Democratic Governance is Becoming Discredited

[abram730]

Elections are fixed in America

[Champraves311]

Can youtube please remove that LearnLiberty right wing corporate apologist propaganda think tank bullshit from the side of all these videos, under "suggested videos"? I'm trying to be informed here and these assholes are staining my screen space.

[RetroTheSkywalker]

@Champraves311 They're supposed to be "Libertarian" Lol

[leeroynaggins]

TECHNO! TECHNO!

TECH-NO-CRATIC!!

Yee-yaaahhh!!

[patrickcorliss]

@TheRealNews

Please use a spell-checker. It's "governance" not "governence".

[dankbot420]

@patrickcorliss Minor mistake. The quality of the reporting surely makes up for the typo.

[55ella2007k]

The banksters/oligarchs are taking full control of all govts. and democracy is an IMPEDIMENT to their machinations. They are openly dropping all pretenses re democracy by APPOINTING bankers/ex-Goldman Sachs people as HEADS of govt in Greece + Italy. The term 'technocrats' is misleading, they are predators intent on crushing the will of the people. Read Petras article on ICH.

[schulwitz]

4:35 "There's such relatively easy fixes" (doesn't specify!)

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Easy fixes? There's no easy fix.  The only "easy fix" is total default of all debts public and private.

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Here's an easy fix: Ron Paul. The first politician who will allow the people to make their own money!

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By repealing legal tender laws, the people - for the first time - will be allowed to make their own money! Until and unless this happens, we will be forever in debt to the "technocrats" and "bankers".

[clockworkscott]

@schulwitz lol. 

[colourmegone]

@schulwitz I tried making my own money but Treasury took a dim view of it. Personally I think being allowed to make my own money would be a wonderful idea and the sooner we get rid of that awful government that stops me doing it, the better.

[patrickcorliss]

@schulwitz

I've seen people advocating the abolition of corporate personhood with some justification. My own preferred "easy solution" is to start arresting people.

I'd start with Rupert Murdoch and Roger Ailes then go on to the big bank players.

[schulwitz]

@patrickcorliss

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"My own preferred "easy solution" is to start arresting people."

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The problem is, the people who control the means of arresting people are those who most need arresting.

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I think your solution is reasonable, but would only be effective if enacted anarchically (e.g. citizen's arrest).

[PrevailingOne]

@schulwitz I want to read more about "making our own money"-I am assuming you are not referring to the pre-fed banking system with multiple currencies and stuff, where can I find out more about this idea?-Thanks!

[schulwitz]

@PrevailingOne

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Hey, thanks for your response!

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To be honest, I'm not sure there's a lot of literature on this topic to date. One place to start might be the wikipedia entry "alternative currency" which some information on this topic.

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The alternative currencies range from local to global solutions. In my opinion, the most promising solution thus far is Bitcoin, because it is decentralized money (i.e. no central control) with global scope.

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Good luck, and let me know what you find/think.

[graaaaaagh]

This is what democracy - and more generally statism - inevitably leads to. When people can vote on how other people's money is spent, you end up with a political tragedy of the commons - no one working for the state has much incentive to be anything but a crook.

[warbread]

Tom Ferguson always looks like he's pissed offed to be on camera.

[iknownothingnow]

The Facts are clear.

Republicrats AND Democans do not represent the citizens. They represent the banks that gave them money – thanks to the secret $13 Trillion dollar loans from the Federal Reserve. Obama & Romney are part of the 1% and continues to be rewarded.

Europe is in recession and the wave is coming here. Watch the unemployment rate go up again. Of course the two headed beast, dems & reps, will blame each other while the banksters take more control.

[greggh]

It's easy to discredit democratic governance when you point to non-democratic government as an example. It's the same trick that was used when pointing to the Soviet Union as an example of Socialism.

[kaxitaksi]

Taxation is "legalized" theft. Pay up or we send uniformed thugs with gunz and licence to kill u, and we'll put u in jail.

[colourmegone]

@kaxitaksi Taxation is not theft, it's the price you pay to live in a civilized society. If you think the price you pay to private sector for the services you receive from government will be lower or less brutally enforced you're a fool.

[schulwitz]

@colourmegone

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"Taxation is not theft, it's the price you pay to live in a civilized society."

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That's the exact same argument that the South used to justify slavery!

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Here's why taxation is immoral: you need to initiate violence (or the threat of violence) against peaceful people.

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Your position reminds me of the old testament, where they killed gays in the name of "civilized society". EVOLVE ALREADY! Initiatory violence, be it against slaves, taxpayers, or homosexuals is always wrong.

[colourmegone]

@schulwitz And so what? The argument stands. So far as evolution your notion of it as a positive force shows your ignorance of it. It is a brutal process lacking volition based on death, reproduction and necessity. So far as your finishing rant, it's just that, a rant. To equate support of good governance, just laws and civil society with the barbarities catalogued in the Old Testament is beyond stupidity.

[schulwitz]

@colourmegone . "And so what? The argument stands." . Haha, ok God. Saying your argument stands does not make it so. . "equate support of good governance, just laws and civil society with the barbarities catalogued in the Old Testament is beyond stupidity." . But that's my point child, the barbarities of the Old Testament WERE considered "good governance". . "evolution as a positive force shows your ignorance of it" . Not when the topic of hand is YOUR self-awareness (or lack thereof).

[colourmegone]

@schulwitz Sorry, didn't realize I was dealing with a stupid troll. I'd invite you to have a nice life but you'll have to get yourself one first.

[schulwitz]

@colourmegone

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Hey, I'm sorry, I didn't realize my comments would damage you so. Sometimes I don't realize how sensitive others are. Please excuse my insensitivity. Best!

[brownie1982ad]

@schulwitz America is not a civilzed society? THey have police who hand out fines to little kids at school. They have slave rape camps. (Prisons.) The USA kills millions of people in it is wars.

[spartan2600]

@OldSchoolSkill Taxation isn't theft since nobody can make money without government and the whole of society in the first place. QE is not actually printing money, its all virtual and it isn't too hard to understand. Technocrat is the best word, since it doesn't only mean bankers, it means government and private-sector bureaucrats alike.

[MadXMax187]

@spartan2600 "nobody can make money without government" WTF planet do you come from? Planet Mao? 

[spartan2600]

@MadXMax187 Whatever planet Warren Buffett and Bill Gates come from. Buffett has said publicly that it is the government and society that allow him to be as rich as he is. He said 'drop me in the middle of Bangladesh, and you'll realize how useless my ability to pick stocks is.' Gates said in a interview with the NYT that he Microsoft wouldn't exist without public infrastructure, especially schools, universities and the patent system. This is common sense, not Marxism.

[mrx0066600]

Fuck Bloomberg.



[starrra1]

SO TRUE ! THANK YOU

[CazyDayz]

for the free market to take control of this country aka Corporatist. Unions Must Go Welfare Must Be Cut We are headed down a road we're there will be a class war and a mini civil war i think. you will always have loyalists to Capital no matter what happens to the country look at the republicans giving tax breaks during a war thats just stupid.

[etzel33]

@CazyDayz Hopefully it won't lead to that. OWS has been thoroughly civil, as they were in Egypt. Fact is that Liberty and Democracy are not opposing ideas; they are essential to each other. Any look to history shows this.

[bumppo3]

it's governance not governence

[QuatFax]

Maybe I don't understand economics well enough, but I just don't get how a stimulus would do anything. I mean, any money the government spends has to be extracted somehow (through taxes, inflation, or debts, which are future taxes). Wouldn't that extraction destroy jobs just as stimulus creates them?

[humaner]

Three words:fat ass greed

[noprofitmaximierung]

Does anyone feel that all this new news is not really new, but predictable activity of unraveling power? Sort of like tearing apart a cloth garment and seeing all the individual strands which you (unconsciously) knew had to be there, but are "new"? This rigid unraveling makes it impossible, for those who have obliterated how the inner strands of power in our system operate, to not see the perfunctory distribution of voice in capitalist "democracies".

"First as tragedy then as farce" (2008;2011)

[pythag123]

Taxation isn't by its nature a form of theft. What is happening to our tax dollars is theft. 

[etzel33]

@pythag123 well yeah... I agree with you there!

[ziger123456]

What can WE do!!??

1. VOTE! it matters when the majority of people turn out! WHY do we allow just 20% of our population pick our "leaders"???

2. Keep in contact with elected officials even if you didn't vote for them - they represent YOU and YOU need to participate

3. Talk to family, friends and neighbors about WHO our "leaders" are

WE can rebuild America only IF Americans participate.

4. DO NOT listen to those who say "don't vote". THEY don't want you to participate, they want you to sleep

[PrevailingOne]

@ziger123456 Ferguson would say its important to organize the population.(your number 3 ) His Investment Model shows how ineffective voting is. Still in class he would describe the marginal differences between electoral outcomes. Your right, participation is key (Broader than voting of course). Have you had a chance to read Walter Dean Burnham's-Disapperance of the American Voter? It's good.

[r0ll0t0masi]

"Democratic Governance"? Is this something to eat?

[etzel33]

@r0ll0t0masi as opposed to "Monarchal Governance", as was the tradition since the dawn of time

[boumar19721972]

@OldSchoolSkill We need a Resource Based Economy /watch?v=4Z9WVZddH9w

[stanjz]

It's precisely because the top bankers paid zero taxes that we have this problem. The wealthy reporters in the media speak of our society in terms of taxes and debt rather than jobs and inflation, which is a way that the suppliers tax the consumers.

[etzel33]

@OldSchoolSkill taxation is not necessarily theft... that's where anarchism fails; otherwise, I agree with you

[sheepOG]

@etzel33 If taxation is not legalised plunder (or theft), what would you call it?

[etzel33]

@sheepOG rent

[etzel33]

well kids... there's no Democracy in Egypt, is there? Is that what we want for America and the world... "no government", just a series of private dictatorships run for the benefit of financial interests? This absurdity, that there can be Liberty without Democracy... right wing BS that supports plutocracy. Government isn't the problem, Corruption is the problem. We don't need less government, we need less corruption!

[elbowbiter1]

If you think voting is cool... your are pissing against the wind. Democracy is dead... the rich are in control and glassy eyed voters are living in a dream world. Don't vote: there is no hope.

[lumpfish99]

that was crazy....a 14 minute chat about american politics and the 2012 election but not one mention of RON PAUL......the conspiracy is bigger than you think....

[etzel33]

@lumpfish99 Ron Paul doesn't want to end banker control, just end the Fed which he sees as a government regulatory agency (which it isn't). Rather than have Congress take back the money power, he would have private banks issue all currency based on commodities that the rich would control. it's sad, because Ron Paul gets lots of good people hooked and then sinks their efforts with a lot of radical, social conservatism

[MyceliaProductions42]

@etzel33 Agreed. I was hooked a few years ago, but I'm more than lackluster about him now. :/

[sirellyn]

@etzel33 What he suggests would end banker control. Everything you see around you is a commodity, it would be impossible to control all of it. Even trying to control one or two would be insanely harder than simply giving one source the ability to produce currency by typing numbers in a computer. Giving people the ability to switch currencies at a whim would break those corrupt systems.

He's got the right idea.

[etzel33]

@sirellyn First, People are not commodities. Money is currently debt. 97% of our money supply is issued privately as bank credit. Ending the Fed will not stop that. This has been a problem for the US since its founding. Only under Lincoln did the US issue currency according to the USC by issuing greenbacks (US Notes, not Federal Reserve Notes). End fractional reserve lending (i.e. fraud) and issue currency directly without government debt.. but that's not RP's solution.

[sirellyn]

@etzel33 No people are not of course. I said everything around you.

Money as a commodity is not debt, it's a credit. Money currently is debt is.

So ending the fed and allowing commodity backed currency would be credit currency. The greenbacks Lincoln printed fell into hyperinflation and worthlessness in a matter of years.

Fractional reserve currency becomes less of an issue if there's no bailouts, and responsibility falls to the bankers to repay. (not FDIC) Thats what RP wants.

[etzel33]

@sirellyn Your understanding of history, like your understanding of economics, is woefully misguided by the Austrian logic. Their policies represent plutocracy, not democracy, which is why Republicans often spout anarchist language when it's convenient. There was no hyperinflation after Lincoln, there was a huge depression, created by the banks using the gold system. Watch Secret of Oz if you're looking for serious history on currency.

[sirellyn]

@etzel33 Okay.. First. You want to ignore the hyperinflation of the greenback. Where the whole expression "as worthless as a greenback" came from. Look up the history yourself.

Then you want me to take lessons in history from a fictional story for which Frank L. Baum (an author not economist) never fully confirmed?

Maybe I should ignore the 80's and learn communist history from the smurfs.

Honestly I don't have time for you if you are going to be that inane.

[etzel33]

@sirellyn There was no hyperinflation, so deal with facts please. Then there is the "programming" aspect of the Mises Institute, which I can't get beyond in youtube comment threads. By the way... Gold Standard WHAT? If you don't believe in taxes, then who is creating the "standard"? If you don't think commodities can be manipulated, then you're simply blind. Ever hear "corner the market"? Fact: the World Bank re-adopted the gold standard in Nov 2010. The Austrians are Wrong

[sirellyn]

@etzel33 Like I said, if you can't even do a google search to cure your ignorance about the greenback there's little point in even talking to you. It's like trying to have a discussion about nazi's with a holocaust denier.

[etzel33]

@sirellyn My ignorance? How about you go F-yourself. Oh yeah, your buddies over there with the Mises crowd... totally John Birch stuff... going back to Fred Koch, so don't try to lecture me with right-wing BS

[sirellyn]

@etzel33 Google "cost of the greenback" first link. New York Times 1865, open the PDF. Top of page 2. 4 years the greenback loses nearly 50% of it's value. The most liberal definition for hyperinflation (HI) is a drop of 10% or more per year. Important because historically this is the point of no return for any currency doomed for HI.

The greenback value was only brought up by incurring US debt. Total debt cost: 2.4 Billion in 1895 dollars.

[etzel33]

@sirellyn goggle "Adolph Hitler Democracy".... "By rejecting the authority of the individual and replacing it by the numbers of some momentary mob, the parliamentary principle of majority rule sins against the basic aristocratic principle of Nature…"

-- Adolf Hitler, Mein Kampf, p. 81

Sounds like your position on Democracy. And your support for incurring US Debt to support dollar value is very strange. Cut and paste your way to Liberty!

[sirellyn]

@etzel33 I do your homework for you. From as reputable a source you can get in 1895 and you still act like a child, amazing.

It's no small wonder why I'm not so inclined to help you and some others. You could believe the earth is held up by a giant man standing on a turtle, I'd send you a picture from the space shuttle, and you'd return with a quote from an ancient philosopher.

There's no speaking logic or reason to you. I'm sorry I tried.

[etzel33]

@sirellyn as for the Greenbacks, a quick google search confirms my position... ever hear of the Crime of '73? Ever wonder why they called it a crime? Because the banks took away the constitutional money in favor of specie, issued by private bankers. You're up to your ears in culpability with JP Morgan and all the rest, who have stolen our government. Goldman Sachs runs America, and you stand for THEM.

[technatezin]

@sirellyn I'm sorry, but you are are very confused person. ALL is currency as it is presently used in monetary economies is a contract between the buyer and seller of a transaction to repay favors in return for another favor. In other words, it is debt. You can deny this all you want, but it doesn't change the nature of what currency ACTUALLY is.

[sirellyn]

@technatezin I never said that all currently currency is NOT debt. I said money backed by a commodity would be credit based (we do not have that now.)

[boumar19721972]

@lumpfish99 Ron Paul is the same, if not he will end up like JFK and Lincoln, dead!

[marsCubed]

@OldSchoolSkill You are repeating bank propaganda junk.

Your GOP propaganda is the theft.

3000% pay increases for bosses & you rant for more inequality & repeat the banker's actual policy?

80% have less than 7% left between them.

The technocrats cut taxes for the rich,, it's banker's "trickledown" scam.

Bank stooges, like Ron Paul are the Same right 'libetarian' ideology as Greenspan., a banker.

Population needs to occupy, organize & tax the mega rich back to Earth orbit internationally!

[JanRichardus]

HAPPENING TODAY:

The worldwide indefinite detention without charge or trial provision is in S. 1867, the National Defense Authorization Act bill, which will be on the Senate floor on Monday. The bill was drafted in secret by Sens. Carl Levin (D-Mich.) and John McCain (R-Ariz.) and passed in a closed-door committee meeting, without even a single hearing.

[JanRichardus]

Dysfunctional everything...? there are no coincidences. Black ops to trash/crash the country by design only to "rebuild" into an Orwellian society partnered with Financial Dictatorship (FinReg).?

[topsham69]

Consider. When the political parties (stars) left our solar system, they took legimate elections with them. Who's operating the media & voting machines??

[vNorilor]

Bahahaha - Easy fixes in Europe? This is the rhetoric of an ideologue. If you're subscribed to this channel, take note of how long it takes either Jay or his guest to get to the issue of raising taxes on their boogeyman, "the rich" in any given video. I also love the way they emphasize the polling, as if one group of people, having formed a mob, can vote themselves the money of another group. Another huge lol @ Jay thinking he knows how to raise real wages. Unreal.

[topsham69]

DemoCraps and RepubliCons = two cheeks of the same corporate Ass!

[youngbuck189]

@OldSchoolSkill If you think tax is illegal theft then you should stop using every road especially the highways, your toilet, your electricity, your hospital, sports complexes, high school, grade school, public universitys and colleges. You also will have no right to call the police for any reason, your house has no right to be rescued by firefighters, you have no right to be defended by the military.

You anti-tax delusionists need to learn that there are taxes well worth paying.

[Maxstate]

X = Y

A = B

I'm a Paulite/Truther commenter that serves only to discredit the Real News as a proper news network by associating it with my silly beliefs.

*posts various comments*

*is an idiot*

[6of6]

We should've voted for Ralph Nader YEARS ago.

[captcrais101]

@6of6 We need instant run off voting and to reform the electoral college to get someone like Nader as president.

[6of6]

@captcrais101 You're probably right! I suppose direct rule by the masses as was successfully achieved in Libya for 42 years is too much to ask.

[captcrais101]

@6of6 I am not saying it is too much to ask for. I am saying we need to get instant run off voting first and that will give us the power to elect third party candidaites.

[dharmaatdawn]

@captcrais101 im not buying that getting 3rd party will change the situation.  in UK theyhave 3 parties, one of them even called the labor party. everything comes down to money in politics. if u wanna be in politics u will be supporting special interests and pacifying the ppl with stories that all the problems caused by 2 other parties

[captcrais101]

@dharmaatdawn True the problem with the UK is that each candidiate that is likely to become PM has to be loyal to Rupert Murdoch.

[sheepblitzer]

the title is a bit misleading. It implies that our system of governance is democratic, and democracy is now unfortunately starting to fail. in fact, our government NEVER WAS democratic. it has always been oligarchic and neo-feudalist, and this is now clearly starting to show

[DerBlitzStag]

"Technocrat" implies some kind of scientific genius, rather than a deranged pen-pusher with delusions of rational insight, which is what we're getting.

Real Technocrats would tax the rich.

[OrgonVpH7]

@OldSchoolSkill

Technocrat = Technosociopath = social engeneer

Banker = Mob lord = Organized crime

[kawaiigardiner]

What he doesn't talk about is the situation in Greece where the tax system has been rorted something silly with the mega rich avoiding taxes that the average person cannot avoid paying. Italy spent, spent, spent and spent without raising the revenue to pay for it - berlusconi using the national cheque book to bribe pensions each election to win government - sorry but how about blaming the corrupt inept politicians who got these countries in the mess in the first place?

[eatcarpet]

It's time for World War 3.

[BWCmike]

oh god, imagine if bloomberg was the president. he would rename america, israels peasent

[theindiekidable]

Why don't the Greeks and Italians overthrow their IMF/Germany/JPMorgan overlords?

[BWCmike]

@theindiekidable why dont you overthrow your orweillian police state?

[OrgonVpH7]

@theindiekidable

Because they're stupid! They don't have enough realistic info to see that they're being robbed.

[jwein8282000]

@theindiekidable because the greeks want their free shit

[cherrypopncandy]

@OldSchoolSkill You're right about this. They way I see it is that the whole system has to be rebuilt. but that takes a revolution. no ones impressed with left or right anymore when it is widely understood that they are both slaves of the same master-the banks.

[klarionc]

What?!! Who's pushing for that in America? Is that guy crazy, or perhaps, name your sources... I see and hear a lot of people pushing for anything but a technocratic government.

[mikejr41387]

@klarionc i think he was referring to the ruling elite, not the population

[klarionc]

@mikejr41387 I guess you're right... In that case, it makes sense..

[SillySantaHat]

I'm reading a small book by Jacques Ranciere called "Hatred of Democracy." I strongly suggest it. Good book and sure to create some good discussion.

[blackacidlizzard]

Gotta love the title of this video.

Who the hell ever thought it was a good idea to give every retard a say in what targets the mass-killers of the state are aimed at? Would you give a pistol to a two year old? No more should you give a vote to 80+% of the human race.

[youngbuck189]

@blackacidlizzard So you're an elitist like the 'founding fathers' who not only believed but created the United States on the basis that only vastly wealthy, land owning white males could vote. You're a real American.

[blackacidlizzard]

@youngbuck189

While not a perfect method of distributing political power, it would be a hell of alot better than than the madhouse we have now.

[youngbuck189]

@blackacidlizzard I couldn't disagree more. 

[blackacidlizzard]

@youngbuck189

Awesome. It really doesn't matter what either of us thinks, so hey, keep thinking what you think. :)