I feel sorry for this man - all he wants is healthcare and for people like him in other countries its free healthcare here in America its no healthcare - this is just sad
Welcome to the USA... where you can come here illegally and get an Education, Housing, Food, a Car, Medical Care, etc. but if you were born here, paid into the system your whole life, worked hard and then the Government ruins the economy, you get NOTHING! If you are poor, you are seen as less than human, but if you steal from poor people, you are a great Patriotic American.
What he doesnt know is that he will go to a place with worse healthcare. If he isnt going to die from that groth, they will do nothing. Diabetic's die in prison all the time, who had it before they were arrested. If he wanted healthcare, he should sell his condo in florida. He said he wants to go to jail untill he is old enough for SSA. Then he can live in his condo on the beach in Florida, for the rest of his life. Its so bad here in the usa. let him go to Bangladesh or west Africa.
@MrApplewine then what do you call it when one culture says they have more rights then another? when they say whites have the rights to own slaves that's an individuals right to own or when they say a German has the right to assault and discriminate against Jews those are individual rights given to only those of a select group, and as rights are given they are always changing
@cloudvszell That is called a person who does not what the word "rights" means. Anyone who tries to define the word in that way will create a contradiction. That is however, how people try to define the word today. But it is not possible to define a concept with a contradiction. You cannot have a right to some one else's life or property or labor. A right is not result, it is a moral concept of action. You have a right to pursue and act so long as you don't violate another's rights.
@MrApplewine no rights by definition are . an entitlement to something, whether to concepts like justice and due process, or to ownership of property or some interest in property, real or personal. These rights include various freedoms, protection against interference with enjoyment of life and property, civil rights enjoyed by citizens such as voting etc...these are all things given to you or bought they can be taken away as well in the cases of slaver, prisoner, etc...
@dffykvn I didn't even define individual rights and freedom in my reply to you. But it does have a definition of corse, which has nothing to do with what I want it to mean. You seem to fear or hate individual rights and freedom. It allows individuals to create the most wealth for themselves so they are the best off they can be.
@MrApplewine ya it allows people to back stab cheat lie and everything else just to better one person not a whole not a community not the entire civilization just one! so if to help just one he hurts or disadvantages hundreds its ok for the one that is your idea of freedom? that's the same ideology that lead to slavery and to the holocaust instead of working together to better everyone's life you choose one, one race one gender one class the exact same thing slave owners and Hitler worshiped
By 2014 when his guy comes out, hopefully the affordable care act will save this guy from being a criminal again! look at what happens w/o universal healthcare all you selfish conservatives.
James Verone is a fukken hero IMHO. I'd like to see an ocean of disenfranchised people doing the same thing. People should show up en masse at banks and get arrested so they can get health coverage. Then perhaps America will wake up and give people a real alternative to the criminal racket that is private insurance.
There is no moral argument against universal health care. Indeed all the arguments against are by definition immoral. Not only that but most of them are bullshit...
The only argument against it are the market fundamentalists (as insane, murderous and destructive as any other fundy group) spouting the tenets of their religious faith
How it violates the commandments set down by The Profit Peace Be Upon Her Ayn Rand, Hayyek, Mises and all of the other delusional loons
Their way of arguing is a bizarre synthesis of religion and economist bullshit
Basically: It's morally wrong to impede the "Galts" "right" to rape the economy and destroy the environment
@Tuuliska Just like you said. "Corporate America". Jails and Prisons are going private or Corporate. The Corporate jails pay judges to be less merciful and give people the higher end of punishment so that they can get more "customers" in their facilities and more tax payer money.
I don't get people who are against obamacare. So what you pay a little more taxes. People aren't going to die because of that. But noooooo everything is about money
Several years ago the was another guy in the news doing this.
In that case, the man DID have a gun, but he pretty much did the same thing as this guy...
He walked into a bank with a gun, quietly pointed it at a teller, and handed her a note saying words to the effect of "Please call the police and tell them that this is a robbery. I'm sorry."
There were congressmen and judges saying what a discrace the healthcare system was. He got his medicine and a pardon.
I really feel bad for this guy, part of me thinks everyone should have access to health insurance, but one of the major flaws in humans is that once something is "free" it is then abused. I take care of myself and try to keep healthy, I don't really want to pay for the healthcare of someone eating deep-fried snickers bars for breakfast. If you talk to nurses and people in the healthcare field, it's the medicare/ medicaid types that are the most non-complient in healthy living.
Well I didn't want to pay for five wars at a cost of over $3trillion, but no-one asked me about it. Yemen, Pakistan, Libya, Iraq, Afghanistan. Endless, pointless war. I'd rather that money was spent feeding the starving, on scientific research, education, and healthcare for all. We can all take care of ourselves, but anyone can get cancer, have a heart attack, back problems etc.
I am NOT surprised!!! I mentioned this as an option when I was on the early show last year. People e-mail my website willmarryforhealthinsurance everyday saying they will do this. Most say it needs to be a post office so it will be a federal crime and wont get out too quickly
The odd thing is that he probably saved the State money (in terms of medical bills, not cops, judges and prison). In that stealing a little bit of money for preventative screening and surgery is way less expensive than what it would cost the state compared to way more expensive and severe (stated funded) surgery when he is near death in the emergency room.
Whats with the scaled view on republicans? These guys seem like fucking stupid democrats.....damn right they should work for the shit they get, excuse me for thinking that you dont just have everything given to you. Life sucks, fucking deal with it you pussies.
@dffykvn My age means nothing in this. You should have to work for things. There are exceptions, as with everything, but in general, things shouldnt just be free. Ive worked my ass off for all the things i own, including the laptop im typing this on. Its fuckign ignorant to think that you should just be given something cuz of a bad situation.
Theres a difference between laptops and health insurance
If computer stores operated like health insurers operated then you'd pay for your laptop, then a few months later they take the laptop from you for a completely arbitrary reason and not give you a cent back
If you haven't had any relatives pay for insurance their entire lives then get kicked off the rolls for the horrible crime of getting really sick and the insurer drops them for no reason then you arent in the real world kiddo
@TriIsAMooCow you haven't worked for shit mate. You think you earned that laptop just because you paid for it? Human society doesn't stop at the checkout. The whole rest of society collectively supports your ass and mine.
@eedobee No i think i earned it because i worked for the money for it, how hard is it to get a fucking job? Go to school, actually try, not even try 100% since the current school system is so fucking watered down down its ridiculous, and then get a job with healthcare, its really not that hard and i guess i am an idiot for thinking that people should have to work for shit.
How hard is it to get a f'ing job...let me think. I know a guy with a Masters degree in engineering that has been unemployed for over a year. I know many people with Bachelors degrees that can't find jobs right now. And I know MANY, MANY people without health care (contrary to your...opinion, most are not deadbeats).
I see you're only 16. Let me guess, you live with your parents? Do you really know the real world well enough to make brash comments like that?
@wby3006 Im 16, i have a job, i live with my old man, who works his ass off for things like this, healthcare and the likes, i know that we are in a recession or whatever you want to say, but if a 16 yr old can find a job, im sure a 59 yr old can find a job with at least semi coverage. I do "know the real world" contrary to your...and many other opinions, just because someone is underage doesnt mean we are ignorant to the world around us.
@afortaleza Yea, we republicans love a system where premiums rise every year to accommodate larger bonuses
What you want to use the money MEANT for executive bonuses to HELP PEOPLE!?
What are you some kinda leftist nazi socialist that believes spending a billion dollars on people is preferable to spending it on yachts and golden toilets!? YOU SOCIALIST NAZI MAOIST STALINIST
What could be wrong with our system where you pay to 40 have it skyrocket and you lose it when you get sick?
Thank You Mr.Bush and Obama you fucking piece of shit, you spend our money on your stupid fake fucking wars "War On Terror" BS and driving our country into POVERTY. Don't think this isn't going to happen to everyone, this is just the start, we're al going to be living in a 3rd world country. I have an idea, why doesn't the military invade yet another country so we can get raped even more. Fuck this shit I'm sick and tired of my tax money, WHICH I WORK for, getting WASTED on horseshit.
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US policy = survival of the fittest and the weak get left by the wayside to die - well guess what?..that was Hitlers NAZI policy too..suprised?..you yanks had better get your asses in gear and take care of your needy citizens.
If it's one country where violence is always encouraged in combination with the ultra-individualist "take care of yourself" it's the United States of America.
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This guy took care of himself and didn't force those poor Republican multi-billionaire frauds to pay taxes for it. Way to go.
What a sad, sad state of affairs. The irony of robbing a Canadian bank to obtain healthcare is so thick you can spread it on toast. But why is it that Americans provide healthcare to low income citizens through incarceration while Canadians provide it in clinics and hospitals?
As of 2009 (the latest i could look up) 7,225,800 people were imprisoned in the US that is more than the rest of the world combined, Either we are totally evil as a personal nation or our government is more oppressive than any other on earth. Freedom my rump its either a cubicle prison or a cement one for us here in the US.
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For the past couple years, I've been volunteering at a free health clinic that treats these patients with no health insurance. We operate entirely due to charitable donations, as most free health clinics do. If any of you guys have spare time, money, or unused medicine, you should consider a donation. :)
69? Are you serious? I can't believe my mom is republican when she has severe arthritis and is dying to get to retirement age so she doesn't have to be in agonizing pain all day. Well I've got news for her.
@texformer You mean that conservative hack? Yeah I'm sure a lot of people here are going to rush over to watch that loser. Same guy that depicts Union Leaders as thugs forcing people to join by gun point; Yeah that guy is definitely in touch with reality.
don't listen to this man, he is unpatriotic. Make sure you pay your tax so the government could give your tax money to the big banks. Stealing from the poor is patriotic and stealing from the rich is a sin. If you disagree with what I just said than your are a socialist, liberal scum. God bless America!
Cenk & Ana, please explain why people that planned and save money and buy their own healthcare should pay for someone who did not plan or save money to buy their own healthcare?
It's not that I have no compassion but you need to think about this... What if everyone was like this person? Someone has to pay and provide the care....
@thecosmos003 You know who paid into healthcare and planed for it? EVERY SINGLE AMERICAN (by paying taxes, by working and even by buying beer) ..But the money they payed was STOLEN & REDISTRUBUTED to the poor-rich and corporations (helped & defended by bought corporate-bots and dummies like you.. ) Nobody is asking for "Compassion" . In a Civilized country EVERYBODY has the right to have their dignity respected ..Ever heard of SOLIDARITY ?
@thecosmos003 See talk like this, the Lord is gonna give you what you ask for do you know that? You shouldn't talk like this cah these are the times it will touch you
@thecosmos003 What's funny about your comment is that in order for this situation to have existed, it required the for profit system with prisoners having better health coverage than uninsured citizens. You make the awkward assertion that he wasn't trying to save up for this when he was simply making too little. I'm sure you would have thought he should have worked until he died saving up to get treatment, but then you're an idiot who is willing to chance peoples lives over ideology [I assume].
In the immortal words of Glenn Beck, "Sad day for you!". That is the opinion of conservatives when it comes to people like the guy in this video! I've said it a million times Conservatism IS the problem in America!
@TheDalinkwent So did you look over the numbers? or did you just ignore it? I know facts are difficult to swallow, and it may mean that someone you were listening to lied to you. Its okay, i've been burned many times as well. But you can't fight the facts.
@bluefootedpig, Actually yes I did ignore your numbers considering they don't even makes sense. Your telling me facts are hard things to swallow, while saying nonsense that social programs make up 100% of our budget, any sane person could see holes in that logic.
@TheDalinkwent Gotcha, so i linked the US budget so you can see for yourself, and you didn't look then you say I don't make sense... riiight... Okay, at least you were brave enough to admit that you don't want to look at actual numbers.
@bluefootedpig, Do you really think your the first conservative to use a non-partison website to argue your point, only to twist the numbers to reach your desired conclusion? I already know the government spends less than 13% on social programs and over 60% on defense.
@TheDalinkwent Sweet, please link then. Because that doesn't add up. Cuz the government reports this:
Military: 664B
Police: 130B
Transportation: 159B
Education: 755B
SS: 1225B
Health: 884B
Parks: 30B
That is just a slight cover of what was spent in 2009. So military 60%, yet is less than education. So can you please look at this offical US released budget, and explain to me how military is 60% yet less than education?
@davejsmith Sure, 5 million. Lets compare digits to digits, a simple math concept. 5 million, so our base will be in millions. So the missle costs 5. Our military budget is 664,000. That is 7 x 10 ^-6% of the budget. To fire 1,000 missiles is less than 1% of the military budget. So I am not sure what your point is. The conversation was that dalinkwent thought miliitary was > 60% of our budget, yet we can see education costs more.
@cloudvszell You have suggested it, but can you please explain what happens when you put a price cap on something? I beg you, look up the effects of a price cap on anything and come back and tell me the results.
@bluefootedpig that isnt a price a cap its a safety net for example in the last 10 years the healthcare system cost 100billion in its worst year i would put off to the side 150 billion if by chance the it goes over the 100billion set 4 years ago then oh well its covered its really bad and needs extra funding then you find money for it if it requires less the you have money to either save or use towards mri and ct or other equipment and then every 5 years adjust as needed
@cloudvszell Okay, so what you are suggestings is that there is no price controls and thus you will have rampent spending, worse than what the US has now. With most americans having diet issues, causing massive amounts of doctor care. Studys have already shown that the rise in healthcare costs is becuase we have people using it when it isn't needed. So how does planning X amount of money going to reduce how many doctor visits a person makes?
@bluefootedpig Look at the British system of healthcare, doctors are rewarded if patents get healthier and government keeps tight regulations on medicine and other costs... so people have free coverage with results.
The doctor is the only person that can dictate number of visits, prescriptions and treatment. Never have limits to healthcare, but have motivations and goals in place for the government and doctors.
@davejsmith Okay, i did a quick google search on the British healthcare system. I am finding a load of articles of denial of medications, outsourcing to india, etc. I mean yeah it is great to reward for patients getting better, that is a huge step.
According to "IEA Health and Welfare Unit" in London, The Uk ranks 15th out of 17 of the EU for cancer, heart attack, and stroke.
"There is little doubt that rationing is the root cause of these
@bluefootedpig I've been all over world and mentioned the UK system because of quality, efficiency, access to care. The UK ranks 2nd in cancer treatment and its free for all citizens. The US spends more then any other country on the list of 7 and is in 1st place, but treatment isn't free and only the treated were counted. "study of seven industrialised countries" US ranks 7th.
@davejsmith Can you please link me that study taht says the UK is 2nd? the one I found labled it 15th out of 17. If you have a different study, that would be nice to see a different point of view.
I looked up more news, ran across this news report "The United Kingdom in particular comes out badly in the tables, showing cancer survival rates that are among the worst in Europe."
And that the EU is lagging behind the US in cancer survival rates.
@davejsmith Sorry to comment again, but I kept digging around, I cannot find anywhere that says what you stated. I am finding mounds of evidence about how the US cancer survial is about 10-20% higher in the US than the EU in general.
"Europe’s survival rates are lower than in the US, where 66.3 per cent of men and 62.9 per cent of women survive for five years, compared with 47.3 per cent of European men and 55.8 per cent of women. "
@bluefootedpig I believe the study is called "study of seven industrialized countries". There are many countries in Europe that would bring the average down. Just include strong industrial countries.
@davejsmith Well the studies i was looking at was each individually within the EU, then the other studies were Britian, canada and US compairsons.
I ran a search on that quote line, looked at the first page of google, the only study labeled that was about diet and mainly finland and japan. So I can't find any evidence at all, after several google searches that support even in teh faintest what you are suggesting.
@bluefootedpig for it to work though you have to look at all costs what every hospital has to pay all expenditures and then regulate making it impossible for the cost of a cast to suddenly increase just because there is more money available and so on
@cloudvszell Sorry, didn't read this one... so you are suggest a price cap. You said figure out the cost and put a price cap on how fast it can go up. That is price fixing, and look up what price fixing does. Hell, even the FED Revserve does this. They limit how much interest can move up and down, and we can see how royally fucked up every country with a central bank is doing. And you want to copy that into the healthcare?
@bluefootedpig its not a price cap im not saying this is the amount of money you have for the year if you go over to bad, what im saying is set aside that money so its there already take the worst year set aside more then the worst year needed if you have a bad year you should be covered if not then it needs to more funding and with a 5 year adjustment period it is would always be set to what the trend is plus having extra in case of an emergency
@cloudvszell You said "making it impossible for the cost of a cast to suddenly increase", that is a price cap. You are limiting the rates of someone, saying you must not increase your prices, or you can only increase by X amount. What do you think a price cap is?
@bluefootedpig i said the price of a cast cant go suddenly up just because there will be more money available meaning if the cost of materials labor or whatever dictates the cost must go up the cost goes up but not because there is more money available so there must be a legit reason for the increase in cost not some made up bullshit just to try and get more money out of it
@bluefootedpig besides your missing the point of the way of it would not be a for profit industry the way im saying im saying this at cost what does it cost to operate once you take the profit out of the equation the price drops considerably there no way in hell one cast is worth 10k at cost of making i would find it hard to believe its even worth 2k at cost
@bluefootedpig what im saying is this in 10 years the total cost of health care is 1. 100B 2. 125B 3. 115bB 4. 100B 5. 135B 6. 110B 7. 150B 8. 125B 9. 125B 10. 135B the worst year was 150billion and the largest leap from one year to the next was 40 billion so then i set aside 200bilion to compensate for any huge fluxes then in 5 years i re adjust to what the trend is if the cost goes higher then the predicted amount you should be covered as long as the following year or previous year was below
@cloudvszell I understand what you are saying. But you are not fixing the problem of rising costs. A c-section birth in america costs 50-60k, while in canada through private non government funded is only 10k. Same operation, but why is it 5 times more expensive in america? Medical has been going at about 8-10% inflation while wages are only going up 4%. So what you are proposing is more and more taxes without fixing the issue, which is rising costs. Your plan would fail after X years.
@bluefootedpig the cost is huge only because of for profit like i said about the broken leg in the states could cost upto 10k for what a cast? and an hours work at most but how else are you going to make proif in a hospital through stitches no your going to make it by charging huge amounts on anything that requires more then 5 mins of work ie broken bone, basic surgery ct or mri's and so on once you take the profit out of these services the cost is ridiculously low
@cloudvszell You seem to ignore that right now, medical field is not open to the market. It is closed, heavily regulated by huge drug companies, that sue doctors for not prescribing their drugs. In the open market, some areas of the US, they have seen a drop in prices from 250 a doctor visit to about 40. That is what the free market did, instantly. You want prices to come down? monopoly is not the way to go. Even non-profit, there is still profits. Silly to think non-profit means no profit.
@bluefootedpig ya there is instances where non profit things make a profit off of it but that is all based on imperfections and greed and besides just because some non profits actulaly make a profit does not mean all will do the same thing hence why i don't think all conservatives are religious sheep or that all liberals are socialists a few does not represent the whole to fix the problem a lot of regulation and laws will need to be passed.
@cloudvszell See, that is where you and I differ. Take Texas, where a new clinic that uses nurses to handle patients, and the doctor to do the big things. Kind of like a dentist where the denist assistant cleans your teeth. The average doctor visit is between 30-50, a prescription about 15 bucks. Compare that to the highly regulated medical system, where a cheap doctor visit is 200 and prescription is over 100. So is 50 bucks killer to see a doctor? cheaper than cable tv for 1 month.
@mecher3k Right, how about you spend... 5 seconds on a google search. Look up walmart clinic. They are one of the first and perhaps the largest right now to offer doctor visits. Cost is 35-50 a visit. They are ran by RN's with one head doctor. So you can call it bs, but that just shows that you hear something from a left wing news and don't actually look into the topic, which is a sign of being a sheep. BAAAA!!!
@mecher3k Hm... dispite stats showing other countires with such systems have better healthcare, yet they are going bankrupt, and having riots in the streets about the cuts. Yeah that sounds good.
Those clinics are in Texas right now, and quickly spreading. I do not know what all states they are in currently, as it depends on local law.
If you want to look at other countries, realize they don't have min wage either. So are you for no min wage as well? or do you pick and choose what you like?
"If you want to look at other countries, realize they don't have min wage either. "
What other countries? God you are retarded, first you believe there is a cure for diabetes, and then you are typing meaningless sentences. Well you've been doing that for a long time now, I just quoted one.
"So are you for no min wage as well?"
No because no one is willing to work minimum wage now unless they are an illegal immigrant who will send that money back to their home country.
@bluefootedpig you always neglect to realize the system would not be for profit meaning the c section at most would cost the system a couple thousand as doctors aren't on an hourly rate but salary so all your cost would be is the equipment and materials the only time it might cost extra is if its an emergency and they need to bring in on call doctors
@cloudvszell While that sounds nice, let me ask you, if you were on salary, paid if you work or not, would you work more or less? You get paid the same remember, and in any given day, you see maybe 100+ people, each wanting you to fix them. If you help, you are paid the same as if you don't help. If they leave or die, you don't get paid any differently. Oh, and if you perform surgery, then you are at risk of being sued, or the hospital. So would you work more or less being on salary?
@bluefootedpig exactly why i dont like salary pay but with salary pay ther is also a contract so in the contract is very easy to right in the person must work 8 hours a week 5 days a week as for sueing hence waiver forms for when you into surgery and really thats more of a states sue to get rich mentality
@cloudvszell Even saying to work 8 hours, if there is no business there is no business. If you get paid salary, so you are paid if you work or not, and you are the one to decide if surgery is needed, then why do it? You would be fighting to not work, or at least that is what I would be doing. And a waiver? what if the doctor really screws something up, like that happens several times a year. Would the person who got perm damage and signed the waiver just going to be screwed?
@bluefootedpig why do it because ytour paid more when your a surgeon besides family doctors and er doctors rarely do surgeries but send patient to go get it done so your scenario doesn't make much sense, as for the waiver yes if it happens multiple times its called malpractise and carries criminal charges with it,but one time in 100k is an accident. but any ways you have this idea that doctor will do nothing if they are on salary funny thing is they are now and still work
@cloudvszell depends on how you look at it. Right now the doctors are only on salary if they work for a big hospital. If you ever have been to these doctors, compared to a private practice, there are worlds difference. A private practice has less waiting time, more doctor time, and in my history, the doctors spend more time trying to figure out what is wrong and not just send you off to tests. So I see a huge difference in my quality of care when it is salary vs non-salary doctors.
@bluefootedpig coming from a guy who is going to be going into the healthcare field i would and will spend as much time as needed to come up with a diagnosis or a theory of whats wrong that's why test are done so a doctor who send you for test is doing there job one that looks at you and talks to you for 20 mins and does no tests is not diagnosing just assuming whats wrong
@cloudvszell That is true. The other thing is that doctors also assume a one pill one problem. Like people who go onto blood pressure medication. We have a 100% cure to high blood pressure. We even have a cure for type 2 diabetes. Yet we see so many people not only be diagnosed, but living on those. So I hope you take the time to actually study things like nutrition, as science is now showing that to be the number 1 reason for disease, yet most students only take 1 class.
@bluefootedpig there re many things involved with the disease proses yes nutrition is part of it but not the most significant part of it as there are stress, immune, genetics, and so on that all play a part of it the reason people live on pills with type 2 diabetes is because there bodies no longer use insulin as it should or do not produce enough so the pills enable it to work or provide more, as for high blood pressure it will cause problems left alone but has thousands of causes
@cloudvszell Well, lets look at studies. Of those that go vegan in the studies, 95% were cured of high blood pressure and everyone who maintained the diet for 12 months or longer were no longer type 2 diabetic. Genetics accounts for less than 2% of diseases. Immune and stress are things that can be controlled through diet as well. Evidence again supports that diets play a factor in stress and the immune system. Look up cancerproject org as they have all the studies done on disease and diet.
@bluefootedpig 1) yes so you took the one reason of high blood pressure being diet what about the other 999 other reasons that can cause high blood pressure? and even when some one goes from eating a steak a day to vegan there still is massive amounts of exercise also to help as the reason probably is they are either obese or have high cholesterol lvls as for genetics playing only 2 % bullshit yes maybe only 2% is genetic disorders but genetics can make you more susceptible to viruses or other
@cloudvszell The 2% is only what they are figuring now. It is swinging more and more towards environment. It used to be 100% environment, then it was almost pure genetics (i have the fat gene!) and now it is going to a more blended model. But they do know genetically you are at lower risk. And great news, vegan cures those that have genetically high blood pressure. You say 999 other reasons, but this one method cures over 95%. If any pill cured 95% of cancer, would you care?
@bluefootedpig 2) things as for the immune system yes to some degree it helps the immune system ie when you eat broccoli with a virus on it and your body fights it and creates memory T/B cells or by giving the proper nutritional values needed to create immune cells but then there are those with auto immune disease whose immune system does not function properly which diet can not help, and even when it comes to a virus an antiviral med will help you more then a glass of oj
@cloudvszell You would be surprised about what recent science is saying about this as well. With a more healthy diet, your immune system doesn't go haywire as often. They are finding that people with arthritis, can live a much better quality life by going vegan. But for autoimmune diseases, it helps as well. The foods are more natural and react better than processed foods.
True, medicine will cure something better than oj, but take the average vegan and see how often they get sick.
@bluefootedpig 3) as for stress it helps by the idea of if you eat well you will feel well but im talking about physical stress the kind you put on your body that diet has not effect on diet has its place yes but it is not an end all cure for everything you would know this if you took a pathology course of even a basic level
@cloudvszell I am not saying it is a "cure" for everything, but I think a lot of the diseases and problems we have is due to diet. Even physical stress, having food that is designed to be healthy for you, reduces the stress and fatigue on your body. Everyone who goes vegan comments on how much more energy they have. Not to mention plants contains nutrients that are mood elevators, thus people are also generally happier. So less stress on digestion and more energy helps people be happy.
@mecher3k You think diet has NOTHING to do with disease? all that fast food has NOTHING to do with being overweight? There is a saying, better to be thought a fool than to open your mouth and remove all doubt. I ask you to actually think about that.
@mecher3k Well, there are things like... oh i dunno... looking at diet? more than half of all doctors in the US have taken 0 classes on nutrition, while about 25% have taken 1. That is being generous as I don't have the numbers in front of me. So when a 300 pound man walks into your office with high blood pressure, what gets done? a pill or a strict diet to get him off it? As someone who has been through the system, i'll tell you, it is a pill. They barely talk about diet.
I will reply to only this because all you can do is lie and strawman.
They barely talk about it because they know the person listening already knows this as they already have told them to lose weight and they wouldn't have this problem. But they don't want that, so they want the pill.
Derp Derp.
Go take that herbal remedy that does nothing, and is proven by science to do nothing.
@mecher3k Some don't have any effect, true. Science is also showing though that chemotherapy only works 2% of the time, yet people do that every time they get cancer.
But they give a pill because that is all the patient wants, since when was the patient a medical expert? Since when did going to the doctor become the same as going to the store?
@bluefootedpig As someone who has been through the system, i'll tell you, it is a pill. They barely talk about diet
as im pretty sure you live in the states it might have to do with your countries huge sue to get right ideology if a doctor where to tell a 300 pound man i will not give you a pill you have to lose weight cause your fat that's why you have high bp discrimination law suit so its just easier to say ya here take this two times a day and get you out the door then chance a law suit.
@dffykvn Now how does that fix anything? Because then all that's left is people like you with their heads stuck so far up their own ass that they don't even know how to express disagreement in any other form than obscene condmenation.
@dffykvn A lot of countries with public healthcare come to America to get healthcare because they can't get treatment in a timely fashion because the government takes forever to approve coverage - which they rarely do. If you're willing to kill people like me then why would you want to spare violent rapists and murderers who are just going to get out of jail and do the same thing again?
@uuumd No rich people in those countries come to america for treatments done by top people in certain fields, there are specialists in europe rich americans go to too :P
The poor in those countries get preventative care which keeps small problems from developing into fatal ones
Read the fucking constitution that 1 part about cruel and unusual punishment
Who the fuck are you to say someone in prison should just be killed
I'll treat you like a human being when your solutions are humane
The sad thing about far-right U.S conservatives is that they constantly lie and make things up, and aren't trying to hide it even.
Is it Glenn Beck the Prophet's talk about the Australian PM going to the U.S for luxury services that is bothering you?
The governments "rarely approve coverage"...? Do you have vacuum in your head? The government is obliged to approve universal healthcare insurance to ALL, only commercial insurance companies deny coverage.
@uuumdm are you a god damn moron the government does not go one by one on who gets to see a doctor or who gets a treatment you moron the only thing that slows treatment time is a lack of equipment because its not for profit so it takes time for new equipment to be bought for each hospital once a person is diagnosed they are treated there isn't some magical back room where a govt official watches every diagnosis to say if they get treatment or not so seriously stop being a paranoid freak
YouTube has a video about robbing a bank to get healthcare.
This is a song and video about" Road Hog", a hobo, who robbed a bank so he would be sent to federal prison to get healthcare. Sung by Banjo Fred Starner to Pete Seeger. It is part of a documentary about hobos, " That's The Ticket Road Hog, The Hobo's Song".
I feel sorry for this man - all he wants is healthcare and for people like him in other countries its free healthcare here in America its no healthcare - this is just sad
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TheBankraeuber 1 month ago
Fuck the System
SuperNeutronX 2 months ago
FUCK USA and their bullshit system!
brsdkhs 3 months ago
HOW DISGUSTING USA IS NOW
elenavlada 7 months ago
Welcome to the USA... where you can come here illegally and get an Education, Housing, Food, a Car, Medical Care, etc. but if you were born here, paid into the system your whole life, worked hard and then the Government ruins the economy, you get NOTHING! If you are poor, you are seen as less than human, but if you steal from poor people, you are a great Patriotic American.
TwiztedAnimator 7 months ago
that jail doctor was mad
vnelly3 7 months ago
@vnelly3
He should just shut up and do his damn job - taking care of his patients.
wby3006 6 months ago
What he doesnt know is that he will go to a place with worse healthcare. If he isnt going to die from that groth, they will do nothing. Diabetic's die in prison all the time, who had it before they were arrested. If he wanted healthcare, he should sell his condo in florida. He said he wants to go to jail untill he is old enough for SSA. Then he can live in his condo on the beach in Florida, for the rest of his life. Its so bad here in the usa. let him go to Bangladesh or west Africa.
Bret1Maverick 7 months ago
fake and gay
ConVic73d 7 months ago
@cloudvszell if you think idividual rights and freedom caused slavery and the holocaust then you have been drinking some serious propaganda.
MrApplewine 7 months ago
@MrApplewine then what do you call it when one culture says they have more rights then another? when they say whites have the rights to own slaves that's an individuals right to own or when they say a German has the right to assault and discriminate against Jews those are individual rights given to only those of a select group, and as rights are given they are always changing
cloudvszell 7 months ago
@cloudvszell That is called a person who does not what the word "rights" means. Anyone who tries to define the word in that way will create a contradiction. That is however, how people try to define the word today. But it is not possible to define a concept with a contradiction. You cannot have a right to some one else's life or property or labor. A right is not result, it is a moral concept of action. You have a right to pursue and act so long as you don't violate another's rights.
MrApplewine 7 months ago
@MrApplewine no rights by definition are . an entitlement to something, whether to concepts like justice and due process, or to ownership of property or some interest in property, real or personal. These rights include various freedoms, protection against interference with enjoyment of life and property, civil rights enjoyed by citizens such as voting etc...these are all things given to you or bought they can be taken away as well in the cases of slaver, prisoner, etc...
cloudvszell 7 months ago
the subtitles are fucking gash ahaha
punknick2333 8 months ago
@dffykvn I didn't even define individual rights and freedom in my reply to you. But it does have a definition of corse, which has nothing to do with what I want it to mean. You seem to fear or hate individual rights and freedom. It allows individuals to create the most wealth for themselves so they are the best off they can be.
MrApplewine 8 months ago
@MrApplewine i made my own video for this would u mind watching it pleaseee
LandonProduction 8 months ago
@MrApplewine ya it allows people to back stab cheat lie and everything else just to better one person not a whole not a community not the entire civilization just one! so if to help just one he hurts or disadvantages hundreds its ok for the one that is your idea of freedom? that's the same ideology that lead to slavery and to the holocaust instead of working together to better everyone's life you choose one, one race one gender one class the exact same thing slave owners and Hitler worshiped
cloudvszell 7 months ago
good idea. I have to walk with a cane now because i lost my job and my insurance. I've thought the same thing. I'm only 35.
thorspinky 8 months ago
By 2014 when his guy comes out, hopefully the affordable care act will save this guy from being a criminal again! look at what happens w/o universal healthcare all you selfish conservatives.
dmcarefuldriver 8 months ago
I didn't know there was RBC in the States.
MrCrazyCanuk 8 months ago
James Verone is a fukken hero IMHO. I'd like to see an ocean of disenfranchised people doing the same thing. People should show up en masse at banks and get arrested so they can get health coverage. Then perhaps America will wake up and give people a real alternative to the criminal racket that is private insurance.
geffel 8 months ago 2
There is no moral argument against universal health care. Indeed all the arguments against are by definition immoral. Not only that but most of them are bullshit...
DrSpooglemon 8 months ago 2
The only argument against it are the market fundamentalists (as insane, murderous and destructive as any other fundy group) spouting the tenets of their religious faith
How it violates the commandments set down by The Profit Peace Be Upon Her Ayn Rand, Hayyek, Mises and all of the other delusional loons
Their way of arguing is a bizarre synthesis of religion and economist bullshit
Basically: It's morally wrong to impede the "Galts" "right" to rape the economy and destroy the environment
dffykvn 8 months ago
Turns out that in Corporate America, criminals are treated better than poor people. Who's surprised?
Tuuliska 8 months ago 34
@Tuuliska Jesus
CanadianSabre 6 months ago
@Tuuliska Just like you said. "Corporate America". Jails and Prisons are going private or Corporate. The Corporate jails pay judges to be less merciful and give people the higher end of punishment so that they can get more "customers" in their facilities and more tax payer money.
MrBwhite99 1 month ago
I don't get people who are against obamacare. So what you pay a little more taxes. People aren't going to die because of that. But noooooo everything is about money
kingstobbes 8 months ago 2
Ironic that he ''robbed'' a Canadian bank, if only he were born in Canada he wouldn't have to resort to this sort of desperation. America is fucked.
fiercefunky 8 months ago 2
Our society is a failure.
hbxcskier 8 months ago
Several years ago the was another guy in the news doing this.
In that case, the man DID have a gun, but he pretty much did the same thing as this guy...
He walked into a bank with a gun, quietly pointed it at a teller, and handed her a note saying words to the effect of "Please call the police and tell them that this is a robbery. I'm sorry."
There were congressmen and judges saying what a discrace the healthcare system was. He got his medicine and a pardon.
Anyone else remember that story?
SinnFein4ever 8 months ago
I really feel bad for this guy, part of me thinks everyone should have access to health insurance, but one of the major flaws in humans is that once something is "free" it is then abused. I take care of myself and try to keep healthy, I don't really want to pay for the healthcare of someone eating deep-fried snickers bars for breakfast. If you talk to nurses and people in the healthcare field, it's the medicare/ medicaid types that are the most non-complient in healthy living.
Krash845 8 months ago
@Krash845
Well I didn't want to pay for five wars at a cost of over $3trillion, but no-one asked me about it. Yemen, Pakistan, Libya, Iraq, Afghanistan. Endless, pointless war. I'd rather that money was spent feeding the starving, on scientific research, education, and healthcare for all. We can all take care of ourselves, but anyone can get cancer, have a heart attack, back problems etc.
geffel 8 months ago
I am NOT surprised!!! I mentioned this as an option when I was on the early show last year. People e-mail my website willmarryforhealthinsurance everyday saying they will do this. Most say it needs to be a post office so it will be a federal crime and wont get out too quickly
decoro4 8 months ago
I wonder if he was making a point by robbing the Royal Bank of Canada.
VolatileReaction 8 months ago
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kazooga1234 8 months ago
The odd thing is that he probably saved the State money (in terms of medical bills, not cops, judges and prison). In that stealing a little bit of money for preventative screening and surgery is way less expensive than what it would cost the state compared to way more expensive and severe (stated funded) surgery when he is near death in the emergency room.
endplanets 8 months ago
Whats with the scaled view on republicans? These guys seem like fucking stupid democrats.....damn right they should work for the shit they get, excuse me for thinking that you dont just have everything given to you. Life sucks, fucking deal with it you pussies.
TriIsAMooCow 8 months ago
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dffykvn 8 months ago
@TriIsAMooCow Sorry about my former post, I didn't look at your profile to see your age
I thought you were a brain dead ADULT
I didn't know that you were a child
People grow out of the ayn rand fantasyland when they exit college and enter "the real world"
dffykvn 8 months ago
@dffykvn My age means nothing in this. You should have to work for things. There are exceptions, as with everything, but in general, things shouldnt just be free. Ive worked my ass off for all the things i own, including the laptop im typing this on. Its fuckign ignorant to think that you should just be given something cuz of a bad situation.
TriIsAMooCow 8 months ago
@TriIsAMooCow Come back when you're an adult living in the real world
dffykvn 8 months ago
@dffykvn I will, and ill still stand strong, im not some fucking bitch freeloader.
TriIsAMooCow 8 months ago
Theres a difference between laptops and health insurance
If computer stores operated like health insurers operated then you'd pay for your laptop, then a few months later they take the laptop from you for a completely arbitrary reason and not give you a cent back
If you haven't had any relatives pay for insurance their entire lives then get kicked off the rolls for the horrible crime of getting really sick and the insurer drops them for no reason then you arent in the real world kiddo
dffykvn 8 months ago
@TriIsAMooCow you haven't worked for shit mate. You think you earned that laptop just because you paid for it? Human society doesn't stop at the checkout. The whole rest of society collectively supports your ass and mine.
eedobee 8 months ago
@eedobee No i think i earned it because i worked for the money for it, how hard is it to get a fucking job? Go to school, actually try, not even try 100% since the current school system is so fucking watered down down its ridiculous, and then get a job with healthcare, its really not that hard and i guess i am an idiot for thinking that people should have to work for shit.
TriIsAMooCow 8 months ago
@TriIsAMooCow
How hard is it to get a f'ing job...let me think. I know a guy with a Masters degree in engineering that has been unemployed for over a year. I know many people with Bachelors degrees that can't find jobs right now. And I know MANY, MANY people without health care (contrary to your...opinion, most are not deadbeats).
I see you're only 16. Let me guess, you live with your parents? Do you really know the real world well enough to make brash comments like that?
wby3006 8 months ago 17
@wby3006 Im 16, i have a job, i live with my old man, who works his ass off for things like this, healthcare and the likes, i know that we are in a recession or whatever you want to say, but if a 16 yr old can find a job, im sure a 59 yr old can find a job with at least semi coverage. I do "know the real world" contrary to your...and many other opinions, just because someone is underage doesnt mean we are ignorant to the world around us.
TriIsAMooCow 8 months ago
@TriIsAMooCow
Hello Nazi, now show me your papers!
mecher3k 8 months ago
Just because a country is democratic doesn't mean it has a good human rights record.
Fatcatnevercameback 8 months ago
@afortaleza Yea, we republicans love a system where premiums rise every year to accommodate larger bonuses
What you want to use the money MEANT for executive bonuses to HELP PEOPLE!?
What are you some kinda leftist nazi socialist that believes spending a billion dollars on people is preferable to spending it on yachts and golden toilets!? YOU SOCIALIST NAZI MAOIST STALINIST
What could be wrong with our system where you pay to 40 have it skyrocket and you lose it when you get sick?
dffykvn 8 months ago
Thank You Mr.Bush and Obama you fucking piece of shit, you spend our money on your stupid fake fucking wars "War On Terror" BS and driving our country into POVERTY. Don't think this isn't going to happen to everyone, this is just the start, we're al going to be living in a 3rd world country. I have an idea, why doesn't the military invade yet another country so we can get raped even more. Fuck this shit I'm sick and tired of my tax money, WHICH I WORK for, getting WASTED on horseshit.
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TheENTERRAPTURE17 8 months ago
"The measure of a society is how it treats its weakest members."
MyTemporaryAccount88 8 months ago
US policy = survival of the fittest and the weak get left by the wayside to die - well guess what?..that was Hitlers NAZI policy too..suprised?..you yanks had better get your asses in gear and take care of your needy citizens.
BNPpatriot 8 months ago
I'm leaving the USA, fuck this.
Macabresque 8 months ago
Oh look he is White...
Derail07 8 months ago
If it's one country where violence is always encouraged in combination with the ultra-individualist "take care of yourself" it's the United States of America.
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This guy took care of himself and didn't force those poor Republican multi-billionaire frauds to pay taxes for it. Way to go.
underbjorn 8 months ago
The really crazy thing is that sign saying "carcel informacion". The US is shamelessly massacring the Castilian language.
ChameleonDave 8 months ago
The U.S has lost its humanity , its all downhill from here on out.
TheLexy31 8 months ago
Where is Robin Hood when you need him? Our country is corrupt.
similaritiesendhere 8 months ago
What a sad, sad state of affairs. The irony of robbing a Canadian bank to obtain healthcare is so thick you can spread it on toast. But why is it that Americans provide healthcare to low income citizens through incarceration while Canadians provide it in clinics and hospitals?
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And this is a white man at that.
jpowers55 8 months ago
fuck that bitch ass motherfucker doctor son of a bitch...fucking idiot..probably another scumbag republican...
buakawkaoklai 8 months ago 5
Maybe he didnt know that Boxcard?
jpowers55 8 months ago
america fucking people since day 1...
buakawkaoklai 8 months ago
As of 2009 (the latest i could look up) 7,225,800 people were imprisoned in the US that is more than the rest of the world combined, Either we are totally evil as a personal nation or our government is more oppressive than any other on earth. Freedom my rump its either a cubicle prison or a cement one for us here in the US.
TheStrazy 8 months ago 2
No sympathy for a thief.
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TheENTERRAPTURE17 8 months ago
Anthony Weiner would've made a good point about this.... too bad he's gone
frook90 8 months ago 9
For the past couple years, I've been volunteering at a free health clinic that treats these patients with no health insurance. We operate entirely due to charitable donations, as most free health clinics do. If any of you guys have spare time, money, or unused medicine, you should consider a donation. :)
YuanMizzle 8 months ago 3
Irony at it's best...
Criminals have a much better healthcare than most Americans. =D
Chimera1591 8 months ago 3
This proves this so called country doesnt care about its people.
geezybeezy420 8 months ago 6
69? Are you serious? I can't believe my mom is republican when she has severe arthritis and is dying to get to retirement age so she doesn't have to be in agonizing pain all day. Well I've got news for her.
heyitzkathy 8 months ago 3
you know your society has failed when
geebus80 8 months ago 15
Look Up STEVE CROWDER DRUGS ARE AWESOME!! He's a native Canadian talking about Canada's Health Care and the confusion over it.
texformer 8 months ago
@texformer You mean that conservative hack? Yeah I'm sure a lot of people here are going to rush over to watch that loser. Same guy that depicts Union Leaders as thugs forcing people to join by gun point; Yeah that guy is definitely in touch with reality.
FloppyFormatFrenzy 8 months ago
work till "69".... hehe
SangtotheDy 8 months ago
don't listen to this man, he is unpatriotic. Make sure you pay your tax so the government could give your tax money to the big banks. Stealing from the poor is patriotic and stealing from the rich is a sin. If you disagree with what I just said than your are a socialist, liberal scum. God bless America!
matt0is0here 8 months ago 2
Smart man and great idea.
davejsmith 8 months ago
Cenk & Ana, please explain why people that planned and save money and buy their own healthcare should pay for someone who did not plan or save money to buy their own healthcare?
It's not that I have no compassion but you need to think about this... What if everyone was like this person? Someone has to pay and provide the care....
idiots
thecosmos003 8 months ago
@thecosmos003 You know who paid into healthcare and planed for it? EVERY SINGLE AMERICAN (by paying taxes, by working and even by buying beer) ..But the money they payed was STOLEN & REDISTRUBUTED to the poor-rich and corporations (helped & defended by bought corporate-bots and dummies like you.. ) Nobody is asking for "Compassion" . In a Civilized country EVERYBODY has the right to have their dignity respected ..Ever heard of SOLIDARITY ?
Idiot ..
cocojumbo555 8 months ago 4
@thecosmos003 Sometimes planning can be overrun by simple bad luck; A divorce, a family death, loss of a job.
heyitzkathy 8 months ago
@thecosmos003 See talk like this, the Lord is gonna give you what you ask for do you know that? You shouldn't talk like this cah these are the times it will touch you
spotthatruth1 8 months ago
@thecosmos003 What's funny about your comment is that in order for this situation to have existed, it required the for profit system with prisoners having better health coverage than uninsured citizens. You make the awkward assertion that he wasn't trying to save up for this when he was simply making too little. I'm sure you would have thought he should have worked until he died saving up to get treatment, but then you're an idiot who is willing to chance peoples lives over ideology [I assume].
FloppyFormatFrenzy 8 months ago
In the immortal words of Glenn Beck, "Sad day for you!". That is the opinion of conservatives when it comes to people like the guy in this video! I've said it a million times Conservatism IS the problem in America!
ViciousOneWon 8 months ago
@TheDalinkwent So did you look over the numbers? or did you just ignore it? I know facts are difficult to swallow, and it may mean that someone you were listening to lied to you. Its okay, i've been burned many times as well. But you can't fight the facts.
bluefootedpig 8 months ago
@bluefootedpig, Actually yes I did ignore your numbers considering they don't even makes sense. Your telling me facts are hard things to swallow, while saying nonsense that social programs make up 100% of our budget, any sane person could see holes in that logic.
TheDalinkwent 8 months ago
@TheDalinkwent Gotcha, so i linked the US budget so you can see for yourself, and you didn't look then you say I don't make sense... riiight... Okay, at least you were brave enough to admit that you don't want to look at actual numbers.
bluefootedpig 8 months ago
@bluefootedpig, Do you really think your the first conservative to use a non-partison website to argue your point, only to twist the numbers to reach your desired conclusion? I already know the government spends less than 13% on social programs and over 60% on defense.
TheDalinkwent 8 months ago
@TheDalinkwent Sweet, please link then. Because that doesn't add up. Cuz the government reports this:
Military: 664B
Police: 130B
Transportation: 159B
Education: 755B
SS: 1225B
Health: 884B
Parks: 30B
That is just a slight cover of what was spent in 2009. So military 60%, yet is less than education. So can you please look at this offical US released budget, and explain to me how military is 60% yet less than education?
bluefootedpig 8 months ago
@bluefootedpig yea, one missile can cost upwards of 5 million dollars. Kids are getting stupider.
davejsmith 8 months ago
@davejsmith Sure, 5 million. Lets compare digits to digits, a simple math concept. 5 million, so our base will be in millions. So the missle costs 5. Our military budget is 664,000. That is 7 x 10 ^-6% of the budget. To fire 1,000 missiles is less than 1% of the military budget. So I am not sure what your point is. The conversation was that dalinkwent thought miliitary was > 60% of our budget, yet we can see education costs more.
bluefootedpig 8 months ago
@cloudvszell You have suggested it, but can you please explain what happens when you put a price cap on something? I beg you, look up the effects of a price cap on anything and come back and tell me the results.
bluefootedpig 8 months ago
@bluefootedpig that isnt a price a cap its a safety net for example in the last 10 years the healthcare system cost 100billion in its worst year i would put off to the side 150 billion if by chance the it goes over the 100billion set 4 years ago then oh well its covered its really bad and needs extra funding then you find money for it if it requires less the you have money to either save or use towards mri and ct or other equipment and then every 5 years adjust as needed
cloudvszell 8 months ago
@cloudvszell Okay, so what you are suggestings is that there is no price controls and thus you will have rampent spending, worse than what the US has now. With most americans having diet issues, causing massive amounts of doctor care. Studys have already shown that the rise in healthcare costs is becuase we have people using it when it isn't needed. So how does planning X amount of money going to reduce how many doctor visits a person makes?
bluefootedpig 8 months ago
@bluefootedpig Look at the British system of healthcare, doctors are rewarded if patents get healthier and government keeps tight regulations on medicine and other costs... so people have free coverage with results.
The doctor is the only person that can dictate number of visits, prescriptions and treatment. Never have limits to healthcare, but have motivations and goals in place for the government and doctors.
davejsmith 8 months ago
@davejsmith Okay, i did a quick google search on the British healthcare system. I am finding a load of articles of denial of medications, outsourcing to india, etc. I mean yeah it is great to reward for patients getting better, that is a huge step.
According to "IEA Health and Welfare Unit" in London, The Uk ranks 15th out of 17 of the EU for cancer, heart attack, and stroke.
"There is little doubt that rationing is the root cause of these
problems." Quoted from the study.
bluefootedpig 8 months ago
@bluefootedpig I've been all over world and mentioned the UK system because of quality, efficiency, access to care. The UK ranks 2nd in cancer treatment and its free for all citizens. The US spends more then any other country on the list of 7 and is in 1st place, but treatment isn't free and only the treated were counted. "study of seven industrialised countries" US ranks 7th.
davejsmith 8 months ago
@davejsmith Can you please link me that study taht says the UK is 2nd? the one I found labled it 15th out of 17. If you have a different study, that would be nice to see a different point of view.
I looked up more news, ran across this news report "The United Kingdom in particular comes out badly in the tables, showing cancer survival rates that are among the worst in Europe."
And that the EU is lagging behind the US in cancer survival rates.
bluefootedpig 8 months ago
@davejsmith Sorry to comment again, but I kept digging around, I cannot find anywhere that says what you stated. I am finding mounds of evidence about how the US cancer survial is about 10-20% higher in the US than the EU in general.
"Europe’s survival rates are lower than in the US, where 66.3 per cent of men and 62.9 per cent of women survive for five years, compared with 47.3 per cent of European men and 55.8 per cent of women. "
bluefootedpig 8 months ago
@bluefootedpig I believe the study is called "study of seven industrialized countries". There are many countries in Europe that would bring the average down. Just include strong industrial countries.
davejsmith 8 months ago
@davejsmith Well the studies i was looking at was each individually within the EU, then the other studies were Britian, canada and US compairsons.
I ran a search on that quote line, looked at the first page of google, the only study labeled that was about diet and mainly finland and japan. So I can't find any evidence at all, after several google searches that support even in teh faintest what you are suggesting.
bluefootedpig 8 months ago
@bluefootedpig for it to work though you have to look at all costs what every hospital has to pay all expenditures and then regulate making it impossible for the cost of a cast to suddenly increase just because there is more money available and so on
cloudvszell 8 months ago
@cloudvszell Sorry, didn't read this one... so you are suggest a price cap. You said figure out the cost and put a price cap on how fast it can go up. That is price fixing, and look up what price fixing does. Hell, even the FED Revserve does this. They limit how much interest can move up and down, and we can see how royally fucked up every country with a central bank is doing. And you want to copy that into the healthcare?
bluefootedpig 8 months ago
@bluefootedpig its not a price cap im not saying this is the amount of money you have for the year if you go over to bad, what im saying is set aside that money so its there already take the worst year set aside more then the worst year needed if you have a bad year you should be covered if not then it needs to more funding and with a 5 year adjustment period it is would always be set to what the trend is plus having extra in case of an emergency
cloudvszell 8 months ago
@cloudvszell You said "making it impossible for the cost of a cast to suddenly increase", that is a price cap. You are limiting the rates of someone, saying you must not increase your prices, or you can only increase by X amount. What do you think a price cap is?
bluefootedpig 8 months ago
@bluefootedpig i said the price of a cast cant go suddenly up just because there will be more money available meaning if the cost of materials labor or whatever dictates the cost must go up the cost goes up but not because there is more money available so there must be a legit reason for the increase in cost not some made up bullshit just to try and get more money out of it
cloudvszell 8 months ago
@bluefootedpig besides your missing the point of the way of it would not be a for profit industry the way im saying im saying this at cost what does it cost to operate once you take the profit out of the equation the price drops considerably there no way in hell one cast is worth 10k at cost of making i would find it hard to believe its even worth 2k at cost
cloudvszell 8 months ago
@bluefootedpig you dont get what im saying and you instantly jump to price capping which is not the case
cloudvszell 8 months ago
cloudvszell 8 months ago
@cloudvszell I understand what you are saying. But you are not fixing the problem of rising costs. A c-section birth in america costs 50-60k, while in canada through private non government funded is only 10k. Same operation, but why is it 5 times more expensive in america? Medical has been going at about 8-10% inflation while wages are only going up 4%. So what you are proposing is more and more taxes without fixing the issue, which is rising costs. Your plan would fail after X years.
bluefootedpig 8 months ago
@bluefootedpig the cost is huge only because of for profit like i said about the broken leg in the states could cost upto 10k for what a cast? and an hours work at most but how else are you going to make proif in a hospital through stitches no your going to make it by charging huge amounts on anything that requires more then 5 mins of work ie broken bone, basic surgery ct or mri's and so on once you take the profit out of these services the cost is ridiculously low
cloudvszell 8 months ago
@cloudvszell You seem to ignore that right now, medical field is not open to the market. It is closed, heavily regulated by huge drug companies, that sue doctors for not prescribing their drugs. In the open market, some areas of the US, they have seen a drop in prices from 250 a doctor visit to about 40. That is what the free market did, instantly. You want prices to come down? monopoly is not the way to go. Even non-profit, there is still profits. Silly to think non-profit means no profit.
bluefootedpig 7 months ago
@bluefootedpig ya there is instances where non profit things make a profit off of it but that is all based on imperfections and greed and besides just because some non profits actulaly make a profit does not mean all will do the same thing hence why i don't think all conservatives are religious sheep or that all liberals are socialists a few does not represent the whole to fix the problem a lot of regulation and laws will need to be passed.
cloudvszell 7 months ago
@cloudvszell See, that is where you and I differ. Take Texas, where a new clinic that uses nurses to handle patients, and the doctor to do the big things. Kind of like a dentist where the denist assistant cleans your teeth. The average doctor visit is between 30-50, a prescription about 15 bucks. Compare that to the highly regulated medical system, where a cheap doctor visit is 200 and prescription is over 100. So is 50 bucks killer to see a doctor? cheaper than cable tv for 1 month.
bluefootedpig 7 months ago
@bluefootedpig
Ahh more bs from you. So funny that's all you say.
mecher3k 7 months ago
@mecher3k Right, how about you spend... 5 seconds on a google search. Look up walmart clinic. They are one of the first and perhaps the largest right now to offer doctor visits. Cost is 35-50 a visit. They are ran by RN's with one head doctor. So you can call it bs, but that just shows that you hear something from a left wing news and don't actually look into the topic, which is a sign of being a sheep. BAAAA!!!
bluefootedpig 7 months ago
@bluefootedpig
"but that just shows that you hear something from a left wing news "
Where was this clinic you were talking about on anything "left wing news?"
Dumb ass.
"which is a sign of being a sheep."
Ahh yes, says the idiot that bashes UHC. Despite the stats showing the countries with such systems to have better health care.
mecher3k 7 months ago
@mecher3k Hm... dispite stats showing other countires with such systems have better healthcare, yet they are going bankrupt, and having riots in the streets about the cuts. Yeah that sounds good.
Those clinics are in Texas right now, and quickly spreading. I do not know what all states they are in currently, as it depends on local law.
If you want to look at other countries, realize they don't have min wage either. So are you for no min wage as well? or do you pick and choose what you like?
bluefootedpig 7 months ago
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@bluefootedpig
"yet they are going bankrupt,"
Few are. The UK is doing just fine, so are many others in the EU.
"having riots in the streets about the cuts."
Yea that's because in Greece their problem was not caused by their spending. Helps to know reality idiot.
"Those clinics are in Texas right now, and quickly spreading."
So quickly spreading that no one has heard about them but you? Yea, just a raging inferno they are spreading so fast!
mecher3k 7 months ago
@bluefootedpig
"If you want to look at other countries, realize they don't have min wage either. "
What other countries? God you are retarded, first you believe there is a cure for diabetes, and then you are typing meaningless sentences. Well you've been doing that for a long time now, I just quoted one.
"So are you for no min wage as well?"
No because no one is willing to work minimum wage now unless they are an illegal immigrant who will send that money back to their home country.
mecher3k 7 months ago
@bluefootedpig you always neglect to realize the system would not be for profit meaning the c section at most would cost the system a couple thousand as doctors aren't on an hourly rate but salary so all your cost would be is the equipment and materials the only time it might cost extra is if its an emergency and they need to bring in on call doctors
cloudvszell 8 months ago
@cloudvszell While that sounds nice, let me ask you, if you were on salary, paid if you work or not, would you work more or less? You get paid the same remember, and in any given day, you see maybe 100+ people, each wanting you to fix them. If you help, you are paid the same as if you don't help. If they leave or die, you don't get paid any differently. Oh, and if you perform surgery, then you are at risk of being sued, or the hospital. So would you work more or less being on salary?
bluefootedpig 7 months ago
@bluefootedpig exactly why i dont like salary pay but with salary pay ther is also a contract so in the contract is very easy to right in the person must work 8 hours a week 5 days a week as for sueing hence waiver forms for when you into surgery and really thats more of a states sue to get rich mentality
cloudvszell 7 months ago
@cloudvszell Even saying to work 8 hours, if there is no business there is no business. If you get paid salary, so you are paid if you work or not, and you are the one to decide if surgery is needed, then why do it? You would be fighting to not work, or at least that is what I would be doing. And a waiver? what if the doctor really screws something up, like that happens several times a year. Would the person who got perm damage and signed the waiver just going to be screwed?
bluefootedpig 7 months ago
@bluefootedpig why do it because ytour paid more when your a surgeon besides family doctors and er doctors rarely do surgeries but send patient to go get it done so your scenario doesn't make much sense, as for the waiver yes if it happens multiple times its called malpractise and carries criminal charges with it,but one time in 100k is an accident. but any ways you have this idea that doctor will do nothing if they are on salary funny thing is they are now and still work
cloudvszell 7 months ago
@cloudvszell depends on how you look at it. Right now the doctors are only on salary if they work for a big hospital. If you ever have been to these doctors, compared to a private practice, there are worlds difference. A private practice has less waiting time, more doctor time, and in my history, the doctors spend more time trying to figure out what is wrong and not just send you off to tests. So I see a huge difference in my quality of care when it is salary vs non-salary doctors.
bluefootedpig 7 months ago
@bluefootedpig coming from a guy who is going to be going into the healthcare field i would and will spend as much time as needed to come up with a diagnosis or a theory of whats wrong that's why test are done so a doctor who send you for test is doing there job one that looks at you and talks to you for 20 mins and does no tests is not diagnosing just assuming whats wrong
cloudvszell 7 months ago
@cloudvszell That is true. The other thing is that doctors also assume a one pill one problem. Like people who go onto blood pressure medication. We have a 100% cure to high blood pressure. We even have a cure for type 2 diabetes. Yet we see so many people not only be diagnosed, but living on those. So I hope you take the time to actually study things like nutrition, as science is now showing that to be the number 1 reason for disease, yet most students only take 1 class.
bluefootedpig 7 months ago
@bluefootedpig there re many things involved with the disease proses yes nutrition is part of it but not the most significant part of it as there are stress, immune, genetics, and so on that all play a part of it the reason people live on pills with type 2 diabetes is because there bodies no longer use insulin as it should or do not produce enough so the pills enable it to work or provide more, as for high blood pressure it will cause problems left alone but has thousands of causes
cloudvszell 7 months ago
@cloudvszell Well, lets look at studies. Of those that go vegan in the studies, 95% were cured of high blood pressure and everyone who maintained the diet for 12 months or longer were no longer type 2 diabetic. Genetics accounts for less than 2% of diseases. Immune and stress are things that can be controlled through diet as well. Evidence again supports that diets play a factor in stress and the immune system. Look up cancerproject org as they have all the studies done on disease and diet.
bluefootedpig 7 months ago
@bluefootedpig 1) yes so you took the one reason of high blood pressure being diet what about the other 999 other reasons that can cause high blood pressure? and even when some one goes from eating a steak a day to vegan there still is massive amounts of exercise also to help as the reason probably is they are either obese or have high cholesterol lvls as for genetics playing only 2 % bullshit yes maybe only 2% is genetic disorders but genetics can make you more susceptible to viruses or other
cloudvszell 7 months ago
@cloudvszell The 2% is only what they are figuring now. It is swinging more and more towards environment. It used to be 100% environment, then it was almost pure genetics (i have the fat gene!) and now it is going to a more blended model. But they do know genetically you are at lower risk. And great news, vegan cures those that have genetically high blood pressure. You say 999 other reasons, but this one method cures over 95%. If any pill cured 95% of cancer, would you care?
bluefootedpig 7 months ago
@bluefootedpig 2) things as for the immune system yes to some degree it helps the immune system ie when you eat broccoli with a virus on it and your body fights it and creates memory T/B cells or by giving the proper nutritional values needed to create immune cells but then there are those with auto immune disease whose immune system does not function properly which diet can not help, and even when it comes to a virus an antiviral med will help you more then a glass of oj
cloudvszell 7 months ago
@cloudvszell You would be surprised about what recent science is saying about this as well. With a more healthy diet, your immune system doesn't go haywire as often. They are finding that people with arthritis, can live a much better quality life by going vegan. But for autoimmune diseases, it helps as well. The foods are more natural and react better than processed foods.
True, medicine will cure something better than oj, but take the average vegan and see how often they get sick.
bluefootedpig 7 months ago
@bluefootedpig 3) as for stress it helps by the idea of if you eat well you will feel well but im talking about physical stress the kind you put on your body that diet has not effect on diet has its place yes but it is not an end all cure for everything you would know this if you took a pathology course of even a basic level
cloudvszell 7 months ago
@cloudvszell I am not saying it is a "cure" for everything, but I think a lot of the diseases and problems we have is due to diet. Even physical stress, having food that is designed to be healthy for you, reduces the stress and fatigue on your body. Everyone who goes vegan comments on how much more energy they have. Not to mention plants contains nutrients that are mood elevators, thus people are also generally happier. So less stress on digestion and more energy helps people be happy.
bluefootedpig 7 months ago
@bluefootedpig
Lol a retarded natural idiot.
Yea, you forfeit all rights to talk now.
mecher3k 7 months ago
@mecher3k You think diet has NOTHING to do with disease? all that fast food has NOTHING to do with being overweight? There is a saying, better to be thought a fool than to open your mouth and remove all doubt. I ask you to actually think about that.
bluefootedpig 7 months ago
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@bluefootedpig
"the doctors spend more time trying to figure out what is wrong and not just send you off to tests."
Lol, you are completely retarded.
They spend more time trying to figure out what's wrong with you by.... what? Praying to god for answers?
mecher3k 7 months ago
@mecher3k Well, there are things like... oh i dunno... looking at diet? more than half of all doctors in the US have taken 0 classes on nutrition, while about 25% have taken 1. That is being generous as I don't have the numbers in front of me. So when a 300 pound man walks into your office with high blood pressure, what gets done? a pill or a strict diet to get him off it? As someone who has been through the system, i'll tell you, it is a pill. They barely talk about diet.
bluefootedpig 7 months ago
@bluefootedpig
" They barely talk about diet. "
I will reply to only this because all you can do is lie and strawman.
They barely talk about it because they know the person listening already knows this as they already have told them to lose weight and they wouldn't have this problem. But they don't want that, so they want the pill.
Derp Derp.
Go take that herbal remedy that does nothing, and is proven by science to do nothing.
mecher3k 7 months ago
@mecher3k Some don't have any effect, true. Science is also showing though that chemotherapy only works 2% of the time, yet people do that every time they get cancer.
But they give a pill because that is all the patient wants, since when was the patient a medical expert? Since when did going to the doctor become the same as going to the store?
bluefootedpig 7 months ago
@bluefootedpig As someone who has been through the system, i'll tell you, it is a pill. They barely talk about diet
as im pretty sure you live in the states it might have to do with your countries huge sue to get right ideology if a doctor where to tell a 300 pound man i will not give you a pill you have to lose weight cause your fat that's why you have high bp discrimination law suit so its just easier to say ya here take this two times a day and get you out the door then chance a law suit.
cloudvszell 7 months ago
is anyone reading these subtitles either get them right or take them off...
MrSpreadem 8 months ago
Here's how to fix all the problems in the video:
Repeal Obamacare. Public healthcare never works.
Regulate insurance companies who overcharge and don't cover.
Regulate drug companies who overcharge for drugs.
Take away healthcare for violent criminals. They don't deserve it.
uuumdm 8 months ago
@uuumdm Solution to americas problems: Kill people like you
dffykvn 8 months ago
@dffykvn Now how does that fix anything? Because then all that's left is people like you with their heads stuck so far up their own ass that they don't even know how to express disagreement in any other form than obscene condmenation.
uuumdm 8 months ago
@uuumdm Public healthcare never works: Except for all of the countries where it does
Take away healthcare for violent criminals? Seriously? Why don't you just go into the jail and shoot everyone you thinks guilty
They're in our custody so we have a responsibility to feed them, clothe them and if they're injured or sick provide healthcare for them
Withholding medical care is cruel and unusual punishment
How about a more human solutionthe one every industrialized country implemented
dffykvn 8 months ago
@dffykvn A lot of countries with public healthcare come to America to get healthcare because they can't get treatment in a timely fashion because the government takes forever to approve coverage - which they rarely do. If you're willing to kill people like me then why would you want to spare violent rapists and murderers who are just going to get out of jail and do the same thing again?
uuumdm 8 months ago
@uuumd No rich people in those countries come to america for treatments done by top people in certain fields, there are specialists in europe rich americans go to too :P
The poor in those countries get preventative care which keeps small problems from developing into fatal ones
Read the fucking constitution that 1 part about cruel and unusual punishment
Who the fuck are you to say someone in prison should just be killed
I'll treat you like a human being when your solutions are humane
dffykvn 8 months ago
@uuumdm ---
Where did you get that from?
The sad thing about far-right U.S conservatives is that they constantly lie and make things up, and aren't trying to hide it even.
Is it Glenn Beck the Prophet's talk about the Australian PM going to the U.S for luxury services that is bothering you?
The governments "rarely approve coverage"...? Do you have vacuum in your head? The government is obliged to approve universal healthcare insurance to ALL, only commercial insurance companies deny coverage.
underbjorn 8 months ago
@uuumdm are you a god damn moron the government does not go one by one on who gets to see a doctor or who gets a treatment you moron the only thing that slows treatment time is a lack of equipment because its not for profit so it takes time for new equipment to be bought for each hospital once a person is diagnosed they are treated there isn't some magical back room where a govt official watches every diagnosis to say if they get treatment or not so seriously stop being a paranoid freak
cloudvszell 8 months ago
YouTube has a video about robbing a bank to get healthcare.
This is a song and video about" Road Hog", a hobo, who robbed a bank so he would be sent to federal prison to get healthcare. Sung by Banjo Fred Starner to Pete Seeger. It is part of a documentary about hobos, " That's The Ticket Road Hog, The Hobo's Song".
tinkered1 8 months ago
Interesting that he decided to rob an RBC (Royal Bank of Canada) in order to get free healthcare.
sleepyguy1 8 months ago 30
@sleepyguy1 lol... I was just about to make that comment.
no2religions 8 months ago
@sleepyguy1 We better've got that loonie back, eh?
ChownSound 8 months ago
@ChownSound Bloody Right!!!!
sleepyguy1 8 months ago
fuck Obama and his "incremental change" from within the system - we need truly progressive policies now
discipleoftheteapot 8 months ago
we had this problem in England 100 years ago
sirbestnameever 8 months ago
@myspaceisforfags82
Nowhere near to the same extent as it did in victorian england. Also insults are unwarranted my point is valid.
excandersham 8 months ago