Diesen Stil haben Maler und Designer entwickelt, keine Komponisten oder Musikinterpreten. Obwohl alles von allem doch beeinflusst werden kann, bleibt diese Terminologie für mich musikalischeweise etwas fremd.
Beautiful straightforward and unmannered playing, on the same side as Elena Kuschnerova's and contrasting idiosyncratic renditions such as Gould's and Sokolov's (all on youtube).
Dear Garanin,the cultural evolution that leads a fine musician like this to play this this way is like building a replica of Versailles as a Walmart super store and celebrating the methodology in the sporting goods section.
However, Vedernikov did not know about Walmart and, in general, life was very Spartan in Russia at those times.. There is no American culture at all in such Bach playing.
Musique sérieuse pour gens sérieux ayant des pensées sérieuses.
Je trouve triste de faire de Bach un être triste et sérieux,-le prototype indiscutable du sérieux...Misère! Bach était plein d'humour et de joie de vivre.....Ecouter Rübsam,Rangell,Seemann....
This is fantastic, and probably the best version of this I've heard so far. I keep telling everyone this is not a fast piece despite the title "Toccata", but they don't want to believe me. (For example, listen to Sokolov's awful mechanical and fast performance.)
It appears maestro Vedernikov (who I've never heard of before) agrees with me. Perfect expression, perfect touch, perfect tempo. This is as close to ideal as one can get! Thanks for the upload Mr. Truecrypt!
Sokolov mechanical i think no really. However this IS the most convincing perormance ever i feel and yes it has something to do with the speed being more laid back
I didn't mean Sokolov is "always" mechanical, but just in this particular piece. Listen to it and see what I mean. It's way too fast and it sounds like a sewing machine. There's a lot of Sokolov that I really like, however.
Dear Bach,This tempo issue only causes problems for you because you approach eighteenth century rhetoric with Arte-Deco pperformance practice.The baroque answer is that it is BOTH tempi applied subjectively at the maestro's behest.However you are safe here as Vedernikov applies Arte-Deco performance practice too.
Dear Bach,The ideas of Arte-Deco are to streamline things into long lines of fundamental strength and simplicity,eschwewing ornamentation and multi-layered effects.This is usually a semantic applied to visual art medium but the ideas coincided in 20th century classical musicology with objectivism to produce a totally new and (inauthentically-authentic) way of playing 18th century rhetoric.
I'm familiar with this term applied to art, but not music. I see the analogy though. But Bach did not rely much on ornamentation, at least compared to other baroque styles like French. The only ornaments in this Toccata are the ones Bach wrote in. There is really no need to add any more.
I don't understand what you mean by a "multi-layered effect" though. Isn't all Bach's music multi-latered? How can one play a fugue "not" multi-layered?
I meant 'ornamentation' in the broad artistic sense-not baroque ornamentation.However concerning Bach's ornamentation,there is no evidence that Bach played as he wrote.If he did,that would be entirely uncharacteristic performance practice of the whole era.
Example;in an area of central tempo at 132 having micro bursts of 160 or 104 alternately punctuate the structure.That is baroque,but very un-Arte Deco.Listen to Ton Koopman play BWV 565
when was this recorded?
objectivity007 9 months ago
thanks for uploading!
GraniteQuarrier 10 months ago
crying....thank you
Lubasik8 11 months ago
My God! So simple, so clean, so honest. So beautiful.
aomf58 1 year ago
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aomf58 2 years ago
Truecrypt: Where did you obtain these recordings? Are they available on CD? I have only seem them advertised as LPs.
jimjoyce25 2 years ago
Truecrypt,
I am deeply indebted to you for alerting me to yet another pianist of undoubted genius.
Many thanks,
Adam Czarnowski
smudgepots 2 years ago 3
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morvensky 2 years ago
A rather straightforward interpretation, but listen to the clarity and beauty of Vedernikov's articulation!!!
AndreiKrakovsky 2 years ago 5
ClassicalMusic, it seems Art Deco has a similar relation to music as Jugendstil.
dgaranin 2 years ago
Ja Elena,In diesem Sinn haben Sie Recht.
Muzikalisheweise ist 'Arte-Deco' ganz ähnlich zu einem 'Jugendstil'
ClassicalMusicReview 2 years ago
Diesen Stil haben Maler und Designer entwickelt, keine Komponisten oder Musikinterpreten. Obwohl alles von allem doch beeinflusst werden kann, bleibt diese Terminologie für mich musikalischeweise etwas fremd.
dgaranin 2 years ago
Beautiful straightforward and unmannered playing, on the same side as Elena Kuschnerova's and contrasting idiosyncratic renditions such as Gould's and Sokolov's (all on youtube).
dgaranin 2 years ago
Dear Garanin,the cultural evolution that leads a fine musician like this to play this this way is like building a replica of Versailles as a Walmart super store and celebrating the methodology in the sporting goods section.
ClassicalMusicReview 2 years ago
However, Vedernikov did not know about Walmart and, in general, life was very Spartan in Russia at those times.. There is no American culture at all in such Bach playing.
dgaranin 2 years ago
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Je ne comprends pas du tout les éloges des commentateurs ici présents.
Une telle aberration me navre et me désole:comment peut-on manquer d'esprit critique à ce point?
C'est du Bach mort ,-plat,monotone,scolaire,sans nuance,...
antoinezygfryd 2 years ago
C'est joué comme si c'était la fin du monde!!!
Aucune trace d'humour !
Musique sérieuse pour gens sérieux ayant des pensées sérieuses.
Je trouve triste de faire de Bach un être triste et sérieux,-le prototype indiscutable du sérieux...Misère! Bach était plein d'humour et de joie de vivre.....Ecouter Rübsam,Rangell,Seemann....
antoinezygfryd 2 years ago
Have the complete partitas been released on CD?
websat30 2 years ago
I hope you'll eventually post all of Vedernikov's Partita performances. This one I already have on LP, actually. Anyway, many thanks for posting!
weikko79 2 years ago
This is fantastic, and probably the best version of this I've heard so far. I keep telling everyone this is not a fast piece despite the title "Toccata", but they don't want to believe me. (For example, listen to Sokolov's awful mechanical and fast performance.)
It appears maestro Vedernikov (who I've never heard of before) agrees with me. Perfect expression, perfect touch, perfect tempo. This is as close to ideal as one can get! Thanks for the upload Mr. Truecrypt!
BachScholar 2 years ago
Sokolov mechanical i think no really. However this IS the most convincing perormance ever i feel and yes it has something to do with the speed being more laid back
chad410 2 years ago
I didn't mean Sokolov is "always" mechanical, but just in this particular piece. Listen to it and see what I mean. It's way too fast and it sounds like a sewing machine. There's a lot of Sokolov that I really like, however.
BachScholar 2 years ago
Dear Bach,This tempo issue only causes problems for you because you approach eighteenth century rhetoric with Arte-Deco pperformance practice.The baroque answer is that it is BOTH tempi applied subjectively at the maestro's behest.However you are safe here as Vedernikov applies Arte-Deco performance practice too.
ClassicalMusicReview 2 years ago
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BachScholar 2 years ago
I deleted my previous comment because I realized it was a little rough. But I ask, what in the world is "Arte-Deco performance practice"?
BachScholar 2 years ago
Dear Bach,The ideas of Arte-Deco are to streamline things into long lines of fundamental strength and simplicity,eschwewing ornamentation and multi-layered effects.This is usually a semantic applied to visual art medium but the ideas coincided in 20th century classical musicology with objectivism to produce a totally new and (inauthentically-authentic) way of playing 18th century rhetoric.
ClassicalMusicReview 2 years ago
I'm familiar with this term applied to art, but not music. I see the analogy though. But Bach did not rely much on ornamentation, at least compared to other baroque styles like French. The only ornaments in this Toccata are the ones Bach wrote in. There is really no need to add any more.
I don't understand what you mean by a "multi-layered effect" though. Isn't all Bach's music multi-latered? How can one play a fugue "not" multi-layered?
BachScholar 2 years ago
I meant 'ornamentation' in the broad artistic sense-not baroque ornamentation.However concerning Bach's ornamentation,there is no evidence that Bach played as he wrote.If he did,that would be entirely uncharacteristic performance practice of the whole era.
ClassicalMusicReview 2 years ago
'Multi-layered' means to apply more than one
tempo,dynamic,articulation,simultaneously.
Example;in an area of central tempo at 132 having micro bursts of 160 or 104 alternately punctuate the structure.That is baroque,but very un-Arte Deco.Listen to Ton Koopman play BWV 565
ClassicalMusicReview 2 years ago
At last, I have so missed that recording !
It´s good to know we can always count on truecrypt to deliver masterpieces for us.
Thousand thanks, dear truecrypt !
vova47 2 years ago