Response 2 of 3 to Book of Isaiah challenge by LJP

[gr8wg]

thank you for your learned opinion.

with respect may i ask you to expose more of your experience along the path of life. only you know what u have learned.

[wayisnarrow]

Hosea 1: 10

and the number of the sons of Israel hath been as the sand of the sea, that is not measured nor numbered, and it hath come to pass in the place where it is said to them, Ye [are] not My people, it is said to them, Sons of the Living God;

[wayisnarrow]

When asked how to pray Jesus said, "Our Father."

[pianokid100]

so is the "child" in this story Isaiahs son or not ? because there hasnt been world peace since the birth of his son

[prescottjohnson]

there is a 2B of 3 in my response which answers whose son it is referring to. but since you asked nicely :D it refers to Hezekiah, son of Ahaz. Hezekiah is the only descendant of David that came close to meriting the title of moshiach. Hezekiah also means "strength" or "might" of G-d.

[pianokid100]

but there hasnt been "never ending peace" since hezekiah and wolves are still mean :(

[prescottjohnson]

that is why i said that he was the closest to merit the title of moshiach. 2Kings 18:5 says that there was no king like him before or after. so of the kings in David's lineage he rises above them all. so Isaiah's prophecy wasn't necessarily hyperbole, as at that time it appeared to be, or COULD become a reality. the reason's for why this didn't happen isn't revealed in the text so I won't theorize here. but history has revealed that he was not the messiah, but it is possible that he could have.

[IWannabeJew]

...but he certainly was "A messiah", as Saul and David were.

[IWannabeJew]

There are words added in the KJV.

I don't believe wolves is a reference to real wolves. The wolf is the symbol of the tribe of Benjamin, for example.

[IWannabeJew]

"Prince of Peace" doesn't mean that there would be world peace. "ha-aretz" is better translated "the Land", not "the earth", which usually invokes a mental image of the whole planet.

[prescottjohnson]

and i believe that "peace without end" can also imply "complete peace" within an era, as opposed to universal eternal peace.

[lovejesusplz]

Why did you skip the verse 6? why did you ignored the word "Wonderful Counselor,Mighty God, Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace?"

I just wasted 10mins of expecting to hear your thoughts on this and you decided to skip going through the most crucial part of this verse?

[prescottjohnson]

wonderful counselor? how does that fit j.c. particularly, as opposed to someone else? Mighty G-d? He never calls himself G-d. And in what way did he act "mighty" that we cannot find other prophets doing the same things... and they weren't "G-d". Everlasting Father? But wasn't he the son? Prince of Peace "I have not come to bring peace..." matt 10. besides, if everything before 6 and after 6 isn't about him... how do you make verse 6 about him. but i listened to this again, and i didn't skip.

[lovejesusplz]

who is Jesus Christ to you?

[prescottjohnson]

exactly the problem. you start with that as a point of faith (NOT the result of study and proving the evidence). if j.c. is not messiah/god to me, then I will interpret these text in such as way as to NOT see j.c. . this would be seen as bias and be dismissed christians. but they fail to acknowledge that they are doing the exact same thing, committing the exact same "bias". they "believe" therefore, the paint images of j.c. into everything they read.

[pianokid100]

Gabriel means "mighty God" does that mean i can start a new religion where the angel Gabrielle is a God ? the word God doesnt even exist in the BIble . The word elohim used there has also been used to call humans , so even if the verse meant that the person born was going to be "mighty God" and not that his name would mean "mighty God" like Gabrielle and many others, it would still not prove anything regarding Jesus being God. Teh fact that this being is "born" disqualifies him from being "God"

[IWannabeJew]

The man speaks to you about the Bible for 10 minutes + and you call it "wasted"? Are you REALLY a seeker of biblical truth?

[Jaynagurl1]

There's also so much symbolism in Isaiah that Christians I've met already understand, yet still believe are references to the NT. 5/5 :)

[inmyheart313131]

Christians pick and choose passages out of context to make it look like Jesus. They mistranslate, take out of context, and distort things that are not even prophecy.

[IWannabeJew]

Right, like the Psalms, for example.

Are there Christians who appeal to Amy Grant's CD's for support for their pet doctrines?

[inmyheart313131]

I wouldn't put it past some of them lol

[ReligionThink]

Excellent 5 stars.

[ReligionThink]

Thanks for this series it's good to know that I may have been on the right track. Nicely done.