Not many people do that a family member of mine got married in the temple and me and my family weren't allowed inside its ridiculous we should be able to enter any church if we want to.
Mitt admires Joseph Smith, founder of the Mormon church, who had 35 wives (proposed to 1 12 yr old girl who later said she felt like an abused child & 11 who were already married)
Joseph Smith had 2 great Apostles - Brigham Young (56 wives) & Parley Pratt (only 12 wives because the husband of 1 wife killed him).
Mitt Romney is a direct descendent of Parley Pratt who believed blacks were “cursed” & a lower form of human beings & that Mormons should follow Mormon teachings over the US Law
@DillonDee1 gays and lesbians r surely an abomination before the our Heavenly Parents. no place in the kingdom of our Heavenly Parents, if they dont repent and live a straight life.
@DillonDee1: "elderly Mormon women set down & wrote a check for $1 MILLION DOLLARS"
-- All contributions over $100 by individual donors had to be reported to our Secretary of State. The San Francisco Chronicle compiles a searchable list. The highest amount on that list was $40,000. Here's the list:
@DillonDee1 Nevertheless, I agree with you that someone should have been asking if these pious folks who gave over $20 million to take away their neighbors' rights might have done some real good by donating their big bucks to the poor (like REAL churches do) rather than using it to play politics?
Of course folks like Tom Hanks treat Mormons harshly. If they wanna be a "church", they should act like one. If they want to play politics, they should expect to be treated like politicians.
@CWMaua12 "gays and lesbians r surely an abomination before the our Heavenly Parents." that is baseless religious drivel that has nothing to do with governmental law. if gay people want to worry about heavenly parents, that's their concern, not yours. mind your own business. no one has to live under your religious mandates.
Mormons believed in having multiple wives b/c Jesus had 3 wives & convinced married gals to marry them b/c it’d be a special “celestial wedding” which meant they & their kin would have a special place in Heaven
Parley Pratt's son Helaman Platt (4 wives) fled to Mexico after getting out of the pen. Miles Romney (11 wives) lost his US citizenship rights to vote or serve on a jury, jumped bail & also sought sanctuary & citizenship in Mexico so he could continue to practice polygamy
@BeInnocuous -- Joseph Smith pointed to John 11:2-5 to show Jesus loved Mary and Martha as a husband loves his wives. He also used the anointing of Jesus by Mary, sister of Martha, in John 12:3 to show that Mary showed marital devotion to her husband, Jesus.
Anyone can make a claim... You forgot the claim that he pointed at him turn water into wine at the wedding... as it is the grooms only task to provide the wine for the wedding party....
Joseph did not make any of these claims... but they are claims that are made. I think you are confusing Joseph Smith with Dan Brown.
Helaman Pratt's daughter Anna m. Miles Romney’s son Gaskell in Chihuahua, Mexico & they had a son George & though they’d lived in Mex for yrs & set up schools & houses, a revolution caused these Mex citizens to sneak over the USA border into Tex
George was 5 when he came to the USA as an illegal alien but was still allowed to go on public welfare & to Tex public schools at taxpayers expense. B/C Mitt’s dad was an illegal immigrant, Mitt will never take actions against illegalS in the USA
@4422bon no one said anyone should or does lose their citizenship. that is not the content. hanks didn't say anyone or any group is unamerican. he said that seeking to impose baseless, hateful, hurtful discrimination in the law is an unamerican thing to do. he was right. our country is supposed to be about freedom, liberty, opportunity, and equality. it is simply about being on "the other side" of a debate. it about what the particular side constitutes in this case.
@slyjokerg Oh I see. The woman in the video claims he said the Mormons were un-American. I just thought it was an odd thing to say in any context although it is a common expression, I think.
@4422bon they are mistaken in what hanks actually said. it was: “The truth is this takes place in Utah, the truth is these people are some bizarre offshoot of the Mormon Church, and the truth is a lot of Mormons gave a lot of money to the church to make Prop-8 happen. There are a lot of people who feel that is un-American, and I am one of them. I do not like to see any discrimination codified on any piece of paper, any of the 50 states in America, but here's what happens now..." CONT...
@4422bon CONT... "A little bit of light can be shed, and people can see who's responsible, and that can motivate the next go around of our self correcting Constitution, and hopefully we can move forward instead of backwards. So let's have faith in not only the American, but Californian, constitutional process.” he didn't call mormons unamerican. he called actions unamerican, which they were in this case.
@CWMaua12 "There is no way gays and lesbians will receive eternal life unless they repent and change their live styles." that is their problem to worry about, not yours.
Let the gay's get married..... Also, Mormons kill you with kindness. However, the biggest shock in this video is the lady has never seen Forrest Gump.
I didn't know anything about Mormons before a couple of days ago. From what little I know now, this is worse than Islam by a long shot and makes christianity look realistic. To christians- there is no god, get over it. To muslims - there is no Allah, get over it. To mormons- you are not a god, gods don't exist, Joseph Smith can suck it, and get over your narcissistic selves.
@CerebrumPedere "Joseph Smith can suck it, and get over your narcissistic selves." crass, but well said. (not that i am adverse to being crass myself)
@jin2k1 "What is American?" quite reasonably clear is that the labels American/UnAmerican are in reference to people behaving in ways that exemplify or are counter to the ideals that American is supposed to represent and promote.. i.e. - freedom, liberty, opportunity, and equality. prop 8 is a disgusting, indefensible example of something that is counter to such ideals.
They say,that the head of the Mormon,or high priest,is of the order of Melkesadeck,which mean's ,he is higher the jesus,sorry for the spelling.The mark of the beast ,is Sunday. his seal is in the 4 th commandment. People,start learning,He is coming. The Sabbeth is Saturday,so if you worship on a Sunday,you have the mark of the beast. I don't want you to die
@wallypaige No you're wrong. Go attend, or hear the discussions from the missionaries. It's a Christian church, that teaches that Jesus is the Christ and that life is about doing good to others and continual learning. The head of the Mormon church is Jesus Christ. All others are his followers, who's intentions are of pure and good.
@jin2k1 "that Jesus is the Christ and that life is about doing good to others and continual learning." imposing hateful, baseless, despicable discrimination on a segment of society is a funny way to "do good."
Mitt has as his idol Joseph Smith, founder of the Mormon church, who had 35 wives (proposed to 1 girl when she was a 12 & who later stated she felt like an abused child & 11 who were already married)
Joseph Smith had 2 great Apostles - Brigham Young (56 wives) & Parley Pratt (only 12 wives because the husband of 1 wife killed him).
Mitt Romney is a direct descendent of Parley Pratt who believed blacks were “cursed” & a low-class of humans. Mitt attnded the all-white college - BYU
Correct... LDS were not alien in this or many other beliefs. Remember that all were converts. And with that came many odd traditions that they already had. Remember that many of the first leaders of the church were already leaders of their own church. Tradition is hard to change. This is evident in the NT too as Paul was busy correcting them in his many letters.
I think God allowing his people to practice slavery is odd. Don't you?
@BeInnocuous - "Some classes of the human family are black, uncouth, uncomely, disagreeable & low in their habits, wild & seemingly deprived of nearly all the blessings of the intelligence that's generally bestowed on mankind. Cain slew his brother. Cain might've been killed & that'd have put a termination to that line of human beings. This wasn't to be & the Lord put a mark on him which is the flat nose & black skin." (Journal of Discourses, vol. 7, p. 290 - Brigham Young).
@BeInnocuous "@DillonDee1 I'm not sure why that would reflex on Mitt. But you are wrong on LDS believing that Blacks for just being black are damned." you have it backward. they are black because they are damned. at least, that is what the kooky lds story is.
@DillonDee1 Mormons never claimed that blacks would be slaves in heaven. Infact we believe all mankind were once children of god, and that his love is infnite towards all those who seek the good and righteous. Mormon or not. Black or white. Asian or rest. It was their love and respect for the black people that had earned hatred from the community that had condemed the blacks and imposed slavery over them. As do I.
@jin2k1 "Mormons never claimed that blacks would be slaves in heaven." that's a lie. learn about your own faith. "It was their love and respect for the black people..." LOLOLOLOLOL you mean the 'love and respect' involved in specifically excluding black people from positions in the church until the 1970's, when the church was worried about losing its tax exemption? LMAO. please.
@DillonDee1 Joseph Smith was a good person who tried his best to bring people to the savior. His whole life, he was poor. He was humble. And he served people with all his heart. Those who knew him loved him. Yes he did take care of widows post war, and the needy. Mitt's love is for Jesus and God foremost as with most LDS (mormons) members. Joseph was a good man who brought people to Christ whom we respect along with all others who has done good in this life.
@jin2k1 "Joseph Smith was a good person who tried his best to bring people to the savior." joey was an illiterate con man that wanted to fuck lots of women... and girls. mitt's love is for public attention, and the pursuit of money and power.
@jonbobe actually. I have an IQ of 187 and I am a vice president in IBM. I'm a little more than a puppet. You on the other hand... are a cuddly ball of fur who has no idea what he's talking about.
@jin2k1 "I have an IQ of 187 and I am a vice president in IBM..." LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL
The (stupid) bile was written by MAN. Maybe he said "Oh god told me this" but ultimately, MEN wrote it. It did not float down from heaven.
Now, brainless christains, I shall show you how LOGIC works.
1)The bible was penned my men.
2)Men are fallible (can make mistakes)
3)Therefore the bible can contain mistakes.
So how can it be the unquestionable word of god (not that he exsists)? Also I will go further in saying that MAN is not only fallible, but often deceptive, and often have AGENDAS.
@kaelemelf So what's your point, kalelemelf? People are fallible; the books they write--including the Bible--contain mistakes?
I agree. I'm a Christian. So how does this make me "brainless"? I think when you stereotype 2 billion people you do nothing so much as illustrate your own ignorance.
Does people's fallibility mean absolutely everything they say or write is false? Since you are presumptious enough to teach others about logic, can you please explain how that "logic" works?
@kaelemelf 1. Bible was penned by Men. Yes... and Men was penned by men. Don't you read the milk carton?
2. Men are fallible.... yes... isn't this why we seek for something infallible?
3. The interpretation is limited but the principals are eternal. Infact it's so that we CAN have greater agendas that we seek for something more than what man can offer. Your logic is flawed.
@jin2k1 "Bible was penned by Men. Yes... " and so was the book of mormon. it was penned by martin harris, as dictated by joey "the con" smith, while the illiterate latter stared into a hat, pretending to be orating glowing words off of golden plates, which he was instructed to dig up in the middle of the forest and were never seen by anyone else. if it was written in a children's story, kids would laugh at it as being stupid and silly.
Tom Hanks wouldn't make such comments IF he had any Mormon friends. They keep to themselves and would only give their opinion or personal feelings about their church only when they are asked about it. The Church and its members also don't advertise their good will to the needy unlike Hollywood.
@Rogelle: "The Church and its members also don't advertise their good will to the needy..."
-- LOL. A HUGE amount of the tax-exempt money Mormons give to their Church goes to advertising. Just here on YouTube, go to "MormonMessages" and try to watch all the slick ads. I'll contact you next month when you're done with all 745 of them. And don't try commenting on them, as you can on this video. You can't.
@Rogelle If Mormons spent half the time actually helping others that they spend bragging about how much they help, the world would surely be a better--and quieter--place.
@Rogelle "@hanohanonacowboy Only in YOUR world that the Mormons brag about their service to their fellow men." they do it regularly. when criticized for wrong doing, mromons commonly try to deflect and mitigate blame via claims of previous good deeds and past "persecution" OF mormons.
@hanohanonacowboy if you spent half the time criticising something you do not know and spent time being serving others... you may not come to that conclusion.
@jin2k1 "@hanohanonacowboy if you spent half the time criticising something you do not know and spent time being serving others... you may not come to that conclusion." if YOU and your "church" spent your time worrying about yourselves and your own lives instead of trying to impose your cuckoo religious views on everyone else, we wouldn't be having this discussion.
@Rogelle: "Tom Hanks wouldn't make such comments IF he had any Mormon friends."
-- I have Mormon friends. I make comments like Tom made. Because he is right.
Tom Hanks is Greek Orthodox, but his stepmother was Mormon and Tom attended a Mormon church as a young child. You really ought to try using facts, rather than making up false claims against people whose lives you know nothing about.
@Rogelle I have not claimed to know anything about you, Rogelle. More to the point, I don't care to know anything about you. But when you make unfounded claims about the man this video is about because YOU don't know anything about him, I will call you out for the liar you are.
@hanohanonacowboy Just like you're making up 70% here and some percent there. Unless your job is the Accountant of the World, I'm not going to believe your numbers. Do you think the Congressional Budget Office and Obama's Accounting Experts agree on one true number? You are also a LIAR, SO THERE!
@Rogelle Contributions of over $100 to the Prop 8 campaign and to all state propositions are on file with our Secretary of State. Mormons comprised at least 70%, based just on that. Some of that contribution was actually tax-exempt Church funds, not donations from private Mormon citizens.
As a result of lying about their illegal tax-exempt donations, the Mormons became the only church in 162 years of California history to be fined by the state for breaking our election laws. Pathetic.
@hanohanonacowboy And you personally confirmed the membership of this 70% to the LDS church? And you did this how? By repelling to the temperature-controlled massive caves operated by the evil empire Mormon church that won't share its geneology work with the world? No doubt your own name is there. What is pathetic is you convince yourself that I would agree with your numbers or that I believe what the Secretary of State puts out.
@hanohanonacowboy I have mormon friends too... some of them are dorks.. just like the Greek Orthodoxes and the Catholics and hanohanocowboys. But that's probably because we're all human. Just having fun with you hanohano... deep inside I know it's for the love of christ, and the love of your fellow bretherin that fuels you to warn all against the evils... but the mormon's really aren't what you think they are. Infact they're the one of the best Christians you will ever meet. Unlike me.
@jin2k1 "@hano - but the mormon's really aren't what you think they are. Infact they're the one of the best Christians you will ever meet." they are exactly what i think they are, and i have much reason to believe the same for hano's perception. and "best christians" is not only completely subjective, but not remotely an automatic badge of honor. this is especially true when their beliefs cause them to go out of their way to do really deplorable, hurtful, hateful things to people.
-- If this were true, we would not be having this discussion. Mormons worked very hard and gave huge amounts of cash in order to try to tear apart my family and tens of thousands of other California families. That was the point of Tom Hanks' comments.
@hanohanonacowboy Not 100% of people who voted are MORMONS. Get that fact straight to your narrow head. NOT ALL Blacks, Whites, Asians, Mormons, Atheists, Muslims are the same. EVEN if you had a twin, you're both NOT ONE AND THE SAME. Intiende?
@Rogelle: "Not 100% of people who voted are MORMONS."
-- That's very true. More's the pity, then, that 70% of the money for the political campaign came from Mormons, over 30 times their percentage of voters. They bought a law, plain and simple.
Rich Mormons paid cold, hard cash to force my church and over 200 others to abandon our marriage sacraments and obey Mormon doctrine.
We're waiting to see if they'll next take up another collection to tell us who we can and can't baptize.
@hanohanonacowboy "Rich Mormons paid cold, hard cash to force my church and over 200 others to abandon our marriage sacraments and obey Mormon doctrine." no religious marriage sacrament was forcibly abandoned. anything not being conducted religiously is by choice, not force. prop 8 only denies access to state recognition of a particular construct of marriage and doesn't not address religion. but yes, in that realm, everyone is being forced to obey lds doctrine.
@Rogelle no one said that all the voters were mormon, or even that very many of them were. we all know that they weren't. the lds' campaign of lies and bullshit that promoted prop 8 is what they are culpable for. they ran it, they funded it. and not literally every mormon was in on it, but as a whole they were, and the church ordered its members to behave in the aforementioned manner, promoting their bigoted agenda.
@hanohanonacowboy and how did they do that? "Hi, we'll give you a million dollars to join the LDS church...?" btw, my younger brother is a huge fan of Tom Hanks... and I personally like Tom Hanks... too bad he misunderstands.
@jin2k1 "and I personally like Tom Hanks... too bad he misunderstands." he doesn't misunderstand anything at all. he knows what the lds did re: prop 8, and he called it an unamerican thing to do. he is right.
@Rogelle "Tom Hanks wouldn't make such comments IF he had any Mormon friends. They keep to themselves and would only give their opinion or personal feelings about their church only when they are asked about it." ummmm they didn't keep to themselves at all. that's why this whole issue exists. they weren't asked about. they simply decided to do w/e they could to impose their beliefs on everyone else. and in the usa, we aren't subject to being forced to follow someone else's religion.
"WHY I LEFT THE MORMON CHURCH AND BECAME A DAHESHIST: A follower of Dr. Dahesh, the miracle-working Prophet of Lebanon" If you want to read that article send me an email with "Dahesh" in it and I'll send you the article. darrick_evenson AT yahoo DOT c o m
@BeInnocuous --- Mormon scriptures (Doctrine and Covenants, Abraham 3) state that our galaxy contains countless planets either already, or that will soon be, inhabited by human-type life & who will be ruled by MORMON MEN. The #1 planet is Kolob.
If you're male & not Mormon, repent & join the Mormon church now so you can become a God with your own planet to rule
@BeInnocuous "Being a god is not the same as becoming a God." first.. LOLOLOLOLOLOLOL @ that silly hairsplit. second, we are not gods on earth, according to your faith, yet are later, which means at some point we do BECOME gods. "BYU is not an all white school." more bs that attempts to deny the racism of lds past and present.
@slyjokerg er... hey silly goose for visit BYUH.EDU . BYU IS THE MOST MULTICULTURAL UNIVERSITY ON THE FACE OF THIS PLANET, and the church has WAY MORE MEMBERSHIP OUTSIDE US THAN US.
@DillonDee1 You mean BYU Provo. You may want to check BYU Hawaii where whites are a minority. BTW, PROVO demographically speaking has majority whites to begin with.
@jin2k1 -- I never said anything about minorities b/c the Mormon Church has been welcoming to several minorities -- they just dont like blacks very much
But dont deny your Church's history --embrace it, love it, live with it
@jin2k1 "You may want to check BYU Hawaii where whites are a minority." LOLOLOLOLOLOL @ the dodging and game playing. the lds is VERY VERY white, but i find it comical that, presuming your hawaii implication is even true, that you point to an area that is largely other than white FOR finding people that aren't white. LOLOLOLOLOL. do you point to the vatican for predominantly catholic people? wow. what an amazing coincidence.
@jin2k1 LMAO. do you know any actual facts? ANY? byu is made up almost exclusively of mormons. and where you got "byu is the most multicultural university on the face of this planet," i have to assume, is your asshole. LMAO. what a lunatic. go actually learn something. and btw, byu has censorship as a part of its rules of attendance. no one can say anything the church doesn't like. it is just an arm of the lds cult.
@BeInnocuous "I think you should read the Bible..." i have, thanks. and no, it doesn't say that people are gods. it says there is only one god. and i didn't say that byu doesn't allow black students today. i scoffed at the claim that byu has never been racist. and the student body being lds is true to the degree that the % is in the upper 90s.
John 10:35 Jesus clearly states that all that receive the word of God are gods. You need to stop looking at it in a closed minded English only context. That is ignorant.
@BeInnocuous "John 10:35 Jesus clearly states that all that receive the word of God are gods. You need to stop looking at it in a closed minded English only context. That is ignorant." LMAO. closed minded english? LOLOL. in other words, it means w/e the fuck you say it does. 1 timothy 2:5, "For there is one God and one mediator between God and mankind, the man Christ Jesus". ONE GOD, asshole. LOL. at best you are only demonstrating the MASSIVE inconsistency/contradictions of the bible.
@DillonDee1 Er... I DID think about buying some land on the moon when it was being auctioned for sale. Not sure if ruling the planet is a bad thing.. heck... if we can live a billion years or more in the next world... WHY NOT?? PS: Ruling worlds is not for everyone. I'll stick with gardening and start giving life to my tomatoes first.
Gay marriage is a joke and if all these so called "Christians would read the Bible then they would see that, GOD IS NOT DOWN WITH HOMOSEXUAL ACTS!!! And how does jin2k1 know what happened in the Provo Temple? were you there? I didn't think so. Jews Didn't believe Christ was or is the Savior, bad news for you, no can get to God accept through Jesus Christ. If Anne Frank still doesn't believe Jesus is the Christ then she won't care if Mormons are doing her work for her cause she's NOT going to God
@andychanny: "GOD IS NOT DOWN WITH HOMOSEXUAL ACTS!!!"
-- The law the Mormons bought is not about homosexual acts. There are already homosexual Americans. Millions of them. They are your neighbors and they are citizens every bit as surely as you are.
The ONLY question is whether you are so much better than these neighbors of yours that you deserve special legal rights that should be denied to them.
@andychanny it isn't your business, nor anyone else's, if some dead person "goes to god." you are creepy, arrogant freaks that need to keep your noses on your faces. and prop 8 has nothing to do with homosexual acts. it is 100% about denying access to governmental marriage recognition. and it matters 0 that you think "god is not down with homosexual acts." the issue is legal, not religious. no one has to live via someone else's religious assertions/beliefs.
@slyjokerg you're right... there was a tone of arrogance in andy's tone.. but cannot blame her seeing the tones that's been put out by the anti-mormons on this site. Regardless, from a legal standpoint the act is only against marriage recognition, and for good reasons. 97%+ of gays are non-biological and decisions are made based on the balance of society. Population growth and phychological development of children raised under mixed gender parents needs impose a neccessity worth supporting.
@jin2k1 "keep in mind however, human rights will always preveil regardless of gender. Is this not just?" you are speaking against yourself now. "human rights will prevail" is something that supporters of equal rights are looking to, you dope. what human right is it that you think gives you the authority to discriminate against gay people? what does gay people having equal rights take away from you?
@jin2k the "anti-mormonism," at least from me, is a direct result of something unconscionable they did that harms other people for no reason at all. i don't blindly attack them simply for being mormon, other than to shake my head at the insane, childish beliefs themselves. i don't give a shit about anyone's religion, so long as it doesn't affect others that don't care to partake. sadly, that is not terribly common in the practice of religion in general. there are almost always imposition tries.
@jin2k1 none of the bs you just spewed about banning gay marriage access makes any sense or holds any water. gay people are already gay, live in gay relationships, have gay sex, have and raise children... LEGALLY. and no one gay or straight has any obligation to procreate, and there is no prerequisite for it in any marriage law. no one is required to raise their child in any household dynamic. denying access to marriage recognition doesn't change anything. it is simply faux superiority.
@andychanny I don't know where andy channy is coming from... it's probably the language barrier. Anyways, your comment is rude and condescending...there's no condescending tone in LDS teachings about homosexuality. However they certainly do not encourage it.
@jin2k1 "there's no condescending tone in LDS teachings about homosexuality". again, .... LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL. ummm, condemning homosexuals as being of a lesser "lifestyle" is about as condescending as something can get. you are no better than anyone else, despite your arrogant desire to think you are. in fact, there is much basis to assert YOU are lesser by virtue of what your faith causes you to do to other people.
You people don't know anything about "Mormons" you don't know where the name "Mormon" even came from! "Mormons" are very American! The Mormon battalion was the first group of armed men in the state of Utah to ever raise a rifle in the Civil War! The "Mormon" Battalion eventually became the Utah Army National Guard! And to the ignorant idiot named jin2k1 below: Mormons don't force their members or neighbors to do anything. Your church is so divided into all these different sects it's a joke!!
@andychanny: "You people don't know anything about "Mormons" you don't know where the name "Mormon" even came from!"
-- I know everything I need to know about Mormons. I know they are dangerous religious extremists who used big buckets of cash to remove basic civil rights from their neighbors.
I don't give a rat's ass where their name comes from. I only care that they have done great harm to my family and that I will do whatever I can to keep them from harming us any more.
@andychanny nothing any mormon ever did in the past excuses doing something horrible now. you don't get a free pass because of some supposed good deed being banked. and..."Mormons don't force their members or neighbors to do anything." demonstrates that you are oblivious to what the issue here is. the mormons are/were responsible for prop 8's passage. prop 8 forces people to live under lds doctrine re: marriage recognition.
@RayWlllaimJohnson Hey idiot, It says that twice in the Bible, so who ever added to it after the the final book of Moses they are going to hell...so that means, Jeremiah, Paul, Peter, John, even the whole book of Psalms is false according to you...you really should read the Bible on your own instead of having your weak influences try to tell you what is says. Cause they don't know what is says either.
@RayWlllaimJohnson no it doesn't it says quote 'away from this book', meaning the book of revelation not the entire bible. And since you're so knowledgeable in the scriptures/bible please quote for me where it says there are to be no more prophets after Jesus
@RayWlllaimJohnson It does not say " to not add to the bible"...Go back and read it again. Plus... you have a lot of nerve talking about the Bible and using language like that
@RayWlllaimJohnson er.. You're talking about a verse written in John... what about the other books written after it? it's still in the bible.... speaking of which, a bible is a compilation of records, notes etc that was canonized by the Catholic church as to oppose any differences in viewpoints. That being said, the book of mormon is a record of a civilization that existed in the ancient americas. It does not go against the bible. Infact it teaches that all mankind must come to Christ.
@jin2k1 "the book of mormon is a record of a civilization that existed in the ancient americas." no, it isn't. it is a cartoonish fable concocted by a charlatan.
@asubjectiveopinion it seems clear that you're the brainwashed idiot who knows nothing about the mormons...but I probably won't use the hate speech either...
@theblob34 er.. that's the wrong religion. (You're talking about the 're-organized church') but don't blame you.. look how many idiots there are in this forum who pretends to know something. Confusing isn't it...
A MorMon calls me THE ANTICHRIST.......WHILE WORSHIPPING A CREEP WHO AMASSED HUNDREDS OF MILLIONS OF DOLLARS IN HIS OWN NAME. HOW CHRISTIAN IS THAT FOLKS? THE FREAKEY GREEDY PEOPLE MUST BE STOPPED BY THOSE OF US WHO VALUE HUMANITY, JUSTICE, AND OUR FELLOW HUMAN BEINGS. ROMNEY VALUES FILTHY LUCRE LIKE ALL THE REST AND FALLS BACK ON A DELUSIONAL WORLD VIEW DENOUNCED AS INSANE BAFFLEGAB BY ANYONE WITH AN EDUCATION AND BRAIN - BUT DON'T LISTEN TO ME - I AM THE ANTICHRIST, I ADMIT IT...SEND MONEY....
@SmileyGarrish I don't call you the antichrist buddy... maybe an idiot..but surely not an antichrist. BTW if you're talking about Joseph Smith... he was actually quite poor.
@imN0Ttheone 1. I AM an American. 2. I am bigger and stronger than you 3. I'm obviously smarter than you. 4. My voice is obviously heard, since you're replying to it. 5. You are an insecure poor excuse of a man and disgrace to the nation. You make people like us who are decent and respectful towards others really look bad.
Mormonism is disgusting, the practice of Baptism of the Dead is unspeakably insulting to the memory of the people concerned, the idea of posthumously converting victims of the holocaust is one of the most sickening things I have ever heard.
Not to mention the Smithist's attitude to black people, the rituals "borrowed" from freemasonry, the dubious 19th century racial theories about first nations people "borrowed" from the British Israel movement and the antics of the con-man joseph Smith.
@asubjectiveopinion 1. Baptism for the dead is a ritual to honor the dead, and give opportunities to those who have never had the chance to know the gospel in the afterlife. It is done with the greatest level of respect, and there are those in the temple who have seen the spirit waiting to be called. My grandmother was one of them... no one remembers the dead... but we do, because heavenly father is god of the dead and the living.
2. The Free Mason's rituals originated from Solomon's temple where the builders (the masons) were the only ones who had access other than the high priests. They recorded the proceedings. The records were later takeby the Masons. The similarities found between Solomon's temple only demonstrates how closely accurate the mormons are to the original source. BTW Most American policital figures are part of the Masons. It's not a religious group..it's a fraternity group like the boyscouts.
@jin2k1: "BTW Most American policital figures are part of the Masons."
-- This is laughably false. Give evidence or admit you just made it up.
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"It's not a religious group..it's a fraternity group like the boyscouts."
-- The Freemasons are indeed a religious group, as are the Boy Scouts. Candidates for regular Freemasonry are required to declare a belief in a Supreme Being. The Boy Scouts of America requires a belief in God for membership.
@hanohanonacowboy 1. I was a Mason before joining the LDS faith. 2. I was a boyscout. 3. The Boy Scouts of America does NOT require a belief in God for membership...unless you're talking about the whole constitution having been set up by a Christian, in which case you can argue that seeing that the entire US constitution was set up by Christians that every american must be a christian.
@jin2k1: "The Boy Scouts of America does NOT require a belief in God"
"The Boy Scouts of America maintains that no member can grow into the best kind of citizen without recognizing an obligation to God. In the first part of the Scout Oath or Promise the member declares, 'On my honor I will do my best to do my duty to God and my country and to obey the Scout Law.’" --Bylaws of the Boy Scouts of America, Declaration of Religious Principle.
@jin2k1 LMAO. you are an outright idiot/liar. the boy scouts 100% does require belief in god for membership. you are either lying about that very fact, or about being a boy scout. and the comparison to the us constitution is laughably faulty. the constitution specifically forbids religious mandates. btw the scout oath contains: "To do my duty to God..." CONT...
Not many people do that a family member of mine got married in the temple and me and my family weren't allowed inside its ridiculous we should be able to enter any church if we want to.
gomez19990 3 hours ago
@gomez19990 " we should be able to enter any church if we want to."
As far as I know You can enter any church if you want to
KMartin730 2 hours ago
@gomez19990 a temple is a bit more than a church. It is very holy
notshybutterfly 52 minutes ago
not having seen forest gump is un-american!
jhdillingerjr 1 day ago
I bet this trash show has 12 or 14 viewers
olgrunt1 1 day ago
@olgrunt1 it has many viewers. you are obviously ignorant about it and simply wish to blindly criticize it.
slyjokerg 1 day ago
Mitt admires Joseph Smith, founder of the Mormon church, who had 35 wives (proposed to 1 12 yr old girl who later said she felt like an abused child & 11 who were already married)
Joseph Smith had 2 great Apostles - Brigham Young (56 wives) & Parley Pratt (only 12 wives because the husband of 1 wife killed him).
Mitt Romney is a direct descendent of Parley Pratt who believed blacks were “cursed” & a lower form of human beings & that Mormons should follow Mormon teachings over the US Law
DillonDee1 1 day ago
@DillonDee1 gays and lesbians r surely an abomination before the our Heavenly Parents. no place in the kingdom of our Heavenly Parents, if they dont repent and live a straight life.
CWMaua12 1 day ago
@CWMaua12
-- I understand an elderly Mormon women set down & wrote a check for $1 MILLION DOLLARS to help stop gay marriages in California
Do you wonder, as I do, if she didnt pause a moment to think about how much good that money could do for disabled Veterans or hungry children?
DillonDee1 1 day ago
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@DillonDee1: "elderly Mormon women set down & wrote a check for $1 MILLION DOLLARS"
-- All contributions over $100 by individual donors had to be reported to our Secretary of State. The San Francisco Chronicle compiles a searchable list. The highest amount on that list was $40,000. Here's the list:
sfgate. com/webdb/prop8/?appSession=832673683671037&RecordID=&PageID=2&PrevPageID=2&cpipage=1&CPIsortType=desc&CPIorderby=Amount&cbCurrentPageSize=
hanohanonacowboy 1 day ago
@DillonDee1 Nevertheless, I agree with you that someone should have been asking if these pious folks who gave over $20 million to take away their neighbors' rights might have done some real good by donating their big bucks to the poor (like REAL churches do) rather than using it to play politics?
Of course folks like Tom Hanks treat Mormons harshly. If they wanna be a "church", they should act like one. If they want to play politics, they should expect to be treated like politicians.
hanohanonacowboy 1 day ago
@hanohanonacowboy - I agree
And the Mormom Church & others like it that engage in political activities need to have their tax exempt status removed.
DillonDee1 1 day ago
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@DillonDee1 And the Mormom Church & others like it that engage in political activities need to have their tax exempt status removed.
Why? What makes them any different then 527's?
BeInnocuous 1 day ago
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@CWMaua12 "gays and lesbians r surely an abomination before the our Heavenly Parents." that is baseless religious drivel that has nothing to do with governmental law. if gay people want to worry about heavenly parents, that's their concern, not yours. mind your own business. no one has to live under your religious mandates.
slyjokerg 1 day ago
Mormons believed in having multiple wives b/c Jesus had 3 wives & convinced married gals to marry them b/c it’d be a special “celestial wedding” which meant they & their kin would have a special place in Heaven
Parley Pratt's son Helaman Platt (4 wives) fled to Mexico after getting out of the pen. Miles Romney (11 wives) lost his US citizenship rights to vote or serve on a jury, jumped bail & also sought sanctuary & citizenship in Mexico so he could continue to practice polygamy
DillonDee1 1 day ago
@DillonDee1 Mormons believed in having multiple wives b/c Jesus had 3 wives
I'm not sure where you got this idea... but you are wrong.
BeInnocuous 1 day ago
@BeInnocuous -- Joseph Smith pointed to John 11:2-5 to show Jesus loved Mary and Martha as a husband loves his wives. He also used the anointing of Jesus by Mary, sister of Martha, in John 12:3 to show that Mary showed marital devotion to her husband, Jesus.
DillonDee1 1 day ago
@DillonDee1
Anyone can make a claim... You forgot the claim that he pointed at him turn water into wine at the wedding... as it is the grooms only task to provide the wine for the wedding party....
Joseph did not make any of these claims... but they are claims that are made. I think you are confusing Joseph Smith with Dan Brown.
BeInnocuous 1 day ago
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@BeInnocuous: "I think you are confusing Joseph Smith with Dan Brown."
-- LOL. More like Jim Jones.
hanohanonacowboy 1 day ago
Helaman Pratt's daughter Anna m. Miles Romney’s son Gaskell in Chihuahua, Mexico & they had a son George & though they’d lived in Mex for yrs & set up schools & houses, a revolution caused these Mex citizens to sneak over the USA border into Tex
George was 5 when he came to the USA as an illegal alien but was still allowed to go on public welfare & to Tex public schools at taxpayers expense. B/C Mitt’s dad was an illegal immigrant, Mitt will never take actions against illegalS in the USA
DillonDee1 1 day ago
Can I get my 2 minutes of life back? This is the worse than the view! No wonder there are more dislikes than likes.
clubadv 1 day ago
@clubadv sorry that you don't like tom hanks rightfully talking about how unconscionable the lds' actions were re: prop 8.
slyjokerg 1 day ago
Un-American? How does being on one side of a debate make you lose your citizenship? This country just keeps getting weirder.
4422bon 1 day ago
@4422bon no one said anyone should or does lose their citizenship. that is not the content. hanks didn't say anyone or any group is unamerican. he said that seeking to impose baseless, hateful, hurtful discrimination in the law is an unamerican thing to do. he was right. our country is supposed to be about freedom, liberty, opportunity, and equality. it is simply about being on "the other side" of a debate. it about what the particular side constitutes in this case.
slyjokerg 1 day ago
@slyjokerg Oh I see. The woman in the video claims he said the Mormons were un-American. I just thought it was an odd thing to say in any context although it is a common expression, I think.
4422bon 1 day ago
@4422bon they are mistaken in what hanks actually said. it was: “The truth is this takes place in Utah, the truth is these people are some bizarre offshoot of the Mormon Church, and the truth is a lot of Mormons gave a lot of money to the church to make Prop-8 happen. There are a lot of people who feel that is un-American, and I am one of them. I do not like to see any discrimination codified on any piece of paper, any of the 50 states in America, but here's what happens now..." CONT...
slyjokerg 1 day ago
@4422bon CONT... "A little bit of light can be shed, and people can see who's responsible, and that can motivate the next go around of our self correcting Constitution, and hopefully we can move forward instead of backwards. So let's have faith in not only the American, but Californian, constitutional process.” he didn't call mormons unamerican. he called actions unamerican, which they were in this case.
slyjokerg 1 day ago
Lose the bimbo and you've got yourself a show!
birthnight 1 day ago
I love your videos! However the program you use for the captions for the Deaf needs to be upgraded in a big way...............!!!!!!!
soozeeqable 1 day ago
GO, TOM, GO!!!!
alleng27 2 days ago
Nobody's too busy for the Gump.
bsnxenogear 2 days ago
There is no way gays and lesbians will receive eternal life unless they repent and change their live styles.
CWMaua12 2 days ago
@CWMaua12 "There is no way gays and lesbians will receive eternal life unless they repent and change their live styles." that is their problem to worry about, not yours.
slyjokerg 2 days ago
Let the gay's get married..... Also, Mormons kill you with kindness. However, the biggest shock in this video is the lady has never seen Forrest Gump.
ElFlacoRiver 2 days ago
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I didn't know anything about Mormons before a couple of days ago. From what little I know now, this is worse than Islam by a long shot and makes christianity look realistic. To christians- there is no god, get over it. To muslims - there is no Allah, get over it. To mormons- you are not a god, gods don't exist, Joseph Smith can suck it, and get over your narcissistic selves.
CerebrumPedere 2 days ago
@CerebrumPedere "Joseph Smith can suck it, and get over your narcissistic selves." crass, but well said. (not that i am adverse to being crass myself)
slyjokerg 2 days ago
What is American?
jin2k1 2 days ago
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@jin2k1 "What is American?" quite reasonably clear is that the labels American/UnAmerican are in reference to people behaving in ways that exemplify or are counter to the ideals that American is supposed to represent and promote.. i.e. - freedom, liberty, opportunity, and equality. prop 8 is a disgusting, indefensible example of something that is counter to such ideals.
slyjokerg 2 days ago
They say,that the head of the Mormon,or high priest,is of the order of Melkesadeck,which mean's ,he is higher the jesus,sorry for the spelling.The mark of the beast ,is Sunday. his seal is in the 4 th commandment. People,start learning,He is coming. The Sabbeth is Saturday,so if you worship on a Sunday,you have the mark of the beast. I don't want you to die
wallypaige 2 days ago
@wallypaige No you're wrong. Go attend, or hear the discussions from the missionaries. It's a Christian church, that teaches that Jesus is the Christ and that life is about doing good to others and continual learning. The head of the Mormon church is Jesus Christ. All others are his followers, who's intentions are of pure and good.
jin2k1 2 days ago
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@jin2k1 "that Jesus is the Christ and that life is about doing good to others and continual learning." imposing hateful, baseless, despicable discrimination on a segment of society is a funny way to "do good."
slyjokerg 2 days ago
mormons are a murdering cult that should be abolished brigham is in hell humping mohamad
olgrunt1 3 days ago
@olgrunt1 and may you be forgiven for that comment.... *gasp.
jin2k1 2 days ago
Mitt has as his idol Joseph Smith, founder of the Mormon church, who had 35 wives (proposed to 1 girl when she was a 12 & who later stated she felt like an abused child & 11 who were already married)
Joseph Smith had 2 great Apostles - Brigham Young (56 wives) & Parley Pratt (only 12 wives because the husband of 1 wife killed him).
Mitt Romney is a direct descendent of Parley Pratt who believed blacks were “cursed” & a low-class of humans. Mitt attnded the all-white college - BYU
DillonDee1 3 days ago
@DillonDee1
So you are saying you have no decedents that had odd views of the world?
BYU is not an all white school.
BeInnocuous 3 days ago
@BeInnocuous -- I assume you mean ancestors & yes, some had weird views for they were Mormons
DillonDee1 3 days ago
@DillonDee1
Correct... LDS were not alien in this or many other beliefs. Remember that all were converts. And with that came many odd traditions that they already had. Remember that many of the first leaders of the church were already leaders of their own church. Tradition is hard to change. This is evident in the NT too as Paul was busy correcting them in his many letters.
I think God allowing his people to practice slavery is odd. Don't you?
BeInnocuous 3 days ago
@BeInnocuous --- yes & I've never agreed w/ the Mormon belief that blacks would be slaves in Heaven
DillonDee1 3 days ago
@DillonDee1
So you think blacks are damned?
BeInnocuous 3 days ago
@BeInnocuous -- MITT'S ANCESTOR SAID BLACKS WERE DAMNED!
DillonDee1 3 days ago 2
@DillonDee1
I'm not sure why that would reflex on Mitt. But you are wrong on LDS believing that Blacks for just being black are damned.
BeInnocuous 3 days ago
@BeInnocuous - "Some classes of the human family are black, uncouth, uncomely, disagreeable & low in their habits, wild & seemingly deprived of nearly all the blessings of the intelligence that's generally bestowed on mankind. Cain slew his brother. Cain might've been killed & that'd have put a termination to that line of human beings. This wasn't to be & the Lord put a mark on him which is the flat nose & black skin." (Journal of Discourses, vol. 7, p. 290 - Brigham Young).
DillonDee1 3 days ago
@DillonDee1
I thought we were talking about Mtt?
BeInnocuous 3 days ago
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@BeInnocuous "@DillonDee1 I'm not sure why that would reflex on Mitt. But you are wrong on LDS believing that Blacks for just being black are damned." you have it backward. they are black because they are damned. at least, that is what the kooky lds story is.
slyjokerg 2 days ago
@DillonDee1 Mormons never claimed that blacks would be slaves in heaven. Infact we believe all mankind were once children of god, and that his love is infnite towards all those who seek the good and righteous. Mormon or not. Black or white. Asian or rest. It was their love and respect for the black people that had earned hatred from the community that had condemed the blacks and imposed slavery over them. As do I.
jin2k1 2 days ago
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@jin2k1 "Mormons never claimed that blacks would be slaves in heaven." that's a lie. learn about your own faith. "It was their love and respect for the black people..." LOLOLOLOLOL you mean the 'love and respect' involved in specifically excluding black people from positions in the church until the 1970's, when the church was worried about losing its tax exemption? LMAO. please.
slyjokerg 2 days ago
@DillonDee1 Joseph Smith was a good person who tried his best to bring people to the savior. His whole life, he was poor. He was humble. And he served people with all his heart. Those who knew him loved him. Yes he did take care of widows post war, and the needy. Mitt's love is for Jesus and God foremost as with most LDS (mormons) members. Joseph was a good man who brought people to Christ whom we respect along with all others who has done good in this life.
jin2k1 2 days ago
@jin2k1 "Joseph Smith was a good person who tried his best to bring people to the savior." joey was an illiterate con man that wanted to fuck lots of women... and girls. mitt's love is for public attention, and the pursuit of money and power.
slyjokerg 2 days ago
Mormons are puppet douchebags. Fuck off!
jonbobe 3 days ago
@jonbobe actually. I have an IQ of 187 and I am a vice president in IBM. I'm a little more than a puppet. You on the other hand... are a cuddly ball of fur who has no idea what he's talking about.
jin2k1 2 days ago
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@jin2k1 "I have an IQ of 187 and I am a vice president in IBM..." LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL
slyjokerg 2 days ago
dude..... shut up
afekenny 3 days ago
The (stupid) bile was written by MAN. Maybe he said "Oh god told me this" but ultimately, MEN wrote it. It did not float down from heaven.
Now, brainless christains, I shall show you how LOGIC works.
1)The bible was penned my men.
2)Men are fallible (can make mistakes)
3)Therefore the bible can contain mistakes.
So how can it be the unquestionable word of god (not that he exsists)? Also I will go further in saying that MAN is not only fallible, but often deceptive, and often have AGENDAS.
kaelemelf 3 days ago
@kaelemelf So what's your point, kalelemelf? People are fallible; the books they write--including the Bible--contain mistakes?
I agree. I'm a Christian. So how does this make me "brainless"? I think when you stereotype 2 billion people you do nothing so much as illustrate your own ignorance.
Does people's fallibility mean absolutely everything they say or write is false? Since you are presumptious enough to teach others about logic, can you please explain how that "logic" works?
hanohanonacowboy 3 days ago
@kaelemelf 1. Bible was penned by Men. Yes... and Men was penned by men. Don't you read the milk carton?
2. Men are fallible.... yes... isn't this why we seek for something infallible?
3. The interpretation is limited but the principals are eternal. Infact it's so that we CAN have greater agendas that we seek for something more than what man can offer. Your logic is flawed.
jin2k1 2 days ago
@jin2k1 "Bible was penned by Men. Yes... " and so was the book of mormon. it was penned by martin harris, as dictated by joey "the con" smith, while the illiterate latter stared into a hat, pretending to be orating glowing words off of golden plates, which he was instructed to dig up in the middle of the forest and were never seen by anyone else. if it was written in a children's story, kids would laugh at it as being stupid and silly.
slyjokerg 2 days ago
Tom Hanks wouldn't make such comments IF he had any Mormon friends. They keep to themselves and would only give their opinion or personal feelings about their church only when they are asked about it. The Church and its members also don't advertise their good will to the needy unlike Hollywood.
Rogelle 3 days ago
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@Rogelle: "The Church and its members also don't advertise their good will to the needy..."
-- LOL. A HUGE amount of the tax-exempt money Mormons give to their Church goes to advertising. Just here on YouTube, go to "MormonMessages" and try to watch all the slick ads. I'll contact you next month when you're done with all 745 of them. And don't try commenting on them, as you can on this video. You can't.
hanohanonacowboy 3 days ago
@Rogelle If Mormons spent half the time actually helping others that they spend bragging about how much they help, the world would surely be a better--and quieter--place.
hanohanonacowboy 3 days ago 2
@hanohanonacowboy Only in YOUR world that the Mormons brag about their service to their fellow men.
Rogelle 3 days ago
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@Rogelle "@hanohanonacowboy Only in YOUR world that the Mormons brag about their service to their fellow men." they do it regularly. when criticized for wrong doing, mromons commonly try to deflect and mitigate blame via claims of previous good deeds and past "persecution" OF mormons.
slyjokerg 2 days ago
@hanohanonacowboy jealous...are you? that's okay. There's plenty of room for joining. We don't mind your yapping... it teaches us patience.
jin2k1 2 days ago
@hanohanonacowboy if you spent half the time criticising something you do not know and spent time being serving others... you may not come to that conclusion.
jin2k1 2 days ago
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@jin2k1 "@hanohanonacowboy if you spent half the time criticising something you do not know and spent time being serving others... you may not come to that conclusion." if YOU and your "church" spent your time worrying about yourselves and your own lives instead of trying to impose your cuckoo religious views on everyone else, we wouldn't be having this discussion.
slyjokerg 2 days ago
@Rogelle: "Tom Hanks wouldn't make such comments IF he had any Mormon friends."
-- I have Mormon friends. I make comments like Tom made. Because he is right.
Tom Hanks is Greek Orthodox, but his stepmother was Mormon and Tom attended a Mormon church as a young child. You really ought to try using facts, rather than making up false claims against people whose lives you know nothing about.
hanohanonacowboy 3 days ago
@hanohanonacowboy Right back at you. You KNOW NOTHING ABOUT ME. Capish?
Rogelle 3 days ago
@Rogelle I have not claimed to know anything about you, Rogelle. More to the point, I don't care to know anything about you. But when you make unfounded claims about the man this video is about because YOU don't know anything about him, I will call you out for the liar you are.
hanohanonacowboy 3 days ago
@hanohanonacowboy Just like you're making up 70% here and some percent there. Unless your job is the Accountant of the World, I'm not going to believe your numbers. Do you think the Congressional Budget Office and Obama's Accounting Experts agree on one true number? You are also a LIAR, SO THERE!
Rogelle 3 days ago
@Rogelle Contributions of over $100 to the Prop 8 campaign and to all state propositions are on file with our Secretary of State. Mormons comprised at least 70%, based just on that. Some of that contribution was actually tax-exempt Church funds, not donations from private Mormon citizens.
As a result of lying about their illegal tax-exempt donations, the Mormons became the only church in 162 years of California history to be fined by the state for breaking our election laws. Pathetic.
hanohanonacowboy 3 days ago
@hanohanonacowboy And you personally confirmed the membership of this 70% to the LDS church? And you did this how? By repelling to the temperature-controlled massive caves operated by the evil empire Mormon church that won't share its geneology work with the world? No doubt your own name is there. What is pathetic is you convince yourself that I would agree with your numbers or that I believe what the Secretary of State puts out.
Rogelle 2 days ago
@Rogelle why are you even trying to refute or deny the lds involvement? aren't you proud of it? why run from it?
slyjokerg 2 days ago
@hanohanonacowbows love you anyways... despite the continual wrong info.
jin2k1 2 days ago
@hanohanonacowboy I have mormon friends too... some of them are dorks.. just like the Greek Orthodoxes and the Catholics and hanohanocowboys. But that's probably because we're all human. Just having fun with you hanohano... deep inside I know it's for the love of christ, and the love of your fellow bretherin that fuels you to warn all against the evils... but the mormon's really aren't what you think they are. Infact they're the one of the best Christians you will ever meet. Unlike me.
jin2k1 2 days ago
@jin2k1 "@hano - but the mormon's really aren't what you think they are. Infact they're the one of the best Christians you will ever meet." they are exactly what i think they are, and i have much reason to believe the same for hano's perception. and "best christians" is not only completely subjective, but not remotely an automatic badge of honor. this is especially true when their beliefs cause them to go out of their way to do really deplorable, hurtful, hateful things to people.
slyjokerg 2 days ago
@Rogelle: "They keep to themselves..."
-- If this were true, we would not be having this discussion. Mormons worked very hard and gave huge amounts of cash in order to try to tear apart my family and tens of thousands of other California families. That was the point of Tom Hanks' comments.
"They keep to themselves..." LOL. If only.
hanohanonacowboy 3 days ago
@hanohanonacowboy Not 100% of people who voted are MORMONS. Get that fact straight to your narrow head. NOT ALL Blacks, Whites, Asians, Mormons, Atheists, Muslims are the same. EVEN if you had a twin, you're both NOT ONE AND THE SAME. Intiende?
Rogelle 3 days ago
@Rogelle: "Not 100% of people who voted are MORMONS."
-- That's very true. More's the pity, then, that 70% of the money for the political campaign came from Mormons, over 30 times their percentage of voters. They bought a law, plain and simple.
Rich Mormons paid cold, hard cash to force my church and over 200 others to abandon our marriage sacraments and obey Mormon doctrine.
We're waiting to see if they'll next take up another collection to tell us who we can and can't baptize.
hanohanonacowboy 3 days ago
@hanohanonacowboy "Rich Mormons paid cold, hard cash to force my church and over 200 others to abandon our marriage sacraments and obey Mormon doctrine." no religious marriage sacrament was forcibly abandoned. anything not being conducted religiously is by choice, not force. prop 8 only denies access to state recognition of a particular construct of marriage and doesn't not address religion. but yes, in that realm, everyone is being forced to obey lds doctrine.
slyjokerg 2 days ago
@Rogelle no one said that all the voters were mormon, or even that very many of them were. we all know that they weren't. the lds' campaign of lies and bullshit that promoted prop 8 is what they are culpable for. they ran it, they funded it. and not literally every mormon was in on it, but as a whole they were, and the church ordered its members to behave in the aforementioned manner, promoting their bigoted agenda.
slyjokerg 2 days ago
@hanohanonacowboy and how did they do that? "Hi, we'll give you a million dollars to join the LDS church...?" btw, my younger brother is a huge fan of Tom Hanks... and I personally like Tom Hanks... too bad he misunderstands.
jin2k1 2 days ago
@jin2k1 "and I personally like Tom Hanks... too bad he misunderstands." he doesn't misunderstand anything at all. he knows what the lds did re: prop 8, and he called it an unamerican thing to do. he is right.
slyjokerg 2 days ago
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@Rogelle "Tom Hanks wouldn't make such comments IF he had any Mormon friends. They keep to themselves and would only give their opinion or personal feelings about their church only when they are asked about it." ummmm they didn't keep to themselves at all. that's why this whole issue exists. they weren't asked about. they simply decided to do w/e they could to impose their beliefs on everyone else. and in the usa, we aren't subject to being forced to follow someone else's religion.
slyjokerg 2 days ago
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"WHY I LEFT THE MORMON CHURCH AND BECAME A DAHESHIST: A follower of Dr. Dahesh, the miracle-working Prophet of Lebanon" If you want to read that article send me an email with "Dahesh" in it and I'll send you the article. darrick_evenson AT yahoo DOT c o m
mrdarrickevenson 4 days ago
I'll admit Joseph Smith had to be a smooth-talker, but do we really want someone as President who still believes the weird stuff he tought
DillonDee1 4 days ago
@DillonDee1
Like what?
BeInnocuous 3 days ago
@BeInnocuous --- Mormon scriptures (Doctrine and Covenants, Abraham 3) state that our galaxy contains countless planets either already, or that will soon be, inhabited by human-type life & who will be ruled by MORMON MEN. The #1 planet is Kolob.
If you're male & not Mormon, repent & join the Mormon church now so you can become a God with your own planet to rule
DillonDee1 3 days ago
@DillonDee1
First Kolob is a star not a planet. Abraham 3:2-3 There is nothing about becoming a God with your own planet to rule. Feel free to show me otherwise.
We believe we can become like God as the Bible teaches and that we are gods as the bible teaches. Being a god is not the same as becoming a God.
BeInnocuous 3 days ago
@BeInnocuous "Being a god is not the same as becoming a God." first.. LOLOLOLOLOLOLOL @ that silly hairsplit. second, we are not gods on earth, according to your faith, yet are later, which means at some point we do BECOME gods. "BYU is not an all white school." more bs that attempts to deny the racism of lds past and present.
slyjokerg 2 days ago
@slyjokerg er... hey silly goose for visit BYUH.EDU . BYU IS THE MOST MULTICULTURAL UNIVERSITY ON THE FACE OF THIS PLANET, and the church has WAY MORE MEMBERSHIP OUTSIDE US THAN US.
jin2k1 2 days ago
@jin2k1 -- I believe BYU has about 35,000 students w/ less than 1/2 of !% being black -- Can you name another US college w/ so low a %?
DillonDee1 2 days ago
@DillonDee1 You mean BYU Provo. You may want to check BYU Hawaii where whites are a minority. BTW, PROVO demographically speaking has majority whites to begin with.
jin2k1 2 days ago
@jin2k1 -- I never said anything about minorities b/c the Mormon Church has been welcoming to several minorities -- they just dont like blacks very much
But dont deny your Church's history --embrace it, love it, live with it
DillonDee1 2 days ago
@jin2k1 "You may want to check BYU Hawaii where whites are a minority." LOLOLOLOLOLOL @ the dodging and game playing. the lds is VERY VERY white, but i find it comical that, presuming your hawaii implication is even true, that you point to an area that is largely other than white FOR finding people that aren't white. LOLOLOLOLOL. do you point to the vatican for predominantly catholic people? wow. what an amazing coincidence.
slyjokerg 2 days ago
@jin2k1 LMAO. do you know any actual facts? ANY? byu is made up almost exclusively of mormons. and where you got "byu is the most multicultural university on the face of this planet," i have to assume, is your asshole. LMAO. what a lunatic. go actually learn something. and btw, byu has censorship as a part of its rules of attendance. no one can say anything the church doesn't like. it is just an arm of the lds cult.
slyjokerg 2 days ago
@slyjokerg
I think you should read the Bible... It teaches that the children of God are gods.
Do me a favor and watch the next televised BYU sports game and tell me that all of them are white or even LDS.
BeInnocuous 2 days ago
@BeInnocuous "I think you should read the Bible..." i have, thanks. and no, it doesn't say that people are gods. it says there is only one god. and i didn't say that byu doesn't allow black students today. i scoffed at the claim that byu has never been racist. and the student body being lds is true to the degree that the % is in the upper 90s.
slyjokerg 2 days ago
@slyjokerg
John 10:35 Jesus clearly states that all that receive the word of God are gods. You need to stop looking at it in a closed minded English only context. That is ignorant.
BeInnocuous 2 days ago
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@BeInnocuous "John 10:35 Jesus clearly states that all that receive the word of God are gods. You need to stop looking at it in a closed minded English only context. That is ignorant." LMAO. closed minded english? LOLOL. in other words, it means w/e the fuck you say it does. 1 timothy 2:5, "For there is one God and one mediator between God and mankind, the man Christ Jesus". ONE GOD, asshole. LOL. at best you are only demonstrating the MASSIVE inconsistency/contradictions of the bible.
slyjokerg 2 days ago
@DillonDee1 Er... I DID think about buying some land on the moon when it was being auctioned for sale. Not sure if ruling the planet is a bad thing.. heck... if we can live a billion years or more in the next world... WHY NOT?? PS: Ruling worlds is not for everyone. I'll stick with gardening and start giving life to my tomatoes first.
jin2k1 2 days ago
Gay marriage is a joke and if all these so called "Christians would read the Bible then they would see that, GOD IS NOT DOWN WITH HOMOSEXUAL ACTS!!! And how does jin2k1 know what happened in the Provo Temple? were you there? I didn't think so. Jews Didn't believe Christ was or is the Savior, bad news for you, no can get to God accept through Jesus Christ. If Anne Frank still doesn't believe Jesus is the Christ then she won't care if Mormons are doing her work for her cause she's NOT going to God
andychanny 4 days ago
@andychanny: "GOD IS NOT DOWN WITH HOMOSEXUAL ACTS!!!"
-- The law the Mormons bought is not about homosexual acts. There are already homosexual Americans. Millions of them. They are your neighbors and they are citizens every bit as surely as you are.
The ONLY question is whether you are so much better than these neighbors of yours that you deserve special legal rights that should be denied to them.
You are not.
hanohanonacowboy 4 days ago
@andychanny it isn't your business, nor anyone else's, if some dead person "goes to god." you are creepy, arrogant freaks that need to keep your noses on your faces. and prop 8 has nothing to do with homosexual acts. it is 100% about denying access to governmental marriage recognition. and it matters 0 that you think "god is not down with homosexual acts." the issue is legal, not religious. no one has to live via someone else's religious assertions/beliefs.
slyjokerg 2 days ago
@slyjokerg you're right... there was a tone of arrogance in andy's tone.. but cannot blame her seeing the tones that's been put out by the anti-mormons on this site. Regardless, from a legal standpoint the act is only against marriage recognition, and for good reasons. 97%+ of gays are non-biological and decisions are made based on the balance of society. Population growth and phychological development of children raised under mixed gender parents needs impose a neccessity worth supporting.
jin2k1 2 days ago
keep in mind however, human rights will always preveil regardless of gender. Is this not just?
jin2k1 2 days ago
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@jin2k1 "keep in mind however, human rights will always preveil regardless of gender. Is this not just?" you are speaking against yourself now. "human rights will prevail" is something that supporters of equal rights are looking to, you dope. what human right is it that you think gives you the authority to discriminate against gay people? what does gay people having equal rights take away from you?
slyjokerg 2 days ago
@jin2k the "anti-mormonism," at least from me, is a direct result of something unconscionable they did that harms other people for no reason at all. i don't blindly attack them simply for being mormon, other than to shake my head at the insane, childish beliefs themselves. i don't give a shit about anyone's religion, so long as it doesn't affect others that don't care to partake. sadly, that is not terribly common in the practice of religion in general. there are almost always imposition tries.
slyjokerg 2 days ago
@jin2k1 none of the bs you just spewed about banning gay marriage access makes any sense or holds any water. gay people are already gay, live in gay relationships, have gay sex, have and raise children... LEGALLY. and no one gay or straight has any obligation to procreate, and there is no prerequisite for it in any marriage law. no one is required to raise their child in any household dynamic. denying access to marriage recognition doesn't change anything. it is simply faux superiority.
slyjokerg 2 days ago
@andychanny I don't know where andy channy is coming from... it's probably the language barrier. Anyways, your comment is rude and condescending...there's no condescending tone in LDS teachings about homosexuality. However they certainly do not encourage it.
jin2k1 2 days ago
@jin2k1: "there's no condescending tone in LDS teachings about homosexuality."
-- LOL. Official LDS advice for gay Mormon kids:
1. Keep the commandments and ordinances (i.e. become a eunuch your whole life OR marry a person for whom you have no sexual attraction).
2. After death, ask Heavenly Father for your new "perfect" (i.e. heterosexual) body.
3. Live happily ever after.
4. In other words: "Hurry up and die."
No wonder there's such a high suicide rate in Utah.
hanohanonacowboy 2 days ago
@jin2k1 "there's no condescending tone in LDS teachings about homosexuality". again, .... LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL. ummm, condemning homosexuals as being of a lesser "lifestyle" is about as condescending as something can get. you are no better than anyone else, despite your arrogant desire to think you are. in fact, there is much basis to assert YOU are lesser by virtue of what your faith causes you to do to other people.
slyjokerg 2 days ago
You people don't know anything about "Mormons" you don't know where the name "Mormon" even came from! "Mormons" are very American! The Mormon battalion was the first group of armed men in the state of Utah to ever raise a rifle in the Civil War! The "Mormon" Battalion eventually became the Utah Army National Guard! And to the ignorant idiot named jin2k1 below: Mormons don't force their members or neighbors to do anything. Your church is so divided into all these different sects it's a joke!!
andychanny 4 days ago
@andychanny: "You people don't know anything about "Mormons" you don't know where the name "Mormon" even came from!"
-- I know everything I need to know about Mormons. I know they are dangerous religious extremists who used big buckets of cash to remove basic civil rights from their neighbors.
I don't give a rat's ass where their name comes from. I only care that they have done great harm to my family and that I will do whatever I can to keep them from harming us any more.
hanohanonacowboy 4 days ago 4
@andychanny nothing any mormon ever did in the past excuses doing something horrible now. you don't get a free pass because of some supposed good deed being banked. and..."Mormons don't force their members or neighbors to do anything." demonstrates that you are oblivious to what the issue here is. the mormons are/were responsible for prop 8's passage. prop 8 forces people to live under lds doctrine re: marriage recognition.
slyjokerg 2 days ago
Fuck Mormons. It says in the bible to not add to the bible. That is what they did. Fuck there false prophet.
RayWlllaimJohnson 4 days ago
@RayWlllaimJohnson Hey idiot, It says that twice in the Bible, so who ever added to it after the the final book of Moses they are going to hell...so that means, Jeremiah, Paul, Peter, John, even the whole book of Psalms is false according to you...you really should read the Bible on your own instead of having your weak influences try to tell you what is says. Cause they don't know what is says either.
andychanny 4 days ago
@andychanny I'm taking it that you are a mormon? It says in the way end of the bible to not add to it. Also, there is no prophets after Jesus.
RayWlllaimJohnson 4 days ago
@RayWlllaimJohnson no it doesn't it says quote 'away from this book', meaning the book of revelation not the entire bible. And since you're so knowledgeable in the scriptures/bible please quote for me where it says there are to be no more prophets after Jesus
Euthyphro002 4 days ago
@andychanny
RayWlllaimJohnson hasn't a clue to what he's talking about.
KMartin730 4 days ago
@RayWlllaimJohnson It does not say " to not add to the bible"...Go back and read it again. Plus... you have a lot of nerve talking about the Bible and using language like that
KMartin730 4 days ago
@KMartin730 Read the way end. It's there. Now please go read the real bible and not the moron...sorry, mormon bible.
RayWlllaimJohnson 4 days ago
@RayWlllaimJohnson I did....YOU go back and read it
KMartin730 4 days ago
@RayWlllaimJohnson
Unless I missed something.....No one ADDED anything to the *Book* of Revelations.
KMartin730 4 days ago
@RayWlllaimJohnson Er, by the way... Ray. We have the same bible you do.
jin2k1 2 days ago
@RayWlllaimJohnson er.. You're talking about a verse written in John... what about the other books written after it? it's still in the bible.... speaking of which, a bible is a compilation of records, notes etc that was canonized by the Catholic church as to oppose any differences in viewpoints. That being said, the book of mormon is a record of a civilization that existed in the ancient americas. It does not go against the bible. Infact it teaches that all mankind must come to Christ.
jin2k1 2 days ago
@jin2k1 "the book of mormon is a record of a civilization that existed in the ancient americas." no, it isn't. it is a cartoonish fable concocted by a charlatan.
slyjokerg 2 days ago
This is a retarded show.People will become retarded if they watch this stupid show often.
frankielee77 4 days ago
@frankielee77
The Mormons are clearly brainwashed assholes ,but let's not start using hate speech eh?
asubjectiveopinion 4 days ago
@asubjectiveopinion it seems clear that you're the brainwashed idiot who knows nothing about the mormons...but I probably won't use the hate speech either...
jin2k1 2 days ago
@jin2k1
Passive aggressive much?
asubjectiveopinion 2 days ago
well said tom hanks they are unamerican and theere laeder was also a peadophile he marries a 13 year old
theblob34 5 days ago
@theblob34 er.. that's the wrong religion. (You're talking about the 're-organized church') but don't blame you.. look how many idiots there are in this forum who pretends to know something. Confusing isn't it...
jin2k1 2 days ago
worst liberal bias if i ever saw it.......
TheBeatleboy15 5 days ago
A MorMon calls me THE ANTICHRIST.......WHILE WORSHIPPING A CREEP WHO AMASSED HUNDREDS OF MILLIONS OF DOLLARS IN HIS OWN NAME. HOW CHRISTIAN IS THAT FOLKS? THE FREAKEY GREEDY PEOPLE MUST BE STOPPED BY THOSE OF US WHO VALUE HUMANITY, JUSTICE, AND OUR FELLOW HUMAN BEINGS. ROMNEY VALUES FILTHY LUCRE LIKE ALL THE REST AND FALLS BACK ON A DELUSIONAL WORLD VIEW DENOUNCED AS INSANE BAFFLEGAB BY ANYONE WITH AN EDUCATION AND BRAIN - BUT DON'T LISTEN TO ME - I AM THE ANTICHRIST, I ADMIT IT...SEND MONEY....
SmileyGarrish 5 days ago
@SmileyGarrish I don't call you the antichrist buddy... maybe an idiot..but surely not an antichrist. BTW if you're talking about Joseph Smith... he was actually quite poor.
jin2k1 2 days ago
Tom Hanks is agood actor
ranchnugget 5 days ago
Mormonism like all religions is a load of crap . That said Tom Hanks is a doushebag .
imN0Ttheone 5 days ago
@imN0Ttheone and you're a load of crap. That said, your father is a doushebag.
jin2k1 5 days ago
@jin2k1 Coming from a gook homosexual thats funny
imN0Ttheone 5 days ago
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jin2k1 5 days ago
@imN0Ttheone Lol.... now you're a racist and a discriminatory . Bring it on~ pea brain.
jin2k1 5 days ago
@jin2k1 Gook fag would be an accurate discription of you . Sorry but since you're not an American no one cares what you have to say .
imN0Ttheone 5 days ago
@imN0Ttheone 1. I AM an American. 2. I am bigger and stronger than you 3. I'm obviously smarter than you. 4. My voice is obviously heard, since you're replying to it. 5. You are an insecure poor excuse of a man and disgrace to the nation. You make people like us who are decent and respectful towards others really look bad.
jin2k1 5 days ago
@jin2k1 You're just a gook homosexual lol
imN0Ttheone 4 days ago
that's okay dear... mental retardation isn't sin.
jin2k1 2 days ago
@jin2k1 As an atheist you can't imagine how glad i am to hear that . LOL Stunned faggot .
imN0Ttheone 2 days ago
@imN0Ttheone "That said Tom Hanks is a doushebag (sic)." on what do you base that opinion?
slyjokerg 5 days ago
Mormonism provides an extreme example of religious hysteria and psychopathology: See below.
The modern world is laughing at America, and these people, but it is not funny, just scary.
SmileyGarrish 5 days ago
@SmileyGarrish You're neither funny nor scray. Just weird.
jin2k1 2 days ago
laughing at these peoples ignorance towards Mormons -_- its funny how many lies are made.
nightfirewarrior 6 days ago
@nightfirewarrior "its funny how many lies are made." what lies? and how do they apply to what the mormons did re: prop 8?
slyjokerg 5 days ago
Mormonism is disgusting, the practice of Baptism of the Dead is unspeakably insulting to the memory of the people concerned, the idea of posthumously converting victims of the holocaust is one of the most sickening things I have ever heard.
Not to mention the Smithist's attitude to black people, the rituals "borrowed" from freemasonry, the dubious 19th century racial theories about first nations people "borrowed" from the British Israel movement and the antics of the con-man joseph Smith.
Toss!
asubjectiveopinion 6 days ago
@asubjectiveopinion 1. Baptism for the dead is a ritual to honor the dead, and give opportunities to those who have never had the chance to know the gospel in the afterlife. It is done with the greatest level of respect, and there are those in the temple who have seen the spirit waiting to be called. My grandmother was one of them... no one remembers the dead... but we do, because heavenly father is god of the dead and the living.
2.
jin2k1 5 days ago
2. The Free Mason's rituals originated from Solomon's temple where the builders (the masons) were the only ones who had access other than the high priests. They recorded the proceedings. The records were later takeby the Masons. The similarities found between Solomon's temple only demonstrates how closely accurate the mormons are to the original source. BTW Most American policital figures are part of the Masons. It's not a religious group..it's a fraternity group like the boyscouts.
jin2k1 4 days ago
@jin2k1 to follow the history, find the linkage between the Crusades - invasion of the muslim nations - England - formation of the Masons.
jin2k1 4 days ago
@jin2k1: "BTW Most American policital figures are part of the Masons."
-- This is laughably false. Give evidence or admit you just made it up.
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"It's not a religious group..it's a fraternity group like the boyscouts."
-- The Freemasons are indeed a religious group, as are the Boy Scouts. Candidates for regular Freemasonry are required to declare a belief in a Supreme Being. The Boy Scouts of America requires a belief in God for membership.
hanohanonacowboy 4 days ago
@hanohanonacowboy 1. I was a Mason before joining the LDS faith. 2. I was a boyscout. 3. The Boy Scouts of America does NOT require a belief in God for membership...unless you're talking about the whole constitution having been set up by a Christian, in which case you can argue that seeing that the entire US constitution was set up by Christians that every american must be a christian.
jin2k1 2 days ago
@jin2k1: "The Boy Scouts of America does NOT require a belief in God"
"The Boy Scouts of America maintains that no member can grow into the best kind of citizen without recognizing an obligation to God. In the first part of the Scout Oath or Promise the member declares, 'On my honor I will do my best to do my duty to God and my country and to obey the Scout Law.’" --Bylaws of the Boy Scouts of America, Declaration of Religious Principle.
hanohanonacowboy 2 days ago
@jin2k1 LMAO. you are an outright idiot/liar. the boy scouts 100% does require belief in god for membership. you are either lying about that very fact, or about being a boy scout. and the comparison to the us constitution is laughably faulty. the constitution specifically forbids religious mandates. btw the scout oath contains: "To do my duty to God..." CONT...
slyjokerg 2 days ago
@slyjokerg Where did I lie? I know you are the liar.
LDS4Life71 2 days ago