus lived a perfect life and died so we can be saved. Heaven is where its at. He loves you, me, ad the entire world.
AaronTrutsJC 3 months ago
i hardly post to videos that are negative in nature but we have to talk. Sinner to sinner. I was a non believer too. I even threw away a couple of bibles in my house. But god revealed himself too me through a prophet who knew things about my life. It was pretty crazy. Then i started learning more about god. God doesn't want anyone to perish and go to hell. Im begging you to just consider the fact that he may exist. Just try not to mock him. I know deep down you don't mean it.
AaronTrutsJC 3 months ago
This is really really sad!
God gives us free will and we are the ones who screw up. There had to be a sacrifice for all the sin that was going on so instead of wiping out the entire population God gave His only son to be our sacrifice that we did not deserve. He has already paid for your forgiveness no matter what you have done, all you have to do is accept it. but in the end every tongue WILL confess that He is Lord.
We will never fully understand God But we can always trust Him and his plan.
pieski7 4 months ago 2
Heather, please do not allow The Enemy (Satan) to take control of your heart and mind. You are much too valuable to God and His Creation (planet Earth and its people).
1 Peter 5:8
John 10:10
Romans 8:1
lakebay972 4 months ago
LOOK give Heather a freakin break!, not only is everything she says is the truth and you know it! but she is so damm cute she just makes me smile..
bill51891 4 months ago
@bill51891 Please read (Ephesians 4:15) and (Proverbs 31:30) in that order and you shall find the Truth.
lakebay972 4 months ago
@lakebay972 Please read Numbers 31:9-18 and Psalm 137:9. You shall find the Truth - we are not created in the image of God but rather God was created in the image of us - violent, arrogant, sexist and jealous.
FryderykFChopin 4 months ago
@FryderykFChopin That is absolutely false and inaccurate. These verses show nothing regarding a creation of God's image. The Numbers passage basically tells us to not deceive people into lust or idolatry. It's also anti-pedophilia if you think about it. And the Psalms passage partly summarized the war between Babylon and Jerusalem. It talks about vengeance on those who have mistreated God's people. The Old Testament was rather crudely written making it fairly easy to take it out of context.
lakebay972 4 months ago
@lakebay972 'tells us to not deceive people into lust or idolatry'. Yep, thats why we should go around committing mass genocide but we should keep for ourselves, the virgin women. 'It talks about vengeance on those who have mistreated God's people.' Such vengeance of course includes blessings upon those who dash their children against rocks.
FryderykFChopin 4 months ago
@FryderykFChopin I would read the entire story and not just bits and pieces. Even talk to some pastors or strong spiritual leaders if it's too difficult to understand.
lakebay972 4 months ago
@lakebay972 I urge to just listen to yourself. In what context is the injunction to dash infants against rocks moral?
FryderykFChopin 4 months ago
@FryderykFChopin It never said anything about dashing infants against rocks as being "moral." What it's saying is that if you're mad at God and you have the feeling of "smashing infants against rocks" (figuratively speaking), God is saying just let it out. He loves us so much that our deepest, darkest anger can be poured out on Him; and He will still love us.
lakebay972 4 months ago
@lakebay972 God was figuratively speaking when he talks about the talking snake, Eve from the rib of Adam, the miracles of Jesus. If you make the relevant assumptions then of course everything will be made to fit in other words, you are able to square a circle.
FryderykFChopin 4 months ago
@lakebay972 So God's okay with it as long as you eventually get over it? That's pretty messed up?
1Lanavis1 4 months ago
@1Lanavis1 "?" typed on accident.
1Lanavis1 4 months ago
@1Lanavis1 God's OK with it as long as you repent for your sins. (Acts 3:19)
lakebay972 4 months ago
@lakebay972 Repent how? Does the verse say how or does it just talk about asking for forgiveness?
1Lanavis1 3 months ago
@1Lanavis1 The verse says how. Very similar to the classic Nike slogan, "Just Do It" (forgive). But note that an act of forgiveness is not a "get-out-of-jail-FREE" card for the offender. Forgiveness is the act that you will no longer allow the offender's wrongdoing to rule your life.
lakebay972 3 months ago
@bill51891 Sorry, but if she has clear cut evidence that proves what she says is the Truth, then I might be inclined to give her a break. Until then, I've yet to see it. There are Atheists who "talk the talk" but not "walk the walk." And the same applies to Christians as well. However, I do agree with you that she is damn cute; and yes, she does make me smile, even though what she says is accurate might not be.
lakebay972 4 months ago
You dont fool me. Your phoney bubbliness doesnt hide your personal misery. I would give you an Emmy for your acting. Your hangover is bullshit too. Either that or you drink like a girl.....your such a rebel.
bethaddjkp 4 months ago
@CompletelyLovely, your theology is pretty mixed and messed up. You seem to take the bible out of context, you take a doctrine of love, grace and peace and twist them into what you want. I genuinely feel sorry that you have come to this way of thinking. You've missed the love God has in the old testament. I think you feel hurt or somebody let you down, maybe your church used to be legalistic. But I think you felt hurt and missed God trying to comfort you. Btw Jesus still loves you.
SDWLLB 4 months ago
@SDWLLB I couldn't agree any more.
lakebay972 4 months ago
@DarkBunnyLord God loves everyone and wat people dont get is tht they want God to take all the evil out of the world, but we dont think about all our evil thoughts, thosre are evil too so think bout tht next time u choose to bash Christianity, because He could take all of us out, His grace is sufficient and good :) so God bless
Alesana215 5 months ago
@Alesana215 Love is a concept we attribute and judge by actions. A loving and all powerful being would not condone and even commit acts of genocide, murder, torture, slavery, infanticide, or deceit. Your brain is running on Windows Me, pray for an upgrade.
ThePowerfulPanda 5 months ago 2
@ThePowerfulPanda No, it's more like Windows 3.0
lakebay972 4 months ago
I pity u sister~
ChrisRain91 5 months ago
god loves all, except gays, jews, atheists and other religions...
Kruxunge 5 months ago
ur sooo annoying...
girlinthegreenscarf3 5 months ago
Wow - there are quite a few Christians having a major sense of humour failure judging by the comments. I love how they say "God bless you" in the same way I'd say "fuck you and the horse you rode in on" - isn't that using the lord's name in vain?
ralph17p 6 months ago
It is breaking my heart how Pathetic you are. It really does. And this has nothing to do with christianity. I was feeling anger towards you, but now, I feel deep sorrow. You, and people like you, are empty. And it doesent matter how happy you look or sound. There is nothing in you. And I know you know what I mean. Try to understand things more.
K0mid 6 months ago
@K0mid I like how you completely avoided providing any evidence or logical rebuttal and instead just used ad homeniem attacks to support your baseless theory. How very Christian of you. By the way, as an Atheist we can love who we wish to love, we are not commanded to condemn any person for any reason other than our own will, just sit and think about that for a while.
DarkBunnyLord 5 months ago
I really think u have alllllllllllllll of this completely wrong and I would just like to say tht well God bless you :)
Alesana215 6 months ago
@Alesana215 That's cool, we totally want the blessing and forgiveness of a mass murderer that has the capability to end all pain, suffering, and hate but chooses not to.
DarkBunnyLord 5 months ago
If anyone knew anything about Theology of God and his word you would kno that yes Jesus' suicide mission as this girl so eloquently made fun of had to happen. Yes sin is real. that explains the reason why we are not perfect, we mess up and we disobey God every single day. If you knew the bible you would also know that God does love you but he is also a Just God. The wages of sin is death so there has to be death for the cleansing of sin and so Jesus died that death on a cross. Make sense?
lcanipe2 7 months ago
@lcanipe2 God loves you.
But he sends you to hell. LMAO! Your delusional.
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@MW2Addiction Did that last sentence not make sense? Do you know what a wage is?
lcanipe2 5 months ago
@lcanipe2 Not it doesn't make sense. Wage of sin is death only because your God apparently made it that way, however if he made the rules and made the requirements then certainly he can change them or is he not all powerful? Your argument collapses on itself because it suggests that things happen outside of God's will whilst still claiming everything happens inside of his will.
It doesn't make sense that a being has to sacrifice himself to himself to forgive us of things he's done as well.
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@lcanipe2 Not it doesn't make sense. Wage of sin is death only because your God apparently made it that way, however if he made the rules and made the requirements then certainly he can change them or is he not all powerful? Your argument collapses on itself because it suggests that things happen outside of God's will whilst still claiming everything happens inside of his will.
It doesn't make sense that a being has to sacrifice himself to himself to forgive us of things he's done as well.
DarkBunnyLord 5 months ago
I wish the Cathar perspective lived instead of being killed off by the Catholic Church. They were more like Dualistic Buddhists who believed that God was the manifestation of all evil and the being which trapped us in this materialistic realm to prevent us from seeing the light of Truth. Then Jesus came along as the manifestation of Truth, Love, Freedom etc...and taught Christians how to reach spiritual freedom, gender equality, vegetarianism, etc.. It would have been nicer than Catholicism.
HojoOSanagi 7 months ago
If God forgives, does that mean God changed his mind, which is something the Bible says can't happen? God can forgive yet can't change his mind....Christianity is fucking stupid.
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youneekk 7 months ago
This is months late to help your hangover from last November, but for future reference, here's a sure-fire hangover cure:
Chew up 3 extra strength Excedrin and wash it down with 1/2 gallon of water.
Go back to bed for 1 more hour.
Make sure it's real aspirin (not ibuprofen). It will make you gag, but chew it up real good. You can do it! The water will wash away the taste and rehydrate you.
Trust me. I was a bartender in Hollywood and got sh*t-faced almost every night back in the day.
Qillz 7 months ago
God bitch slapped by Heather!!!!!!!!! Boooyaaaaa
jarax44 7 months ago
Jesus the walking dead zombie will get you you heathen, LOL.
Stop making fun of the off the charts ridicules story of god and his.............well ok son who was really god himself.
Jesus die for your sins.............sins that god knew you would commit before he created you, but sins none the less.
metalsusa1 7 months ago
Now I'm just waiting for a hundred Christians to tell me I'm going to hell. Don't bother...your faith doesn't defy logic and logic can't prove God. Try me...
DaShadowK1ng 8 months ago
Hahahahaha. This is hilarious.
DaShadowK1ng 8 months ago
ur soo dumb gurl, god didnt sacrifice himself that we would forgive him, get ur facts right....... jesus died for us to show us how much he loved us and so we could be forgiven not him ( damn girl ur soo flippin dumb)
tonyx012 8 months ago
I have watched a few of these videos. They are full of fallacies and typically bad interpretation of the bible. Perhaps making a cogent argument would be useful, but i doubt that is possible. But hey...she has what seems to be a great personality and not bad to look at, so not all hope is lost.
Kdrhod 9 months ago
@Kdrhod If you think there's a good interpretation of the Bible then for you, yes, all hope is lost. It's the "Rocky Horror Picture Show" of "holy" books: thoroughly shitty and without one redeeming trait, but enduringly popular with morons.
DuhIdiot1 8 months ago
@DuhIdiot1 Oh okay......so your argument is to insult Christians and deride the Bible? You notice the qualifier i stated in the comment? "A cogent argument", which have not given.
Kdrhod 8 months ago
@Kdrhod Your 2000-year-old comic book in every way appears as though it was written by very ordinary Bronze Age Middle Eastern humans and then heavily edited by people with axes to grind. Nothing about it says "divine authorship or inspiration". There's no extraordinary knowledge (and a lot of whopping errors) about the physical world or about history that hadn't yet happened, and the philosophy and ethics had been surpassed preemptively. Parsimony says it's just another mythology.
DuhIdiot1 8 months ago
@DuhIdiot1 Okay? But why do you believe the statement you made? I can make many judgements but defending those judgements is another thing. I see no "whopping errors" about the physical world or history. It is extraordinary as it best explains my purpose and my future.
Kdrhod 8 months ago
@Kdrhod No whopping errors? So the versions I've read with the six-day creation of everything badly out of correct order, talking animals and shrubbery, the sun "stopping" in the sky, a worldwide flood, the Hebrews enslaved in Egypt, and a sorcerer-preacher being executed to the accompaniment of natural disasters and a zombie apocalypse only to zombie right back himself in a couple of days were, what? Really, really badly translated?
DuhIdiot1 8 months ago
@DuhIdiot1 So it is perfectly logical to believe that time+chance+matter= everything? All this ex- nihilo by the way.
Kdrhod 8 months ago
@Kdrhod It is perfectly logical to believe that we don't know when we in fact don't know. And we don't know how the universe got started.
After it had got started, yes, it is entirely reasonable to believe that purely natural processes got us from a roiling cauldron of energy to the cosmos of today. We know for a fact that every necessary step does in fact occur in the real world.
DuhIdiot1 8 months ago
@DuhIdiot1 Your only problem is "after it it got started." How did it begin? This "rolling cauldron of energy", what is that and who said there ever was such a thing? If i am not mistaken after would infer a before, those are temporal words and have no value. There was no before the universe began to exist."We know for a fact that every necessary step does in fact occur in the real world." To what are you refering?
Kdrhod 8 months ago
@DuhIdiot1 Why don't you pick one specific problem you have and we can certainly discuss it.
Kdrhod 8 months ago
@Kdrhod And the "purpose and future" business makes it extraordinary not in the slightest. Most of the people who have lived since the advent of language have had some set of stories that have served those purposes for them. The vast majority of those people have gotten their warm and fuzzy "I matter" fix from tales other than the ones you hew to. And pretty much all of them, likely including you, have clung to their particular beliefs based merely on where they were born.
DuhIdiot1 8 months ago
@DuhIdiot1 "And pretty much all of them, likely including you, have clung to their particular beliefs based merely on where they were born."
Explaining how a idea came to be does nothing to refute the belief or determine its validity. In fact... it is logical fallacy.
Kdrhod 8 months ago
@Kdrhod If disparate groups of people investigate questions that have real, true answers using fruitful methods, then those groups' answers will converge toward the truth.
Religions' answers diverge.
Religions are therefore investigating questions without real, true answers or are investigating them using fruitless methods.
Ye shall know "ways of knowing" by their fruits. But the produce of faith is nuts.
DuhIdiot1 8 months ago
@DuhIdiot1 not real sure what "questions" you are talking about? Specifics would be a better.
Kdrhod 8 months ago
@Kdrhod The standard shit.
• When and how did the universe begin?
• When and how did life begin?
• When and how did man begin?
• Do we have a purpose and what is it?
• What are the right ways to act toward one another?
• Are there supernatural entities? Who/what are they and what are they like?
• Is death the end and if not what comes after?
DuhIdiot1 8 months ago
@DuhIdiot1
"When and how did the universe begin?"
Genesis 1: 1In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth. 2And the earth was without form, and void;
The popular explanation is a "big bang." Certainly the two have a single beginning point. When did it begin; i do not know and neither does anyone else.
"When and how did life begin?
Again, back to Genesis. God created life and the conditions to support that life.
When and how did man begin?
redundant.
Kdrhod 8 months ago
@Kdrhod Cool story, bro. Any reason in the world why I should believe any of it?
The "big bang" is *a* popular explanation. It's popular with people who have noticed that science is by far the most successful truth hunt man has ever undertaken.
And no, your assumption that an otherwise error-riddled book written by primitives happens to be right about how life began does not make the question of man's origins redundant, unless you believe we've been around as long as life. We haven't.
DuhIdiot1 8 months ago
@DuhIdiot1
Well if you want to believe it is a story then that is your business. I see no reason nor have you made a case against the Genesis account i supplied. You did however charge the bible was error which you have not proven. I think we could move to the cosmological argument that says whatever begins to exist must have a cause. The universe began to exist therefore it has a cause. My position is that cause is God.
The question was redundant. "When and how did life begin?"
Kdrhod 8 months ago
@Kdrhod Neither premise of your cosmological argument is known to be true, and the argument thus has zero force. And if it did, "that cause is God" is a wildly unjustified leap.
DuhIdiot1 8 months ago
@DuhIdiot1 So you disagree that whatever begins to exist must have a cause? You also disagree that the universe began and it must have had a cause? Neither of those premises are true? That is an interesting point of view.
Kdrhod 8 months ago
@Kdrhod Didn't say they weren't true, only that their truth is unknown, which is sufficient to vitiate the argument.
You have no idea whether the universe began to exist rather than expanding from an eternally existing earlier state or some other scenario.
If it did begin, you have no idea whether it did so ex nihilo or as a phenomenon inside of some higher-level universe.
And if it began in any way, you have no experience to give you a clue whether it had to have a cause to do so.
DuhIdiot1 8 months ago
@DuhIdiot1 Well i certainly believe that the Universe began to exist. It is expanding so it must have began to exist. If it did not begin to exist then it is infinite right? That means there has been an infinite number of events which basically is a little, or maybe a lot hard to believe.
Kdrhod 8 months ago
@Kdrhod That doesn't follow. It's expanding, so it must have begun to *expand*. It could have existed in eventless stasis for an eternity and then begun to expand without a cause. Or it could have begun to exist, but only as a phenomenon within some greater cosmos, caused by entirely mindless and unsupernatural events within that cosmos.
And of course "a lot hard to believe" is not an argument.
DuhIdiot1 8 months ago
@DuhIdiot1 "It could have existed in eventless stasis for an eternity and then begun to expand without a cause."
I do not agree with that but anyway Are refering to the universe or your idea that a "roiling cauldron of energy"
was is "eventless stasis?" If in an "eventless stasis" then to me that would constitute in equalibrium. Now given thermodynamics wouldn't some outside force have to have acted on the matter or energy to bring it out of stasis?
Kdrhod 8 months ago
@Kdrhod You rejected the teleological argument right out of hand. Do you not see intelligence in the universe and in creation?
Kdrhod 8 months ago
@DuhIdiot1 "And of course "a lot hard to believe" is not an argument"
no....not an argument, just sarcasm.
Kdrhod 8 months ago
@Kdrhod We're clearly rehashing discussions we've both had before, here. Why not cut to the chase?
You know that there are no sound logical arguments for theism and that all the purported empirical evidence you can adduce has naturalistic explanations more parsimonious than your mystical ones.
The question is, why should I go ahead and choose your mystical ideas in spite of all that? Hit me.
DuhIdiot1 8 months ago
@DuhIdiot1 "You know that there are no sound logical arguments for theism"
Well if you are talking about logical argument then the tealeological argument and even the moral argument. Can i empirically verify Gods existence..of course not. Can you empirically verify the abscense of his existence, of course you cannot. Can you prove empirically without a doubt that the universe came into being uncaused, absolutely not. Can you prove we evolved from single cell into our current form, of course not
Kdrhod 8 months ago
@Kdrhod Ouch, teleological and moral? Really? Why skip over the ones that at least sound initially respectable and go immediately for the Shemps on the roster of apologetical Stooges?
If we cannot establish "God exists" nor "God does not exist", the only honest position is to assent to neither, i.e. to be an agnostic atheist.
And while cosmogenesis may--may--remain forever beyond our investigation, biogenesis falls comfortably within the remit of science.
Unless you're right and it was "shazam!"
DuhIdiot1 8 months ago
@Kdrhod It's a self-contradictory collection of tales about cosmic wizards, spells, curses, talking animals, prophecies, and magician-priests whose crucifixions cause earthquakes, eclipses, and zombie uprisings yet don't cause anybody around at the time to make a single note in their diaries or anything. None of these things appear to be part of the world of fact, so until there's really good reason to suppose otherwise, by default they are assumed to be fiction.
DuhIdiot1 8 months ago
@DuhIdiot1 Would you agree that the bible contains true historical events? Do you believe a person named Jesus of Nazareth existed and that he was executed by the Romans?
Kdrhod 8 months ago
@Kdrhod Of course the Bible contains some true history. Almost any work of fiction whose setting is on Earth during human history will. It helps the believability of the story, plus it's easier than trying to make up every detail of your fictional world.
Jesus? Not particularly. Any reason I should?
DuhIdiot1 8 months ago
@DuhIdiot1 Well most secular scholars will admit that Jesus did in fact live and was crucified by the Romans.
Kdrhod 8 months ago
@Kdrhod Yeah, so I frequently hear. What I don't hear is who exactly these scholars are and, much more importantly, what reasons they have for admitting such things.
DuhIdiot1 8 months ago
@DuhIdiot1
Do we have a purpose and what is it?
The purpose of life is to glorify God and enjoy him forever. God is the fulfillment of human existence. It is in fellowship eternally with God who is the source of infinite goodness and love that true fulfillment and freedom is found.
What are the right ways to act toward one another?
I think the Bible teaches how to act toward humanity.
Kdrhod 8 months ago
@Kdrhod Glorify, enjoy, and fellowship with a being who (1) is unavoidably at fault for all the suffering of every conscious life form ever on Earth and (2) believes that (because of his bungling creation, mind you) every single human being ever born is such scum that we deserve eternal torture, exemption from which can only come as a favor done by him to us?
So our purpose is to get raped forever and learn to like it--to say "Yes! Fuck me harder!", in fact?
DuhIdiot1 8 months ago
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@DuhIdiot1 "is unavoidably at fault for all the suffering of every conscious life form ever on Earth"
Your arguing from the point that God does not exist so are you now postulating God?
Kdrhod 8 months ago
@Kdrhod Don't be trite. You know I'm speaking for the sake of argument within the framework of your mythology.
DuhIdiot1 8 months ago
@Kdrhod And yeah, the Bible teaches how to act.
I mean, it doesn't teach any morals that aren't either (1) patently obvious and a part of every other moral code ever cooked up or (2) superfluous or else badly wrong.
And a lot of the book's fans seem to have the crazy idea that a god's opinions are either necessary or sufficient to establish right and wrong.
But bad teaching is still teaching.
DuhIdiot1 8 months ago
@DuhIdiot1
"(1) patently obvious and a part of every other moral code ever cooked up"
Yeah...Gods general revelation of right and wrong. Belief in God does not equal moral, but Gods very existence is why there is objective right and wrong.
Kdrhod 8 months ago
@Kdrhod OK, given two explanations of ubiquitous moral precepts:
(1) All humans have the same basic needs, face the same basic challenges, and will get the same basic returns on their well-being from many actions. They all quickly notice this and wind up prescribing and proscribing many of the same things.
(2) Magic sky-genie did it.
Why the hell would I eschew the explanation using nothing but known factors acting in known ways and go for the one whose principal agent is nowhere in evidence?
DuhIdiot1 8 months ago
@DuhIdiot1 "They all quickly notice this and wind up prescribing and proscribing many of the same things."
Are you saying there is an objective right and wrong in humanity? Indeed humanity has the general revelation given all human beings regardless of culture. But some certainly ignore that revelation of right and wrong. I think a better question would be where do these idea you have of "well being" come from?
Kdrhod 8 months ago
@DuhIdiot1 If God does not exist and humanity is the product of a blind evolution then why any right or wrong?
Your statement about "basic” needs and challenges seem to point to pragmatism as the path to right and wrong. Pragmatism is not always correct is it and how would we know or why should we care about right and wrong?
Kdrhod 8 months ago
@Kdrhod There's right and wrong because some actions make life suck more and some make it suck less, and we care because we are social animals capable of suffering and empathy. Are those supposed to be tough questions or something?
DuhIdiot1 8 months ago
@Kdrhod And as for the other, the name "Euthyphro" mean anything to you?
DuhIdiot1 8 months ago
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@DuhIdiot1
Are there supernatural entities? Who/what are they and what are they like?
Yes. Again i would point to the Bible for an explanation of these "supernatural entities."
Is death the end and if not what comes after?
No....Heaven or hell.
Kdrhod 8 months ago
@Kdrhod And again, I would ask why I should believe any of it, apart from wishful thinking to make myself feel better.
I would also ask how the hell the set of answers the Bible gives--a nihilistic horror story beyond anything out of Hollywood--could ever make anybody feel better to start with, but hey, that's just me not being a psychopath.
DuhIdiot1 8 months ago
To whomever is flagging Kdrhod's replies to me as spam, please either
(1) stop doing it, as he is only making these posts in reply to mine, or
(2) flag all of my replies to him as spam also. If you agree with me and not with him, that doesn't make his comments spam if mine aren't.
If the flagger happens to be you, CompletelyLovely, merely ask that I stop littering your comments section and it shall be done.
DuhIdiot1 8 months ago
@DuhIdiot1 You're replies to my comments are not showing up as spam on my e-mail notifications. They are shown as "you tube service."
Kdrhod 8 months ago
Forgive, Oh Lord, my little jokes on Thee,
and I'll forgive Thy great big one on me. ----- Robert Frost
I think he beat you to it...
(Also, no hangover can survive a big spicy plate of Mexican food...)
ThePeaceableKingdom 9 months ago
As a Christian I had seriously wondered about such ideas, CL ;) .
Jaybird196 9 months ago
@everywallwillfall The BIBLE: Either You Are with Me, or, I'll Torture You Forever in Hell. I'd Never Worship this EVIL DICTATOR!
flightkiller09 9 months ago
@everywallwillfall BACK to the old, BARBARIC, "SCARE TACTICS".
flightkiller09 9 months ago
Smart and pretty lady. I am in love!
AaronGarzaa5678 10 months ago
Are you kidding. How does God make us sin? We do it on our own. We he created us he gave us free will. To make our own decisions. Because he doesn't want to force us. It's like the way you choose to deny him everyday. Your really horrible. Like READ A BIBLE. Stop acting like you know your facts. Read intently from the bible. I want to just argue everything you've just said....... THIS coming from you. The chick who got herself drunk the her day.
WhoAmIReallyJC 10 months ago
@WhoAmIReallyJC um she has read the bible. so have i. i know many priests, preachers, and reverends who have gotten very drunk at christmas parties my mother has thrown.
lokipuck 10 months ago
@WhoAmIReallyJC Killing is a Terrible Sin. Yet God is a KILLER too (GOD"allegedly" FLOODED all the Earth: DROWNING BABIES+women, use your imagination!) God has killed a lot more than Stalin, Hitler and Osama--all combined.
Luke 19: 27 : Jesus instructs some followers TO KILL those who reject HIM AS THEIR kING.
PS: You Shalt NOT KILL!
flightkiller09 9 months ago
@WhoAmIReallyJC "Free will" exonerates your sky daddy exactly none.
Free choices are still caused choices. If an action or an impulse is not caused by your nature and character, it's not a choice, it's a morally neutral accident.
Either Adam & Eve ate the fruit because they had sinful natures that God was wrong to give them, or their actions weren't caused by their natures and God was wrong to punish them.
The exact same logic applies to Satan's rebellion, btw.
DuhIdiot1 8 months ago
Your arrogance is dangerous. I will pray for your soul.
pastordavidcoram 11 months ago
@pastordavidcoram Did you make it up yourself or did you take a predefined text? And can you give me the text or an audio snippet?
Because i d be really interested in wether christians actually pray for someone when thesy say they will or whether its just something they say.
And what does it mean anyway? Do you tink she is more in need of a prayer than you? Are you better than her? Then why dont you instead pray for yourself?
omnissient 10 months ago
@pastordavidcoram I don't think you know what sarcasm is.
XLG34 10 months ago
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@everywallwillfall sure, you believe whatever you want to. bye.
PornographicSoul 11 months ago
You need epicmealtime pancakes... they get you drunk!
ICanFlyHonest 11 months ago
@everywallwillfall christianity was deeply ingrained into church history, mostly because christians killed and persecuted those that didn't follow their beliefs.
like any christian missionaries, the american ones waged war on the indigenous indians, because the christians just didn't pause to find out, as usual.
good war planning suddenly means supernatural powers?
sigh, ok until 2012, or 2014 or whatever it is, I hope you have fun!
PornographicSoul 11 months ago
@everywallwillfall so that's supposed to be literal? can't you see how far you're stretching to try to apply that to be true of now?
considering that england and america are both strongly christian countries, is it any surprise that they want to help 'fulfil' bible prophecy? and if they 'help' fulfil a prophecy then its not a prophecy, but rather a command.
Israel is a nation because England and America read their bibles and WANT it to be true. can't you see that interference??
PornographicSoul 11 months ago
@everywallwillfall you've fallen prey to vague quotes and your naive speculations (confirmation bias, but I strongly doubt that you actually familiarised yourself with the concept). I don't mean to say that in a scathing sort of way, but thats my honesty. You're so caught up in saving yourself and having a good time in the future, that you've blinded yourself to your doubts. If you want to prove that christianity and your god is realistic, then the least you can do is listen to what people say.
PornographicSoul 11 months ago
Good point--why would we worship a God that tortures people forever (which qualifies as "crimes against humanity") If Hell is real, and was created by God for "torturing us" He Needs our Forgiveness.
flightkiller09 11 months ago
Aww, everywallwillfall thinks they've proven a point, that's so cute <3
PuffyAmiYumi 11 months ago 2
@everywallwillfall christianity has been scoffed since the movement begun. christians throughout the centuries since that was written have thought that their days were 'the last days', and they weren't! (unless 'the last days' means any time after that passage was written, not a specific abrupt ending)
please take a moment to familiarise with what 'confirmation bias' means, it is basically the reason why you in your current mindset will never understand non-christians.
PornographicSoul 11 months ago
Hangover, suuuuuuuuuuuuuure.
You like you just did some huge bong hits.
Noice.
TorontoLibertarian 11 months ago
Video of the month possibly . . . ?
th3inquisitiv31 11 months ago
PANCAKES!
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