@j04370859 My point is, there's Phil having go at his brother over the way he treats women first Sharon then Tiffany, but he was no better later on especially to Lisa,Kate and even Stella, even though she was nasty child abuser.
dosen't anyone find it remotley funny and amusing, that phil is getting angry about grant hitting sharon when he beat would beat kathy and went onto to psychologically abuse lisa?
@YouriYuri Phil was alot mellower in the early days though & I think it was more the fact that Grant had hit Sharon (the woman he was secretly in love with) rather than his moral outrage that Grant had raised his hands to a woman. Given Phil's alcoholism I think he gets a pass on his abuse of Kathy; his head was really messed up at the time. There was no excuse for his treatment of Lisa though; Phil treated Lisa way worse than Grant ever treated Sharon.
@ardbastard1 yeah I grew up a late Eastender fan in the 2000s and it was when Phil and Lisa had their thing, and I just found it soo appauling, so wrong, and just soo disturbing at how Phil psychologically abused Lisa and drove her to want to kill herself, left her near a cliff and when he didn't lead her to do that she was popping pills and became a destroyed boozehound I mean you can't blame her for shooting him and wanting her daughter not being raised by him.
@YouriYuri Grant was never that bad, he's just a very damaged person - haunted by his tour of duty in the Folklands & the victim of a tough up-bringing &, let's be honest, he wasn't to bright either. Grant was the victim of a violent past & that was what he was used to, he tried to do right, but anger to solve disputes is all he knows. Phil is way more dangerous, he may have had a tough upbringing too, but he's intelligent, more aware of the bad things he does & he's more cunning & calculating.
@ardbastard1 To an extent Grant wasn't actually bad person, firstly he was haunted by memories of events from the Folklands war, not to mention troubled childhood, as father Eric Mitchell, was apparantly an ex boxer, alcholic and abusive father, who used his son's as punch bags and like you say probably taught them only one thing to always confront trouble head on, with violence if necessary.
@YouriYuri Think once Grant left Albert Square, the producers tried to almost make Phil exactly like he was, think like the last guy said, he was very ill with alcholism when he hit Kathy and think truly loved her, in his own way, but poor Lisa he only really went with her kind of on the rebound and as for the way he treated her, it was unforgivable.
@MeBenHalpin yeah I can sort of give grant a pass having ptsd but being haunted by war has nothing to do with just being possisive over your wife, beating up anyone who stands up for her,makes a pass towards her. But Phil yeah he's a monster and a terrible human being,. I mean I was watching the episode where he takes louise from lisa in portugal, and it was just soo wrong what he did, soo disgusting that a human being can treat another life that.
@MeBenHalpin and yet whatever happened to phil later, we're suppose to feel sorry to him? I think when Lisa took louise from him again in the future and he becomes an alcoholic and drug addict again, to me thats just karma being a bitch to him lol
@YouriYuri He once explained to Sharon that he was complete psychopath, because of the experiences of the folklands, but no it still didn't give him the right to behave in that aggressive, violent manor towards Sharon and later on Tiffany. Phil is just nasty bully now days, where as back then least he had sense of what was right and wrong, if only Grant was around years later, to see what he put poor Lisa, through both physially and mentally, like the episodes in Portugal.
@921ifyable I don't understand how you came to that conclusion, because Grant was just as much of a psycho right up to when he left in 1999. He was a mentally damaged, loose cannon who went on to slap his own mother, torment & abuse Tiffany to the grave, deck near-enough everyone in the square at some point & always put the people in his life in danger by getting out-of-his-depth with the wrong sort of people. What a fucking legend though.lol
I love Pete Beale, but his character was killed off when i was just over a year old which is a shame really, i'd love to see him come back and knock some sense into that son of his. Aha. I actually see alot of Pete in Bianca, what with her temper and that. I mean considering he's dead he's still got loads of family on the square what with Bianca and her kids and Ian and his kids. x
@xoxprincessnikix0x Yeah Pete was good character and was really missed when he was finally killed off after 8 years of fighting, battling and working his fingers to the bone and he would certainly teach Ian about family values and not about how much he's got in his wallet. Can see bit of Bianca in him too, she's got that real tough fighting spirit like he did.
@TheWavecafe1 Yeah but David was Pete's son from earlier marraige to Pat, but he was adopted by Brian Wicks, Pats second husband and father of younger brother Simon Wicks (Wicksy).
@MeBenHalpin What does it matter if Grant saw it? He did the same thing with Tiffany.
j04370859 3 weeks ago
@j04370859 My point is, there's Phil having go at his brother over the way he treats women first Sharon then Tiffany, but he was no better later on especially to Lisa,Kate and even Stella, even though she was nasty child abuser.
MeBenHalpin 3 weeks ago
what's the song in the background in the Vic, when Aiden talks to Dot?
memoir4you 3 months ago
@memoir4you Too Many Walls by Cathy Dennis.
idiotsdream 1 month ago
@idiotsdream ahh cheers for that:)
memoir4you 1 month ago
yeah when Phil first started in this, he was a good ,likeable bloke, bit of a rogue, but still a nice bloke.
memoir4you 3 months ago
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can u get the full episodes were jamie mitchell cumes in to it al of them pleaes
utubemineace 3 months ago
dosen't anyone find it remotley funny and amusing, that phil is getting angry about grant hitting sharon when he beat would beat kathy and went onto to psychologically abuse lisa?
YouriYuri 4 months ago
@YouriYuri Phil was alot mellower in the early days though & I think it was more the fact that Grant had hit Sharon (the woman he was secretly in love with) rather than his moral outrage that Grant had raised his hands to a woman. Given Phil's alcoholism I think he gets a pass on his abuse of Kathy; his head was really messed up at the time. There was no excuse for his treatment of Lisa though; Phil treated Lisa way worse than Grant ever treated Sharon.
ardbastard1 4 months ago
@ardbastard1 yeah I grew up a late Eastender fan in the 2000s and it was when Phil and Lisa had their thing, and I just found it soo appauling, so wrong, and just soo disturbing at how Phil psychologically abused Lisa and drove her to want to kill herself, left her near a cliff and when he didn't lead her to do that she was popping pills and became a destroyed boozehound I mean you can't blame her for shooting him and wanting her daughter not being raised by him.
YouriYuri 4 months ago
@YouriYuri Grant was never that bad, he's just a very damaged person - haunted by his tour of duty in the Folklands & the victim of a tough up-bringing &, let's be honest, he wasn't to bright either. Grant was the victim of a violent past & that was what he was used to, he tried to do right, but anger to solve disputes is all he knows. Phil is way more dangerous, he may have had a tough upbringing too, but he's intelligent, more aware of the bad things he does & he's more cunning & calculating.
ardbastard1 4 months ago
@ardbastard1 To an extent Grant wasn't actually bad person, firstly he was haunted by memories of events from the Folklands war, not to mention troubled childhood, as father Eric Mitchell, was apparantly an ex boxer, alcholic and abusive father, who used his son's as punch bags and like you say probably taught them only one thing to always confront trouble head on, with violence if necessary.
MeBenHalpin 4 months ago
@YouriYuri Think once Grant left Albert Square, the producers tried to almost make Phil exactly like he was, think like the last guy said, he was very ill with alcholism when he hit Kathy and think truly loved her, in his own way, but poor Lisa he only really went with her kind of on the rebound and as for the way he treated her, it was unforgivable.
MeBenHalpin 4 months ago
@MeBenHalpin yeah I can sort of give grant a pass having ptsd but being haunted by war has nothing to do with just being possisive over your wife, beating up anyone who stands up for her,makes a pass towards her. But Phil yeah he's a monster and a terrible human being,. I mean I was watching the episode where he takes louise from lisa in portugal, and it was just soo wrong what he did, soo disgusting that a human being can treat another life that.
YouriYuri 3 months ago
@MeBenHalpin and yet whatever happened to phil later, we're suppose to feel sorry to him? I think when Lisa took louise from him again in the future and he becomes an alcoholic and drug addict again, to me thats just karma being a bitch to him lol
YouriYuri 3 months ago
@YouriYuri He once explained to Sharon that he was complete psychopath, because of the experiences of the folklands, but no it still didn't give him the right to behave in that aggressive, violent manor towards Sharon and later on Tiffany. Phil is just nasty bully now days, where as back then least he had sense of what was right and wrong, if only Grant was around years later, to see what he put poor Lisa, through both physially and mentally, like the episodes in Portugal.
MeBenHalpin 3 months ago
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Phil was so hot back then!!!
TheWavecafe1 4 months ago
i like how dots always looked the same aha
rosscol601 5 months ago
Agreed.
BlockbustersTom 9 months ago
these were the days when grant mitchell was an absolute phycho
921ifyable 9 months ago
@921ifyable i keep saying that n people say back grant was safe lol
MrLeeComberOnline 4 months ago
@921ifyable I don't understand how you came to that conclusion, because Grant was just as much of a psycho right up to when he left in 1999. He was a mentally damaged, loose cannon who went on to slap his own mother, torment & abuse Tiffany to the grave, deck near-enough everyone in the square at some point & always put the people in his life in danger by getting out-of-his-depth with the wrong sort of people. What a fucking legend though.lol
ardbastard1 4 months ago
Phil was quite mature in those days. He made Grant look 2 foot tall when he threatened him if he ever his sharon again he'd be dead.
bennyman1982 1 year ago
Good era of Eastenders this.
MeBenHalpin 1 year ago
I love Pete Beale, but his character was killed off when i was just over a year old which is a shame really, i'd love to see him come back and knock some sense into that son of his. Aha. I actually see alot of Pete in Bianca, what with her temper and that. I mean considering he's dead he's still got loads of family on the square what with Bianca and her kids and Ian and his kids. x
xoxprincessnikix0x 1 year ago
@xoxprincessnikix0x Yeah Pete was good character and was really missed when he was finally killed off after 8 years of fighting, battling and working his fingers to the bone and he would certainly teach Ian about family values and not about how much he's got in his wallet. Can see bit of Bianca in him too, she's got that real tough fighting spirit like he did.
MeBenHalpin 1 year ago
@xoxprincessnikix0x Do you have Grant setting to the pub in october 1992 on Sharon's birthday,please?
If you do could you upload it please,thanks.
BlockbustersTom 1 year ago
@xoxprincessnikix0x what does pete have to do with bianca
thetoon99 9 months ago
@thetoon99 He's her grandfather.
MeBenHalpin 4 months ago
No he isn't Her granfather would be a wicks, not a beale surley
TheWavecafe1 4 months ago
@TheWavecafe1 Yeah but David was Pete's son from earlier marraige to Pat, but he was adopted by Brian Wicks, Pats second husband and father of younger brother Simon Wicks (Wicksy).
MeBenHalpin 4 months ago