Bekijk de Noorderlicht-aflevering 'Killing Time'

[frogface66]

Its interesting to think of time as a series of now's but if that is so why do they appear to be set in a linear fashion that makes sense to us and not just scattered? Why is it that a now from what i perceive as last year doesn't jump in to a now that will happen next in my series of now's?

[gieterrr]

How can time be nonexistant? If I roll a ball in the direction of another ball, impact occurs. There is a direct reason for this to happen, namely the laws of nature. Everything is predictable because of these laws, I can't just suddenly teleport to Afghanistan without reason. Time plays an important role in all physical processes, and without it the universe would not even exist. I can understand the idea of infinite possibilities, but transfer between one 'now' and the other is never unlogical

[sumolinuxuser]

@gieterrr

Time is just what we measure it as: if you roll the ball, does time get invoked once it begins rolling, or at impact? According to you, it just exists: like the Aether of old. But if time exists always, can you not just eliminate it from the equation? When force is applied, you know the moment it happens and you can show through math what its existence will do to an object and 'how long' it will take for the force to be spent, but 'how long' is just mans measurement.

[Fapsamup]

The man is actually a poet the way he looks at the universe with his pictures and the picture he took from all his pictures. It was an interesting metaphor. :-) He is a quantum poet.

[Confuzer]

Will we ever find the N in the function we live in? Will we find the smallest step and think, our science isn't good enough. Will we discover it all, and never know? And if the N is the now... what is it? Is it the ribosome walking the dna... is it the reality-creator walking a function until and infinite entropy? The only thing I still think is that there is no chance, I think everything is predictable, we just don't understand the quantum model yet. But when we do, I predict predictability.

[Confuzer]

Wonderful! I came to the same idea without ever seeing this :) Good to see more people think alike. Never though about movement as an illusion too, time for another reflection :)

[boeboedada22]

true what you tell,had NDE and experienced the eternal NOW,there is nothing else,so ENJOY!

[zentibs]

Very true, this is great.

[benbennit]

Very interesting. I studied physics and it just makes sense, it is simply understanding what we perceive as time.

Seems to tie in with the many worlds interpretation.

[Razzics]

James Cromwell

[Lee68Perry]

This theory is in the foundation of the Yi quan kung fu.

''All truth and action occur in Shunjian, the split second of now. Everything before and after this moment is 'Wu', the Void, and thus, uncontrollable or unknowable. ''

-from wikipedia

[zazeify]

He's a scientist, and therefore is bound by the rules of science, which is how it should be. But methinks he "suspects" that time doesn't exist, and doesn't "know" time doesn't exist. In other words he hasn't experienced timelessness (eternity).

I hope he can show mathematically the non-existence of time. It would be more important a discovery than all others combined. it just might free humanity for the next chapter of our destiny.

[martinet17]

@zazeify Very right you are here! greetings RADIOMARTINET

[TheOltimate]

Is killing time the only kill option, assumed one has decided to become a killer?

What about killing matter?

The uncertainty principle causes spacetime to do wild bends and curves, but not all these configurations are allowed. Some of these forbidden configurations form kind of traps that stabilize certain types of spacetime curvatures - an illusion of matter. If there is nothing that moves within spacetime and can define a reference frame, there are no problems associated with that concept.

[TheOltimate]

Maybe the string theorists mix up cause and effect.

Maybe it's not:

Particles are string-shaped, thus spacetime can't collapse.

But:

Spacetime isn't allowed to collapse, thus string-shaped structures form.

[Ewochable]

@TheOltimate Yes, but the stringtheory (haven't read any, nor higher physics) seems to explain WHY spacetime doesn't/cannot collapse, where as the "upside-down-theory" seems to establish a much more complex fact (spacetime AND it's mysterious inability to collapse) to explain why superstrings are formed - also, the law by which they are formed are not thus formulated. So, I stick with the brainiacs. Hehe.

[sumolinuxuser]

@Ewochable

The mike theory explains that string theory cannot exist unless i make up 26 dimensions of imaginary things. In other words, string theory uses imaginary things to explain things that string theory needs to explain but cannot without invoking the imagination...

[nickharvey7]

We have the Lorentz contraction of the geometry of spacetime relative to the mass or energy of an object therefore time must be a measurement and a variable. Could it not be possible that at smaller and smaller distances and shorter and shorter time scales this variable could also be the Hidden Variable of quantum physics? Could this explain randomness at the quantum level?

[etiennealive]

@nickharvey7 Maybe in the context of this subject, it's interesting to see ; Ted Amsterdam Wubbo Ockels (on Youtube).

[nickharvey7]

@etiennealive Thanks! I found Wubbo Ockels very interesting. I do not totally agree with his views time must also be linked to light and the geometry of spacetime. The observer is only forming his own spacetime geometry because he is a physical object. If he died the process of time would continue it would only be his own spacetime geometry that would come to an end.

[etiennealive]

@nickharvey7 Interesting, so the NOW could remain intact in a different (for us smaller) state.. . Without time you also don't have the problem of needing a begin or end. It's just there as it is, and it's changing shape.

And the exotropic effect is ; creating more dense compact (smaller) clusters of information wich can perceive the other information which lighs in it's expanding cosmological horizon. And can create new even smaller, more dense clusters of information.

[sokseb]

@etiennealive eckhart tolle has an interesting explanation for this. Basically, you can "think" and conceptualize these things all you want. But until you experience "being in the now", first hand you can't really "know" what it's about. It's not really logical, when you stop thinking and simply observe, look around, without the heavy load of thought at the same time, you will be "free of time".

[etiennealive]

@sokseb This is a good remark you make, a very good one indeed. When you visit my channel, you'll see that I think in the same line like you do. I didn't make the link that direct though, like you do now. View my favorites and play lists, so you can see that it's in the line of expectations for me to think like you told me now. Thank you very much, this could open the door towards !

[etiennealive]

@sokseb Ok than whatch ; "TEDx Amsterdam Wubbo Ockels" He makes a connection in how you experience time and disregard the acceleration, connected with the neurological state of the brain. This concept is getting more and more interesting.

[nickharvey7]

Even a still photograph will have a position in space and time and we have time dilation when an object accelerates towards the speed of light represented by the Lorentz Factor. Is it not possible that atoms and therefore objects form their own spacetime geometry?

[tube4625]

makes no sense what he is saying; it is as if he has a condition called split personality.

[wolbol13]

But what if time does exist? Maybe there's something around us we can't see, can't feel and can't touch, because our human brains are too weak to notice such things.... Maybe there's something that explains what time is and why time exist.

[martinet17]

Looking carefullly to time and then realizing that it is standing still outside you, letting space prevail conceiving the world as a constellation. Realizing that everything is in position, at that moment you see no real movement. A truely stereoscopic phenomenon. How i see it ...

Martin van den Oever

[KarelvanD]

I like the theory and its very well worked out, but what I don't get is how it leads to the conclusion that time does not exist....just because its derived from "changing circumstances" does not mean it does not exist. A derivative is existant all the same, or am I missing a point here? Also the fact that nothing can happen before "the origin" points at a beginning (the theoretic framework having 'a beginning' again implies time being used in one of its definitions).

[SentientBeyondDesign]

I've tried to make sense of this. It just recently dawned upon me today, while thinking about time-travel, that this could be the case. For some reason, I am inclined to believe it is true, yet it is difficult to put into perspective for some. The concept is very out there, extremely expansive and even ludicrous to many. I think that for you to be able to mathematically prove this theory, you would have to snag a value from the universe that is excluded from the affects of time.

[SentientBeyondDesign]

If you were to isolate said value, an unchanging all consuming variable, and put it up against what we perceive to be time. Then one could argue that this passage we believe in, this flow or history; for all intents and purposes, is merely a mirage. That it is simply a measurement of change. With the key variable, we could show that despite all we believe to have 'happened', nothing has truly changed. In regards to everything occuring in the same instance.

[SentientBeyondDesign]

That for all the epochs and eras, for all the eons and historical occurences, we have not moved even an iota's worth in distance away from the instance in which the universe was conceived. I believe this would subsequently provide irrefutable evidence.

[schlegelt]

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@SentientBeyondDesign

Maybe timetravel already excists if you would see pre-cognition and OBE's (astral projection) as such.

[upgrade01a]

we are only capable of thinking and perceiving time from past to future because the psychological arrow of time must point in the same direction as the thermodynamical arrow of time. We must eat organized energy for our brains to process information. In turn, our brains give off waste heat (entropy must increase). The same goes for a computer

[etiennealive]

Although this goes pretty far, it also sounds kind of logic.

[garywpearson1955]

Fascinating.

But, is it something that one can prove or disprove? Are there possible experiments that one may come up with that would allow us to distinguish the validity of these arguments? In other words, is this a philosophy or really physics? Not that philosophical views arent valid in and of themselves, of course.

[cervelliber]

It seems it is like religion. If time or god exist or do not exist nothing changes practicaly. Yes, religion will change ones daily beahaving and many thing but not the world.

As it is putted here: what the difference if time exhist or not ? Why should one care about it ?

[JohnKarlson]

Time is more a psychological reality than anything else. The linearity of the concept becomes unuasable the further we remove ourselves from our normal day to day consciousness.

When faced with different worlds our minds create different concepts to facillitate survival.

All this becomes crystal clear after dropping acid.

[SecretsofCollege]

Amazing concept, and very obvious when you think about it. Time is constructed by man, it is not a universal law. Saying time is a universal law is like saying that the combustion engine is a law of the universe because it is convenient for humans.

[davehooke1973]

A law (in physics) is a generalized (and mathematical) description of how certain specified entities (abstract and physical) are related.

"Time" is not a law, but "t=d/v" (time elapsed=distance/velocity) is.

[msives]

Ekhart Tolle says exactly the same thing in 'the power of now'

He came to his conclusion through a spiritual awakening rather than physics and maths.

[pebruary]

The 'sound' is not very loud.

[w7mjr]

Oh, some people who've arrive here might be interested in the somewhat technical conference from Perimeter Institute on time and quantum theory. Julian Barbour is one of the speakers.

[notToast]

where can i find that

[w7mjr]

This web link should take you to the seminar mentioned above. Lots of other cool stuff in the archive as well. Web link pirsa . org / C08023

[notToast]

hey thanks for the link

[grnpoop]

I believe that we are all the manifestation of a thaught from an infinite source of wisdom and knowledge. Hence, the transformation of energy into matter, which is expressed through E=mc2 and mc2=E, which returns us back to our natural state.

[w7mjr]

This is not as crazy as you might think...REALLY!!! Many of the contemporary theories of physics and cosmology could reduce to a Platonian configuration (many-worlds [MWI], eternal inflation, block space, etc., etc.). This is a product of real foundational physics and has application in quantum gravity. The proof will be in the pudding of proving these Nows, time capsules, and records. Stay tuned. This is cutting-edge physics --- yet strangely, the ideas aren't that new at all.

[stargate669]

dude time is just a human concept for something that doesn't exist. Infact, you will find there is an interesting relationship between what you call linear time and electromagnetism as it effects gravity. Einstein presumed gravity was a constant in concluding time dilation but time is actually 3 dimensional and what you see in this reality is linear.

[w7mjr]

I'm not sure if this is a reply to me or the video, but note that I never said anything about time being linear, mentioned gravity, or supposed whether or not time is a fundamental property of nature. The experience of a phenomena we call time seems real enough no matter what the underlying source.

As far as 3d time, an interesting hypothesis. Do you have anything to support it?

Cheers.