Ryan Harvey - The Times They Are Not A-Changin'

[Sydwayman]

Great lyrics but an annoying singer.

[Emm1Twe4kz]

@Sydwayman You obviously have NO idea who Bob Dylan is

[Sydwayman]

@Emm1Twe4kz No, I may be one of the few that love Bob Dylan's voice. This guy's voice is too high pitched and childish for my tastes.

[pushthempads]

1 person watches fox news.

[AnarchistOpposition]

@pushthempads o.O What?

[Rusldalovemusl]

@AnarchistOpposition 1 person disliked ;)

[FredericBayer]

@AnarchistOpposition He was talking about the 1 person (now 2 people) who disliked this vid.

[Nullifidian]

@yadamnhippies You amaze me, because you had implied that any dissent is sufficient reason to leave the country when you said "if i truly didnt like things in america id move somewhere else". So that implies that the only people who should be left in the US are those whose "pride" is absolutely without reservation or caveat.

And personally, I don't think of shotgun-waving rednecks when I think of "patriotism", but rather the politicians who exploit it and never allow any substantive dissent.

[AnarchistOpposition]

@yadamnhippies Firstly I have to say that I hate analogies. I'm going to skip that part because looking at them is useless when it comes to real debate.

Pride: A feeling of pleasure from one's own achievements, the achievements of those with whom one is associated, or from qualities or possessions that are widely admired.

If you do not accept my definition, speak up.

With this definition, being patriotic (as you defined it above) is illogical because you had no effect on your place of birth.

[Nullifidian]

@yadamnhippies "A little bit of patriotism" is like "a little bit of syphilis". It is impossible to subscribe just "a little bit" to the notion that your country is better than anyone else's, and like syphilis it will eventually rot your brain if untreated.

[Nullifidian]

@yadamnhippies "if i truly didnt like things in america id move somewhere else" - I don't like American Idol. Should I emigrate? Or does this "love it or leave it" garbage only apply when the issue at hand is serious and systemic injustice and inequality? Because that's a neat way to get rid of anyone who makes trouble for the status quo of globalization, capitalism, and neoimperialism, leaving only an easily led underclass and those on the make who enrich themselves at the workers' expense.

[AnarchistOpposition]

@yadamnhippies Yes, everywhere has problems. Here's the difference, I live in America, therefore I am going to address it's problem with the most seriousness and passion because it's the only place where I ought to have any say in the problems at hand.

I have no responsibility for bad things that happen in China, but here I am partially responsible and so are you.

[AnarchistOpposition]

@yadamnhippies I actually didn't tell you to go fuck yourself.

Ummm, firstly I didn't get pissed, secondly, even if I did how the hell is that hypocritical?

[AnarchistOpposition]

@yadamnhippies The artist who wrote this song wasn't expressing his hatred for this country, he was saying that things aren't changing and that they should.

And yeah, so things are better here then in China, if you were living in China would you say "hey, things are better here than in Tibet, stop complaining!"?

[AnarchistOpposition]

@yadamnhippies I like how apparently even people who are in support of social change can be dumb enough to spout that "love it or leave it" nonsense. Fuck you.

[batardtrisomique]

do you play the same chords than on the Bob Dylan original? I'd really like to try and cover this but I do not play a lot, and my talent for finfing out chords by my own is very limited. It would be great if someone could help me with this... oh yeah and sorry for my english, I hope I didn't slaughter your language too much.

[Hraefn14]

@batardtrisomique

It's done to the same chords as the Bob Dylan tune :3 Ultimate Guitar should easily supply you with the chords. Also, thanks for such a great tune! The lyrics really hit home, I'd like to play this myself some places...with you acredited, of course. Brilliant tune!

[RetsnomThePhilo]

hahahaha I LOVE this song!

[AnarchistOpposition]

@DionysianWisdom That certainly is the idea that's taught to us from a very early age in institutionalized education camps (errr, schools), but the validity of it is a bit questionable.

The founding fathers were for the most part rich white men who were able to use their power and influence to attain military strength. Madison spoke of how government should protect the minority of the opulent. Have the ideas that flowed down really changed that much since then? It doesn't seem like it to me.

[sheep5654]

you have the right to be an idiot in the United States. next time do more research before you write a political song.

[AnarchistOpposition]

@sheep5654 I believe that you should be able to speak freely. I am not going to try to control your speech,y ou can say whatever you want.

However, if all you do is use Ad Hominem attacks and provide no examples to back them up (why am I an idiot? What research should I have done?) I am not going to take your opinion very seriously.

[ArchaicSubrosa]

@sheep5654

The shepherd is friend to the butcher sheep...people like you will always follow the man with the biggest stick

[sheep5654]

@ArchaicSubrosa and you will always follow the next trend.

[ummnadia]

LOVE IT. 

[OneRadRudeboy]

Marines don't do riot control, Mr. Harvey.

[psykotrol]

@OneRadRudeboy

nope, but both police and marines are agents of the State.

trading in one dick for a bigger dick, basically

[Moncayowind]

No? Then why do at least some of them get trained for it?

[OneRadRudeboy]

@Moncayowind are you talking about Security Forces? They're for embassy duty and defend Naval bases, nukes, the President, etc.

That's going to be my job, when I get there, I'll tell you.

[DxDxRamone]

@OneRadRudeboy

You ever heard of Marshall Law?

Look up The Thailand Red Shirts and their recent activity in Thailand.

If a riot we're to turn into a strong proto-revolutionary force, branches of military get called in to take the place of riot cops.

[NataiEndo]

@OneRadRudeboy you really better get versed on the concept of martial law and the bitter reality of it happening... or just look at katrina and the gun confiscation.... and remember, its a song.... though... yeah marines dont tend to train in riot control and civil unrest ... but whats to stop them from bringing them in if they needed them?

[OneRadRudeboy]

@NataiEndo we get trained to slay bodies. Kill people. That's mostly it, yeah, Security Forces does some riot control at posts in hostile countries, but not inland.

save it for the weekend warriors.

[NataiEndo]

@OneRadRudeboy It 's called martial law, marine. You do and go where you are told. You just follow orders. Learn what martial law is. It's happened before in the US. They deployed Delta Force at Waco, so learn your facts before talking shit. Learn what martial law is. Learn what a police state is. Learn what REX 84 is and Operation Garden Plot. Watch the Police State movies by Alex Jones available free on youtube. Or learn about Martial Law after Hurricane Katrina. Or look at the G20

[OneRadRudeboy]

@NataiEndo The Marines are for fighting abroad, not inland.

Delta Force is the ARMY, brosef. I know what a police state is, I used to be a damn Anarcho-capitalist objectivist retard. I'm all about liberty, but there's more to life than freedom, quote me on that.

[NataiEndo]

@OneRadRudeboy you are hopeless. no shit delta is army. you still dont get the concept of martial law. Yes Marines are for fighting abroad (no one is arguing against that) its called martial law. using the military against the people, it can happen, it has happened, and remember its a song... the point is that the military can, has, and will be used against the people... any service....

[OneRadRudeboy]

@NataiEndo of course they CAN be used to enforce Martial Law, but would it be an efficient decision? hell no. The Marines are the smallest branch of the military, yes, we are trained to "adapt, achieve, and overcome." But if shit went down right now, it would not make any sense to take your elite branch and have them doing a job that some Nat'l Guard shit kicker could do. It costs the military at least twice as much just to put my ass through boot camp than an Army grunt.

Tactics, comrades.

[NataiEndo]

@OneRadRudeboy indeed ... but to think the implementation of martial law will be accompanied by reason and logic and efficiency is a far fetch hahaha... but yeah things would have to be fucked up to deploy marines... when you got national guard and reserve and just army grunts.... but anything can happen

[OneRadRudeboy]

@NataiEndo Kill.

[indifferentgiraffe]

Stark lyrics...stark reality.

[KittenTheB]

yeeeaaaaahhhh but in history who gave them those weapons of ours? ... we helped them get rid of tyrant so they could establish a new one. The society of man is Weak. Ever heard of the phrase "If god did not exist; it would be Necessary for man to create him." ? It's true. A modern society cog needs government and expects so much from his governemnt. Feed me! Clothe my Kids! Once you get man of the tit of the government change COULD happen. Till then... nope.

[TheAxlrose103]

Thats about the only thing the governments have done

[judgeofcrap]

this song is about america being terrorist evil fucks thats the point of the song not whos starting shit in the middle east (it is america yes we started it by giveing them guns and chemical weapons they were our weapons)

[stereodreamer23]

Heres a free extra stanza for you. Feel free to use it, just give me credit if you do... ;) Come Teabaggers, Acorns and other who buy the Right and Left paradigm, for it's all a Lie! We must now stand together or we soon all will die. The Fat Cats are eugenically ragin' This slice of baloney has TWO rotten sides. For the times they are not a-changin...

[EpicMovieFan96]

great i love it

[AnarchistActivist]

This is more American then any patriotic song

[blobperson]

@AnarchistActivist a true patriot will join disent...

[getsetrecords]

@AnarchistActivist " The original American patriots were those individuals brave enough to resist with force the oppressive power of King George. I accept the definition of patriotism as that effort to resist oppressive state power.

The true patriot is motivated by a sense of responsibility and out of self-interest for himself, his family, and the future of his country to resist government abuse of power. He rejects the notion that patriotism means obedience to the state." - Ron Paul

[noahfuckyourface]

@getsetrecords I pretty much agree with everything you said, but it was King George III.

[GodOfTheInternets]

@getsetrecords

Well, but Ron Paul FUCKING SUCKS!

[IlllllllllllllI]

@AnarchistActivist oh my god, how dense, a real anarchist activist, still uses "American" to mean "good thing".

[smedleylt]

WOW! I just discovered this tonight. Who is this Ryan Harvey and why isn't this wonderful angry passionate voice more well-known?!

[AnarchistOpposition]

@smedleylt He is a member of the riotfolk collective. He is not well known because the hegemony of the US and other countries does not like to shine light onto people outside of the conservative-liberal spectrum. Lol

[johnwrogers]

He's not a hippy "Lordteren3" You need some education, and not education from public schools.

[AnarchistOpposition]

@johnwrogers Eh, hippy is a very broad term. And I could see him fitting into a few definitions of it, although certainly not the historical one.

But yeah, you are right, lordteren3 does need some real education. Not the kind you get in any school. The kind you get from having curiosity and looking into questions to satisfy said curiosity. Thats my view.

[Lordteren3]

pathetic thing is that in half his songs he sings about the sacrifice of american soldiers and in the other half he calls them terrorists. fuck this hippy.

[AnarchistOpposition]

@Lordteren3 Pathetic thing, is that you don't understand that he never intended for their sacrifice to be viewed as proud. You kinda made that part up on your own.

[bstreet87]

@Lordteren3 Okay, maybe you haven't listened to much of his music so that whole concept may seem strange and ironic to you. This is what I have come to understand: He is not talking about AMERICAN soldiers, he is talking about the young kids and men who by some form of manipulation (be it money, education, or the trickery of patriotism) where conned into being these soldiers. The 'sacrifice' they make, if it doesn't claim their lives, affects their lives in such a negative way and it was an

[bstreet87]

unneeded sacrifice. They usually don't die by choice and most often are completely ignorant as to what they are fighting for anyhow. That's pretty brief and basic, but does it help make sense of why those two sides of his songs are so significant? It's a really big deal and it takes more than 500 songs sang by Ryan Harvey that seem repetitive for people to finally comprehend his point. Or at least get them thinking and wondering...and wandering. Let me know if that makes sense to you.

[Lordteren3]

mother fucker diss the marines.

this guy thinks terrorists are just defending their country? oh yea, im sure raping and killing you're own people and innocent kurds is defending your own country. fuck this idiot.

[AnarchistOpposition]

@Lordteren3 Yeah!! Your right!!! American soldiers have never done any of that shit!

[bstreet87]

@AnarchistOpposition  ahahaha

[AnarchistOpposition]

@bstreet87 Maybe I shouldn't have said american soldiers due to the kurds part. I kinda said that in haste. However, the US did supply many of the weapons that Saddam used to kill Kurds off. We also funded the Turkish army when they were committing a kurdish genoicide.

[BasciBaran]

@AnarchistOpposition Not much of a genocide considering the Kurdish PKK.

[AnarchistOpposition]

@BasciBaran Are you perhaps suggesting that it is not genocide if the group being targeted fights back?

If not, I do not understand your point.

[BasciBaran]

@AnarchistOpposition I do not know how you would draw the conclusion of a "target" group fighting back. The PKK aren't victimised Kurds resisting the Turks. They are Kurdish terrorists who have committed armed attacks in Turkish soil.

I'm not saying it's a genocide. I'm saying it's a war.

[AnarchistOpposition]

@BasciBaran So. Your saying because the PKK is a terrorist group (which is just a bit questionable, motivation wise) that the turks can then go around and burn down kurdish villages so that the PKK cannot "use them as outposts"?

Even if you assume that the PKK are not a defensive group, you argument has serious problems.

[judgeofcrap]

anarchist opposition is right they were not defenceless when sadom gassed them

the problem we had with the situation was they were our weapons they were useing



[anarchypolo9]

@BasciBaran The groups targeted by the holocaust  did resist during WW2: The Warsaw Ghetto uprising and Tito's partisans

[jacobvardy]

a real damn call to arms

[seigneurvoland666]

great folk punk artist

[troypanek]

thats a good song

[AnarchistOpposition]

A bit unusual tho, which is a good thing in my point of view.

[woodsofodin]

Yep. Song's about right. Good one, all be it very sad.

[AnarchistOpposition]

Ya XD

[organdva]

Another great song.

[AnarchistOpposition]

Thanks, organdva.

[organdva]

Thank you for posting videos :)

[AnarchistOpposition]

Sorry I've stopped posting informative videos temporarily. I do not have my computer as of now, I dont have any of my software XD

[organdva]

Youtube is eating comments. Let me know if is there any way I can help :D

[AnarchistOpposition]

Aight, thanks mate.