With all due respect. Sex is a powerful energy and is meant for procreation not sense gratification. When used simply to gratify the senses whether hetero or homo, sex can bind the soul to the material energy{body} forcing it to stay in this material realm. Homosexual,homosapien,dog,cat,short, fat, black, white,Sikh,Muslim these are temporary bodily identifications{FALSE EGO} our true identity is that of spirit souls and servitors of the Lord.Please forgive me if i made any offence.
this is stupid. guru nanak was a family man who encouraged family life. Being gay/lesbian comes under lust. it goes against sikh rehat. it undermines the anand karaj. if one wants to practice homosexuality, they can do but they should not call themselves sikhs..
Being gay is a sexual orientation in the same way that heterosexuality is. Being gay is no less "lustful" than being straight. Gay people can be famliy people too. Your comments stinks of quick assumptions and lack of appreciation of other people's experience and suffering. If you knew the subjective experience of being gay, you would be speaking a different tune.
I don't understand why people are being so offensive on this comment thread.
Homosexuality has a genetic basis, people. Grow up. Guruka Singh is absolutely right in that what does sexual orientation have to do with one's relationship between themselves and their Guru?
If homosexuals are genetically predisposes to be the way they are, why criticize them and their spirituality?
The purpose of Sikhs is to respect all, not discriminate.
I agree with Guruka Singh on this one. One's sexual identity is a complex process involving genetics, environmental conditions in the womb, and other circumstances beyond simple individual choice (please see wikipedia article regarding homosexuality). I used to hate gays until I realized the absurdity of hating people for being who they authentically are. To thyself be true. At the end of the day, we must live our own lives. As long as gays are not hurting others, what's the problem?
@TheOilyOctapus Oh Sikhs don't hate Gays. We only realize that they will not achieve jivan enlightenment while practicing their ways. Their Karma is their own. We don't care what they do, unless they claim that their actions are supported by the Guru's when they are clearly not.
Even in the time of the Guru's people were excommunicated from the sangat based upon their actions. Why is that if everyone is "good the way god created them?"
Thank you gmustuk. I remember writing that letter to you, well mostly and it was a very long time ago. I have come along way since then and had find answers for myself. And I enjoyed your answer also so I will thank you for your time and you are right. This video will cause a stir amongst people. May god bless you and others as well, no matter who it is. Everyone deserves gods love. I still believe that god gives others love also and that is the true blessing.
@preetnagra As far as I have seen Gurbani or the Gurus have not specifically addressed this issue. However they have addressed equality, acceptance of difference of beliefs and practice. Who is to judge who or what a Sikh is..or what is right or wrong? Certainly not me or you. That is between a Sikh and his Guru.
@gmustuk Because this was a non issue and hence needed no special mention. If love is the core subject of the matter then two men/women can still love each other without intercourse. Sex in Gurmat is 'just a tiny part' of a broader union between two opposite sexes and serves as a means to reproduce and not a source of pleasure. If it was otherwise I'm sure Gurus would have been pioneers in this as well and would have set an example exactly like they did with their shaheedis and other initiatives
@preetnagra I am certain it was not seen to be an issue in the Gurus time that is why they did not address it.
Love is experienced, it is felt, and often there is a need to have a "union" with the person you are in love with. This may be "lust" in your eyes, but when two people are deeply in love with one another engaging in a union deepens attachment to all.
Oh and do you mean a gay couple can live with one another, adopt a child and not engage in sex, and that is okay? There would be no lust
@gmustuk Also the comment below from 'killindawelfaremcs' has hit the nail on the head. I have thoroughly enjoyed your other videos and love them but this one has just shocked me. It has become a tendency these days to exploit the tolerant and accepetance virtues of sikhi by us to justify anything and everything. And this one has lowered the bar by some significant margin. Some issues beg a debate but this one to me at least and I guess to wider sangat is a no-brainer.
"Who is to judge what is right or wrong"? You must be kidding Gurumustuk. Why did the Guru's create an army to fight against wrong when you suggest right and wrong are the same thing? Are they really?
the fact is that sexuality serves a function. From a completely en-lighted perspective it is only for procreation. So any other engagement in sex without remembrance of God is ego based and evil..
That goes for most sex that people engage in as well as homosexuality because it is only an exercise in lust and desire. God is a creator...and so are his people. Engaging in non creative aspects of sex is clearly a deviation which only causes attachment to Maya.
@KillinDaWelfareMCs This is an opinion. Certainly heterosexual couples have lust as well. I know in India it is uncommon to see openly gay/lesbian partners, however in western countries it is more common. I have a number of friends who fall in this category and are awesome people. You must not know many gay/lesbian people. Sure some can fall in the category you are mentioning...but again there are many normal couples that would be just like heterosexual ones.
With all due respect. Sex is a powerful energy and is meant for procreation not sense gratification. When used simply to gratify the senses whether hetero or homo, sex can bind the soul to the material energy{body} forcing it to stay in this material realm. Homosexual,homosapien,dog,cat,short, fat, black, white,Sikh,Muslim these are temporary bodily identifications{FALSE EGO} our true identity is that of spirit souls and servitors of the Lord.Please forgive me if i made any offence.
TheManolakis 11 months ago
2:08 lol
Punjabisongz 11 months ago 4
this is stupid. guru nanak was a family man who encouraged family life. Being gay/lesbian comes under lust. it goes against sikh rehat. it undermines the anand karaj. if one wants to practice homosexuality, they can do but they should not call themselves sikhs..
jasbharj 11 months ago
@jasbharj:
"Being gay/lesbian comes under lust"
Being gay is a sexual orientation in the same way that heterosexuality is. Being gay is no less "lustful" than being straight. Gay people can be famliy people too. Your comments stinks of quick assumptions and lack of appreciation of other people's experience and suffering. If you knew the subjective experience of being gay, you would be speaking a different tune.
spacekangaroo 5 months ago
I don't understand why people are being so offensive on this comment thread.
Homosexuality has a genetic basis, people. Grow up. Guruka Singh is absolutely right in that what does sexual orientation have to do with one's relationship between themselves and their Guru?
If homosexuals are genetically predisposes to be the way they are, why criticize them and their spirituality?
The purpose of Sikhs is to respect all, not discriminate.
Hackiesacker007 1 year ago 20
@Hackiesacker007
Sikhs discriminate against what is called "paap", AKA sin.
KillinDaWelfareMCs 11 months ago
I agree with Guruka Singh on this one. One's sexual identity is a complex process involving genetics, environmental conditions in the womb, and other circumstances beyond simple individual choice (please see wikipedia article regarding homosexuality). I used to hate gays until I realized the absurdity of hating people for being who they authentically are. To thyself be true. At the end of the day, we must live our own lives. As long as gays are not hurting others, what's the problem?
TheOilyOctapus 1 year ago 8
@TheOilyOctapus Oh Sikhs don't hate Gays. We only realize that they will not achieve jivan enlightenment while practicing their ways. Their Karma is their own. We don't care what they do, unless they claim that their actions are supported by the Guru's when they are clearly not.
Even in the time of the Guru's people were excommunicated from the sangat based upon their actions. Why is that if everyone is "good the way god created them?"
KillinDaWelfareMCs 11 months ago
Thank you gmustuk. I remember writing that letter to you, well mostly and it was a very long time ago. I have come along way since then and had find answers for myself. And I enjoyed your answer also so I will thank you for your time and you are right. This video will cause a stir amongst people. May god bless you and others as well, no matter who it is. Everyone deserves gods love. I still believe that god gives others love also and that is the true blessing.
FanficFreak3 1 year ago 5
Not impressive Guruka. This was a very simple question and needn't be complicated and begged a simple answer in lines of Gurmat.
preetnagra 1 year ago
@preetnagra As far as I have seen Gurbani or the Gurus have not specifically addressed this issue. However they have addressed equality, acceptance of difference of beliefs and practice. Who is to judge who or what a Sikh is..or what is right or wrong? Certainly not me or you. That is between a Sikh and his Guru.
gmustuk 1 year ago 14
@gmustuk Because this was a non issue and hence needed no special mention. If love is the core subject of the matter then two men/women can still love each other without intercourse. Sex in Gurmat is 'just a tiny part' of a broader union between two opposite sexes and serves as a means to reproduce and not a source of pleasure. If it was otherwise I'm sure Gurus would have been pioneers in this as well and would have set an example exactly like they did with their shaheedis and other initiatives
preetnagra 1 year ago 2
@preetnagra I am certain it was not seen to be an issue in the Gurus time that is why they did not address it.
Love is experienced, it is felt, and often there is a need to have a "union" with the person you are in love with. This may be "lust" in your eyes, but when two people are deeply in love with one another engaging in a union deepens attachment to all.
Oh and do you mean a gay couple can live with one another, adopt a child and not engage in sex, and that is okay? There would be no lust
Tomatobear 11 months ago 4
@gmustuk Also the comment below from 'killindawelfaremcs' has hit the nail on the head. I have thoroughly enjoyed your other videos and love them but this one has just shocked me. It has become a tendency these days to exploit the tolerant and accepetance virtues of sikhi by us to justify anything and everything. And this one has lowered the bar by some significant margin. Some issues beg a debate but this one to me at least and I guess to wider sangat is a no-brainer.
preetnagra 1 year ago
@gmustuk
"Who is to judge what is right or wrong"? You must be kidding Gurumustuk. Why did the Guru's create an army to fight against wrong when you suggest right and wrong are the same thing? Are they really?
KillinDaWelfareMCs 1 year ago
the fact is that sexuality serves a function. From a completely en-lighted perspective it is only for procreation. So any other engagement in sex without remembrance of God is ego based and evil..
That goes for most sex that people engage in as well as homosexuality because it is only an exercise in lust and desire. God is a creator...and so are his people. Engaging in non creative aspects of sex is clearly a deviation which only causes attachment to Maya.
PS that rectum is a out only organ.
KillinDaWelfareMCs 1 year ago
@KillinDaWelfareMCs This is an opinion. Certainly heterosexual couples have lust as well. I know in India it is uncommon to see openly gay/lesbian partners, however in western countries it is more common. I have a number of friends who fall in this category and are awesome people. You must not know many gay/lesbian people. Sure some can fall in the category you are mentioning...but again there are many normal couples that would be just like heterosexual ones.
gmustuk 1 year ago 15
This is an uneducated response.
khalsa50 1 year ago
is it necessary that there be a precise answer... ?
eclipsepers0n 1 year ago
Its not a very precise answer.
khalsaAK47 1 year ago
best possible answer, thank you Mr. Singh
MommaElin 1 year ago
What a weird answer you've provided there Mr.Singh
hsbutoy 1 year ago
ram ram...sat nam!
DharamrajKaur 1 year ago