Honestly, I hope you get a wife, and her fetus dies inside her but wont come out in a regular miscarriage, meaning she needs a third trimester abortion to live, just to see how you feel about it then.
Or perhaps it's discovered that cancer is eating the fetus slowly and torturing it and aborting it is the only humane thing to do, see how you oppose that.
Those are the women Dr. Tiller was brave enough to help, but you hate women, hate children and hate society, and hate dictionaries and
Dr. George tiller was a hero, not a murderer. He provided abortions for women that needed them, have you ever read the stories behind 3rd trimester abortions??
They are truly sad, and to be able to help those women in those cases is such a wonderful thing.
He inspired me to follow in his footsteps.
A fetus isn't a person, killing it is not murder by any stretch. It's not unlawful or illegal (like there's a difference, but both are mentioned in the definition just to clarify abortion isn't)
Watching your videos has LITERALLY put me to the point of almost puking. I feel as if I have to swallow 10 bottles of antacid just to feel better. You are the exact kind of person the Nazis would have LOVED to have in their ranks. You make want to rip off my ears to stop them from bleeding from hearing your voice.
Funny how that documentary done by maddow showed killer tiller in the best possible light and commenting how the clown was shot in both arms prior tohis killing, but failed to mention the fact that tiller the killer himself used his car to run over two people who were expressing their own right to choose freedom of speech.
The Marx quote is out of it's political climate. It makes sense and is understandable considering the era, the times and what he considered at stake.
A simple look through the internet for Ms Coulters High School pictures and quotes from friends shows any fool that her hair was NOT PLATINUM BLONDE when she was younger and hair don't get lighter without help from a bottle my blind and shallow friend.
I believe that which is not just trustworthy but also sensible and plausible.
Solutions are often found outside the box. Let us hope you see past the controlled right and left paradigm. The media manipulates those on the the left as well as the right, the left is led through their emotions... this makes them easy targets for advancing the goals of the globalists. There are degrees of where people are on the right and left. The left tries to create this image as all those on the right as Dick Cheney. That would be like saying the poster child of the left is Barney Frank.
The difference in listening to conservatives and liberals, is that the conservative has a foundation, the liberal does not. The conservative has scripture as their platform, the liberal has the politically correct and diversity hand book. The conservative will makes sense out of issues, the liberal generally heckles, name calls or blames. I am fundamentally conservative, but I do have some liberal views. The liberal is no match against logical conservative. The liberal seems to be adrift.
@RamsesReturns By your view a conservative has a foundation but it is one that is in conflict with the true definition of the word. A person once told me he was a "Reagan Conservative". I pointed out several ways [by way of which he behaved during his tenure as both Gov. of CA and POTUS] that this was an oxymoron. Reagan was neither fiscally nor naturally conservative. It is during this decade that the real definition and political one began to differ. I'd rather be adrift than conflicted.
@Harvey3rdman Thinking deep about issues doesn't mean there is a conflict. I was not a big fan of Reagan. He surrounded himself with insiders. If he had any insight at all he would have confronted the Fed as say Ron Paul does. The actor in him was playing charades to put us deeper into debt via the phony arms race, which is a globalist desire. Seemingly all of our pocket presidents are hell bend on sinking us deeper into debt. ~Enjoy
@RamsesReturns If you think deeply enough then you should find that there is an illusion of 'left' vs 'right' or conservative vs liberal. They become the yin to the others yang; Each one needs the other to exist and survive but then the only thing that is important to them is the argument and not the solution. It seems to me that you have taken the time to think your way out of that box. I only believe in truth and logic. I need and utilize these to defend my position[s].
That's because they weren't murders. If they were then there are still at least 60,000 accomplices out there [more if you count husbands or boyfriends who may or may not have been involved]. If they are 'murders' as you claim, and there is no statute of limitations on murder then these mothers/parents should be arrested, tried and convicted of the same crime.
But it won't happen. Because it wasn't murder and your commentary is simply aggrandizing, polarizing and inflammatory nonsense.
@ogunitracy Do you think you have the right to tell a woman what she can and can't do with her body? To make this choice illegal enlarges government control of personal issues and costs you much more in taxes than funding Planned Parenthood [of the 100% of funds given by the US Gov't only 3% is spent on actual abortions].
And the answer to your question is no. That's because nobody in this respect is killing babies [but nice try with the terminology]. Terminating pregnancy is NOT killing babies
@ogunitracy So you were out railing against our last president dragging innocent children of our country into killinng innocent children and families in another country? It never ceases to amaze me that most of the arrogance that stems from the argument of the 'sanctity of human life' seems to stop after the subjugation and controlling of women and sexual freedom in this country. After that well killing is just fine. Capital punishment? Most of you slather to pull the lever. Blind and narrow.
@ogunitracy Then you don't have a stake in this issue as it stands in the US. My argument still stands. In Nigeria you have bigger issues concerning the sanctity of human life rather than pass comment on a video about the death of an American doctor that performed abortions. Why is your average life expectancy at 47 years? You suffer more economic and governmental turmoil than we do in the US.
I suggest strongly that you remove the log from your own eye before removing the splinter from mine.
oh, and we're not telling a woman what to do with her body. the fetus growing her is not part of her body. Ask a doctor. If it weren't protected, the woman's own cells would attack it and kill it. They would see it as an enemy because it is not one of them. we're not talking about a woman's body. we're talking about her baby's body.
@ogunitracy If it isn't part of her body then it could survive completely on its own. But it can't can it? And what do you think kills sperm on its way to the egg? That's the woman's body rejecting this invasion. When pregnant with a boy the woman's body actually does attack it like a virus and tries to infuse it with more testosterone; This is why a family with 6-7 boys in a row run a chance of the last one being homosexual.
And YOU are still talking about control over a woman's choice.
a newborn is not part of its mother's body. it still can't survive on its own. it needs help. if a fetus is taken from a woman's body and given a suitable environment, it will still survive.
by telling me ways that the woman's body attacks it, you're agreeing with me that a baby is not part of its mother's body. you realize that, right?
Of course we're controlling a woman's choice. people cannot choose to do certain things - e.g theft, murder.
@ogunitracy Then you are replacing the mother with some other source that becomes a surrogate mother. Do you actually think before you type?
And no I'm not agreeing with you. It shows that the woman's body naturally denies being the host. Our bodies have natural antibodies that kill viruses and bacteria. It doesn't mean that we aren't the host and they don't live in us.
Thanks for admitting that you think pregnant women aren't able to make this decision for themselves. Subjugation-look it up!
a baby is not part of a woman's body because if it was, the body would not want to attack it. the body does try to attack it but it is 'protected' by the placenta which prevents the mother's cells from reaching it. the baby is therefore, not part of the mother.
the baby is a distinct human being and so has the right to life.
@ogunitracy Yes. We're discussing a women's right to choose a path and maintaining a safe, sane and [still] legal choice in this country. No matter how reprehensible a certain group might think it is it isn't their business. We are talking about terminating the possibility of a life.
Can you tell me how a woman on my street deciding to terminate affects you directly? It doesn't unless you become privvy to her personal affairs. So invading her privacy is OK-but our government invading yours...?
so, we're discussing a woman's right to kill another human being. if a woman has a right to kill another human being because it doesn't affect me, i have a right to kill my two - month old because it doesn't affect you. your dad also has the right to kill you because it doesn't affect me. we can all kill each other.
we're talking about the sanctity of life here. no one can choose to take another person's life.
@ogunitracy Tell that to YOUR government. Your theory is that 1] Once a woman becomes pregnant she must submit to the state; 2] Her impregnated uterus becomes a public utility and possession of the government and 3] The government and public's responsibility stops once the child is born. Sounds like fascism to me. Probably acceptable there in Nigeria.
Too stupid to get it. Your two-month old is just that! Successfully able to survive WITHOUT being attached to the mother. Killing it is murder.
@ogunitracy Your theory is based in simplicity and applied to a complex issue. Are you male or female? My attitude is that if it isn't your uterus you shouldn't make the decision. I would always advise people to bring the child forth and long for a world when every pregnancy is cause for celebration. Even at 16 in Nigeria you know this isn't the case. I don't believe in a political solution or legal punishment in this situation [which is the logical outgrowth of your position]; It promotes fear.
my dear, it's not really that complex. let's say a woman has 5 young children. she is unable to take care of them because she has no job. does that make it okay for her to kill one of them? abortion is no different. there is no legitimate reason to take another human being's life - no reason at all. it's going to be difficult, but all of life is difficult.
@ogunitracy I've addressed this already; Your argument is insipid and inflammatory as well as having no basis in the real issue. But, since you are too dumb to distinguish, read or comprehend here goes;
ONCE A HUMAN BEING IS BORN AND BREATHING ON IT'S OWN KILLING IT IS MURDER; PRIOR TO THIS IT IS THE MOTHER'S DECISION NOT YOURS. Preferably within the first trimester. I don't promote it I just support the choice. You should always support choice.
okay, i get your point now. it's only wrong to kill a human being if the human being is out of the womb. a human being living in its mother's womb has no right to life. cool. thanks for defining the rights of human babies.
@ogunitracy And you have made yourself abundantly clear as well. You believe a women's womb to become public property once she becomes pregnant and is subsequently unable to make decisions for herself. Your responsibility for said child ends after the child is born. You don't believe in choice [easy when you live in a country like Nigeria where choices are made for you all the time] and you don't believe in freedom.
Thanks for proving yourself to be short-sighted and dictatorial.
please grow up and participate in this converation in a civilized manner. throughout this conversation, you've insulted me and my country which you evidently know nothing about. where i come from, everyone has rights - women, pregnant women and unborn children
i have behaved in a civilized, grown-up manner and refrained from making untrue insinuations about your country. insults only prove that you have no idea what you're saying.
@ogunitracy So I have to accept your condescending and haughty tone? I think not. You do not address ANY of the issues I've brought up and have come up with NOTHING that proves your claim to make this decision for others. NONE.
Tell us why you think you can make this personal and private decision for others?
i have not yet seen the issues you brought up 'regarding abortions', not regarding my country or my age. please list them out and I'll tell you whether those are good enough reasons to kill a human being.
Is there any reason why an innocent human being should be killed?
@ogunitracy Are you saying that the average life expectancy in Nigeria is more than 47 years? That your country hasn't been victim to political and social overthrows several times since it's independence in 1960? That it isn't a patriarchal society? I insinuate nothing, my friend. And I have called you out several times to explain why you think you have the right to make this decision, arbitrarily, throughout the world for everyone and how it shouldn't be viewed as fascism?
I'm simply saying that that has nothing to do with the issue. the issue is whether mothers have the right to kill their young human beings and whether babies have the right to life.
@ogunitracy No. The issue is do you think you have the right to control it utilizing governmental and legal means. I don't believe anyone concerning this issue does except the mother involved. Not you. Not me. Period. The end.
All babies have the right to live. And when they are born they should have rights and freedoms. They should not be restricted by the narrow views of anyone. Not you. Not me. Period. The end.
Do YOU want others making your decisions for you? Do you like it when they do?
Is that the problem? you want to make your own decisions? Are there any stupid decisions you've made that you wish someone wiser had made for you? well, that's the issue here.
Of course women should make their own decisions when the decisions concern only them. this decision concerns the woman's baby who is also a human being. it determines whether the baby lives or dies. decisions affecting other people are not subject to any one person.
@ogunitracy There you go folks. When he wants to talk about one issue then it is about this one issue. I make a point on this issue and suddenly he applies it to all issues. Which is it, son? Because I will not follow some short-sighted twit down a rabbit hole.
Since you don't have a response from your obviously fascistic views on this subject I will refrain from responding until you answer.
Do you think you should have the right to control of women's reproductive rights worldwide?
once again a woman has a right to reproduce or not to reproduce. she has the right to do whatever she wants with her body. but we're talking about another human being's body here. a human being that cannot speak for itself. it's still a human being with rights. a baby cannot be killed for its mother's convenience.
@ogunitracy Ah HA! You're one of those that believe every woman makes this decision for 'convenience'. And that drivel about the rights of the unborn which you completely dismiss after the child is brought to fruition. "Well, we may have forced you to have this child that you are fiscally and mentally incapable of raising but YOU'RE ON YOUR OWN NOW-GOOD LUCK!" Your narrow-mindedness is prevalent. And we are talking about another human beings body-not yours or mine. The woman's. Remember her?
@ogunitracy the decision DOES concern only them. That was the point of my query of 'how does a woman on my street terminating a pregnancy affect you.'. Are you the father? Are you going to raise the child? Subsequently it is NOT your decision to make. If you think it is there is definitely a bad little worm crawling through your thought process.
"decisions affecting other people are not subject to any one person." How does her terminating a child affect you? Answer please!
@ogunitracy But your e-mail to me just said you never mentioned 'convenience' though you had just typed it in a comment 8 minutes prior to sending.
So whose life is it? Your opinion from what I can gather is that it belongs to everybody. Really?
The only way it affects you is if you are aware of every woman worldwide who becomes pregnant. Are you? And because you "think every human being has the right to life" you think you should control their reproductive rights?
okay. i here you. killing is wrong unless it's about unborn babies. This isn't sarcasm. I think you actually believe that. I hope that whenever you terminate a pregnancy, you feel no guilt. Guilt usually means you know you're doing something wrong. so long as you feel no guilt, do what you like. I'm happy for you.
@ogunitracy Killing is wrong. But there is a major difference between strangling a two-month old baby after it's been born [re: your comparison] and terminating a possibly unwanted child. This child usually grows into some sort of criminal or destructive element.
But again your arrogant and disdainful comment shows your lack of clear understanding of a complex issue. Excuse aside it certainly was sarcastic.
When you exercise complete control over the women in your life I hope you DO feel guilty
@ogunitracy My conscience is clear for I believe that truth and logic will lead us to a better world; The one I spoke of where every pregnancy is celebrated and removing or terminating it is not even considered. We won't get there through decrees or ultimatums. We won't achieve this by removing choices. And remember; Once you start to remove someone else's choice you open the door for others to take them from you. And that leads to fascism. Worldwide. Think on that!
@ogunitracy Human 'being'. Get it? BEING! Sorry you suffer the inability to distinguish between that and a zygote or embryo. Also sorry you can't address the more important issues of 'invasion of privacy' and 'right to choose'. And please don't preach to me again about your country that seems lacking in these two very important issues of basic human rights. I know more about yours than you do about mine.
And, most importantly, why do you think it is YOUR decision to make? You've never answered.
that's your second problem. the refusal to see a zygote as a human being. let's look at age groups. there's old age, middle age, young adult, teenage, childhood, baby, fetus and zygote. they all belong to the species called 'homo sapiens' - human beings. a zygote is still a member of our species. it is still a human being. it is no more right to kill it than it is to kill a baby.
@ogunitracy My point is that it isn't your decision to make any more than it is mine. It isn't an issue to be decided by consensus; I think I have stated this clearly for those with the intellect to understand it. I preach life and support choice-end of story. I would prefer a woman not to terminate. Is it your position that she be punished or not allowed to make this decision for herself? And if you employ your inclination politically or legally do you not see the fascism?
@ogunitracy You've not responded to the question of the 'sanctity of human life' issue-which is obviously your position. Have you donated money or time to removing land mines worldwide? Children over the world dying and losing limbs from forgotten mines we buried 40 years ago. Or what of non-denominational free or low-cost childcare? You've certainly donated time, money and effort to these, yes?
And what of the barbaric practices and treatment of women in your country? Stop wasting my time.
I'm 16 years old. I don't have a job or money of my own. at this point, I'm doing what I can do - stopping you from killing another human being by claiming that it is a woman's right to kill her baby. It is not a woman's right to kill her baby. when the baby is out of the womb, it is called murder. if the baby is in the womb, it is still murder because the baby is still a human being.
@ogunitracy 'baby' vs 'zygote'. 'terminate' vs 'kill'. You are a victim of emotional semantics. You have very little understanding of the social and political aspects of this country.
I don't kill babies; I fight for something you should fight for as well-a person's right to choose their path and reproductive rights around the world. If you remove this choice what stops someone from taking another one from you? It is and always will be about individual rights-something we should all care about.
@ogunitracy OK let's define terms. Zygote-synthesized from the union of two gametes, and constitutes the first stage in a unique organism's development.
Are you male or female? Do you think you have the right to choose the path of decisions for another human being 'for the greater good' or 'because they are unable to make the correct decision'? [Skip that one I already know the answer].
You live in a male dominated patriarchal country and you think you, at 16, can make this decision for all?
i'm making no decisions. i'm asking you to make the decision.
two male gametes combine to make a young human being. - isn't it a young human being? remember that we're now using descriptive terms to avoid being victims of emotional semantics.
@ogunitracy I beg to differ. Your intention is to make this decision for others. Other than that there is no point to our discussion. You've already stated that you believe in the subjugation of women, the restriction of sexual freedom and control of reproductive rights which smacks heavily of fascism. Being a 16 yr old male in a male controlled and patriarchal country your views are logical. They are also wrong.
Your question is inflammatory and senseless. I don't make that decision either.
@JonathanTaylor95 That is a very good point. However I think part of this is the intention of the birth mother and how far along the gestation period is. If the mother is further along then 14 weeks and had intended to bring the child into the world the count should stand.
The same question should be raised; If the birth mother is the one who decides to terminate the pregnancy shouldn't they be the targeted by anti-abortionists? In effect they are the murderers and the doctor is the accomplice.
@Harvey3rdman Very good points, the whole issue in my opinion is individual to each person. We all stand in the face of God in the end to anwser for our own life. Peace.
@JonathanTaylor95 Death is the common denominator of all things earthbound. What awaits us after this life is over is undetermined. If God does exist I will judged by my thoughts and actions. If Hell awaits me I'm sure I will find many who've arrived before me who thought themselves righteous and pious. Peace and love to you as well.
It is not possible to make abortion illegal, at the same time as you want property rights (over your body and whats in it). And lets face it; why is it relevant that the fetus would be characterize as a living human being? Do this 'humanbeing' has a choice of not be there? He he he
@larsiemannen: And even funnier; we could conclude that 'having a baby' is equally to have a slavey in your body, and thus you should be jailed to jail up a humanbeing for 9 months!! lololol..
the fetus growing a woman is not part of her body. Ask a doctor. If it weren't protected, the woman's own cells would attack it and kill it. They would see it as an enemy because it is not one of them. and in having the baby, the woman is the slave, not the baby. she's the one who goes through all the trouble. the baby is just there, getting comfortable.
@ogunitracy it is protected as long as she wants it. but its still her body, and the fetus is the slave of the mother, cause thats the nature of children in general. Or would you think its wrong to force ur kids to eat vegetables? Principle of ownership would colapse if the fetus is the master of the mother.
i understand you. i really do. but the dictionary defines a baby as
a. A very young child; an infant.
b. An unborn child; a fetus.
c. The youngest member of a family or group.
d. A very young animal.
I just think it is wrong to kill babies. that's all.
i think people refuse to call them babies to justify their killings. they call the babies 'zygotes' even though they are still babies and replace 'kill' with 'terminate' to hide the fact that a human life has been ended.
@ogunitracy: If its wrong for you it doesnt nescessarly means its wrong to kill the unborn child for another. You errase life, thats true, but we dont have any sign of consciousness, nor is it independent. Isnt this all adulthood is about? Who are you, or others, to claim the right to controll others life, especially when it comes to my kids, or my unborn child? Isnt this claim based on socialistic premise?
@ogunitracy "i'm not claiming anything. I'm simply saying it's wrong to kill babies"-Are you really that stupid? You are fond of that bloody dictionary, right?
'Claim'-to assert or maintain as a fact.
'Saying'-to express in words; state; declare; word.
All you do here is make declarative statements and pass judgement while commenting that you are NOT doing those things.
Look up 'imbecile'. See if your picture is next to it. Then try 'convoluted'
@DerHammer86 No. What makes it seem true is the devout commenting the way they do here as well as other places. People are always stating that drugs make you stupid. Obviously belief in God must be the most potent drug of all.
@Harvey3rdman Also by Marx "We are ruthless and asl no quarter from you. When our turn comes we shall not disguise our terrorism." (addressing the Prussian Government in 1849)
"Karl Marx kept a female slave from the time she was 8 years old, eventually using her not only as a servant but as his mistress, never acknowledging his child with her or paying her at all. ... Like so many liberal icons, Marx seldom bathed and left his wife and children in poverty." Ann Coulter 5/18/2011
@mssnrykd I don't understand the point of your comment. Is it that you think because someone has done less than admirable [or even seemingly repugnant] deeds in their life it dismisses everything else they ever wrote, said or did?
I find that hard to fathom when you use a quote from a petty, narcissistic pathological liar.
If their is any group in the USA today behaving like terrorists it is Christians. The subject here and my discussions with them only serve to confirm this.
@Harvey3rdman My point was more that he was a hypocrite for complaining about low wages given to other workers when he never paid one of his own. Also, my point in quoting his less famous statement was to show what kind of person he was. Also, I challenge your assertion about ms. Coulter, can you provide any evidence of this?
For my reference on Marx, see Paul Johnson "Intelectuals". I used Coulter's quote b/c it summarizes the entire chapter on Marx well.
@mssnrykd Your choices for sources of information and quotes taken out of the context of their original format and situation shows how you and Ms. Coulter believe in the method of subterfuge and misinformation to 'win' an argument rather than come to a natural and uplifting conclusion; You learn something.
I will find and send you links to prove Ms Coulter's behavior as petty and narcissistic as well as her compunction for misrepresenting the truth in the future. She's not really blonde, y'know?
@Harvey3rdman "sources of information and quotes taken out of the context of their original format and situation" Which ones of mine exactly?
"She's not really blonde, y'know?" If this is true that would be news to me?
Still not sure why I would take the claims of a random person I don't know on the internet over someone whom I have checked and repeatedly found to be trustworthy. Not infallible, trust worthy.
@ogunitracy You still do not have the right to make this or any choice for any other human being. You are ill-equipped to care for all of the unborn children you profess to want to save. Since this is true you have no right to force anyone to bring a life into this world. You are great with rhetoric but terrible with logic and understanding. Your arguments are specious and meaningless; They NEVER consider the welfare or situation of the parents or mother. You understand little to nothing.
@Harvey3rdman Were not talking about forcing someone to bring a life into the world (they have already done so), we just want to keep them from taking that life out of this world. As to considering the the welfare/situations of the parents, what about adoption?
@mssnrykd You're still speaking of forcing them through the gestation period and bringing the life to term based on...what, again? You take a personal decision away from a woman by forcing your will and morals upon her and you see this fascism as the moral high ground. You are confused. And if you read my other comments or my channel you would know my position on bringing life into the world.
I welcome it and will always advise others to help bring life forward. Your attitude does not encourage.
TMBrd89 - Possibly .... probably .... nope ..... definitely the stupidest post I have seen. First off, sperm is only half the equation. Actually, first off, let me say that I am pro Choice. Not Pro Abortion like the Pro Choice movement.
Fetuses are born in the 3 trimester ..... every freakin' day. Tiller was a freakin' animal and for the others here feeling bad for his family ..... Hitler had a mother too. Wanna send her flowers?
I feel bad for his kids because he was their father.
A fetus isn't alive, every time a human has sex, 15 millions potential lives are killed. The fact remains the 25% of pregnancies end in natural miscarriage. A fetus can't fell, can't hear, can't think.... because it's brain isn't formed. What's next protect sperm rights?
@Reu360 Puppies are fully formed and can live outside of the womb. Apparently you didn't follow the logic properly. Please try again and next time don't try to emotional pleas to sway people. It's just desperate and a waste of valuable time.
Tiller certainly was a mass murderer, and no matter how you feel about the guy that killed him, you have got to admit that Tiller got what he deserved. With this said, it goes against scripture to carry out punishments that our laws forbid us to do. This, I suppose, is how we can justify killing someone who is about to kill someone else as long as they are not in the womb.
@YHWHisSovereign I get what you are saying but Tiller wasn't the only person who faced the consequences. This guy had kids and they are going to hear all this stuff about their dead father.
yeah dude i think if you wanna abort your baby you shouldnt wait on it.. because at that point the baby is alive. but republicans are always the ones to kill people because they cant handle their anger. you deal with your anger by looking like an idiot
Does this guy not know about deaths of unborn and just born children? Things beyond any of our control kill unborn children all the time, who is to blame for this? Right we are all sinners and those unborn children brought it on themselves!
Third trimester is something I disagree with unless the mother has very good reasons, such as risk to her own health or the baby was a product of rape or is very ill of its own accord as the baby may suffer. It's all about being humane and before the baby has a nervous system it feels no pain what so ever, and doesnt even know it exists. As an atheist and a vegetarian, i fail to see any reason to put the deaths of unborn children who arent even aware of their existence above those of animals. PO
We have staked the whole future of American civilization, not upon the power of government, far from it. Weve staked the future of all our political institutions upon our capacityto sustain ourselves according to the Ten Commandments of God. - Benjamin Franklin
July 4th ought to be commemorated as the day of deliverance by solemn acts of devotion to God Almighty. - John Adams
@asimonds422 they have proven statistics that your example is less then a 10th of 1% compared to the regular reasons for having an abortion (such as 'Oops, I fooled around too much, and i don't like having consequences')... and Regardless, how is this the sin of the child?
You're the fool. You can't call a baby an adult, either. What's your point? A fetus, just like a toddler, is a human organism; a stage in human development. And yes, abortion for non medical reasons is murder. It's premeditated and malicious and it results in a loss of life. Sounds like murder to me.
anyone that would say calling abortion murder, and a fetus a baby makes you a fool liar or both is lying to themselves, which would make them a fool. Once the process of life has begun, it has begun. To ignore that is to ignore reality and logic.
@evilnomad111 whoa... who said that. breeding.. and having a baby are two completely different things. We should not let people just have an escape route any time they get themselves in a situation and don't want the responsibility that comes with that situation.
Fact - If you decapitate someone while they're sleeping, and do it fast enough. They'll never know they're being "discarded" But it's still illegal.
Fact - A corpse will not become a baby in 9 months.
Yes, forcing women to gestate. It's unconstitutional. You cannot force a woman to breed if she doesn't want to. What she does with her uterus is her business, not yours.
An embryo doesn't have a neurological system. This is a fact. In order to have the right to life, you must be able to claim it. An embryo has not the ability to do so.
@daPlumber702 According to you, if there was a burning building and in one room there was a 5 year old girl burning alive, and in the other there was a pitri dish with 6 embryos in them, by your logic, you would save the 6 embryos. So yes, what you are proposing is insane. That sleeping man and the 5 year old have a neurological system, an embryo doesn't. We have the right to life, not POTENTIAL. life. There is a big difference.
Fact - You never know what will happen period. You could start typing a reply to this and your laptop could explode in your face, killing you immediately.. You'd probably never know you'd just been discarded. Wouldn't that make you feel great?
A fly has more neuro pathways than an embryo will ever have. Yes, it will never have the opportunity to become a 9 month old baby, but in that frame of time, more suffering is visited by hitting a fly than discarding an embryo.
And no, I don't know what will happen. Neither will you. You don't know if that embryo will split, or if two will fuse. You don't know if it is going to be a miscarriage or not. So, there is no valid reason to keep the embryo if the mom doesnt want to
My wife is 12 weeks, it has a head, feet, arms etc. it moves. looks like a human to me. has looked like one for a while now. Killing a fetus is murder. Let the woman look at the ultrasounds and hear the heartbeat. if they still want the life dead, then there is no hope for them.
This is for all the those pro-abort folks. Have you read the testimonials of women who were under George Tiller's care?? He was one of the most brutal, mean, evil men ever to practice medicine. Read and educate yourselves. I have never met a pro-choice person who didn't enjoy being a group of helpless human cells or any stage of their lives. They are never angry at their moms for not aborting them. Collectively they are the most illogical, hypocritical, group of nitwits I've ever met.!!
How about this concept, all human life has equal and inviolable dignity and ought not be destroyed for reasons off vanity or convenience.
3rd trimester abortion is murder, might not be under the law but just because turning in Jews to Nazis wasn't illegal, it did not make it morally justifiable.
I completely agree with this concept, in your first sentense.
I don't agree with 3rd trimester abortion, unless it is done for medical reasons, to save the mother's life. It is a difficult and risky surgical operation, and I understand dr. Tiller was an expert in that. His killer may have endangered other lives by killing him. You are an intelligent, thinking young man, and I think it is irresponsible of you to compare this to ruining and extinguishing the lives of people with built up lives.
You should get your concepts clear. In the 1st trimester, when abortions are usually made, the zygote (fertilized egg) and the the foetus, is just a ball of cells, it's not a human being, it's not a baby, nature hasn't invested in it yet. Mistakes happen and the woman should be able to control her own life and body. I am not for abortion, not at all, I am for contraception.
"Human rights for all of humanity!"? Absolutely! But don't let yourself be preyed upon by propaganda like this.
1) George Tiller performed 3rd Trimerster abortions. Google image search"third trimester baby" then tell me that Mr. Tiller was not a murderer.
FYI, all human life begins at conception//fertilization.
Even abortion-rights activist have to concede this fact. Now in order to maintain their position their arguments have shifted to person-hood (i.e. person hood is a characteristic that develops sometime after a human being comes into existence)
uhm.....have you ever SEEN what abortion really DOES? to claim abortion is not murder you must be either blind, ignorant, or plain too scared to look it in the face.
Wow, I did not even know he died, but a little over a year ago I wrote a blog about him saying he should be stopped. Not to sound cruel, but he had it coming.
Yeah, let's all mourn the death of that monster. He got rich by killing helpless and defenseless unborn babies...what a hero. Takes a real man to do what Tiller did. Those that really mourn that murderers death, are just as sick and twisted as he so clearly was.
Lorra41 the murder of george Tiller will only hurt the pro-life cause. I could not condone what happened to him because I am a christian. If I grabbed a gun and shot the nearest abortion doctor, then I too would be a murderer.
Guardian, I agree with you and you should have a green score rather than red. What people do not understand is that killing Tiller in the long run will end up with a greater number of children murdered than what he alone would have done. The man who killed Tiller may very well end up personally guilty of the deaths of millions due to the set back this has caused the pro-life movement.
zimmerk3 I dont really understand you reasoning. Tiller was good because he was murderer, but since he is not murdering anymore, there will be more murderers out there, thus Tiller was good? How about not allowing late term abortion at all? That is just pure murder. And I said late term so dont try to twist my words. (the only time it is necessary, is when mother is in danger). An no it wasnt good that he was killed, he should have been facing sentence in court though,.
Read my post with the words I used, compared to the words you are attempting to force into what I wrote. Please stop twisting my words sir. Tiller was not good. But due to the very negative PR the pro-life movement has received may very well delay the end of legal (as well as illegal) abortions. In the extra time abortion remains legal while we are trying to recover from this damage many many will die, to the tune of over 3,000 per day in this country. Tiller was not anywhere near that number...
Do pro-deathers support this barbaric act because it produces vast wealth? If late term abortion were performed for free, would that be less wrong? It's NEVER done to save the life of the mother, so are abortions performed by folks who enjoy the act? Or, are they indifferent to this sadism, having no emotion at all when taking a life? Isn't either a psychosis? How does one dismember or dissolve a living human child, without being murderously psychotic, just as a serial killer is?,
It says in the bible those will call good evil and evil good, so looking at that guy who murdered all those children as a good person just proves we are in the last days.
How appropriate that this sub-human would have a last name that rhymed with his "profession"....."killer". "Tiller the Killer" is right!!! No tears were shed, nor indignation or sorrow felt here for that slime. In my opinion, he didn't die a horrible enough death. The good news is....he will spend ETERNITY reaping the "rewards" of killing 60,000 innocent children.......And that WILLbe horrible enough.
It's is stupid and naive to think that all abortions where done because the mother was in jeopardy of dying. When a man goes to war in order to save society, does he say "It's my body I can do what ever I want" The mother should just off her self and let the baby live.
I understand how abortions can sometimes save the life of the mother, but a point very few seem to make on the side of pro-life (which they should) that if the mother and child have survived to the third trimester, and the mother is in danger, why can't you perform a c-section or induce early labor and then try to save the infant instead of an abortion? I mean, come on--it's coming out anyway. The main difference is whether or not you decide to suck out its brains first.
I think that fornicators who hold that aborting the unborn is O.K. are parasites sucking the blood of our culture and weakening it.
I think the fellow who killed Tiller is a hero who actually stood up for what he believed in; rather than just calling abortion murder, he reacted as if it were, and defended the innocent.
If you believe an eye for an eye that's fine. I don't. That's why I support local states setting the laws of capital punishment and abortion, not the federal government.
There is so many of us with different beliefs and opinions it's not freedom to inflect every single complex issue on everyone.
educating yourself.
missmurder008 1 month ago
Honestly, I hope you get a wife, and her fetus dies inside her but wont come out in a regular miscarriage, meaning she needs a third trimester abortion to live, just to see how you feel about it then.
Or perhaps it's discovered that cancer is eating the fetus slowly and torturing it and aborting it is the only humane thing to do, see how you oppose that.
Those are the women Dr. Tiller was brave enough to help, but you hate women, hate children and hate society, and hate dictionaries and
missmurder008 1 month ago
Dr. George tiller was a hero, not a murderer. He provided abortions for women that needed them, have you ever read the stories behind 3rd trimester abortions??
They are truly sad, and to be able to help those women in those cases is such a wonderful thing.
He inspired me to follow in his footsteps.
A fetus isn't a person, killing it is not murder by any stretch. It's not unlawful or illegal (like there's a difference, but both are mentioned in the definition just to clarify abortion isn't)
missmurder008 1 month ago
>I dont want pain, so i kill the kid inside of me.
Now that's fucking evil you little shit.
chrstilen5 2 months ago
I have to ask are you a gay communist Jewish terrorist? People really want to know.
TheThevideoguy 3 months ago
Watching your videos has LITERALLY put me to the point of almost puking. I feel as if I have to swallow 10 bottles of antacid just to feel better. You are the exact kind of person the Nazis would have LOVED to have in their ranks. You make want to rip off my ears to stop them from bleeding from hearing your voice.
TheThevideoguy 3 months ago
Tiller should be preparing a nice warm place for Sebelius when she finally joins him in hell.
zamyrabyrd 4 months ago
Funny how that documentary done by maddow showed killer tiller in the best possible light and commenting how the clown was shot in both arms prior tohis killing, but failed to mention the fact that tiller the killer himself used his car to run over two people who were expressing their own right to choose freedom of speech.
ENDRENOABORTION 7 months ago
The Marx quote is out of it's political climate. It makes sense and is understandable considering the era, the times and what he considered at stake.
A simple look through the internet for Ms Coulters High School pictures and quotes from friends shows any fool that her hair was NOT PLATINUM BLONDE when she was younger and hair don't get lighter without help from a bottle my blind and shallow friend.
I believe that which is not just trustworthy but also sensible and plausible.
Harvey3rdman 7 months ago
Solutions are often found outside the box. Let us hope you see past the controlled right and left paradigm. The media manipulates those on the the left as well as the right, the left is led through their emotions... this makes them easy targets for advancing the goals of the globalists. There are degrees of where people are on the right and left. The left tries to create this image as all those on the right as Dick Cheney. That would be like saying the poster child of the left is Barney Frank.
RamsesReturns 8 months ago
The difference in listening to conservatives and liberals, is that the conservative has a foundation, the liberal does not. The conservative has scripture as their platform, the liberal has the politically correct and diversity hand book. The conservative will makes sense out of issues, the liberal generally heckles, name calls or blames. I am fundamentally conservative, but I do have some liberal views. The liberal is no match against logical conservative. The liberal seems to be adrift.
RamsesReturns 8 months ago
@RamsesReturns By your view a conservative has a foundation but it is one that is in conflict with the true definition of the word. A person once told me he was a "Reagan Conservative". I pointed out several ways [by way of which he behaved during his tenure as both Gov. of CA and POTUS] that this was an oxymoron. Reagan was neither fiscally nor naturally conservative. It is during this decade that the real definition and political one began to differ. I'd rather be adrift than conflicted.
Harvey3rdman 8 months ago
@Harvey3rdman Thinking deep about issues doesn't mean there is a conflict. I was not a big fan of Reagan. He surrounded himself with insiders. If he had any insight at all he would have confronted the Fed as say Ron Paul does. The actor in him was playing charades to put us deeper into debt via the phony arms race, which is a globalist desire. Seemingly all of our pocket presidents are hell bend on sinking us deeper into debt. ~Enjoy
RamsesReturns 8 months ago
@RamsesReturns If you think deeply enough then you should find that there is an illusion of 'left' vs 'right' or conservative vs liberal. They become the yin to the others yang; Each one needs the other to exist and survive but then the only thing that is important to them is the argument and not the solution. It seems to me that you have taken the time to think your way out of that box. I only believe in truth and logic. I need and utilize these to defend my position[s].
~namasté.
Harvey3rdman 8 months ago
That's because they weren't murders. If they were then there are still at least 60,000 accomplices out there [more if you count husbands or boyfriends who may or may not have been involved]. If they are 'murders' as you claim, and there is no statute of limitations on murder then these mothers/parents should be arrested, tried and convicted of the same crime.
But it won't happen. Because it wasn't murder and your commentary is simply aggrandizing, polarizing and inflammatory nonsense.
Harvey3rdman 10 months ago
@Harvey3rdman
do you think it's okay to kill babies?
ogunitracy 9 months ago
@ogunitracy Do you think you have the right to tell a woman what she can and can't do with her body? To make this choice illegal enlarges government control of personal issues and costs you much more in taxes than funding Planned Parenthood [of the 100% of funds given by the US Gov't only 3% is spent on actual abortions].
And the answer to your question is no. That's because nobody in this respect is killing babies [but nice try with the terminology]. Terminating pregnancy is NOT killing babies
Harvey3rdman 9 months ago
@Harvey3rdman
definition of baby:
a. A very young child; an infant.
b. An unborn child; a fetus.
c. The youngest member of a family or group.
d. A very young animal.
read a dictionary.
secondly, a the thing you are terminating is a young, living, human being. it is obviously alive or we wouldn't be trying to kill it.
it is obviously a human being because we only bear young of our own species.
killing a human being, young or old is wrong.
ogunitracy 9 months ago
@ogunitracy So you were out railing against our last president dragging innocent children of our country into killinng innocent children and families in another country? It never ceases to amaze me that most of the arrogance that stems from the argument of the 'sanctity of human life' seems to stop after the subjugation and controlling of women and sexual freedom in this country. After that well killing is just fine. Capital punishment? Most of you slather to pull the lever. Blind and narrow.
Harvey3rdman 9 months ago
@Harvey3rdman
what does any of that have to do with abortions? I'm probably not even from your country. why are you changing the subject?
ogunitracy 9 months ago
@ogunitracy Then you don't have a stake in this issue as it stands in the US. My argument still stands. In Nigeria you have bigger issues concerning the sanctity of human life rather than pass comment on a video about the death of an American doctor that performed abortions. Why is your average life expectancy at 47 years? You suffer more economic and governmental turmoil than we do in the US.
I suggest strongly that you remove the log from your own eye before removing the splinter from mine.
Harvey3rdman 9 months ago
@Harvey3rdman
oh, and we're not telling a woman what to do with her body. the fetus growing her is not part of her body. Ask a doctor. If it weren't protected, the woman's own cells would attack it and kill it. They would see it as an enemy because it is not one of them. we're not talking about a woman's body. we're talking about her baby's body.
ogunitracy 9 months ago
@ogunitracy If it isn't part of her body then it could survive completely on its own. But it can't can it? And what do you think kills sperm on its way to the egg? That's the woman's body rejecting this invasion. When pregnant with a boy the woman's body actually does attack it like a virus and tries to infuse it with more testosterone; This is why a family with 6-7 boys in a row run a chance of the last one being homosexual.
And YOU are still talking about control over a woman's choice.
Harvey3rdman 9 months ago
@Harvey3rdman
a newborn is not part of its mother's body. it still can't survive on its own. it needs help. if a fetus is taken from a woman's body and given a suitable environment, it will still survive.
by telling me ways that the woman's body attacks it, you're agreeing with me that a baby is not part of its mother's body. you realize that, right?
Of course we're controlling a woman's choice. people cannot choose to do certain things - e.g theft, murder.
ogunitracy 9 months ago
@ogunitracy Then you are replacing the mother with some other source that becomes a surrogate mother. Do you actually think before you type?
And no I'm not agreeing with you. It shows that the woman's body naturally denies being the host. Our bodies have natural antibodies that kill viruses and bacteria. It doesn't mean that we aren't the host and they don't live in us.
Thanks for admitting that you think pregnant women aren't able to make this decision for themselves. Subjugation-look it up!
Harvey3rdman 9 months ago
@Harvey3rdman
do you remember what we're discussing?
a baby is not part of a woman's body because if it was, the body would not want to attack it. the body does try to attack it but it is 'protected' by the placenta which prevents the mother's cells from reaching it. the baby is therefore, not part of the mother.
the baby is a distinct human being and so has the right to life.
ogunitracy 9 months ago
@ogunitracy Yes. We're discussing a women's right to choose a path and maintaining a safe, sane and [still] legal choice in this country. No matter how reprehensible a certain group might think it is it isn't their business. We are talking about terminating the possibility of a life.
Can you tell me how a woman on my street deciding to terminate affects you directly? It doesn't unless you become privvy to her personal affairs. So invading her privacy is OK-but our government invading yours...?
Harvey3rdman 9 months ago
@Harvey3rdman
so, we're discussing a woman's right to kill another human being. if a woman has a right to kill another human being because it doesn't affect me, i have a right to kill my two - month old because it doesn't affect you. your dad also has the right to kill you because it doesn't affect me. we can all kill each other.
we're talking about the sanctity of life here. no one can choose to take another person's life.
ogunitracy 9 months ago
@ogunitracy Tell that to YOUR government. Your theory is that 1] Once a woman becomes pregnant she must submit to the state; 2] Her impregnated uterus becomes a public utility and possession of the government and 3] The government and public's responsibility stops once the child is born. Sounds like fascism to me. Probably acceptable there in Nigeria.
Too stupid to get it. Your two-month old is just that! Successfully able to survive WITHOUT being attached to the mother. Killing it is murder.
Harvey3rdman 9 months ago
@Harvey3rdman
my theory is that a baby is a human being and should not be killed for any reason - simple. do you think a baby should be killed?
ogunitracy 9 months ago
@ogunitracy Your theory is based in simplicity and applied to a complex issue. Are you male or female? My attitude is that if it isn't your uterus you shouldn't make the decision. I would always advise people to bring the child forth and long for a world when every pregnancy is cause for celebration. Even at 16 in Nigeria you know this isn't the case. I don't believe in a political solution or legal punishment in this situation [which is the logical outgrowth of your position]; It promotes fear.
Harvey3rdman 9 months ago
@Harvey3rdman
my dear, it's not really that complex. let's say a woman has 5 young children. she is unable to take care of them because she has no job. does that make it okay for her to kill one of them? abortion is no different. there is no legitimate reason to take another human being's life - no reason at all. it's going to be difficult, but all of life is difficult.
ogunitracy 9 months ago
@ogunitracy I've addressed this already; Your argument is insipid and inflammatory as well as having no basis in the real issue. But, since you are too dumb to distinguish, read or comprehend here goes;
ONCE A HUMAN BEING IS BORN AND BREATHING ON IT'S OWN KILLING IT IS MURDER; PRIOR TO THIS IT IS THE MOTHER'S DECISION NOT YOURS. Preferably within the first trimester. I don't promote it I just support the choice. You should always support choice.
Harvey3rdman 9 months ago
@Harvey3rdman
okay, i get your point now. it's only wrong to kill a human being if the human being is out of the womb. a human being living in its mother's womb has no right to life. cool. thanks for defining the rights of human babies.
ogunitracy 9 months ago
@ogunitracy And you have made yourself abundantly clear as well. You believe a women's womb to become public property once she becomes pregnant and is subsequently unable to make decisions for herself. Your responsibility for said child ends after the child is born. You don't believe in choice [easy when you live in a country like Nigeria where choices are made for you all the time] and you don't believe in freedom.
Thanks for proving yourself to be short-sighted and dictatorial.
Harvey3rdman 9 months ago
@Harvey3rdman
please grow up and participate in this converation in a civilized manner. throughout this conversation, you've insulted me and my country which you evidently know nothing about. where i come from, everyone has rights - women, pregnant women and unborn children
i have behaved in a civilized, grown-up manner and refrained from making untrue insinuations about your country. insults only prove that you have no idea what you're saying.
ogunitracy 9 months ago
@ogunitracy So I have to accept your condescending and haughty tone? I think not. You do not address ANY of the issues I've brought up and have come up with NOTHING that proves your claim to make this decision for others. NONE.
Tell us why you think you can make this personal and private decision for others?
Harvey3rdman 9 months ago
@Harvey3rdman
fine, i won't express any opinions at all.
i have not yet seen the issues you brought up 'regarding abortions', not regarding my country or my age. please list them out and I'll tell you whether those are good enough reasons to kill a human being.
Is there any reason why an innocent human being should be killed?
ogunitracy 9 months ago
@ogunitracy Are you saying that the average life expectancy in Nigeria is more than 47 years? That your country hasn't been victim to political and social overthrows several times since it's independence in 1960? That it isn't a patriarchal society? I insinuate nothing, my friend. And I have called you out several times to explain why you think you have the right to make this decision, arbitrarily, throughout the world for everyone and how it shouldn't be viewed as fascism?
Harvey3rdman 9 months ago
@Harvey3rdman
I'm simply saying that that has nothing to do with the issue. the issue is whether mothers have the right to kill their young human beings and whether babies have the right to life.
ogunitracy 9 months ago
@ogunitracy No. The issue is do you think you have the right to control it utilizing governmental and legal means. I don't believe anyone concerning this issue does except the mother involved. Not you. Not me. Period. The end.
All babies have the right to live. And when they are born they should have rights and freedoms. They should not be restricted by the narrow views of anyone. Not you. Not me. Period. The end.
Do YOU want others making your decisions for you? Do you like it when they do?
Harvey3rdman 9 months ago
@Harvey3rdman
Is that the problem? you want to make your own decisions? Are there any stupid decisions you've made that you wish someone wiser had made for you? well, that's the issue here.
Of course women should make their own decisions when the decisions concern only them. this decision concerns the woman's baby who is also a human being. it determines whether the baby lives or dies. decisions affecting other people are not subject to any one person.
ogunitracy 9 months ago
@ogunitracy There you go folks. When he wants to talk about one issue then it is about this one issue. I make a point on this issue and suddenly he applies it to all issues. Which is it, son? Because I will not follow some short-sighted twit down a rabbit hole.
Since you don't have a response from your obviously fascistic views on this subject I will refrain from responding until you answer.
Do you think you should have the right to control of women's reproductive rights worldwide?
Harvey3rdman 9 months ago
@Harvey3rdman
once again a woman has a right to reproduce or not to reproduce. she has the right to do whatever she wants with her body. but we're talking about another human being's body here. a human being that cannot speak for itself. it's still a human being with rights. a baby cannot be killed for its mother's convenience.
ogunitracy 9 months ago
@ogunitracy Ah HA! You're one of those that believe every woman makes this decision for 'convenience'. And that drivel about the rights of the unborn which you completely dismiss after the child is brought to fruition. "Well, we may have forced you to have this child that you are fiscally and mentally incapable of raising but YOU'RE ON YOUR OWN NOW-GOOD LUCK!" Your narrow-mindedness is prevalent. And we are talking about another human beings body-not yours or mine. The woman's. Remember her?
Harvey3rdman 9 months ago
@ogunitracy the decision DOES concern only them. That was the point of my query of 'how does a woman on my street terminating a pregnancy affect you.'. Are you the father? Are you going to raise the child? Subsequently it is NOT your decision to make. If you think it is there is definitely a bad little worm crawling through your thought process.
"decisions affecting other people are not subject to any one person." How does her terminating a child affect you? Answer please!
Harvey3rdman 9 months ago
@Harvey3rdman
okay. i took it there because i didn't want you breaking up your answers. it's confusing. if you can keep your replies to one post, I'll be glad.
by convenience, i meant that a woman can take a baby's life because she wants to. it's not her life.
it affects me because i think every human being has the right to life. is the life in a woman's womb not a human being?
ogunitracy 9 months ago
@ogunitracy But your e-mail to me just said you never mentioned 'convenience' though you had just typed it in a comment 8 minutes prior to sending.
So whose life is it? Your opinion from what I can gather is that it belongs to everybody. Really?
The only way it affects you is if you are aware of every woman worldwide who becomes pregnant. Are you? And because you "think every human being has the right to life" you think you should control their reproductive rights?
You're NOT listening...
Harvey3rdman 9 months ago
@Harvey3rdman
okay. i here you. killing is wrong unless it's about unborn babies. This isn't sarcasm. I think you actually believe that. I hope that whenever you terminate a pregnancy, you feel no guilt. Guilt usually means you know you're doing something wrong. so long as you feel no guilt, do what you like. I'm happy for you.
ogunitracy 9 months ago
@ogunitracy Killing is wrong. But there is a major difference between strangling a two-month old baby after it's been born [re: your comparison] and terminating a possibly unwanted child. This child usually grows into some sort of criminal or destructive element.
But again your arrogant and disdainful comment shows your lack of clear understanding of a complex issue. Excuse aside it certainly was sarcastic.
When you exercise complete control over the women in your life I hope you DO feel guilty
Harvey3rdman 9 months ago
@Harvey3rdman
I've heard you. Like I said, let your conscience be your judge.
ogunitracy 9 months ago
@ogunitracy My conscience is clear for I believe that truth and logic will lead us to a better world; The one I spoke of where every pregnancy is celebrated and removing or terminating it is not even considered. We won't get there through decrees or ultimatums. We won't achieve this by removing choices. And remember; Once you start to remove someone else's choice you open the door for others to take them from you. And that leads to fascism. Worldwide. Think on that!
Harvey3rdman 9 months ago
@Harvey3rdman
okay. i'm happy for you.
ogunitracy 9 months ago
@Harvey3rdman
I'm not trying to judge you. I let my conscience judge me. you should do the same.
ogunitracy 9 months ago
@ogunitracy "I'm not trying to judge you." Your comments say otherwise.
Harvey3rdman 9 months ago
@Harvey3rdman
why is a woman's right to kill her unborn baby her decision to make and her right to kill her 'born' baby the society's decision to make?
ogunitracy 9 months ago
@ogunitracy Human 'being'. Get it? BEING! Sorry you suffer the inability to distinguish between that and a zygote or embryo. Also sorry you can't address the more important issues of 'invasion of privacy' and 'right to choose'. And please don't preach to me again about your country that seems lacking in these two very important issues of basic human rights. I know more about yours than you do about mine.
And, most importantly, why do you think it is YOUR decision to make? You've never answered.
Harvey3rdman 9 months ago
@Harvey3rdman
that's your second problem. the refusal to see a zygote as a human being. let's look at age groups. there's old age, middle age, young adult, teenage, childhood, baby, fetus and zygote. they all belong to the species called 'homo sapiens' - human beings. a zygote is still a member of our species. it is still a human being. it is no more right to kill it than it is to kill a baby.
ogunitracy 9 months ago
@ogunitracy My point is that it isn't your decision to make any more than it is mine. It isn't an issue to be decided by consensus; I think I have stated this clearly for those with the intellect to understand it. I preach life and support choice-end of story. I would prefer a woman not to terminate. Is it your position that she be punished or not allowed to make this decision for herself? And if you employ your inclination politically or legally do you not see the fascism?
Harvey3rdman 9 months ago
@ogunitracy You've not responded to the question of the 'sanctity of human life' issue-which is obviously your position. Have you donated money or time to removing land mines worldwide? Children over the world dying and losing limbs from forgotten mines we buried 40 years ago. Or what of non-denominational free or low-cost childcare? You've certainly donated time, money and effort to these, yes?
And what of the barbaric practices and treatment of women in your country? Stop wasting my time.
Harvey3rdman 9 months ago
@Harvey3rdman
I'm 16 years old. I don't have a job or money of my own. at this point, I'm doing what I can do - stopping you from killing another human being by claiming that it is a woman's right to kill her baby. It is not a woman's right to kill her baby. when the baby is out of the womb, it is called murder. if the baby is in the womb, it is still murder because the baby is still a human being.
ogunitracy 9 months ago
@ogunitracy 'baby' vs 'zygote'. 'terminate' vs 'kill'. You are a victim of emotional semantics. You have very little understanding of the social and political aspects of this country.
I don't kill babies; I fight for something you should fight for as well-a person's right to choose their path and reproductive rights around the world. If you remove this choice what stops someone from taking another one from you? It is and always will be about individual rights-something we should all care about.
Harvey3rdman 9 months ago
@Harvey3rdman
okay, let's define the terms.
a baby is a young human being
a zygote is an even younger human being.
Is it okay to 'terminate' a young human being?
ogunitracy 9 months ago
@ogunitracy OK let's define terms. Zygote-synthesized from the union of two gametes, and constitutes the first stage in a unique organism's development.
Are you male or female? Do you think you have the right to choose the path of decisions for another human being 'for the greater good' or 'because they are unable to make the correct decision'? [Skip that one I already know the answer].
You live in a male dominated patriarchal country and you think you, at 16, can make this decision for all?
Harvey3rdman 9 months ago
@Harvey3rdman
i'm making no decisions. i'm asking you to make the decision.
two male gametes combine to make a young human being. - isn't it a young human being? remember that we're now using descriptive terms to avoid being victims of emotional semantics.
so, is it okay to kill that young human being?
ogunitracy 9 months ago
@ogunitracy I beg to differ. Your intention is to make this decision for others. Other than that there is no point to our discussion. You've already stated that you believe in the subjugation of women, the restriction of sexual freedom and control of reproductive rights which smacks heavily of fascism. Being a 16 yr old male in a male controlled and patriarchal country your views are logical. They are also wrong.
Your question is inflammatory and senseless. I don't make that decision either.
Harvey3rdman 9 months ago
If abortion(expulsion or removal of the human fetus) is not murder, why is a murderer charged with two counts if the woman is pregnant?
JonathanTaylor95 11 months ago
@JonathanTaylor95 That is a very good point. However I think part of this is the intention of the birth mother and how far along the gestation period is. If the mother is further along then 14 weeks and had intended to bring the child into the world the count should stand.
The same question should be raised; If the birth mother is the one who decides to terminate the pregnancy shouldn't they be the targeted by anti-abortionists? In effect they are the murderers and the doctor is the accomplice.
Harvey3rdman 9 months ago
@Harvey3rdman Very good points, the whole issue in my opinion is individual to each person. We all stand in the face of God in the end to anwser for our own life. Peace.
JonathanTaylor95 9 months ago
@JonathanTaylor95 Death is the common denominator of all things earthbound. What awaits us after this life is over is undetermined. If God does exist I will judged by my thoughts and actions. If Hell awaits me I'm sure I will find many who've arrived before me who thought themselves righteous and pious. Peace and love to you as well.
Harvey3rdman 9 months ago
@JonathanTaylor95
haha. i love that one. they probably didn't see their own mistake.
ogunitracy 9 months ago
I like how he got in the back ground ( dummy alert) LOL
jimUkay 11 months ago
It is not possible to make abortion illegal, at the same time as you want property rights (over your body and whats in it). And lets face it; why is it relevant that the fetus would be characterize as a living human being? Do this 'humanbeing' has a choice of not be there? He he he
larsiemannen 1 year ago
@larsiemannen: And even funnier; we could conclude that 'having a baby' is equally to have a slavey in your body, and thus you should be jailed to jail up a humanbeing for 9 months!! lololol..
larsiemannen 1 year ago
@larsiemannen
the fetus growing a woman is not part of her body. Ask a doctor. If it weren't protected, the woman's own cells would attack it and kill it. They would see it as an enemy because it is not one of them. and in having the baby, the woman is the slave, not the baby. she's the one who goes through all the trouble. the baby is just there, getting comfortable.
ogunitracy 9 months ago
@ogunitracy it is protected as long as she wants it. but its still her body, and the fetus is the slave of the mother, cause thats the nature of children in general. Or would you think its wrong to force ur kids to eat vegetables? Principle of ownership would colapse if the fetus is the master of the mother.
larsiemannen 9 months ago
@larsiemannen
i understand you. i really do. but the dictionary defines a baby as
a. A very young child; an infant.
b. An unborn child; a fetus.
c. The youngest member of a family or group.
d. A very young animal.
I just think it is wrong to kill babies. that's all.
i think people refuse to call them babies to justify their killings. they call the babies 'zygotes' even though they are still babies and replace 'kill' with 'terminate' to hide the fact that a human life has been ended.
ogunitracy 9 months ago
@ogunitracy: If its wrong for you it doesnt nescessarly means its wrong to kill the unborn child for another. You errase life, thats true, but we dont have any sign of consciousness, nor is it independent. Isnt this all adulthood is about? Who are you, or others, to claim the right to controll others life, especially when it comes to my kids, or my unborn child? Isnt this claim based on socialistic premise?
larsiemannen 9 months ago
@larsiemannen
i'm not claiming anything. I'm simply saying it's wrong to kill babies. if you think the fact that the baby is so young makes it okay, good for you.
ogunitracy 9 months ago
@ogunitracy "i'm not claiming anything. I'm simply saying it's wrong to kill babies"-Are you really that stupid? You are fond of that bloody dictionary, right?
'Claim'-to assert or maintain as a fact.
'Saying'-to express in words; state; declare; word.
All you do here is make declarative statements and pass judgement while commenting that you are NOT doing those things.
Look up 'imbecile'. See if your picture is next to it. Then try 'convoluted'
"Religion is the opiate of the masses"-MARX.
Harvey3rdman 9 months ago
@Harvey3rdman ...and just because Marx said it ... that ultimately makes it true huh...
DerHammer86 9 months ago
@DerHammer86 No. What makes it seem true is the devout commenting the way they do here as well as other places. People are always stating that drugs make you stupid. Obviously belief in God must be the most potent drug of all.
Harvey3rdman 9 months ago
@Harvey3rdman Also by Marx "We are ruthless and asl no quarter from you. When our turn comes we shall not disguise our terrorism." (addressing the Prussian Government in 1849)
"Karl Marx kept a female slave from the time she was 8 years old, eventually using her not only as a servant but as his mistress, never acknowledging his child with her or paying her at all. ... Like so many liberal icons, Marx seldom bathed and left his wife and children in poverty." Ann Coulter 5/18/2011
mssnrykd 8 months ago
@mssnrykd I don't understand the point of your comment. Is it that you think because someone has done less than admirable [or even seemingly repugnant] deeds in their life it dismisses everything else they ever wrote, said or did?
I find that hard to fathom when you use a quote from a petty, narcissistic pathological liar.
If their is any group in the USA today behaving like terrorists it is Christians. The subject here and my discussions with them only serve to confirm this.
Harvey3rdman 8 months ago
@Harvey3rdman My point was more that he was a hypocrite for complaining about low wages given to other workers when he never paid one of his own. Also, my point in quoting his less famous statement was to show what kind of person he was. Also, I challenge your assertion about ms. Coulter, can you provide any evidence of this?
For my reference on Marx, see Paul Johnson "Intelectuals". I used Coulter's quote b/c it summarizes the entire chapter on Marx well.
mssnrykd 8 months ago
@mssnrykd Your choices for sources of information and quotes taken out of the context of their original format and situation shows how you and Ms. Coulter believe in the method of subterfuge and misinformation to 'win' an argument rather than come to a natural and uplifting conclusion; You learn something.
I will find and send you links to prove Ms Coulter's behavior as petty and narcissistic as well as her compunction for misrepresenting the truth in the future. She's not really blonde, y'know?
Harvey3rdman 7 months ago
@Harvey3rdman "sources of information and quotes taken out of the context of their original format and situation" Which ones of mine exactly?
"She's not really blonde, y'know?" If this is true that would be news to me?
Still not sure why I would take the claims of a random person I don't know on the internet over someone whom I have checked and repeatedly found to be trustworthy. Not infallible, trust worthy.
mssnrykd 7 months ago
@ogunitracy You still do not have the right to make this or any choice for any other human being. You are ill-equipped to care for all of the unborn children you profess to want to save. Since this is true you have no right to force anyone to bring a life into this world. You are great with rhetoric but terrible with logic and understanding. Your arguments are specious and meaningless; They NEVER consider the welfare or situation of the parents or mother. You understand little to nothing.
Harvey3rdman 9 months ago
@Harvey3rdman Were not talking about forcing someone to bring a life into the world (they have already done so), we just want to keep them from taking that life out of this world. As to considering the the welfare/situations of the parents, what about adoption?
mssnrykd 8 months ago
@mssnrykd You're still speaking of forcing them through the gestation period and bringing the life to term based on...what, again? You take a personal decision away from a woman by forcing your will and morals upon her and you see this fascism as the moral high ground. You are confused. And if you read my other comments or my channel you would know my position on bringing life into the world.
I welcome it and will always advise others to help bring life forward. Your attitude does not encourage.
Harvey3rdman 7 months ago
"TILLER the KILLER!"
There, Molotov said it. Short, but not sweet. Sixty THOUSAND innocent, sweet, precious little children murdered!
DrTerminus 1 year ago
TMBrd89 - Possibly .... probably .... nope ..... definitely the stupidest post I have seen. First off, sperm is only half the equation. Actually, first off, let me say that I am pro Choice. Not Pro Abortion like the Pro Choice movement.
Fetuses are born in the 3 trimester ..... every freakin' day. Tiller was a freakin' animal and for the others here feeling bad for his family ..... Hitler had a mother too. Wanna send her flowers?
I feel bad for his kids because he was their father.
ConservativeSteve 1 year ago
A fetus isn't alive, every time a human has sex, 15 millions potential lives are killed. The fact remains the 25% of pregnancies end in natural miscarriage. A fetus can't fell, can't hear, can't think.... because it's brain isn't formed. What's next protect sperm rights?
TMBrd89 1 year ago
@TMBrd89 Under this logic I assume you have no problem with me using puppies as rifle targets.
Reu360 1 year ago
@Reu360 Puppies are fully formed and can live outside of the womb. Apparently you didn't follow the logic properly. Please try again and next time don't try to emotional pleas to sway people. It's just desperate and a waste of valuable time.
TMBrd89 1 year ago
Tiller certainly was a mass murderer, and no matter how you feel about the guy that killed him, you have got to admit that Tiller got what he deserved. With this said, it goes against scripture to carry out punishments that our laws forbid us to do. This, I suppose, is how we can justify killing someone who is about to kill someone else as long as they are not in the womb.
YHWHisSovereign 1 year ago
@YHWHisSovereign I get what you are saying but Tiller wasn't the only person who faced the consequences. This guy had kids and they are going to hear all this stuff about their dead father.
fashionhistorylover 1 year ago
We usually agree, Mitchell, but not on this. As repugnant as his actions were, there is no justice in murder on either side.
mightywombat1 1 year ago
yeah dude i think if you wanna abort your baby you shouldnt wait on it.. because at that point the baby is alive. but republicans are always the ones to kill people because they cant handle their anger. you deal with your anger by looking like an idiot
brainslurper 1 year ago
Does this guy not know about deaths of unborn and just born children? Things beyond any of our control kill unborn children all the time, who is to blame for this? Right we are all sinners and those unborn children brought it on themselves!
You could say they were...
*puts on sunglasses*
dying to be born.
YEEEEEEAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
pink3y 1 year ago
"liberals and conservatives" please... grow up.
Darusdei 1 year ago
Third trimester is something I disagree with unless the mother has very good reasons, such as risk to her own health or the baby was a product of rape or is very ill of its own accord as the baby may suffer. It's all about being humane and before the baby has a nervous system it feels no pain what so ever, and doesnt even know it exists. As an atheist and a vegetarian, i fail to see any reason to put the deaths of unborn children who arent even aware of their existence above those of animals. PO
DickandJiz 1 year ago
We have staked the whole future of American civilization, not upon the power of government, far from it. Weve staked the future of all our political institutions upon our capacityto sustain ourselves according to the Ten Commandments of God. - Benjamin Franklin
July 4th ought to be commemorated as the day of deliverance by solemn acts of devotion to God Almighty. - John Adams
M249SAWzALL 1 year ago
What if a women got raped by her father and got pregnant...raise the child or abortion?
asimonds422 1 year ago
@asimonds422 they have proven statistics that your example is less then a 10th of 1% compared to the regular reasons for having an abortion (such as 'Oops, I fooled around too much, and i don't like having consequences')... and Regardless, how is this the sin of the child?
KOHNAN 1 year ago
I don't know where to start with this video, but I will suggest a change in name to "For the retard"
XXbrianbearXX 1 year ago 2
You can't call abortion "murder" and you can't call a fetus a "baby."
Anyone who does is a liar, a fool, or both.
ricksparks 2 years ago
@ricksparks
You're the fool. You can't call a baby an adult, either. What's your point? A fetus, just like a toddler, is a human organism; a stage in human development. And yes, abortion for non medical reasons is murder. It's premeditated and malicious and it results in a loss of life. Sounds like murder to me.
realnarutoboy 1 year ago
@ricksparks
anyone that would say calling abortion murder, and a fetus a baby makes you a fool liar or both is lying to themselves, which would make them a fool. Once the process of life has begun, it has begun. To ignore that is to ignore reality and logic.
daPlumber702 1 year ago
@daPlumber702
???
So we should force women to breed against their wills?
Not very humane if you aske me.
Fact: An embryo has no neurological system. So if you terminate one, it won't even know it was being discarded.
Fact: The cell composition of a fly's brain has more cells than an embryo does.
Fact: An embryo is just as sentient as a corpse
Fact: you don't know what the hell will happen to that embryo for the nine months it stays in the mother's uterus, making it insane to protect
evilnomad111 1 year ago
@evilnomad111 whoa... who said that. breeding.. and having a baby are two completely different things. We should not let people just have an escape route any time they get themselves in a situation and don't want the responsibility that comes with that situation.
Fact - If you decapitate someone while they're sleeping, and do it fast enough. They'll never know they're being "discarded" But it's still illegal.
Fact - A corpse will not become a baby in 9 months.
daPlumber702 1 year ago
@daPlumber702
Yes, forcing women to gestate. It's unconstitutional. You cannot force a woman to breed if she doesn't want to. What she does with her uterus is her business, not yours.
An embryo doesn't have a neurological system. This is a fact. In order to have the right to life, you must be able to claim it. An embryo has not the ability to do so.
evilnomad111 1 year ago
@daPlumber702 According to you, if there was a burning building and in one room there was a 5 year old girl burning alive, and in the other there was a pitri dish with 6 embryos in them, by your logic, you would save the 6 embryos. So yes, what you are proposing is insane. That sleeping man and the 5 year old have a neurological system, an embryo doesn't. We have the right to life, not POTENTIAL. life. There is a big difference.
evilnomad111 1 year ago
@evilnomad111
Fact - A FLY will not become a baby in 9 months.
Fact - You never know what will happen period. You could start typing a reply to this and your laptop could explode in your face, killing you immediately.. You'd probably never know you'd just been discarded. Wouldn't that make you feel great?
daPlumber702 1 year ago
@daPlumber702
A fly has more neuro pathways than an embryo will ever have. Yes, it will never have the opportunity to become a 9 month old baby, but in that frame of time, more suffering is visited by hitting a fly than discarding an embryo.
And no, I don't know what will happen. Neither will you. You don't know if that embryo will split, or if two will fuse. You don't know if it is going to be a miscarriage or not. So, there is no valid reason to keep the embryo if the mom doesnt want to
evilnomad111 1 year ago
lol, common ground is murder. One tin soldier rides away!
LMGunslinger 2 years ago
My wife is 12 weeks, it has a head, feet, arms etc. it moves. looks like a human to me. has looked like one for a while now. Killing a fetus is murder. Let the woman look at the ultrasounds and hear the heartbeat. if they still want the life dead, then there is no hope for them.
labiologist 2 years ago
Thank God Tiller is dead.
Pagansniper 2 years ago
This is for all the those pro-abort folks. Have you read the testimonials of women who were under George Tiller's care?? He was one of the most brutal, mean, evil men ever to practice medicine. Read and educate yourselves. I have never met a pro-choice person who didn't enjoy being a group of helpless human cells or any stage of their lives. They are never angry at their moms for not aborting them. Collectively they are the most illogical, hypocritical, group of nitwits I've ever met.!!
icimblind 2 years ago
Excellent video. That man made alot of money by killing innocent babies.
Blood money!
In the end, he was aborted.
2000yrCatholic 2 years ago
You are hopeless in understanding the meaning of words and concepts -60000 babies!? They are not babies!!! This is not murdur!!!
dewonthegrass 2 years ago 6
How about this concept, all human life has equal and inviolable dignity and ought not be destroyed for reasons off vanity or convenience.
3rd trimester abortion is murder, might not be under the law but just because turning in Jews to Nazis wasn't illegal, it did not make it morally justifiable.
Human rights for all of humanity!
wood9670 2 years ago
I completely agree with this concept, in your first sentense.
I don't agree with 3rd trimester abortion, unless it is done for medical reasons, to save the mother's life. It is a difficult and risky surgical operation, and I understand dr. Tiller was an expert in that. His killer may have endangered other lives by killing him. You are an intelligent, thinking young man, and I think it is irresponsible of you to compare this to ruining and extinguishing the lives of people with built up lives.
dewonthegrass 2 years ago 3
You should get your concepts clear. In the 1st trimester, when abortions are usually made, the zygote (fertilized egg) and the the foetus, is just a ball of cells, it's not a human being, it's not a baby, nature hasn't invested in it yet. Mistakes happen and the woman should be able to control her own life and body. I am not for abortion, not at all, I am for contraception.
"Human rights for all of humanity!"? Absolutely! But don't let yourself be preyed upon by propaganda like this.
dewonthegrass 2 years ago
1) George Tiller performed 3rd Trimerster abortions. Google image search"third trimester baby" then tell me that Mr. Tiller was not a murderer.
FYI, all human life begins at conception//fertilization.
Even abortion-rights activist have to concede this fact. Now in order to maintain their position their arguments have shifted to person-hood (i.e. person hood is a characteristic that develops sometime after a human being comes into existence)
watch?v=c4MnelFIJr8
Debate
watch?v=LDQlPVoALnk
wood9670 2 years ago 2
Of course it's murder. Kicking around inside you, using the nutrients that you use. It's alive, it has a soul.
earwax12321 2 years ago
uhm.....have you ever SEEN what abortion really DOES? to claim abortion is not murder you must be either blind, ignorant, or plain too scared to look it in the face.
margottelint 2 years ago
The media no longer represents the view of the majority, they just want you to THINK that.
Tiller's murder was wrong in and of itself, but there is nothing good about what those doctors do.
We, as a society, have condoned the sins of all our enemies, past and present.
Killing children - Nazism
Economic domination through taxes - Soviet communism
Demonization of other's thoughts and beliefs - radical Islam (or fanaticism if you want to be more general)
It must change or we're finished.
CrystalHunter1989 2 years ago
bottom line....... this vid is mindless propaganda.
MrLikeapheonix 2 years ago
too true
Gavite 2 years ago
Wow, I did not even know he died, but a little over a year ago I wrote a blog about him saying he should be stopped. Not to sound cruel, but he had it coming.
drifter1robertg 2 years ago 5
WAR=ABORTION!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
blackjet2news 2 years ago
Not upset he is dead! With his death more babies will live. I truly am glad he can no longer kill babies!
dandice2006 2 years ago
This is spoken like a drop pf water, you can see the truth from any angle you look at it.
Abortion is murder, tiller was an assassin for hire.
bazucomen79 2 years ago
Once again, great video can't believe I never found your vids
Krazie316 2 years ago 4
Thanks for this GREAT VIDEO! :)
CrushHomofascism 2 years ago
Thank God Tiller, Hitler, And Stalin are DEAD! :)
Let's pray that ALL abortionists repent or die....SOON!
Thank God for the brave Christian souls who put murderers out of ACTION....
now THAT'S LAW ENFORCEMENT!
USAsoldier1955 2 years ago
One of the best video's I've seen about the Tiller ordeal. You just presented the facts and that was great. Thanks
RANDYandROSEY 2 years ago 13
Yeah, let's all mourn the death of that monster. He got rich by killing helpless and defenseless unborn babies...what a hero. Takes a real man to do what Tiller did. Those that really mourn that murderers death, are just as sick and twisted as he so clearly was.
Lorra41 2 years ago 2
Lorra41 the murder of george Tiller will only hurt the pro-life cause. I could not condone what happened to him because I am a christian. If I grabbed a gun and shot the nearest abortion doctor, then I too would be a murderer.
Guardianoftheunborn 2 years ago
I couldn't agree more. However, I never mourn the death of those that murder the innocent, and I never will.
Lorra41 2 years ago 3
Guardian, I agree with you and you should have a green score rather than red. What people do not understand is that killing Tiller in the long run will end up with a greater number of children murdered than what he alone would have done. The man who killed Tiller may very well end up personally guilty of the deaths of millions due to the set back this has caused the pro-life movement.
zimmerk3 2 years ago
zimmerk3 I dont really understand you reasoning. Tiller was good because he was murderer, but since he is not murdering anymore, there will be more murderers out there, thus Tiller was good? How about not allowing late term abortion at all? That is just pure murder. And I said late term so dont try to twist my words. (the only time it is necessary, is when mother is in danger). An no it wasnt good that he was killed, he should have been facing sentence in court though,.
samuils 2 years ago
Read my post with the words I used, compared to the words you are attempting to force into what I wrote. Please stop twisting my words sir. Tiller was not good. But due to the very negative PR the pro-life movement has received may very well delay the end of legal (as well as illegal) abortions. In the extra time abortion remains legal while we are trying to recover from this damage many many will die, to the tune of over 3,000 per day in this country. Tiller was not anywhere near that number...
zimmerk3 2 years ago
@Lorra41 In a way I agree but remember he was somebody son, brother,etc. It wasn't just him who paid the price his kids lost their father.
fashionhistorylover 1 year ago
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Do pro-deathers support this barbaric act because it produces vast wealth? If late term abortion were performed for free, would that be less wrong? It's NEVER done to save the life of the mother, so are abortions performed by folks who enjoy the act? Or, are they indifferent to this sadism, having no emotion at all when taking a life? Isn't either a psychosis? How does one dismember or dissolve a living human child, without being murderously psychotic, just as a serial killer is?,
iprazhm 2 years ago
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iprazhm 2 years ago
This is a great video...Life is a miracle..Save the babies...Gerard Paul
theprolifeguy 2 years ago 2
5 *****
BuckFarack 2 years ago 4
"and nothing beats the blues than killing your children... RIGHT?" Hahahahah!
ProjectProvidence 2 years ago 3
It says in the bible those will call good evil and evil good, so looking at that guy who murdered all those children as a good person just proves we are in the last days.
BrainScanMedia 2 years ago 5
How appropriate that this sub-human would have a last name that rhymed with his "profession"....."killer". "Tiller the Killer" is right!!! No tears were shed, nor indignation or sorrow felt here for that slime. In my opinion, he didn't die a horrible enough death. The good news is....he will spend ETERNITY reaping the "rewards" of killing 60,000 innocent children.......And that WILLbe horrible enough.
MomOfSRK 2 years ago 3
@MomOfSRK He wasn't the only one who suffered though. He was father and no matter what I can't imagine losing my dad or a mother losing her son.
fashionhistorylover 1 year ago
It's is stupid and naive to think that all abortions where done because the mother was in jeopardy of dying. When a man goes to war in order to save society, does he say "It's my body I can do what ever I want" The mother should just off her self and let the baby live.
icemilitia 2 years ago
I understand how abortions can sometimes save the life of the mother, but a point very few seem to make on the side of pro-life (which they should) that if the mother and child have survived to the third trimester, and the mother is in danger, why can't you perform a c-section or induce early labor and then try to save the infant instead of an abortion? I mean, come on--it's coming out anyway. The main difference is whether or not you decide to suck out its brains first.
Rowennag 2 years ago
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ajc1892 2 years ago
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The topic of abortion is to complex for me to comment on. I mean look at it this way the baby is a parisite on the female host.
Then I could look at it as the baby is a living being that is only for a shot time inconveniencing the host.
Yet is it an intelegent being? Does the qualification of right to life apply to all beings?
I don't know what side to agree with. So I believe it's up to the local comunity to decide what is the right choice. Even that belief has problems.
davincij15 2 years ago
I think that fornicators who hold that aborting the unborn is O.K. are parasites sucking the blood of our culture and weakening it.
I think the fellow who killed Tiller is a hero who actually stood up for what he believed in; rather than just calling abortion murder, he reacted as if it were, and defended the innocent.
RighteousPaladin 2 years ago
That didn't give his cause a better image now, did it?
ilieklolcatz 2 years ago
I'm not concerned with image, only individual actions.
RighteousPaladin 2 years ago
If you believe an eye for an eye that's fine. I don't. That's why I support local states setting the laws of capital punishment and abortion, not the federal government.
There is so many of us with different beliefs and opinions it's not freedom to inflect every single complex issue on everyone.
Thus state