AC360: Tony Perkins vs Lisa Bloom on Prop 8: Perkins Claims Riots Going On

[gombis666]

Who destroyed the sanctity of marriage? Straight people destroyed the "sanctity" of marriage.

[moogle301]

She is very very articulate and smart at making her point. (A good point). I didn't even know her before now.

[moogle301]

1 min in. Um, Tony.. YES, the states which recently voted down SSmarriage voted in Obama, but at the time that B+W marriage was legalised these states would have voted that down, just like SSM is being voted down now. His argument will have no validity until 50 years or so, THEN if it is still being voted down he will have a slightly point (although still a bad one as minority rights should not be up for vote). The courts pretty much always lead the way in civil rights, this is no different.

[hypnocil10]

Lisa bloom is a bush pig.

i hope somebody drops a bomb on the protesters.

[koikopy]

Amen to Lisa she handled that douche bag

[Patrick470]

I love Lisa Bloom ! - Very smart Women !

[summersonset]

Can I please marry Lisa Bloom? :))

[MrEbonyman]

Lisa is as stupid as her crazy Mother Gloria! Yes, we voted gay marriage down in California, Arizona, and my home State of Florida! Oh Yes!

[dimmutaker]

LOL. She's a very smart lady. And of course the majority is trying to opress the minority here. what would had happened if they let the people decide in the late '50s to end segregation????... Of course the courts are there and the bill of rights, to protect the right of the minorities. Nutjobs only think otherwise.

[tuesdaymalone]

no, i have to marry her! she's so delightful.

[zez123]

so so so so so many people don't understand....

we've already won. it is nothing more then a simple matter of time. love will conquer hate. end of story.

[ameeks]

Did anyone else catch that Tony Perkins described marriage as a "5,000 year old institution"? ... Not that i'm surprised he's a creationist, but usually Perkins is better as hiding he his true worldview from the American public.

[tbnchef]

The people of this country are tired of the faggots strutting their sick shit in front of all of us.Sucking another man's dick is just wrong and everyone knows it-especially the mos themselves.

[RodTalon0000]

tbnchef lol your speaking for the people of this country? The "people" of this country are tired of biggots and sociopaths ;) and I love Anderson Cooper, he's a homosexual man in power, forcing positive influence on national TV... get used to it bro, this is the future

[Footlvr69]

I would die to eat Lisa Bloom's SHIT as she is so FUCKING HOTT

[lnoll85]

Frankly, kenzieknights, how the hell does it affect you personally? No one is going to give up. If anything, they're more fired up about the future of the movement. If you look at the exit polls, the young voters overwhelmingly voted no on prop 8, so the future of the country is in the hands of those who support equal rights for all. It's going to happen. You're going to have to learn in a world with people who aren't exactly like you.

[Kenzieknights]

I hope these fags get over thier issues. The people got togather and told them NO. I think the terrist activies they are doing now is horrifiying. Do they really think they can bully America into supporting them.

By the Way Gay rights is a joke. People are gay by choice and it is as simple as that.

[rezface]

ha! yes! thanks for posting this.

[DiDar08]

Great point that it has been "redefined many times". The issue that the opponents of equal rights (aka gay marriage) have is who has the right to affect social change. People like this guy want to exclude gay people from the equation altogether. Wasn't marriage originally a contract that would give the husband ownership of a newly acquired chattel (ie: the wife)? I think traditional marriage has been abandoned and transformed many times since its inception.

[bobcarp23]

I feel sorry for this guy's children. There're gonna be just as screwed up as he is. Hopefully they (his kids) will break the cycle of igorance.

[colt553]

Why is he blathering on about "don't redefine it for everyone else"?  No one else's marriages are going to be affected. Heterosexual marriages aren't going to be dissolved.

[hotmarriedgays]

uh, OK Anderson Cooper...this was the perfect opportunity for you to finally come out as a gay man and ask "hey, Tony, how come Britney Spears can have a drunken 5 minute marriage, but my partner and I have to hire lawyers and write up legal contracts to get even half the rights she does?"

[kathyyem]

WTG LIST... THANK YOU!

[jokojay]

Tony Perkins was caught sucking dick in the past.

[macknwilly]

I have said this before, majority does not always rules. That is what makes america a great country. Based on protection under the constitution. If majority ruled, we should pick one religion and everyone has to practice. Sound fair, I can promise ONE would win, still think majority rules.?

[rdhuffman2007]

It's time for all closeted gays to come out of the closet and all openly gay people to stand up for all our rights. It is clearly discrimination against a minority group. This issue is just the beginning. Protest are going to continue across the country this Saturday to fight this.

[pablomra]

Lisa rules. Go Girl!

[bbs5ekata]

what is the deal with so many Christian right spokespeople leaning hard on the "We are victims here!" thing??? It's in almost every reaction to controversial subjects and news items for the last 40 years. "There's a lion behind every door"

[NOtoPROP8]

Lisa Bloom rules!

Tony Perkins is a bigot. This was oppression. Rights were taken away.

[formp3]

it's been redefined many times

/slap!

[FallenAngelIII]

What? More lies from the pro-ban side? Shocking!

[dattexas]

Tony is just another hateful religious bigot. No different from the others.

Lisa Bloom cleaned his clock!!! Go, Lisa!!

[cjd2112]

Tony Perkins needs to STFU and read about state law and civil rights. This happened to African-American's and the courts stepped in and over turned that legalized bigotry. Now it's happening to homosexuals (which is NOT a choice, get real). I LOVE Lisa Bloom, good on her!

[wntoply6]

i just can't stant tony perkins. he's nothing more than a self appointed spokesman for christ.

if there is ignorant evil in this world, perkins is it.

[Dblock7185]

Tribal paul...... doesn't speak for every black person in this country maybe the ones in california who voted for this or him self. As a black man I've always said blacks should be the last to discriminate against any one. The ones in California who voted for it should be ashame of them selves period. I'm sorry this happen in california just know that not every blacks share his views because I don't.conquer and divide is what the Gop is up to....

[cjd2112]

Dblock, thank you, I appreciate your words and it gives me hope that equal rights for EVERYONE will one day be a common right. Coretta Scott King (God rest her soul) stated that we should make room for our gay brothers and sisters, I only wish that more people would open their eyes to the hatred, ignorance and injustice surrounding this sad day, when history was made and Obama became Pres. Elect, our country also took a huge step back in civil liberties.

[godlesspatriot]

Tony Perkins is a douchebag.

he doesn't care about family. he cares about his narrow-minded ideology for a family, and forcing it upon others.

[redkenguy]

Lisa Bloom is amazing!

[RedToryProductions]

hey bigots !!

Jesus said the Centurion and his "pais" [ catamite/boyfriend/lover ] were an example for all Israel.

Matt ch8vs5-13 / Luke ch7vs 1-10

The religious rights of gay-positive churches (like the Metropolitan Community Church in Toronto that started gay marriage in Canada) must be protected by the state. Equal civil rights are for every citizen.

[Kenzieknights]

Fags have rights, but they are not given special rights because they are gay.

Who gives a fuck what Jesus said as he was a story like everything else in the bible.

[uyd]

Oh Perkins is from the Family Reseach COuncil. How did these biggoted fools get the right, or think they have the right, to preach and put into practice discrimination against gays? How are these "people" the paragon of family and family values?

[uyd]

It's sad Prop 8 passed on the same night WE voted in our first black President. What nerve this guy has speaking out on religious bigotry while working to justify the passage of a law that discriminates against an entire class of tax paying citizens! Also, you can put anything up on the ballot, via proposition, in California provided you get enough signatures. It needs to be harder to amend the California Consitution!!!

[Hicksville]

This Bloom chick is fucking fiiiiiiiine.

[TribeTPaul]

Homosexuals, DoNOt attempt to wrap yourselfin our suffering. Homosexuals have benefited from the slave trade. Homosexuals also yell the word "Nigger" just like any other white supremacists. Keep us out of your arguement.

[CaliforniaAfrican]

Tribe,

Re-read the wording of Loving v. Virginia, please.

Oppression is oppression in any form.

[kevinthe1st]

"...an injustice anywhere is a threat to justice everywhere."

I'm paraphrasing.

a LOT of black folks yell the word "faggot", or how about "...nigga,you gay".

It's a lot of gay black folks.

[GreatBigChangeComin]

why is it up to this prick what other people do? who gives a shit what that robot thinks. let gay people get married, why is it up to straight people to decide if gay people can get married? making the bible law is unconstitutional. we have important things to deal with, this is not an issue, not a problem. hey mr. christian, stop pretending you dont masturbate and stop forcing your lame ideas on other people. let the gays get married, for christ sake.

[Kenzieknights]

Its up to the American people to decided and well they decided.

30 states have full bans. So thankfully there are people with brains still in this world.

[boundless1986]

if there was a vote in the south about desegregation in the schools where do you think we would be

[press1500]

Prop 9 to have Mormonism declared a cult, and let's see if perkins believes in majority rules on that.

[kargenlewis]

fucking right wing christians are goin to get their asses kicked!

[freesoul2005]

Tony looks so evil

[heireApparent]

8'D Lisa bloom is the best.

[cvjucla3]

Classic case of interest groups crafting a state measure to circumvent state law.

[cvjucla3]

There's nothing wrong w/ it though. I'm for state measures to implement law. Yet, if its not legal than the law needs judicial review. Perkins wants to silence this process, which needs to be reviewed. Gay marriage is an issue that I see going to the Supreme Court. Bloom was good to cite The 14 Amendment and State Law as well here.

[kcp12304]

this is a classic seperate but equal argument

you could interchange the words civil unions with segregation

[cvjucla3]

Yeah, this will not hold up.

[iTellYouNoLie]

the main argument against direct democracy.

[webmike720]

prop 8 campain lied about teaching same sex marriage in schools, total LIE!!! they say it was going to destroy families, not true. prop 8 overturn would be great, becuz the str8 parent are teaching their children to hate gay and lesbian people, by saying it's wrong, so really the ruling of prop 8 shouldn't of been passed at all for their lies and hurting others by not letting them marry the PERSON they love the most! Love and Marriage doesnt have to do with marriage.

[webmike720]

but the prop 8 campain lied about teaching same sex marriage in school, total LIE!!! they say it going to destroy families, not true. prop 8 overturn would be great, becuz the str8 parent are teaching there children to hate gay and lesbian prople, by saying it's wrong, so really the ruling of prop 8 should be passed at all for their lies and hurting others by not letting them marry the PERSON they love the most! Love doesn't have to do with gender, marriage doesnt have to do with marriage either

[McCainTheTurdburglar]

Boycott Utah. If the Mormons want to spend over 20 million dollars telling the people of California what they can and can't do, people who are supportive of gays need to boycott Utah. Maybe next time the Mormon church will think twice about telling the rest of America what they should do. I've visited Utah twice- never again. No more ski trips, no more visiting Arches, etc. Hit 'em where it hurts- in their purse. And I hope the gay community continues to protest outside the Mormon churches.

[lockemonkey]

marriage is gay

[erkekler]

gay marriage is inevitable. Either the Calif. Supreme Court or the 9th circuit court will strike down Proposition 8.

Meanwhile, I hope a 8.0-magnitude earthquake strikes Salt Lake City.

[brawnymike]

I have first-hand experience with "un"-equal treatment under CA's Domestic Partner law, which allows DPs the right to act on behalf of their partner:

My DP was incompacitated & had filed for short-term disability with the State of CA. He received notice his claim was being denied as incomplete, so I called to find out what other info the State sought. Although I identified myself, CA refused to speak to anyone but my DP or "his wife." It was CA's law, & CA was breaking it!

[studio7manga]

Lisa Bloom for president! She handed Tony Perkins his ass!  Best debater I've seen in a while.

[TheAbsurdHero]

Hmm, Tony has a great idea! Have different institutions that are separate... but equal! Surely that will fix everything as it hasn't been tried before in this country.

[brawnymike]

TheAbsurdHero,

Thank you. Exactly my point (but with a wry sarcasm which I so appreciate).

[corbaman]

So it seems to me this is clearly not binding. I'd suggest that supporters of same-sex marriage simply ignore it.

[corbaman]

CALIFORNIA CONSTITUTION

ARTICLE 18 AMENDING AND REVISING THE CONSTITUTION

SEC. 1. The Legislature by rollcall vote entered in the journal,

two-thirds of the membership of each house concurring, may propose an

amendment or revision of the Constitution and in the same manner may

amend or withdraw its proposal. Each amendment shall be so prepared

and submitted that it can be voted on separately.

[brawnymike]

If Proposition 8 is allowed to stand, some anti-gay faiths and churches will dictate whether the State and certain other churches are allowed to call gay unions marriages. If you belonged to a church (such as the UCC & MCC) which felt gay marriages were just, would you want the gov't or the Mormons to dictate your church's religious expression?!

If Proposition 8 is struck down, no church will be REQUIRED to change it's religious expression.

[corbaman]

brawnymike wrote: "If Proposition 8 is struck down, no church will be REQUIRED to change it's religious expression. "

I completely agree with this. I found it ironic that some Prop 8 supporters felt this was a "freedom of religion" issue. It was the opposite.

Before Prop 8, churchs were free to marry whomever they want. Or not marry whomever they didn't feel was appropriate to marry.

Now, Prop 8 (if its allowed to stand) restricts religious freedom of a church to marry same sex couples.

[depfox]

The Majority doesnt have a right to hurt the minority

[corbaman]

Yup, in the last election, people under 30 overwhelmingly opposed Prop 8. People between 30 and 65 were split. People over 65 supported Prop 8.

In other words, it's just a matter of time.

[drugante]

i am really confused!...civil unions has the same rights as being married....can someone explain to me what is the big uproar in California...i feel that gays in america should have all the civil liberties as someone who is not gay...gays can technically still get married in california...but cant call it gay marriage...can someone please reply to me...

[brawnymike]

drugante,

Even were civil unions to specifically encompass the same enumerated rights & obligations of marriage, the two things would still be unequal in practice, as were the "separate but equal" accommodations in the South. The very act of having separate unions or separate drinking fountains sets up an "us & them" or "better vs. lesser" paradigm.

[drugante]

ok!...gays can eat and sleep in the same places that heterosexuals can...but its just the term that they are figthing for? marriage!..i am really trying to understand it...but potatoe, potata?..samething! right?...

[brawnymike]

drugante,

I don't know if you can't or won't understand. What I DO know, however, is that the concept of "separate but equal" is oxymoronic: making groups separate under the law renders them UNEQUAL in actual practice. The Supreme Court (in Brown vs. Board of Education of Topeka, Kansas) stated that very thing, and thus struck down the legal concept of "separate but equal." If the word "marriage" means so little to you, why not let everyone use it?

[drugante]

personally..i really dont care!..call it gay marriage..it doesnt offend me...but its sad that a mormens group has to spend 20 million to campaign against it and they are a bunch of hippocrates...b/c they can have multiple wives and sleep with 5 yr olds!...but i am a pragmatic individual who strictly work with facts..i see no difference in the matter when all the rights are inacted..thats all i am saying..your right! it is oxymoronic..

[maizeysugah]

More than 1,049 federal laws in many categories including Social Security, welfare, veterans, taxation, etc. are based on

the man-woman marriage relationship. All of these things will not be available to gay couples in Arizona because they cannot ger married. They cannot share health benefits, they cannot get their pensions. That's the difference. It's disgusting to seperate human beings from other human beings because of who they love.

[corbaman]

After reading the California Constitution, I'm fairly confident Prop 8 is going to be overturned in California. You don't have to be a lawyer to see that it's clearly illegal and non-binding.

[ERGSEG]

Actually civil unions don't hold the same weight as marraige. Thats why many people are pushing for the federal government to jump in and repackage civil unions so that they cover full rights. To me, civil unions are basically seperate and unequal. Gays should be given the right to marry.

[integral]

Tony's argument doesn't hold water. Gay marriage will eventually be legal here in California as well as other states. It'll just take some time while the forces of intolerance blow their wads.

[wntoply6]

i just had an argument with zennie62 who said the reasons why prop 8 was defeated was because it wasn't worded properly for black voters to understand.

i countered with the fact that blacks can be just as bigoted as whites (in this case was the truth) for which he called me a racist.

i too believe gay marriage will be made legal, not just in my state of massachusetts, but in the entire country via a supreme court decision. separate but equal is not equal by any stretch of the imagination.

[theknightswhosay]

It was titled "eliminates the right to marry for same-sex couples" and it stated "Only marriage between a man and a woman is valid or recognized in California." There was nothing confusing about the ballot, the ad campaigns managed to mislead plenty though.

I think it's more racist to suggest a black person can't read as well a white person myself.

[Kenzieknights]

i hope not.

There is no reason to allow this abomination happen.

Only 6 nations in the world allow this bullshit and I am thankful the American people are standing firm. I am hoping the people who live in the two states who allow this abomination get smart and protest the bullshit and get rid of fag marrage

[Shedaisy13]

Who here thinks Kenzieknights is a homosexual?

A giant homosexual. And that's totally cool.