RACHEL MADDOW - FLOPPOSITION TO HEALTHCARE REFORM

[callouschristian]

Disgusting to have to budget healthcare with groceries and utilities. Inhuman.

[bigtex501]

FREE HEALTH CARE WILL COST?

The Budget Committee....

They have determined that the Finance Committee Bill, as introduced, will cost....

$1.8 TRILLION over 10 years

The HELP Committee bill will cost...

$2.2 TRILLION over 10 years!

House bill will cost...

$2.4 TRILLION over 10 years.

Estimates do not include the MASSIVE TAXATION, CUTS to Medicare ($404 BILLION), TAXES to individuals or employers "failing to buy insurance", NATIONAL SALES TAX, or the 6.9% of those DENIED COVERAGE!

[ObamaComma]

The GOP's last two presidents cost America over 7 trillion for raiding the financial system, 800,000 deaths from refusal to provide healthcare to Americans, and 104,300 deaths from an oil war for Haliburton. But now all of a sudden you want to count pennies? And you don't even actually count them properly. These are the same people that all said we needed the bail-outs, and even more, and as soon as they left office, the same bail-outs they initiated are "communism"? Your argument is dishonest

[bigtex501]

And the Dems have to answer for these things as well... keep in mind.. the Dems voted overwhelmingly to support going to war, support the funding of the wars, and STILL today support funding the wars!

And the previous H.C. debates, like today were shot down by YOUR own party!

And TRILLIONS of dollars are far from pennies! LOL

BTY.. I could have spit bullets when Bush signed the bank bailout garbage just as much as when obamer's bailouts and hostile takeover of G.M.!

[bigtex501]

You say NOTHING about the latest proposal that covers ONLY 94% of the people leaving 6% of the 330 million Americans w/o coverage!

Don't YOU care about 19.8 MILLION PEOPLE??

How many of them will DIE due to obamer care?

And what will YOU say to those 19.8 MILLION PEOPLE that'll pay in massive taxation to get NOTHING in return??

And then... since the Dems H.C. proposals will be like Medicare, which DENIES 6.9% of claims...

That's OVER 20 MILLION people that will NOT get medical treatment!!!

[bigtex501]

And what will YOU say, should the Dems get their way and pass this garbage... to paying taxes starting next year for this reform...

BUT... the health care plan will NOT start until 2015/2016 at the earliest according to the Congressional Budget Office????

So how many people will DIE during that time period that the Dems are taking so long to get implemented since obamer Care is "supposed to keep people from dying"?

[ObamaComma]

No one is standing in the way of Republicans to come up with something better. They refuse to do anything because they like it the way it is, and are determined to do everything to stop any change (that is what they are getting paid to do). Late is better than never, and most is better than none. Bailouts had to be done, there were no options other than a 1930s great depression, and anyone that seriously argues in favor of that scenario ought to be arrested on charges of criminal stupidity.

[ObamaComma]

They obviously have never studied or don't remember the depression. it was global, threatened survival, led to the spread of Communism, the formulation of Nazism, Italian Fascism, advocacy of genocide, and to 2 World Wars which killed millions.

[bigtex501]

Not exactly true! The GOP to this point has presented 35 various proposals to this point but have fallen on deaf ears! Furthermore, they have been blocked from attending meetings, often called "backroom meetings" that were exclusively for the Dem "elites ONLY"!

But talk about the party of "NO".. your Dem buddies could have passed their garbage back in April... but again... it's YOUR party in full control that can do as they please!

You're battle is within your own ranks.... not the GOP!

[bigtex501]

And I noticed you didn't comment on the other points I made.

Oh well...

[bigtex501]

THE DEMOCRAT'S PLAN????

Will ONLY cover 94% of the 330 Million people in America???

So that means that ***19.8 Million*** people will NOT GET COVERED???

And like Medicare... if they follow the same pattern of 6.9% that are "DENIED" medical care....

Then ***22.77 Million*** people will be.....

"DENIED MEDICAL CARE"???

Now WHO supports this????

[bigtex501]

Would YOU buy insurance....

if you had NO IDEA what you were buying?????

Then WHY have the Democrats....

PROHIBITED and voted "DOWN" several times from We The People having a chance to read the proposals prior to obamer signing them into law?

And WHY, IF these plans are so "good" for the American people.... won't they let us READ them and LISTEN to what OUR opinions of the bills are??????

Wouldn't YOU like to have a voice in what you're about to be "STUCK WITH"????

[dkkght46]

People who think this is going to be great and free go read it especially the section that states in lieu of tax credits you will get a loan for 50% which the IRS will take out of your tax return...you will also have to answer to the behaviorial and preventative care comissioner aka czar... and that is just 2 short sentences in a 2000+ section bill

1500 pages and War & Peace is only

1, 465 pages...WTF!

Hope & Change...Mmmmm, Mmmm, Mmmm

[Smartassawhip]

We need a strong public option in the final bill... If you agree please take a moment to make a few phone calls and sign a few petitions. You can find the resources to help you do that in the comment section of my profile. Thank you.

[ObamaComma]

You can gripe, or you can fix. So far, all you've done is grip. The mechanic attempting the fix the car is always better than the passenger who sits inside and gripes it's broke, and insults the mechanic for his effort. That's simply basic logic. Republicans satisfied with 45,000 dead Americans a year, is a commentary itself on who the Republican party really is in all this.

[bigtex501]

CBS NEWS

BROKEN PROMISES BY OBAMA

"Chance to READ the bills"

Sept 2008

obama... "When there is a bill that ends up on my desk as President, YOU the public will have **5 days** to LOOK ON LINE and find out whats in it BEFORE I sign it"!

Sept 2009

Democrats voted DOWN even 72 hours to read ANY LEGISLATION due to..

"The American People" would **NOT be able to understand the wording** in these Bills and...

it would be "TOO CONFUSING"!

[Jdeen5]

The bill is not on his desk

[egrimnes]

You are hilarious. There is no bill on his desk yet to sign. they are still in the merging and finalizing process. Also, everyone of your previous comments you posted are false. Health care enactment, once passed will take at least 16 months to fully get into place. Do you not know how policies work? You are a joke. Do us all a favor and quit wining about things that haven't nor will happen. Quit being a part of the problem.

[bigtex501]

egrimnes,

Well, you're welcome to live in "wonderland" and escape reality, but when you're ready to face the truth, google for yourself and you'll find that even ABC, CBS, MSNBC, CNN will report the same thing! LMAO!!!

But I'm betting YOU will NOT even look to find out... will you?????

BTY.. YOU can also check on the latest findings from the Congressional Budget Office's reports for the same thing!

And... it STILL DOES NOT COVER 26 MILLION PEOPLE!!!! ooooops!

[egrimnes]

Actually, what it says is it will reduce down the number on non elderly from 54 million uninsured to 24 million of which 1/3 of THAT number are "un authorized" immigrants. The fact that there will be 16 million uninsured doesn't mean that the 95% mark Obama is trying to hit will not be met. By current population estimates, that would make it 96.42% covered. You need to learn how to read. I downloaded the document you tool.

[bigtex501]

TRICK OR TREAT???

TRICKED by the Democrats AGAIN!

ACORN....

Sept 2009 Democrats vote to DE-FUND ACORN....

HOWEVER..

The vote is ONLY good for 30 DAYS!

On Halloween Night.....

ACORN is BACK IN THE MONEY!!!!

And... will get that $8,500,000,000.00 stimulus MONEY!!!

[bigtex501]

TRICK OR TREAT??? TRICKED by the Democrats AGAIN! HEALTH CARE Democrats "TAXES would come LATER to fund health care"... but... TAXES **START** THIS YEAR! Democrats "H.C. is needed NOW"... but... WON'T START until 2016! Democrats "H.C. premiums will be $2,500.00 lower".... but.... NOW will be $4,000.00 HIGHER! Democrats "public option will NOT be single payer" but... NOW say "public option KILLS private insurers & LEADS to single payer"!

[ObamaComma]

And republicans offer nothing but NOs and suggestions it might be good for rich Republicans to "agree with the Taliban" and dissolve the United States. So what's your point? Life is imperfect therefore let's all go commit suicide? Get a brain.

[bigtex501]

Actually it's the Dems that are saying "NO" to each other and keeping your precious health care bill from happening! LOL

And then it'll be obamer that'll give up the rights of the U.S. this December when he signs the "climate change" bill giving OTHER countries rights over Americans and their money as well!

And STILL no comment to my points?

Pity.....