space and time limitations finish this! I know there is much to debate and to clear up, and am all-too-aware of the problems of what I have just written. But I do ask that we try to get (back) in touch with the impulse of beauty, of love of form, communication of what is deepest and most personal... get in touch with them, share them, live under their spell...
different from what they had originally written. This kind of thing - making generalities about art and creativity and performance - is obviously inexact and subjective, but I do want to advocate for the performer who errs on the side of conviction, feeling, sense of beauty. And to remind all of us that art is not about accuracy and scholarship. It is about life, love, beauty, form, elegance, feeling, wonder.... Historians, pedagogues, accountants, scientists are more about rules, accuracy etc.
Artists, whether painters or composers, are dealing with Beauty, Form and Feeling. Not as if set in stone, but it seems to be something like that, in general.
If there is an interpreter who brings forth a performance of his or her work, and it of filled with beauty, or deep feeling, or an amazing sense of overall design, I think that that creator will feel, at least to some extent, happy or satisfied, even if a dynamic or phrase was different than he (ok, I will follow the new norm "they")
There is truth to some comments' taking issue with tempi, romanticism, etc.
The idea of being "true to a composer" is problematic at best. This recording is great, and its value, as with other work by Toscanini, lies in its power, humanity, intensity, clarity, beauty, artistry... These words and ideas are all of course, mostly not concrete or descriptive in some objective way, but I think there is a sense of aliveness and sharpness, of sheer beauty, that overwhelms any perceived "flaws"
there are no muted horns in mozart, not in this symphony anyway, and this recording is not of a live performance but made in the studio (8-h, of course) in 1938.
@GermanOperaSinger While this recording does have a lot of "romantic" overtones, there is also a lot of the "classical" element that Toscanini brings out which is why this recording is so good.
He eschews the strings playing thick and heavy vibrato; the string's musicality is all done by bowing and attack which is a correct performance practice. Toscanini largely (but not entirely) gets the basic rhythm correct and timing of the piece, right, too.
Toscanini's interpretations are always stunning but what surprises me even more every time are the tempos...something you maybe wouldn't expect but something so different and so much better to listen to. Thanks very much!
This was definitely a fresh and innovative approach to Mozart's Symphony No. 40. It really should be more dramatic and animated; we now know that the composer's health was beginning to fail and he only had three more years to live. The three symphonies Mozart wrote in 1788, including this one, were his final symphonic works. Toscanini excelled in this music; I feel it is better than his later recording of the symphony. I shows that Studio 8-H could have good sound, too.
There are these small moments like the intense slur of the violins in some parts which really add mood and underline the Mozart's genius. I'm fascinated ! Karajan's tempo on this is like a boat sailing on the waves. And maestro Toscanini's lead is like a light slide on a very smooth ice :D
...an added benefit..after first hearing the Toscanini version of this work, about 1962, whenever I hear it, I always hear the Toscanini version, nomatter what version it is.......this is THE version for me.......
How a conductor can make a melody any different as it was written by the composer?I have heard this symphony by several differnt conductors and I can't tell the difference.
Growing up listening to Reiner, Leinsdorf, Ormandy, Bernstein,etc., I kept wondering what am I missing. I concluded that classical music was supposed to be boring; that's the way people wanted it. Only in old age have I come to hear Toscanini's recordings. Listening to him conduct is like seeing a Van Gogh painting for the first time, after nothing but reproductions. Everything comes into focus. You suddenly know why the horns in one section are muted, preparing for the strings 9 bars later.
@eblackadder3 In my opinion this is undoubtedly the finest g minor ever. No one brings the pathos to that opening like Toscanini in this (live, by the way) performance. After the war his performances became almost too taut and so many of us onliy knew him from those recordings. Thanks for posting
indeed an exceptional recording. Somehow to me Toscanini was hardly the Mozart man, but in this recording the Toscaninian sound melded with Mozart really yields a wonderful effect. Unseen in the later rather orthodox interpretations.
I agree. I think Toscanni really knows what he is doing with the melody and base melody and wow! This is just my opinion, but Toscanini had an exceptional feeling for climax and perfect melody control or interpretative powers. Am I wrong?
P.S.And anyone who says Mozart is just butterflies and fields (I know someone who has haha) is really kidding themselves. This stuff is great!
Wonderful!!!
marian444 3 months ago
space and time limitations finish this! I know there is much to debate and to clear up, and am all-too-aware of the problems of what I have just written. But I do ask that we try to get (back) in touch with the impulse of beauty, of love of form, communication of what is deepest and most personal... get in touch with them, share them, live under their spell...
RedCloudBeechWaveAhh 5 months ago
different from what they had originally written. This kind of thing - making generalities about art and creativity and performance - is obviously inexact and subjective, but I do want to advocate for the performer who errs on the side of conviction, feeling, sense of beauty. And to remind all of us that art is not about accuracy and scholarship. It is about life, love, beauty, form, elegance, feeling, wonder.... Historians, pedagogues, accountants, scientists are more about rules, accuracy etc.
RedCloudBeechWaveAhh 5 months ago
Artists, whether painters or composers, are dealing with Beauty, Form and Feeling. Not as if set in stone, but it seems to be something like that, in general.
If there is an interpreter who brings forth a performance of his or her work, and it of filled with beauty, or deep feeling, or an amazing sense of overall design, I think that that creator will feel, at least to some extent, happy or satisfied, even if a dynamic or phrase was different than he (ok, I will follow the new norm "they")
RedCloudBeechWaveAhh 5 months ago
There is truth to some comments' taking issue with tempi, romanticism, etc.
The idea of being "true to a composer" is problematic at best. This recording is great, and its value, as with other work by Toscanini, lies in its power, humanity, intensity, clarity, beauty, artistry... These words and ideas are all of course, mostly not concrete or descriptive in some objective way, but I think there is a sense of aliveness and sharpness, of sheer beauty, that overwhelms any perceived "flaws"
RedCloudBeechWaveAhh 5 months ago
there are no muted horns in mozart, not in this symphony anyway, and this recording is not of a live performance but made in the studio (8-h, of course) in 1938.
bevaconme 5 months ago
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SatchmoSings 7 months ago
Anything but generic. Doesn't really remain true to the composer, but Toscanini's interpretations always remained true to himself! Love it.
GermanOperaSinger 10 months ago
@GermanOperaSinger While this recording does have a lot of "romantic" overtones, there is also a lot of the "classical" element that Toscanini brings out which is why this recording is so good.
He eschews the strings playing thick and heavy vibrato; the string's musicality is all done by bowing and attack which is a correct performance practice. Toscanini largely (but not entirely) gets the basic rhythm correct and timing of the piece, right, too.
SatchmoSings 7 months ago
perfect
HeartGoldMVP 11 months ago
Toscanini's interpretations are always stunning but what surprises me even more every time are the tempos...something you maybe wouldn't expect but something so different and so much better to listen to. Thanks very much!
joanna4659 1 year ago
I had discovered that the second movement is incomplete in this clip; there must be two or three minutes missing. What a shame!
sallyrob101 1 year ago
This was definitely a fresh and innovative approach to Mozart's Symphony No. 40. It really should be more dramatic and animated; we now know that the composer's health was beginning to fail and he only had three more years to live. The three symphonies Mozart wrote in 1788, including this one, were his final symphonic works. Toscanini excelled in this music; I feel it is better than his later recording of the symphony. I shows that Studio 8-H could have good sound, too.
sallyrob101 1 year ago
una registrazione del '38, eppure così viva, Toscanini immortale. Mozart ha avuto un degno interprete del suo genio.
fosco44 1 year ago
There are these small moments like the intense slur of the violins in some parts which really add mood and underline the Mozart's genius. I'm fascinated ! Karajan's tempo on this is like a boat sailing on the waves. And maestro Toscanini's lead is like a light slide on a very smooth ice :D
inhmn 1 year ago
awesome! TY.
paulostroff99 1 year ago
Toscanini!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
iguarni 1 year ago
...an added benefit..after first hearing the Toscanini version of this work, about 1962, whenever I hear it, I always hear the Toscanini version, nomatter what version it is.......this is THE version for me.......
valdengo1 1 year ago
How a conductor can make a melody any different as it was written by the composer?I have heard this symphony by several differnt conductors and I can't tell the difference.
musicologo1able 2 years ago
it is a surprise. Being a non toscanini person by all means, this version is one the best on character. Good surprise. All hear more of his Mozart...
Gonec 2 years ago
Growing up listening to Reiner, Leinsdorf, Ormandy, Bernstein,etc., I kept wondering what am I missing. I concluded that classical music was supposed to be boring; that's the way people wanted it. Only in old age have I come to hear Toscanini's recordings. Listening to him conduct is like seeing a Van Gogh painting for the first time, after nothing but reproductions. Everything comes into focus. You suddenly know why the horns in one section are muted, preparing for the strings 9 bars later.
runupahill1 2 years ago 8
It's not from The television concerts 1948-52?
gerrus89 2 years ago
No, recorded in 1938 and 1939 in NBC studio 8-H.
eblackadder3 2 years ago
@eblackadder3 In my opinion this is undoubtedly the finest g minor ever. No one brings the pathos to that opening like Toscanini in this (live, by the way) performance. After the war his performances became almost too taut and so many of us onliy knew him from those recordings. Thanks for posting
millriv 1 year ago
das ist eine von genialsten Aufnahmen von Toscanini. Bravo!!!
gutdav80 3 years ago
indeed an exceptional recording. Somehow to me Toscanini was hardly the Mozart man, but in this recording the Toscaninian sound melded with Mozart really yields a wonderful effect. Unseen in the later rather orthodox interpretations.
Thank You!
toscaninizt 3 years ago 5
I agree. I think Toscanni really knows what he is doing with the melody and base melody and wow! This is just my opinion, but Toscanini had an exceptional feeling for climax and perfect melody control or interpretative powers. Am I wrong?
P.S.And anyone who says Mozart is just butterflies and fields (I know someone who has haha) is really kidding themselves. This stuff is great!
SCHneiDen777 2 years ago