Yes. Demonstrating that the Bible IS immoral and unjust. Everyone is judged regardless of what they may have done. Everyone is BORN guilty. The ONLY unforgivable sin is NOT begging for forgiveness for being born exactly how God made us.
1. Atheism isn't rejecting god, Atheism is rejecting the claims about god.
2. Again, the Atheist experience show isn't against god. It's a response to attacks by people infringing on the rights of people who doesn't share their beliefs.
3. Omnipotence is a contradiction and a logical fallacy and thus no being can be omnipotence.
4. The bible is a poor source for morality, because you and me and almost everyone on the planet is morally superior to the biblical god.
Its trues those guy are making many claims all the time. They preach ther views like it defintely true and expect everyone to embrace them readily.... these guys on that show are radical atheists.........a commical and hippocritical group of people.
No, they aren't making claims. You're totally not getting the point of the show, which is to dispell myths about what atheism is. It's rejecting a claim that was originally made by theists, that's it. They may venture into other areas of general skepticism or defending science against the misinformation of creationists, but that's about it. All that stems from the rejection of theistic claims of a supernatural deity.
cause from the bible you can infer that god impregnated a woman with a child that was himself(him because he has a penis), so that he could sacrifice himself to himself, so that the blood sacrifice would motivate him to forgive us for offenses we hadn't even committed yet(as we weren't even born for over 1900 years)
isn't it simpler to forgive because you want to forgive? no blood sacrifices required?
guilty of what? when you accuse someone they can be guilty or not-guilty. if you dont accuse people of SOMETHING they cannot be guilty, you need ot be guilty OF SOMETHING.
by "are you guilty?" do you mean "have you done anything morally wrong in your life?"?
"you screwed him over"
when and how exacly did i screw god over?? he(apparently god has a penis) has never even talked to me in a way i can understand, how can i possibly have screwed him over????
By your standards God is the most guilty of all. He killed everyone in the world except for 8 people on the ark. He is a mass murderer with the largest body count. Who judges him?
You ask if I'm guilty of something, by christian standards I was born guilty and have to ask to be saved. If I was born guilty than God would have made me that way. If there is a creator of the universe, I would not expect him to be so petty, arrogant and short tempered. You would treat your pets better than that.
Of course none of us are perfect, but where does God come into any of this?
If God can forgive any crime other than disbelief, then disbelief is the only crime that really matters. He cares nothing for what the murder rapist Christian did, because he's a believer. The atheist victim, on the other hand is damned because she is guilty of the only eternal crime: not believing in God.
the point matt was making is that the WORST sin is disbelief. its worse than murder and rape combined, hence the "saved" rapist going to heaven and the skeptical rape VICTIM not going. that is immoral, i dont care if god says otherwise.
and how can you ask someone if they are guilty but not specify of what? makes no sense bro.
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Its more then that There are over 300 prophecys that have come true.End time prophecys are being fufilled daily this year. The book ezekiel prodicts the exact year that Isreal would become a nation in 1948. The shroud of turin was re-examined by peer view scientist and not only did they say that there is nothing on earth like it but they found Isreal coin impressions and a galexy in the 3d image they also confermed that it was from the time that christ lived
@ada2step There are over 300 prophecys that have come true BULLSHIT. End time prophecys are being fufilled daily this year.BS The book ezekiel prodicts the exact year that Isreal would become a nation in 1948.SHOW THE EVIDENCE! The shroud of turin was re-examined by peer view scientist MORE BS!
Matt was not presupposing the existence of your god. He was humoring you, in order to proceed with a conversation intended to expose the absurdity of your claims.
Yeah I'm going to go ahead and let you know, you are running the classic arguments which have been put down numerous times.
Your 'are you guilty' question has nothing to do with whether a God exists. The problem of evil is much more complex that guilt, and even if it wasn't, why should we suppose that everyone is guilty enough to be punished with eternal torment?
Are you guilty? Assuming the Judao-Christian God exists, it doesn't matter if you've done anthing wrong or not. The concept of original sin, guarantees that newborn babies are every bit as guilty as the rapist in your story. It's this indiscretion on God's part that's so appalling.
The technique you're using here is very similar to the manipulation that Ray Comfort uses. By tearing someone down (with their guilt) you seek to fill that gap with your belief. It's quite immoral.
I think you might be overstating the concept of weak atheism. Even as a believer in weak atheism, it's possible to respond very strongly to outrageous claims. A claim in God is simply outrageous.
What claims are they making? You don't even mention one.
Where in the bible does it say God doesn't like rape? I'm pretty sure he's pro-rape.
And no! He can't judge me and decide to torture me for eternity, simply because I'm not convinced he's real, with out looking like a complete monster. Parents who do that to their children are arrested. If God were a human, he would be a criminal.
If by "judge," you mean "torture eternally, and identically to all who have not followed a specific ritual unrelated to their sins, while letting ALL who have done so join him in paradise," then no. He does not have that right.
Since when do mafia bosses pay for YOUR debts. Mafia bosses give you loans and they use those loans to get favors out of you. If you don't repay them, they kill you.
the thing with the outspoken atheist that live like its a claim of non-existance is that they are being oppressed in their rights with anti-abortion laws and laws against homosexuality, just to name a few. their outspokenedness comes as a response to social attacks.
in your analogy, if the guy is not guilty and is attacked on the streets by people who claim he is, then he WOULD be justified to go on TV and make a show on why he is not guilty and why it matters.
You should work this "guilty" issue, dude. If you presupose you are guilty of things, you may not live a full life. What I mean is, everybody does bad things. But it is not about being guilty. It is just about, when you screw up (and it is nothing bad beyond fixing) you go there and fix it. And this is about th minor screw ups in life, which you feel so guilty about. When it comes to big screw ups, let the law handle it. Simple and unpainful.
At 7:33 that is where you are in error. I never asked for *anybody* to pay my debts for me. Jesus just did it on his own and then told me I was in his debt. What if I were to do that to you? What if I were to buy you a nice beautiful car, whether you asked for it or not, and then I proclaimed that you owed me money, and if you didn't pay, I would kick your ass? This is exactly what Christianity attempts to do. I never ate of the forbidden fruit, I don't owe your god jack.
Admitting to being guilty doesn't concede any other point. You are making it seem that having done something wrong or been wronged = sin. STRAWMAN alert.
can't the mafia boss just not break your legs and say your dept is paid?
the scenario is "believe in my god, or you are going to hell" if you choose not to believe, can't an omnipotent being just say "okay im not going to send you to hell, you are forgiven"?
why the are you thinking about this stupid fuckin question for you or any body it will never be answered by either side none of you truthfully know, all I have to say is, I wasn't born into sin, I have done bad and good thing and always would like to do good all the time, but it isn't poss. hereok foolass, to just say god did it, because nothing else matters or they just ignore you when you speak is fuckin ignorace blantant plain and simple so theres no talking to yall fuck religion all of them
I would categorize atheism as disbelief or counter belief. Atheism on it's own can't survive. If there was no concept of god there would not be atheism as they would not even have an agenda. They are metaphorically speaking busting a closed case (cause people believe in god) open because new material ('critical thinking') has surfaced. It's not a belief or a negative per say. It's something in a whole other category.
If you are an atheist you are making a claim that the theist arguments are not valid, thats your claim. Without the theist arguments the conclusion that god exists would not be. Atheists wouldnt be talking about how god does not exist unless there were claims that god does exist. Its not atheists going from neutral to offensive. If you claim that something does really exist and i dont agree because of your weak argumentation i naturally attack your arguments, god is not obvious so back it up.
If we presuppose the Christian God he created us sick and commanded us to be better, and it was only through his scape goat of a human sacrifice we could be forgiven for the original sin I did not commit. Yes, I've done many things wrong, but the sin I was apparently CREATED with was not my own, and that is why I need Jesus. The first sin I need healing of is apparently not my own. So yes, I am guilty, but not of the Original Sin I apparently need Jesus to heal me of.
dude i can do the same fucking thing.....are you innocent.....seriously are ou innocent....because if your not your just like every human being and no amount of praying and repents to an invisible sky daddy is going to make it better in the real world....live YOUR life for YOU and stop worrying about wether or not your guilty man seriously were all human and weve all done bad things....so what...
also, your saying he has the right to judge you if your guilty, what gives him the right to judge us by his immoral standards?? just because hesmore powerful?? might doesnt make right :P
i just realised why all these religious videos get so many dislikes opposesd to likes. Its because most christians wont find videos like this, because most of them dont want to examine their beliefs :)
Have you ever listened to anything atheists say? We are not making claims, we are dismantling and debunking claims of religions. Only claims we make are about the likelihood of the existence of some specified or unspecified god or gods. By the way your 'Matt are you guilty' sounds very much like scientology. Also mafia bosses have no right to break anyones legs in spite of their depts and your ending just made you sound stupid.
How do you stand up against any concept you don't believe, without making claims to the contrary? Of course atheists have to make claims in order to put across their ideas. So yes, non-belief is also belief of a sort. There is no avoiding that. As far as guilt, sin is a Bible notion. Right and wrong is something different. The morality I learned at my mother's knee tells me when I'm going wrong and so it is with most people. You have an inner moral compass. Use it and you won't go wrong.
You must already be filled with doubt, since you seem to be so alarmed and upset over the fact that a few people dare to say that they don't believe in god.
Way to go dude! Atheists won't understand because they don't know God and they don't know sin because they are blind. I don't mean this in a condescending way, just in a truthful way.
@xchampx So you're going for this "1 god" over say Dyonisis, Shiva, Ju Ju of the Jungle and about 50,000 others. Seems a bit bigoted and narrow minded to ignore all those other deities, after all you don't have any evidence to suggest this one is the one true god over all those others. Seems like an awful gamble to me.
Guilty of what? By your logic, just because I'm alive, I am guilty and deserve punishment from god, forever. But somehow the murdering rapist can be forgiven in a snap and live for eternity in heaven. This is what you propose?
Both Hitchens & Matt have made the same argument that god does not have the right to judge us.He created this game against our will and would be unjust in judging us based on his arbitrary standards.
To the point about the rapist.I think the point was to demonstrate that the Judeo-christian god is fundamentally Unjust (therefore self-contradictory) because he rewards credulity and punishes skepticism.
People who are not guilty are not demonized but atheists are demonized so atheists are simply doing public relations. There are no dead Christians in foxholes who did not pray. I made that statement to show you how it is to be other end of intolerance.
The point that Matt makes is that the Judeo-Christian god is immoral and that you are not guilty of immoral judgements of god. You can't say that everything
god does is moral simply because you define god as unquestionably always right.
Basically, what you're saying is that the party who believes in not-guilty aren't making a show of it, but they are. They don't use not-guilty, they use Innocent. If I do not commit a crime, I am innocent of that crime. If someone makes a claim that I committed a crime that I did not, I will protest till I'm blue in the face that I am INNOCENT.
That's what Atheists do. You are making a claim about a god, and we're saying no.
that is the most stupid question in the world cuz every 1 knows im not guilty of anything but seriously you have to specify what we might be guilty of and your interpretation of god is illogical and down right insulting to any 1 with intelegence no he has no right to judge me before he judges and punishes himself for thousands of years of torture rape homocide genocide slavery and disease think about that
Let's presuppose that "Gazoo" (of Flinstones fame) is God. Does he have the right to judge you?
Are we guilty? Sure, we're guilty of being born human. Does that mean that I should have to pay the price of eternal torture because I don't accept a claim for which there is no evidence of?
This video is two years old, so I'd like to ask @vbfl920 if you're still in the same place about these questions? Or have you come to understand Matt's position, and the atheist position in general, on these issues? (i.e., "god has no right to judge me" and so on). It's clear from this video that you didn't understand/listen to Matt's actual position on God & judgment, but I'm curious where you stand/what you think about this today.
Sooo.... if I've ever done anything wrong, I deserve to be in horrible agony for eternity because I am incapable of believing in god's zombie puppet son? Credulity versus incredulity is the only determinant of god's judgement? Hitler's in heaven while the jews he murdered are roasting away? Yeah, some morality.
If your main complaint is that there is a cable access show in Austin Texas that is atheist, as opposed to 1 million plus churches, 5-10 full time cable networks, and countless christian rock album spreading "the word," that's pretty much bullshit.
I know it's an old video but like Matt said, we don't believe in Big Foot but if there were a majority of people believing in it and making laws about it and trying to teach Big Foot in school and making wars endorsed by Big Foot, then there would be TV shows dedicated to discussing this issue. The show isn't about stating that god does not exist, it's about discussing the fact that people do believe god exists without evidence and acting based on that. Hope that clears things up.
As far as Matt's claim about innocence and no need to prove it I am kind of disappointed. First of all, if he is basing his argument on OUR legal system of innocent until proven guilty. If innocence required no proof at all, then there would never have been need of what is known as an alibi, which is a proof of innocence.
@smawshot What? An alibi is a defense strategy, it is not proof of innocence. In the court of law, nothing PROVES innocence, the prosecution either establishes guilt beyond a reasonable doubt, or does not.
@PaleHorseWC2 Again, you basing that argument upon a modern legal system of innocent until proven guilty, Alibi was a method of proving innocence in rome, hence the translation "I was not there" and if such was unnecessary then it wouldn't have been needed ever. Second of all, not all atheists are mere skeptics in actuality but do hide behind that stance when questioned. To take a stance of "I am not convinced" "I don't believe" is different than "I believe not" and "I am convinced not"
@smawshot I don't care, nor do I think anybody cares about original usage and translations, when we are using the much more practical example of the modern US legal system. I only disagree with your claiming that if innocence needed no proof, you don't need an alibi. Plenty of cases are defended with no reasonable alibi, look at the Casey Anthony case. The lawyer throws up a bullshit flak screen large enough, the jury doesn't have to buy it, just not be convinced entirely.
@PaleHorseWC2 It is your assumption that the modern us legal system is the determining method of what is true or untrue is where it falls apart. we aren't in court nor is the legal system an absolute so cherry picking an analogy doesn't validate it in the least. claiming that innocence needs no proof only follows an assumption, explain how that assumption is correct first or any assumption can be used and you definitely wouldn't like the results of that.
@smawshot The analogy of the court system and innocence until proven guilty is used with the atheist logical viewpoint that a negative cannot be proven, and that the prosecution (theist) must prove their positive position (existence of god(s)), or else the default judgement of not guilty (skepticism/atheism) must be ruled. I am no lawyer, so I know little of the finer points of various legal systems, but I see no flaw in this particular train of logic on the grounds that innocent until (cont)
@smawshot proven guilty is somehow an improper assumption compared to (?). I don't see how this analogy fails to convey the claim+evidence=accept claim | claim+no evidence=do not accept claim train of logic. The fault to be had with the alibi is that it in itself is a claim, of innocence, and needs evidence, which is irrelevant to the court's position as to innocent until proven guilty.
@PaleHorseWC2 What you don't get is the very simplicity of it. We aren't in court, and we aren't in a modern courtroom debating the issue. So to play the "it doesn't work that way in a contemporary US courtroom" has no bearing. Innocence has its proofs, alibi is a proof of innocence whether you like it or not. So to claim that innocence needs to warrant no proof is already telling of something different than the fact of the matter.
@smawshot You cannot logically prove a negative. They who makes a claim supports the claim or the claim is unfounded. I do not have to prove that such a claim is unfounded. If you cannot see the parallel between this principle of reasoning and the established system of determining truths in a logical manner - regardless of the usage of a particular defensive strategy - an alibi is evidence to a claim, and as such is subject to all skepticism of evidence. An alibi thats a lie is proof of nothing.
@PaleHorseWC2 How can you not prove a negative. Are you sure you are speaking correctly or do you just want to pass the buck? If I can name a negative that is logically proven what would that then mean to you?
@smawshot By proving a negative in this context means to provide evidence as to disbelief. A common example used is "Do you believe in pixel fairies?" Answer is usually negative, "No." Asking one to prove a negative would be something like "Okay, well prove there are no pixel fairies." Such it is impossible, but so is expecting someone to believe the claim in pixel fairies, while providing no evidence for, while expecting evidence against.
Let me start of by saying your logic is flawed, and I'll get to right where that is: you get to the heart of the matter at around the 5:40 point with your question about guilt, and you followed by saying, and I paraphrase, you "knew your own guilt before needing the Bible to tell you so."
So, If that is the case you need not presuppose any godly being, you've already shown your morality comes from some place else.
They normally simply ask "what do you believe and why?". Then they inevitably demonstrate the inability of theists to rationalise their own claims. Hence, like me, they remain atheists.
my general point is...it doesnt matter if a god exists or not...the institution of religions have no RIGHT to claim something that they cannot know exists...and when the day comes, if it does, that god does exist in the UNLIKELY accuracy of say the bible accounts of him...then awareness will be absolute...people will have to oppose or become slaves...i rather oppose a tyrant, and hope to be allowed to state my reasons to such a god as to why i oppose slavery, rape,and killing people on demand
MOST IMPORTANTLY no existing entity has a right to judge anything as if they are more superior, That is a HUMAN trait, we like to pretend we are god and to know what a god is..existance creates a cause and effect method upon other entities..a mishap of playing in our backyard pool, breaking it and Flooding a colony of ants out of their home is not deemed as a problem to us, but the ants may disagree, we dont seem to disagree if "acts of god happen"
if a person can't possibly know something, thats not weak...it is weak to give into an answer of "infinity" or judge existance as if time exists or gives a shit about human perceptions...that places a pre-conception on theists that we are important as humans, and have the rights to create and play god with "lesser species" dictating to them if they can and cannot mate, what they can and cannot due with a pretense of thinking we know whats is best for them
what about the rapist/murders who do not feel guilty about what they have done and only want to do it again and again.Where there is no guilt can there be no punishment by GOD?
If you're saying that rape, murder and torture is on the same level than stealing a candy as a kid, and you are even though you're saying you're not, you're insane. God should punish the rapist, but if he converts, he won't. On the other hand if you live your life helping others and doing as little "sin" as you can but don't believe, you go to hell.
God is the most sadistic, bigoted and insecure monster to ever have risen from the terrible thing that is human imagination. And you worship him?!?
I went and looked up the episode you called in on, and I picked you out from your argument of, "You have a show called the atheist experience, so you're making a claim."
Matt explained to you why this isn't so, and you even said "Ok, I can accept that."
So the fact that you're coming on here, and restating the same friggen argument is, in my opinion, completely dishonest.
No, they don't make claims, the show's purpose is thus - "We would like to show theist viewers what atheism is, as well as show atheist viewers that they are not alone."
That's it. Theist callers come in with their "proofs" for god, and the hosts debunk the "proofs". That's it really.
Also, your question is so fucking vague and convoluted it's rediculous. So guilty/not? Not applicable.
And yes, the Judeo christian god, should he exist, can judge me, but he can be a douche about it.
and a final thought... a religion which is based on the punishment of human natural desire of knowledge, its natural curiosity, its just messed up. The whole tree of knowledge prohibited fruit tale is a great example of what kind of religion you follow... the application of this thought (during the dark ages) reveals the degree of corruption and desire of power and manipulation the church as a structural institution has always seek... thank god (jeje) this power has been deminished
first of all, why would you presuppose anything... i would go out on a limb (acknowledging I might be wrong) and say you don't do that in any othre aspect of your life... but you're willing to do so when it comes to religion and god... why? this is your first mistake... second; even if i were to grant you the existance of your judeo-christian god, the answer to your question will be NO. I will not be judge by this being of yours. If the bible is a hi-fi account of this being (continue)
@JuanAndreful (continue) its quite clear to me his moral compass is broken, and no one in its right mind will allow to be judge by such a character... would you? a clear example of this is christian fundamentalists (who at least are honest enough to follow the preachings of their sacred book... as wrong as they are)... would you allow wacko Phelps judge you? i doubt this. following the morals of your sacred book he is correct. (continue)
@JuanAndreful (continue) and its quite clear to a lot of us that no one in ots right mind will allow to be judge my the morals of Phelps (would you?)... and as said before, he is following quite strictly your god's word... have you read your bible? are you one of those who cherry picks what to follow and what to dismiss? As crazy as it it, christian fundamentalists are honest in how they conduct and construct their moral system. So, in short, NO I would not be judge by your god...
There's not much I can say that wouldn't echo much of what has already been directed toward your request. But I will say that you are truly brainwashed. I hope you get better. Of course, I won't be praying for you, but I do hope that you realize the error of your reasoning. It's really sick, you know?
If God has a right to judge you merely because you are guilty, then anyone has the right to judge you. But this really misses the greater point which is that God is judging someone and not forgiving them because he has not "confessed" or because he didn't believe in God during his life, THAT is the problem. Like the example Matt used, it would be wrong for God to say the rapist is forgiven simply because of his religious beliefs and the victim is not forgiven because of hers. That is immoral.
They responded to your claims, and tried to point out why your claims are not based on reason but likely emotional ones with no factual basis. They did this in varied ways. They didn't push their agenda on you, you called them and they pointed out why your claims are false. They are responding to a large number of claims by theists and saying "We don't believe you, prove it" and everyone who calls in can't. They make no claims, they are pointing out a vast array of false claims people cling to.
I'll try and clarify for you. The show is to promote awareness of what an atheist is, and to promote the separation of church and state. They also respond to callers who want more information or wish to debate them. They do this likely because the church paints atheists as the lowest scum of the Earth, heathen devil worshipers who wish to sin. If religion didn't create an "us and them" mentality to create and encourage bigotry, they wouldn't need the show.
It's ok for televangelists to broadcast all hours on several channels, but tax-paying Atheists have no rights to do so??? Your Bible has been disproven by science, so your God never existed... Surprise!
No they are NOT making claimes. They are challenging other peoples claims. Have they ever said that god doesnt exist? NO, so they have not made a claim.
The problem with guilt as in sin is the following: It's not my own guilt or sins that matter. All my guilt is forgiven if I accept Jesus but even if I'm not guilty myself in any way I'm still guilty of original sin.
This system doesn't tangent my own guilt in any way so it doesn't work out as moral standard.
They only claim they make is about justification of faith. These claims can be proven. It may not prove god doesnt exist but it does prove belief is unjustified. And the thing about Matt and other atheists is it's not that we think a god would not be justified to judge us worthy of eternal torture. If god had minor punishments for minor actions that would be one thing. Going to the mafia boss example, he would not have the right to break your legs if you lied about you first name or something
Depending on what definitions you wish to use, as far back as I can remember I have never intentionally or knowingly lied once. This is generally easy for me as I see no reason too. In addition, depending on what you consider to be sins, I would also say that I have never sinned. Since I hold these things to be evident, God has no right to judge and punish me, even if he created me and everything else. That is assuming if your God is just at all, but there's a lot of loose terminology here.
Since we're presupposing here, my answer is no. I'm not a jew or christian.
Say we presuppose that another unlikely god exists at the same time as your unlikely god. It also wants and has the power to judge you by your thoughts and actions. Sadly, this second god has values that are the opposite of the first. All people are thus condemned no matter who they are or what they have done to eternal damnation(or destruction, your choice.) Do these gods have a right to judge you?
i can solve all of your worries.....don't presuppose god. there, now get on with your life and stop feeling guilty for no good reason. sounds to me like you're afraid of god. "screw over an invisible man?" you logic is faulty.
Am I guilty.. by the god I guess you are talking abut.. Yes.
Do he have the right? Dose that matter.. he don't care if he have it or not.. his mentality seams a bit like "I am stronger then you.. so I can do whatever I want."
I say no.. but if there is a good, he don't care because he think he is better..
You can compara god in this whin animal cruelity, your dog peed on the floor, and you start to whip the dog in all eternity , becuse the dog didn't know better..
"he has no right to judge me, when your guilty your guilty" your using that off of a basis off of the bible. thats the problem is you cant prove anything with the bible. if you dont know the hole thing is bullshit than you really dont know enough about the bible. the bible also says you have to stone your children at the end of town when they are being unruley. it also says we can own slaves and how to punish them. are you also basing your decisions off of THOSE parts in the bible?
God creates you owing him for the original sin. That's tantamount to the mafia boss considering you owe him for putting your store on his turf. Coming and asking you to pay for protection is not compassion.
When God's laws are unjust, we have the right and the responsibility to judge that God. Your comments on the show, I heard it, were trounced by Matt. And your comments here have done nothing to redeem you. The Christian religion stands condemned by any rational system of justice.
Am I guilty? Of what? I've broken the speed limit a few times, but you are implying something other than guilt for bucking the USA's laws. You are implying that there other laws out there that I am guilty of breaking.
If god's laws are so important, you'd think he'd have told me face to face. Not put some in the Koran, put more in the bible, and still others in the teachings of Odin. Or he'd make his 'real' laws stand out from all those fake laws.
Anyone who uses the argument "Who are you to question God?" is trying to set up a straw man argument. Here's a better question: "Who is God that he doesn't answer me when I try to talk to him?"
He's not a father, because father's answer their sons.
Anyone who uses the argument "Who are you to question God?" is trying to set up a straw man argument. Here's a better question: "Who is God that he doesn't answer me when I try to talk to him?"
He's not a father, because father's answer their sons.
It's pretty clear that you're having trouble understanding the purpose of the show, and indeed the very basis of the atheist viewpoint. Atheism is not a belief system or a philosophy- it is simply a reaction to a posited belief. That belief is that there is a deity. That's it. Second: to address your question- if Matt or anyone else is guilty of anything, so what? You "just knew" you were guilty *how* if you didn't learn it from the Bible? What is your point, really?
@Acrimonator That said, you dodge Matt's point about the rapist and the rape victim by pointing guilt at the host. Because you clearly can't answer this without making a dick of your god.
If everyone has done something and should perish, then God of course has the right to carry out His justice... but then again setting up loopholes for some people contradicts any claim of ALL Justness.
All Merciful also contradicts All Justness because mercy is the suspension of justice.
God's right (or not) to judge only leads to contradictions in His nature.
The point of the Atheist Experience is to give other atheists a place to converse with other atheists, and to educate theists on their view.
Matt and all of them are open to the slim chance that there might be a God, but until there is evidence presented, which there hasn't, then it's justifiable to reject that positive claim.
If God exists, he needs to be judged for all the things he's guilty of before he judges other people. Pretty corrupt system, when the being judging others is guilty of more than they could ever be.
Wrong..!!! The Atheist show is there to help clear the thousands of lies the religious have thought up to keep people on their side... Religion can't do it with truths... There aren't any.... Once a person truely looks at what religion has created, especially the out and out lies.., they will see why Atheism is right... We really are here alone... just us mortals...
According to christianity, a man can live his entire life as a mass murder/rapist/child molester, then honestly "repent" on his death bed & go to heaven. If the victims weren't christians when they were murdered, they suffer for eternity. How is that justice?
"Are you guilty" If the christian god is real then yes. That's a pointless hypothetical question. There's only one answer to it & everyone knows the answer.
The entire concept of christianity is monstrous...
Why don't you try turning it around to the point of view where you don't presuppose God? Then you might be able to see the injustice of the rapist-girl scenario which was described on the show.
You say atheists hide behind weak atheism then don't act like weak atheists. I can explain that.
Smith defines implicit atheism as "the absence of theistic belief without a conscious rejection of it".
This is where I am at.
I don't have to consciously reject anything to point out for instance flawed logic.
It merely explains WHY you're atheist. So you CAN be a weak atheist and still point out flawed logic. The arguments you present doesn't have to be the reason for your atheism.
I've rarely heard them claim anything. Matt 99% of the time just points out how religious claims are nonsensical and refutes claims other people.
So your mixing shit up. You can be a weak atheist and still anti-theist. Two different things. One is the reason you're atheist, the other is how you relate to religious claims. I don't argue against religion because of my atheism, that would be impossible. I argue against religion because of my anti-theism.
the only claim atheists make is that your claim that god exists isn't true... we are waiting for evidence yo. anytime now. it's only been over 2000 years.
So all sins are the same? A little lie telling your wife is not fat makes one guilty as a rapist? Blow me.
The presupposition of the god of the buy-bull says we all sinned from the so called original sin. What a crock of crap. The only thing about a child being guilty is of original sin and the god of the buy-bull still will send them to hell
if you have to lie or rewrite the history of what actually happened, do you really WANT to hold those beliefs? it's more than restating what Matt ACTUALLY thinks in a way that makes you look like you were more on point than you were. In the actual call, you were stuffed away just like all the rest of the callers who profess faith. you got roped and corn holed and this video is an attempt to continue the fight after you've been knocked out.
Although I appreciate your demeanor in this video you are engaging in wishful thinking. You wish there was such a thing as an all-powerful maximally great being. There is no reason to believe that is true...None whatsoever. Zero, Zilch, no evidence at all other than your very boring, very easily proven improbable Holy Bible. By saying god is maximally great you are pretty much saying you believe in Gandalf and ferries. You are probably a theist because your parents were theists. I am not guilty.
If God is infinitely benevolent and infinitely powerful, then he could find a way to let everyone into heaven. Otherwise, he's not infinitely benevolent.
The objection over his judgement isn't really about whether he can or can't. If he's the supreme authority, then he can do whatever he wants. But if he could forgive people but chooses not to because they didn't pray to him, then he's being a prick.
morals are a product of society lets say that a baby was raised by animals his morals would be quite different that yours morality is NOT endowed to you at birth you are taught what is moral and what is not
Hiding behind weak atheism? They have an atheist show. Atheists and theists call in. Theist present claims, he refutes them. At no point does he try to convert or assert he has evidence that god doesn't exist. (seeing how it's impossible to disprove a negative). The question "are you guilty" is dumb. It's to vague. Guilty of what? The definition is responsible for or chargeable with a reprehensible act. So any action that has an effect...So are you guilty of watching tv today? lame lame lame
Yes, of course we have all did bad things. And anyone has a right to judge anyone, if by judge you mean evaluate someone. Atheists don't have a problem with a god judging them, but only his unfair judgments. We don't deserve to go to hell simply because we didn't believe. It's not a choice to believe. We can't force ourselves to be convinced of something when we're not. Just like you couldn't force yourself to believe a little kid who tells you he has a real pet dragon.
@vbfl920 But the christian next door says the exact opposite. When I go to the bible to determine which of you is correct, I realize that you are both actually right. It says both things. So once you christians figure out which parts are the good ones to follow, let us know. It's a small point regardless. Why does it sound like you are saying that jesus came to save us from god? Isn't that what you are really saying?
We are guilty for WHAT? We are born guilty, according to you, because some stupid cunt ate fruit from the tree that she wasn't supposed to 6,000 years ago. FUCK that, I'm not guilty, andhe would have no right to prejudge me for THAT.
Fuck you and your God, really dude. Open your eyes, your God is WRONG. Nobody is guilty, or can b
"The Bible says that we are all guilty."
Yes. Demonstrating that the Bible IS immoral and unjust. Everyone is judged regardless of what they may have done. Everyone is BORN guilty. The ONLY unforgivable sin is NOT begging for forgiveness for being born exactly how God made us.
MrFungus420 6 days ago
Prove there is a god
Mee551able 1 month ago
1. Atheism isn't rejecting god, Atheism is rejecting the claims about god.
2. Again, the Atheist experience show isn't against god. It's a response to attacks by people infringing on the rights of people who doesn't share their beliefs.
3. Omnipotence is a contradiction and a logical fallacy and thus no being can be omnipotence.
4. The bible is a poor source for morality, because you and me and almost everyone on the planet is morally superior to the biblical god.
5. Guilty by whose standard?
baldurus1 1 month ago
Its trues those guy are making many claims all the time. They preach ther views like it defintely true and expect everyone to embrace them readily.... these guys on that show are radical atheists.........a commical and hippocritical group of people.
MrAirtyme 1 month ago
No, they aren't making claims. You're totally not getting the point of the show, which is to dispell myths about what atheism is. It's rejecting a claim that was originally made by theists, that's it. They may venture into other areas of general skepticism or defending science against the misinformation of creationists, but that's about it. All that stems from the rejection of theistic claims of a supernatural deity.
resistnzisfutl 2 months ago
you say "it's him paying" but....paying to WHOM?
cause from the bible you can infer that god impregnated a woman with a child that was himself(him because he has a penis), so that he could sacrifice himself to himself, so that the blood sacrifice would motivate him to forgive us for offenses we hadn't even committed yet(as we weren't even born for over 1900 years)
isn't it simpler to forgive because you want to forgive? no blood sacrifices required?
sabin97 2 months ago
guilty of what? when you accuse someone they can be guilty or not-guilty. if you dont accuse people of SOMETHING they cannot be guilty, you need ot be guilty OF SOMETHING.
by "are you guilty?" do you mean "have you done anything morally wrong in your life?"?
"you screwed him over"
when and how exacly did i screw god over?? he(apparently god has a penis) has never even talked to me in a way i can understand, how can i possibly have screwed him over????
sabin97 2 months ago
By your standards God is the most guilty of all. He killed everyone in the world except for 8 people on the ark. He is a mass murderer with the largest body count. Who judges him?
You ask if I'm guilty of something, by christian standards I was born guilty and have to ask to be saved. If I was born guilty than God would have made me that way. If there is a creator of the universe, I would not expect him to be so petty, arrogant and short tempered. You would treat your pets better than that.
highlander7 2 months ago
Im not guilty at all, you're guilty of being gullible and the christian god has no right to judge me by his immoral standards
sykregen784 2 months ago
You're not being "honest", you're being an idiot. Grow up and stop believing in your invisible magic sky-daddy.
mikefromwa 2 months ago
Of course none of us are perfect, but where does God come into any of this?
If God can forgive any crime other than disbelief, then disbelief is the only crime that really matters. He cares nothing for what the murder rapist Christian did, because he's a believer. The atheist victim, on the other hand is damned because she is guilty of the only eternal crime: not believing in God.
That's God's justice.
FrankLightheart 3 months ago 2
the point matt was making is that the WORST sin is disbelief. its worse than murder and rape combined, hence the "saved" rapist going to heaven and the skeptical rape VICTIM not going. that is immoral, i dont care if god says otherwise.
and how can you ask someone if they are guilty but not specify of what? makes no sense bro.
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jcisbell 3 months ago
Its more then that There are over 300 prophecys that have come true.End time prophecys are being fufilled daily this year. The book ezekiel prodicts the exact year that Isreal would become a nation in 1948. The shroud of turin was re-examined by peer view scientist and not only did they say that there is nothing on earth like it but they found Isreal coin impressions and a galexy in the 3d image they also confermed that it was from the time that christ lived
ada2step 4 months ago
@ada2step where did you get this information?
wondergundy 4 months ago
Respond to this video... There is no gods... and Matt knows it.
wondergundy 4 months ago
@ada2step There are over 300 prophecys that have come true BULLSHIT. End time prophecys are being fufilled daily this year.BS The book ezekiel prodicts the exact year that Isreal would become a nation in 1948.SHOW THE EVIDENCE! The shroud of turin was re-examined by peer view scientist MORE BS!
Vegasgodless 2 months ago
@Vegasgodless Look it up sherlock holms! It is a fact
ada2step 2 months ago
@ada2step I have that's why I know it's bull shit.
Vegasgodless 2 months ago
Matt was not presupposing the existence of your god. He was humoring you, in order to proceed with a conversation intended to expose the absurdity of your claims.
Dahl1980 4 months ago
Yeah I'm going to go ahead and let you know, you are running the classic arguments which have been put down numerous times.
Your 'are you guilty' question has nothing to do with whether a God exists. The problem of evil is much more complex that guilt, and even if it wasn't, why should we suppose that everyone is guilty enough to be punished with eternal torment?
pimpwacker 4 months ago
Are you guilty? Assuming the Judao-Christian God exists, it doesn't matter if you've done anthing wrong or not. The concept of original sin, guarantees that newborn babies are every bit as guilty as the rapist in your story. It's this indiscretion on God's part that's so appalling.
The technique you're using here is very similar to the manipulation that Ray Comfort uses. By tearing someone down (with their guilt) you seek to fill that gap with your belief. It's quite immoral.
johnedwards1968 4 months ago
I think you might be overstating the concept of weak atheism. Even as a believer in weak atheism, it's possible to respond very strongly to outrageous claims. A claim in God is simply outrageous.
johnedwards1968 4 months ago
Those that are truely grateful knows that there is a God.
209Hmooblis 4 months ago
What claims are they making? You don't even mention one.
Where in the bible does it say God doesn't like rape? I'm pretty sure he's pro-rape.
And no! He can't judge me and decide to torture me for eternity, simply because I'm not convinced he's real, with out looking like a complete monster. Parents who do that to their children are arrested. If God were a human, he would be a criminal.
urantivirus 4 months ago
If by "judge," you mean "torture eternally, and identically to all who have not followed a specific ritual unrelated to their sins, while letting ALL who have done so join him in paradise," then no. He does not have that right.
IoEstasCedonta 4 months ago
Since when do mafia bosses pay for YOUR debts. Mafia bosses give you loans and they use those loans to get favors out of you. If you don't repay them, they kill you.
TransDIYer 4 months ago
the thing with the outspoken atheist that live like its a claim of non-existance is that they are being oppressed in their rights with anti-abortion laws and laws against homosexuality, just to name a few. their outspokenedness comes as a response to social attacks.
in your analogy, if the guy is not guilty and is attacked on the streets by people who claim he is, then he WOULD be justified to go on TV and make a show on why he is not guilty and why it matters.
ErgoProxy12345 5 months ago
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BTW, I am NOT guilty.
Credesign 5 months ago
You should work this "guilty" issue, dude. If you presupose you are guilty of things, you may not live a full life. What I mean is, everybody does bad things. But it is not about being guilty. It is just about, when you screw up (and it is nothing bad beyond fixing) you go there and fix it. And this is about th minor screw ups in life, which you feel so guilty about. When it comes to big screw ups, let the law handle it. Simple and unpainful.
Credesign 5 months ago
At 7:33 that is where you are in error. I never asked for *anybody* to pay my debts for me. Jesus just did it on his own and then told me I was in his debt. What if I were to do that to you? What if I were to buy you a nice beautiful car, whether you asked for it or not, and then I proclaimed that you owed me money, and if you didn't pay, I would kick your ass? This is exactly what Christianity attempts to do. I never ate of the forbidden fruit, I don't owe your god jack.
thelordmemnoch 5 months ago
Admitting to being guilty doesn't concede any other point. You are making it seem that having done something wrong or been wronged = sin. STRAWMAN alert.
DoctorMeh 5 months ago
Actually they just listen to your claims and ask, Really though?????
IronMan50780 5 months ago
can't the mafia boss just not break your legs and say your dept is paid?
the scenario is "believe in my god, or you are going to hell" if you choose not to believe, can't an omnipotent being just say "okay im not going to send you to hell, you are forgiven"?
beiggo 5 months ago
why the are you thinking about this stupid fuckin question for you or any body it will never be answered by either side none of you truthfully know, all I have to say is, I wasn't born into sin, I have done bad and good thing and always would like to do good all the time, but it isn't poss. hereok foolass, to just say god did it, because nothing else matters or they just ignore you when you speak is fuckin ignorace blantant plain and simple so theres no talking to yall fuck religion all of them
tv0039 5 months ago
It is simple. Do you claim there is a god? If so prove it or go away.
undertow9x 5 months ago 17
I would categorize atheism as disbelief or counter belief. Atheism on it's own can't survive. If there was no concept of god there would not be atheism as they would not even have an agenda. They are metaphorically speaking busting a closed case (cause people believe in god) open because new material ('critical thinking') has surfaced. It's not a belief or a negative per say. It's something in a whole other category.
scrap222666 6 months ago
@scrap222666 You would be right to do so, for that is how it is defined.
SquirrelGoneBananas 6 months ago
If you are an atheist you are making a claim that the theist arguments are not valid, thats your claim. Without the theist arguments the conclusion that god exists would not be. Atheists wouldnt be talking about how god does not exist unless there were claims that god does exist. Its not atheists going from neutral to offensive. If you claim that something does really exist and i dont agree because of your weak argumentation i naturally attack your arguments, god is not obvious so back it up.
vetarnable 6 months ago
If we presuppose the Christian God he created us sick and commanded us to be better, and it was only through his scape goat of a human sacrifice we could be forgiven for the original sin I did not commit. Yes, I've done many things wrong, but the sin I was apparently CREATED with was not my own, and that is why I need Jesus. The first sin I need healing of is apparently not my own. So yes, I am guilty, but not of the Original Sin I apparently need Jesus to heal me of.
MBAYMZTU 6 months ago
dude i can do the same fucking thing.....are you innocent.....seriously are ou innocent....because if your not your just like every human being and no amount of praying and repents to an invisible sky daddy is going to make it better in the real world....live YOUR life for YOU and stop worrying about wether or not your guilty man seriously were all human and weve all done bad things....so what...
Xlivesforever 6 months ago
also, your saying he has the right to judge you if your guilty, what gives him the right to judge us by his immoral standards?? just because hesmore powerful?? might doesnt make right :P
edard101 6 months ago
i just realised why all these religious videos get so many dislikes opposesd to likes. Its because most christians wont find videos like this, because most of them dont want to examine their beliefs :)
edard101 6 months ago
Have you ever listened to anything atheists say? We are not making claims, we are dismantling and debunking claims of religions. Only claims we make are about the likelihood of the existence of some specified or unspecified god or gods. By the way your 'Matt are you guilty' sounds very much like scientology. Also mafia bosses have no right to break anyones legs in spite of their depts and your ending just made you sound stupid.
Draugo 6 months ago
guilty of MAN MADE LAWS ......... That's a joke ... Man make new laws EVERYDAY .... AFTER ALL MAN MADE GOD ......
313kam 6 months ago
god gods etc are imaginary, morality certainly doesn't come from the immoral god of the bible.
yes ive done things. and no if god were real he would have no right to judge me.
why? because i do not consider myself the property of god.
i tend to think that ownership of people is a bad thing.
maybe if god exists he should go mind his own fucking business and stop giving aids to babies and killing 28000 people a day from cancer.
you might have the creepy masochistic urge to be a slave but not i.
527dannyb 6 months ago
"The Bible Says . . . The Bible Says . . . "
It's just a book - What does it matter what it says?
Are you unable to think for yourself? Are you unable to tell right from wrong without looking it up in a book?
Uberlaser 6 months ago
How do you stand up against any concept you don't believe, without making claims to the contrary? Of course atheists have to make claims in order to put across their ideas. So yes, non-belief is also belief of a sort. There is no avoiding that. As far as guilt, sin is a Bible notion. Right and wrong is something different. The morality I learned at my mother's knee tells me when I'm going wrong and so it is with most people. You have an inner moral compass. Use it and you won't go wrong.
bboots100 6 months ago
"God" is a fairy tale- deal with it.
You must already be filled with doubt, since you seem to be so alarmed and upset over the fact that a few people dare to say that they don't believe in god.
mikefromwa 6 months ago
Way to go dude! Atheists won't understand because they don't know God and they don't know sin because they are blind. I don't mean this in a condescending way, just in a truthful way.
xchampx 6 months ago
@xchampx @mikefromwa WHICH ONE OF THE 10'S OF 1000'S THAT MAN HAS MADE UP IN HIS HISTORY DO YOU MEAN? THE CURRENT FAVOURITE?
noiseache 6 months ago
@noiseache whaaaa?
xchampx 6 months ago
@xchampx It's not a test. Which god do you mean? There's literally thousands of them.
noiseache 6 months ago
@noiseache There is only one God.
xchampx 6 months ago
@xchampx So you're going for this "1 god" over say Dyonisis, Shiva, Ju Ju of the Jungle and about 50,000 others. Seems a bit bigoted and narrow minded to ignore all those other deities, after all you don't have any evidence to suggest this one is the one true god over all those others. Seems like an awful gamble to me.
I mean, what if you're wrong?
noiseache 6 months ago
Guilty of what? By your logic, just because I'm alive, I am guilty and deserve punishment from god, forever. But somehow the murdering rapist can be forgiven in a snap and live for eternity in heaven. This is what you propose?
AmosTheTalented 6 months ago 15
Even in court there is a lawyer for the defence. Thats what the atheist experience is doing.
funkynosejob 7 months ago
Umm, it sounds just like a "guilt trip".
Both Hitchens & Matt have made the same argument that god does not have the right to judge us.He created this game against our will and would be unjust in judging us based on his arbitrary standards.
To the point about the rapist.I think the point was to demonstrate that the Judeo-christian god is fundamentally Unjust (therefore self-contradictory) because he rewards credulity and punishes skepticism.
rubberbaby00 7 months ago
People who are not guilty are not demonized but atheists are demonized so atheists are simply doing public relations. There are no dead Christians in foxholes who did not pray. I made that statement to show you how it is to be other end of intolerance.
humansaretheworld 7 months ago
The point that Matt makes is that the Judeo-Christian god is immoral and that you are not guilty of immoral judgements of god. You can't say that everything
god does is moral simply because you define god as unquestionably always right.
humansaretheworld 7 months ago
Basically, what you're saying is that the party who believes in not-guilty aren't making a show of it, but they are. They don't use not-guilty, they use Innocent. If I do not commit a crime, I am innocent of that crime. If someone makes a claim that I committed a crime that I did not, I will protest till I'm blue in the face that I am INNOCENT.
That's what Atheists do. You are making a claim about a god, and we're saying no.
Davin404 7 months ago
that is the most stupid question in the world cuz every 1 knows im not guilty of anything but seriously you have to specify what we might be guilty of and your interpretation of god is illogical and down right insulting to any 1 with intelegence no he has no right to judge me before he judges and punishes himself for thousands of years of torture rape homocide genocide slavery and disease think about that
bahamasartits 7 months ago
Let's presuppose that "Gazoo" (of Flinstones fame) is God. Does he have the right to judge you?
Are we guilty? Sure, we're guilty of being born human. Does that mean that I should have to pay the price of eternal torture because I don't accept a claim for which there is no evidence of?
MrKeenoRossi 7 months ago
This video is two years old, so I'd like to ask @vbfl920 if you're still in the same place about these questions? Or have you come to understand Matt's position, and the atheist position in general, on these issues? (i.e., "god has no right to judge me" and so on). It's clear from this video that you didn't understand/listen to Matt's actual position on God & judgment, but I'm curious where you stand/what you think about this today.
paxpaul 7 months ago 2
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I am not guilty.
xretrovertigox 7 months ago
This video is utterly crap. You have NO logic, full of fallacies and horrible errors or misconceptions.
linkuei83 8 months ago
Sooo.... if I've ever done anything wrong, I deserve to be in horrible agony for eternity because I am incapable of believing in god's zombie puppet son? Credulity versus incredulity is the only determinant of god's judgement? Hitler's in heaven while the jews he murdered are roasting away? Yeah, some morality.
AnonymLonen 8 months ago
Looks like someone wants to punch them in the face for Jesus.
BiggySeth 8 months ago
If your main complaint is that there is a cable access show in Austin Texas that is atheist, as opposed to 1 million plus churches, 5-10 full time cable networks, and countless christian rock album spreading "the word," that's pretty much bullshit.
PaleHorseWC2 8 months ago
I know it's an old video but like Matt said, we don't believe in Big Foot but if there were a majority of people believing in it and making laws about it and trying to teach Big Foot in school and making wars endorsed by Big Foot, then there would be TV shows dedicated to discussing this issue. The show isn't about stating that god does not exist, it's about discussing the fact that people do believe god exists without evidence and acting based on that. Hope that clears things up.
MarcoArsenault 8 months ago
whats your point? who isnt ever guilty?
keaco73 8 months ago
As far as Matt's claim about innocence and no need to prove it I am kind of disappointed. First of all, if he is basing his argument on OUR legal system of innocent until proven guilty. If innocence required no proof at all, then there would never have been need of what is known as an alibi, which is a proof of innocence.
smawshot 8 months ago
@smawshot What? An alibi is a defense strategy, it is not proof of innocence. In the court of law, nothing PROVES innocence, the prosecution either establishes guilt beyond a reasonable doubt, or does not.
PaleHorseWC2 8 months ago
@PaleHorseWC2 Again, you basing that argument upon a modern legal system of innocent until proven guilty, Alibi was a method of proving innocence in rome, hence the translation "I was not there" and if such was unnecessary then it wouldn't have been needed ever. Second of all, not all atheists are mere skeptics in actuality but do hide behind that stance when questioned. To take a stance of "I am not convinced" "I don't believe" is different than "I believe not" and "I am convinced not"
smawshot 8 months ago
@smawshot Either way, I don't feel like going through an endless circular debate unless something original and new can be added. So................
smawshot 8 months ago
@smawshot I don't care, nor do I think anybody cares about original usage and translations, when we are using the much more practical example of the modern US legal system. I only disagree with your claiming that if innocence needed no proof, you don't need an alibi. Plenty of cases are defended with no reasonable alibi, look at the Casey Anthony case. The lawyer throws up a bullshit flak screen large enough, the jury doesn't have to buy it, just not be convinced entirely.
PaleHorseWC2 7 months ago
@PaleHorseWC2 It is your assumption that the modern us legal system is the determining method of what is true or untrue is where it falls apart. we aren't in court nor is the legal system an absolute so cherry picking an analogy doesn't validate it in the least. claiming that innocence needs no proof only follows an assumption, explain how that assumption is correct first or any assumption can be used and you definitely wouldn't like the results of that.
smawshot 7 months ago
@smawshot The analogy of the court system and innocence until proven guilty is used with the atheist logical viewpoint that a negative cannot be proven, and that the prosecution (theist) must prove their positive position (existence of god(s)), or else the default judgement of not guilty (skepticism/atheism) must be ruled. I am no lawyer, so I know little of the finer points of various legal systems, but I see no flaw in this particular train of logic on the grounds that innocent until (cont)
PaleHorseWC2 7 months ago
@smawshot proven guilty is somehow an improper assumption compared to (?). I don't see how this analogy fails to convey the claim+evidence=accept claim | claim+no evidence=do not accept claim train of logic. The fault to be had with the alibi is that it in itself is a claim, of innocence, and needs evidence, which is irrelevant to the court's position as to innocent until proven guilty.
PaleHorseWC2 7 months ago
@PaleHorseWC2 What you don't get is the very simplicity of it. We aren't in court, and we aren't in a modern courtroom debating the issue. So to play the "it doesn't work that way in a contemporary US courtroom" has no bearing. Innocence has its proofs, alibi is a proof of innocence whether you like it or not. So to claim that innocence needs to warrant no proof is already telling of something different than the fact of the matter.
smawshot 7 months ago
@smawshot You cannot logically prove a negative. They who makes a claim supports the claim or the claim is unfounded. I do not have to prove that such a claim is unfounded. If you cannot see the parallel between this principle of reasoning and the established system of determining truths in a logical manner - regardless of the usage of a particular defensive strategy - an alibi is evidence to a claim, and as such is subject to all skepticism of evidence. An alibi thats a lie is proof of nothing.
PaleHorseWC2 7 months ago
@PaleHorseWC2 How can you not prove a negative. Are you sure you are speaking correctly or do you just want to pass the buck? If I can name a negative that is logically proven what would that then mean to you?
smawshot 7 months ago
@smawshot By proving a negative in this context means to provide evidence as to disbelief. A common example used is "Do you believe in pixel fairies?" Answer is usually negative, "No." Asking one to prove a negative would be something like "Okay, well prove there are no pixel fairies." Such it is impossible, but so is expecting someone to believe the claim in pixel fairies, while providing no evidence for, while expecting evidence against.
PaleHorseWC2 7 months ago
Let me start of by saying your logic is flawed, and I'll get to right where that is: you get to the heart of the matter at around the 5:40 point with your question about guilt, and you followed by saying, and I paraphrase, you "knew your own guilt before needing the Bible to tell you so."
So, If that is the case you need not presuppose any godly being, you've already shown your morality comes from some place else.
ndrozda56 8 months ago
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haycockjeff 8 months ago
They normally simply ask "what do you believe and why?". Then they inevitably demonstrate the inability of theists to rationalise their own claims. Hence, like me, they remain atheists.
haycockjeff 8 months ago
my general point is...it doesnt matter if a god exists or not...the institution of religions have no RIGHT to claim something that they cannot know exists...and when the day comes, if it does, that god does exist in the UNLIKELY accuracy of say the bible accounts of him...then awareness will be absolute...people will have to oppose or become slaves...i rather oppose a tyrant, and hope to be allowed to state my reasons to such a god as to why i oppose slavery, rape,and killing people on demand
MadMAn12gauge 8 months ago
MOST IMPORTANTLY no existing entity has a right to judge anything as if they are more superior, That is a HUMAN trait, we like to pretend we are god and to know what a god is..existance creates a cause and effect method upon other entities..a mishap of playing in our backyard pool, breaking it and Flooding a colony of ants out of their home is not deemed as a problem to us, but the ants may disagree, we dont seem to disagree if "acts of god happen"
MadMAn12gauge 8 months ago
well...what the fuck is Weak atheism?
if a person can't possibly know something, thats not weak...it is weak to give into an answer of "infinity" or judge existance as if time exists or gives a shit about human perceptions...that places a pre-conception on theists that we are important as humans, and have the rights to create and play god with "lesser species" dictating to them if they can and cannot mate, what they can and cannot due with a pretense of thinking we know whats is best for them
MadMAn12gauge 8 months ago
That's the thing, I don't owe this imaginary, concocted debt!
phoenixbrew 8 months ago
yes, they're claiming theism has not met the burden of proof, and hence atheism is the default position.
sirdelrio 8 months ago
It's amazing how much you talked but how little you said. Seriously, your video was practically content-free.
Look, stop believing in your Bronze-Age bullshit. The bible is an idiotic fairy tale full of lies and your imaginary "god" has no right to judge me.
mikefromwa 9 months ago
what about the rapist/murders who do not feel guilty about what they have done and only want to do it again and again.Where there is no guilt can there be no punishment by GOD?
4x4extreme5 9 months ago
Wow you just don't get it dude.
mbbm13 9 months ago
Oh I am sorry to answer your question not guilty and no for it has mad me in its image and given me freewill to judge myself
mothercookie 9 months ago
Wow you really didn't get it. I thought you was a prank caller guy wow
mothercookie 9 months ago
If you're saying that rape, murder and torture is on the same level than stealing a candy as a kid, and you are even though you're saying you're not, you're insane. God should punish the rapist, but if he converts, he won't. On the other hand if you live your life helping others and doing as little "sin" as you can but don't believe, you go to hell.
God is the most sadistic, bigoted and insecure monster to ever have risen from the terrible thing that is human imagination. And you worship him?!?
PeGe90 9 months ago 22
I went and looked up the episode you called in on, and I picked you out from your argument of, "You have a show called the atheist experience, so you're making a claim."
Matt explained to you why this isn't so, and you even said "Ok, I can accept that."
So the fact that you're coming on here, and restating the same friggen argument is, in my opinion, completely dishonest.
BigLundi 9 months ago 2
Also, did you end up calling in with your "are you guilty?" question? Cause I'd REALLY love to see how that turned out if ya did.
BigLundi 9 months ago
No, they don't make claims, the show's purpose is thus - "We would like to show theist viewers what atheism is, as well as show atheist viewers that they are not alone."
That's it. Theist callers come in with their "proofs" for god, and the hosts debunk the "proofs". That's it really.
Also, your question is so fucking vague and convoluted it's rediculous. So guilty/not? Not applicable.
And yes, the Judeo christian god, should he exist, can judge me, but he can be a douche about it.
BigLundi 9 months ago
Wow. Just wow. The subject is so far over this persons head I'm not sure he isn't joking.
newcoyote 9 months ago
you're a fucking idiot if you believe things that are generally considered impossible without evidence
911BeganTheEndOfGod 10 months ago
1: Yes
2: No
xXp3rsonaXx 10 months ago
and a final thought... a religion which is based on the punishment of human natural desire of knowledge, its natural curiosity, its just messed up. The whole tree of knowledge prohibited fruit tale is a great example of what kind of religion you follow... the application of this thought (during the dark ages) reveals the degree of corruption and desire of power and manipulation the church as a structural institution has always seek... thank god (jeje) this power has been deminished
JuanAndreful 10 months ago
first of all, why would you presuppose anything... i would go out on a limb (acknowledging I might be wrong) and say you don't do that in any othre aspect of your life... but you're willing to do so when it comes to religion and god... why? this is your first mistake... second; even if i were to grant you the existance of your judeo-christian god, the answer to your question will be NO. I will not be judge by this being of yours. If the bible is a hi-fi account of this being (continue)
JuanAndreful 10 months ago
@JuanAndreful (continue) its quite clear to me his moral compass is broken, and no one in its right mind will allow to be judge by such a character... would you? a clear example of this is christian fundamentalists (who at least are honest enough to follow the preachings of their sacred book... as wrong as they are)... would you allow wacko Phelps judge you? i doubt this. following the morals of your sacred book he is correct. (continue)
JuanAndreful 10 months ago
@JuanAndreful (continue) and its quite clear to a lot of us that no one in ots right mind will allow to be judge my the morals of Phelps (would you?)... and as said before, he is following quite strictly your god's word... have you read your bible? are you one of those who cherry picks what to follow and what to dismiss? As crazy as it it, christian fundamentalists are honest in how they conduct and construct their moral system. So, in short, NO I would not be judge by your god...
JuanAndreful 10 months ago
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JuanAndreful 10 months ago
There's not much I can say that wouldn't echo much of what has already been directed toward your request. But I will say that you are truly brainwashed. I hope you get better. Of course, I won't be praying for you, but I do hope that you realize the error of your reasoning. It's really sick, you know?
Kaniki80 10 months ago
If God has a right to judge you merely because you are guilty, then anyone has the right to judge you. But this really misses the greater point which is that God is judging someone and not forgiving them because he has not "confessed" or because he didn't believe in God during his life, THAT is the problem. Like the example Matt used, it would be wrong for God to say the rapist is forgiven simply because of his religious beliefs and the victim is not forgiven because of hers. That is immoral.
CurtGeezus 10 months ago
They responded to your claims, and tried to point out why your claims are not based on reason but likely emotional ones with no factual basis. They did this in varied ways. They didn't push their agenda on you, you called them and they pointed out why your claims are false. They are responding to a large number of claims by theists and saying "We don't believe you, prove it" and everyone who calls in can't. They make no claims, they are pointing out a vast array of false claims people cling to.
KazeKirin 11 months ago
I'll try and clarify for you. The show is to promote awareness of what an atheist is, and to promote the separation of church and state. They also respond to callers who want more information or wish to debate them. They do this likely because the church paints atheists as the lowest scum of the Earth, heathen devil worshipers who wish to sin. If religion didn't create an "us and them" mentality to create and encourage bigotry, they wouldn't need the show.
KazeKirin 11 months ago
It's ok for televangelists to broadcast all hours on several channels, but tax-paying Atheists have no rights to do so??? Your Bible has been disproven by science, so your God never existed... Surprise!
railroadtrash09 11 months ago
No they are NOT making claimes. They are challenging other peoples claims. Have they ever said that god doesnt exist? NO, so they have not made a claim.
gulbirk 11 months ago
The problem with guilt as in sin is the following: It's not my own guilt or sins that matter. All my guilt is forgiven if I accept Jesus but even if I'm not guilty myself in any way I'm still guilty of original sin.
This system doesn't tangent my own guilt in any way so it doesn't work out as moral standard.
MichaelLV99 11 months ago
They only claim they make is about justification of faith. These claims can be proven. It may not prove god doesnt exist but it does prove belief is unjustified. And the thing about Matt and other atheists is it's not that we think a god would not be justified to judge us worthy of eternal torture. If god had minor punishments for minor actions that would be one thing. Going to the mafia boss example, he would not have the right to break your legs if you lied about you first name or something
Dieromantic777 11 months ago
Weak question..."are you guilty"
Define the crime because we all have different moral standards.
You don't want to get into those questions because they threaten your belief system and make you feel insecure.
HarrysSecret 11 months ago
Depending on what definitions you wish to use, as far back as I can remember I have never intentionally or knowingly lied once. This is generally easy for me as I see no reason too. In addition, depending on what you consider to be sins, I would also say that I have never sinned. Since I hold these things to be evident, God has no right to judge and punish me, even if he created me and everything else. That is assuming if your God is just at all, but there's a lot of loose terminology here.
bayouboyy 11 months ago
Since we're presupposing here, my answer is no. I'm not a jew or christian.
Say we presuppose that another unlikely god exists at the same time as your unlikely god. It also wants and has the power to judge you by your thoughts and actions. Sadly, this second god has values that are the opposite of the first. All people are thus condemned no matter who they are or what they have done to eternal damnation(or destruction, your choice.) Do these gods have a right to judge you?
yadabub 11 months ago
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yadabub 11 months ago
i can solve all of your worries.....don't presuppose god. there, now get on with your life and stop feeling guilty for no good reason. sounds to me like you're afraid of god. "screw over an invisible man?" you logic is faulty.
cayman187 11 months ago 26
Am I guilty.. by the god I guess you are talking abut.. Yes.
Do he have the right? Dose that matter.. he don't care if he have it or not.. his mentality seams a bit like "I am stronger then you.. so I can do whatever I want."
I say no.. but if there is a good, he don't care because he think he is better..
You can compara god in this whin animal cruelity, your dog peed on the floor, and you start to whip the dog in all eternity , becuse the dog didn't know better..
TFAric 11 months ago
"he has no right to judge me, when your guilty your guilty" your using that off of a basis off of the bible. thats the problem is you cant prove anything with the bible. if you dont know the hole thing is bullshit than you really dont know enough about the bible. the bible also says you have to stone your children at the end of town when they are being unruley. it also says we can own slaves and how to punish them. are you also basing your decisions off of THOSE parts in the bible?
TomTomTheLeprechaun 11 months ago
Are you guilty? What the fucking shit are you on about?
lozleigh 11 months ago
God creates you owing him for the original sin. That's tantamount to the mafia boss considering you owe him for putting your store on his turf. Coming and asking you to pay for protection is not compassion.
aiartsev 11 months ago
@aiartsev But... it's for your own good. He doesn't want to break your legs or put a bullet in your head. Lol
yadabub 11 months ago
lol... "This isnt a guilt trip...but, are you guilty?..."
I need you to feel guilty and small so my church can control you forever...
OPE08 11 months ago
When God's laws are unjust, we have the right and the responsibility to judge that God. Your comments on the show, I heard it, were trounced by Matt. And your comments here have done nothing to redeem you. The Christian religion stands condemned by any rational system of justice.
Kailoa36 1 year ago
Am I guilty? Of what? I've broken the speed limit a few times, but you are implying something other than guilt for bucking the USA's laws. You are implying that there other laws out there that I am guilty of breaking.
If god's laws are so important, you'd think he'd have told me face to face. Not put some in the Koran, put more in the bible, and still others in the teachings of Odin. Or he'd make his 'real' laws stand out from all those fake laws.
Not guilty. No law has been broken.
ArgueExplain 1 year ago
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Anyone who uses the argument "Who are you to question God?" is trying to set up a straw man argument. Here's a better question: "Who is God that he doesn't answer me when I try to talk to him?"
He's not a father, because father's answer their sons.
ArgueExplain 1 year ago
Anyone who uses the argument "Who are you to question God?" is trying to set up a straw man argument. Here's a better question: "Who is God that he doesn't answer me when I try to talk to him?"
He's not a father, because father's answer their sons.
ArgueExplain 1 year ago
The bible says all sins are equal. So...sorry mate but even if you want to say sins aren't equal you're not in line with the bible.
dkravendeath 1 year ago
It's pretty clear that you're having trouble understanding the purpose of the show, and indeed the very basis of the atheist viewpoint. Atheism is not a belief system or a philosophy- it is simply a reaction to a posited belief. That belief is that there is a deity. That's it. Second: to address your question- if Matt or anyone else is guilty of anything, so what? You "just knew" you were guilty *how* if you didn't learn it from the Bible? What is your point, really?
Nabiki73 1 year ago
3:30 you say god has standards which don't endorse murder and rape... Have you read your bible ?
That's funny how to defend your position you have to completly ignore some major parts of your holy book..
Acrimonator 1 year ago
@Acrimonator That said, you dodge Matt's point about the rapist and the rape victim by pointing guilt at the host. Because you clearly can't answer this without making a dick of your god.
Acrimonator 1 year ago
If everyone has done something and should perish, then God of course has the right to carry out His justice... but then again setting up loopholes for some people contradicts any claim of ALL Justness.
All Merciful also contradicts All Justness because mercy is the suspension of justice.
God's right (or not) to judge only leads to contradictions in His nature.
paleosmoker 1 year ago
The point of the Atheist Experience is to give other atheists a place to converse with other atheists, and to educate theists on their view.
Matt and all of them are open to the slim chance that there might be a God, but until there is evidence presented, which there hasn't, then it's justifiable to reject that positive claim.
sk8tafrnk 1 year ago
The Bible (Paul) clearly says, that God made EVERYTHING sin so there is no other way but just Jesus.
ASV Gal. 3:22
But the scriptures shut up all things under sin, that the promise by faith in Jesus Christ might be given to them that believe.
ESV Gal. 3:22
But the Scripture imprisoned everything under sin, so that the promise by faith in Jesus Christ might be given to those who believe.
So, God made sure that no one can escape.
HairyHu 1 year ago
cont.
Also, ISV Rom. 11:32
For God has locked all people in the prison of their own disobedience so that he may have mercy on them all.
So God, like a Mafia boss make you an offer you cannot refuse.
HairyHu 1 year ago
murder is far less than not believing in stuff without evidence.
Hemouth 1 year ago
If God exists, he needs to be judged for all the things he's guilty of before he judges other people. Pretty corrupt system, when the being judging others is guilty of more than they could ever be.
AncaThirteen 1 year ago
Wrong..!!! The Atheist show is there to help clear the thousands of lies the religious have thought up to keep people on their side... Religion can't do it with truths... There aren't any.... Once a person truely looks at what religion has created, especially the out and out lies.., they will see why Atheism is right... We really are here alone... just us mortals...
lentmain 1 year ago
According to christianity, a man can live his entire life as a mass murder/rapist/child molester, then honestly "repent" on his death bed & go to heaven. If the victims weren't christians when they were murdered, they suffer for eternity. How is that justice?
"Are you guilty" If the christian god is real then yes. That's a pointless hypothetical question. There's only one answer to it & everyone knows the answer.
The entire concept of christianity is monstrous...
Zentz29 1 year ago
Great video. Subscribed!
Nyarl3 1 year ago
What is "weak Atheism"? You say that all Atheists are hiding behind it.
Critic863 1 year ago
Why don't you try turning it around to the point of view where you don't presuppose God? Then you might be able to see the injustice of the rapist-girl scenario which was described on the show.
13thLegio 1 year ago
God is guilty killing all the people in the world except for Noah and his family.
Who judges God? Shouldn't he burn in hell for all eternity for killing so many people because he got angry?
Doesn't God create children with horrible disabilities and also let children be murdered, raped and tortured.
Who is judging him?
Not one man has done the horrible things that God has done. Hitler is a boyscout by comparison.
Better not to believe in such a horrible God.
highlander7 1 year ago
You say atheists hide behind weak atheism then don't act like weak atheists. I can explain that.
Smith defines implicit atheism as "the absence of theistic belief without a conscious rejection of it".
This is where I am at.
I don't have to consciously reject anything to point out for instance flawed logic.
It merely explains WHY you're atheist. So you CAN be a weak atheist and still point out flawed logic. The arguments you present doesn't have to be the reason for your atheism.
Gunnariffic 1 year ago
Just to add:
I've rarely heard them claim anything. Matt 99% of the time just points out how religious claims are nonsensical and refutes claims other people.
So your mixing shit up. You can be a weak atheist and still anti-theist. Two different things. One is the reason you're atheist, the other is how you relate to religious claims. I don't argue against religion because of my atheism, that would be impossible. I argue against religion because of my anti-theism.
Gunnariffic 1 year ago
if you die today you guys going to hell or heaven??
did you keep god's 10 commandments???
did you lie??or stole something ?? then you are guilty??
no thief and laier is going to heaven!
GO AND FIND GOD AND HIS SON JESUS CHRIST!!!
nico1m 1 year ago
4:55 Are you a scientologist?
TrooperCX 1 year ago
the only claim atheists make is that your claim that god exists isn't true... we are waiting for evidence yo. anytime now. it's only been over 2000 years.
TrooperCX 1 year ago
Guilty of what? This god is paying for what? Its incompetence?
What a POS that little mealy god of the Buy-Bull truly is.
sol3a1 1 year ago
So all sins are the same? A little lie telling your wife is not fat makes one guilty as a rapist? Blow me.
The presupposition of the god of the buy-bull says we all sinned from the so called original sin. What a crock of crap. The only thing about a child being guilty is of original sin and the god of the buy-bull still will send them to hell
Face it, the god of the buy-bull is a prick
sol3a1 1 year ago
if you have to lie or rewrite the history of what actually happened, do you really WANT to hold those beliefs? it's more than restating what Matt ACTUALLY thinks in a way that makes you look like you were more on point than you were. In the actual call, you were stuffed away just like all the rest of the callers who profess faith. you got roped and corn holed and this video is an attempt to continue the fight after you've been knocked out.
tracietracieharrow 1 year ago
Although I appreciate your demeanor in this video you are engaging in wishful thinking. You wish there was such a thing as an all-powerful maximally great being. There is no reason to believe that is true...None whatsoever. Zero, Zilch, no evidence at all other than your very boring, very easily proven improbable Holy Bible. By saying god is maximally great you are pretty much saying you believe in Gandalf and ferries. You are probably a theist because your parents were theists. I am not guilty.
Jeffersonwazright 1 year ago
why does he have the right to break my legs for me existing
HereIsDavid 1 year ago
If God is infinitely benevolent and infinitely powerful, then he could find a way to let everyone into heaven. Otherwise, he's not infinitely benevolent.
The objection over his judgement isn't really about whether he can or can't. If he's the supreme authority, then he can do whatever he wants. But if he could forgive people but chooses not to because they didn't pray to him, then he's being a prick.
leifey 1 year ago
morals are a product of society lets say that a baby was raised by animals his morals would be quite different that yours morality is NOT endowed to you at birth you are taught what is moral and what is not
davedumas0 1 year ago
Hiding behind weak atheism? They have an atheist show. Atheists and theists call in. Theist present claims, he refutes them. At no point does he try to convert or assert he has evidence that god doesn't exist. (seeing how it's impossible to disprove a negative). The question "are you guilty" is dumb. It's to vague. Guilty of what? The definition is responsible for or chargeable with a reprehensible act. So any action that has an effect...So are you guilty of watching tv today? lame lame lame
oneildevo 1 year ago
Yes, of course we have all did bad things. And anyone has a right to judge anyone, if by judge you mean evaluate someone. Atheists don't have a problem with a god judging them, but only his unfair judgments. We don't deserve to go to hell simply because we didn't believe. It's not a choice to believe. We can't force ourselves to be convinced of something when we're not. Just like you couldn't force yourself to believe a little kid who tells you he has a real pet dragon.
PureLogic777 1 year ago
@PureLogic777
You dont go to hell for not believing. You go to hell for your sins. The wages of sin is death.
But God has sent His son into the world, that the world might not perish. He is the lamb of God that took away the sins of the world.
vbfl920 1 year ago
@vbfl920 But the christian next door says the exact opposite. When I go to the bible to determine which of you is correct, I realize that you are both actually right. It says both things. So once you christians figure out which parts are the good ones to follow, let us know. It's a small point regardless. Why does it sound like you are saying that jesus came to save us from god? Isn't that what you are really saying?
rrpostalagain 1 year ago
We are guilty for WHAT? We are born guilty, according to you, because some stupid cunt ate fruit from the tree that she wasn't supposed to 6,000 years ago. FUCK that, I'm not guilty, andhe would have no right to prejudge me for THAT.
Fuck you and your God, really dude. Open your eyes, your God is WRONG. Nobody is guilty, or can b