One of the most informed, articulate and heartening debates on the subject. Entirely sensible questions from audience members...answered with much aplomb by both debaters. Well moderated by Douglas Murray. Great post!
what was muhamed doing having sex with a nine year old girl.this man muhamed was a truly disgusting figure,i mean how could someone worship such a filty man.
@jaza666 hahahaha you are out of your mind! Wel if Mohammad was like that then why we never had power full women like khadija, mohammads first wife, after islam?? Can you name one?
9 year old? Back in those days , The Arabs gave the female age based on thier puberty date. For instance, if a girl hits puberty when she is 15,hence, 16 year would be considered as her first year of age. Muhammad(peace be upon him) was a champion of woman rights as well in other things. Just do some research.
@kurdishleader Qur'an is from God. Muhammad could not read nor write, but yet he had a Book that you can't compare it with any other book. Because it's PERFECT
The book was fabricated and by his followers with most of the stories borrowed from the bible. If it is so perfect, why are the muslims so divided.
What makes Quran perfect? It produces male demonance, hatred (honor killing) and hatred of westerners. For me, God is love and ything that strays away from love is not of God. And as for your prophet Mohammed, he had a six years old wife which I find absolutely unacceptable. Quran is not only imperfect, but it is written from an evil power. Just judge it by what it produces and not by what you think Islam is. The product talks for itself.
@Islamlssick1 1.5 billion people around the world are following word by word of this what you call "nut case" and Islam is fastest growing religion in the world. Quran has a challange for you to produce even 1 verse like Quran, if you can. Qur'an is from God. Muhammad could not read nor write, but yet he had a Book that you can't compare it with any other book. Because it's PERFECT
In history, many warlords and leaders robbed, killed and raped, and committed genocides, but they were all condemned and declared evil criminals like Genghis Khan, Hitler and Polpot. Mohammed was the only warlord, who did all that and is still declared a perfect human being. He was arguably not only the most violent man, who ever lived, but he was also a nutcase, who did such strange and abnormal things that if done by anyone else will land him in a nut-house.
Muslim people like bin ladin, ayan, and zawahiri ar on the same team. she is even more dangerous than usama himself. she is( naara afuuf) she always lits fire. this woman needs to be stopped before she puts muslims , christians and jews one on top of the other fighting. she does not belong to any Godly behavior. she is devil with horns.
@saxweeyaan Maybe if you learned spelling, grammar, punctuation, or any other 1st grade rules of the English language it would make your argument more compelling.
He is not right that islamic fundamentalism came from the 50s.
Its before that. In fact the first form of islamic fundamentalism, better known as islamism, but called whabbism, where founded in the end of the 17th century, after a man called Wahabbi.
But it was taken more into action by the muslim brotherhood founded in 1928. This organization has fed other islamist groups such as Al - qaida and Hamas.
@besmb2105 husain did not claim islamic fundamentalism started in the 1950's but that the political ideology of ISLAMISM was first formulated at that time.
Moderation is Islam is not the ultimate solution to the Islam-West conflict. We will still have the scripture (Quran) and the life of Muhammad (Hadith and Sera) out there for some lunatic to take literally again and end up where we started. We would solve absolutely nothing unless the core principles of Islam are challenged and the life of Muhammed criticised.
"islam is not a political ideology"- well tell that to your Prophet Mohammad. He started it all when he formed an army in Medina and went back to Mecca to force his religion to the local folks there.
When are muslims going to get it through their heads that many people just flat cannot stand their religion? Can't stand it. Think it stinks so bad, that when I see a sophisticated-looking, nice, muslim, I know what he/she believes in, and any respect goes down the drain immediately. I won't even talk to a muslim. Disgusting people. Personally, I think polygomy is for perverts. Way too much sex going on in one family. Do wives compare notes about sex? Wife has to listen with another woman?
then you are a bigot. im a muslim and i don't agree with what a lot of religions believe but i don't disrespect it's followers. it's fine if you don't like islam but to say you wouldn't talk to a muslim, well that's just ignorant. don't you think?
What does disliking a religion have to do with bigotry? See this is one of the problems. You need to get an English dictionary, and use it. islam brings chaos, destruction, and intolerence with it wherever it goes. This is easy to verify. You say one thing, but when islam gains power, which is its goal, you say other things. I say it again, I know what you believe. I've read your qu'ran, and you have to be ignorant, and very easily convinced to take it seriously. I've tried to talk, big joke.
im saying your a bigot because you said you wouldn't even talk to a Muslim. if you want to dislike Islam that's fine. but what im saying is that you cannot go around not speaking or ignoring someone just because they are of a different faith.
and you read the quran right? it doesn't make you a scholars. you have to know the context of some things said in the Quran.
Yes, I can go around ignoring someone because of their faith. What makes you I can't? I know what you believe, Mormons, scientologists, Jehovah's Witness believe, and I want nothing to do with any of you, because I know what you believe. It's called an informed decision, pertaining to one's environment, and general happiness. I find what you believe disgusting. I reject you and your beliefs. qu'ran is NOT a literary masterpiece. The writer was a very simple-minded person, and that's the truth.
No, you could go around killing people for switching religions like they do in some muslim countries or make it illegal to worship, display, marry, etc. in other religions like some muslim countries do. It's rude for a muslim to talk about bigotry or intolerance since so many muslims believe in it!
i don't know where you get your info from, but no i cannot go around killing people for switching faith. if a person wants to go to hell for leaving islam that's their problem not mine.
From wikkipedia: (btw, Ayaan Hirsi Ali is under death threats, her collaborator on Infidel was murdered):
In the period of the early Islamic Caliphate, apostasy was considered treason, and was accordingly treated as a capital offense; death penalties were carried out under the authority of the Caliph, the most famous such incidents being the Martyrs of Cordoba.
Today apostasy is punishable by death in the countries of Saudi Arabia, Qatar, Yemen, Iran, Sudan, Afghanistan and Mauritania. In Pakistan blasphemy is also punishable by death. Other punishments prescribed by Islamic law include the annulment of marriage with a Muslim spouse, the removal of children and the loss of all property and inheritance rights.
@Belle19700 WHAT YOU SAY IS JUST EMOTIONAL NOT ACADEMICS ON WHAT ISLAM TRUELY IS. IT'S SAID THAT THE BLIND WILL STAY BLIND ONLY UNTIL ONE OVERCOME ITS OWN CONVICTIONS AND SEARCH FOR THE TRUTH
@Belle19700 Qur'an writen by simple-minded person?Write a book like this one
In the Qur'an,word Day is mantioned 365 times,Days(plural) 30(months?),moon 12 times!word "Punishment 117times,Forgiveness 117x2"! word World 115,Hereafter 115!The seven Heavens 7 times,Creation of the seven Heavens 7times!Faith 25,Infidelity 25!Zakah 32 Blessing 32!
HUMAN BEING 65 TIMES!Soil 17,drop of sperm 12,Embryo 6,A lump of flash 3,Bone 15,Flesh 12
(all this are things from what is men created) 17+12+6+3+15+12=65
@mrCandy0000 yes but the "prophet" still waged wars and married a 9 year old girl. That isn't "holy" "ideal" or "perfect" in my eyes or any other civilized person today. You would call the police if a 50 yr old was sleeping with a 9 year old today.
My God! This is slow stuff! Get on with it! This is youtube, not Ye Olde Englande Wanke Debaters Society! "Nothing new about stoning!" Nothing new about idiots either!
One of the most informed, articulate and heartening debates on the subject. Entirely sensible questions from audience members...answered with much aplomb by both debaters. Well moderated by Douglas Murray. Great post!
amelbmelody2001 1 month ago
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good luck to this lady, no muslim follows the true islam today, islam does give rights to women its the men who dont give the rights...
Ayaan Hirsi Ali if you dont want islam! dont be muslim...everyone has a right to follow what they want too...
AbortedBabysInMakeUp 3 months ago
what was muhamed doing having sex with a nine year old girl.this man muhamed was a truly disgusting figure,i mean how could someone worship such a filty man.
jayudoka 3 months ago
@jayudoka muhammad pbah did not marry a 9 year old...
AbortedBabysInMakeUp 3 months ago
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IIIKhoramdinIIIBabak 4 months ago
@jaza666 hahahaha you are out of your mind! Wel if Mohammad was like that then why we never had power full women like khadija, mohammads first wife, after islam?? Can you name one?
IIIKhoramdinIIIBabak 4 months ago
9 year old? Back in those days , The Arabs gave the female age based on thier puberty date. For instance, if a girl hits puberty when she is 15,hence, 16 year would be considered as her first year of age. Muhammad(peace be upon him) was a champion of woman rights as well in other things. Just do some research.
jraza666 4 months ago
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@kurdishleader Qur'an is from God. Muhammad could not read nor write, but yet he had a Book that you can't compare it with any other book. Because it's PERFECT
The book was fabricated and by his followers with most of the stories borrowed from the bible. If it is so perfect, why are the muslims so divided.
TTTan1 5 months ago
What makes Quran perfect? It produces male demonance, hatred (honor killing) and hatred of westerners. For me, God is love and ything that strays away from love is not of God. And as for your prophet Mohammed, he had a six years old wife which I find absolutely unacceptable. Quran is not only imperfect, but it is written from an evil power. Just judge it by what it produces and not by what you think Islam is. The product talks for itself.
healautism123 11 months ago 2
@Islamlssick1 1.5 billion people around the world are following word by word of this what you call "nut case" and Islam is fastest growing religion in the world. Quran has a challange for you to produce even 1 verse like Quran, if you can. Qur'an is from God. Muhammad could not read nor write, but yet he had a Book that you can't compare it with any other book. Because it's PERFECT
kurdishleader 11 months ago
In history, many warlords and leaders robbed, killed and raped, and committed genocides, but they were all condemned and declared evil criminals like Genghis Khan, Hitler and Polpot. Mohammed was the only warlord, who did all that and is still declared a perfect human being. He was arguably not only the most violent man, who ever lived, but he was also a nutcase, who did such strange and abnormal things that if done by anyone else will land him in a nut-house.
IslamISsick1 11 months ago 2
Muslim people like bin ladin, ayan, and zawahiri ar on the same team. she is even more dangerous than usama himself. she is( naara afuuf) she always lits fire. this woman needs to be stopped before she puts muslims , christians and jews one on top of the other fighting. she does not belong to any Godly behavior. she is devil with horns.
saxweeyaan 1 year ago
@saxweeyaan Maybe if you learned spelling, grammar, punctuation, or any other 1st grade rules of the English language it would make your argument more compelling.
jsampras3 1 year ago
@saxweeyaan I just found out about her today and I think she's rather beautiful. seems intelligent too
peamealbaconrules 1 year ago
He is not right that islamic fundamentalism came from the 50s.
Its before that. In fact the first form of islamic fundamentalism, better known as islamism, but called whabbism, where founded in the end of the 17th century, after a man called Wahabbi.
But it was taken more into action by the muslim brotherhood founded in 1928. This organization has fed other islamist groups such as Al - qaida and Hamas.
besmb2105 2 years ago
@besmb2105 husain did not claim islamic fundamentalism started in the 1950's but that the political ideology of ISLAMISM was first formulated at that time.
6ganey9 1 year ago
@6ganey9 Well, the muslim brothers where founded in 1928, so aparently hes still wrong.
Islamism is a term western media has used to describe the branch of islam that bases itself on the policies of islam, especially the caliphate.
besmb2105 1 year ago
Moderation is Islam is not the ultimate solution to the Islam-West conflict. We will still have the scripture (Quran) and the life of Muhammad (Hadith and Sera) out there for some lunatic to take literally again and end up where we started. We would solve absolutely nothing unless the core principles of Islam are challenged and the life of Muhammed criticised.
whyabadi 2 years ago
I think ur right):
besmb2105 2 years ago
"islam is not a political ideology"- well tell that to your Prophet Mohammad. He started it all when he formed an army in Medina and went back to Mecca to force his religion to the local folks there.
mo7j1 2 years ago
Take note that the political islam came some hundred years after Muhammeds death. It is true, though, that the arab peninsula, quickly became muslim.
besmb2105 2 years ago
When are muslims going to get it through their heads that many people just flat cannot stand their religion? Can't stand it. Think it stinks so bad, that when I see a sophisticated-looking, nice, muslim, I know what he/she believes in, and any respect goes down the drain immediately. I won't even talk to a muslim. Disgusting people. Personally, I think polygomy is for perverts. Way too much sex going on in one family. Do wives compare notes about sex? Wife has to listen with another woman?
Belle19700 3 years ago
then you are a bigot. im a muslim and i don't agree with what a lot of religions believe but i don't disrespect it's followers. it's fine if you don't like islam but to say you wouldn't talk to a muslim, well that's just ignorant. don't you think?
rania3830 3 years ago
What does disliking a religion have to do with bigotry? See this is one of the problems. You need to get an English dictionary, and use it. islam brings chaos, destruction, and intolerence with it wherever it goes. This is easy to verify. You say one thing, but when islam gains power, which is its goal, you say other things. I say it again, I know what you believe. I've read your qu'ran, and you have to be ignorant, and very easily convinced to take it seriously. I've tried to talk, big joke.
Belle19700 3 years ago 13
im saying your a bigot because you said you wouldn't even talk to a Muslim. if you want to dislike Islam that's fine. but what im saying is that you cannot go around not speaking or ignoring someone just because they are of a different faith.
and you read the quran right? it doesn't make you a scholars. you have to know the context of some things said in the Quran.
rania3830 3 years ago
Yes, I can go around ignoring someone because of their faith. What makes you I can't? I know what you believe, Mormons, scientologists, Jehovah's Witness believe, and I want nothing to do with any of you, because I know what you believe. It's called an informed decision, pertaining to one's environment, and general happiness. I find what you believe disgusting. I reject you and your beliefs. qu'ran is NOT a literary masterpiece. The writer was a very simple-minded person, and that's the truth.
Belle19700 3 years ago 16
well you are right you can go around ignoring someone because of their faith. but it doesn't make it right.
rania3830 3 years ago
No, you could go around killing people for switching religions like they do in some muslim countries or make it illegal to worship, display, marry, etc. in other religions like some muslim countries do. It's rude for a muslim to talk about bigotry or intolerance since so many muslims believe in it!
gulsbyjag 3 years ago
i don't know where you get your info from, but no i cannot go around killing people for switching faith. if a person wants to go to hell for leaving islam that's their problem not mine.
rania3830 3 years ago
From wikkipedia: (btw, Ayaan Hirsi Ali is under death threats, her collaborator on Infidel was murdered):
In the period of the early Islamic Caliphate, apostasy was considered treason, and was accordingly treated as a capital offense; death penalties were carried out under the authority of the Caliph, the most famous such incidents being the Martyrs of Cordoba.
gulsbyjag 3 years ago
Today apostasy is punishable by death in the countries of Saudi Arabia, Qatar, Yemen, Iran, Sudan, Afghanistan and Mauritania. In Pakistan blasphemy is also punishable by death. Other punishments prescribed by Islamic law include the annulment of marriage with a Muslim spouse, the removal of children and the loss of all property and inheritance rights.
gulsbyjag 3 years ago
@Belle19700 WHAT YOU SAY IS JUST EMOTIONAL NOT ACADEMICS ON WHAT ISLAM TRUELY IS. IT'S SAID THAT THE BLIND WILL STAY BLIND ONLY UNTIL ONE OVERCOME ITS OWN CONVICTIONS AND SEARCH FOR THE TRUTH
guidance2truth 1 year ago
@Belle19700 Qur'an writen by simple-minded person?Write a book like this one
In the Qur'an,word Day is mantioned 365 times,Days(plural) 30(months?),moon 12 times!word "Punishment 117times,Forgiveness 117x2"! word World 115,Hereafter 115!The seven Heavens 7 times,Creation of the seven Heavens 7times!Faith 25,Infidelity 25!Zakah 32 Blessing 32!
HUMAN BEING 65 TIMES!Soil 17,drop of sperm 12,Embryo 6,A lump of flash 3,Bone 15,Flesh 12
(all this are things from what is men created) 17+12+6+3+15+12=65
mrCandy0000 10 months ago
@mrCandy0000 yes but the "prophet" still waged wars and married a 9 year old girl. That isn't "holy" "ideal" or "perfect" in my eyes or any other civilized person today. You would call the police if a 50 yr old was sleeping with a 9 year old today.
Em183 5 months ago
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@Belle19700 all of you people are being lied to, one day you will see the true put it will be too late...
AbortedBabysInMakeUp 3 months ago
Islam is a religion like any other religion? This guy is living in total denial.
Watch Wafa Sultan Arab-American Psychologist) on YouTube.
Quotes from her video on the Danish cartoons:
"Islam is not only a religion, it is also a political ideology that preaches violence and applies its agenda by force"
"I don't believe there are moderate Muslims... a Muslim has to accept the whole of Islam, otherwise he is not a Muslim"
"I don't believe Islam can be reformed... it has to be transformed"
cafeafuh 3 years ago
My God! This is slow stuff! Get on with it! This is youtube, not Ye Olde Englande Wanke Debaters Society! "Nothing new about stoning!" Nothing new about idiots either!
orthotox 3 years ago
Thanks for the nice post. I'll have to sit down one evening with a bag of popcorn and watch the whole series sometime.
iviewthetube 3 years ago