Ninjutsu Grand Master Masaaki Hatsumi in Action Pt. 12

[9Ratsel9]

Am I the only one who finds 6:34 very funny?

[Arteanor]

@anakin808

rofl u forgot again didn't you?

[Arteanor]

@anakin808

so did we get an answer from your Hanshi?

[Arteanor]

@anakin808

you should see some neat parallels then.

takamatsu made up togakure by combining his various jujutsu and taijutsu(daiken and ju) with karate todejutsu ( now simply karate)

unfortunately, this has absolutely NOTHING to do with ninjutsu... i would be interested to hear what your teachers say about hatsumi and the bujinkan.

[nolife45]

what happened to his dojo with the tsunami?

[FunkKlock]

im watching this while listening to people under the stairs. intense

[SuperHefner]

i train and fight mma, but this is pritty cool to watch. i can definaitely appreciate and enjoy watching this art, but i dont think i could see myself studying it. thats the beauty of life, we can choose to study what we want. i think the haters should just let the followers of this style be. i ask the question, if you really hate bujinkan that much, what the fuck are you doin on youtube watchin these videos. negetivity isn't a productive mind set.

[Arteanor]

@SuperHefner

please sir, do not confuse my intentions.

i simply do not wish to allow more people to be lied to in a public forum such as this where i may address the misinformations being put forth...

however, i would never ask you to take my word for it... you are free to check any of the citations.... i can go for a pretty long while on ways that the bujinkan's history is distorted....

i think educating people on the verge of being defrauded is EXTREMELY productive. i get thanked...

[FieldswordShinobi]

Very first picture is from my Stephen K Hayes book

[Arteanor]

fardisghomeshi ( i typed it, since i know how to replicate names) said something strange, and not very interesting. he was unable to make any of the fallacies he previously used to assert the legitimacy of the bujinkan, so he resolved to leave the video alone for 5 days, then start posting back ON HIS ALT ACCOUNTS to HIDE the comments that show he was unable to answer....

i wouldn't be surprised if he KNOWS that the bujinkan cannot prove its case BECAUSE he knows its BUNK....

[zsoujiro]

This videos had some awesome sounds, sounds of pain, and a little bit more pain. You ruined the good taijutsu, and even ruined Pink Floyd's beauty, just by putting them together.

[zsoujiro]

Why the Pink Floyd music man!?... I like PF and all but, why the fuck???

[fardisghomeshi]

months. i will tell everyone w 100% accuracy that these two know about ninjust as much as a dog knows about human etiquette. they will happily crown u the "king of d ninjas" if u can read a scroll and have d language and pc skills to write and make a video about it. so act towards them as u would w a troll avoid and dont feed em.

[fardisghomeshi]

somehow have d knowledge of the arts.their latest video was of them criticizing on a guy's martial art and they failed miserably to bring proof on why he was fake. they troll youtube all day long hoping someone take them seriously.like a 2 yr old who wants something but he is too stubborn to ask, they constantly disagree with proof and they cling on "me hiding a comment" which had never gave win in this argument. 2 desperate guys w alot of free time on their hand. after arguing w them for over 6

[fardisghomeshi]

artesano aka creation of my own (brothers)like to team up and pretend that they are just 2 strangers commenting youtube.they have no knowledge of what they talk about. their sources which they hold dear include a animated cat who like to paint himself in ninja clothes, drunken hillbilly, and a x member.not only that no one takes them seriously but no one cares what they think. they have d delusion that i am somehow beat. they like to watch hatsumi's video (ironcilly) then they think they,

[Arteanor]

fardisghomeshi ( i typed it, since i know how to replicate names) said something strange, and not very interesting. he was unable to make any of the fallacies he previously used to assert the legitimacy of the bujinkan, so he resolved to leave the video alone for 5 days, then start posting back to HIDE the comments that show he was unable to answer....

i wouldn't be surprised if he KNOWS that the bujinkan cannot prove its case BECAUSE he knows its BUNK....

[fardisghomeshi]

hatsumi mentioned something strange n very intersting.he said after takamatsu's death there was a 33rd embodiment of buddha in the church.i always said tat hatsumi is a living buddha.i wouldn't be surprised is there was a 34th embodiment of buddha in church after his death.

[BluePittbull666]

looks very choreographed. not sure this works in real fight.

no way hatsumi has a chance against mma fighters.

[zsoujiro]

@BluePittbull666

you and your fucking MMA fighters... are you one of them? because if you're one of them you can come and KISS MY BALLS. And if you are not one of them, then you must be kissing one of them 's balls and you are a fag. Close youtube and go out to train something. Maybe hitting on your own balls, like the shaolin monks, that'll make you tough, try some.

[Robinorz]

nice techniques.

But I heard that the origin of Bujinkan is fake and made up.. what he teaches is not what ninjas were doing... So sad, I used to love Bujinkan a lot, really... :(

If he just created a new "Modern Ninja", instead of claiming he is a "real, traditional" one. It would end up with a certainly better result... ... sigh.

[jarhead1028]

@Robinorz Actually, he just created Bujinkan, his organization for ninjutsu. His techniques are real and have been passed down to his from previous sokes. So do u see what i'm saying, the organization is made up but not the techiniques. Masaaki Hatsumi created the Bujinkan organization because he wanted to organize ninjutsu and knew by creating the Bujinkan, he could reach more people. So don't give up on the old man just yet, Masaaki Hatsumi is a true ninjutsu master and his techniques are real

[Arteanor]

@jarhead1028

"His techniques are real and have been passed down to his from previous sokes."

there is one teacher, takamatsu, who hodgepodged it.

" So don't give up on the old man just yet, Masaaki Hatsumi is a true ninjutsu master and his techniques are real"

this is a blatant lie.

the man that takamatsu claims as a teacher doesn't exist. shows on NO records... he is imaginary.

and strangely the citations the bujinkan members give always fall through,,, like daisuke being in genpei suiseki

[filters2008]

this guy is great .. imagine someone like him and brut streanght

[TheJacenist]

These are not techniques learnt and taught in whole as their practical use would be limited in the face of infinite possible attacks. This is the application of decades of work, learning how to react instinctively to what presents in a life-preserving way using many practiced principles that flow together which if didn't work, would have died with those who failed to use them on the battlefield. In 'modern battle' this is as effective as seen in this ancient context

[Arteanor]

@TheJacenist

"This is the application of decades of work, learning how to react instinctively to what presents in a life-preserving way"

and what does this have to do with ninjutsu? he IS a good budoka... but that doesn't change that he is a liar.

" In 'modern battle' this is as effective as seen in this ancient context"

you falsely attribute hatsumi with the ability to reckon ancient context... he holds no koryu soke-ships,,,, he isn't a recognized koryu practitioner... hes just a fraud...

[TheJacenist]

@Arteanor

If you do not know what the first quote has to do with ninjutsu -you don't know enough about it.

Now, if you actually read the second quote you used of me, instead of twisting argument out of it, like blood and sputum from a rag (about as beautiful as what you have achieved), it will say 'in this ancient context' not 'using his ancient 'koryu soke-ships'. What i mean is that in todays context, swords and other similar weapons are not used whereas say a baseball bat is.

[Arteanor]

@TheJacenist

his decades of training are not in ninjutsu, hence this is entirely irrelevant to any discussions about his school's legitimacy.

ok. you may feel that way. but you are still falsely attributing the knowledge of ancient traditions to hatsumi... this is ok, as long as we are clear ... there is nothing ancient about anything that hatsumi is calling ninjutsu....

[TheJacenist]

@Arteanor

Ok, you've got me interested now -do you suggest any videos depicting real ninjutsu? I would legitimately like to see them

[Arteanor]

@TheJacenist

unfortunately, i cannot.

i believe the art to be extinct, or so entrenched in secrecy that there will be no mention outside of japan of it...

i haven't even been able to get people like buffon to GUESS about a school that may have/teach real ninjutsu...

however, there is a massive assortment of information in the form of ninjutsu manuals, like the Bansenshukai, the Ninpiden, and the Shoninki...

true path of the ninja is a great book to start with. TSOAS2008 wrote it. check him

[kneehed123]

@Arteanor Im not dismissing what you have said, but what proof do you have that he is fraud? Im not saying its not possible but id like an explanation.

[Arteanor]

@kneehed123

that is a very good question, i hope i don't dissapoint when i tell you, i don't have any PROOF.

i also have no proof for gravity or atomic theory,,, so can i PROVE he is fake? NO.

HOWEVER... i can show that takamatsu asked to make up his own branch, (and that he did so AFTER he told hatsumi and tanemura(of the genbukan) that he was teaching them ninjutsu that was from Kukishin Ryu)

so then he made up the NAME togakure ryu,..

maybe not what you hoped, but i won't lie to convince U

[Arteanor]

@kneehed123

sorry, had to cut it to one previously, and i COULD go on for days about bujinkan history.

it seems to me that takamatsu was sick of losing students and matches to kodokan judo, so he wanted to get some new buzz, he wanted to introduce a kukishin ryu ninpo, saying he found ninjutsu in the records of kuki ( which he was transcribing/if i remember right, idky) however when kuki would not allow their name to go on it, he left and made up the story of toda masamitsu shinryuken 'teacher'

[kneehed123]

@Arteanor Thank you for shareing all of this with me I, but i would like to ask how you aquired this information and are you a martial artist? and if takamatsu really did make all that up was he ever trained in any martial arts? because the pictures of his clawlike hands are very interesting to me, it seems he would have to be trained in somthing... and can you tell me where a can find sources of the real history of ninjutsu elswhere?

[Arteanor]

@kneehed123

oh gods yes, the REASON that takamatsu got away with this, even the switch from one name to another, likely BECAUSE of his prestige as a menkyo kaiden of Kukishin ryu.

he WAS a fantastic martial artist, he just wanted to use the name ninjutsu to fill a niche he saw (kodokan judo was dominating in memberships and in matches.)

i think that it just got out of hand, and he went along with it... a GREAT example of the skills of shinobi ( the IRONY is so thick for that reason).

[Arteanor]

@kneehed123

i will pm you the name of a friend of mine, he is part of Shinbukan, i think its still classed as a buj dojo... not sure the status of its operator... he has some HUGE insights into what the schools of the bujinkan are all about, AND he knows his shit.

he even looked up the exact passage i needed, in japanese, AND in english translated by him in an obscure book.... in less than an hour, the guy is intensely informed, another great example of shinobi skills...

[Arteanor]

@kneehed123

just one more, lol told you i can go forever,...

it really depends, if you don't read japanese, you should stick to the translated versions of the ninjutsu manuals... ( Bansenshukai, Ninpiden, Shoninki ) all great info, and SURPRISE no 'martial arts'....

if you buy a translation, Antony Cummins, true path of the ninja is my bet. but i am starting to wonder about him since his fascination with Chris/ta Jacobsen...

his books are solid though.

and hes on YT at TSOAS2008.

[vilemuse]

he could never pull those moves off if any of these situations were actually real

[ninpo4me]

@vilemuse with your years of experiance and personal training with Hatsumi I suppose we should just trust you. Instead of bashing others, take a look at yourself in the mirror and ask what have you done, its pretty painful when the answer is 0.

[Arteanor]

@ninpo4me

"with your years of experiance and personal training with Hatsumi I suppose we should just trust you."

it doesnt take trust to know that hatsumi doesn't know ninjutsu. we just have to read the kukishen zensho, which has 2 letters from takamatsu, asking if he could use his menkyo, mix kuki with karate and call it chosuiha kukishen ryu ninpo

the second is his resignation and him saying he would make his own ninpo ryu..

i corroborate this by the words of tanemura, hatsumis's student.

[Ronin10467]

@Arteanor kukishins original founder used ninpo shut the fuck up have a nice day

[Arteanor]

@ninpo4me

SEE

Tatara magazine page 6.

John Lindsey in an interview with Tanemura S asks: "Did Takamatsu S always call it Togakure ryu?":

"Not at first. When he was associated with the Kuki family he planed to introduce Kukishin Ryu Ninpo in the form of scrolls and densho. But after the war he distanced himself from the Kuki family and decided not to do this. then he met Hatsumi S. and Fukumoto s. Takamatsu S.i decided to teach them Ninpo. That is when he decided to use the name Ninpo."

[Ronin10467]

@Arteanor Kukishin's original founder was a ninpo practioner know your history before you comment on shit

[Fitz972]

@vilemuse If I may say, if you don't realize that this is just a form, an indication so that you can have an arsenal to use in real fights, then you didn't get it. It's not about pulling those moves in combat, but understanding the principle that runs it and uses it in combat. Most of Ninjutsu techs can be found in Judo, Karate or even BJJ. I do agree that they'd need to train more on applying the techniques, but those are clearly effective. I suggest u to go see Akban Ninj. Academy

[vilemuse]

@Fitz972 i respect the art and i understand the principles of having a number of techniques to use in battle.of course you have to have some form of structure to succeed as a martial artist. my point his teachings are old teachings. chosan ninja would pwn him....just sayin.

[Fitz972]

@vilemuse Agreed on that, old teachings and need to be modernized. I try to do it myself, and I'm taking other courses to find some way to actualize all of this and apply it in battle. Then again, if you get the principles right, it's all cool, and some other guys (Akban, ToshinDo) do it the hard way and it's very effective also.

[Ryokushindo]

Welcome to the dream world.

[rakanzrib]

uhhhh--holy f*&^in' sh$#t !!! I suppose these are the most appropriate words to describe this (O_O')

[Bujincoren]

Pink Floyd and Bujinkan!! I love your taste!!! Two of my favorite things on this Earth!!

[HarPlayer]

Does have any kids or grand kids or great great grand kids?

[lazydiets]

Love watching him move.

[Shanghst]

43rd not 34th

[chucknorrispranks]

@Shanghst no, 34th, not 43rd. you're retarded lol.

[Shanghst]

@chucknorrispranks Ummm ok, that was like a month ago buddy, thanks for calling me retarded even though in another vid it looked more legit and said 43rd but hey, if calling me retarded makes you feel all smart then go for it. Ass.

[soytupadre777]

HATSUMI ES UN FRAUDE

[ahmonrah40]

@soytupadre777 he's a fraud?? ok...*shrugs shoulders*

[rakanzrib]

@ahmonrah40 I wouldn't lsiten to dissers in this vid--too real this video is THE most bone-chilling thing I have ever seen in my life, 'cause these are only practice moves, but done done with full force this would be like "faces of death" x 1 million :

[manoynav]

hey you-pink floyd

[icefox1984]

The best thing of Dr Hatsumi and everyone in the world that practices this is that those techniques have remained unchanghed for the past 10 centuries, and he heritated all nine schools from his master, the last real combat ninja that lived, Mr. Takamatsu Toshitsugu sensei, and that's pretty cool.

[Mugen123456789]

@icefox1984 I just recently heard of him. With all of the training he's been in, the fact that he's 78 and can move like that actually doesn't suprise me.

[twotetah]

ya know,this left me with a whole new respect for the man

[cronos8788]

simply tremendous left me in awe

[GarlandMuay]

ninja floyd. awesome. Masaaki Hatsumi...what a legend.

[sybaritic79]

Great Video - great Song!