Nice talk. One point-- It was long ago disproved that that complex carbs take longer to convert to glucose than all simple carbs. See studies by David Jenkins, MD, who pioneered the glycemic index. Fructose, a simple carb, raises glucose levels much slower than starches like white bread and white rice, complex carbs. This myth is repeated a million times on the web, but it's simply not true.
If you are trying to stay fit and all-around healthy, carbohydrates are just as important (if not more so) a macronutrient as protein. They are the body's primary source of fuel. While protein provides caloric for the body, it is put to better use maintaining it instead of being burned. That is why high protein, low carbohydrate diets are absolute shit.
A search for 'Sugar: The Bitter Truth' is worth doing, it has a good explanation why it's not as simple as calories in, calories out, and notes that not all sugars are the same in terms of satiety. The key thing is the fibre you eat with your carbs, and leptin / insulin response not the carbs themselves.
Following the Scooby's forum dietary advice is not suitable for everyone - I lost weight on his diet alright, sadly it was largely muscle. :(
@Ignitionnet If Dr. Lustig was right, let him present the scientific research that backs his claims up.
Alan Aragon wrote a great article about Lustig: "The bitter truth about fructose alarmism". You may want to read it, to get a different view on Lustig's claims.
@Evilcyber I already have read it. Its' only real point seemed to be that he was wrong to focus so much on fructose. While the focus was fructose he certainly covered all sugars. Are you suggesting Lustig is wrong about the differences between the metabolism of fructose and glucose, or that fructose doesn't cause an insulin response or induce insulin desensitivity in muscle and leptin insensitivity overall?
@Ignitionnet No, the point is that Lustig has no scientific backup about his theories and Aragon did a good job disseminating that: "Taking a hard look at the data above, it appears that the rise in obesity is due in large part to an increase in caloric intake across the board, rather than an increase in carbohydrate in particular".
There is not one single study in the world that prove one macronutrient led to a greater weight gain than another, when both present the same caloric value.
@Evilcyber that was not his claim. His claim was that fructose consumption lead to increased calorie consumption due to its' effects on leptin and insulin. Please note I specifically mentioned satiety. The law of thermodynamics still rules all! This said he also noted the differences in the way sugars are metabolised which may or may not contribute - fructose produces more lipids than glucose while being metabolised due to the lipid producing liver being the only place that can metabolise it.
@Ignitionnet No, in an interview with the UCSF he specifically said that fructose "forces energy into fat all the time".
And even if the metabolic pathway for fructose is different, it still requires a hypercaloric diet to gain weight. When you say the "law of thermodynamics still rules all", you also have to acknowledge this as fact, a calorie is a calorie - which you denied in your first posting.
To say if consumption of fructose leads to less satiety or not I lack the data.
@Evilcyber Nah I just said it's not as simple as that, which it isn't.Fructose is more prone to fat conversion than glucose due to its' metabolic pathway - more calories hit the liver, more there that needs to either be metabolised or converted to fat. Studies have been done showing fructose conversion to lipids despite calorific deficit with energy being drawn from other sources. Google glucose fructose fat.
Why bother... you've already lost by just starting an argument on the internet, and trying to dress up your ridiculous arguement with fancy language just makes you sound like even more of an idiot.
If you want to lose weight, eating a fair amount of simple carbohydrate contents will simply make you put on MORE weight (assuming this isn't after a workout / morning meal). Sure you get your vitamins from fruits but honestly there other other sources for that.
Also keep in mind when losing weight, your metabolic rate should be steady, and eating lots of simple carbs will spike insulin levels, then shortly after drastically lower them = bad
@Oblivionplayer12345 Sorry, but no: to put on weight you always need to eat excess energy. Bodyweight doesn't come out of nowhere. Have a look at my BMR and TDEE video.
@Evilcyber Ok this is how it works. In the case of complex carbohydrates, the body breaks down and digests the glucose gained from the nutriet. Since it does this slowly, the body is able to expend ALL of the glucose energy from that nutrient.
When digesting simple carbs, glucose is borken down QUICKLY, which means the body (in a normal situation) cannot use up ALL of the enrgy just gained, and so the REMAINING glucose (not used) is turned into GLYCOGEN and stored in fat cells. :)
@Oblivionplayer12345 Actually glucose isn't broken down at all. Glucose is a monosaccharide and the form of sugar the body uses for energy, as said in the video. Glycogen then isn't stored in fat cells, fat is - hence the name "fat cells".
About the rest: If what you said was true, then eating no matter what amount of complex carbs would never make you gain fat. And if I ate only 500 calories per day, only in form of simple carbs, would I gain weight? I dare to say no :)
@Evilcyber You can hide behind your technical corrections and extreme examples but you still don't address the main point.
In most cases, your body will have some energy stored in the muscle and ofc fat cells. Eating sugar will provide a large surge of energy that the body cannot expend at once. So, what does it do with that excess enregy? right it stores it in either a) Muscle(so long as stores are not full) or b) creates fat cells.
@Oblivionplayer12345 Those small technicalities are the foundation of how using energy in the body works. And if what you said was correct, then that would be truly revolutionary, because the first law of thermodynamics would have to be rewritten, would it not?
And those example are extreme, but are correct. If not, please tell me why not. As said in the fat burning zone video, your body always uses a mixture of both, carbs and fat.
@Evilcyber The only revolutionary concepts made here are the interesting claims you invent. You seem to go against most nutritionalist courses, yet you make yourself out to be a veteran of the subject.
Btw, next time you discuss something - try and actually address the points made in a post. You seem to diverge and bash the technical terms when in reality the general idea remains the same.
oh well at least you explain the very basic concept so good for you :) bb
@Oblivionplayer12345 Nope, I'm not diverting, it's you, as so far you couldn't tell me why I would gain weight if I only ate carbohydrates, but stayed below my TDEE.
If you were told this at some nutrionalist courses, then ask the people giving those courses how that would work: How can energy come out of nowhere? I'd also encourage you to talk to biologists and read scientific research on the subject.
If complex carbs take longer to turn into glucose, will that result in extra calories burned also just by digesting? I know there's no such thing as negative calories, but I mean complex vs simple digesting.
@RippedSupreme Good question! When the caloric value of a food gets calculated, the amount of energy needed to burn it and the net amount you get out of it are already put into the equation.
In other words: A 100 calories from simple carbs and a 100 calories from complex carbs are the same energy-wise.
@Evilcyber uhh i guess you are mistaken i m all online during day i actually never close my web browser window :) i m kinda a reader type i read almost everything i still dont feel myself to give advices all around i fear i misinform people so like that.. :) oh btw you guys are doing something great! you people helped me and give the courage and information to change my (no exaggeration here) miserable life around, and i am helping others to rise their life standards :))
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shrimponbbq991 1 month ago
excellent video
564563456 1 month ago
Nice work
chillyt1 3 months ago
Nice talk. One point-- It was long ago disproved that that complex carbs take longer to convert to glucose than all simple carbs. See studies by David Jenkins, MD, who pioneered the glycemic index. Fructose, a simple carb, raises glucose levels much slower than starches like white bread and white rice, complex carbs. This myth is repeated a million times on the web, but it's simply not true.
kennybellew 5 months ago
hey great!!!!!!!!!!! video
chchi34 7 months ago
thanks dude
booboojr67 7 months ago
im 29 and this is the first time i have understood this. great video and thanks
sine0 7 months ago
Great video! After watching a few others, I was still confused until I watched yours. Now I know what to look for.
green2882 9 months ago
@green2882 Thanks man, that's a great compliment!
Evilcyber 9 months ago
GReat video
Perfect
ATOMMIK1969 1 month ago
Very good video.
Golfgtiguy 9 months ago
Thankyou, well expained - very clear...
thebabykitchen 11 months ago
THE most helpful video i could find. exactly what i wanted to know.
mrwjholland 1 year ago
@mrwjholland Thanks! Glad you found it helpful!
Evilcyber 11 months ago
If you are trying to stay fit and all-around healthy, carbohydrates are just as important (if not more so) a macronutrient as protein. They are the body's primary source of fuel. While protein provides caloric for the body, it is put to better use maintaining it instead of being burned. That is why high protein, low carbohydrate diets are absolute shit.
MicheasTheMighty2 1 year ago
wow, you saved me a lot of time. thank you very much!
R4PTORSDYNASTY 1 year ago
That was extremely helpful, thanks a bunch man.
JimboJ1981 1 year ago 4
@JimboJ1981 I'm glad it helped you out! All the best!
Evilcyber 1 year ago
Yet another good video.
robertmatthewking 1 year ago 2
I'll PM you on Scoobysworkshop if that's ok - makes more sense than endless posts here. Thanks again for the discussion.
Ignitionnet 1 year ago
A search for 'Sugar: The Bitter Truth' is worth doing, it has a good explanation why it's not as simple as calories in, calories out, and notes that not all sugars are the same in terms of satiety. The key thing is the fibre you eat with your carbs, and leptin / insulin response not the carbs themselves.
Following the Scooby's forum dietary advice is not suitable for everyone - I lost weight on his diet alright, sadly it was largely muscle. :(
Ignitionnet 1 year ago
@Ignitionnet If Dr. Lustig was right, let him present the scientific research that backs his claims up.
Alan Aragon wrote a great article about Lustig: "The bitter truth about fructose alarmism". You may want to read it, to get a different view on Lustig's claims.
Evilcyber 1 year ago
@Evilcyber I already have read it. Its' only real point seemed to be that he was wrong to focus so much on fructose. While the focus was fructose he certainly covered all sugars. Are you suggesting Lustig is wrong about the differences between the metabolism of fructose and glucose, or that fructose doesn't cause an insulin response or induce insulin desensitivity in muscle and leptin insensitivity overall?
Ignitionnet 1 year ago
@Ignitionnet No, the point is that Lustig has no scientific backup about his theories and Aragon did a good job disseminating that: "Taking a hard look at the data above, it appears that the rise in obesity is due in large part to an increase in caloric intake across the board, rather than an increase in carbohydrate in particular".
There is not one single study in the world that prove one macronutrient led to a greater weight gain than another, when both present the same caloric value.
Evilcyber 1 year ago
@Evilcyber that was not his claim. His claim was that fructose consumption lead to increased calorie consumption due to its' effects on leptin and insulin. Please note I specifically mentioned satiety. The law of thermodynamics still rules all! This said he also noted the differences in the way sugars are metabolised which may or may not contribute - fructose produces more lipids than glucose while being metabolised due to the lipid producing liver being the only place that can metabolise it.
Ignitionnet 1 year ago
@Ignitionnet No, in an interview with the UCSF he specifically said that fructose "forces energy into fat all the time".
And even if the metabolic pathway for fructose is different, it still requires a hypercaloric diet to gain weight. When you say the "law of thermodynamics still rules all", you also have to acknowledge this as fact, a calorie is a calorie - which you denied in your first posting.
To say if consumption of fructose leads to less satiety or not I lack the data.
Evilcyber 1 year ago
@Evilcyber Nah I just said it's not as simple as that, which it isn't.Fructose is more prone to fat conversion than glucose due to its' metabolic pathway - more calories hit the liver, more there that needs to either be metabolised or converted to fat. Studies have been done showing fructose conversion to lipids despite calorific deficit with energy being drawn from other sources. Google glucose fructose fat.
Good speaking with you by the way - thank you!
Ignitionnet 1 year ago
Great video Evilcyber!
@Oblivionplayer12345
Why bother... you've already lost by just starting an argument on the internet, and trying to dress up your ridiculous arguement with fancy language just makes you sound like even more of an idiot.
tvdownloads 1 year ago
If you want to lose weight, eating a fair amount of simple carbohydrate contents will simply make you put on MORE weight (assuming this isn't after a workout / morning meal). Sure you get your vitamins from fruits but honestly there other other sources for that.
Also keep in mind when losing weight, your metabolic rate should be steady, and eating lots of simple carbs will spike insulin levels, then shortly after drastically lower them = bad
Oblivionplayer12345 1 year ago
@Oblivionplayer12345 Sorry, but no: to put on weight you always need to eat excess energy. Bodyweight doesn't come out of nowhere. Have a look at my BMR and TDEE video.
Evilcyber 1 year ago
@Evilcyber Ok this is how it works. In the case of complex carbohydrates, the body breaks down and digests the glucose gained from the nutriet. Since it does this slowly, the body is able to expend ALL of the glucose energy from that nutrient.
When digesting simple carbs, glucose is borken down QUICKLY, which means the body (in a normal situation) cannot use up ALL of the enrgy just gained, and so the REMAINING glucose (not used) is turned into GLYCOGEN and stored in fat cells. :)
Oblivionplayer12345 1 year ago
@Oblivionplayer12345 Actually glucose isn't broken down at all. Glucose is a monosaccharide and the form of sugar the body uses for energy, as said in the video. Glycogen then isn't stored in fat cells, fat is - hence the name "fat cells".
About the rest: If what you said was true, then eating no matter what amount of complex carbs would never make you gain fat. And if I ate only 500 calories per day, only in form of simple carbs, would I gain weight? I dare to say no :)
Evilcyber 1 year ago
@Evilcyber You can hide behind your technical corrections and extreme examples but you still don't address the main point.
In most cases, your body will have some energy stored in the muscle and ofc fat cells. Eating sugar will provide a large surge of energy that the body cannot expend at once. So, what does it do with that excess enregy? right it stores it in either a) Muscle(so long as stores are not full) or b) creates fat cells.
Fyi fat doesn't make you fat, sugar does.
Oblivionplayer12345 1 year ago
@Oblivionplayer12345 Those small technicalities are the foundation of how using energy in the body works. And if what you said was correct, then that would be truly revolutionary, because the first law of thermodynamics would have to be rewritten, would it not?
And those example are extreme, but are correct. If not, please tell me why not. As said in the fat burning zone video, your body always uses a mixture of both, carbs and fat.
Evilcyber 1 year ago
@Evilcyber The only revolutionary concepts made here are the interesting claims you invent. You seem to go against most nutritionalist courses, yet you make yourself out to be a veteran of the subject.
Btw, next time you discuss something - try and actually address the points made in a post. You seem to diverge and bash the technical terms when in reality the general idea remains the same.
oh well at least you explain the very basic concept so good for you :) bb
Oblivionplayer12345 1 year ago
@Oblivionplayer12345 Nope, I'm not diverting, it's you, as so far you couldn't tell me why I would gain weight if I only ate carbohydrates, but stayed below my TDEE.
If you were told this at some nutrionalist courses, then ask the people giving those courses how that would work: How can energy come out of nowhere? I'd also encourage you to talk to biologists and read scientific research on the subject.
Evilcyber 1 year ago
Thanks for explaining this! I was really distracted by your cat in the background, since I am a fan of animals. Lol.
Silvia1826 1 year ago
@Silvia1826 They often manage to sneak in and I don't even notice ;)
Evilcyber 1 year ago
Great vid. thx dude
BcmeTheCatalyst 1 year ago
If complex carbs take longer to turn into glucose, will that result in extra calories burned also just by digesting? I know there's no such thing as negative calories, but I mean complex vs simple digesting.
RippedSupreme 1 year ago
@RippedSupreme Good question! When the caloric value of a food gets calculated, the amount of energy needed to burn it and the net amount you get out of it are already put into the equation.
In other words: A 100 calories from simple carbs and a 100 calories from complex carbs are the same energy-wise.
Evilcyber 1 year ago
a lot of people don't know what the carbs in milk are
0wenSlattery 1 year ago
@0wenSlattery The major carb in milk is lactose (from Latin "lac" = milk). Lactose is a simple carbohydrate made up of glucose and galactose.
Evilcyber 1 year ago
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877EKM 1 year ago
Another stunning video by Evil! I'd give it 5 stars but seems they did away with that
877EKM 1 year ago
This new layout is kinda confusing me! :)
Evilcyber 1 year ago
how about making a similar video about proteins ? :D
xenonnati 1 year ago
@xenonnati That's a great idea! Thanks!
Evilcyber 1 year ago
Guys, about the forum: We are still having issues with the domain being resolved correctly, but hopefully by tomorrow it will be completely settled.
I was quite amazed when I saw people logged in while I couldn't :))
Evilcyber 1 year ago
seems to work perfectly now, I could even reply to the thread.
0wenSlattery 1 year ago
nice video again thanks!
canvargun 1 year ago
@canvargun Canvar, speaking about the forum: Haven't seen you in a while or am I wrong? :)
Evilcyber 1 year ago
@Evilcyber uhh i guess you are mistaken i m all online during day i actually never close my web browser window :) i m kinda a reader type i read almost everything i still dont feel myself to give advices all around i fear i misinform people so like that.. :) oh btw you guys are doing something great! you people helped me and give the courage and information to change my (no exaggeration here) miserable life around, and i am helping others to rise their life standards :))
canvargun 1 year ago
@canvargun Actually I think modest people like you give the best advice!
Evilcyber 1 year ago
gawd ! i can't log on to the new forum. also can't see any of the images xD
i know im impatient , maybe next time @_@
xenonnati 1 year ago
@xenonnati Hopefully soon :)
Evilcyber 1 year ago
For simple carbs,use honey :) It works really great after intense cardio ! Great video as always Evil! :)
Cannibalizer93 1 year ago
@Cannibalizer93 Yep, honey has the added benefit that it comes with minerals and other nutrients.
Evilcyber 1 year ago
but Evil. candy bars taste so gooooooooooood. :)
great vid though!
michaelzwarszawy 1 year ago
@michaelzwarszawy As if I don't know ;)
Evilcyber 1 year ago
Love your videos. :)
ChangeFitnessForever 1 year ago
@ChangeFitnessForever Thanks! :)
Evilcyber 1 year ago
awesome video as always :)
asihall 1 year ago
@asihall Thanks man! :)
Evilcyber 1 year ago
good video, keep up the great work
0wenSlattery 1 year ago
@0wenSlattery Thanks 0wen! I appreciate it!
Evilcyber 1 year ago
Keep up the good work. We can't have enough good information out there ;)
basejump8 1 year ago
gr8 vid
playingwithfire23 1 year ago
@playingwithfire23 Thanks Fire! :)
Evilcyber 1 year ago