on average our pilots have more flying hrs. and iraq had a formidable military, it was not easy for the US to take them out. and of course with nato, we are not a rogue nation running around, plus america has its limits, at least our airforce is composed of american made aircraft, india buys its crap from russia isreal etc, hell russia was the main developer of the t-50, so make your own stuff- then boast. the little tejas does not count.
@rohawkcc Please dont talk non sense, 3 years ago a USAF pilot mentioned Su-30MKI pilots do 300 hours a year compared to their own 250 hours. Iraq had a formidable military in what sense?? Total invasion force 1100269 against 375000 Iraqi force? Over 10 nations attacking Iraq? India just start to buy craps from your country not from Russia,Israel,France or England. What you got? Hollywood gimmicks about your worst army. Money is the player for US not technology.
@rohawkcc We make stuff that we are capable of, and stealing or copying like US. Any idea how many Soviet/Russian,European,Israeli,Japanese technology-equipment were stolen by US? What about your first rocket? atom bomb? German brain!!
USAF isn't here for "accepting" challenges.We aren't playing any games here. USAF would beat the living shit outa your pussy IAF anytime.So please take that crap somewhere else.As Col. saying in the video..Your airforce is retarded and thats why you guys got RAPED by Pakistanis in your previous air wars in 60s/70s. F-15 SEs fully loaded and equipped with American pods,missiles,jammers,radars etc would thrash your Su-30s anytime.
He dont know anything about Su-30MKI and IAF. He just pissed off cause IAF scored amazingly well against US F-15s and F-15s were unable to find Mig-21 Bison.
And FOD, Fernoff bluffing like a school boy. Is there any US aircraft able to survive Rajasthan airfield(sand field)? but Su-30MKI. AL-31FP engines, India has manufactured AL-31 engines with TV nozzles under license at the Nasik plant (Hindustan Aeronautics Limited).
"Today there are only two types of fighter aircraft. Stealth fighters and targets." Tom Clancy. Deal with it. By the way, NO F-15 has every lost in air-to-air combat. To anyone or anything, with anyone flying it. Deal with it. When the Russian stuff has the kind of record the F-15s do, I'll eat my keyboard. Deal?
Somebody should tell this cartoon to read some stats before standing and delivering a lecture, poor guy doesn't know that the raptor is heavier and more huge than su-30. And who are those drunk guys making pesky sounds in the background, this video is just bullshit, absolute US propaganda! Don't waste your precious time people!
This man has no damn idea what he is saying, total rubbish! Su-30 MKI:- Empty weight 18,400 kg Loaded weight 24,900 kg Thrust/Weight Ratio 1.1 F-22 Raptor:- Empty weight 19,700 kg Loaded weight 29,300 kg Thrust/Weight Ratio 1.08 F-22 raptor is heavier than Su-30 by every definition of the word heavy, how come the su-30 sinks and falls out of the sky doing post-stall maneuver while the raptor doesn't fall. It is absolutely rubbish and illogical. Go on bro, u r not fooling anybody except urself
@MrGabam Go do the actual math yourself and you'll see that thrust:weight ratio with afterburner, on a loaded aircraft is 1.07 for the SU-30 and 1.08+ for the F-22. That is with the lowball figure of 35000 lbf.
In any case, his point isn't t:w, it's a matter of how snapping around with TVC bleeds speed. If you watched the video you'd hear that he notes this is why 'legacy' fighters fared well against the SU-30; they had experience dogfighting with F-22s that used the same TVC tactics.
@vnlk65n So a difference of 0.1 thrust/weight ratio makes u fall out of the sky, u seem as logical and rational to me as the man giving lecture in this video. ur second point, he says that TVC bleeds speed, yeah all right, it is ok. But no my friend, the cartoon in the video says that only su-30 loses considerable speed in TVC and falls out of the sky not the great f-22 raptor. Because according to his American biased rational, f-22 is lighter and smaller than su-30, lack of grey matter!!!!
@MrGabam Nobody said it makes you fall out of the sky. Using conjecture like that is just a bunch of bullshit.
Watch from 8:00 onwards, and watch it again and again until it gets through to you that hes talking about both the F-22 and SU-30MKI when he talks about the loss of speed in TVC.
And who are you to say hes wrong? He was present at the exercises where US pilots beat Indian pilots in SU-30MKIs! Results speak for themselves.
@vnlk65n They beat Indian su-30 mki's because their pilots were good and experienced, while Indians were not, this cartoon says that himself. That doesn't mean f-15's and f-16's were better than su-30mki's, got the point! And secondly, you seriously lack grey matter. The cartoon says that against the raptors when they were post stall maneuvering, the f-15's would go vertical and then get a shot on the raptor from above while the raptor was turning with tvc, and could not go vertical with f-15
@vnlk65n And he says that this is the only chance f-15's and f-16's have against the raptor. Then he speaks the same thing about su-30, saying that in su-30's case, the f-15's and f-16's don't even have to go vertical and the su-30 is big aircraft, huge craft, and falls out of the sky, so the f-15 and f-16 have to pull the stick a little bit and then drill su-30's brains out. These are the cartoon's words. You not only lack grey matter, my friend your listening skills are also not working.
@vnlk65n su-30 is lighter than f-22, with equal thrust to weight ratio, and TVC. But su-30 falls out of the sky and sinks, while the heavier f-22 doesn't sink and stays in the air just becuase it is an American aircraft. I don't know what to do, laught at this cartoon, or feel for him. And there are cracks like you in this world who support this non-sense, wake up! You and this cartoon are foolishly in love with their country, but I am not, I believe in logic and facts!
@MrGabam I'm not American, to clarify, I don't have personal stake in the argument.
The reason the F-15 and F-16 don't have to use the exact same maneuvers against the SU-30MKI as the F-22, is probably because the SU-30MKI is still essentially a 30 year old airframe, while the F-22 has had the benefit of all the modern computing to design an airframe that is highly maneuverable even before TVC- turn rate of 28 degrees/sec sustained vs 22 degrees/sec sustained.
@vnlk65n So u r not american, u r canadian, no essential difference. And please don't tell me f-22 is aerodynamically superior to sukhoi planes, it is accepted all over the world that sukhoi's are the best design, that's just your thinking. And that turn rate, I believe, is with the help of TVC. If you say I am wrong, then show me some reference where it says f-22 has that turn rate without TVC.
@MrGabam No, it is not accepted all over the world that the Su-27 airframe is still the best design. It was extremely competitive with its peers- the F-15, F-18 and F-16. That was in the 70s. Think about how far computer modelling technology has come since then. Do you think a 1970s era Formula 1 car would be competitive with a modern one if you put a modern engine, drivetrain and tires on it? No.
Whether it uses TVC or not isn't really important- it is sustained and thus not post-stall.
@vnlk65n U are absolutely wrong, su-27's airframe is not competitive to f-15,16, and f-18, it outclasses them all hands up, it humiliates them, the maneuvers that it performs are out of the reach of the teen series fighters. That's the reason f-22 was developed, infact, f22 has been inspired by su-27, as far as maneuverability is concerned, imagine those cobra maneuvers etc.
@MrGabam If it outclassed them all, you wouldn't see F-15/16/18s beating them in wargames! If there is any humiliation to go around, it would be going to the Sukhoi design bureau for having their fighters beaten by these "inferior" American designs, right?
Trying to suggest that computer modelling from the 70s is even remotely comparable to today is flat out ignorant.
@vnlk65n Man u r running out of grey matter now, gradually! Which war games are you talking about man, which f-15,f-16,f-18 or f-14 beat su-27's, in which war? For your kind information, US and it's allies have never faced su-27's, they only faced mig-29's in gulf war, not su-27's. And besides, it's against the reputation and might of USA to claim those handicapped Iraqi mig-29's, flown by those foolish arab pilots, who couldn't really utilize the machine they had.
@vnlk65n It was never plane vs. plane fight in that war, it was an advanced airforce with awacs and other technologies vs. those handicapped mig-29's, now don't tell me those mig-29's were as good as the ones in russian airforce. Iraqi pilots were never a match for the USAF pilots. Had USAF pilots been facing Russian pilots, with equal awacs support and fully functional mig-29's, the result would have been quite different. Don't forget korean war soviet pilots vs. usaf pilots, and the results.
@vnlk65n And your second point, computer technology has changed alot since 1970, yeah u right. But f-22 mainframe is not a 2000 year design, it is 80's design, or maybe early 1990's, that time computer technology had not changed a hell alot!
@vnlk65n You may say that f-22 may match the sukhoi's in airframe design, but to say that it is better than them, then it shows how ignorant and biased u r. And don't give me that computer modelling shit thing, it even existed when the teen series fighters were being developed, then why the hell those airframes lagged behind the sukhoi's, which were designed in the Soviet union with not much of computer technology.
@vnlk65n And computer technology is available with the russians as welll nowadays, so imagine people who could do wonders without computers, what they could do when computer technology is available.
@vnlk65n And a humble suggestion to you people, why are you people so biased? Come on man, the world has changed, people can differentiate between facts and nonsense. Loving your country doesn't mean talking nonsense, and this goes to Indins as well who took part in that exercise. But to a thrid party person like me, your biasedness makes you seem foolish and ignorant, just like the man in the video, and the other drunkards laughing in the background.
IAF learnt many lessons from theses red flag excersizes...and IAF has already made many changes in its air combat stratigeys...soo the next red flag is realy goin to be intrusting...
@rewant911 Bro dont need another Red Falg to show our Air Force capabilities... We already did. The video is nothing but a Desperate USAF attempt to cover their pathetic loss against IAF by a shameless piece of Ignorant crap in USAF. Even USAF lately apologized for this Fernoff Drama...
@JineshJK he apologized for shining light on the truth about their shitty airforce dude. welcome to reality. the IAF went against the most well funded, armed and trained airforce in the world. why do you think all these videos started to spread like viruses? to cover up the truth. and Fernoff is just chill, having a good laugh at their expense. he apologized for being "unprofessional" the Indians were just butt hurt n wanted to bitch lol
@rohawkcc "their shitty airforce dude". IAF went against most well funded and armed only airfore in the world not trained. USAF pocess and shares 'all over the world invasion experience(over weak nations)' with NATO. First learn how to fight alone, then boast. We dont need any certificate from illiterate US media groups. Your so called well trained well armed force with F-15s ADVANCED RADRS!!! missed our small much older Mig-21 Bisson, even in close range. hmm Fernoff knows everything.
@JineshJK though dont get me wrong, i will ackwnoledge the indian's military legitimacy, i will refuse to say they are on the same level as the united states (military tech wise). maybe things will change in the future, where india may be on top. who knows. but Fernoff just pointed out areas where the IAF could use some polishing. unlike the pakistani airforce which is def, worse off.
@rohawkcc Dont get me wrong too, Fernoff bluff like a child advice to him - at least behave like a professional. Do you know anything about IAF or Su-30MKI?? Probably NO, thats why you still supporting him. I didnt mention anything like IAF is stronger and bigger than USAF, but our pilots, their professionalism, and mainly our fighter Su-30MKI.. dont underestimate. Fernoff didnt even participated in 2008 Red Flag. Do you really think thats the manners of USAF official press meeting??!!
@JineshJK Get real, he's a fighter pilot talking to other fighter pilots. He's not going to put things diplomatically, he's going to tell them like they are.
@Nater245689 no diplomacy expected, but common sense. "Tumansky engine, FOD problems, take off delays, engine repair in Russia"!! And i dont think that "he is a fighter pilot! änd talking to other USAF fighter pilots", if yes, then thats so pathetic for USAF!!!
@souro19 um? what happened? the F-117 finally got shot after ONE THOUSAND missons over heavy guarded airspace, and oh the MiG-29 got shot down by the Dutch F-16...
@souro19 The MiG-21 bison did get a single kill at red flag, there is alot of diffrence because the bis has a comparable f-16 radar, and the Indians only had their veterans at red flag, when they later had exercises with normal pilots, they lost greatly the F15 was undefeated.
The F-22 actually won with zero losses against Su-30MKI at red flag...
@souro19 stop with the capslock thing. you are an idiot, even when i take my time to politely respond. i could just be a troll and say shit like you. India cant make aircraft, they suck big time. + the Su-30 is not stealthy since it will have to carry external weapons. Radar is better on the F-22. the Indians should get the Irbis-e if they want to compare.
@souro19 The Su-30 sucks compared to the F-22. There is no such thing as a "Anti stealth RADAR" it is just a powerfull L-band radar... geez your a troll.
3. The behaviour of the MKI in thrust vectoring is incorrectly described. Maybe someone who has actually flown against the MKI can do better justice, provided it’s an honest and unbiased assessment.
4. The IAF sustained operations 20000km away from home and had the least dropout rate. Prudence demands that safety procedures be adopted to enhance operations; could the engine operations be viewed against this backdrop?
@Spartan9567 SU30MKI have a russian made engine..therefore it have a weak engine,russian fighter jet engine are not on par with u.s fighter jet engine..even if it have a powerful engine like F22,its gonna be same problem..the man in video describe how to engage F22 which also have a more powerful engine,he says if F22 do one of those post-stall maneuvers..you go vertical n roll back down for a gun kill..just watch starting from 8:30.
1. To say the USAF had the better of the IAF in 1vs1 needs to be substantiated. Since all exercises were with ACMI maybe the USAF would like to substantiate this claim of 'drilling brains out' and 'we dominated' with ACMI recordings.
2. The USAF had similar number of fratricide during the exercise as the IAF. Considering they are fully networked with datalink, IFF Mode 4 etc. which is a greater cause of concern? IAF fratricides or USAF fratricides?
well in truth,the su-30mki's were directed nt to use their irbis radars due to its classified nature.also f22 is hot only once it has nt been spotted,bt in a close fight its nt worth its cost.lastly the animated effort of this douche-bag colonel is d evidence of what he actually faced in red flag 08.
@karatekaization if a well trained u.s pilot in a f-15 ass-rape a more agile t-vectoring su-30mki,imagine what a t-vectoring capable f-22 flown by a well-trained u.s pilot could do to su-30mki n 3d t-vectoring capable t-50..its not even funny if you think about it..the f-22 would ass-rape any jet now n in the future if flown by well trained u.s pilots,look at korea war n vietnam war,russia migs in those wars were more agile than u.s sabres n phantoms,but u.s jets still have better kill ratio.
d americans may hv bettr technology..bt indians hv bettr pilots...so evn wen u hv f22 raptor or tomcat or sumthn its ur pilot whoz gonna make d difference...india proved dat by using folland knots against pakis who used sabre n won against them..n porkis still think they won against india LOL...
@alexzanderjon india have better pilots..LOL..india pilots are good,but not great as u.s pilots,u.s pilots have experience in lessons learned from ww2,korea,vietnam n the persian gulf war..sure india beat u.s at copa india 2004,but india pilots face less experience u.s pilots at copa india..at red flag 2008,the experience level were the same like what this man said..guess what..u.s f-15's just dominate su-30mki,this proves having thrust-vectoring doesnt automatically guarantee you victory.
Why you guys just cant admit that F22 is the best fighter plane on earth so far...Just look at the amount of money and time developing one.... Just face it.....Blah Blah Blah.....
I don't understand why they are comparing the Sukhoi 30 MKI to the F22 Raptors. Isn't the SU 30 an 4th gen aircraft upgraded to 4.5 gen by HAL? Whereas the F22 is a 5th gen aircraft.
Correct me if I'm wrong. Also I think a good comparison would be between the F22 and the PAK T50 which as far as I know is still being tested.
1) Headline on the first page, in H1 type: "Mr. Smith fucks a sheep!"
2) Week later, on fifth page, in fine print: "Information that it was a sheep Mr. Smith fucked was not entirely true. We sincerely apologise for the inconvenience".
3) Month later, Mr. Smith being a sheep-fucker is a "common knowledge" amongst 95% of populace.
Anyone who says he is not is "brainwashed by commie propaganda".
You get the idea behind this completely FAKE "debriefing" video?
pakistan has a brilliant history in defeating the indian air force learn india go back to school bring your fuckin russian migs we pakistanis also have a very good record of shooting down russian jets over afghanistan in 1980
u american suck nd the officer inthis vid is a mother fucker cause if he had the guts he should hav had a dog fight with his f -16 with our su 30 that would hav fucked his american mother so hard that he would nver hav the guts to give brifing about the indian air force .
Quit bitching about it. Modern US fighters vs Modern Indian fighters will end with US victory any day. And if Russia wasnt making weapons for you this would've been a complete joke.
listen mr america if ur america makes things its not ur brain power they need our indain brains nd to prove that go nd search that what % of ur great american scientist work in NASA u ill be suprised 2 know that it is 60-40 nd 40 is for u.
nd listen it was india who found that moon has water nd not ur great america
Unfortunately everything you said was completely irrelevant.. Quit believing that the whole world hates Indians and you may realize that the guy in the video was joking. Patriotism is great, but after being cussed out by several people over the same topic im starting to think this is just a maturity issue. If Indian Americans are doing well then that is wonderful.. but the fact is that the Indian military relies heavily on technology from other countries.
@14amritanshu LoL. The scientist, who work in NASA are Americans. Their ancestry may have been from India, however they were either born in the US or have become natural Citizen off.
If they were Scientist from India then they would be making planes for IAF not working at NASA.
@Politactic Yes, you are right. If an Indian-American invents something revolutionary its an American innovation. Same for Einstein(German-American),Nikola Tesla(Serbian-American),etc and their innovations.
Firstly why is he comparing the Su30MKI with the F22 Raptor anyways? The Su30 is at least half a generation legacy to F22. The IAF is getting the PAK FA to compete with the F 22. Secondly his statement has been disowned by the USAF and he himself apologized. Finally India doesn't really expect to be in a coalition with the US. India has generally been non aligned to any country or coalition whereas US foreign policy has historically favored Pakistan a flawed decision according to me.
Well technically the Su-30MKI is half a generation past the F-16's and F-15's that it was flown against, so the F-22 comparison was fair (albeit a bit cocky)
I couldn't agree more with you about the F 22 being superior to the Su 30 MKIs in stealth which would probably win the day for it. But this guy keeps saying how the F 22 can beat the Su 30 MKI which is not the point, the Su 30 is not comparable to it. And like I said the touted virtual adversary to the F22 is the PAK FA and not the Su 30 MKI.
he only really made a direct comparison once.. the other times he compared them because the US pilots gained experience against TVC aircraft when they flew against it. And TECHNICALLY the adversary of the F-15's and F-16's were the Su-27 and Mig-29.. the Su-30mki came along like 30 years later.
He keeps comparing the two aircraft through out his lecture and also refers to how the Raptor can kill the MKI in combat (a claim that I do not dispute in BVR combat). Also the Su 30 MKI airframe is based on the Su 27 which is as old as the "teens", as far as the avionics and armaments etc. are concerned the latest F-16E/F Block 60 and the latest F 15 (can't remember the block) are comparable. TVC being the major difference, the Ruskies mastered it before us can't blame them for it.
His comparisons only show his experience is combating aircraft with TVC. And even so, i dont see how his claims are any worse or more patriotic than the IAF's claims that they have dominated every war games competition they have been it. Either way you look at it the IAF blew this thing way out of proportion.
also the USAF doesnt use the F-16 E/F or the newest F-15Ks... The Su-30 is from the same era as the F-22, the F-22 is just way better..
As far as the Russian supply of arms to India is concerned. India has constantly been denied technology by the US through no fault of her own, being a well known non-proliferator. Where as the US decided to supply technology and fund the military expansion of Pakistan for several decades. Considering that the country bankrupted by the Raj got independence 60 years ago and had to combat poverty and the pangs of nation building in a volatile neighborhood I'd say it has utilized what it got.
@mikeplay007 That's called projection when you are in reality gay yourself and see someone you're attracted too. Sorry, I'm pretty sure he's married to a woman, I guess it's just you and your dildo again
@mikeplay007 Again dude, that's projection. Sorry mikeplay, I will not participate in a vodka infused gay sex orgy with you. Then again if russia is as homophobic and anti Semitic as the army of russian yters make it sound, no wonder the US is so much more successful than russia.
It's absolutely shamefull the way these US Americans bash and make fun of the Indians and the SU-30MKI. Just hear them! Typical US behaviour that they brag and show arrogance when they win but when they lose wich happened on several different occasions since 1992 against MIg-29 and SU-27
they keep it quiet!! Hypocrites!
This arrogant behaviour is also the reason why the US lost battles and wars.
It's time that Russian pilots visit Red Flag to whipe those arrogant smiles off their faces!
Not achieving the initial goals in Vietnam and leaving is losing. Just like the Soviets did in Afghanistan. Vietnam is a proud country with happy people. They know that they won the Vietnam war.
You clearly don't know anything about Vietnam War.
US military did it's job which was to defend South Vietnam from being taken over by North. Only when peace treaty was signed did North taken over South and US was already gone. The failure of that war was political not militarily. Plus ARVN sucked ass.
The US failed at protecting South Vietnam. The fact that South and North Vietnam became one country again only proves that the US should have stayed out of it in the first place.
Nope. US military succeeded in protecting South Vietnam while they were there. You seem to not be able to differentiate between military and politics. Politics is what caused the withdrawal of troops.
The fact that Vietnam is a shitty communist country proves that US should have stayed and won the war, even if domino theory was wrong.
Either we should have stayed out or gone all in. It wasn't our war. South Vietnam ask for help so we did.
U.S. Secretary of State Henry Kissinger wrote in a secret memo to President Gerald Ford that "in terms of military tactics, we cannot help draw the conclusion that our armed forces are not suited to this kind of war. Even the Special Forces who had been designed for it could not prevail."[191] Even Secretary of Defense Robert McNamara concluded that "the achievement of a military victory by U.S. forces in Vietnam was indeed a dangerous illusion."
Because they were fighting not only a bigger army the NVA but guerrilla warfare experts the VC too. Yes soldiers trained for conventional war are not suited to fight against guerrillas. However I stand by my statement that the failure overall was not the US military's fault. And US was not the only country involved, there were many.
Good to hear that. People from all countries have different views about their own country wich is fine. The world would be a boring place if we would all think alike. ;-)
so 3 million people being killed for a war that was pointless, wasnt enough.
Vietnam is doing well, what would it be like if the US didnt killed 1/3 of its population. in what way did Vietnam deserve the kind of destruction that we brought to it. did the country attack the us. did it threaten America or its allies. maybe the US should not fight French wars of colonization. not only was it brutal and ignorant, but also foolish. American gains nothing from those types of wars.
do you know how south Vietnam was created and why. look I dont want to be rude to you, you seem very nice, but you seem to be ignorant of history. maybe its the school system, or maybe its the media and the narrowing of debate and criticisms. Most of the people that died were from south Vietnam, most of the bombs were dropped on the south. Huge acts of terrorism and genocide on the US side, for what. And was Vietnam a democracy. no one informed can come to your conclusions about the war.
Vietnam is a shitty communist country? Thanks for proving your complete ignorance. The place is doing better than most of South East Asia, including many non-communist countries in the area. The US could have stayed for another decade and would still have lost. An invasion of the north was not militarily or politically feasible and without it, there was no way to ever achieve a lasting impact.
Except the US military did no such job. The stated goals of the US in Vietnam was to ensure the long-term existence of South Vietnam by completely eliminating the North as a threat. This did not happen. The failure was military, as the US forces never managed to achieve any kind of strategic victory. Not to mention that Vietnam utterly ruined the US Armed Forces, causing morale and discipline inside the troop to collapse to the point where mutinies became a real possibility.
Well, I say Vietnam, and I'm right, The US military failed to achieve any of its strategic goals. The NVA and Vietcong succeeded in achieving their goals. Thus, they are the victors. War isn't about kill-rates.
Also: The US military never lost a war? The Seminole Wars. Korea. 'Nuff said.
The F-16 and F-15 were not only plastered by the German Mig-29's but also by Hungarian Mig 29's in 1997. And in 1992 2 Russian piloted SU-27's had mock up fights against F-15's. They used cameras to record the battles and after the mock up fights they examened the pictures taken and the result was that the F-15 didn't get any pictures of the SU-27 while the SU-27 had pictures of the F-15 vulnerable points from every angle.
The Indians used the wrong tactic. They should have used the Sukhoi's superiour aerodynamics while turning and not their TVC because the use of their TVC made the SU-30MKI lose it's momentum.
He talks like a classic american fighter pilot - Olds, Gabreski etc. On the site observations sans nonsense.
We don't have this kind of movie star pilots in Sweden. We have some nice shy guys who listen to jazz and some ultra boring assholes that you just know won't be able to shoot down anything cause God hates them.
Dont trust the Muslims, dont trust the Communists, dont trust the Christians, they all want an empire and they want to dominate the world.. Dont for a minute end up thinking u have an ally with the US.
is that sarcasm? becoz i am an athiest and i know what hindus can do to but its nothing compared to the competitive nature of these faiths.. Hinduism is not a religion its like a market place where u hv diffrent stores selling diffrent ideas, there is Atheism(Nasthik), Advita(non-duality), Duita(Duality god and man are separate). and there are other concepts..
"JineshJK" - we only have the word of this officer in this Vid about the Indian 'Blue on Blue', as such AAR's would never be disclosed publically. it is a serious offence in any military to lie to other senior officers, even in a briefing as in this vid. as he's the main person in charge of training in this 'Red Flag', it comes down to where you think he's lying or telling the truth - i think he's telling the truth.
No we have so many news channel reports conducted by US and Indian Airforce Chiefs. According to US officials.. There is no "lie" Fernof add some additional comments about Red Flag than his officers. And US defense has some famous reputation for this especially in foreign matters. One major bluff is about IAF is take off time spacing. Our chiefs completely opposed his arguments with video elements.
"JineshJK" - IFF is mostly used by Ground Forces top identify friend from Foe, especially over own held terrority. some aircraft do this specially, such as AWACS, which then distribute such info to supporting a/c, but very few a/c do this on their own as it makes them ACTIVE on the battlefield - which is a very bad thing with todays ADUs. if an a/c fails in its IFF, it could face being engaged by ADUs or another a/c tasked to intercept for ID. thats why Mission Planning is so important.
"JineshJK" - the US is embarassed over his comments - not that they true or false - but that they offended a Friendly Nation - India, a friend. from this vid, its clear this vid was not ment for public release - it was a briefing to the military hierachy. all this vid states what is already known about such Russian manouvability issues - good crowd pleasers, but not a very effective in terms of aerial combat. you should remember the US has a number of SU-27's, from which the SU-30 came from
For US Govt. India is not a friend.. But a Strong ultimate Asian BASE!! If they achieve it Then US will became something in the world. For decades US tried its best to dominate and eliminate India by supporting PAK army and militants. Now they want India as a strategic friend to control China. India is also a good Military base geographically.
"JineshJK" - the US support of the PAK is nothing to do with outrightly with India, but the Tellytubbies, getting the PAK to police their own. the US has never sort of eliminate India, far from it and even if that were true, the UK would never support that. if anything India feels threated by chinese supporting PAK, against Indian wishes. you can see why India is trying to forge strong ties to the NATO.
US sent their warships to threaten India in 1965 INDO-PAK war and the soviet submarine fleet helps us at that time by sending those ships back to US. And over decades US support Freedom fighters of Kashmir(Lashkar-E-Taiba terrorists)and Pakistan. In 1965 we have a small jet from England-(Gnat) to fight against numerous advanced fighters of PAK from US. We did that. Now our Govt. allows the US invasion through EUMA,Nuclear deal, Agriculture fields,etc.. And not by Indian citizens.
You are right that the US didn't side w/ India, & there has been some regret in how Nixon handled the INDO-PAK war. At the time the US was worried about Soveit expansionism. I can tell you that if India & Pakistan were to go to war today that it would probably be a different story. I would think that the US would probably be more neutral. That war was a long time ago. Just look at the US & Japan now being allies despite WWII. Anyway your mind is made up about the US & I'm tired of all this.
In simple.... Jewish lobby needs to stop communism and other anti-monopoly systems(whether communism is good or not) or in any other name instead of "Communism". For that they will fight against any country or any system in the world to establish their control and power over the world. Unfortunately Monopoly stayed in America and As a nation America is Monopoly's slave and warrior. (If it stayed in India or Russia.. same thing will happen..I accept it).
"JineshJK" - recently the India govt has gone into partnership on many joint adv tech projects with BAe in the region. its desire for adv tech is a major drive in india, so much so when Boeing pulled out of the Indian attack helo programme - India cancelled the programme, restarting it again asking Boeing to enter. India is a major power in the region, but so is China, and no one trusts China - but india is looking for friends
"JineshJK" - i seriously doubt China would be happy with India allowing NATO bases in India - but then theres not alot China could do to stop India from doing so. more recently the US & EU have been helping india with its nuclear programme. as to NATO bases in India - it may happen, but only under indian control. if india buys NATO combat jets, then it probably will happen.
China dont try to any negotiations or talk with India and we dont look for it. US&EU not helping India. For US they need to control every power fields in India. And Nuclear program is for that and understand please all these agreements and dealings are done by no.of peoples in Indian Govt. US is our all time real enemy.. They sent warships against us in 1965 INDO-PAK war, they prevent UN from the permanent UN membership of India. They oppose Indian candidate for UN Gen.Secretary(Sasi Tharoor).
"JineshJK" - IFF is not used by missiles, as it would be easy to shot down an enemy, spoofing an a/c. Mission Planning is far more than just setting up IFF and only then its only of use on your own side, never used over enemy terrority for the obvious reasons. Mission Planning is about planning the mission, fuel usage, threading the needle of ADUs and finally weapons release - its a series of way-points based on the Mission Profile
OK .... ok I dont want these infos.. And IFF is not used by missiles..but used by Aircrafts. And how friendly aircrafts locked each other. I need to know that how its possible in IAF aicrafts when conducting such exercise...
"JineshJK" - full flight simulators simulate both real-time events and how to deal with events. they have their place in the training time-table. even once qualified to fly a combat jet, training is still continuous as new weapons come into service, so an instructor can help the pilot / navigator to learn doctrine and tactics. we have a number of such flight training schools across the UK, even training many from other countries, even India.
"JineshJK" - when India bought the Sea Harrier from the UK, initially all training was done in the UK, before India bought some of our simulators to train locally. as i said, i worked on the FRS2, a more advanced version of the pre-FRS1's India bought back in the late 80's. the sim's we had were so realistic with the pilots and instructors really rating them as a training tool, especially when learning tactics.
"JineshJK" - again if you believe such vids, the IAF intell broadcast amongst its a/c had problems - where these are from interception or jamming, the effect was they engaged at distance their own ('Blue on Blue'). the US and UK have a huge advantage in such NEC / NCW concepts - but nothing is ever perfect. during the Gulf war important lessons were learnt and only in last few years have systems changed to reflect new ways, it will evolve again.
Do you still believe that IAF locked their own troops as target. From where you got that news and whats the reason behind your strong belief... I am sure that IAF doesnt make any mistake on targeting by using their own equipments. Its Officially cleared and I dont hear anything like so.
"JineshJK" - this vid talks of it 'Blue on Blue' engagement - as i said you either believe this senior officer who help run 'Red Flag' or not. you would be suprised how many such mistakes have happened over the years by many air-forces, especially in time critical situations.
"JineshJK" - most civilain pilots train on sims before they ever get near the real a/c. one center near Gatwick, has 8 such sim's to train pilots for all the top end civilian jets in a huge complex. commerical pilots do all their training in sims before a final test in the actual a/c - military is a little different as other external systems have to be understood.
"JineshJK" - in fact most pilots when cross training from one a/c to another use sim's to perform at least 70% of their training, so when they get to the actual a/c they are already masters. in the early part of my career i developed full flight sims for military and civil a/c - average cost from $20-$60 million per sim, which sat of 6 legs, with sound and motion to reflect what you get in the real world.
70% of training in Sim(only for pilots and not for rookies) And they are definitely not the masters of that jet. The name "SIMULATOR" gives enough meaning and idea about them. But a Simulator has more importance in flight training.
"JineshJK" - rookies start of in more conventional trainer, props, to get the basic idea of flight and mastering navigation. having pasted exams, they then move ontowards more advanced training, PC style trainers to get familar with instruments and planning environment before moving onto basic flight sims working their way up to full flight sims - so the cream of the pilots only get to this stage.
Ya Simulators are must for todays flight traing program. It helps a lot to understand the jets.. and Please understand that I know all these facts. And please stop the comments about flight simulator. I dont want it and I dont start it.
"JineshJK" - simulators can to a point replicate acceleration and roll G-Forces, but not to the same level (9G). full flight simualtors can be used to train pilots before they ever get near the actual aircraft - they are that realistic. they help pilots to understand how to deal with system failures in such a realistic manner - its very effective.
"JineshJK" - simualtion has nothing to do with saving fuel or maintance on a a/c training, it offers a level of realism which normally is only found in an actual battle, as instruments in cockpit can reflect this simulated world i.e. approaching missiles.
Ya thats I told you that "very easy to understand a lot of characteristics in less time(in a controlled environment)". I dont said that simulation is a complete waste training concept. And also I don heared about any IAF pilot locks their own sqdrn. members on RED FLAG!!!!
Yes, friendly fire happens in war. It always has. Sometime bombs don't land where they shoud, or wrong cordinates are given, or people make mistakes. It can happen. But if you look at the number of friendly fire deaths over the years it is decreasing drastically. Don't be so fucking stupid.
I'm still wating for specifica examples with PROOF of US theft. Oh wait, you're one of those brainless pieces of shit that talks shit. You're a fucking liar.
That I explained first read comments carefully BURGERHEAD and then open your ASS... MIG HMS, SA missiles, RDrocket engines, Now clear your side ASS hole. your Dads hip problems main reasons are my hardcore homo fucking on him....I respect him with his family culture.
Open your mind FREAk. I want specific examples . Name the specific weapon system you fucking retard. Mig, oh wow, great example. You know how many fucking migs there are. Tell me what specific aircraft, missile, rocket, or whatever the US copied. U can't because you have none and you are a LIAR.
"Russia's Defense Ministry will pay 25 billion rubles ($690 million) for 24 MiG fighters that Algeria has refused to accept due to their "inferior quality," a Russian deputy prime minister said on Monday. "
this doesn't mean that us planes are better ...
TheKifinas 1 month ago
F-22 is best, huh? Nice to hear.
BAACCOOOOCk 1 month ago
Quite fat pilot.
ViciousCritique 1 month ago
on average our pilots have more flying hrs. and iraq had a formidable military, it was not easy for the US to take them out. and of course with nato, we are not a rogue nation running around, plus america has its limits, at least our airforce is composed of american made aircraft, india buys its crap from russia isreal etc, hell russia was the main developer of the t-50, so make your own stuff- then boast. the little tejas does not count.
rohawkcc 1 month ago
@rohawkcc Please dont talk non sense, 3 years ago a USAF pilot mentioned Su-30MKI pilots do 300 hours a year compared to their own 250 hours. Iraq had a formidable military in what sense?? Total invasion force 1100269 against 375000 Iraqi force? Over 10 nations attacking Iraq? India just start to buy craps from your country not from Russia,Israel,France or England. What you got? Hollywood gimmicks about your worst army. Money is the player for US not technology.
JineshJK 1 month ago
@rohawkcc We make stuff that we are capable of, and stealing or copying like US. Any idea how many Soviet/Russian,European,Israeli,Japanese technology-equipment were stolen by US? What about your first rocket? atom bomb? German brain!!
JineshJK 1 month ago
haha i like how i see a thousand vids on youtube religiously claiming how superior the IAF is. lol what loads of shit.
rohawkcc 1 month ago
In Cope India and Red Flag, F-15s were dominated by Su-30MKIs(Especially in dogfight, Thrashed..).
Why USAF didnt faced Mikhail Simonov's Dogfight challenge with Sukhoi-27s?? Feared or Realized own weakness..
Ignorance and retardation at its best that is "Fernoff".. Is that common for most of US people??
JineshJK 4 months ago
@JineshJK
USAF isn't here for "accepting" challenges.We aren't playing any games here. USAF would beat the living shit outa your pussy IAF anytime.So please take that crap somewhere else.As Col. saying in the video..Your airforce is retarded and thats why you guys got RAPED by Pakistanis in your previous air wars in 60s/70s. F-15 SEs fully loaded and equipped with American pods,missiles,jammers,radars etc would thrash your Su-30s anytime.
auzer1000 3 months ago
@auzer1000 Go baby.. earn some maturity to talk big things... instead "Bla bla we are... raped bla bla.."
JineshJK 3 months ago
@JineshJK
Whatever.Keep living in fool's paradise.
auzer1000 3 months ago
@auzer1000 Oh you finally revealed your MOTTO!!!
JineshJK 3 months ago
He dont know anything about Su-30MKI and IAF. He just pissed off cause IAF scored amazingly well against US F-15s and F-15s were unable to find Mig-21 Bison.
And FOD, Fernoff bluffing like a school boy. Is there any US aircraft able to survive Rajasthan airfield(sand field)? but Su-30MKI. AL-31FP engines, India has manufactured AL-31 engines with TV nozzles under license at the Nasik plant (Hindustan Aeronautics Limited).
JineshJK 4 months ago
"Today there are only two types of fighter aircraft. Stealth fighters and targets." Tom Clancy. Deal with it. By the way, NO F-15 has every lost in air-to-air combat. To anyone or anything, with anyone flying it. Deal with it. When the Russian stuff has the kind of record the F-15s do, I'll eat my keyboard. Deal?
Fighterfanboy 4 months ago
@Fighterfanboy Stealth like f-117 that was shot down in Serbia?
veli782000 4 months ago
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F-22 weight empty=32,000 lbs, a2a take off=54,999 lbs 70,000+ thrust
Su-30MKI empty 40,500 lbs, a2a take off=67,900 lbs 63,800 lbs thrust
F-22 T2W take off = 1.27 50% fuel= 1.53
Su-35MKI take off = 0.939 50% fuel = 1.12
Fighterfanboy 4 months ago
F-22 weight empty=32,000 lbs, a2a take off=54,999 lbs 70,000+ thrust
Su-30MKI empty 40,500 lbs, a2a take off=67,900 lbs
F-22 T2W take off = 1.27 50% fuel= 1.53
Su-35MKI take off = 0.939 50% fuel = 1.12
Fighterfanboy 4 months ago
Somebody should tell this cartoon to read some stats before standing and delivering a lecture, poor guy doesn't know that the raptor is heavier and more huge than su-30. And who are those drunk guys making pesky sounds in the background, this video is just bullshit, absolute US propaganda! Don't waste your precious time people!
MrGabam 5 months ago
This man has no damn idea what he is saying, total rubbish! Su-30 MKI:- Empty weight 18,400 kg Loaded weight 24,900 kg Thrust/Weight Ratio 1.1 F-22 Raptor:- Empty weight 19,700 kg Loaded weight 29,300 kg Thrust/Weight Ratio 1.08 F-22 raptor is heavier than Su-30 by every definition of the word heavy, how come the su-30 sinks and falls out of the sky doing post-stall maneuver while the raptor doesn't fall. It is absolutely rubbish and illogical. Go on bro, u r not fooling anybody except urself
MrGabam 5 months ago
@MrGabam Go do the actual math yourself and you'll see that thrust:weight ratio with afterburner, on a loaded aircraft is 1.07 for the SU-30 and 1.08+ for the F-22. That is with the lowball figure of 35000 lbf.
In any case, his point isn't t:w, it's a matter of how snapping around with TVC bleeds speed. If you watched the video you'd hear that he notes this is why 'legacy' fighters fared well against the SU-30; they had experience dogfighting with F-22s that used the same TVC tactics.
vnlk65n 5 months ago
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MrGabam 5 months ago
@vnlk65n So a difference of 0.1 thrust/weight ratio makes u fall out of the sky, u seem as logical and rational to me as the man giving lecture in this video. ur second point, he says that TVC bleeds speed, yeah all right, it is ok. But no my friend, the cartoon in the video says that only su-30 loses considerable speed in TVC and falls out of the sky not the great f-22 raptor. Because according to his American biased rational, f-22 is lighter and smaller than su-30, lack of grey matter!!!!
MrGabam 5 months ago
@MrGabam Nobody said it makes you fall out of the sky. Using conjecture like that is just a bunch of bullshit.
Watch from 8:00 onwards, and watch it again and again until it gets through to you that hes talking about both the F-22 and SU-30MKI when he talks about the loss of speed in TVC.
And who are you to say hes wrong? He was present at the exercises where US pilots beat Indian pilots in SU-30MKIs! Results speak for themselves.
vnlk65n 5 months ago
@vnlk65n They beat Indian su-30 mki's because their pilots were good and experienced, while Indians were not, this cartoon says that himself. That doesn't mean f-15's and f-16's were better than su-30mki's, got the point! And secondly, you seriously lack grey matter. The cartoon says that against the raptors when they were post stall maneuvering, the f-15's would go vertical and then get a shot on the raptor from above while the raptor was turning with tvc, and could not go vertical with f-15
MrGabam 5 months ago
@vnlk65n And he says that this is the only chance f-15's and f-16's have against the raptor. Then he speaks the same thing about su-30, saying that in su-30's case, the f-15's and f-16's don't even have to go vertical and the su-30 is big aircraft, huge craft, and falls out of the sky, so the f-15 and f-16 have to pull the stick a little bit and then drill su-30's brains out. These are the cartoon's words. You not only lack grey matter, my friend your listening skills are also not working.
MrGabam 5 months ago
@vnlk65n su-30 is lighter than f-22, with equal thrust to weight ratio, and TVC. But su-30 falls out of the sky and sinks, while the heavier f-22 doesn't sink and stays in the air just becuase it is an American aircraft. I don't know what to do, laught at this cartoon, or feel for him. And there are cracks like you in this world who support this non-sense, wake up! You and this cartoon are foolishly in love with their country, but I am not, I believe in logic and facts!
MrGabam 5 months ago
@MrGabam I'm not American, to clarify, I don't have personal stake in the argument.
The reason the F-15 and F-16 don't have to use the exact same maneuvers against the SU-30MKI as the F-22, is probably because the SU-30MKI is still essentially a 30 year old airframe, while the F-22 has had the benefit of all the modern computing to design an airframe that is highly maneuverable even before TVC- turn rate of 28 degrees/sec sustained vs 22 degrees/sec sustained.
vnlk65n 5 months ago
@vnlk65n So u r not american, u r canadian, no essential difference. And please don't tell me f-22 is aerodynamically superior to sukhoi planes, it is accepted all over the world that sukhoi's are the best design, that's just your thinking. And that turn rate, I believe, is with the help of TVC. If you say I am wrong, then show me some reference where it says f-22 has that turn rate without TVC.
MrGabam 5 months ago
@MrGabam No, it is not accepted all over the world that the Su-27 airframe is still the best design. It was extremely competitive with its peers- the F-15, F-18 and F-16. That was in the 70s. Think about how far computer modelling technology has come since then. Do you think a 1970s era Formula 1 car would be competitive with a modern one if you put a modern engine, drivetrain and tires on it? No.
Whether it uses TVC or not isn't really important- it is sustained and thus not post-stall.
vnlk65n 4 months ago
@vnlk65n U are absolutely wrong, su-27's airframe is not competitive to f-15,16, and f-18, it outclasses them all hands up, it humiliates them, the maneuvers that it performs are out of the reach of the teen series fighters. That's the reason f-22 was developed, infact, f22 has been inspired by su-27, as far as maneuverability is concerned, imagine those cobra maneuvers etc.
MrGabam 4 months ago
@MrGabam If it outclassed them all, you wouldn't see F-15/16/18s beating them in wargames! If there is any humiliation to go around, it would be going to the Sukhoi design bureau for having their fighters beaten by these "inferior" American designs, right?
Trying to suggest that computer modelling from the 70s is even remotely comparable to today is flat out ignorant.
vnlk65n 4 months ago
@vnlk65n Man u r running out of grey matter now, gradually! Which war games are you talking about man, which f-15,f-16,f-18 or f-14 beat su-27's, in which war? For your kind information, US and it's allies have never faced su-27's, they only faced mig-29's in gulf war, not su-27's. And besides, it's against the reputation and might of USA to claim those handicapped Iraqi mig-29's, flown by those foolish arab pilots, who couldn't really utilize the machine they had.
MrGabam 4 months ago
@vnlk65n It was never plane vs. plane fight in that war, it was an advanced airforce with awacs and other technologies vs. those handicapped mig-29's, now don't tell me those mig-29's were as good as the ones in russian airforce. Iraqi pilots were never a match for the USAF pilots. Had USAF pilots been facing Russian pilots, with equal awacs support and fully functional mig-29's, the result would have been quite different. Don't forget korean war soviet pilots vs. usaf pilots, and the results.
MrGabam 4 months ago
@vnlk65n And your second point, computer technology has changed alot since 1970, yeah u right. But f-22 mainframe is not a 2000 year design, it is 80's design, or maybe early 1990's, that time computer technology had not changed a hell alot!
MrGabam 4 months ago
@vnlk65n You may say that f-22 may match the sukhoi's in airframe design, but to say that it is better than them, then it shows how ignorant and biased u r. And don't give me that computer modelling shit thing, it even existed when the teen series fighters were being developed, then why the hell those airframes lagged behind the sukhoi's, which were designed in the Soviet union with not much of computer technology.
MrGabam 4 months ago
@vnlk65n And computer technology is available with the russians as welll nowadays, so imagine people who could do wonders without computers, what they could do when computer technology is available.
MrGabam 4 months ago
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@vnlk65n And a humble suggestion to you people, why are you people so biased? Come on man, the world has changed, people can differentiate between facts and nonsense. Loving your country doesn't mean talking nonsense, and this goes to Indins as well who took part in that exercise. But to a thrid party person like me, your biasedness makes you seem foolish and ignorant, just like the man in the video, and the other drunkards laughing in the background.
MrGabam 5 months ago
I hope the PAF are taking notes
jamkabi 6 months ago
TURMANSKY????This dumbass doesn't know that MKI uses saturn AL31FP no turmansky... total fail
sandy3126 6 months ago
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pureblue420 5 months ago
IAF learnt many lessons from theses red flag excersizes...and IAF has already made many changes in its air combat stratigeys...soo the next red flag is realy goin to be intrusting...
rewant911 6 months ago
@rewant911 Bro dont need another Red Falg to show our Air Force capabilities... We already did. The video is nothing but a Desperate USAF attempt to cover their pathetic loss against IAF by a shameless piece of Ignorant crap in USAF. Even USAF lately apologized for this Fernoff Drama...
JineshJK 4 months ago
@JineshJK he apologized for shining light on the truth about their shitty airforce dude. welcome to reality. the IAF went against the most well funded, armed and trained airforce in the world. why do you think all these videos started to spread like viruses? to cover up the truth. and Fernoff is just chill, having a good laugh at their expense. he apologized for being "unprofessional" the Indians were just butt hurt n wanted to bitch lol
rohawkcc 1 month ago
@rohawkcc "their shitty airforce dude". IAF went against most well funded and armed only airfore in the world not trained. USAF pocess and shares 'all over the world invasion experience(over weak nations)' with NATO. First learn how to fight alone, then boast. We dont need any certificate from illiterate US media groups. Your so called well trained well armed force with F-15s ADVANCED RADRS!!! missed our small much older Mig-21 Bisson, even in close range. hmm Fernoff knows everything.
JineshJK 1 month ago
@JineshJK though dont get me wrong, i will ackwnoledge the indian's military legitimacy, i will refuse to say they are on the same level as the united states (military tech wise). maybe things will change in the future, where india may be on top. who knows. but Fernoff just pointed out areas where the IAF could use some polishing. unlike the pakistani airforce which is def, worse off.
rohawkcc 1 month ago
@rohawkcc wow "acknowledge" spell fail
rohawkcc 1 month ago
@rohawkcc Dont get me wrong too, Fernoff bluff like a child advice to him - at least behave like a professional. Do you know anything about IAF or Su-30MKI?? Probably NO, thats why you still supporting him. I didnt mention anything like IAF is stronger and bigger than USAF, but our pilots, their professionalism, and mainly our fighter Su-30MKI.. dont underestimate. Fernoff didnt even participated in 2008 Red Flag. Do you really think thats the manners of USAF official press meeting??!!
JineshJK 1 month ago
@JineshJK Get real, he's a fighter pilot talking to other fighter pilots. He's not going to put things diplomatically, he's going to tell them like they are.
Nater245689 2 weeks ago 2
@Nater245689 no diplomacy expected, but common sense. "Tumansky engine, FOD problems, take off delays, engine repair in Russia"!! And i dont think that "he is a fighter pilot! änd talking to other USAF fighter pilots", if yes, then thats so pathetic for USAF!!!
JineshJK 2 weeks ago
@JineshJK Your post makes zero sense, I can't respond to it.
Nater245689 2 weeks ago
i think there is some truth to what he is saying.... indians should look at this as an opportunity to learn.
nealrutgerskid 7 months ago
WHY USAF PILOT ARE SPEAK OVER THE INDIAN SU-MKI ???
BECAUSE USAF LOOSE THE SCORE AGAINST IAF IN EXERSIZE !
HA HA HA OTHER GUYS ARE NOT THE THE WHOLE STORY !
MIG-21 BISON SUCCESSFULLY INTERCEPT THE F-16 !
IN MANUVARIBLITY AND RADER, - SU 30 HAVE-PESA 400KM RANGE
AND INDIA IS A 3RD GEN POOR AND 4TH POWERFUL SUPERPOWER !
SO AMERICA NEED TO COMPETE WITH RUSSIA !
WHERE RUSSIA SHOOT MANY F-16-AND F-18 IN PAST WAR !(2002 , 1999)
souro19 9 months ago
@souro19 um? what happened? the F-117 finally got shot after ONE THOUSAND missons over heavy guarded airspace, and oh the MiG-29 got shot down by the Dutch F-16...
Dynamitejoe1 9 months ago
@Dynamitejoe1 NO NEED AIR FIGHTER , F-116 ALL READY SHOOT DOWN BY OLD 1985 MADE RUSSIAN SAM S-125 !
MIG 29 ????
AMERICA JUST SUCCESS TO SHOOT DOWN JUST ONE MIG-29 !
WHERE RUSSIA CUT THE UPTO 45 F-16 IN BOSNIA !
souro19 9 months ago
@Dynamitejoe1 UNLIKE DUTCH !
OUR AIRCRAFT HAVE MULTI NATIONAL EQUIPMENT AND MACHINE !
RADER ARE MADE WITH RUSSIA AND ISRAEL MIXTURE !
FRENCH AND AMERICAN BASED GUIDENCE SYSTEM ,
AND MANY MORE !
ONLY INDIA ENJOY THE MULTI COUNTRY'S TECHNOLOGY MIXTURE!
HA HA ISRAELI ELTA RADER AND SYSTEM EQUIPPED INDIAN MIG-21 SUCCESSFULLY INTERCEPTED F-16 IN RED FLAG EXERCISE !
souro19 9 months ago
@souro19 The MiG-21 bison did get a single kill at red flag, there is alot of diffrence because the bis has a comparable f-16 radar, and the Indians only had their veterans at red flag, when they later had exercises with normal pilots, they lost greatly the F15 was undefeated.
The F-22 actually won with zero losses against Su-30MKI at red flag...
Dynamitejoe1 9 months ago
@Dynamitejoe1 YEA ! ELTA RADER ARE FIXED IN MIG-21 , VERY SON INDIAN TEJAS REPLACE IN MIG-21 !
INDIAN AIR FORCE ARE TRAINED WITH MULTI COUNTRY'S EXPERTS !
AND YOU KNOW ??
THAT SU-30 HAVE F-22 COMPONENT , IT'S RADER, MANEUVERABILITY, BETTER COMPARE WITH F-22 !
BUT'S IT'S HAVE LESS FULL STEALTH ,
IT'S A SEMY STEALTH AIRCRAFT !
souro19 9 months ago
@souro19 stop with the capslock thing. you are an idiot, even when i take my time to politely respond. i could just be a troll and say shit like you. India cant make aircraft, they suck big time. + the Su-30 is not stealthy since it will have to carry external weapons. Radar is better on the F-22. the Indians should get the Irbis-e if they want to compare.
Dynamitejoe1 8 months ago
@Dynamitejoe1 SU-30 HAVE BIGGER RCS AND IT'S HAVE SIMILER COMPARATIVE WITH F-22
WHERE SU HAVE NO FULLY STEALTH,, THAT'S HAVE IN F-22 !
AND RUSSIA ALL READY INVENTED ANTI-STEALTH BASED RADER,
WHICH IS ONLY KNOW THE RUSSIA AND INDIA !
INDIA ALL READY MADE WORLD 2ND STEALTH HELICOPTER ,AFTER AMERICA !
souro19 8 months ago
@souro19 The Su-30 sucks compared to the F-22. There is no such thing as a "Anti stealth RADAR" it is just a powerfull L-band radar... geez your a troll.
Dynamitejoe1 8 months ago
@Dynamitejoe1 RUSSIA ALL READY INVENTED ANTI-STEALTH,
BUT IT'S NOT EQUIPPED ON SU !
OTHER SIDE SU-30MKI PESA RADER CAN ABLE TO DETECT F-18 AND F-16 !
OTHER SIDE SU HAVE LARGE SIZE RCS !
souro19 8 months ago
@souro19 Anti-stealth does not exist, it jsut a powerfull L-band radar. nothing more, and yea you are a troll...
Dynamitejoe1 8 months ago
@Dynamitejoe1 RUSSIA FIRST INVENT IT, WITH USED THE PLASMA BASED RADER !
INDIA ALSO TESTED IT , BUT PROGRAM ARE FOR FUTURE !
souro19 8 months ago
@souro19 It does not exist so far. indian aviation sucks.
Dynamitejoe1 8 months ago
@Dynamitejoe1 THAT'S WHY US BECAME LOOSE IN USAF COMPETITION AGAINST IAF !
souro19 8 months ago
@souro19 The F-22 spanked the Su-30MKI's ass pretty good at red flag...
Dynamitejoe1 8 months ago
@Dynamitejoe1 SOME DEGINE AND MECHANISM OF SU-30MKI ARE MATCH WITH F-22 RAPTOR !
BUT IT'S NOT FULL STEALTH AIRCRAFT AS LIKE F-22 !
souro19 8 months ago
USAF PILOT ARE ABUSED WITH RUSSIAN MADE SU-30MKI !
BECAUSE MORE THAN 6 F-16 AND F-18 ARE SHOOTDOWN IN HAND OF RUSSIAN SU IN 2002 WAR !
AND IAF SCORED OVER THE USAF IN EXERSIZE !
SU-30MKI RADER CAN INTERCEPT F-16 OR F-18 MORE THAN 400 KM RANGE !
souro19 9 months ago
A detailed review of what he said given in this site
vayu-sena(.)indianmilitaryhistory(.)org/exercise-red-flag-su-30mki-comparison-fornof(.)shtml
arun199113 9 months ago
3. The behaviour of the MKI in thrust vectoring is incorrectly described. Maybe someone who has actually flown against the MKI can do better justice, provided it’s an honest and unbiased assessment.
4. The IAF sustained operations 20000km away from home and had the least dropout rate. Prudence demands that safety procedures be adopted to enhance operations; could the engine operations be viewed against this backdrop?
Spartan9567 10 months ago
@Spartan9567 SU30MKI have a russian made engine..therefore it have a weak engine,russian fighter jet engine are not on par with u.s fighter jet engine..even if it have a powerful engine like F22,its gonna be same problem..the man in video describe how to engage F22 which also have a more powerful engine,he says if F22 do one of those post-stall maneuvers..you go vertical n roll back down for a gun kill..just watch starting from 8:30.
fmoa 10 months ago
1. To say the USAF had the better of the IAF in 1vs1 needs to be substantiated. Since all exercises were with ACMI maybe the USAF would like to substantiate this claim of 'drilling brains out' and 'we dominated' with ACMI recordings.
2. The USAF had similar number of fratricide during the exercise as the IAF. Considering they are fully networked with datalink, IFF Mode 4 etc. which is a greater cause of concern? IAF fratricides or USAF fratricides?
Spartan9567 10 months ago
well in truth,the su-30mki's were directed nt to use their irbis radars due to its classified nature.also f22 is hot only once it has nt been spotted,bt in a close fight its nt worth its cost.lastly the animated effort of this douche-bag colonel is d evidence of what he actually faced in red flag 08.
karatekaization 11 months ago
@karatekaization if a well trained u.s pilot in a f-15 ass-rape a more agile t-vectoring su-30mki,imagine what a t-vectoring capable f-22 flown by a well-trained u.s pilot could do to su-30mki n 3d t-vectoring capable t-50..its not even funny if you think about it..the f-22 would ass-rape any jet now n in the future if flown by well trained u.s pilots,look at korea war n vietnam war,russia migs in those wars were more agile than u.s sabres n phantoms,but u.s jets still have better kill ratio.
fmoa 11 months ago
d americans may hv bettr technology..bt indians hv bettr pilots...so evn wen u hv f22 raptor or tomcat or sumthn its ur pilot whoz gonna make d difference...india proved dat by using folland knots against pakis who used sabre n won against them..n porkis still think they won against india LOL...
alexzanderjon 1 year ago
@alexzanderjon india have better pilots..LOL..india pilots are good,but not great as u.s pilots,u.s pilots have experience in lessons learned from ww2,korea,vietnam n the persian gulf war..sure india beat u.s at copa india 2004,but india pilots face less experience u.s pilots at copa india..at red flag 2008,the experience level were the same like what this man said..guess what..u.s f-15's just dominate su-30mki,this proves having thrust-vectoring doesnt automatically guarantee you victory.
fmoa 11 months ago
It's pronounced "SUE"-30MKI not S - U!
bujoun76 1 year ago
Love these guys shooting the shit. xD
tomska102 1 year ago
Why you guys just cant admit that F22 is the best fighter plane on earth so far...Just look at the amount of money and time developing one.... Just face it.....Blah Blah Blah.....
SG09081965 1 year ago
@SG09081965
I don't understand why they are comparing the Sukhoi 30 MKI to the F22 Raptors. Isn't the SU 30 an 4th gen aircraft upgraded to 4.5 gen by HAL? Whereas the F22 is a 5th gen aircraft.
Correct me if I'm wrong. Also I think a good comparison would be between the F22 and the PAK T50 which as far as I know is still being tested.
EWnspire 1 year ago
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Anyone who says he is not is "brainwashed by commie propaganda".
You get the idea behind this completely FAKE "debriefing" video?
PKSnsk 1 year ago
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PKSnsk 1 year ago
hellenic air force the winner red flag 2008
erat1220 1 year ago
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OlderG0ds 1 year ago
pakistan has a brilliant history in defeating the indian air force learn india go back to school bring your fuckin russian migs we pakistanis also have a very good record of shooting down russian jets over afghanistan in 1980
KASHMIRI7864LYFE 1 year ago
@KASHMIRI7864LYFE LOL You and your pakistan is a big joke.
puntertakeson 1 year ago
u american suck nd the officer inthis vid is a mother fucker cause if he had the guts he should hav had a dog fight with his f -16 with our su 30 that would hav fucked his american mother so hard that he would nver hav the guts to give brifing about the indian air force .
14amritanshu 1 year ago
@14amritanshu
Quit bitching about it. Modern US fighters vs Modern Indian fighters will end with US victory any day. And if Russia wasnt making weapons for you this would've been a complete joke.
nem1 1 year ago
listen mr america if ur america makes things its not ur brain power they need our indain brains nd to prove that go nd search that what % of ur great american scientist work in NASA u ill be suprised 2 know that it is 60-40 nd 40 is for u.
nd listen it was india who found that moon has water nd not ur great america
14amritanshu 1 year ago
@14amritanshu
Unfortunately everything you said was completely irrelevant.. Quit believing that the whole world hates Indians and you may realize that the guy in the video was joking. Patriotism is great, but after being cussed out by several people over the same topic im starting to think this is just a maturity issue. If Indian Americans are doing well then that is wonderful.. but the fact is that the Indian military relies heavily on technology from other countries.
nem1 1 year ago
@14amritanshu LoL. The scientist, who work in NASA are Americans. Their ancestry may have been from India, however they were either born in the US or have become natural Citizen off.
If they were Scientist from India then they would be making planes for IAF not working at NASA.
Politactic 1 year ago
@Politactic Yes, you are right. If an Indian-American invents something revolutionary its an American innovation. Same for Einstein(German-American),Nikola Tesla(Serbian-American),etc and their innovations.
JacobTheIndoAmerican 1 year ago
Firstly why is he comparing the Su30MKI with the F22 Raptor anyways? The Su30 is at least half a generation legacy to F22. The IAF is getting the PAK FA to compete with the F 22. Secondly his statement has been disowned by the USAF and he himself apologized. Finally India doesn't really expect to be in a coalition with the US. India has generally been non aligned to any country or coalition whereas US foreign policy has historically favored Pakistan a flawed decision according to me.
BJTjaggernaut 1 year ago
@BJTjaggernaut
Well technically the Su-30MKI is half a generation past the F-16's and F-15's that it was flown against, so the F-22 comparison was fair (albeit a bit cocky)
nem1 1 year ago
@nem1
I couldn't agree more with you about the F 22 being superior to the Su 30 MKIs in stealth which would probably win the day for it. But this guy keeps saying how the F 22 can beat the Su 30 MKI which is not the point, the Su 30 is not comparable to it. And like I said the touted virtual adversary to the F22 is the PAK FA and not the Su 30 MKI.
BJTjaggernaut 1 year ago
@BJTjaggernaut
he only really made a direct comparison once.. the other times he compared them because the US pilots gained experience against TVC aircraft when they flew against it. And TECHNICALLY the adversary of the F-15's and F-16's were the Su-27 and Mig-29.. the Su-30mki came along like 30 years later.
nem1 1 year ago
@nem1
He keeps comparing the two aircraft through out his lecture and also refers to how the Raptor can kill the MKI in combat (a claim that I do not dispute in BVR combat). Also the Su 30 MKI airframe is based on the Su 27 which is as old as the "teens", as far as the avionics and armaments etc. are concerned the latest F-16E/F Block 60 and the latest F 15 (can't remember the block) are comparable. TVC being the major difference, the Ruskies mastered it before us can't blame them for it.
BJTjaggernaut 1 year ago
@BJTjaggernaut
His comparisons only show his experience is combating aircraft with TVC. And even so, i dont see how his claims are any worse or more patriotic than the IAF's claims that they have dominated every war games competition they have been it. Either way you look at it the IAF blew this thing way out of proportion.
also the USAF doesnt use the F-16 E/F or the newest F-15Ks... The Su-30 is from the same era as the F-22, the F-22 is just way better..
nem1 1 year ago
@nem1
As far as the Russian supply of arms to India is concerned. India has constantly been denied technology by the US through no fault of her own, being a well known non-proliferator. Where as the US decided to supply technology and fund the military expansion of Pakistan for several decades. Considering that the country bankrupted by the Raj got independence 60 years ago and had to combat poverty and the pangs of nation building in a volatile neighborhood I'd say it has utilized what it got.
BJTjaggernaut 1 year ago
Well, F-22 CRaptor can't do the same demonstration as the Su-30mki in an airshow as opposed to what this a**hole is saying.
mohits24889 1 year ago
His is a GAY.
mikeplay007 1 year ago
@mikeplay007 That's called projection when you are in reality gay yourself and see someone you're attracted too. Sorry, I'm pretty sure he's married to a woman, I guess it's just you and your dildo again
shaftster2001 1 year ago
@shaftster2001 You are on other cocksucker? How the fuck in America so much GAYS and cocksuckers? Fuck your self you GAY cockasucker.
mikeplay007 1 year ago
@mikeplay007 Again dude, that's projection. Sorry mikeplay, I will not participate in a vodka infused gay sex orgy with you. Then again if russia is as homophobic and anti Semitic as the army of russian yters make it sound, no wonder the US is so much more successful than russia.
shaftster2001 1 year ago
It's absolutely shamefull the way these US Americans bash and make fun of the Indians and the SU-30MKI. Just hear them! Typical US behaviour that they brag and show arrogance when they win but when they lose wich happened on several different occasions since 1992 against MIg-29 and SU-27
they keep it quiet!! Hypocrites!
This arrogant behaviour is also the reason why the US lost battles and wars.
It's time that Russian pilots visit Red Flag to whipe those arrogant smiles off their faces!
ILTUSU 2 years ago
@ILTUSU
It's not "winning or losing" it's a training exercise.
US military has never lost a war. Go ahead and say Vietnam, you'd still be wrong.
OlderG0ds 2 years ago
@OlderG0ds,
Not achieving the initial goals in Vietnam and leaving is losing. Just like the Soviets did in Afghanistan. Vietnam is a proud country with happy people. They know that they won the Vietnam war.
ILTUSU 2 years ago
You clearly don't know anything about Vietnam War.
US military did it's job which was to defend South Vietnam from being taken over by North. Only when peace treaty was signed did North taken over South and US was already gone. The failure of that war was political not militarily. Plus ARVN sucked ass.
OlderG0ds 2 years ago
@OlderG0ds,
The US failed at protecting South Vietnam. The fact that South and North Vietnam became one country again only proves that the US should have stayed out of it in the first place.
ILTUSU 2 years ago
Nope. US military succeeded in protecting South Vietnam while they were there. You seem to not be able to differentiate between military and politics. Politics is what caused the withdrawal of troops.
The fact that Vietnam is a shitty communist country proves that US should have stayed and won the war, even if domino theory was wrong.
Either we should have stayed out or gone all in. It wasn't our war. South Vietnam ask for help so we did.
OlderG0ds 2 years ago
@OlderG0ds,
learnhistory(DOT)org(DOT)uk/vietnam/usdefeat(DOT)htm
ILTUSU 2 years ago
@OlderG0ds.
Google:
Vietnam: The War the U.S. Lost
ILTUSU 2 years ago
@OlderG0ds,
U.S. Secretary of State Henry Kissinger wrote in a secret memo to President Gerald Ford that "in terms of military tactics, we cannot help draw the conclusion that our armed forces are not suited to this kind of war. Even the Special Forces who had been designed for it could not prevail."[191] Even Secretary of Defense Robert McNamara concluded that "the achievement of a military victory by U.S. forces in Vietnam was indeed a dangerous illusion."
ILTUSU 2 years ago
Because they were fighting not only a bigger army the NVA but guerrilla warfare experts the VC too. Yes soldiers trained for conventional war are not suited to fight against guerrillas. However I stand by my statement that the failure overall was not the US military's fault. And US was not the only country involved, there were many.
OlderG0ds 2 years ago
@OlderG0ds,
It shows how difficult it is even for a strong military to win a guerrilla war. The Soviets had
the same kind of experience in Afghanistan.
They won the military battles also but not the war.
ILTUSU 2 years ago
@OlderG0ds,
I can tell you that Vietnam is a great country with great people. Verry happy people indeed.
ILTUSU 2 years ago 3
I wasn't trying to disrespect Vietnamese people, just the country is not so good according to my friend who is Vietnamese. He supports USA 100%.
OlderG0ds 2 years ago
@OlderG0ds,
Good to hear that. People from all countries have different views about their own country wich is fine. The world would be a boring place if we would all think alike. ;-)
ILTUSU 2 years ago
so 3 million people being killed for a war that was pointless, wasnt enough.
Vietnam is doing well, what would it be like if the US didnt killed 1/3 of its population. in what way did Vietnam deserve the kind of destruction that we brought to it. did the country attack the us. did it threaten America or its allies. maybe the US should not fight French wars of colonization. not only was it brutal and ignorant, but also foolish. American gains nothing from those types of wars.
thesparitan 1 year ago
Uh, South Vietnam 'was' our ally. And North Vietnam (communism) threatened it, which is why we went there.
OlderG0ds 1 year ago
do you know how south Vietnam was created and why. look I dont want to be rude to you, you seem very nice, but you seem to be ignorant of history. maybe its the school system, or maybe its the media and the narrowing of debate and criticisms. Most of the people that died were from south Vietnam, most of the bombs were dropped on the south. Huge acts of terrorism and genocide on the US side, for what. And was Vietnam a democracy. no one informed can come to your conclusions about the war.
thesparitan 1 year ago
Vietnam is a shitty communist country? Thanks for proving your complete ignorance. The place is doing better than most of South East Asia, including many non-communist countries in the area. The US could have stayed for another decade and would still have lost. An invasion of the north was not militarily or politically feasible and without it, there was no way to ever achieve a lasting impact.
Magni56 1 year ago
@ILTUSU the south failed it self
1927henritta 2 years ago
Except the US military did no such job. The stated goals of the US in Vietnam was to ensure the long-term existence of South Vietnam by completely eliminating the North as a threat. This did not happen. The failure was military, as the US forces never managed to achieve any kind of strategic victory. Not to mention that Vietnam utterly ruined the US Armed Forces, causing morale and discipline inside the troop to collapse to the point where mutinies became a real possibility.
Magni56 1 year ago
Well, I say Vietnam, and I'm right, The US military failed to achieve any of its strategic goals. The NVA and Vietcong succeeded in achieving their goals. Thus, they are the victors. War isn't about kill-rates.
Also: The US military never lost a war? The Seminole Wars. Korea. 'Nuff said.
Magni56 1 year ago
dushtpache,
The F-16 and F-15 were not only plastered by the German Mig-29's but also by Hungarian Mig 29's in 1997. And in 1992 2 Russian piloted SU-27's had mock up fights against F-15's. They used cameras to record the battles and after the mock up fights they examened the pictures taken and the result was that the F-15 didn't get any pictures of the SU-27 while the SU-27 had pictures of the F-15 vulnerable points from every angle.
ILTUSU 2 years ago 2
dushtpache,
The Indians used the wrong tactic. They should have used the Sukhoi's superiour aerodynamics while turning and not their TVC because the use of their TVC made the SU-30MKI lose it's momentum.
ILTUSU 2 years ago 6
@ILTUSU Like the guy said, if the pilots flying them was the good ones with more flying time (experience) everything would've been different
nmosely1988 1 year ago
He talks like a classic american fighter pilot - Olds, Gabreski etc. On the site observations sans nonsense.
We don't have this kind of movie star pilots in Sweden. We have some nice shy guys who listen to jazz and some ultra boring assholes that you just know won't be able to shoot down anything cause God hates them.
Laccodel 2 years ago
Dont trust the Muslims, dont trust the Communists, dont trust the Christians, they all want an empire and they want to dominate the world.. Dont for a minute end up thinking u have an ally with the US.
KarthikSoun 2 years ago
that's good, because india is predominantly Hindu and historically very peaceful and progressive.
Kurushimus 2 years ago
is that sarcasm? becoz i am an athiest and i know what hindus can do to but its nothing compared to the competitive nature of these faiths.. Hinduism is not a religion its like a market place where u hv diffrent stores selling diffrent ideas, there is Atheism(Nasthik), Advita(non-duality), Duita(Duality god and man are separate). and there are other concepts..
KarthikSoun 2 years ago
if they spare cows, I think they can spare people.
IFIRIEIEID 2 years ago
"JineshJK" - we only have the word of this officer in this Vid about the Indian 'Blue on Blue', as such AAR's would never be disclosed publically. it is a serious offence in any military to lie to other senior officers, even in a briefing as in this vid. as he's the main person in charge of training in this 'Red Flag', it comes down to where you think he's lying or telling the truth - i think he's telling the truth.
simrobin 2 years ago
No we have so many news channel reports conducted by US and Indian Airforce Chiefs. According to US officials.. There is no "lie" Fernof add some additional comments about Red Flag than his officers. And US defense has some famous reputation for this especially in foreign matters. One major bluff is about IAF is take off time spacing. Our chiefs completely opposed his arguments with video elements.
JineshJK 2 years ago
"JineshJK" - IFF is mostly used by Ground Forces top identify friend from Foe, especially over own held terrority. some aircraft do this specially, such as AWACS, which then distribute such info to supporting a/c, but very few a/c do this on their own as it makes them ACTIVE on the battlefield - which is a very bad thing with todays ADUs. if an a/c fails in its IFF, it could face being engaged by ADUs or another a/c tasked to intercept for ID. thats why Mission Planning is so important.
simrobin 2 years ago
I dont said Mission Planning is not an important.... And I dont need the working method of any IFF or sims.
JineshJK 2 years ago
"JineshJK" - from your postings, you seem confused about what IFF is and does and the use of Sims - hence my posting
simrobin 2 years ago
"JineshJK" - the US is embarassed over his comments - not that they true or false - but that they offended a Friendly Nation - India, a friend. from this vid, its clear this vid was not ment for public release - it was a briefing to the military hierachy. all this vid states what is already known about such Russian manouvability issues - good crowd pleasers, but not a very effective in terms of aerial combat. you should remember the US has a number of SU-27's, from which the SU-30 came from
simrobin 2 years ago
For US Govt. India is not a friend.. But a Strong ultimate Asian BASE!! If they achieve it Then US will became something in the world. For decades US tried its best to dominate and eliminate India by supporting PAK army and militants. Now they want India as a strategic friend to control China. India is also a good Military base geographically.
JineshJK 2 years ago
"JineshJK" - the US support of the PAK is nothing to do with outrightly with India, but the Tellytubbies, getting the PAK to police their own. the US has never sort of eliminate India, far from it and even if that were true, the UK would never support that. if anything India feels threated by chinese supporting PAK, against Indian wishes. you can see why India is trying to forge strong ties to the NATO.
simrobin 2 years ago
US sent their warships to threaten India in 1965 INDO-PAK war and the soviet submarine fleet helps us at that time by sending those ships back to US. And over decades US support Freedom fighters of Kashmir(Lashkar-E-Taiba terrorists)and Pakistan. In 1965 we have a small jet from England-(Gnat) to fight against numerous advanced fighters of PAK from US. We did that. Now our Govt. allows the US invasion through EUMA,Nuclear deal, Agriculture fields,etc.. And not by Indian citizens.
JineshJK 2 years ago
You are right that the US didn't side w/ India, & there has been some regret in how Nixon handled the INDO-PAK war. At the time the US was worried about Soveit expansionism. I can tell you that if India & Pakistan were to go to war today that it would probably be a different story. I would think that the US would probably be more neutral. That war was a long time ago. Just look at the US & Japan now being allies despite WWII. Anyway your mind is made up about the US & I'm tired of all this.
asusucks 2 years ago
In simple.... Jewish lobby needs to stop communism and other anti-monopoly systems(whether communism is good or not) or in any other name instead of "Communism". For that they will fight against any country or any system in the world to establish their control and power over the world. Unfortunately Monopoly stayed in America and As a nation America is Monopoly's slave and warrior. (If it stayed in India or Russia.. same thing will happen..I accept it).
JineshJK 2 years ago
"JineshJK" - recently the India govt has gone into partnership on many joint adv tech projects with BAe in the region. its desire for adv tech is a major drive in india, so much so when Boeing pulled out of the Indian attack helo programme - India cancelled the programme, restarting it again asking Boeing to enter. India is a major power in the region, but so is China, and no one trusts China - but india is looking for friends
simrobin 2 years ago
"JineshJK" - i seriously doubt China would be happy with India allowing NATO bases in India - but then theres not alot China could do to stop India from doing so. more recently the US & EU have been helping india with its nuclear programme. as to NATO bases in India - it may happen, but only under indian control. if india buys NATO combat jets, then it probably will happen.
simrobin 2 years ago
China dont try to any negotiations or talk with India and we dont look for it. US&EU not helping India. For US they need to control every power fields in India. And Nuclear program is for that and understand please all these agreements and dealings are done by no.of peoples in Indian Govt. US is our all time real enemy.. They sent warships against us in 1965 INDO-PAK war, they prevent UN from the permanent UN membership of India. They oppose Indian candidate for UN Gen.Secretary(Sasi Tharoor).
JineshJK 2 years ago
"JineshJK" - IFF is not used by missiles, as it would be easy to shot down an enemy, spoofing an a/c. Mission Planning is far more than just setting up IFF and only then its only of use on your own side, never used over enemy terrority for the obvious reasons. Mission Planning is about planning the mission, fuel usage, threading the needle of ADUs and finally weapons release - its a series of way-points based on the Mission Profile
simrobin 2 years ago
OK .... ok I dont want these infos.. And IFF is not used by missiles..but used by Aircrafts. And how friendly aircrafts locked each other. I need to know that how its possible in IAF aicrafts when conducting such exercise...
JineshJK 2 years ago
"JineshJK" - full flight simulators simulate both real-time events and how to deal with events. they have their place in the training time-table. even once qualified to fly a combat jet, training is still continuous as new weapons come into service, so an instructor can help the pilot / navigator to learn doctrine and tactics. we have a number of such flight training schools across the UK, even training many from other countries, even India.
simrobin 2 years ago
"JineshJK" - when India bought the Sea Harrier from the UK, initially all training was done in the UK, before India bought some of our simulators to train locally. as i said, i worked on the FRS2, a more advanced version of the pre-FRS1's India bought back in the late 80's. the sim's we had were so realistic with the pilots and instructors really rating them as a training tool, especially when learning tactics.
simrobin 2 years ago
"JineshJK" - again if you believe such vids, the IAF intell broadcast amongst its a/c had problems - where these are from interception or jamming, the effect was they engaged at distance their own ('Blue on Blue'). the US and UK have a huge advantage in such NEC / NCW concepts - but nothing is ever perfect. during the Gulf war important lessons were learnt and only in last few years have systems changed to reflect new ways, it will evolve again.
simrobin 2 years ago
Do you still believe that IAF locked their own troops as target. From where you got that news and whats the reason behind your strong belief... I am sure that IAF doesnt make any mistake on targeting by using their own equipments. Its Officially cleared and I dont hear anything like so.
JineshJK 2 years ago
"JineshJK" - this vid talks of it 'Blue on Blue' engagement - as i said you either believe this senior officer who help run 'Red Flag' or not. you would be suprised how many such mistakes have happened over the years by many air-forces, especially in time critical situations.
simrobin 2 years ago
"JineshJK" - most civilain pilots train on sims before they ever get near the real a/c. one center near Gatwick, has 8 such sim's to train pilots for all the top end civilian jets in a huge complex. commerical pilots do all their training in sims before a final test in the actual a/c - military is a little different as other external systems have to be understood.
simrobin 2 years ago
"JineshJK" - in fact most pilots when cross training from one a/c to another use sim's to perform at least 70% of their training, so when they get to the actual a/c they are already masters. in the early part of my career i developed full flight sims for military and civil a/c - average cost from $20-$60 million per sim, which sat of 6 legs, with sound and motion to reflect what you get in the real world.
simrobin 2 years ago
70% of training in Sim(only for pilots and not for rookies) And they are definitely not the masters of that jet. The name "SIMULATOR" gives enough meaning and idea about them. But a Simulator has more importance in flight training.
JineshJK 2 years ago
"JineshJK" - rookies start of in more conventional trainer, props, to get the basic idea of flight and mastering navigation. having pasted exams, they then move ontowards more advanced training, PC style trainers to get familar with instruments and planning environment before moving onto basic flight sims working their way up to full flight sims - so the cream of the pilots only get to this stage.
simrobin 2 years ago
Ya Simulators are must for todays flight traing program. It helps a lot to understand the jets.. and Please understand that I know all these facts. And please stop the comments about flight simulator. I dont want it and I dont start it.
JineshJK 2 years ago
"JineshJK" - simulators can to a point replicate acceleration and roll G-Forces, but not to the same level (9G). full flight simualtors can be used to train pilots before they ever get near the actual aircraft - they are that realistic. they help pilots to understand how to deal with system failures in such a realistic manner - its very effective.
simrobin 2 years ago
"JineshJK" - simualtion has nothing to do with saving fuel or maintance on a a/c training, it offers a level of realism which normally is only found in an actual battle, as instruments in cockpit can reflect this simulated world i.e. approaching missiles.
simrobin 2 years ago
Ya thats I told you that "very easy to understand a lot of characteristics in less time(in a controlled environment)". I dont said that simulation is a complete waste training concept. And also I don heared about any IAF pilot locks their own sqdrn. members on RED FLAG!!!!
JineshJK 2 years ago
Yes, friendly fire happens in war. It always has. Sometime bombs don't land where they shoud, or wrong cordinates are given, or people make mistakes. It can happen. But if you look at the number of friendly fire deaths over the years it is decreasing drastically. Don't be so fucking stupid.
asusucks 2 years ago
Oh decreasing...finally British can take a breath...please dont kill your friends(like in US schools) at least in a war......
JineshJK 2 years ago
I'm still wating for specifica examples with PROOF of US theft. Oh wait, you're one of those brainless pieces of shit that talks shit. You're a fucking liar.
asusucks 2 years ago
That I explained first read comments carefully BURGERHEAD and then open your ASS... MIG HMS, SA missiles, RDrocket engines, Now clear your side ASS hole. your Dads hip problems main reasons are my hardcore homo fucking on him....I respect him with his family culture.
JineshJK 2 years ago
Open your mind FREAk. I want specific examples . Name the specific weapon system you fucking retard. Mig, oh wow, great example. You know how many fucking migs there are. Tell me what specific aircraft, missile, rocket, or whatever the US copied. U can't because you have none and you are a LIAR.
asusucks 2 years ago
Russian quality hahaha
"Russia's Defense Ministry will pay 25 billion rubles ($690 million) for 24 MiG fighters that Algeria has refused to accept due to their "inferior quality," a Russian deputy prime minister said on Monday. "
asusucks 2 years ago
Or, Russian Armys weaknesses exposed
Read: mnweekly. ru/comment/20080911/55345897. html
asusucks 2 years ago