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  • crash dies after nuaghty dog quit with the title

  • omg, the soundtrack in the beginning, is it from Crash team racing? :'(

  • i like to old one :(

  • STAR WARS a new hope

  • new crash is kinda gay

    i prefer old one

  • Crash Bandicoot

    1996-2001

    RIP

    

  • worst crash game

    shitvision really know how to ruin game

  • @CRASHISONLYGOODGAME

    Fuck you

    activision has nothing to do with this game.its made by sierra.and this game is awesome

  • this game is worse than aids

  • I loved this game it was fun and so funny crash looked so freakin cool in this game

  • can someone tell me where is the voodoo doll and how they dominate 50 spikes?

  • bad .... is suck ... - 5 *****

  • They tried, and will keep trying. Won't ever top the original crash and warped, Won't happen.

  • I miss the game (cause i threw my ps2 and got an xbox 360),i didn't even get to finnish the game :(

  • @ervinasroblox3 This game was also released on Xbox 360, so you still have a chance to finish it.

  • Did you seen a "Canadian Flag" (Crash's paw instead Maple leaf.) at Coco's house in 3:24 - 3:21 ?

  • @SmartZilla21 I agree. Just because Crash doesn't look the same (which he does mostly. It's not like he's a different character) or has different gameplay (11 years from the first game. It SHOULD have new gameplay), that doesn't mean he sucks. If Crash started out with the Titans formula, would they hate it then? Probably not, because they would grow up with it. I hate nostalgia freaks too. :)

  • @vgman94 Crash's redesign is okay (along with Cortex's) since they look and act like the same character they were before somewhat. Half the cast are almost completely different however, if they want to completely new character bases they should use new characters.

    The gameplay change isn't a bad thing, it was just executed in a flawed manner. They relied too much on the Titans gimmick and didn't put enough effort into unique level design and obstacles, making it really repetitive.

  • Finally a smart comment. I feel it was flawed in a different manner. Crash's flexible body makes for the ability to build a more elaborate & unique combat system, but they focused too much on the Titans (That wouldn't have been a bad thing if they Titans were more elaborate themselves). The level design did need work, but considering Crash's abilities, there wasn't much to do. If he had his sliding, sprinting and crawling abilities from the old games, you'd have a real chance to innovate.

  • @vgman94 True, this was worsened in MoM where Crash had even less abilities and they seemed to be encouraging you even more to play as the Titans instead of him most of the time (he had digging but the areas it was used in seemed rather superfluous and boring). There were slightly more innovative level ideas, but overall it felt a bit diluted and boring. Radical seemed more interested in how the level's looked like than how they played while Crash himself almost seemed like an after thought.

  • Well, Crash doesn't actually have less abilities. They took away his surf power, but gave him a counter, the ability to climb walls and dig and had some s[pinning puzzles now and then. I disagree, I think the gameplayu and levels got equal attention, but thanks to the short deadline (given by Activision), which was only 11 months or so, they couldn't do more with it. From the sources I've heard and concept art I've seen, they had much grander plans, but couldn't bring it to fruition in 1 year.

  • But I do disagree with the designs. Aku, Uka and Tiny are the only truly different designs. And the mask designs look more tribal, compared to the more American-styled design from before. Tiny's change is not very explainable, but since his name has tiger in it, it fits better. And not many people know of the Tasmanian Tiger. The only real problem is his voice and wimpy mannerism. N-Gin progressed logically if you think about it. N-Brio looks the same, but acts kinda weird. Nina looks fine.

  • @vgman94 I don't think it's much a case of do they reflect their real life counterparts however. Sonic is based on an obscure animal (in the US anyway, hedgehogs are common in the UK) however he has an iconic design that people connect to the character, not the species, enough people complained just for changing his eye color and spine size. Giving the characters a fresh restyled look is a fair idea, but it too often looked like they were just changing things for the sake of changing things.

  • @ToonReel001 But not changing things for the sake of tradition is just being old school. What's wrong with experimenting with fresh, new looks and ideas? Also, considering how Crash moves in this game, his redesign was also for flexibility, at least the bone structure part. Kirsten Forbes, the producer and leader of the team that made the games actually said that in a making of video. It's somewhere here on YouTube, in fact.

  • @vgman94 True, but there's a point where you change them that you have to wonder what's the point of making them the same character. Crash worked because he still looked like the same character with an attire change, the only huge proportion change were his larger forearms. They weren't even consistant with their own designs of Coco and Crunch. Making fresh ideas isn't a bad thing (especially considering how many Crash games are rehashes of Warped) but some iconic element needs to be kept in.

  • @ToonReel001 I can agree with that. I do think elements like the Gems and Crystals should return (but the break without them for a while was fine with me), and Crash's craling and sliding. And Nitros. Don't care if they get redesigns or not, but I'd like to see how another company would make them look (I'm talking about Nitros to be clear, not character looks).

  • @ToonReel001 (Last part, sorry for the long reply): Coco looks older, but mostly the same. Her only problem is she acts too immature. I think Radical has a bad idea of what teenagers are like (I think that's what they think teens act like). Crunch... Can keep the voice, but needs to drop the stupid jokes. I never cared for any of his designs, but didn't mind Titans' look at all. Most of the problems really stem from personality. Also, N-Gin needs to build robots again.

  • @vgman94 I take Coco with a grain of salt, they took her crazier persona too far but I like she was actually a flawed funny character, rather than being a bland symbol of Positive Discrimination she was before. Also they seemed to have an obsession with camp characters, sure it's funny but ALL the villains have this trait, they even changed Tiny just to have it. The story and humor reminds me more of a Seth MacFarlene cartoon where all the characters personalities revolve around the current gag.

  • @ToonReel That's true. It was positive discrimination and now we get to see her own flaws. If she just acted slightly more serious and stopped those butter jokes, I'd like her much more. About that, I think all the villains need to cut down on comedy to a degree. N-Gin is great, but needs to be serious enough to build robots, Cortex needs to act more like his TwinSanity form with a bit of his darker personality from Crash 1-2-3-WOC. One of those levels. They need to get a better shape in story.

  • @vgman94 While she was blander in the older games she did have this more endearing tone to her. All the cast seemed altered and skewed just to use generic pop culture gags, if they wanna do that just make a Family Guy game already. I actually liked CNK for it's cutscenes and use of the characters, which were sort of a middle ground for the older ND setup and Radical's modern one (eg. N Gin is still a mechanic but has gained his crazier bumbling edge to him).

  • @ToonReel001 I never got into it much. The controls were very difficult for me. The only game I agree on that would be Mind Over Mutant, and only partly. There were some cutscenes (namely the 3-D ones) that kept the personalities and comedy levels in check. In my opinion, her voice was just annoying. She wasn't very endearing in any of the games, except possibly WOC, TwinSanity and some parts of Titans/MOM. But I was never that big on her as a character, thanks to her immaturity or high voice.

  • 1:41 Aku Aku: "I have been fighting Evil for many centuries!"

    Crunch: "Wut? You don't evemn have a body!"

    Aku Aku: O.o' *Hilarious *Wuah wah* sound plays*

    LOL

  • 1:10 I SWEAR I heard Crash say:

    "Look at that"

  • @AmricanGir

    Yeah, it's almost like in these more recent styled games they made him sorta start to talk, as if he had some traumatic event happen to him the past or some shit and he's slowly getting his ability to talk back lol.

    Or he's just that stupid.

  • personnaly i like crashes new look

  • @TheMagician72 me too what's up with all the haters

  • wtf, when did crash become a retarded baby?

  • uga ugas*

  • since this game series first came out i always wondered why coco could talk but crash couldnt and still cant. and i love that grims voice is uga ugaa

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  • @vgman94 and @radicalcrash are trolls for saying new crash games are better >:(

  • @Motwera You're the troll. You hate the game because "Krash doeznt jump N' spin animoar!" Why, why in hell should it stay the same forever? It had 5 games using the same thing. THAT WAS ENOUGH! It was time for something new and surprising. And this gave Crash good combat and the amazing ability to take over large & unique enemies, who are almost as inspired as Crash. Any reasonable Crash fan would at least see this as a good idea with crude execution. But you just bitch for the STUPIDEST things.

  • @vgman94 actually no , u ARE the TROLLS because these new games are disgrace to the old ones and stop talking with me OKAY ?!?!?!?!?! >:( >:(

  • @MotweraCity The new ones are a disgrace? How? Getting a moveset and a gameplay innovation is NOT a disgrace. It's a grace.. The old ones were basically jumping and spinning thousands of times. While they were and are fun in their own was, they were NOT that special. 9s and 10s from you fans??? You have no taste in games. Play a real game like Ratchet and Clank, Prototype, God of War. You know, games that arn't so repetitive. The new games aren't perfect, but they're a step in a great direction.

  • here is wat crash says,

    1. the whaty thingy?

    2.DA! OHHHHH

    3.WAT IS THAT!?

    4.NOooooo....

  • is crash a retard?

  • Make us suka!

  • If Cortex couldn't hear Crunch, then WHY did he say he couldnt hear him? >:I

  • @MikeMsDaughter11

    maybeeee he has a camera on his ship so he could see crunch crash and coco

    so when he saw crunch move his lips he assumed crunch spoke to him

  • @hiddenbutdeadly LOLMaybe

  • Crash giving punches and getting crystals!?!? Oh shit. What horrible game!

  • new crash sucks

  • @CharlieBrownreal Radical Entertainment fucked up the very little remaining pieces of Crash. And this is all.

  • People's biggest problems are Crash's running animation and the fact that the series is no longer PlayStation exclusive? Does anyone else here even BEGIN to grasp how STUPID that is? Crash can't even be a PlayStation exclusive anymore. It's just not smart in a business like game designing to limit your franchises to old gameplay, graphics, standards, and ONE console brand! Long live pure, basic, INTELLIGENCE! Which no retro fan possesses, in any measure, big or small. At all.

  • Does anyone else think that Crash's sister sounds a lot like Jimmy Neutron.

  • @Snip216 Coco looks like Cindy Vortex and sounds like Jimmy Neutron.

  • @Snip216 hmmmmm i wonder why......maybe because it's the same voice actress debby deriberry

  • @Snip216 Yes, because Jimmy Neutron and Crash's sister Coco have the same voice actor.

  • @Snip216 same voice actress

  • @Snip216 That's because both Coco Bandicoot and Jimmy Neutron are voiced by Debi Derryberry.

  • @Patrick112391 Well, at least you admit what you said was blasphemy. XD Yes, you know what I just did there.

  • Wolala ils ont bousiller le vrai crash ... c'est bien dommage c'est mort je les achete plus pff

  • @Patrick112391 Crash doesn't walk the same anymore? Are you kidding me?! God, what drama queens you are. He sounds a bit weird and walks differently. Oh, my God....

  • Crash runs like a gaylord.

  • @StormlordHideticus

    Wait... Grim from Billy & Mandy voices Aku Aku

    GREAT! JUST FREAKIN' GREAT. I HATE BILLY AND MANDY THAT STUPID RETARDED SHIT-EATING COCK-SUCKING BUTT-FUCKING TESTICLE-CHOKING PRETENTIOUS FUCK OF A SHOW.

    Mel Winkler could kick Greg Eagles tiny little ass.

  • Everytime Crash says a word, I bleed a little bit.

  • omg poor cash what have they done to you

  • Several Reasons why I am no longer a huge fan of crash bandicoot:

    1.Crash speaks raving rabbid and doesnt use "WHOA!!!!" anymore,

    2.Crunch STILL is'nt playable

    3.Pinstripe, dingodile, oxide, ripper roo and koala kong are gone.

    4.Coco turned into a juniper lee avatar and she's become planet-sized nerd

    5.Crash and coco are starting to look like a couple

    6.Nina can talk

    7.Tiny changed COMPLETELY

    8.N.jin doesnt use giant mech's anymore

    9.Crash lost his addiction to wompa fruits

  • Crash 3 was the last great Crash game... This is the very first time I've seen gameplay of a new crash game... last time I played one was about 7 or 8 years ago.

  • @MoltoEpicness I loved all the crash game espically the last game by naughty dog crash team racing and all the others now they freaking ruined him and I will probably stick to the old ones we need to attack naughty dog and tell them to buy crash back! Give it the good old game style and have uncharted like graphics and have it only for PS because it was a ps only game I remember the good games not this shitty new ones at least have naughty dog create the old ones and release them in HD on PS3!

  • 1:48 it crushed him

  • @ryeabowser

    good

  • omg when u collect stuff it sounds like the fex from simisims hit and run

  • i beat this game

  • this is bullshit fuck this game twinsanity was the best

  • CRASH! what have they done to you?!?!!?!?

    i havent played a new crash game in almost 10 years but it's pretty obvious they butchered this series to death... why universal??? why?!?!?!?

  • @thecool702

    ask the fanbase, they requested it

  • @thecool702

    never mind crash...AKU AKU whats happened to you!!!!

  • 113 people missed the dislike button

  • @TheFingerbuns 12 people missed the like button. Weather it's a game you like or not, doesn't mean you have to rate down the user. He's just posting what he wants. And if you rate it down because you hate the game, that's selfish and stupid. It's not his fault you can't enjoy good games.

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  • ok im sorry but they destroyed crash crash twinsanity was great its the only game that felt like a next gen and was funny after that though man

  • i think i like crash's new look

  • @sonicblue7 Thank You! It's almost rare to find somebody who likes Crash's new look. Almost everybody takes it the negative way :(

  • @lilkani48 me too i like the nre style of CotT but the old one is refreshing

  • @lilkani48 I like Crash's new look. <:

  • @MikeMsDaughter11 yeah once play this game or whatever u get used 2 crash's new look. beside(s); crash's new look at that bad though.

  • @ksk9984 Yeah. Anyone who is a respectable fan should realize that the new look isn't that different. I mean, even if you don't like it at first, after some time, you just get used to it. Plain and simple. I love all the looks and their edgy feel.

  • @vgman94 yeah you're right. i got used 2 some of the new things on the new crash bandicoot games n' other stuff like that. and thanks.

  • I love the old crash bandicoot games and to tell you the truth This doesn't feel like crash at all yet it is still extremely fun in my opinion. Those of you living in the past that think this game sucks I bet haven't even touched this game once to see how entertaining it can truly be.

  • este juego no me gusto

  • I only remember one word Crash says and that's "WHOA!"

  • @Metal92990

    no play crash bandicoot 1 he says muuch more

  • @Metal92990 yeh i miss that

  • You best HOP2!

  • no apples? no spinning? where are the boxes? whres crash bandicoot!!

  • @kasumi4eva

    there wumpas smart one, and theyre there, actually everything you just asked is in the game

  • @CrashBandicootNo1 yes i kbnow theyre called wumpa fruit. iv just always called them apples .. lol..

  • They didn't need to change their looks. Its wasnt necessary to.

  • Now the new ones are not that bad!

  • crash looks so horrible so does every body else and crash doesnt spin anymore

  • i have this game and it's pretty cool. good job naughty dog for making this game

  • @crazybart111OO Naughty Dog didn't make this game. Radical Entertainment did.

  • @CrashJakFan1994 oh, well thank you stranger

  • when cortex came in crash sounded like he said wtf

  • Adorable retard... i played it, and it still has that crash charm, minus them fucking up Aku Aku (who sounds like grim from Billy and Mandy). remove the titans crap, and add just platforming fun...and it's a classic.

  • Omg now Crash runs more retardedly (not even a word)in this game D: this game made me very sad face when i played the first 10 minutes of it

  • This game is so underappreciated by fans.

  • crash is a TRAITOR, now he bacme a tattooed gangster. naughty dog, ur a faggot 4 fucking up crash

  • @crazybart111OO Naughty Dog didn't make this game, you nimrod. Radical Entertainment did. Get your facts straight.

  • @CrashJakFan1994 yes they did, jack and dexter lover

  • @crazybart111OO 'An Excellent Retard'

  • @crazybart111OO a gangster oh no theres no guns in this gamemand its not naughty dog your idiot its Sierra

  • @crazybart111OO im an old man now pls come up with better descriptions and i hate new spyro games

  • @crazybart111OO

    LMAO. wow, you have your Crash bandicoot facts jumbled up you dumbass. Naughty Dog created Crash, and he made Crash bandicoot 1, 2, 3, and CTR. then they sold it over to Travller Tales which they made Crash Bandicoot: the wrath of cortex, Crash Nitro Kart, and Twinsanity, then they sold it to Radical Entertainment and published by Sierra you nimrod. so Radical Entertainment made Crash of the Titans, CTTR, and Mind over mutant. stop saying crash is a traitor from ND, he's not.

  • @crazydud619dx i respect ur wishes old friend, BUT, crash is naughty dogs mascot. they decided 2 fuck up crash and turn him into a tattooed gangster

  • @crazybart111OO

    Crash USED to be Naughty Dog's mascot. until they let Crash become playable to other game platformers and consoles. they decided to fuck up Crash? wow, your seriously dumber then i thought. how the hell can Naughty Dog fuck up Crash if they created him you dimwit!!? and stop saying they suck cause they're not. your just to close-minded in your childhood. at least try some new games like Mind over Mutant. i'll tell you that in my opinion, it's a wonderful game.

  • @crazydud619dx 'An Excellent Point'

  • @crazybart111OO old friend i thought you hated him isn't that the reason hes on your "hatelist"?

  • @crazybart111OO

    YOU ARE WRONG!

    NaughtyDog had a 3-game contract with Universal (CTR, however, wasn't included in this contract). NaughtyDog then sold the rights to Crash Bandicoot, and then they moved on to make the Jak and Daxter series, and the Uncharted Series.

    The next company was Eurocom, and they released Crash Bash. Then Travellers tales made TWoC and Twinsanity. Vicarious Visions made the 3 gameboy games, and CNK.

    Then Sierra bought the rights to Crash, and they ruined him. Idiot

  • @LaughTrack55 *does an evil laff* stupid lapdog, not only did naughty dog fuck up crash and make him a tattooed gangster but thay also fucked up jack and turned him in 2 a geers of war wannabee ever since jack 3. now jack uses a chain saw gun and rips heads off, wat ever happened 2 his eeko powers? naughty dog ur a faggot 4 fucking up crash and jack

  • @crazybart111OO

    NAUGHTYDOG DIDN'T FUCKING MAKE THIS GAME YOU FUCKING STUPID CUNT! Take out the fuckin case for the game. Look for a NaughtyDog logo. You can't find one. You know why? BECAUSE NAUGHTYDOG DIDN'T FUCKING MAKE THIS GAME! There is a great Crash Bandicoot site Called "CrashMania . net"

    Go there, and then look at who made the first couple Crash games. There is a NaughtyDog logo.

    Then came Crash of the titans. Look, there is a SIERRA logo. Fucking dumbass!

  • @crazybart111OO

    Definition of troll: A Troll is someone who deliberately causes controversy, and is most intent on wasting the time of others. Trolls will tell people that what they say is almost always wrong, and are willing to argue with any statement. Opinion or Fact.

    And BTW, SIERRA MADE THIS FUCKING GAME DUMBASS!!! GET IT ACROSS TO YOUR FUCKING TINY BRAIN, AND COMPREHEND IT. NUAGHTYDOG HAS FOREVER ONLY MADE 1 SERIES AT A TIME

    CRASH, JAK, THEN UNCHARTED. GET IT RIGHT TROLL.

  • @crazydud619dx yeah i agree with u @crazydud619dx : how can crash bandicoot and spyro the dragon can be a traitor? it's not their fault that radical entrainment ain't doing such a good on crash bandicoot n' spyro the dragon. it's just the companies n' stuff saling crash n' spyro which is stupid n' it's sucks.

  • @ksk9984

    Well, i don't know what person would call a video game in general a 'traitor'. Nobody really knows where Crash is heading right now but it was owned by Radical and then Activision (who never released a Crash game which is depressing.), but i don't know about Spyro's company right now. Sucks that they removed the old characters and placed them.

  • @crazydud619dx i know right? u don't hardly ever get 2-c any of the old characters anymore. old characters like koala kong,pinstripe,papu papu,polar,pura,ripper roo,n. oxide,tawna bandicoot,n. brio,fake crash,n.trance(d),the komodo brothers,n.tropy,tiny the tiger,n' many more. now u only get 2 see n. cortex, n.gin,nina,n' that's about it. don't get me wrong now; i got nothing against them, i like cortex,n.gin,n' nina. i just want some of the old characters back on the game.

  • @crazybart111OO naughty dog wouldn't mess up their own creation you idiot they made up him to begin with if it wasn't for them you wouldn't be complaining right now

  • the critics should give this game a chance.

  • @xShesSoRecklessx Unfortunately, critics and many fans just won't give this game a chance or the credit it deserves. -_-' Too bad people are so close-minded these days.

  • @xShesSoRecklessx i agree

  • Does anyone notice Coco is like jimmy.

    And another thing...

    EVERYONE IN THIS GAME IS AWSOME AND CRASH IS SOOO ADORABLE!

  • Gawd, I remember back in the 90s, the greatest icons for Playstation were Crash, Spyro and Lara Croft. Now 2/3 of my nastolgic memories have been ruined... DAMN NEXT-GEN, YOU'VE DESTROYED MY FAV SERIES!! ;'(

  • why does crash hit things now where is his spin ?

  • @tamskip He still spins...

  • why does crash hit things now where is his spin ?

  • @tamskip *facepalm* spin the left analog stick in a circle and he spins

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  • Crash Bandicoot 3 was the best

  • is crash still made by naughtydog?

  • no

    naughty dog made only crash games in 1996-1999

  • @MrChadWarden tat sucks

  • no, it got traded about 6 times and now is owned by vendi universal.

  • @707tinman707 hell no

  • So who's the big one? Long time i don't play Crash D:

  • The one that sounds like Mr. T? Crunch. Neo's latest creation who originally was to kill Crash.

  • He's good now? omg O.o

  • I love the crash

    thank you

    ths video

    i am bad english

    soory afre bady<=== what this is free bad looooooool

  • Good game play at least :)

  • Where is the real Crash?? :(

  • Crash has gained the power of punching, life bars, and TALKING!!??

  • fuck this shit.

    this game has nothing to do with crash bandicoot.

  • hahaahah WHY THE FUCK DID THEY CHANGE THE WAY ALL THE CHARACTERS LOOK!!! THE OLD CRASH GAMES ARE THE BEST AND STILL IS... THIS GAME IS CRAP

  • @FischKopfD hmm its got crash in the game, he still spins im assuming you having played the game

  • @PSXDubai12

    I got it on wii. but i could only play half an hour. then i was like wtf this is the biggest piece of crap game ever made and never played it again.

  • @FischKopfD i doubt you got past the first level

  • @PSXDubai12

    yeah you're right because this game sucks.

  • @FischKopfD i ment YOU never got past level 1 becuase your so negitive when it comes to new games learn to read

  • @PSXDubai12

    I DID understand you. and yes i'm negative when it comes to poor games who themselves crash bandicoot.

  • @FischKopfD Yeah, it does, just new gameplay and design's, thats all!

  • @FischKopfD

    FUCK YOU!

  • At least 18 people agree with me...

  • @FischKopfD Here's a fact for you: Did you know the majority of the world has an IQ of 85-99? They say that in order to have a higher form of thinking (to understand what you do and it's effects on the world), you need 100 or more in IQ? If 18 people agree with you, chances are, they're close-minded idiots who think something HAS to stay the same forever. I'm not sure, but I also believe that it's the lower people who like repetition, people like you...

  • @vgman94

    Even open minded people do not have to like new ideas and concepts. The new Crash Bandicoot sucks compared to the older ones.

  • @KazuyaKane Is this conversation STILL going? Its been 8 months!

  • @KazuyaKane Maybe, but there should be good reason for it. If a person said "This Crash is too simple. He should have more attacks and more stuff to use than just Mutants." That would be a great and consturctive criticism. Not just saying it sucks because it doesn't stay true to the original. Why stick with the roots when the tree is more lively?

  • @vgman94

    It sucks because they ruined a concept and game play that worked. I'm all for additions to the game, but they completely revamped it. It is more like a Jak and Daxter game, and those titles should not be similar even if they are made by the same company. They are two completely different games. Did you know Crash Bandicoot 3 Warped sold more copies than TwinSanity, MOM, and COTT combined? There's a reason for that: the game play. "If it ain't broke, don't try to fix it."

  • @KazuyaKane A gameplay that worked. My question is why the Hell doesn't anyone get tired of it? Anyone normal would get tired of playing the same gameplay after 11 years. It's boring and revamping it is a good idea after that amount of time. Crash Bandicoot Warped is overrated and also much older than the other games. Wait until TwinSanity, MOM and COTT get as old as Warped is now and then judge the sales. It should be much closer. If it ain't broke, fix it anyway. It'd get boring without TRUE