Occupy The Courts - A Conversation with Lawrence Lessig and Chris Hedges

[rosiethebear300]

Ya they have been using the "divide and conquer" strategy against us for centuries! We can use their strategy against them.

[rosiethebear300]

Chris Hedges has got it absolutely right! He is one of the most important and knowledgeable thinkers of our time!

[rosiethebear300]

There are only two ways of affecting the powerful corrupt corporate elite, I,m afraid, hit them in the pocket book in a big way or all out civil disobedience en masse - lets face it -the military and police force have no qualms about hurting and killing people and govt robbing you of your life by indefinite incarceration.Look what they did to J F Kennedy when he threatened to produce govt own money.

[juliaactivist2]

In a 38 minute video which is enlightening about the desperate need for change in order to save/establish democracy, it's inexplicable that no mention is made of third parties as a possible road to change. If opinion intensifiers like Lessig and Hedges will not even discuss third party politics, i.e., the Green Party, as a route to change, they essentially help to ensure third party peaceful change will not happen.

[rlunce]

We, the citizens, have to do this without Occupy, Tea Party, or any other group wanting us to let them carry the ball (for a fee. aka donation) for us. Lobbyist to fight Lobbyists, really? nat-ref.com view introduction at least.

[rosiethebear300]

@rlunce Occupy are the citizens - everyone is Occupy - there is no leader or specific political platform and support all grass roots orgs from local food groups to Unions to CBAN fighting CETA

[rlunce]

@rosiethebear300 I know they are a leaderless organization because it is that alone that allows them to be co-opted. Protesters have a place and a function and I get that. But every grass roots organization has "advisers" that guide the movement. I also know that protesting leads to inadaquate results, because the results are the minimum necessary "changes" thet satisfies the protesters and benefit the rule makers. And that is my point.

[rlunce]

Freakin' academics... everything has to be so complex. Want a concise description of how to define people for political contributions? search Defining people on Youtube. ROUGH LANGUAGE WARNING.

[TheHennalady]

start with learning the true legal definitions of democracy and republic

[TheHennalady]

this is DIVIDE and CONQUER strategy. replicrademitarionishism....  fight actual cases.

[MartinDHash]

"Moral?" Maybe for you. I don't go to your church or anyone else's. Freedom of Religion includes freedom from religion. Frankly, I'll debate Dr. Lessig any day.

[StephenAJustino]

The idea behind OCCUPY THE COURTS was to start a national dialog about Citizens United & the democracy-killing legal doctrines of "Corporate Personhood" and "Money is Speech." We wanted to get people talking. Little did I know that the people talking were going include intellectual heavy-weights like Chris Hedges and Lawrence Lessig! OTC was a success beyond my wildest dreams!

ONWARD!

Steve Justino

Move to Amend, Originator of, and National Action Coordinator for, OCCUPY THE COURTS!

[RaiseMoreHell]

I tend to agree more with Hedges, but hope that Lessig is right, that we can institute reform. One area where Lessig is being naive is the state legislatures. He says that there are too many legislators for all to be lobbied, but that is precisely the role of ALEC, to provide a cost-effective way of getting the schlubs from Podunk all marching to the corporate drum. Every state legislature I am familiar with is as big or bigger a disaster as Congress.

[PeaceProfit]

Representative government is NOT democracy, it's Corrupt-Cronyism. Politicians, like actors are paid to show up and do as they are told while being convincing enough to elicit an emotional response. Whom ever is paying the most is who the system works for. Only when The*People have direct input as to HOW their money is spent, will there be a shift toward True Democracy. Individual Directed Capitalization 65% of YOUR TAX contribution directed to areas of funding of YOUR CHOICE Power 2 The*People.

[LorenAlbrecht]

great conversation, thanks for this!,

[moto2kx2]

THANKS! Occupy TVNY.ORG THANKS Chris Hedges and Lawrence Lessig!

[crimblecrumble100]

the government is run by psycopathic demons from hell! i say lets bombard them with love! love is the ultimate weapon! demons cant stand it! they like hate and fear! dont hate or fear! just attack with mass amounts of love and they will have to go away!

[tensacross]

This is easily the greatest discussion and analysis of the Occupy movement and the current state of America that I've ever seen. I love each of their perspectives and i just wish every American could watch this. And I thank the Occupy media team and OccupyTV for having the foresight to arrange this and put this together. Absolutely great! Power to the people!

[MzProgressive]

Especially telling: the discussion at 28:00. Observations that corporations are just milking what is left of the system as it goes down, and that the government did not even have the power to reform, after the 2008 financial collapse.

All approaches that seek to de-legitimagize the seats of power are good.

[ClantonBrothers]

The occutard movement can be summed up in two words: free pot. That's what they want. Fucking morons can't even discern the meaning of "peaceably assemble" from "occupy". You morons have no constitutional right to "occupy".

[MzProgressive]

@ClantonBrothers I highly doubt that you are capable of summing up anything in two words - much less an egalitarian movement about which you obviously know nothing.

[ClantonBrothers]

@MzProgressive You're clueless. Summed up very nicely in two words.

[yosoytacoseasoning]

@ClantonBrothers

im curious as to how you ended up watching a not very popular occupy video, given your views on the movement...

[ClantonBrothers]

@yosoytacoseasoning Didn't watch very much of it, that's for sure.

[thebigwedding]

Take back the banks, create money that benefits people. Take back the factories, make jobs for people. Take back the local MSM, tell the truth to the people. Take back food production, feed the people. Take back health-care, make people healthy. Take back the fore-closed homes. House the people. Take back the police, protect the human rights of the people. Investigate 911, London 7/7, free the people from the manufactured fear that has enslaved them.

[reachxdias]

Interesting in this full discussion the word ideology has not been used. But its the underlying argument. tks and Chris congrats

[janniejan08]

Thanks from the bottom of my heart.

Divide and conquer the pillars. It's worked on the 99% for decades.

[catwatters4]

The whole point is to create something,, "Clean",, to get outside of the Dirt,, not to use the same ol dirt to try to clean with!! Hence, the Einstein quote

[abilityoflove]

This is not about left and right, it is about what is moral and what is not. It is not moral to exploit people and limit their freedom so that few can feel “successful”. It is not moral to reduce all individuals as well as institutions to the salesman mentality - human life is not just about buying and selling.

[aaronbtube]

"Spring comes in waves"

[koppellhinex]

╭∩╮（⃕‿⃕）╭∩╮➔ CAPITALISM & COMMUNISM not EQUAL..!!!

DRUGLORDS+GOVERNMENT is COUNTERFEITING MONEY for SLAVERY.!!

BANKERS & DRUGLORDS screwed life & society in human history.

BURN DRUG LORDS ALIVE & OCCUPY THE WORLD.!!

CAPITALISM = NO REAL FREEDOM. WORLDS FAKE ECONOMY.

fight for LAST DROP BLOOD for MONEY & POWER = OPPORTUNIST MANIPULATIVE REALM LANDLORD GRABBER PIG ROYAL LAZY FAMILY.

HARD WORKING PEACE LOVING HAPPY HONEST SOCIETY were always the slave victim and poorly starve to death. :(

[Evenwas616]

@koppellhinex How do you think those royal guys with lots of money got to be that way in the first place?

[qinhan2607]

Thanks for posting this very thoughtful conversation. I was interested to hear the sometimes differing approaches and opinions put forward by Lawrence and Chris.