except the ha tek would not just be siting ther alone there are other gould back up that would drop out of hyperspace from pretty far away and still make it there for the lunch not to mention each ha tak has a hundred or so smaller death gliders and ring systems to go on board the intreped or any ship how about that startrek,keep treking
"ring systems to go on board the intreped" Rings need ring platforms to lock onto, also the ship needs to be stationary for rings to work, rings work on direct line of sight via a straight matter stream.
As of Season 10, the rings only require a ring platform to work, its even possible to ring aboard ships with shields still up (As in "Flesh and Blood").
I have watched all of season 10 and can not remember 1 episode that they were able to ring aboard an enemy ship that did not already have a ring platform of their own. Without a ring platform on the intrepid, or any other star trek ship, they won't be able to get a lock and could very well just be ringed into space.
(continued) Example #1 On episode 2 of season 9 they tried using Asgard beams to beam into Glastonbury tor, there was a shield around the tor preventing beaming into the tor. They were able to use rings though because there was a ring platform inside the tor. Example #2 if the rings were capable of ringing on board a ship that did not have a ring platform then why did the Daedalus use the rings to beam in nukes onto the wraith hive ships. Answer! Because the hive ships do not have rings on board
(Conclusion) The rings themselves also don't travel great distances, or other words the rings from one ship don't travel all the way to the other ship. The rings simply turn matter into energy and then shoot the mater stream to the receiving ring platform where the energy is turned back into solid matter.
I never said they didn't need a ring platform. I said they could ring through shields. They ringed a weapon onto an Ori mothership at several kilometers away while in motion with no matterstream beam. While a ring platform was still required (you're right it wouldn't work on an Intrepid), the matter stream is not as of Season 10 (also, no Ori rings need matterstreams ever, its possible ring technology just advanced in Season 10 and maybe Season 9).
Meh, this clip was 1:00 too long. Voyager deploys armor. Voyager fires two transphasic torpedoes. Party on the holodeck, it malfunctions, everyone dies on both sides. The end. LOL
Janeway: "Open hailing frequencies. This is the Federation Starship--"
Jaffa: "TAU'RI BOW BEFORE YOUR GOD."
Janeway: "I"m sorry I don't under--"
EXPLOSIONS, SMOKE, ETC.
Tuvok: "Shields are offline, weapons unresponsive, intruder alert--" *Jaffa ring in Tuvok shoots does nothing because phaser is set on stun Jaffa shoots back and miss too but hit CONSOLES which explode and kill NEELIX.
To only be reversed from the jaffa staring at 7 of 9's wonderful borg "assets" long enough to allow Naomi Wildman to steal the Delta Flyer, and go back in time....only to get knocked out of the air by excess methane emissions over Texas!
@politicalair everyone knows ring transport can only go a short distance unless it going to another ring pad and they couldn't get throught the hull of one of those ships
I love both series but if it could happen i think even the intrepid class could pretty much wipe the floor with a Ha'tak.Sure a Ha'tak could withstand a 1000 megaton explosion but first of in ST they use ISOTONS not megatons.Standard Fed torpedoes have around 25 isoton explosive yield.A 50 isoton explosion can destroy a small planet.And those standard torpedoes can be boosted alll the way to 200 isotons like in voyager.
There's the small issue of a Federation starship not carrying enough antimatter to destroy a planet because they would need more antimatter than the amount that fits into a photon capsule than will blow up a planet. Isoton is also a fictional yield the equivalent of which had never been specified but seems to change to fit the plot device of each episode.
it be really interesting to see this actually play out.
how a standerd starfleet frigate would do against a Hatak. suffice to say, i think voyager would win, A) their weapons are a lot more accurate and concentrated. b) they seem to be a bit quicker.
Yes the phasers are more accurate but as for quicker, the only advantage they have is in sublight speed, a ha'tak has outmaneuvered them in both FTL and agility. Whenever Voyager does "evasive maneuvers" they fly in a straight line, or a slightly curved one, the ha'taks have rolled on their axis along with attacked from above and below enemy vessels (Stargate Episodes: "Camelot", "Endgame", "Flesh and Blood Part II", and in the movie Continuum.
no very acurate the hatak massive is compeard to the intrepid one shot would have killd it out rite never minde the fighters it carys one staff blast is 200 mg photon 64 mg max phasers 2 mg persec other than that very good vid
i love people that spit numbers bt dont understand anything. a 200 gigaton explosive would send a ripple of death over a palanet surface come back and do it again 5 times atleast. not even a fuking meteor event woud do that. just high hopes and big numbers for people that dont understand. standard nuke of today = 50 megatons, yes megatons. so go figure somethings thats not 1 gigaton but 200. might as well say i used a nuke to clean my fish tank with obvious results CobaltX07
Sorry, Enakro was right I meant to post 20 megtons not 200 gigatons, the Tau'ri used a 230 gigaton warhead, but not the Goa'uld. Although I should add, a 200 gigaton blast would cripple a country and the fallout would cause massive world damage, but waves of death would not wash over the planet because the blast radius is less than 2000 miles, it wouldn't even take out all of the USA, Canada, China, or Russia.
No it wouldn't, it's not even close I've ran it through a nuclear calculator. I was actually working backwards to find out what kind of weapon yield the SGC used to obliterate everything within 100 miles, it came up to 230 gigatons with a 100 mile radius of massive damage and roughly 500-800 miles of moderate to light damage. Yes, all of Earth would still have to deal with fallout and radiation, but the surface would still be here let alone the whole planet and moon.
Standard nukes are actually "only" a few megatons at most; most are well under one megaton. There's no need for a bigger one, because a 500 kiloton blast would wipe out a city just as certainly as a 20 megaton one.
The biggest nuke ever detonated was the russian "Czar Bomb" which was over 50 megatons. While formidable, it wouldn't be practical, as several smaller nukes deal more widespread damage than one monstrous big bang. Also its physical size was too much for any missile to carry.
Actually, the United States went and one-upped the Russians with a much larger one in the pacific. The scientists accidentally nuked themselves in that one because it was so large.
The SGC built a bigger nuke because they needed something that could vaporize a stargate which a regular nuke will not always do. As such, the SGC built a 230 gt explosive the size of a sidewinder missile using a mineral called naquadriah. The weapon destroys everything within 100 miles and is equivalent to 3000+ photons. It doesn't matter how many isotons (which is an arbitrary yield with no credibility) you throw around. The antimatter in a photon is only enough for a 64 mt explosion.
Only people who don't know much about science say 200 gigatons will destroy the planet...
NEWSFLASH!!!!, the dino killer asteroid hit with OVER 100 TERRATONS, life survived, so did the planet.
The energy imparted was mostly KE, but that was enough to make a crater 180km in diameter, causing volcanoes to go off all over the earth and caused subsequent damage from all the fallinng debris, somthing nukes don't do...
Now, the 200gigaton nuke explosion doesn't seem so big, does it?
wtf look whos calling me stupid. first of all the weapons aboard a hatak are stated to be 200 megatons per shot. later it shows it like 1 gagaton per shot. anyway the mark 9 gatebuster is stated in the show to have a yeild of several gigatons and can destroy everything within 100 miles. and then colbalt calculated it to be 200 gigatons and someone else calculated it to be 800 gigatons
Again the strongest federation torpedoes are rated @ 24 megatons against a shelded target.
200-800gigatons is far beyond the weapon firepower of any of the physical trek races. The biggest missle was the cardassian dreadnaught and it wasn't anything near 200 gigatons.
I would like to see thos bullshit calculations, otherwise you're just blowing smoke out yer ass.
Someone else calced the yield to 800 gt per gatebuster, making a Horizon 4.8 teratons, enough to take out... oh, maybe a continent or two, again, none of this waves of death stuff someone else was spewing though. Though Japan and Hawaii will most like be screwed over by the resulting tsunamis though in addition to that, and the radiocative fallout will be insane.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't 120,000 gigatons or 120 terratatons equal to 0.12 petatons, other than that, I believe blacksun2175 is correct on everything. The prefixes x1000 go kilo, mega, giga, terra, peta, exa, and yotta (though I might be missing one).
The Horizon is in fact, multi-teraton, the Mark IX gatebuster is 230+ gigatons (may be higher). According to the episode "Beachhead," the Mark IX will destroy anything within 100 miles of the detonation on a planet. A yield of 230 gigatons is necessary just to cause severe damage in that radius, let alone destroy a stargate. A much higher yield would probably be necessary to destroy "everything." The Horizon bomb is simply a MIRV with 6 Mark IXs. This would add up to a multi-teraton weapon.
After re watching "The Serpent's Lair", this victory seems even less likely. A ha'tak's shields weren't even scratched by a 1000 megaton/1 gigaton warhead. The highest estimated yield for a quantum torp is 100 megatons, 60 megatons for a photon. Meaning 10 quantum torpedoes would probably cause about 1% shield damage, a photon torp, 0.6%, and that's the worst ha'tak ever used. Not to mention, the staff blasts don't magically miss their target because they were set to 0% accuracy either
I don't think all the numbers that they spout out in stargate are accurate either, cos they said that the ha'tak's weapons are supposed to be very powerful when bombarding from space, yet in the movie continuum, when the alkesh is being attacked the explosions are tiny in comparison to what they said the explosion would be like from a ha'tak's weapons. though I love stargate, I don't think they kept everything in line...
I think the Ha'tak pulse blasts are "focused" energy. They deal just as much damage as 200 gigaton nukes to the impact zone, but the blast radius is much smaller because they are not actually nuclear bombs, which have a large blast radius due to the chain reaction of exploding atoms in the atmosphere. However, it would also make them more destructive against ship in space than photon torpedoes, which don't have their charges as focused.
You need the right mod to do it. Its called shuttle launch framework but the ship you are using must be moded so it has a Shuttle bay hardpoint and a stock of shuttles. Tho the original version can be unstable so i suggest you get kobayashi maru 1.0 thats basicly an overhaul of the entire game and it contains a more stable version of the framework.
See the difference between this video and the one you responded to is that Electricfox didn't turn off the weapon targeting systems on the enemy ship. You cheater.
The main diference here is that i was flying the intrepid. If you do a bit of erratic manuvers pulse weapons get confused. Thats just how the game works.
Also, the Hatak is heavyily reliant on the squaudrons of Gilder and tal-kech it stores in it... The first episode they showed up in Teal'c actually called it a "cargo ship".
A failed geek. Wtf is a tal-kech anyway? There's no such thing. It's a Tel'tak/Goa'uld Cargo Ship. Motherships carry Death Gliders, Tel'tak, and Al'kesh. Tel'tak do serve as cargo ships and medium-sized fighter craft, Al'kesh are bombers, and Death Gliders are the Goa'uld's primary fighter craft.
Damn, my terminology is messed up... By Tel'tak you mean the cargo ship/long-ranged bomber?
Anyway, I have yet to see a Goa'uld bring Tel'tak's into combat when a Ha'tak is there to carry supplies. Cargo and bombardment from orbit seem to be there main functions...
By Tel'tak, I mean the medium sized cargo ship with staff weapons. The Al'kesh is a bomber and it has a much more powerful turret as well. Al'kesh are the Goa'uld's main atmospheric bombers though.
Not to mention the Intrepid class ship which basically has no weapons worth mentioning. Standard photon torpedo complement with even more standard lightweight fasers. Intrepid would have been crushed by the very appearance of my mom riding on a bycicle with a broom in her hand to make a punh with it :)
Hehe, yea, the intrepid-class ship isn't even a warship. Hell, the federation doesn't even have a single warship. They've all got weapons, sure, but they've got carpeting everywhere, tiny ass hangars, almost negligible amounts of weapons, etc... And they're not designed like warships either, they're designed like luxury yachts with some weak defensive weaponry.
The Defiant isn't a warship either. I mean sure, it's labeled a "warship" by the federation, but compared to warships in other sci-fi universes, the Defiant is just a luxury yacht with weapons. I mean sure, they got rid of the science station, gave it a better sensor suite, added more powerful shield generators, and removed a lot of the non-military areas, but it still isn't an actual warship. The Dominion, the Cardassians, and the Romulans have actual warships.
In "Invasion" the US military claimed that the 2 rockets fired at the goauld Hataks, enhanced with naquadah have a destruction capability of 1000 MEGATON S of TNT- thats more than 1000 times Hiroshima!!!!!
And the Hatak shields withstood it with EASE!!
In 2375 the federation had like.. the equivalent of lets say 40% of the goauld technology by the time of Anubis
@Denorius >"1000 MEGATON S [sic] of TNT...more than 1000 times Hiroshima!"
Ahem, Little Boy's Yield was not even 1 megaton (1 Mt = 1,000,000 tons), it was somewhere within 13 to 18 kilotons (kt); 13,000 to18,000 tons equivalent to TNT. At 18 kt You were off by 982,000 tons (982 kt).
Let's all remember that we didn't get any megaton-capable weapon until well after WWII (prototype "Mike" 10.4 Mt in 1954).
This has got to be the silliest argument. All the federation would need to do is cloak the defiant and drive up to the hatak and transport the energy crystals then de-cloak and fire a photon and battle over before they even knew the federation was there.
Again the problem wit this sim is that one ship remains stationary while only one moves around shooting the crap out of the stationary object. This is hardly how any battle is fought...
Guys, lets put it this way the Goa'uld has already achieved space flight when most of the fed members are still living in caves. The Goa'uld vastly outmatch them in terms of numbers and technology.
1. The Goa'uld has more advanced shield technology.
2. Each mother ship carry squadrons of death gliders to complement it.
3. And lastly, the Ha'tak is equiped with weapons that can obliterate entire cities in a single burst.
this is what needs to happen... get all the creators from all the shows and have them agree to what each shows science level is capable of.... comparing the goauld to the federation is like comparing apples and oranges... you have two different technoligies at play so its hard to get a common ground to compare anything.....
This would be the result with the older Ha'taks used by Ra, but Anubis's ships would've obliterated the intrepid class, they have more powerful weapons and shields, plus they could just ring ring over Cull warriors from an Al'kesh and invade the Fed ships with those, only the Borg could stand a chance against the Kull warriors once they board the ship.
dont want to start a 100 post long debate but i dont see a reson why say, Seven, couldent design an effective weapon against the Kull warriors the same way as Sam did. (if an SGv Trek movie would be made thats most likely what would eventualy hapen).
This is nonsence a Goauld hatak is 700m long an Interpid class ship only some 270m therfore the hatak has superior shields and weapons. And besides goauld technology is far more advanced then fderation technology.
A Hatak can travel 35000 times faster than light- federation ships only some 2000 times faster. Hatak shields can withstand 1000 Megatonns of TNT with ease-something i doubt even a Sovereign class ship like the Enterprise would survive.
Well a Galxyy wont win. It has more firepower than the Intrepid but its too big and unmanuverable to evade the weapons fire. Still it might depend on which Hatak its fighting, since ive beaten the Early Hataks with TOS ships.
You do realize that Star Trek is more realistic than stargate? I mean wtf man, the goa'uld have had 5000 years to advance, and they are still at the same level of technology? In terms of who would win, in a goa'uld vs. federation war...the federation would kick the shit out of the goa'uld.
Yet Lord Ba'al had a planet destroying ship to along with a huge fleet as well, i know the fedoration is very strong and i agree with u but all the gou'uld system lords, thier fleets, trillions of Jaffa against the fedoration and the klingons, fedaroation will problablt loose, but with the help of the Asgard and the humans, it might turn out diffrently
So? Anubis had one planet destroyer...and don't worry, the goa'uld would get their ass kicked, because the federation has enough ships plus the federation also have the klingons allies.
you do realize the Goa'uld are scavengers. Most of there Technology were Stolen from other races. They never really Invented anything but a few ships and other hand devices. Yet we really cannot compare both universes. Oh and just for your information. The Goa'uld controlled almost all the galaxy. They had ships all over the galaxy. The Federation only a small portion (alpha). Who do you think has the most ships?
True, but the Goa'uld are divided into how many blocks? And the Goa'uld are very dependent on the Stargates to control their territory, the Federation is an alliance, and the Federation can grow...i agree it's silly to compare these universes, but i still say the Federation would win.
I agree, in addition to superiority when it comes to resources and numbers, Goa'uld ships carry squadrons of death gliders and other support ships and they also have powerful energy shields and cloaking device that can render the weapon systems of any Federation ship useless and on top of that it is armed with powerful weapons that can decimate entire cities with a single burst (imagine the Intrepid being hit by that!).
Yes but the Goa'uld never used shields did they? And the Federation should call help from the Klingons and Romulans, disruptors vs. Goa'uld lasers? I think that that would be possible.
ever want to fight is a galactic war against the Trek Milky Way.....against all the known races combined that has been spotted on all Trek series (From the Classic Trek Doomsday machine to Species 8274 on Voyager. Even the Xindi with their planet killing spheres from Enterprise (No telling what they have in the TNG universe, but a guess could be made.. Even 8472 destroyed a Borg planet with a squadron of 8 bio ships in a circle combining the energy of their beams into one, totaling the planet.
Beams. If they work like they are supposed to, they would be paralyzing the Ha'Tak's systems all over the ship..unless we assume the technology doesn't get affected. True there are variables, but we're basing this off of everything being as we know it to be. I know it gets dicey pitting different techs against each other from different universes and coming up with a comparison, so that's when objective views take over. I've tried for the longest to convince people the last war the Empire would
Harry, I'm glad to see some real objectivity and tactical analysis with this. It's frustrating to because people chose to ignore facts that are so blatantly obvious in order to achieve their outcomes. And you're right, size isn't everything. In Trek, didn't they learn that about the Jem'Haddar attack fighters? Now what happens if one of those encounters the Ha'tak? Or say a squadron of them? They're smaller than an Inrepid class themselves, so they should get crushed. Ooops, I forgot. POLARON
Come on, Voyager has a crew of 103 and its TINY to a Hatak. A hatak is fully 1 km long and wide. Its bigger than the enterprise D and E. Enterprise D is 643 m long and E is 685 m.
Second. Size isnt evrything. The intrepid being smaller is the main reson im able to beat the hatak in it. With proper manuvering it cant hit me. If i was just flying straight lines it would shurely destroy me. Besides, in Stargate, there was at least 1 instance when an even smaller Alkesh disabeled a Hatak.
with the Ha'tak's shields being down in the first place yes (the SG-1 team was about to release the stargate into the sun to blow it up so Apophis's fleet would be destroyed as it was the largest Goa'uld fleet ever assembled at that point), but with its shields up, an Al'kesh cannot even touch a Ha'tak. Voyager can't either. That is my point. Besides, a Ha'tak is pretty accurate with its fire. Voyager should have taken at least a few hits. Besides, I doubt its weapons would break a hatak shield.
honestly now, if you want to get really, REALLY technical, you can talk about how the 'shield harmonics' are at different frequencies, soo they might not be used to federation technology. so...HA. and anyways, what are you using to compare the power of federation weapons and shields, to that of the Goa'uld (or whoever they stole the technology from) so a high intensity, focused beam of energy could destabilize a force field, and rip open a ship. Honestly tho, who is worrying? (hehe)
Yeah, Legacy did have some good graphics but the game play just wasn't great. I liked the Starfleet Command Trilogy more than that game, of course you could do some nifty flips with Legacy, but there was a whole lack of maneuvers you were able to use with Command.
And on to the Ha'tak v. Intrepid, well, Intrepid's firepower lacks, but the phasers are what kills the ha'tak. Ha'tak's weapons are far more powerful yet inaccurate. All in all maneuvers and phasers saved the Intrepid.
thats what i'm talking about graphics makes the game much nicer and i don't understand why these videos are mad weird it's not like legacy..........you know its not like first person ship control you can't see phaser or torpedo status shields..............why..............mentioned some thing about cinematic view don't do that make it normal please
I know it only from other peoples descriptions and videos. But from what i saw Ships in legacy move..well strange. then there are those 100% hit weapons (never seen a single miss in that game)
This is a really funny and nerdy argument/discussion! But Seeing as every time Voyager got hit by anything its shields were down to like 10 percent, and the fact that the Massive Hatak could repel nuclear explosions with hardly any shield damage...Id say this video is downright wrong!
Oh, I see what happened, after watching the other Voyager-Ha'tak video. You turned off the homing feature of the Gou'ald fire, while leaving Voyager's weapons at 100% accuracy. One way to guarantee a win for your favorite, I guess.
As a result of Voyagers inferior shields and armor as well as their weak rate of fire in comparison to the powerful Ha'tack, one must conclude that the Ha'tack would have defeated Voyager with ease.
In the series... voyager could destroy Borg ships with some damage but still at proficent power. it also used kronoton toorpedoes some of the most advanced in the federation and even wepons from the future. and beside the deadules could destroy a Ha'tak with its new and old wepons.
Voyager did not use kronoton torpedoes at all. It had two kinds, photon torpedoes, which are antimatter/matter explosives, and tri colbalt devices. It only had 3 of the tri cobalt devices, while extremely powerful are not effective against shields because of their slow expansion rate. And also Voyager did not recieve weapons from the future until the last episode "Endgame." *name the episode where the deadules actually destroys an Ha'tak vessel, with or without their new weaponry.
by the way voyager destroyed two borg ships, a tactical cube with the assistance of a borg sphere. And a scout ship that has minimal weapons and shields. The only other time they destroy a borg ship is when they use tranphasic torpedoes from the future.
not true...they destroyed a damaged one in orbit around a planet in habited with borg. Chakotae might have been under their influence but none the less they destroyed.
My point zboi778 is Voyager did not destroy borg ships with ease. Exemplified by the fact that the borg ship they destroyed in the episode you are refering to was damaged before hand.
Janeway - 1, Ba'al - 0
Renji9031 3 weeks ago
Trekgate
Harry : We detected Human lifeforms aboard that ship
Janeway: Ensign Kim, Lock on and beam aboard, Bridge to sickbay prepare to receive patients
Doctor:Yes Ma'am
O'neill rematerialized in Voyager's Sickbay
Jack: Thanks Thor buddy, nice time, hey Woolsey what are you doing Here?
Doctor:Colonel O'neill i'm EMH Please state the nature of the medical emergency
pozzolo1984 11 months ago
what game is this?
danutzzz2064 11 months ago
After 0:40 does the Ha'tak even land a single shot at all? Sheesh. :P
HaBooBo0 1 year ago
the Ha'tak would be much bigger and throw a shit load more that any Federation Star Ship could...
lathanal 1 year ago
The Intrepid Class is way deadlier than was admitted on Voyager... outright.
translucentorb 1 year ago
this video is wrong !!!
the Hatak should win
braunibrumm 1 year ago
except the ha tek would not just be siting ther alone there are other gould back up that would drop out of hyperspace from pretty far away and still make it there for the lunch not to mention each ha tak has a hundred or so smaller death gliders and ring systems to go on board the intreped or any ship how about that startrek,keep treking
theblackguy6haaa 2 years ago
"ring systems to go on board the intreped" Rings need ring platforms to lock onto, also the ship needs to be stationary for rings to work, rings work on direct line of sight via a straight matter stream.
superjump01 1 year ago
As of Season 10, the rings only require a ring platform to work, its even possible to ring aboard ships with shields still up (As in "Flesh and Blood").
CobaltX07 1 year ago
I have watched all of season 10 and can not remember 1 episode that they were able to ring aboard an enemy ship that did not already have a ring platform of their own. Without a ring platform on the intrepid, or any other star trek ship, they won't be able to get a lock and could very well just be ringed into space.
superjump01 1 year ago
(continued) Example #1 On episode 2 of season 9 they tried using Asgard beams to beam into Glastonbury tor, there was a shield around the tor preventing beaming into the tor. They were able to use rings though because there was a ring platform inside the tor. Example #2 if the rings were capable of ringing on board a ship that did not have a ring platform then why did the Daedalus use the rings to beam in nukes onto the wraith hive ships. Answer! Because the hive ships do not have rings on board
superjump01 1 year ago
(Conclusion) The rings themselves also don't travel great distances, or other words the rings from one ship don't travel all the way to the other ship. The rings simply turn matter into energy and then shoot the mater stream to the receiving ring platform where the energy is turned back into solid matter.
superjump01 1 year ago
I never said they didn't need a ring platform. I said they could ring through shields. They ringed a weapon onto an Ori mothership at several kilometers away while in motion with no matterstream beam. While a ring platform was still required (you're right it wouldn't work on an Intrepid), the matter stream is not as of Season 10 (also, no Ori rings need matterstreams ever, its possible ring technology just advanced in Season 10 and maybe Season 9).
CobaltX07 1 year ago
@superjump01
Just say it's Baals Hatak. He has beaming tech, no rings required.
RCTPatriot75 1 year ago
Meh, this clip was 1:00 too long. Voyager deploys armor. Voyager fires two transphasic torpedoes. Party on the holodeck, it malfunctions, everyone dies on both sides. The end. LOL
phoenixheart79 2 years ago
the hatak wouldn `stay at the same point and the laser would not fir so strong
the hatak has much little ships
the voyager has some reckets
and the hatak would hit more often and has more weapons on the ship
Dragoncooldaddy 2 years ago
@Dragoncooldaddy, no offence, but an Intrepid class ship would be running circles around the Ha`tak.
From my own battles in bridge commander, a Ha`tak is about as maneuverable as a Galaxy class ship...
Maneuverable for its size, but not compared to an Intrepid class.
NightwishRaven999 2 years ago
look at the arival of the ori
a hatak is not so maneuverable
and brigde commander is not really like the real tv series it is a modifikation for a game
Dragoncooldaddy 2 years ago
Homeworld 2 music FTW
mcflurey667 2 years ago
We all know what would *really* happen.
Janeway: "Open hailing frequencies. This is the Federation Starship--"
Jaffa: "TAU'RI BOW BEFORE YOUR GOD."
Janeway: "I"m sorry I don't under--"
EXPLOSIONS, SMOKE, ETC.
Tuvok: "Shields are offline, weapons unresponsive, intruder alert--" *Jaffa ring in Tuvok shoots does nothing because phaser is set on stun Jaffa shoots back and miss too but hit CONSOLES which explode and kill NEELIX.
politicalair 2 years ago 27
Which starts a chain reaction, killing a few nameless yellow shirts, and somehow starts a warp core breach!
MD2389 2 years ago
and then it somehow causes a time paradox where the goa'uld take over the planet!!!
ciscokitty8 1 year ago
To only be reversed from the jaffa staring at 7 of 9's wonderful borg "assets" long enough to allow Naomi Wildman to steal the Delta Flyer, and go back in time....only to get knocked out of the air by excess methane emissions over Texas!
MD2389 1 year ago
lmao xD
ciscokitty8 1 year ago
@politicalair Haha yes this kid has it right
Hunock 1 year ago
@politicalair everyone knows ring transport can only go a short distance unless it going to another ring pad and they couldn't get throught the hull of one of those ships
Killercomma 7 months ago
How was this made?
therookguy 2 years ago
And another ST vs SG god when will this end.
I love both series but if it could happen i think even the intrepid class could pretty much wipe the floor with a Ha'tak.Sure a Ha'tak could withstand a 1000 megaton explosion but first of in ST they use ISOTONS not megatons.Standard Fed torpedoes have around 25 isoton explosive yield.A 50 isoton explosion can destroy a small planet.And those standard torpedoes can be boosted alll the way to 200 isotons like in voyager.
ilkay 2 years ago
There's the small issue of a Federation starship not carrying enough antimatter to destroy a planet because they would need more antimatter than the amount that fits into a photon capsule than will blow up a planet. Isoton is also a fictional yield the equivalent of which had never been specified but seems to change to fit the plot device of each episode.
CobaltX07 2 years ago 10
dont think it got hit with a 1 giga nuke it didnt detonate when it hit the sheilds
tyedgy 2 years ago
They mention an EMP in the episode that would indicate that the nukes detonated, as EMPs tend to result from the detonation of nuclear warheads.
CobaltX07 2 years ago
it be really interesting to see this actually play out.
how a standerd starfleet frigate would do against a Hatak. suffice to say, i think voyager would win, A) their weapons are a lot more accurate and concentrated. b) they seem to be a bit quicker.
Seetherfanv1 2 years ago
Yes the phasers are more accurate but as for quicker, the only advantage they have is in sublight speed, a ha'tak has outmaneuvered them in both FTL and agility. Whenever Voyager does "evasive maneuvers" they fly in a straight line, or a slightly curved one, the ha'taks have rolled on their axis along with attacked from above and below enemy vessels (Stargate Episodes: "Camelot", "Endgame", "Flesh and Blood Part II", and in the movie Continuum.
CobaltX07 2 years ago
lol think voyager as a corvette and other star trek ships as corvettes too
tyedgy 2 years ago
were Can you Buy bridge commander these days
StarTrekBattles09 2 years ago
ebay?
mossdale23 2 years ago
no very acurate the hatak massive is compeard to the intrepid one shot would have killd it out rite never minde the fighters it carys one staff blast is 200 mg photon 64 mg max phasers 2 mg persec other than that very good vid
goberdabelch 2 years ago
i love people that spit numbers bt dont understand anything. a 200 gigaton explosive would send a ripple of death over a palanet surface come back and do it again 5 times atleast. not even a fuking meteor event woud do that. just high hopes and big numbers for people that dont understand. standard nuke of today = 50 megatons, yes megatons. so go figure somethings thats not 1 gigaton but 200. might as well say i used a nuke to clean my fish tank with obvious results CobaltX07
DarkOozaru 2 years ago
Sorry, Enakro was right I meant to post 20 megtons not 200 gigatons, the Tau'ri used a 230 gigaton warhead, but not the Goa'uld. Although I should add, a 200 gigaton blast would cripple a country and the fallout would cause massive world damage, but waves of death would not wash over the planet because the blast radius is less than 2000 miles, it wouldn't even take out all of the USA, Canada, China, or Russia.
CobaltX07 2 years ago
a 200 gigaton explosin would wipe out earth and the moon and devastate mars!
Seetherfanv1 2 years ago
No it wouldn't, it's not even close I've ran it through a nuclear calculator. I was actually working backwards to find out what kind of weapon yield the SGC used to obliterate everything within 100 miles, it came up to 230 gigatons with a 100 mile radius of massive damage and roughly 500-800 miles of moderate to light damage. Yes, all of Earth would still have to deal with fallout and radiation, but the surface would still be here let alone the whole planet and moon.
CobaltX07 2 years ago 2
Standard nukes are actually "only" a few megatons at most; most are well under one megaton. There's no need for a bigger one, because a 500 kiloton blast would wipe out a city just as certainly as a 20 megaton one.
The biggest nuke ever detonated was the russian "Czar Bomb" which was over 50 megatons. While formidable, it wouldn't be practical, as several smaller nukes deal more widespread damage than one monstrous big bang. Also its physical size was too much for any missile to carry.
WilfredIvanhoe 2 years ago
Actually, the United States went and one-upped the Russians with a much larger one in the pacific. The scientists accidentally nuked themselves in that one because it was so large.
Inmango 2 years ago
@Inmango that one was only 15 megatons
tyedgy 1 year ago
The SGC built a bigger nuke because they needed something that could vaporize a stargate which a regular nuke will not always do. As such, the SGC built a 230 gt explosive the size of a sidewinder missile using a mineral called naquadriah. The weapon destroys everything within 100 miles and is equivalent to 3000+ photons. It doesn't matter how many isotons (which is an arbitrary yield with no credibility) you throw around. The antimatter in a photon is only enough for a 64 mt explosion.
CobaltX07 2 years ago
yo how the hell is a horizon 230 000 megatons? that doesnt make sense if it were that big it wouldve wiped all life off taht planet
tyedgy 2 years ago
Actually in 1960 the chilean earthquake released 200,000 megatons, and we're still here.
blacksun2175 2 years ago
yeah but thats a earthquake. it only caused a tsunami. im talking about a multi gigaton nuclear air blast that annilates everything within 100 miles
tyedgy 2 years ago
Except beam weapons can cause multi-gigatons worth of damage, and not have a mushroom cloud, because they're not nukes.
Also if you were talking about their bombs...
Stargate Pegasus : Goa'uld vs. Wraith
watch?v=OKEKxNLDQe8
@ 1:35~ 1:56
Proves they are...
blacksun2175 2 years ago
Only people who don't know much about science say 200 gigatons will destroy the planet...
NEWSFLASH!!!!, the dino killer asteroid hit with OVER 100 TERRATONS, life survived, so did the planet.
The energy imparted was mostly KE, but that was enough to make a crater 180km in diameter, causing volcanoes to go off all over the earth and caused subsequent damage from all the fallinng debris, somthing nukes don't do...
Now, the 200gigaton nuke explosion doesn't seem so big, does it?
blacksun2175 2 years ago
@blacksun2175 6, 200 gagatons warheads =120 teratons. enough to destroy over 60% of life on a planet
tyedgy 1 year ago
Hey guess what? the chilean earthquake of 1960 packed a 200gigaton yield, and were still here.
blacksun2175 1 year ago
its a earthquake and y are we discussing gatebusters instead of hatak vs voyager
tyedgy 1 year ago
You really are stupid arent you?
Gatebusters are within the goa'ulds technical capabilities, not so with the voyager crew or the federation.
The much bigger Ent-D's shields were dropped and hull damaged by a single 400gw blast. The weapons found aboard a Ha'tak are greater than 400gw.
Voyager eats it.
blacksun2175 1 year ago
wtf look whos calling me stupid. first of all the weapons aboard a hatak are stated to be 200 megatons per shot. later it shows it like 1 gagaton per shot. anyway the mark 9 gatebuster is stated in the show to have a yeild of several gigatons and can destroy everything within 100 miles. and then colbalt calculated it to be 200 gigatons and someone else calculated it to be 800 gigatons
tyedgy 1 year ago
gagaton? colbalt? WTF are you talking about?
Again the strongest federation torpedoes are rated @ 24 megatons against a shelded target.
200-800gigatons is far beyond the weapon firepower of any of the physical trek races. The biggest missle was the cardassian dreadnaught and it wasn't anything near 200 gigatons.
I would like to see thos bullshit calculations, otherwise you're just blowing smoke out yer ass.
blacksun2175 1 year ago
ask colbaltX07 he seemed to do those calculations but if u ask me its just several gigatons
tyedgy 1 year ago
just becuase 200-800 gigatons is far beyond the firepower of any of the trek races doesnt mean its beyond the capabilities of a different universe.
if u way that you my friend are a complete idiot
tyedgy 1 year ago
Someone else calced the yield to 800 gt per gatebuster, making a Horizon 4.8 teratons, enough to take out... oh, maybe a continent or two, again, none of this waves of death stuff someone else was spewing though. Though Japan and Hawaii will most like be screwed over by the resulting tsunamis though in addition to that, and the radiocative fallout will be insane.
CobaltX07 1 year ago
Are you that fucking stupid? There is no such thing as a gagaton you fucking idiot.
It goes mega, giga, terra, peta, and so on.
The fact that they go by the 1000's means 120 terratons would be 120,000gigatons or 12 petatons.
Simple terminology that you are ignorant of, learn 2 logic.
Also the trek races can't. Other universes yes.
But not trek universes.
blacksun2175 1 year ago
sorry but it was a spelling mistake
tyedgy 1 year ago
also a logical one too.
You said tha gagatons>terratons.
It was gigatons and the other way around.
blacksun2175 1 year ago
yes i know
tyedgy 1 year ago
Concession accepted.
blacksun2175 1 year ago
Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't 120,000 gigatons or 120 terratatons equal to 0.12 petatons, other than that, I believe blacksun2175 is correct on everything. The prefixes x1000 go kilo, mega, giga, terra, peta, exa, and yotta (though I might be missing one).
CobaltX07 1 year ago
whoops I did miss that(.) in front of the 12:P
Mea culpa.
blacksun2175 1 year ago
Self correction: I meant to post teratons
CobaltX07 1 year ago
The Horizon is in fact, multi-teraton, the Mark IX gatebuster is 230+ gigatons (may be higher). According to the episode "Beachhead," the Mark IX will destroy anything within 100 miles of the detonation on a planet. A yield of 230 gigatons is necessary just to cause severe damage in that radius, let alone destroy a stargate. A much higher yield would probably be necessary to destroy "everything." The Horizon bomb is simply a MIRV with 6 Mark IXs. This would add up to a multi-teraton weapon.
CobaltX07 2 years ago
Like eating chocolate, use phasers and photon torpedoes in moderation. =)
Bateleur5 2 years ago
After re watching "The Serpent's Lair", this victory seems even less likely. A ha'tak's shields weren't even scratched by a 1000 megaton/1 gigaton warhead. The highest estimated yield for a quantum torp is 100 megatons, 60 megatons for a photon. Meaning 10 quantum torpedoes would probably cause about 1% shield damage, a photon torp, 0.6%, and that's the worst ha'tak ever used. Not to mention, the staff blasts don't magically miss their target because they were set to 0% accuracy either
CobaltX07 2 years ago
I don't think all the numbers that they spout out in stargate are accurate either, cos they said that the ha'tak's weapons are supposed to be very powerful when bombarding from space, yet in the movie continuum, when the alkesh is being attacked the explosions are tiny in comparison to what they said the explosion would be like from a ha'tak's weapons. though I love stargate, I don't think they kept everything in line...
champion1642 2 years ago
they a bunch of noobs didint you see what the intrepid class did to it XD
macaroniman2000 2 years ago
I think the Ha'tak pulse blasts are "focused" energy. They deal just as much damage as 200 gigaton nukes to the impact zone, but the blast radius is much smaller because they are not actually nuclear bombs, which have a large blast radius due to the chain reaction of exploding atoms in the atmosphere. However, it would also make them more destructive against ship in space than photon torpedoes, which don't have their charges as focused.
CobaltX07 2 years ago
dude its 200 megatons not 200 gigatons
Enakro 2 years ago
This is freaking awesome. LOVE the music and special effects. WOW! You're a genious to do this type of game.
vidmastr26 2 years ago
does any one know how you launch shutttles
captainwiggles1 2 years ago
Does anyone know where you get that kick ass remix of iirc HW2 music? Or is that the original?
MacGyverinSpace 2 years ago
This is from the original soundtrack. If i remember corectly i found the download link on the homeworld wiki.
LordDarthHarry 2 years ago
You need the right mod to do it. Its called shuttle launch framework but the ship you are using must be moded so it has a Shuttle bay hardpoint and a stock of shuttles. Tho the original version can be unstable so i suggest you get kobayashi maru 1.0 thats basicly an overhaul of the entire game and it contains a more stable version of the framework.
LordDarthHarry 2 years ago
See the difference between this video and the one you responded to is that Electricfox didn't turn off the weapon targeting systems on the enemy ship. You cheater.
WUZLE 2 years ago
The main diference here is that i was flying the intrepid. If you do a bit of erratic manuvers pulse weapons get confused. Thats just how the game works.
LordDarthHarry 2 years ago
Also, the Hatak is heavyily reliant on the squaudrons of Gilder and tal-kech it stores in it... The first episode they showed up in Teal'c actually called it a "cargo ship".
I'm such a Geek. :p
ApoclypticOreo 2 years ago
A failed geek. Wtf is a tal-kech anyway? There's no such thing. It's a Tel'tak/Goa'uld Cargo Ship. Motherships carry Death Gliders, Tel'tak, and Al'kesh. Tel'tak do serve as cargo ships and medium-sized fighter craft, Al'kesh are bombers, and Death Gliders are the Goa'uld's primary fighter craft.
durge666 2 years ago
Damn, my terminology is messed up... By Tel'tak you mean the cargo ship/long-ranged bomber?
Anyway, I have yet to see a Goa'uld bring Tel'tak's into combat when a Ha'tak is there to carry supplies. Cargo and bombardment from orbit seem to be there main functions...
ApoclypticOreo 2 years ago
By Tel'tak, I mean the medium sized cargo ship with staff weapons. The Al'kesh is a bomber and it has a much more powerful turret as well. Al'kesh are the Goa'uld's main atmospheric bombers though.
durge666 2 years ago
Yeah... That's what I was thinking the Tel'tak's was... I just have never seen them used with Ha'tak...
ApoclypticOreo 2 years ago
impressive
habboboy49 2 years ago
That's bulls#*it Goau'ld have targetting systems too. On your simulation the mothership would always miss.
elite1004 2 years ago
It hit a few times. lol But yea, I agree with you. If a Goa'uld mothership can shoot down an Al-kesh, it can most certainly hit any federation ship.
durge666 2 years ago
Not to mention the Intrepid class ship which basically has no weapons worth mentioning. Standard photon torpedo complement with even more standard lightweight fasers. Intrepid would have been crushed by the very appearance of my mom riding on a bycicle with a broom in her hand to make a punh with it :)
holodock 2 years ago
Hehe, yea, the intrepid-class ship isn't even a warship. Hell, the federation doesn't even have a single warship. They've all got weapons, sure, but they've got carpeting everywhere, tiny ass hangars, almost negligible amounts of weapons, etc... And they're not designed like warships either, they're designed like luxury yachts with some weak defensive weaponry.
durge666 2 years ago
so i guess the DEFIANT class is just a silly rumor
aramiris 2 years ago 2
The Defiant isn't a warship either. I mean sure, it's labeled a "warship" by the federation, but compared to warships in other sci-fi universes, the Defiant is just a luxury yacht with weapons. I mean sure, they got rid of the science station, gave it a better sensor suite, added more powerful shield generators, and removed a lot of the non-military areas, but it still isn't an actual warship. The Dominion, the Cardassians, and the Romulans have actual warships.
durge666 2 years ago
In "Invasion" the US military claimed that the 2 rockets fired at the goauld Hataks, enhanced with naquadah have a destruction capability of 1000 MEGATON S of TNT- thats more than 1000 times Hiroshima!!!!!
And the Hatak shields withstood it with EASE!!
In 2375 the federation had like.. the equivalent of lets say 40% of the goauld technology by the time of Anubis
Denorius 2 years ago
ahhh... one megaton of tnt! but the weapon was of Naquadah Enhanced Uranium...
Joao2Pedro 2 years ago
Nagasaki is worst...
SouthernRiprey 2 years ago
@Denorius >"1000 MEGATON S [sic] of TNT...more than 1000 times Hiroshima!"
Ahem, Little Boy's Yield was not even 1 megaton (1 Mt = 1,000,000 tons), it was somewhere within 13 to 18 kilotons (kt); 13,000 to18,000 tons equivalent to TNT. At 18 kt You were off by 982,000 tons (982 kt).
Let's all remember that we didn't get any megaton-capable weapon until well after WWII (prototype "Mike" 10.4 Mt in 1954).
RingSight91 11 months ago
This has got to be the silliest argument. All the federation would need to do is cloak the defiant and drive up to the hatak and transport the energy crystals then de-cloak and fire a photon and battle over before they even knew the federation was there.
compaq98sc 2 years ago
Again the problem wit this sim is that one ship remains stationary while only one moves around shooting the crap out of the stationary object. This is hardly how any battle is fought...
bannedbyMusloons 2 years ago
Well, except on TNG where both ships didn't move!
eepruls 2 years ago
Guys, lets put it this way the Goa'uld has already achieved space flight when most of the fed members are still living in caves. The Goa'uld vastly outmatch them in terms of numbers and technology.
1. The Goa'uld has more advanced shield technology.
2. Each mother ship carry squadrons of death gliders to complement it.
3. And lastly, the Ha'tak is equiped with weapons that can obliterate entire cities in a single burst.
gentao3434 2 years ago
LOL
A Ha´tak is much stronger , ans has a better shield and better weapons, as we can see here.
not very good^^
rarehaendler 2 years ago
thats a Goa'uld mother ship
smitto21 2 years ago
guys, seriously, yopu need to find some females for cohabination... lol
Deadpalladin 3 years ago 5
link to mod please
gooran3 3 years ago
id take the defiant class and a smart pilot anytime..
hpsly35 3 years ago
this is what needs to happen... get all the creators from all the shows and have them agree to what each shows science level is capable of.... comparing the goauld to the federation is like comparing apples and oranges... you have two different technoligies at play so its hard to get a common ground to compare anything.....
hpsly35 3 years ago 4
The only way this could happen is if the Ha'tak was an older modle or just got finished defeating the Voyager.
finley890 3 years ago 2
This would be the result with the older Ha'taks used by Ra, but Anubis's ships would've obliterated the intrepid class, they have more powerful weapons and shields, plus they could just ring ring over Cull warriors from an Al'kesh and invade the Fed ships with those, only the Borg could stand a chance against the Kull warriors once they board the ship.
CobaltX07 3 years ago
dont want to start a 100 post long debate but i dont see a reson why say, Seven, couldent design an effective weapon against the Kull warriors the same way as Sam did. (if an SGv Trek movie would be made thats most likely what would eventualy hapen).
LordDarthHarry 3 years ago
I said "only the Borg," that includes Seven, although, she would have a hard time designing an effective weapon without the device SG-1 used.
CobaltX07 3 years ago
This is nonsence a Goauld hatak is 700m long an Interpid class ship only some 270m therfore the hatak has superior shields and weapons. And besides goauld technology is far more advanced then fderation technology.
A Hatak can travel 35000 times faster than light- federation ships only some 2000 times faster. Hatak shields can withstand 1000 Megatonns of TNT with ease-something i doubt even a Sovereign class ship like the Enterprise would survive.
Denorius 3 years ago
Denorius, you're saying TNT like whu says "Naquadah enriched uranium"?
Joao2Pedro 2 years ago
Does anyone here think that the Kull warriors would play any role in achieving a Goa'uld victory?
AllHailShemp 3 years ago
Ya tottaly
Warhammerdude980 3 years ago
how do u do this? i wanna do that!!!
I wanna own all of the weak star trek ships with the massive Ha'takk vessels
Warhammerdude980 3 years ago
is this a mod for bridge com???
Si1301 3 years ago
This comment has received too many negative votes show
i hate star trek... stargate owns all!
dudepersonmanstuff 3 years ago
Yes very true
indrajeet 3 years ago
I could see a few Galaxy class starships blowing up a mothership ;)
The intrepid as mentioned is a scout ship, designed for long range tactical missions. Of course its no match for real battle ships.
NightwishRaven999 3 years ago 3
Well a Galxyy wont win. It has more firepower than the Intrepid but its too big and unmanuverable to evade the weapons fire. Still it might depend on which Hatak its fighting, since ive beaten the Early Hataks with TOS ships.
LordDarthHarry 3 years ago
You do realize that Star Trek is more realistic than stargate? I mean wtf man, the goa'uld have had 5000 years to advance, and they are still at the same level of technology? In terms of who would win, in a goa'uld vs. federation war...the federation would kick the shit out of the goa'uld.
theonefreeman88 3 years ago
I am talking about gameplay of the MOD. They dint actualy balance the SG ships to Star Trek ships anyway.
LordDarthHarry 3 years ago
Yet Lord Ba'al had a planet destroying ship to along with a huge fleet as well, i know the fedoration is very strong and i agree with u but all the gou'uld system lords, thier fleets, trillions of Jaffa against the fedoration and the klingons, fedaroation will problablt loose, but with the help of the Asgard and the humans, it might turn out diffrently
Warhammerdude980 3 years ago
But the Gou'uld have massive fleats of Mother ships, Al'kesh and gliders
besides it would take at least 10 to 15 fedaration ships to take down Anubis' huge planet destroying ship
Warhammerdude980 3 years ago
So? Anubis had one planet destroyer...and don't worry, the goa'uld would get their ass kicked, because the federation has enough ships plus the federation also have the klingons allies.
theonefreeman88 3 years ago
you do realize the Goa'uld are scavengers. Most of there Technology were Stolen from other races. They never really Invented anything but a few ships and other hand devices. Yet we really cannot compare both universes. Oh and just for your information. The Goa'uld controlled almost all the galaxy. They had ships all over the galaxy. The Federation only a small portion (alpha). Who do you think has the most ships?
Extremefighters 3 years ago
True, but the Goa'uld are divided into how many blocks? And the Goa'uld are very dependent on the Stargates to control their territory, the Federation is an alliance, and the Federation can grow...i agree it's silly to compare these universes, but i still say the Federation would win.
theonefreeman88 3 years ago
Yeah true about the dividing part. but I cant say who will win.. Honestly.. LOL
Extremefighters 3 years ago
The Federation alone would have no chance against a mighty Goa'uld Systemlord.
All what the Goa'uld Systems produce are weapons, ships and high technology shields
Corvin2696 3 years ago
I agree, in addition to superiority when it comes to resources and numbers, Goa'uld ships carry squadrons of death gliders and other support ships and they also have powerful energy shields and cloaking device that can render the weapon systems of any Federation ship useless and on top of that it is armed with powerful weapons that can decimate entire cities with a single burst (imagine the Intrepid being hit by that!).
doncarlo48 3 years ago
Yes but the Goa'uld never used shields did they? And the Federation should call help from the Klingons and Romulans, disruptors vs. Goa'uld lasers? I think that that would be possible.
Kippenbestaan 3 years ago
Um Voyager was a long range scouting vessel of course it would loose to covenant cruisers and motherships.
lmille07 3 years ago
homeworld 2 song :D yeah :)
piterHW 3 years ago
I love this video. :)
ytbigjim 3 years ago
Hey here's a idea. Would Voyager come out on top were she facing the Covenant battle cursier Truth and Reconciliation from Halo?
thefourthstooge89 3 years ago
Nope the covenant CCS cruiser would kick its ass, as would an Ori mothership
rockitout42 3 years ago
what is with this guy block him
colin8696908 3 years ago
ever want to fight is a galactic war against the Trek Milky Way.....against all the known races combined that has been spotted on all Trek series (From the Classic Trek Doomsday machine to Species 8274 on Voyager. Even the Xindi with their planet killing spheres from Enterprise (No telling what they have in the TNG universe, but a guess could be made.. Even 8472 destroyed a Borg planet with a squadron of 8 bio ships in a circle combining the energy of their beams into one, totaling the planet.
Luvcreole 3 years ago
Beams. If they work like they are supposed to, they would be paralyzing the Ha'Tak's systems all over the ship..unless we assume the technology doesn't get affected. True there are variables, but we're basing this off of everything being as we know it to be. I know it gets dicey pitting different techs against each other from different universes and coming up with a comparison, so that's when objective views take over. I've tried for the longest to convince people the last war the Empire would
Luvcreole 3 years ago
Harry, I'm glad to see some real objectivity and tactical analysis with this. It's frustrating to because people chose to ignore facts that are so blatantly obvious in order to achieve their outcomes. And you're right, size isn't everything. In Trek, didn't they learn that about the Jem'Haddar attack fighters? Now what happens if one of those encounters the Ha'tak? Or say a squadron of them? They're smaller than an Inrepid class themselves, so they should get crushed. Ooops, I forgot. POLARON
Luvcreole 3 years ago
this is bulls*** no starfleet vessel or any vessel in star trek can destroy a goa'uld ha'tak...
sasrasmus 3 years ago
now that statment is just blind fanboysm
LordDarthHarry 3 years ago
If they can destroy Borg vessels, they can destroy Ha'Taks.
metabog 3 years ago
i'd like to see a goa'uld ha'tak take on a voth city ship
jvl4289 3 years ago
such BS
Come on, Voyager has a crew of 103 and its TINY to a Hatak. A hatak is fully 1 km long and wide. Its bigger than the enterprise D and E. Enterprise D is 643 m long and E is 685 m.
Amann0407 3 years ago
First of. Chill out abit its just a game.
Second. Size isnt evrything. The intrepid being smaller is the main reson im able to beat the hatak in it. With proper manuvering it cant hit me. If i was just flying straight lines it would shurely destroy me. Besides, in Stargate, there was at least 1 instance when an even smaller Alkesh disabeled a Hatak.
LordDarthHarry 3 years ago
with the Ha'tak's shields being down in the first place yes (the SG-1 team was about to release the stargate into the sun to blow it up so Apophis's fleet would be destroyed as it was the largest Goa'uld fleet ever assembled at that point), but with its shields up, an Al'kesh cannot even touch a Ha'tak. Voyager can't either. That is my point. Besides, a Ha'tak is pretty accurate with its fire. Voyager should have taken at least a few hits. Besides, I doubt its weapons would break a hatak shield.
Amann0407 3 years ago 2
honestly now, if you want to get really, REALLY technical, you can talk about how the 'shield harmonics' are at different frequencies, soo they might not be used to federation technology. so...HA. and anyways, what are you using to compare the power of federation weapons and shields, to that of the Goa'uld (or whoever they stole the technology from) so a high intensity, focused beam of energy could destabilize a force field, and rip open a ship. Honestly tho, who is worrying? (hehe)
byrinuser 3 years ago
Yeah, Legacy did have some good graphics but the game play just wasn't great. I liked the Starfleet Command Trilogy more than that game, of course you could do some nifty flips with Legacy, but there was a whole lack of maneuvers you were able to use with Command.
And on to the Ha'tak v. Intrepid, well, Intrepid's firepower lacks, but the phasers are what kills the ha'tak. Ha'tak's weapons are far more powerful yet inaccurate. All in all maneuvers and phasers saved the Intrepid.
Ubergynormousmullet 3 years ago
thats what i'm talking about graphics makes the game much nicer and i don't understand why these videos are mad weird it's not like legacy..........you know its not like first person ship control you can't see phaser or torpedo status shields..............why..............mentioned some thing about cinematic view don't do that make it normal please
budakaiunderscore 3 years ago
i think legacy is much better
budakaiunderscore 3 years ago
Graphiks-Yes
Gameplay-No
I know it only from other peoples descriptions and videos. But from what i saw Ships in legacy move..well strange. then there are those 100% hit weapons (never seen a single miss in that game)
LordDarthHarry 3 years ago
one photon would be enough :)
Kronosk2 3 years ago
one hit from the ha'tak would disable intrepid's shields, and another hit would destroy intrepid altogether...
sovietdreadnought 3 years ago
I think the intrepid would be able to destroy a Ha'tak with one hit
DrinkOmally 3 years ago
Good video, but I stll can't hear the Goa'uld weapons fire!
ytbigjim 3 years ago
This is a really funny and nerdy argument/discussion! But Seeing as every time Voyager got hit by anything its shields were down to like 10 percent, and the fact that the Massive Hatak could repel nuclear explosions with hardly any shield damage...Id say this video is downright wrong!
MikePetel 3 years ago
It only beats it in the game because you make the Ha'tak so inaccurate and the star trek ship shoots instantly.
metalictempest 3 years ago
Odyssey with Asgard tech owns them all
DinadanX 3 years ago
the game is called star trek bridge comander
StarTrekVoyagerFan1 3 years ago
what game was the bit at the start when u where inside the ship
copsarmy 3 years ago
Oh, I see what happened, after watching the other Voyager-Ha'tak video. You turned off the homing feature of the Gou'ald fire, while leaving Voyager's weapons at 100% accuracy. One way to guarantee a win for your favorite, I guess.
WUZLE 3 years ago
Well said & true!
Thank you WUZLE
ytbigjim 3 years ago
how in the world do plasma bursts home in on anything after it's been fired in a particular direction...
jvl4289 3 years ago
good question
ytbigjim 3 years ago
Yeah, Wraith cannons did curve when the USAF Pheonix was attacked in the end of season 4????
jnadreth 3 years ago
ask the ancients
ORACLE063 3 years ago 2
Voyager weapon accuracy: 100%
Ha'tak weapon accuracy: 0% (after the first few seconds).
Set your simulator so the enemy ship cannot score and hits and yes, you're going to win.
WUZLE 3 years ago 4
i love it when a ship goes to red alert
CarlosOttawa 4 years ago 2
As a result of Voyagers inferior shields and armor as well as their weak rate of fire in comparison to the powerful Ha'tack, one must conclude that the Ha'tack would have defeated Voyager with ease.
Anciets 4 years ago
In the series... voyager could destroy Borg ships with some damage but still at proficent power. it also used kronoton toorpedoes some of the most advanced in the federation and even wepons from the future. and beside the deadules could destroy a Ha'tak with its new and old wepons.
zboi778 4 years ago
Voyager did not use kronoton torpedoes at all. It had two kinds, photon torpedoes, which are antimatter/matter explosives, and tri colbalt devices. It only had 3 of the tri cobalt devices, while extremely powerful are not effective against shields because of their slow expansion rate. And also Voyager did not recieve weapons from the future until the last episode "Endgame." *name the episode where the deadules actually destroys an Ha'tak vessel, with or without their new weaponry.
Anciets 4 years ago
by the way voyager destroyed two borg ships, a tactical cube with the assistance of a borg sphere. And a scout ship that has minimal weapons and shields. The only other time they destroy a borg ship is when they use tranphasic torpedoes from the future.
Anciets 4 years ago
not true...they destroyed a damaged one in orbit around a planet in habited with borg. Chakotae might have been under their influence but none the less they destroyed.
zboi778 3 years ago
My point zboi778 is Voyager did not destroy borg ships with ease. Exemplified by the fact that the borg ship they destroyed in the episode you are refering to was damaged before hand.