Everybody sick of the de facto United States, please google PAC In Law (dot) (org). There is one lawful way out of this mess. I tool it. Contact me for more info.
The contract that binds people to the debt, is when they are coerced into signing a 1040 tax form without realizing that they are contracting with the State and bound by the rules of the State , simply because they signed on the bottom line !
If they cant show you the contract, you show them the door... they show you the gun and we're back to square one. That aint no fantasy jack. Nothing new will come. The old stand bys will return and we will see WW3.
Good stuff, Stefan, but would be even better if you were to stick with what you really know -- freedom, liberty, economics, etc. It's fine not to believe in anything "religious", but in this case as an example, you clearly do not know or understand the concept of original sin. As such, the simile with the national debt does not work.
My life is already near zero ..... The propositions that SM advances jumble me into even more chaotic mind fugue. He is right .... I don't like it. Seeing the truth makes me hurl snakes. I will lay in warm gel and expire, Life is simply too tricky for me to puzzle out. I am too weak. thanks for pointing this out ... SM
We may not have signed any contracts but we've all massively benefited from the increasing debit, including the man in the video above. To say that we're not responsible for our slave masters going bankrupt is misleading. True, it wasn't something we voted for, but we all reaped the benefits for many years.
I agree with the points made in the video but I also accept a certain degree of moral responsibility for the debt. If YOU don't, then you're in denial about how sweet we've had it until now.
@studioviper so what if we reaped the benefits? does not change the logic. does not change the morality. for example, even if a slavemaster were to use some of his debt to buy food for the slaves does not mean that the slave is any more obligated to the slavemaster
There are papers signed that say a "person" is responsible for it. Even the form called the "vote" is nothing more than saying you give up your God-given rights to these reptiles in DC. Don't vote anymore. Unregister your vote. By signing on that dotted line, you are giving your consent for them to continue their thievery. They use so many slimy tactics that it takes a long time to get out of it. SSN? It's really a contract number to banksters. TWEA of '17 and '33.
Do you not worry that long before you'll ever utter the triumphant words "there's the door asshole" they will have all of us on our broken knees, hungry and cold.
And that'd only be if we're not suffocated by noxious gas or nuclear dust?
THE SOLUTION Everyone living in United States knows that our country is in trouble. We are headed towards civil unrest and rioting in the streets similar to what is happening in Greece and other areas of the world. It is almost as if there is a dooms day scenario about to unfold and our leaders are saying run up the deficit. Who cares what our National Debt is because the world is about to end and we will never have to pay it back. Let us put on our Nostradamus thinking caps! Imagine ourse
I've given up on the money game. It's the cause of all these problems, and we'll never solve them as long as we're trapped in a monetary system. Painfully obvious, isn't it? The inherent corruption is so rampant, and the consumption cycle is so destructive to the environment. It's unsustainable at this point in time. We've entered a new era, but we're still holding on to things that don't serve us anymore.
You say WE didn't cause this debt or vote for it or sign any contracts - but we DO sign a contract with the State every time we file our taxes by signing a W2 form !
It is difficult to insist that we are free, when the impending reality is that we are truly slaves, and we (the people) are just tradeable commodities in a game of power and control between competing corporate banking elites who have tremendous leverage in controling their stock with belligerant force !
We live under statism whether we like it or not, and there will be serious repercussions for the average working person if the government has a debt crisis. if you care about how people's lives are affected by these you would say something productive rather than keeping your mind and apathy in a theoretical seminar and forgetting the real working people of the world.
The problem is a power vacuum tends to be filled by ruthless people who control the world's resources, the monetary system is one angle of this. There needs to be a representative system in place to prevent monopolies (thats just for starters), or we'll end up with a repeat of 19th century conditions.
Very much enjoyed this. Good for a laugh. But, I have to tell you, if you think China holds control over the U.S. economy because it owns our debt, you need a basic lesson in monetary theory, the reserve currency and political hegemony. The U.S. owns China. Period. Politics is a game of power and you need to understand what is going on in the world to appreciate that fact. If this system fails, and it will, the U.S. economy will once again ROAR
In a nutshell what Steph is saying is that external authority is a hoax. All governments are force-backed. Governments only exist because we allow them to exist by our continued belief in them. It's all fiction. That's why they have to convert your flesh and blood man/woman body into a 'person' designated by the name appearing in ALL CAPITAL LETTERS. Capitis Diminutio Maxima - a maximum loss of status through the use of capitalization. The driver's license, credit card bill, is not your debt.
I don't want this to be a "does God exist or not discussion" so I'll make my point short. I totally agree with what this guy is saying he is dead on. I also really agree with this idea that people are beginning to have that "why do we need a government at all?" I think that is what our founding fathers were getting at with creating a limited government where the people were loyal to a set of common beliefs rather than individuals. I do ask this question though....
I think the whole reason people decided to have governments to begin with is because uncivilized people of the past found strength in numbers. Somehow we in the present age believe that we have become more enlightened and that uncivilized behavior won't happen if people are allowed to do what they want to do. Humans will support themselves by their own ingenuity and individuals will mind their own personal business. Society will function in harmony as people feed off each other
This assumption that people will get along is based on the idea that everyone believes in some sort of basic moral law. If there is some basic moral law that is inherent in everyone it makes sense that there is a moral law giver.. or some moral force that, when followed perfectly, holds personal relationships in perfect harmony. I think the God of the Bible is this force that binds things together. ... I apologize for getting off track from the video.
i love the way so called conservatives think Ronald Reagan was the greatest U.S. president ever. like stefbot basically said, it started during the Reagan years and has escalated ever since.
I really wish I could get people to watch this who refuse to believe what is before their very eyes everyday. Alas I have given up on them.Time to look after you and yours. Buy precious metals if you can. Even just a little bit because soon all that paper money wil be totally worthless. Non-perishable food is a good investment too. Be prepared or get caught with your pants down.
I'm really happy to hear such a clear description about this. I hope this government does die out, and whatever emerges is honest and celebrates our true rights as people
Fantastic, what clarity! There is nothing more powerful than an idea.
It's refreshing to know you are in Canada too. I myself am in British Columbia. I don't vote, watch TV, read newspapers, or buy into the crud that is daily attempted to be fed to me.
I use truth to navigate the pitfalls of our society and find that my level of discernment is far more powerful than any news broadcast has ever been. It's both fun and sad watching the "sheeple" run around living a false reality.
Fantastic, what clarity! There is nothing more powerful than an idea.
It's refreshing to know you are in Canada too. I myself am in British Columbia. I don't vote, watch TV, read newspapers, or buy into the crud that is daily attempted to be fed to me.
I use truth to navigate the pitfalls of our society and find that my level of discernment is far more powerful than any news broadcast has ever been. It's both fun and sad watching the "sheeple" run around living a false reality.
heres my reaction to this video. here we go again....... hmmmm....mmmmm......mhmmm.... yeah it is.... SERIOUSLY..... omg exactly!! the way he explains is broken down very well and simple to understand from a completely different point of view awesome! V for victory!!! R for RonPaul!!
7:50 If the slave owner goes bankrupt, his creditors don't go to the slaves for repayment, they sell the slaves. Contract? Slaves are not party to any contract.
I'm glad I don't have to pay the debt. So what if I'm paying smaller amounts through taxes, it's going to crash soon. I'm glad they are going to crash. It is all a state of mind and we can pull our heads from the question "How are we going to pay off the debt.!!!" We don't need to !! =) Love you stef.
what about a case of "repo"...that is to say when the creditor seizes the debtors property?...think you own your home?..you are listed as "tenant" on your deed if you live in the U.S...will our military be purchased at auction by china?...as slaves are we considered "property" and can said property change hands?...will we be torn from our friends and families to work on a different plantation?..because the old "masters" are now slaves due to their debt...meet the new boss..same as the old boss..
@patthespark I'm an artist, a Canadian artist and I'm with ya. The blue/red thing was hillarious and it goes to show you how silly the whole system is. All pseudo-intellectual nitwits collecting a paycheque to talk the talk. I hate ugly steel sculpture scattered all over the place too. The thing is, half the time their bosses are making fun of us all and laughing all the way to the slaughterhouse...
Well... I'm fully with you on the debt, but you're missing the fact that when the slave master goes under the slave master's property(slaves) now belongs to the creditor. Who holds Canada's debt? who holds the American's?
Me thinks the Chinese are coming...
If that happends, our current enslavement will seem like a Utopia!
When you signed your SS-5 as an "adult" you affirmed your mother's desire to wave all of your unalienable rights in exchange for the relative privileges and immunities provided by the state and you thereby agreed to pay the debt. Did they HAVE to inform you of the nature of the contract you signed? No, you were assumed to know what you were doing.
The contract you signed was your SS-5 and prior to that your mother signed an application for live birth in which she indicated that she wished to obtain for you a corporate personality (a "US Citizen") with which to conduct business in the public.
If all states were to Secede from the USA, that would leave Washington DC holding on to the national debt. Personally, I don't have a problem letting the treasury holders fight over dividing that swamp land up.
@EnnoiaBlog Yes, but you have to remember that in addition to the organic states (Pennsylvania, Michigan, etc.) there are federal enclaves known as PENNSYLVANIA (PA), MICHIGAN (MI) etc. which are simply corporations chartered from D.C., not states. These corporate entities are still beholden to the Federal "government" (a corporation established in 1871) unless and until they fulfill the contractual obligations they agreed to, such as paying the national debt, even if the organic states secede.
The Genesis story about the Garden of Eden, and the apple, is a symbolical parable about the role of lust in creating negative changes in the outer world-dream (manifestation), and any male can test that theory for himself. Dissing profound mythic stories such as that of Genesis is simply thoughtless.
Why didn't I think of this before? I guess I was too concerned over the future of my country and your children to see the obvious. It should be of prime importance to know that I have no children nor do I want any therefore I really should not care.
@koabarra Here is the way I understand it. With the current legal system, no one is really responsible because a "corporation" doesn't actually exist, but it has more rights than you or me. "Limited liability"
aside from that you are correct. but what most whites fail to realize is that PARASITE sub-humans DONT THINK THIS WAY, they arent optimistic reasonable white humans. north america is going to look like third world africa. all you soft hearted civil rights activists are going to shit yourselves, when you see the brutality of reality. you're going to wish you never cheered for civil rights for subhumans, as they are tearing into your house looking for food as they raep your wife and children.
WRONG. the problem was ending slavery and not sending nigs back to africa. now they run loose and breed and the j'ews use this to their advantage to destroy america. you are a soft hearted british man. it's not a fantasy. it's reality. as real as a steel blade that uncle sham's ZOG troops are going to thrust into your heart when you refuse to pay into the system. the next war will not be about open arms and love, it will be more bloody and brutal than any war, because the population is huge
You show me the contract, or I'll show you the door. Just then they pull out the loan promissory note for your home that made you a part of the national debt.
@ihaterobbie123 not sure if that was sarcastic or not. But, the government obviously owes tons of money. At the same time, we have to pay taxes, and the debt affects us. So, clearly we have to pay it off. Government doesn't just get money from nowhere. This guy is pretty much a giant dumbass.
@mpbaker22 He's arguing for anarchism, we erase the state, we erase the debt as there's nobody who directly owns it.
"The debt is preserved with the state" would be a crude paraphrase. If you think about it it's actually true. It's not as if half of the world is rubbing their fingers together because the developed countries crashed. We owe a debt to people who owe a debt to people who owe a debt to us. All this time "people" and "we/us" is only the states we preserve.
@mpbaker22 It really is a case of tilting at windmills, we've already crashed and are still trying to convince ourselves we're doing anything constructive.
We only have to pay off THEIR debt because they will send armies of men with guns to our doors if we do not.
Did you ever sign a single voluntary contract for a single penny that the government has borrowed from either foreign nations or the "federal reserve"?
No, you did not. Therefore, by any reasonable common law interpretation, it is not YOUR debt.
You can go out and rack up credit cards then force your neighbor to pay it at gunpoint - doesn't mean it's HIS debt, does it?
Bit naive, no? How do I just tell the feds that I'm not responsible for the debt when they have the POWER to raise my taxes, REGARDLESS of whether I'm literally responsible for the debt or not. We WILL pay whether we like it or not. Wishful thinking friend
While technically correct, the author possibly forgets that, at the end of the day,should you fail to pay your taxes, stern faced men with guns AND badges will eventually show up at your door to take you to jail. And that, is not a fiction.
Stef, the Pope actually spits on your arsehole to make you better. It involves a gold leaf and velvet, inverting chair with a hole in the seat, copious amounts of holy water, and the chanting of "Benedictus excrucius retium amadeus".
No offense, Canadian redundant over bloviating dude, but I don't know you from any of the other dirt balls who want to crash our system so they can profit. From the scum who are being paid to spread propaganda and help the cause of the Globalists to pluck the US plumb. The provda effort is absolutely massive. One thing, when the S hits the F, God help those who traded us for some money, it will not be forgotten ... and that won't be fantasy time. The world isn't big enough
Don't be in such a hurry for the system to crash, those who live in the US. It's not like the government, & Obama especially who are working to crash the economy. It's been a goal of everyone from his parents, mentors, organizations he works for, criminal contacts, ect ... to bring down the system. Now do you think once they do their thing they will just let you have it? Live in peace? Not on your life, this plumb is one Globalist have been waiting with baited breath to pluck for over a century.
@omegahpla I mean it's not like they are just going to let you have the resources of the country. The feds own 90% of the west, and that's going to be something they want because of all those resources they won't allow to be taken now, they will probably go after it later and become hugely rich off of it, on top of the wealth they are building looting the country right now.
Not bad concepts, but OMG you are such a redundant incredible windbag! lol
No bill generated outside of my Constitution obligates me, that's my deal, kinda like your deal.
AND if you are going to go into depth on this stuff, do some study. Tax increased do not increase revenue, it's an empirically proven fact. Study the Laffer Curve or however you spell it.
It's not "the system" that needs to go, it's the illegal acts of the governing against the Constitution which are responsible.
You might want to check out some of Stefan Molyneux's other videos. The Constitution was great but in the end it failed, if it succeeded in its goal to restrain government then we wouldn't live in a Progressive-Fascist state that we are in now. And even in the 18th century the government still had a monopoly on things like roads and the post office.
And these 'globalists' always will exist because the system is corrupt. The weaker the government, the harder it is to bring tyranny.
@FlashVirus The easiest thing point out imperfections, because NOTHING IS PERFECT. It's intellectually lazy to say "it didn't work" because it was subverted by people ... when it's the best thing that the world has ever seen. The answer is to put it back in place & not allow circumvention again. I'm afraid anything good we get in this world is going to be a hell of a lot of work
Globalists will always exist. We should fight them
A better answer? Just pointing to flaws takes 0 intelligence
You don't understand our philosophy. If we are a voluntaryist nation then there wouldn't be any globalists, masons, or anyone pulling the strings behind the scenes. May be the Constitution is a great document (I don't think it is THAT great) but don't put a gun to my head and make me follow it, I didn't sign onto it. Let there be competing governments. Allow for competing currencies, competing letter-delivery businesses, etc.
Nothing is perfect, you're correct. But it isn't intellectually lazy to point out the negatives of a system. IGNORING the negatives is being intellectually lazy. I would argue the Articles of Confederation was a much better document than the Constitution, and the 1787 Convention killed the Republic. At least in a Voluntaryist society I could choose my own government. And no globalist, Socialist, Fascist, or anyone else has a monopoly.
@FlashVirus I whole heartedly agree that the weaker the government, the harder it is to bring tyranny. You can also got to far and leave yourself helpless against imperialist powers like China, Russia, UK, France, groups in the Middle East. Those anti war backers? Not the idiots they put in the streets, but the Globalists propagandizing the subject so things go their way ... would be the first to start a war if they could get what they wanted
Chanting block heads have no idea what supports them
11:00, while he didn't mention it would mean that likely, it would involve a massive printing of money. Which would be bad. But a time of poor economics and stuff in exchange for freedom? I can take that. :)
"Human Knowledge is not going to evaporate if the Government disappears"
YES! This is the idea that seems rampant in so many - "If no Government, how will we..." Every skill and ability that humans have gained are inserted there.
Where the hell did this idea come from that everything humans know, have learned and are capable of doing is dependent on the fucking government to be brought to fruition?
We really think that low of our fellow humans that, without murderous parents, we're impotent?
@Zen5012 : Without the government, gangs will start ruling the streets and eventually one all violent, cold blooded gang will take over everything and rule everyone.
I had someone tell me that, since people are generally bad, we need a government to keep order. They put a smiley on the end and, after saying damn near the same thing to them that I said to you, they told me theirs was because they had proven me wrong.
Fantastic, what clarity! There is nothing more powerful than an idea.
It's refreshing to know you are in Canada too. I myself am in British Columbia. I don't vote, watch TV, read newspapers, or buy into the crud that is daily attempted to be fed to me.
I use truth to navigate the pitfalls of our society and find that my level of discernment is far more powerful than any news broadcast has ever been. It's both fun and sad watching the "sheeple" run around living a false reality.
This is what I've been thinking for the last few years. I've started actually getting a little excited every time I hear these fools talk about another hundred billion dollar a year program they want to start.
I grin and cheer it and hope they wildly underestimated the amounts. The more they spend, the fatter and more gluttonous the Government gets, the faster its heart will choke on itself and die.
The work, what must be done now, is to prepare people to govern themselves when this falls.
@Zen5012 This I think is the answer too, the founding fathers of the USA basically realized the same thing. Power lies with the people, and this means local govt is meant to be the highest authority. Not bloated Fed govt. People are waking up to this, and people need to spread the word, get organized and try to take back local govt positions. In addition, or in case that fails, organize your family, friends, or neighbors and when/if economic collapse happens, you have a chance to rebuild.
I see a couple things preventing the world from moving from a collection of repressive states to a collection of individuals living in freedom. First, there is the lack of perfect information.
This enables unscrupulous individuals to exploit the ignorance of their countrymen to wage wars on other groups. It's the same mechanism that drives markets into irrational fear or exuberance. Second, freedom allows people to form groups, so as long as there are those willing to form groups, power will become concentrated and will work to oppress those who just want to be left alone. There's no way to stamp out the desire to belong to a group without also trampling the true freedom we desire.
There may be a way with technology to somewhat overcome the lack of perfect information, which is kind of what the internet is doing, but in its current form there will always be a small group who control the pipelines that allow us to share information. Being dependent on a small group of people in any capacity puts the entire world at risk of manipulation.
How to overcome the herd mentality that so many have is more difficult. Sure, some will be convinced if we simply lead by example, others can be reasoned with to see the truth, but there will always be those who identify along racial lines or religious lines.
Haha... you're horrible. But it's just so funny, I'm thinking of doing the same. It's true though, if the state collapses from all its debt, we all win, and we can't lose anymore because they just can't tax the average worker more.
The contract is the Pledge of Allegiance. We elected those who levy taxes on us. Yeah, they screwed us, but once we get pissed off enough to shut off the TV and put down the fritos, things will change. What you don't realize is that we are politically controlled by sexual liberation.
@Torakization This argument is going nowhere. I think a pledge mans something and you think it's worthless. Simple as that - just admit it, and move on.
Twisted analogy. If you believe that group pledges are worthless, I'm sure you would have no difficulty talking yourself out of a private pledge. As I said, you have no backbone; but keep your moral infection to yourself.
No, the Pledge of Allegiance is not a contract. There is no such contract.
If two men with machine guns broke into your house and forced you to choose one of them at gunpoint to steal half of your money every week... could you really be said to be choosing to pay whichever one you end up picking? I think any rational person would say not, regardless of what the money is used for.
"I'm abandoning free-market principles to save the free-market system."
George W. Bush (America's premier 21st century leader)
"Conversations around China have now shifted from discussing "capitalism with Chinese characteristics" to puzzling over "socialism with American characteristics". James A. Dorn, (CATO institute)
"public debt" or the "national debt", is the amount of money owed by the Federal government of the United States to holders of U.S. debt instruments. In total, lenders from Japan and China held 44% of the foreign-owned debt
Thomas Friedman has argued that increasing dependence on foreign sources of funding will render the U.S. less able to act independently.
The Medicare payouts already exceed program tax revenues These deficits require funding from other tax sources or borrowing.
Economics rules because we believe it does. China has defeated the US through financing. So after crippling debt "shreds and destroys...", will foreign military occupation follow to restore order? Folks might think carefully about this. After all, this has been the capitalist pattern exercised throughout the 20th century by the US. Is it any wonder that its the very means used. Remember, China is thousands of years old. Communism was a tiny glitch after British conquest and now they're back.
The US needs to just hurry up and crash already so the rebuilding can start and so that people can stop dying at the hands of the fascist murderers who call themselves soldier.
Wow, how come watching your videos is like a trip on shrooms or acid (not that I've done them...grin). You bring such peace and clarity to such a normally devastating topic of discussion. Thank you again... what a beautiful way to look at the debt, you're right... it's their problem... not ours.
You did not take your metaphor far enough Stefan, if the slave owners go bankrupt, the slaves are not freed from bondage. They are taken into new bondage as capital, to likely harsher conditions. Something to consider with your thoughts on China.
Answer this question: Where did you knowingly, willingly, being fully informed of the consequences, terms and conditions, give up the personal individual sovereignty you were born with?
I'm not botherd by national debt. its just one of the unfortunate concequences of living in an organised society.
I mean its better then being on my own, a hunter gather haveing to compeate with 5billion other recently turned huntergathers on a ruined planet and dying of starvation.
That argument might make sense, if there were something logically necessary about choosing to either be a hunter gatherer or have a national debt. But you're obviously presenting a false choice.
11. The reason you are colluding business and state is bc in modern day fascistic economy, private companies use the state as a tool to get ahead in the market. Large corporations often lobby the state for protectionist barriers to enrty in markets, subsidies, no-bid contracts, allowing their business to expand beyond market means.
I agree that we live under a shit system and many of your points are true "6. All those things you listed" roads, hospitals, police" are handled horribly." but I don't agree that free market is a better system, I don't think that it is even a workable system.
Also. The free market is not a "system." It's just used to describe what is, what emerges. Ppl pursue their self interests, but not through murder and theft, but cooperation, bc its less risky, and allows for specialization of labor. The market is just a word to define this phenomenon of human interaction. it's not corporate giants coming at, it's not Wall st. coming to rape you. Corporations as we know them today are direct products of the state
Why should we protect freedom by making sure nobody has it? That's essentially what statism is doing, and it's the most important point of view of the anarchy mindset. You have to understand balance. As an economist i know that you can't have a monopoly if people aren't uneducated ; which is a product of statism.If someone tries to grab too much power, he will be disposed as it goes against the well-being of the species. A contract is imaginary, is the state held accountable..
...is the state held accountable if a president is elect then lies to it's people? Of course not. So why would you rely on it to hold your contracts accountable against another individual if it is against it's own interests? And why invade when there is basically no need to? People would organise against disasters because it IS in their interest. Basically, you'd keep society the way it is, without the government mafia around. That's it.
I can rely on the state to hold contracts accountable to others as this DOES happen in real life i can see it with my eyes.
With out the government if i get murdered in my sleep no-one with try and catch the killer.
who is going to organise against dissasters if its not in there interest ? well its not in my interest to help you if your house gets destroyed. how is it? there are thousands of starving childeren in africa do you think I or you give a sh*t obviosly not other wise you would help
The only reason big companies decide anything is through coersion of the government , blackmailing or bribery. I know how financial markets work and you won't succeed at making me beleive that regulators are exempt from corruption, that's just idiotic. We NEVER EVER HAD a free market, because... i won't bother explaining because clearly you have no economic understanding.You grossly undervalue the power of information and the power of humans to adapt. Which we have, why be held back by a state?
I'd much rather have the wild wild west than have a tilted playing field that some dudes made up bullshit rules that advantages nobody but themselves. You can't choose your government that's why they have an army, why do you think people attack the private companies? Because they can't defend themselves, people are bullies because they have no idea where to turn to. And you can't grow big if people realize how terrible you are.
You are not going to debate me as i can see that you are unable to make a valid point.
If as you say i dont know the first thing about the world you would easily be able to shoot down my arguments logically and using evidence.
But you are unable to do so, saying to me that ether i am right or that you have no knowledge of what you are talking about or you lack the ability to use logic and reason.
It's not that i can't it's that i don't want to get into a debate with someone who clearly thinks the government is an institution for the people. If it's corrupt here, can't it be that it's just as corrupt anywhere else? that's why i don't want to debate with you, because i would need to shift your whole ideology so that you understand what is going on, rather than shit that was crammed in your head. I don't take what people tell me at face value, so don't give me that cornball horseshit.
Haha im sorry if i gave you that impression. I am anti government but i believe that the government can be changed just as easily as you chose you your telephone or electricity company.
and that the government is decisions are made by business men any way (Bribery).
To me, private company and the government rip me off the same so what would be the difference of having free market.
The difference being one is an extortion racket and one influences the extortion racket to raise forced barriers to entry to secure it's hegemony in the market. States hold monopolies on the use of force with a geographic area. Firms not bound by geography, competing for consumers for force will keep each other in check. The best way to keep businessmen from going after you is to eliminate the monopoly on who points the guns, and set them against each other.
Shit happens, learn to cope with it. Doesn't mean that you should jail yourself in because YOU're afraid to step into the real world. You and i have a family, we help each other don't we? So does theirs. The problem in africa is not the same, though. They are deliberately kept poor on purpose. Sides, there is no research to back up what you say because nobody had the balls to try it. You just take for granted that people can't think for themselves, that's the idea the statists force you to adopt
Everybody sick of the de facto United States, please google PAC In Law (dot) (org). There is one lawful way out of this mess. I tool it. Contact me for more info.
brothab06 2 months ago
The contract that binds people to the debt, is when they are coerced into signing a 1040 tax form without realizing that they are contracting with the State and bound by the rules of the State , simply because they signed on the bottom line !
rolynstone48 2 months ago
@rolynstone48 You are right, but the contract is the 14th Amendment. Please see: redamendment (dot) (net).
brothab06 2 months ago
we are not a nation..we are a regional labor pool for the Industrialists...
Don't worry about the left wing or the right wing...worry about the bird who controls the flying..
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If they cant show you the contract, you show them the door... they show you the gun and we're back to square one. That aint no fantasy jack. Nothing new will come. The old stand bys will return and we will see WW3.
Malbrojia 3 months ago
Good stuff, Stefan, but would be even better if you were to stick with what you really know -- freedom, liberty, economics, etc. It's fine not to believe in anything "religious", but in this case as an example, you clearly do not know or understand the concept of original sin. As such, the simile with the national debt does not work.
swift4grizz 4 months ago
@swift4grizz I'd say the concept works in the respect that he's saying people are not inherently responsible for something that was not their fault
richardblabla 2 months ago 2
22 dislikes? Must be the slave owners.
BuRgEoNyT1 4 months ago
My life is already near zero ..... The propositions that SM advances jumble me into even more chaotic mind fugue. He is right .... I don't like it. Seeing the truth makes me hurl snakes. I will lay in warm gel and expire, Life is simply too tricky for me to puzzle out. I am too weak. thanks for pointing this out ... SM
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cedricpod 5 months ago
@cedricpod move to china. in about 20-30 years, it's gonna be cool there
vtran31 3 months ago
We may not have signed any contracts but we've all massively benefited from the increasing debit, including the man in the video above. To say that we're not responsible for our slave masters going bankrupt is misleading. True, it wasn't something we voted for, but we all reaped the benefits for many years.
I agree with the points made in the video but I also accept a certain degree of moral responsibility for the debt. If YOU don't, then you're in denial about how sweet we've had it until now.
studioviper 5 months ago
@studioviper so what if we reaped the benefits? does not change the logic. does not change the morality. for example, even if a slavemaster were to use some of his debt to buy food for the slaves does not mean that the slave is any more obligated to the slavemaster
nurbSoldier 4 months ago
@nurbSoldier hell na nigga, you trippen!
robbertpec 4 months ago
since this video came out, the debt is still growing! nothing happened.
walteregeaux 6 months ago
This guy is the real life V(for vendetta) ! This broadcast should be shown on nationwide TV!
jf1325 6 months ago
There are papers signed that say a "person" is responsible for it. Even the form called the "vote" is nothing more than saying you give up your God-given rights to these reptiles in DC. Don't vote anymore. Unregister your vote. By signing on that dotted line, you are giving your consent for them to continue their thievery. They use so many slimy tactics that it takes a long time to get out of it. SSN? It's really a contract number to banksters. TWEA of '17 and '33.
chop98 6 months ago
Freedom is the ability to say "NO!" and make it stick.
MrAnomilus 6 months ago 13
Do you not worry that long before you'll ever utter the triumphant words "there's the door asshole" they will have all of us on our broken knees, hungry and cold.
And that'd only be if we're not suffocated by noxious gas or nuclear dust?
SeabrightTrading 6 months ago
THE SOLUTION Everyone living in United States knows that our country is in trouble. We are headed towards civil unrest and rioting in the streets similar to what is happening in Greece and other areas of the world. It is almost as if there is a dooms day scenario about to unfold and our leaders are saying run up the deficit. Who cares what our National Debt is because the world is about to end and we will never have to pay it back. Let us put on our Nostradamus thinking caps! Imagine ourse
mynation123 7 months ago
"it's an evil institution, we're not responsible for it, and it must go"
AAAAAAMEN!
RevolutionaryJam 7 months ago 21
I've given up on the money game. It's the cause of all these problems, and we'll never solve them as long as we're trapped in a monetary system. Painfully obvious, isn't it? The inherent corruption is so rampant, and the consumption cycle is so destructive to the environment. It's unsustainable at this point in time. We've entered a new era, but we're still holding on to things that don't serve us anymore.
dvmovie 8 months ago
You say WE didn't cause this debt or vote for it or sign any contracts - but we DO sign a contract with the State every time we file our taxes by signing a W2 form !
It is difficult to insist that we are free, when the impending reality is that we are truly slaves, and we (the people) are just tradeable commodities in a game of power and control between competing corporate banking elites who have tremendous leverage in controling their stock with belligerant force !
rolynstone48 8 months ago
@rolynstone48 Contracts signed at the point of a gun are useless pieces of paper.
hallavast 7 months ago 2
.......He's dead jim
PwnerGeist 8 months ago
We live under statism whether we like it or not, and there will be serious repercussions for the average working person if the government has a debt crisis. if you care about how people's lives are affected by these you would say something productive rather than keeping your mind and apathy in a theoretical seminar and forgetting the real working people of the world.
LiberalCast 9 months ago
The problem is a power vacuum tends to be filled by ruthless people who control the world's resources, the monetary system is one angle of this. There needs to be a representative system in place to prevent monopolies (thats just for starters), or we'll end up with a repeat of 19th century conditions.
darthbandon10 9 months ago
Very much enjoyed this. Good for a laugh. But, I have to tell you, if you think China holds control over the U.S. economy because it owns our debt, you need a basic lesson in monetary theory, the reserve currency and political hegemony. The U.S. owns China. Period. Politics is a game of power and you need to understand what is going on in the world to appreciate that fact. If this system fails, and it will, the U.S. economy will once again ROAR
123BDG123 10 months ago
Fiat justitia ruat coelum
RandallSteen 11 months ago
In a nutshell what Steph is saying is that external authority is a hoax. All governments are force-backed. Governments only exist because we allow them to exist by our continued belief in them. It's all fiction. That's why they have to convert your flesh and blood man/woman body into a 'person' designated by the name appearing in ALL CAPITAL LETTERS. Capitis Diminutio Maxima - a maximum loss of status through the use of capitalization. The driver's license, credit card bill, is not your debt.
AceOfHeart2012 11 months ago
People need to learn how to free themselves. The slave masters definitely don't know how to free themselves.
beancube2010 11 months ago
Why can the money be fake the block and access for everybody? Let's see civilization as ideas instead of domination.
beancube2010 11 months ago
at least 80,000 people agree...
check out the zeitgeist movement on facebook!
amandine512 11 months ago
if we cant go back to the system of goverment that works for the good of the people then it should and will collapse, its natural law, unavoidable.
jerryjamify 11 months ago
I don't want this to be a "does God exist or not discussion" so I'll make my point short. I totally agree with what this guy is saying he is dead on. I also really agree with this idea that people are beginning to have that "why do we need a government at all?" I think that is what our founding fathers were getting at with creating a limited government where the people were loyal to a set of common beliefs rather than individuals. I do ask this question though....
marimbanator 11 months ago
@marimbanator
I think the whole reason people decided to have governments to begin with is because uncivilized people of the past found strength in numbers. Somehow we in the present age believe that we have become more enlightened and that uncivilized behavior won't happen if people are allowed to do what they want to do. Humans will support themselves by their own ingenuity and individuals will mind their own personal business. Society will function in harmony as people feed off each other
marimbanator 11 months ago
@marimbanator
This assumption that people will get along is based on the idea that everyone believes in some sort of basic moral law. If there is some basic moral law that is inherent in everyone it makes sense that there is a moral law giver.. or some moral force that, when followed perfectly, holds personal relationships in perfect harmony. I think the God of the Bible is this force that binds things together. ... I apologize for getting off track from the video.
marimbanator 11 months ago
i love the way so called conservatives think Ronald Reagan was the greatest U.S. president ever. like stefbot basically said, it started during the Reagan years and has escalated ever since.
TheValkyrie700 11 months ago
I really wish I could get people to watch this who refuse to believe what is before their very eyes everyday. Alas I have given up on them.Time to look after you and yours. Buy precious metals if you can. Even just a little bit because soon all that paper money wil be totally worthless. Non-perishable food is a good investment too. Be prepared or get caught with your pants down.
mashj50 11 months ago
I'm really happy to hear such a clear description about this. I hope this government does die out, and whatever emerges is honest and celebrates our true rights as people
Flacktastic 11 months ago
I'd been waiting for someone to say something of this nature.
I look forward to the death of the tyrannical government.
I only hope that what emerges is free of tyranny and 'coercion' through force.
I hope we are finally able to secure our natural rights.
iantmasters 11 months ago
You are more correct than you know about everything being a fiction.
Things will change, now will they change for the better? we can not say, but we can always try to improve the situation.
The money is collapsing, that is certain... the states will default... a statistical certainty as well.
So the question is.... What do we do in the mean time?
We should be replacing the system before it collapses.
Dre4dwolf 11 months ago
Couldn't agree more. Count me as a subscriber.
soonerdave01 11 months ago
Fantastic, what clarity! There is nothing more powerful than an idea.
It's refreshing to know you are in Canada too. I myself am in British Columbia. I don't vote, watch TV, read newspapers, or buy into the crud that is daily attempted to be fed to me.
I use truth to navigate the pitfalls of our society and find that my level of discernment is far more powerful than any news broadcast has ever been. It's both fun and sad watching the "sheeple" run around living a false reality.
MrSpiker357 11 months ago
Fantastic, what clarity! There is nothing more powerful than an idea.
It's refreshing to know you are in Canada too. I myself am in British Columbia. I don't vote, watch TV, read newspapers, or buy into the crud that is daily attempted to be fed to me.
I use truth to navigate the pitfalls of our society and find that my level of discernment is far more powerful than any news broadcast has ever been. It's both fun and sad watching the "sheeple" run around living a false reality.
MrSpiker357 11 months ago
We do not have to be a SLAVE when the irs sends you a letter saying you owe money send another letter to them say you DO NOT OWE ANYTHING TO THEM!
I rather live in a CAVE them be a Slave.
Oceanno69 11 months ago
heres my reaction to this video. here we go again....... hmmmm....mmmmm......mhmmm.... yeah it is.... SERIOUSLY..... omg exactly!! the way he explains is broken down very well and simple to understand from a completely different point of view awesome! V for victory!!! R for RonPaul!!
ty for video
thisshitrighthereee 11 months ago
7:50 If the slave owner goes bankrupt, his creditors don't go to the slaves for repayment, they sell the slaves. Contract? Slaves are not party to any contract.
ignoblius 11 months ago
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ignoblius 11 months ago
Nice one Molyneux!
I'm with you mate :o)
It's so bloody obvious when you see it.
Love.
pimpdarlin 1 year ago
So how much do you want to bet that the people asked to show you the contract will pull out the long debunked "Social Contract"?
vspqbd 1 year ago
Thank you for waking me.
londonkev 1 year ago
I'm glad I don't have to pay the debt. So what if I'm paying smaller amounts through taxes, it's going to crash soon. I'm glad they are going to crash. It is all a state of mind and we can pull our heads from the question "How are we going to pay off the debt.!!!" We don't need to !! =) Love you stef.
TheJovanist 1 year ago
what about a case of "repo"...that is to say when the creditor seizes the debtors property?...think you own your home?..you are listed as "tenant" on your deed if you live in the U.S...will our military be purchased at auction by china?...as slaves are we considered "property" and can said property change hands?...will we be torn from our friends and families to work on a different plantation?..because the old "masters" are now slaves due to their debt...meet the new boss..same as the old boss..
MARTIALLAWLESS 1 year ago
@patthespark I'm an artist, a Canadian artist and I'm with ya. The blue/red thing was hillarious and it goes to show you how silly the whole system is. All pseudo-intellectual nitwits collecting a paycheque to talk the talk. I hate ugly steel sculpture scattered all over the place too. The thing is, half the time their bosses are making fun of us all and laughing all the way to the slaughterhouse...
thbeautifulphatdaddy 1 year ago
Well... I'm fully with you on the debt, but you're missing the fact that when the slave master goes under the slave master's property(slaves) now belongs to the creditor. Who holds Canada's debt? who holds the American's?
Me thinks the Chinese are coming...
If that happends, our current enslavement will seem like a Utopia!
thbeautifulphatdaddy 1 year ago
@thbeautifulphatdaddy Guess what? Our Government LET it happen to us.
WOWISTOOADDICTING 7 months ago
EXACTLY!
Thank you very much!
EarthaKit2 1 year ago
When you signed your SS-5 as an "adult" you affirmed your mother's desire to wave all of your unalienable rights in exchange for the relative privileges and immunities provided by the state and you thereby agreed to pay the debt. Did they HAVE to inform you of the nature of the contract you signed? No, you were assumed to know what you were doing.
IamianaimaI 1 year ago
@IamianaimaI If so, the courts should be made to say so, publicly and explicitly. This alone will be a disaster for the banker's empire.
ignoblius 1 year ago
The contract you signed was your SS-5 and prior to that your mother signed an application for live birth in which she indicated that she wished to obtain for you a corporate personality (a "US Citizen") with which to conduct business in the public.
IamianaimaI 1 year ago
If all states were to Secede from the USA, that would leave Washington DC holding on to the national debt. Personally, I don't have a problem letting the treasury holders fight over dividing that swamp land up.
EnnoiaBlog 1 year ago
@EnnoiaBlog Yes, but you have to remember that in addition to the organic states (Pennsylvania, Michigan, etc.) there are federal enclaves known as PENNSYLVANIA (PA), MICHIGAN (MI) etc. which are simply corporations chartered from D.C., not states. These corporate entities are still beholden to the Federal "government" (a corporation established in 1871) unless and until they fulfill the contractual obligations they agreed to, such as paying the national debt, even if the organic states secede.
IamianaimaI 1 year ago
The Genesis story about the Garden of Eden, and the apple, is a symbolical parable about the role of lust in creating negative changes in the outer world-dream (manifestation), and any male can test that theory for himself. Dissing profound mythic stories such as that of Genesis is simply thoughtless.
DivineFellowship 1 year ago
this makes me think of "burgess meredith" in the twilight zone the obsolete man!! and the STATE that trys to control "YOU ARE OBSOLETE!!!
killcraz 1 year ago
Why didn't I think of this before? I guess I was too concerned over the future of my country and your children to see the obvious. It should be of prime importance to know that I have no children nor do I want any therefore I really should not care.
JulesManson 1 year ago
Feels great to see that the people are not all completely alienated by money.
To be honest, money has lied to and killed a lot more people than religion did.
wswRiP 1 year ago
@koabarra Here is the way I understand it. With the current legal system, no one is really responsible because a "corporation" doesn't actually exist, but it has more rights than you or me. "Limited liability"
hardeez1 1 year ago
aside from that you are correct. but what most whites fail to realize is that PARASITE sub-humans DONT THINK THIS WAY, they arent optimistic reasonable white humans. north america is going to look like third world africa. all you soft hearted civil rights activists are going to shit yourselves, when you see the brutality of reality. you're going to wish you never cheered for civil rights for subhumans, as they are tearing into your house looking for food as they raep your wife and children.
niggersLOVEjenkem 1 year ago
WRONG. the problem was ending slavery and not sending nigs back to africa. now they run loose and breed and the j'ews use this to their advantage to destroy america. you are a soft hearted british man. it's not a fantasy. it's reality. as real as a steel blade that uncle sham's ZOG troops are going to thrust into your heart when you refuse to pay into the system. the next war will not be about open arms and love, it will be more bloody and brutal than any war, because the population is huge
niggersLOVEjenkem 1 year ago
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You show me the contract, or I'll show you the door. Just then they pull out the loan promissory note for your home that made you a part of the national debt.
namebrandaddikt 1 year ago
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namebrandaddikt 1 year ago
a brilliant and true analysis. people that cannot think as free people wil never act as free people. wonderful work in piercing the veil!
knowthingman 1 year ago
Hilarious! Stef is genius and we will get to understand this eventually, I hope.
wilster200 1 year ago
might be the dumbest economic argument i have ever heard.
mpbaker22 1 year ago
@mpbaker22 While offering no reasons, you sure convinced me.
ihaterobbie123 1 year ago
@ihaterobbie123 not sure if that was sarcastic or not. But, the government obviously owes tons of money. At the same time, we have to pay taxes, and the debt affects us. So, clearly we have to pay it off. Government doesn't just get money from nowhere. This guy is pretty much a giant dumbass.
mpbaker22 1 year ago
@mpbaker22 He's arguing for anarchism, we erase the state, we erase the debt as there's nobody who directly owns it.
"The debt is preserved with the state" would be a crude paraphrase. If you think about it it's actually true. It's not as if half of the world is rubbing their fingers together because the developed countries crashed. We owe a debt to people who owe a debt to people who owe a debt to us. All this time "people" and "we/us" is only the states we preserve.
ihaterobbie123 1 year ago
@mpbaker22 It really is a case of tilting at windmills, we've already crashed and are still trying to convince ourselves we're doing anything constructive.
ihaterobbie123 1 year ago
@mpbaker22 when th e government comes a knockin, you get to movin to canada. I'm sure as hell not going to pay that debt.
sniped101 1 year ago
@mpbaker22
We only have to pay off THEIR debt because they will send armies of men with guns to our doors if we do not.
Did you ever sign a single voluntary contract for a single penny that the government has borrowed from either foreign nations or the "federal reserve"?
No, you did not. Therefore, by any reasonable common law interpretation, it is not YOUR debt.
You can go out and rack up credit cards then force your neighbor to pay it at gunpoint - doesn't mean it's HIS debt, does it?
Zen5012 1 year ago
Bit naive, no? How do I just tell the feds that I'm not responsible for the debt when they have the POWER to raise my taxes, REGARDLESS of whether I'm literally responsible for the debt or not. We WILL pay whether we like it or not. Wishful thinking friend
ultralight1959 1 year ago
I respect this man's passion, but he is economically illiterate.
cuntylishus 1 year ago
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@cuntylishus
Care to prove that or are we just sitting on open statements with nothing backing them up?
"I respect this man's passion, but he is economically illiterate." Come on, there's gotta be something more than just that......right?
Zen5012 1 year ago
While technically correct, the author possibly forgets that, at the end of the day,should you fail to pay your taxes, stern faced men with guns AND badges will eventually show up at your door to take you to jail. And that, is not a fiction.
rawmuse 1 year ago
Mind blowing. I don't know what else to say
kolista 1 year ago
haha@ "looking a little bit like a corpse"
alennna 1 year ago
Stef, the Pope actually spits on your arsehole to make you better. It involves a gold leaf and velvet, inverting chair with a hole in the seat, copious amounts of holy water, and the chanting of "Benedictus excrucius retium amadeus".
Valelacerte 1 year ago
No offense, Canadian redundant over bloviating dude, but I don't know you from any of the other dirt balls who want to crash our system so they can profit. From the scum who are being paid to spread propaganda and help the cause of the Globalists to pluck the US plumb. The provda effort is absolutely massive. One thing, when the S hits the F, God help those who traded us for some money, it will not be forgotten ... and that won't be fantasy time. The world isn't big enough
omegahpla 1 year ago
Don't be in such a hurry for the system to crash, those who live in the US. It's not like the government, & Obama especially who are working to crash the economy. It's been a goal of everyone from his parents, mentors, organizations he works for, criminal contacts, ect ... to bring down the system. Now do you think once they do their thing they will just let you have it? Live in peace? Not on your life, this plumb is one Globalist have been waiting with baited breath to pluck for over a century.
omegahpla 1 year ago
@omegahpla I mean it's not like they are just going to let you have the resources of the country. The feds own 90% of the west, and that's going to be something they want because of all those resources they won't allow to be taken now, they will probably go after it later and become hugely rich off of it, on top of the wealth they are building looting the country right now.
omegahpla 1 year ago
Not bad concepts, but OMG you are such a redundant incredible windbag! lol
No bill generated outside of my Constitution obligates me, that's my deal, kinda like your deal.
AND if you are going to go into depth on this stuff, do some study. Tax increased do not increase revenue, it's an empirically proven fact. Study the Laffer Curve or however you spell it.
It's not "the system" that needs to go, it's the illegal acts of the governing against the Constitution which are responsible.
omegahpla 1 year ago
@omegahpla
You might want to check out some of Stefan Molyneux's other videos. The Constitution was great but in the end it failed, if it succeeded in its goal to restrain government then we wouldn't live in a Progressive-Fascist state that we are in now. And even in the 18th century the government still had a monopoly on things like roads and the post office.
And these 'globalists' always will exist because the system is corrupt. The weaker the government, the harder it is to bring tyranny.
FlashVirus 1 year ago
@FlashVirus The easiest thing point out imperfections, because NOTHING IS PERFECT. It's intellectually lazy to say "it didn't work" because it was subverted by people ... when it's the best thing that the world has ever seen. The answer is to put it back in place & not allow circumvention again. I'm afraid anything good we get in this world is going to be a hell of a lot of work
Globalists will always exist. We should fight them
A better answer? Just pointing to flaws takes 0 intelligence
omegahpla 1 year ago
@omegahpla
You don't understand our philosophy. If we are a voluntaryist nation then there wouldn't be any globalists, masons, or anyone pulling the strings behind the scenes. May be the Constitution is a great document (I don't think it is THAT great) but don't put a gun to my head and make me follow it, I didn't sign onto it. Let there be competing governments. Allow for competing currencies, competing letter-delivery businesses, etc.
FlashVirus 1 year ago
@omegahpla
Nothing is perfect, you're correct. But it isn't intellectually lazy to point out the negatives of a system. IGNORING the negatives is being intellectually lazy. I would argue the Articles of Confederation was a much better document than the Constitution, and the 1787 Convention killed the Republic. At least in a Voluntaryist society I could choose my own government. And no globalist, Socialist, Fascist, or anyone else has a monopoly.
FlashVirus 1 year ago
@FlashVirus I whole heartedly agree that the weaker the government, the harder it is to bring tyranny. You can also got to far and leave yourself helpless against imperialist powers like China, Russia, UK, France, groups in the Middle East. Those anti war backers? Not the idiots they put in the streets, but the Globalists propagandizing the subject so things go their way ... would be the first to start a war if they could get what they wanted
Chanting block heads have no idea what supports them
omegahpla 1 year ago
In short, WE are not the state.
Period.
Surhotchaperchlorome 1 year ago
11:00, while he didn't mention it would mean that likely, it would involve a massive printing of money. Which would be bad. But a time of poor economics and stuff in exchange for freedom? I can take that. :)
Surhotchaperchlorome 1 year ago
All government spending is pork, period.
Surhotchaperchlorome 1 year ago
The contract that was signed in the USA is the Social Security card making you liable for the debt via the 14th amendment. Read "The Red Amendment".
cchessmaster 1 year ago
Non violent, non compliant. I stand ready to be punished for committing NO crimes.
Just say NO.
CheeezMaster 1 year ago
Man - you really are a brave man. Thank you. I am indebted. November 2008. Where was I. Or should I say, are they all still there...
ulysseinvest 1 year ago
If we continue to print money pay unfunded liabilites the dollar will be worth shit and the economy will collapse.
Imagine we print everyone a million dollars for every family.
cutwagman 1 year ago
@cutwagman Paper is paper, nothing more nothing less. Your perception gives it value.
rawismore 1 year ago
You leave out common sense.
cutwagman 1 year ago
"Human Knowledge is not going to evaporate if the Government disappears"
YES! This is the idea that seems rampant in so many - "If no Government, how will we..." Every skill and ability that humans have gained are inserted there.
Where the hell did this idea come from that everything humans know, have learned and are capable of doing is dependent on the fucking government to be brought to fruition?
We really think that low of our fellow humans that, without murderous parents, we're impotent?
Zen5012 1 year ago 30
@Zen5012 : Without the government, gangs will start ruling the streets and eventually one all violent, cold blooded gang will take over everything and rule everyone.
And thats why we need a government ;)
f0b0m 1 year ago
@f0b0m
The internet is a terrible medium for expressing certain nuances of speech. I really, really, really hope this was meant as sarcasm.
If it was, then well done sir. Your first paragraph perfectly defines government.
If not, then I see Government Schools did their job quite well.
Zen5012 1 year ago
@Zen5012: The smiley was put in there for a reason :D
f0b0m 1 year ago
@f0b0m
I had someone tell me that, since people are generally bad, we need a government to keep order. They put a smiley on the end and, after saying damn near the same thing to them that I said to you, they told me theirs was because they had proven me wrong.
Since then I always check.
Zen5012 1 year ago
@Zen5012 : Fair enough...
f0b0m 1 year ago
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Fantastic, what clarity! There is nothing more powerful than an idea.
It's refreshing to know you are in Canada too. I myself am in British Columbia. I don't vote, watch TV, read newspapers, or buy into the crud that is daily attempted to be fed to me.
I use truth to navigate the pitfalls of our society and find that my level of discernment is far more powerful than any news broadcast has ever been. It's both fun and sad watching the "sheeple" run around living a false reality.
MrSpiker357 11 months ago
This is what I've been thinking for the last few years. I've started actually getting a little excited every time I hear these fools talk about another hundred billion dollar a year program they want to start.
I grin and cheer it and hope they wildly underestimated the amounts. The more they spend, the fatter and more gluttonous the Government gets, the faster its heart will choke on itself and die.
The work, what must be done now, is to prepare people to govern themselves when this falls.
Zen5012 1 year ago 27
@Zen5012 so.. does that mean i should vote democrat?
sniped101 1 year ago
@sniped101
Yes, absolutely. I wish you the best of luck.
Zen5012 1 year ago
@Zen5012 This I think is the answer too, the founding fathers of the USA basically realized the same thing. Power lies with the people, and this means local govt is meant to be the highest authority. Not bloated Fed govt. People are waking up to this, and people need to spread the word, get organized and try to take back local govt positions. In addition, or in case that fails, organize your family, friends, or neighbors and when/if economic collapse happens, you have a chance to rebuild.
D3mang3l 11 months ago
I see a couple things preventing the world from moving from a collection of repressive states to a collection of individuals living in freedom. First, there is the lack of perfect information.
flaunttnualf 1 year ago
This enables unscrupulous individuals to exploit the ignorance of their countrymen to wage wars on other groups. It's the same mechanism that drives markets into irrational fear or exuberance. Second, freedom allows people to form groups, so as long as there are those willing to form groups, power will become concentrated and will work to oppress those who just want to be left alone. There's no way to stamp out the desire to belong to a group without also trampling the true freedom we desire.
flaunttnualf 1 year ago
There may be a way with technology to somewhat overcome the lack of perfect information, which is kind of what the internet is doing, but in its current form there will always be a small group who control the pipelines that allow us to share information. Being dependent on a small group of people in any capacity puts the entire world at risk of manipulation.
flaunttnualf 1 year ago
How to overcome the herd mentality that so many have is more difficult. Sure, some will be convinced if we simply lead by example, others can be reasoned with to see the truth, but there will always be those who identify along racial lines or religious lines.
flaunttnualf 1 year ago
This is why I vote yes on everything. New roads? yes. New hospital? yes. Raise for the civil servants? yes.
Who will pay for it? Not us working class. we are already at maximum tax, evident by our lack of surplus. Whats our largest asset, a mortgage?
Either the holders of surplus will have to pay for some more services, or the system will fail. Win win if you ask me.
Torakization 1 year ago 3
Haha... you're horrible. But it's just so funny, I'm thinking of doing the same. It's true though, if the state collapses from all its debt, we all win, and we can't lose anymore because they just can't tax the average worker more.
N7a7v7i 1 year ago
The contract is the Pledge of Allegiance. We elected those who levy taxes on us. Yeah, they screwed us, but once we get pissed off enough to shut off the TV and put down the fritos, things will change. What you don't realize is that we are politically controlled by sexual liberation.
bammbamm12 1 year ago
Pledge of Allegiance? Wasn't that invented in the 1940's
Torakization 1 year ago
It's irrelevant when it was "invented", and as a matter of fact, I can neither affirm nor deny. What's relevant is when you took the pledge.
bammbamm12 1 year ago
It is relevant in that it was not a founding principal of the nation. Thats like telling hardcore republicans that they agree to social security.
Group pledges spoken in unison and conducted with the clout of peer pressure are unamerican nor are they admissible.
Torakization 1 year ago
@Torakization This argument is going nowhere. I think a pledge mans something and you think it's worthless. Simple as that - just admit it, and move on.
bammbamm12 1 year ago
A unilateral verbal chant of cohesion is worthless.
You keep saying that like we have said this vow. well prove it.... not that it matters. Your the only one hearing the tree falling in the forest.
Torakization 1 year ago
Twisted analogy. If you believe that group pledges are worthless, I'm sure you would have no difficulty talking yourself out of a private pledge. As I said, you have no backbone; but keep your moral infection to yourself.
bammbamm12 1 year ago
@bammbamm12 personal attacks and a slippery slope? Golf Clap !
Torakization 1 year ago
No, the Pledge of Allegiance is not a contract. There is no such contract.
If two men with machine guns broke into your house and forced you to choose one of them at gunpoint to steal half of your money every week... could you really be said to be choosing to pay whichever one you end up picking? I think any rational person would say not, regardless of what the money is used for.
N7a7v7i 1 year ago
@N7a7v7i Amazing that you need machine guns to create your analogy.
bammbamm12 1 year ago
"I'm abandoning free-market principles to save the free-market system."
George W. Bush (America's premier 21st century leader)
"Conversations around China have now shifted from discussing "capitalism with Chinese characteristics" to puzzling over "socialism with American characteristics". James A. Dorn, (CATO institute)
kokopelli314 2 years ago
"public debt" or the "national debt", is the amount of money owed by the Federal government of the United States to holders of U.S. debt instruments. In total, lenders from Japan and China held 44% of the foreign-owned debt
Thomas Friedman has argued that increasing dependence on foreign sources of funding will render the U.S. less able to act independently.
The Medicare payouts already exceed program tax revenues These deficits require funding from other tax sources or borrowing.
kokopelli314 2 years ago
Economics rules because we believe it does. China has defeated the US through financing. So after crippling debt "shreds and destroys...", will foreign military occupation follow to restore order? Folks might think carefully about this. After all, this has been the capitalist pattern exercised throughout the 20th century by the US. Is it any wonder that its the very means used. Remember, China is thousands of years old. Communism was a tiny glitch after British conquest and now they're back.
kokopelli314 2 years ago
The US needs to just hurry up and crash already so the rebuilding can start and so that people can stop dying at the hands of the fascist murderers who call themselves soldier.
kimdaviscali 2 years ago
Wow, how come watching your videos is like a trip on shrooms or acid (not that I've done them...grin). You bring such peace and clarity to such a normally devastating topic of discussion. Thank you again... what a beautiful way to look at the debt, you're right... it's their problem... not ours.
kimdaviscali 2 years ago
You did not take your metaphor far enough Stefan, if the slave owners go bankrupt, the slaves are not freed from bondage. They are taken into new bondage as capital, to likely harsher conditions. Something to consider with your thoughts on China.
trueseeing 2 years ago
The question is, are we slaves or are we in a condition of vountary servitude?
The 13th Amendment outlawed slavery.
newgtguy 2 years ago
The 13th Amendment didn't outlaw government run slavery
masonkiller666 2 years ago
It didn't outlaw voluntary slavery via citizenship.
It did outlaw slavery. Involuntary servitude shall not exist. Seems pretty straight forward to me.
The 14th Amendment created a condition of voluntary servitude known as citizenship (subjects).
newgtguy 2 years ago
It's not very voluntary...
masonkiller666 2 years ago
Actually, being a citizen is very voluntary.
Answer this question: Where did you knowingly, willingly, being fully informed of the consequences, terms and conditions, give up the personal individual sovereignty you were born with?
newgtguy 2 years ago
I didn't do so. When I was in my mothers womb I was handed no such contract.
masonkiller666 2 years ago
I'm not botherd by national debt. its just one of the unfortunate concequences of living in an organised society.
I mean its better then being on my own, a hunter gather haveing to compeate with 5billion other recently turned huntergathers on a ruined planet and dying of starvation.
Annetjie 2 years ago
That argument might make sense, if there were something logically necessary about choosing to either be a hunter gatherer or have a national debt. But you're obviously presenting a false choice.
foolcow1976 2 years ago
What does being a hunter gatherer have to do with having a national debt owed to a private company (the FED) which creates money out of nothing?
newgtguy 2 years ago 3
They didn't kill Socrates. He chose to die. =)
MrHuzzah 2 years ago
I dont need a dictionary to know what they are, i use my eyes and look at the world around me.
Of course there are differences im just saying the similaritys outweigh the differences in the points that are being made in this chat.
itsfreeandeasy123456 2 years ago
11. The reason you are colluding business and state is bc in modern day fascistic economy, private companies use the state as a tool to get ahead in the market. Large corporations often lobby the state for protectionist barriers to enrty in markets, subsidies, no-bid contracts, allowing their business to expand beyond market means.
ThePintsizeslasher 2 years ago
I agree that we live under a shit system and many of your points are true "6. All those things you listed" roads, hospitals, police" are handled horribly." but I don't agree that free market is a better system, I don't think that it is even a workable system.
itsfreeandeasy123456 2 years ago
Also. The free market is not a "system." It's just used to describe what is, what emerges. Ppl pursue their self interests, but not through murder and theft, but cooperation, bc its less risky, and allows for specialization of labor. The market is just a word to define this phenomenon of human interaction. it's not corporate giants coming at, it's not Wall st. coming to rape you. Corporations as we know them today are direct products of the state
ThePintsizeslasher 2 years ago
God damn stefbot, you nailed it like nobody i know could have! I am learning alot from you, i'll get your books :)
ExquisiteDoom 2 years ago
stefbot, do you think you can have a free market system without a government?
itsfreeandeasy123456 2 years ago
We can only have a free market system without government...
stefbot 2 years ago 6
Well what is going to prevent monopolies?
Prevent invasion?
Some people always want power how would a free market prevent people trying to take power?
How and why would people organise against natural disasters unless it was in there personal interest?
Who would ensure people hold true to there contractual agreements?
Finally my main question do you think a free market system can exist?(other then on a small scale)
itsfreeandeasy123456 2 years ago
Those are all good questions, you might want to check out my free books on anarchy, available on my website...
stefbot 2 years ago 4
Why should we protect freedom by making sure nobody has it? That's essentially what statism is doing, and it's the most important point of view of the anarchy mindset. You have to understand balance. As an economist i know that you can't have a monopoly if people aren't uneducated ; which is a product of statism.If someone tries to grab too much power, he will be disposed as it goes against the well-being of the species. A contract is imaginary, is the state held accountable..
ExquisiteDoom 2 years ago
...is the state held accountable if a president is elect then lies to it's people? Of course not. So why would you rely on it to hold your contracts accountable against another individual if it is against it's own interests? And why invade when there is basically no need to? People would organise against disasters because it IS in their interest. Basically, you'd keep society the way it is, without the government mafia around. That's it.
ExquisiteDoom 2 years ago
I can rely on the state to hold contracts accountable to others as this DOES happen in real life i can see it with my eyes.
With out the government if i get murdered in my sleep no-one with try and catch the killer.
who is going to organise against dissasters if its not in there interest ? well its not in my interest to help you if your house gets destroyed. how is it? there are thousands of starving childeren in africa do you think I or you give a sh*t obviosly not other wise you would help
itsfreeandeasy123456 2 years ago
what you want is the wild west.
in a free market the rich will get richer and the poor will get poorer at the same rate or faster as is now.
if the suddgestion is to have companies instead of government well what is the difference
you can chose what companies provide your services just like you can choose your government
one person cant support a protection company nor a government
the larger or richer the person or company is the bigger there say in matters that effect everyone
itsfreeandeasy123456 2 years ago
the big companies will decide whats what and if you dont like it you can go to a different contrie
countrys and companies are interchangable they both have the say in the dessions that happen that effect you.
if i free market worked why is there none anymore
surely the cave men did not have any
they traded based on what was the best deal some people hunt while others grow food
why did this evolve into modern government?
itsfreeandeasy123456 2 years ago
The only reason big companies decide anything is through coersion of the government , blackmailing or bribery. I know how financial markets work and you won't succeed at making me beleive that regulators are exempt from corruption, that's just idiotic. We NEVER EVER HAD a free market, because... i won't bother explaining because clearly you have no economic understanding.You grossly undervalue the power of information and the power of humans to adapt. Which we have, why be held back by a state?
ExquisiteDoom 2 years ago
There is good reason we have NEVER EVER HAD a free market it wont work, if it did it would be here.
Oh i see you cant fight my arguments so you are now attacking me. good work.
Make some points and back them up, try baseing them on logic and reasoning.
itsfreeandeasy123456 2 years ago
I'd much rather have the wild wild west than have a tilted playing field that some dudes made up bullshit rules that advantages nobody but themselves. You can't choose your government that's why they have an army, why do you think people attack the private companies? Because they can't defend themselves, people are bullies because they have no idea where to turn to. And you can't grow big if people realize how terrible you are.
ExquisiteDoom 2 years ago
you can choose your governments you can go to different countrys (can you not).
if your chosen form of government (company ) has enough voters (subscribers) it will come to power
big buissness controle the government (who paid for obamas election campain?
itsfreeandeasy123456 2 years ago
yea, okay i can't possibly debate someone who doesn,t know the first thing about the world. Have your own debate.
ExquisiteDoom 2 years ago
You are not going to debate me as i can see that you are unable to make a valid point.
If as you say i dont know the first thing about the world you would easily be able to shoot down my arguments logically and using evidence.
But you are unable to do so, saying to me that ether i am right or that you have no knowledge of what you are talking about or you lack the ability to use logic and reason.
itsfreeandeasy123456 2 years ago
It's not that i can't it's that i don't want to get into a debate with someone who clearly thinks the government is an institution for the people. If it's corrupt here, can't it be that it's just as corrupt anywhere else? that's why i don't want to debate with you, because i would need to shift your whole ideology so that you understand what is going on, rather than shit that was crammed in your head. I don't take what people tell me at face value, so don't give me that cornball horseshit.
ExquisiteDoom 2 years ago
Haha im sorry if i gave you that impression. I am anti government but i believe that the government can be changed just as easily as you chose you your telephone or electricity company.
and that the government is decisions are made by business men any way (Bribery).
To me, private company and the government rip me off the same so what would be the difference of having free market.
itsfreeandeasy123456 2 years ago
The difference being one is an extortion racket and one influences the extortion racket to raise forced barriers to entry to secure it's hegemony in the market. States hold monopolies on the use of force with a geographic area. Firms not bound by geography, competing for consumers for force will keep each other in check. The best way to keep businessmen from going after you is to eliminate the monopoly on who points the guns, and set them against each other.
ThePintsizeslasher 2 years ago
Shit happens, learn to cope with it. Doesn't mean that you should jail yourself in because YOU're afraid to step into the real world. You and i have a family, we help each other don't we? So does theirs. The problem in africa is not the same, though. They are deliberately kept poor on purpose. Sides, there is no research to back up what you say because nobody had the balls to try it. You just take for granted that people can't think for themselves, that's the idea the statists force you to adopt
ExquisiteDoom 2 years ago