To clear some things up, Oyama taught some groundfighting and even included it in some of his books. Mostly of the Judo variety with striking added in. By all accounts he was a very fierce fighter and not a guy to mess with. Oyama would most likely have loved the UFC. He was a big proponent of hard sparring and competition. He also put a lot of emphasis on conditioning and rigorous training. I think he would've loves the challenge.
@atious, Mas Oyama fought 100 men a day, 3 days in a row. Later he upped it to 300 men. He never lost a fight. All those men were trying to hit him. But you are also correct, because in their minds, they were trying not to get hit by Mas Oyama, the most powerful striker to set foot in Japan in a hundred years. this fear if getting hit, is why they lose. as Mas states in his movie bio, he feared losing. He feared becoming a cripple. but never did he fear getting hit. That is why he always won.
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He has all my respect. He had founded a martial art style that I dare say produces one of the toughest martial artists in the world. please don't compare him to ufc fighters. He fought with many great martial artist all around the world, champions in their styles, including wrestlers and judo practitioners, and beat them all. Truly a master who pushed himself way over the human body's limit.
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I wonder how Oyama would have done in the first UFC competitions. The real UFC, where there were no rules.I think he would first loose to Royce Gracie, but then he would change his style and implement takedown defence, and also more throws and ground grappling. That's the way he always adapted his karate. Then he would maybe come back in UFC2 and defeat Royce. What do you think?
@Mask23232 He knew Judo so he was used to the gi wrestling. I don't think there was a guy like Oyama in UFC 1. He would have cleaned Royces clock in my opinion.
@Mask23232 Yeah he'd lose to Royce, by the way, this guy wrestled 52 bulls and killed 3 with his bare hands, he would chop off their horns in 1 chop from his hand. He would be illegal in a ring. Seriously, you guys need to get UFC out of your heads, it's just a sport. Don't compare it to these martial artists.
@strutzulescu I didn´t said he copied! I´m just saying that he uses the same technique! The way he punches, they way he move and how his disciple falls easily... wow... I wonder how the guy was the next morning..
@DuskfallBand well one reason would be that very few men have ever developed the strength and technique that Oyama has. I'm not comparing him to Bruce Lee but they both were phenomenons and if you want to learn their secrets you have to do what they did and dedicate your life to martial arts and strive for perfection everyday. No one can really explain how powerful Oyama was - they can only say things like "he could kill a mature bull while unarmed" and the list goes on.
@iEnjoiPooping heh, yeah. I actually have my own little theory about chambered punches. Think they're all about grabing your opponents kimono, pulling him towards you and hitting. Guess that's what they were doing in the old karate days.
my guess is mr. oyama is hitting with one or two knuckles. in a very painful way. like getting hit with a small hammer. same with his kicks. it may not look like much but i bet it hurt like hell.notice how there is a slight pause, then the uke goes down. thats a deep shot, a masters shot. like a baseball to the ribs. doesnt look like much on film, but man i bet it hurt.
people who don't know who the god hand oyama is, prob just been training a few months lol. these types of martial arts were the earliest and most brutal form of mma. pugilism, lei tai, lethwei, early jap jiujitsu, early version kyokushin(mas oyama style) when bareknuckle strikes to the head were allowed. people need to start learning, n give these older generation martial artists some credit and stop being disrespectful.
@GregYong I would even go farther and say that people fought throughout their history for tens and hundreds of thousands of years not knowing such words as karate, jiujitsu or kung-fu, just kicking and punching! About MMA - it's much older than you think, so THOSE were not the earliest. Example - Pankration in Ancient Greece some 2.5 thousand years ago - pure MMA, not mentioning that any two men (or Neanderthals) fighting are, in fact, doing MMA. So, nothing new now and nothing new then
Damn so many people talkig about shit they dont know about bruce lee was a great fighter who got into movies thats all there is to it, as for this master he is another great fighter who would easily have almost any ufc fighter for breakfast. You just cant see how good he is because on this video he is old.
@u2bdancer that actually reminded me of Baki the Grappler anime. I don't know if you're into that kind of stuff, but its an AWESOME SHOW! One of the best characters in that is heavily based off of Mas Oyama. Anyway, there's a line in there where Doppo (the character I'm talking about) says that same thing. I think the show gives a lot of respect to individual martial arts styles, despite how rediculously powerful the characters are.
@harukohayashi I agree. Yujiro really makes himself out to be a monster in the anime. I read bits and pieces of the manga on youtube. It seems like at the very least, Yujiro and Baki get along better in the manga.
Not that Oyama does not necessarily keeps his hands on guard around his head! In Kyokushin tournament hand strikes to the face were illegal but kicks to the head were always welcomed. Yet Oyama is building his defenses on identifying the kick before it started and moving out of the way instead of keeping his hands up to meet the kick.
@joncarolyn That is correct, but you always want to move forward and close on your opponent to take the opportunity to strike him back when he is busy striking you. If you do not, you miss the opportunity to end the game, and increase your chances to lose. Instinctively however ( if you were caught off guard and only paid attention in the last second, you would need to use your arms to block, since it is faster to move your arm than to shift your weight and move the whole body.
To block round house kick you would use the soft part of your forearm or the outer part(where two of your forearm bones are blocking at the same time). To block kicks that are coming to your body or heat directly(front and side)you would use the inner part of your forearm or the outside in a sliding motion that catches the opponent's leg from the side of his ankles, never on his shin. However you can block all kicks with a defensive kick to the top of his shin as well.
Knowing subconsciously that most karate strikes and kicks require a slight preparation and tightening of the muscles, and are only executed after the opponent closed the gap, and never at the same time, Oyama is able to just use a slight evasive motion to avoid the attacks, but yet staying close to his opponent taking advantage of the element of surprise(reaction time)and striking back his opponent while his opponent just finished his futile attack.
mass oyama is a intercepting punch, he draw a circle and stand inside when his oppoent try to move in him he punch,once get punch by him that it ko.I think he is much better than bruce lee.
@vincent7125 At the very least, I think he'd give Bruce Lee a run for his money. And in terms of raw strength and brute power, I give it to Mas Oyama. I forgot how heavy the stone was that he was able to lift though.
@matrix1240 Bruce Lee was a movie star, not a fighter. I think there are alot of good MAists out their who take Bruce Lee, the guy brought MA to the western public view, but that was through his films and surrounding hype many of the beliefs surrounding Lee's actual fighting credentials are quite un-substantiated.
@outsidepers eh? Really, he's just a "movie star" wow you should go read "Tao of Jeet Kune Do" before you make a comment about someone you don't know about.
There are plenty of Top notch MAist out thier right now that'd have someone like him for breakfast nowadays. There is no decent evidence to suggest he was an un-matched martial artists, on top of that, it barely makes sense that someone so committed to the holywood industry would have time for all the training to make such a good fighter. btw read it. along with his book on Chinese Gung fu and his "fighting method" I was once naive too! :)
@outsidepers As a Muay Thai and BJJ practitioner as well as an MMA fighter at times. I have to say that the Tao of Jeet Kune Do embodies the essence of modern MMA and what it stands for. At least to me. I don't think the book is naive. It is actually quite progressive. I find it interesting that most of the criticism of Bruce Lee I find is on the internet while in gyms, even MMA gyms, his ideology is revered and respected.
@MobiusCoin The book isn't naive, but to consider Bruce as "teh deadly" is naive, and what gyms, where, and how many of them have you actually spent time training at?
As for "MMA fighter at times" bullshit! You either train for MMA or you don't fight. Pure Muay Thai, combined with Pure BJJ needs to be adapted to fit together and account for eachother (and more) before any serious MMA gym will put you forward to represent them.
@outsidepers Right, I'm not primarily an MMA fighter. I have 2 MMA fights and yes I will admit they are losses. I mostly compete in traditional Thai fights. But don't tell me that's not fighting. Or that MT is BS or whatever the fuck close minded MMA fighters think. I spend most of my time between two cities and train at a primarily Thai gym in one city and the other is a modern MMA gym. And yes, both places have Lee on their walls along side Machado, Ajarn Chai, Buakaw, and Ali.
@outsidepers And notice I didn't say shit all about Lee himself. Nor did I claim for him to be "teh deadly", in fact I'm sure he wasn't much of a fighter himself since I've yet to see any footage of him competing. But I do know he's trained under Gene Lebell and knows Judo. In any case, all I was referring to was the book, not the man. Believe me a big proponent of "teh deadly doesn't exist".
@papertiger7 What do you, in fact, know about Bruce Lee, apart from being a moviestar, writing a book, staged exhibitions, and physical feats that were good but not as impressive as most think? Why do you think that writing a book makes someone great Martial Artist?
@papertiger7 Well, I shouldn't have started in the first place. You belong to the Bruce Lee fans community, creating big fuss out of every single word he said or wrote. Judge man by his deeds, not his words - and BL is known for his movies roles and exhibitions. I personally like him very much and i like what he used to say, but i don't find anyth special. Anyway, Great Martial Artists don't become such because if their books and words, do you agree or not?
@vincent7125 man you're right.(well i personaly agree)But for me Mas Oyama is not jus tbetter than bruce lee...Mas Oyama is one of the best martial artists ever. OSU!
@minasz - if it goes to your beloved Bruce Lee... i do respect him, REALLY I DO. but if there was a fight with Oyama vs Bruce Lee... then Oyama would break Bruce in half, really. Bruce Lee is something like Jet Li or Jackie Chan - they both are masters in their arts... but when they started to do bussines with hollywood... they became just "martial arts actors", just like Bruce Lee.
@wolverinek84 hahah Bruce Lee is something like Jet LI and Jacky Chan hahah you make me laugh again. I respect your opinion. But I think you have to study first before you say something. hahahah funny boy
@minasz - i did study them, i know who Bruce is and what he did, that is why i say what i say. and you should know that MMA isn`t martial "art" anymore, it`s more of a sport then any kind of "art".
@wolverinek84 If you study Bruce 's phylosophy then you must know better. But again Bruce is only human too. MMA i a sport, thats if you think commercially. If you see MMA as training different arts. Like me I see it as training Muay Thai and Jiu Jiutsu as an art. And love fighting. So instead of fighting people in the street I step in the ring and fight. Yes with rules or else we would kill eachother.
@wolverinek84 bruce lee is better than jackie chan and jet li, he got into fights outside of the studio and beat them all. he broke someones nose with one backfist, but i agree masutatsu oyama was referred to as godhand. mas oyama killed someone with one punch before and im pretty sure he can beat up bruce, but bruce is still a fighter while jet li and jackie are actors that don't really fight.
Read "Oyama : The Legend, the Legacy", the man killed 47 bulls with his hands a lot of them are documented on film, fought 300 fights in 3 days and won all of them, lived in the mountains for nearly 3 years to perfect his style, dedicated his life to karate and is world respected as a master so do you really think couldnt break a bottle neck?
@minasz whereas headhunting could lead to a knockout, the torso/body has much more vital and pressure points, which could potentially lead to death. hence, you'll see many of the "traditional" styles have a stance that covers their center/centerline.
besides, its relatively easier to dodge with the head than with the body
@tli1001 Yes thats true, And yes all styles cover their center.Its more easier and more practical to defend with your hands high to low, than from low to high.
There r many presurepoints on the body, but also the head is one big presurepoint if you know what i mean. The jaw, chin, nose, teeth, eye,throwt, , on, side or back of the head ect r all good hitpoints.. The body got its defence when you keep your hands high the arms defende the side of your body. also the muscles r defenders.
@minasz - and if that "hahaha" is about my comment, well, i don`t give a fuck. stop making stupid demonstrations like you did on your profile and start fighting, then you`ll know if your style is any good. like Oyama once said - "karate without fighting is just a dance".
@wolverinek84 Yes that hahah was about your comment. And me starting fighting well I do. I fight in rings and i have a kyokushin background. Im a brown belt then I ve started MMA. And yes Karate is my base. I dont have nothing about Kyokushin. It made me what I am today. 11 fights 10 wins 1 lost. I train muay thai and Jiu Jiutsu. but my kicks are from Kyokushin. I have nothing bad on the style. I just have an opinion of my own.
@RomeoSOF2 Wow, dude, I love both JKD Wing Chun and Kyokushin but why do people like you always gotta be putting down a REAL fighter like Bruce. If you actually did your research, you would know he's been in HUNDREDS of fight and NEVER lost one. Now NOONE knows who will be victor in a fight between Oyama and Lee because theyre both deceased but don't go dissing Bruce Lee. Acting was his profession, Martial Arts was his passion.
@RobDaFob Bruce VS Oyama, Bruce will beat Oyama stronly. With power, flexibiltiy, kicks and boxing and even grappling. Bruce is more a fighter. This video shows Oyama is not a real fighter. And it also looks fake. Yes he can hit boards and all kind of stuff. But we all know what Bruce once said: Boards dont hit back!
@minasz i seriously think you should read a little about the person you are talking about, dont get caught up in things you dont understand, Oyama perfected what is now the only recognized form of full contact karate (fighting people not boards) and although i love Bruce i strongly think youll find Oyama would have broken Bruce in two and made nunchakas out of him. OSU
@richardd2063 i agree with you.bruce lee dedicated his life to theater and his market is martial arts.during his time he is probably the best martial artist actor.comparing bruce lee to people who really dedicated their lives solely to martial arts,he is way below to the skills that these people possess.
@MrLouieG Yea i mean lots of people who like Bruce are very passionate about him thats great, he was one of the greatest M Artists of all time maybe, and perhaps a large lump of Oyama`s story is fiction, but even if 10 percent is true,,,i am sold OSU
@MrLouieG I agree, though i believe Bruce was totally commited and genuine, even ground breaking in many respects. Also perhaps Oyama was not the most beautiful fighter to watch, but he was hard as nails due to his iron will power and training. OSU
@richardd2063 bruce lee is nice to watch but oyama's fighting technique is more applicable into real fights.if i am bruce lee i could not see myself defending against a greco roman wrestler but oyama's stance is so firm just like a judo master himself.i suppose i like oyama's style for overall self defense.
@sagat1916120 We will never know but my bet is on Bruce (don't get me wrong I have MAD respect for the master, Mas Oyama) but Bruce is not only strong but he is EXTREMELY fast and he can adapt well to his situation. I would guess that Bruce would tire Oyama out by juking n what not then strike when he is vulnerable. Though idk, if Oyama land one got punch or knife hand strike to Bruce, it could be lights out lol.
um...in my opinion in a real fight it would be like ...you vs oyama...1 sec..head strike...ur dead:)) the dude used to kill bulls within one strike....i think he has a pretty big hit power:) i was just say'n
One can easily see from his training types like killing bulls and animals is against all Martial Art Spririt, i myself teach martial arts and i know that all grandmasters who created this art of Karate they didn't have this in mind to kill or to bully people.Oyama used to be a local hooligan in his youger years. not even a good person. Killing diseased animal was his passion..so tell me now who agrees that it is a quality of a sensei or sosai?
That's what the martial arts were created for. Oyama's style was one -strike = kill. Karate was used against the samurai. You couldn't aford to loss it would mean death. Please think before you speak.
It's so sad here in the States that teenagers and young adults look for Martial Arts schools that consist in fancy dancing,flamboyant stuff rather then authentic combat system for self defense and self discipline.
mma means nothing. it's just mixed martial arts and since almost every martial art IS a mixed martial art then saying that an mma fighter could take down oyama is an oxymoron.
Watching old Oyama vids we all see:From our perspective nowadays he was not impressive. The popularity of his style in some Eastern European country`s mafia circles gives us a glimpse of how his character and intentions were. Interesting to note, that he was beaten in a Wado dojo - but this claim again should be prooved, because Karate styles are extremely myth producing enviroments.
Why are people so disillusional when it comes to Oyama? He had little experience when he did his own thing, (what was he, 2nd dan?), and his outrageous claims just simply aren't true. He was beaten up in Tatsuo Suzuki's Wado class by a 1st dan, and the other masters never respected him. So why all the fuss over him? Kyokoshin has produced some excellent fighters, but Oyama himself was not very good. Why do people still believe his BS, and even when the facts are against them?
I agree with you, infact Oyama was not even a god person, just he used to bullying people, his main aim of Martial Arts was to kill and destroy and all his traaining was against love and respect of Karate -do- ...
Nowadays every karate shotokan or wado ryu dojos you will find will also be spoiled by the years and the spreading in occident...You will then find a lot more "bullshidos"
in a traditional karate dojo (wich will be called "club") than in a Kyokushinkai/Shinkyokushinkai one.
Actually the arshness of the training and the deep fraternity of the practitioners already overpass a lot of 21 st century's dojo of shotokan (I talk about what i know).
@GrimReaperAlphaTeam see i totally agree with you. I am not against any style or spirit. But now a days what you called as"Bullshidos" doesnt occur everywhere as you have said. See now a days Karate is treated as a sport not as a form of only fighting . SO that is why all dangerous techniques of karate has been banned now and regarding kyukushin i would say that they emphais more on fighting and full contact form and regarding oyama "killing abull" is reaaly a stupid thing
@GrimReaperAlphaTeam see i agree with you there are many "bullshido" is there but not alyways. Even there are local hooligans they just won one or two belts tthey claim themselve as a big fighter and open dojos in kyukushin also. and regarding killing of bull i wouls say.did you ever saw any wild african people? They not only kill bull they also fight with lion or tiger bare handed, Now you tell me what would you say about these guys? aren't they deserve "God-Hand"?
I learned karate in occident and then in Japan and so i can tell the difference.
Obviously there is some respectful traditional karate dojos in europe and US but they are a minority.
I never used the argument of the bull killing or the horn breaking against what you said, it was a answer to the argument that says that kyokushinkai has a lack of efficiency.
@GrimReaperAlphaTeam Hi Bro i agree withyou, i also aknow that kyukushinkai is the strongest full contact karate (infact i also atrted learning kyukushinkai)initially. But now a days karate is not only as a defence it is also a sport. but bro as you know kyukushin main emphasis is lays only on full contact fighting and sparring , hence overall karate development can't be achieved only by this..is i am still wrong? (as per my experiance i am saying) osu
Yes i do agree on this, but hopefully kyokushin permits to work over shotokan and gojo ryu kihon and kata's forms, i think like you that karate must combine both.
@atidip1982 He created this martial art for self defense. He was a very good man. One time when he was at some public place, someone threatened a woman with a knife. He killed him accidentally... after that he was very depressed and wanted to stop karate... but he didn't. And he helped the family of the thief for a couple of years, helping them work.
Also, Kyokushin as one of the few styles, still punch from the shoulder and not from the hip.
It has been proved over the years that a punch thrown from the shoulder costs much more energy and is weaker that a punch thrown from the hip. Bcuz when u punch from the hip, u let ur body do the work unlike a punch from the shoulder where ur shouldermuscle does all the work.
Im not saying kyokushin sucks, but it lacks alot of techniques seen in most other arts.
@kenseisato1989 - some styles of Karate do punch from the hip I think, but in Kyokushin we don't. Yes, punching from the hip can increase the power, but the most direct way to hit someone is in a straight line, so we punch from the armpit to reduce the distance...
@adnlloyd1 It hip rotation not punching from the hip that gives it power so ur def right about punching from the pectoral height but starting from the hip doesnt make it more powerful. Maybe im wrong but i would think punching from the hip would give less.....hmmm i think ill test that right now lol
@weisser08 My bad for the confusion. Some people say that from the hip is more powerful (some karate styles, TKD) but I agree what from the pectoral height seems stronger...regardless, it's defs what we do in Kyokushin basics
@kenseisato1989 part two - Also, since in sparring/fighting we keep our hands up to cover our head, it's seen as smarter to punch from nipple-height to get used to punching from that kind of height rather than punching from the hip, which is considerably lower than ganmen. Nor do we punch from the hip in katas. If you see a Kyokushin Karate dojo that punches from the hip, they've strayed from the teachings of Mas Oyama.
@kenseisato1989 The ONLY time we don't punch for the head in Kyokushin is in ungloved full contact tournaments like knockdown. Non contact, light contact, medium contact and gloved full contact all allow head punches.
Sorry no. This is one of the key differences of Kyokushin kihon. Kyokushin does not punch from the hip. The punch (in kihon) comes from under the arm against the rib cage.
What are you referring to; the fact I answered a questuin? If so get off your Kyoku knees and stop worshipping Oyama. Jon Bluming one of his best students ever knew the truth.
If mas oyama lives now of course he wouldnt be able to beat mma fighters. MMA are young and healthy and if he lived now hed be like 80+ years old. You're fucking stupid to compare him to MMA. Even if he was the best at young age hes human and cant beat the time. But i still believe that even at 60's he'd beat todays MMA fighters ^.^
Ok let's say he didn't, he could still wipe the floor with you at his late ages. With one hand.
Any comments on that?
No? So go troll somwhere else. We have respect for Mas Oyama because he was a great (greatest?) karate master, the founder of kyokushin style one of the top martial arts in the world.
Save your crap for something else, you won't change our view on him.
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Prove otherwise then. You can not be impressed with this crap. Find evidence that everything he claimed was true, then come back and tell me about it. He was uesless!
how do u know that it wasnt true! when u found some evidence that it wasnt true then come show me! hes still the founder of one of the most practiced martial arts in the world! is that not enough?
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He was a liar! Look at this video. It's crap! He has no skill at all! As for bull-fighting and taking on all-comers, it's all bullshit, excuse the pun.
To clear some things up, Oyama taught some groundfighting and even included it in some of his books. Mostly of the Judo variety with striking added in. By all accounts he was a very fierce fighter and not a guy to mess with. Oyama would most likely have loved the UFC. He was a big proponent of hard sparring and competition. He also put a lot of emphasis on conditioning and rigorous training. I think he would've loves the challenge.
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wildaaron12 1 month ago
@atious, Mas Oyama fought 100 men a day, 3 days in a row. Later he upped it to 300 men. He never lost a fight. All those men were trying to hit him. But you are also correct, because in their minds, they were trying not to get hit by Mas Oyama, the most powerful striker to set foot in Japan in a hundred years. this fear if getting hit, is why they lose. as Mas states in his movie bio, he feared losing. He feared becoming a cripple. but never did he fear getting hit. That is why he always won.
luvsbigboobs 2 months ago
@luvsbigboobs Too bad there is not a single piece of evidence regarding your claims.
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mma4life4ever 2 months ago
it didn't really look like they were trying to hit him
atious 3 months ago 2
This dude would DESTROY any UFC meathead.
matreyia 4 months ago 5
He has all my respect. He had founded a martial art style that I dare say produces one of the toughest martial artists in the world. please don't compare him to ufc fighters. He fought with many great martial artist all around the world, champions in their styles, including wrestlers and judo practitioners, and beat them all. Truly a master who pushed himself way over the human body's limit.
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Check out my sensei, Grand Master John Olivier video..he was a student of oyama. he breaks 2100 lbs of ice. look up his name in google and his video will show up
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Amelio1 5 months ago
I wonder how Oyama would have done in the first UFC competitions. The real UFC, where there were no rules.I think he would first loose to Royce Gracie, but then he would change his style and implement takedown defence, and also more throws and ground grappling. That's the way he always adapted his karate. Then he would maybe come back in UFC2 and defeat Royce. What do you think?
Mask23232 5 months ago
@Mask23232 He knew ground techniques. He's done at least wrestling and judo.
pastropmal 5 months ago
@Mask23232 He knew Judo so he was used to the gi wrestling. I don't think there was a guy like Oyama in UFC 1. He would have cleaned Royces clock in my opinion.
RagingDemon89 5 months ago
@Mask23232 Yeah he'd lose to Royce, by the way, this guy wrestled 52 bulls and killed 3 with his bare hands, he would chop off their horns in 1 chop from his hand. He would be illegal in a ring. Seriously, you guys need to get UFC out of your heads, it's just a sport. Don't compare it to these martial artists.
MadnessJuan 5 months ago
@MadnessJuan Yeah right 52 bulls and not a single video, nor even a photo. This is just a myth.
Karakta 1 month ago
@Mask23232 He trained his Fist by hittin fkn stones from young age to his last days .
He was born in a century where Dojos have to fight against each other to show there strengh and get students.
Most of this Fights ended up with Death how can he lose a no rules fight ? thats not even logic
TheoryOfFighting 4 months ago
@xxands93 Who cares? I'd just want to see it happen!
Tsukasamacleod 5 months ago
HE USES "SYSTEMA" (russian martial arts) PUNCH!!!
Azfargh 7 months ago
@Azfargh when oyama was fighting systema wasnt even copied yet
strutzulescu 6 months ago
@strutzulescu I didn´t said he copied! I´m just saying that he uses the same technique! The way he punches, they way he move and how his disciple falls easily... wow... I wonder how the guy was the next morning..
Azfargh 6 months ago
the trick to fight people well below your weight class and experience level. In today's mma he would have been held down like a japanese schoolgirl.
voneinemkindgefict 7 months ago
why is he using chamber punches but nowadays hardly any karatekas do during fights?
DuskfallBand 7 months ago
@DuskfallBand well one reason would be that very few men have ever developed the strength and technique that Oyama has. I'm not comparing him to Bruce Lee but they both were phenomenons and if you want to learn their secrets you have to do what they did and dedicate your life to martial arts and strive for perfection everyday. No one can really explain how powerful Oyama was - they can only say things like "he could kill a mature bull while unarmed" and the list goes on.
iEnjoiPooping 6 months ago
@iEnjoiPooping heh, yeah. I actually have my own little theory about chambered punches. Think they're all about grabing your opponents kimono, pulling him towards you and hitting. Guess that's what they were doing in the old karate days.
DuskfallBand 6 months ago
the man killed a bull with a punch.Respect.
evol1349 7 months ago
osu
KyokushinkanGermany 9 months ago
my guess is mr. oyama is hitting with one or two knuckles. in a very painful way. like getting hit with a small hammer. same with his kicks. it may not look like much but i bet it hurt like hell.notice how there is a slight pause, then the uke goes down. thats a deep shot, a masters shot. like a baseball to the ribs. doesnt look like much on film, but man i bet it hurt.
MrByaeger 9 months ago
people who don't know who the god hand oyama is, prob just been training a few months lol. these types of martial arts were the earliest and most brutal form of mma. pugilism, lei tai, lethwei, early jap jiujitsu, early version kyokushin(mas oyama style) when bareknuckle strikes to the head were allowed. people need to start learning, n give these older generation martial artists some credit and stop being disrespectful.
GregYong 9 months ago
@GregYong I would even go farther and say that people fought throughout their history for tens and hundreds of thousands of years not knowing such words as karate, jiujitsu or kung-fu, just kicking and punching! About MMA - it's much older than you think, so THOSE were not the earliest. Example - Pankration in Ancient Greece some 2.5 thousand years ago - pure MMA, not mentioning that any two men (or Neanderthals) fighting are, in fact, doing MMA. So, nothing new now and nothing new then
valgez1 8 months ago
@valgez1 i'm just listing some of the ones people may not have heard about, or are ignorant towards. i'm sure everyone's heard of pankration.
GregYong 8 months ago
Damn so many people talkig about shit they dont know about bruce lee was a great fighter who got into movies thats all there is to it, as for this master he is another great fighter who would easily have almost any ufc fighter for breakfast. You just cant see how good he is because on this video he is old.
Thank you.
narushigo 9 months ago
He doesn't get much respect because he's not a attention whoring ufc fighter ^.^ which make him earn my respect.
Larxii 1 year ago 36
bow to the master
u2bdancer 1 year ago
@u2bdancer that actually reminded me of Baki the Grappler anime. I don't know if you're into that kind of stuff, but its an AWESOME SHOW! One of the best characters in that is heavily based off of Mas Oyama. Anyway, there's a line in there where Doppo (the character I'm talking about) says that same thing. I think the show gives a lot of respect to individual martial arts styles, despite how rediculously powerful the characters are.
matrix1240 11 months ago
@matrix1240 Hey, I watch that too, but some of its episode are too violent and cruel..especially Baki's father..Hanma Yujiro
harukohayashi 11 months ago
@harukohayashi I agree. Yujiro really makes himself out to be a monster in the anime. I read bits and pieces of the manga on youtube. It seems like at the very least, Yujiro and Baki get along better in the manga.
matrix1240 10 months ago
Not that Oyama does not necessarily keeps his hands on guard around his head! In Kyokushin tournament hand strikes to the face were illegal but kicks to the head were always welcomed. Yet Oyama is building his defenses on identifying the kick before it started and moving out of the way instead of keeping his hands up to meet the kick.
TopExpert10 1 year ago
@TopExpert10 I learnt very early on that moving out of the way is far better than trying to absorb any of the kick with your arms anyway...
joncarolyn 1 year ago
@joncarolyn That is correct, but you always want to move forward and close on your opponent to take the opportunity to strike him back when he is busy striking you. If you do not, you miss the opportunity to end the game, and increase your chances to lose. Instinctively however ( if you were caught off guard and only paid attention in the last second, you would need to use your arms to block, since it is faster to move your arm than to shift your weight and move the whole body.
TopExpert10 1 year ago
To block round house kick you would use the soft part of your forearm or the outer part(where two of your forearm bones are blocking at the same time). To block kicks that are coming to your body or heat directly(front and side)you would use the inner part of your forearm or the outside in a sliding motion that catches the opponent's leg from the side of his ankles, never on his shin. However you can block all kicks with a defensive kick to the top of his shin as well.
TopExpert10 1 year ago
@TopExpert10 yep I like to check kicks...
I nearly had my arm broken one time blocking a kick...
It made me realise how stupid a lot of blocks are...
The first style of Karate I learnt used a lot of blocks for kicks that used the forearm...
Not very effective if the person really knows what they are doing...
I like to check anything from just above the waist down...
Hopefully avoid any higher kicks with footwork or try and use the upper part of my arms for blocks after that..
joncarolyn 1 year ago
Knowing subconsciously that most karate strikes and kicks require a slight preparation and tightening of the muscles, and are only executed after the opponent closed the gap, and never at the same time, Oyama is able to just use a slight evasive motion to avoid the attacks, but yet staying close to his opponent taking advantage of the element of surprise(reaction time)and striking back his opponent while his opponent just finished his futile attack.
TopExpert10 1 year ago
Mas Oyama admitted his inability to defeat an old Tai Chi guy.
ForwardIntent 1 year ago
Oyama is a bad ass. I would have hated to face him in a match. RIP Oyama Sensei.
shotojojo1986 1 year ago
If Mas Oyama hit me, my name would be changed: First name "Dead", and my last name "Man"
matrix1240 1 year ago 44
mass oyama is a intercepting punch, he draw a circle and stand inside when his oppoent try to move in him he punch,once get punch by him that it ko.I think he is much better than bruce lee.
vincent7125 11 months ago
@vincent7125 At the very least, I think he'd give Bruce Lee a run for his money. And in terms of raw strength and brute power, I give it to Mas Oyama. I forgot how heavy the stone was that he was able to lift though.
matrix1240 11 months ago
@matrix1240 Bruce Lee was a movie star, not a fighter. I think there are alot of good MAists out their who take Bruce Lee, the guy brought MA to the western public view, but that was through his films and surrounding hype many of the beliefs surrounding Lee's actual fighting credentials are quite un-substantiated.
outsidepers 10 months ago
@outsidepers eh? Really, he's just a "movie star" wow you should go read "Tao of Jeet Kune Do" before you make a comment about someone you don't know about.
papertiger7 10 months ago
@papertiger7
There are plenty of Top notch MAist out thier right now that'd have someone like him for breakfast nowadays. There is no decent evidence to suggest he was an un-matched martial artists, on top of that, it barely makes sense that someone so committed to the holywood industry would have time for all the training to make such a good fighter. btw read it. along with his book on Chinese Gung fu and his "fighting method" I was once naive too! :)
outsidepers 10 months ago
@outsidepers As a Muay Thai and BJJ practitioner as well as an MMA fighter at times. I have to say that the Tao of Jeet Kune Do embodies the essence of modern MMA and what it stands for. At least to me. I don't think the book is naive. It is actually quite progressive. I find it interesting that most of the criticism of Bruce Lee I find is on the internet while in gyms, even MMA gyms, his ideology is revered and respected.
MobiusCoin 8 months ago
@MobiusCoin The book isn't naive, but to consider Bruce as "teh deadly" is naive, and what gyms, where, and how many of them have you actually spent time training at?
As for "MMA fighter at times" bullshit! You either train for MMA or you don't fight. Pure Muay Thai, combined with Pure BJJ needs to be adapted to fit together and account for eachother (and more) before any serious MMA gym will put you forward to represent them.
outsidepers 7 months ago
@outsidepers Right, I'm not primarily an MMA fighter. I have 2 MMA fights and yes I will admit they are losses. I mostly compete in traditional Thai fights. But don't tell me that's not fighting. Or that MT is BS or whatever the fuck close minded MMA fighters think. I spend most of my time between two cities and train at a primarily Thai gym in one city and the other is a modern MMA gym. And yes, both places have Lee on their walls along side Machado, Ajarn Chai, Buakaw, and Ali.
MobiusCoin 7 months ago
@outsidepers And notice I didn't say shit all about Lee himself. Nor did I claim for him to be "teh deadly", in fact I'm sure he wasn't much of a fighter himself since I've yet to see any footage of him competing. But I do know he's trained under Gene Lebell and knows Judo. In any case, all I was referring to was the book, not the man. Believe me a big proponent of "teh deadly doesn't exist".
MobiusCoin 7 months ago
@papertiger7 What do you, in fact, know about Bruce Lee, apart from being a moviestar, writing a book, staged exhibitions, and physical feats that were good but not as impressive as most think? Why do you think that writing a book makes someone great Martial Artist?
valgez1 8 months ago
@valgez1 Well obviously you haven't read the book so there's no reason to argue with you.
papertiger7 8 months ago
@papertiger7 Well, I shouldn't have started in the first place. You belong to the Bruce Lee fans community, creating big fuss out of every single word he said or wrote. Judge man by his deeds, not his words - and BL is known for his movies roles and exhibitions. I personally like him very much and i like what he used to say, but i don't find anyth special. Anyway, Great Martial Artists don't become such because if their books and words, do you agree or not?
valgez1 8 months ago
@vincent7125 man you're right.(well i personaly agree)But for me Mas Oyama is not jus tbetter than bruce lee...Mas Oyama is one of the best martial artists ever. OSU!
parkourway 10 months ago
@matrix1240 guess the first name's wrong... it shud be "powdered" i guess...
F91yzg 7 months ago
oyama was a real great man and teacher..perhaps the best the world has ever seen(strongest) i've studied and lived karate for 40 yrs.
dcarrero26 1 year ago
this fight is bullshit
minasz 1 year ago
@minasz - if it goes to your beloved Bruce Lee... i do respect him, REALLY I DO. but if there was a fight with Oyama vs Bruce Lee... then Oyama would break Bruce in half, really. Bruce Lee is something like Jet Li or Jackie Chan - they both are masters in their arts... but when they started to do bussines with hollywood... they became just "martial arts actors", just like Bruce Lee.
wolverinek84 1 year ago
@wolverinek84 hahah Bruce Lee is something like Jet LI and Jacky Chan hahah you make me laugh again. I respect your opinion. But I think you have to study first before you say something. hahahah funny boy
minasz 1 year ago
@minasz - i did study them, i know who Bruce is and what he did, that is why i say what i say. and you should know that MMA isn`t martial "art" anymore, it`s more of a sport then any kind of "art".
wolverinek84 1 year ago
@wolverinek84 If you study Bruce 's phylosophy then you must know better. But again Bruce is only human too. MMA i a sport, thats if you think commercially. If you see MMA as training different arts. Like me I see it as training Muay Thai and Jiu Jiutsu as an art. And love fighting. So instead of fighting people in the street I step in the ring and fight. Yes with rules or else we would kill eachother.
minasz 1 year ago
@wolverinek84 bruce lee is better than jackie chan and jet li, he got into fights outside of the studio and beat them all. he broke someones nose with one backfist, but i agree masutatsu oyama was referred to as godhand. mas oyama killed someone with one punch before and im pretty sure he can beat up bruce, but bruce is still a fighter while jet li and jackie are actors that don't really fight.
TH3aznEmperor 1 year ago
I think that explains my thoughts quite well without disrespecting Sifu Lee. Thank you.
Richard
richardd2063 1 year ago
@richardd2063
Ah nevermind, I'm such an idiot, there's videos on the side... in poor quality.
Da1RiSiN1sMoKe 1 year ago
Read "Oyama : The Legend, the Legacy", the man killed 47 bulls with his hands a lot of them are documented on film, fought 300 fights in 3 days and won all of them, lived in the mountains for nearly 3 years to perfect his style, dedicated his life to karate and is world respected as a master so do you really think couldnt break a bottle neck?
richardd2063 1 year ago
That is the old trick of caramel that use hollywood to replase the glass to do special effects. That is a fake glass done of candy. hahaha...
barbarotico 1 year ago
@barbarotico yeah i sure they were that advanced in sfx in the 1960s.... lols
BAE51C 1 year ago
He fights with no high defence. Isnt that dangerous for being knocked out?
minasz 1 year ago
@minasz whereas headhunting could lead to a knockout, the torso/body has much more vital and pressure points, which could potentially lead to death. hence, you'll see many of the "traditional" styles have a stance that covers their center/centerline.
besides, its relatively easier to dodge with the head than with the body
...something like that
tli1001 1 year ago
@tli1001 Yes thats true, And yes all styles cover their center.Its more easier and more practical to defend with your hands high to low, than from low to high.
There r many presurepoints on the body, but also the head is one big presurepoint if you know what i mean. The jaw, chin, nose, teeth, eye,throwt, , on, side or back of the head ect r all good hitpoints.. The body got its defence when you keep your hands high the arms defende the side of your body. also the muscles r defenders.
minasz 1 year ago
@minasz - actually it`s not that easy to to real damage when hitting in head... you either have to aim real good or just have luck.
wolverinek84 1 year ago
@wolverinek84 hahaha
minasz 1 year ago
@minasz - and if that "hahaha" is about my comment, well, i don`t give a fuck. stop making stupid demonstrations like you did on your profile and start fighting, then you`ll know if your style is any good. like Oyama once said - "karate without fighting is just a dance".
wolverinek84 1 year ago
@wolverinek84 Yes that hahah was about your comment. And me starting fighting well I do. I fight in rings and i have a kyokushin background. Im a brown belt then I ve started MMA. And yes Karate is my base. I dont have nothing about Kyokushin. It made me what I am today. 11 fights 10 wins 1 lost. I train muay thai and Jiu Jiutsu. but my kicks are from Kyokushin. I have nothing bad on the style. I just have an opinion of my own.
minasz 1 year ago
@tli1001 And yes if you can make somebody miss by dodging, step and sliding than thats offcourse better. But thats not alwayz practical.
minasz 1 year ago
Each arm's like a baseball bat.
gremlin05 1 year ago
@gremlin05 no like sledgehammers.
RobDaFob 1 year ago
karate is a joke
M90LX 1 year ago
Osu!
LordVader49 1 year ago
this guy was awesome wonder if he'd beat bruce lee
sagat1916120 1 year ago
@sagat1916120 Ofcourse. I am surtain, that Oyama would beat anyone.
Besides, Bruce Lee was more of an actor...
RomeoSOF2 1 year ago
@RomeoSOF2 Wow, dude, I love both JKD Wing Chun and Kyokushin but why do people like you always gotta be putting down a REAL fighter like Bruce. If you actually did your research, you would know he's been in HUNDREDS of fight and NEVER lost one. Now NOONE knows who will be victor in a fight between Oyama and Lee because theyre both deceased but don't go dissing Bruce Lee. Acting was his profession, Martial Arts was his passion.
RobDaFob 1 year ago
@RobDaFob Bruce VS Oyama, Bruce will beat Oyama stronly. With power, flexibiltiy, kicks and boxing and even grappling. Bruce is more a fighter. This video shows Oyama is not a real fighter. And it also looks fake. Yes he can hit boards and all kind of stuff. But we all know what Bruce once said: Boards dont hit back!
minasz 1 year ago
@minasz i seriously think you should read a little about the person you are talking about, dont get caught up in things you dont understand, Oyama perfected what is now the only recognized form of full contact karate (fighting people not boards) and although i love Bruce i strongly think youll find Oyama would have broken Bruce in two and made nunchakas out of him. OSU
richardd2063 1 year ago
@richardd2063 i agree with you.bruce lee dedicated his life to theater and his market is martial arts.during his time he is probably the best martial artist actor.comparing bruce lee to people who really dedicated their lives solely to martial arts,he is way below to the skills that these people possess.
MrLouieG 1 year ago
@MrLouieG Yea i mean lots of people who like Bruce are very passionate about him thats great, he was one of the greatest M Artists of all time maybe, and perhaps a large lump of Oyama`s story is fiction, but even if 10 percent is true,,,i am sold OSU
richardd2063 1 year ago
@richardd2063 it is mostly true
hwangsutran 1 year ago
@MrLouieG I agree, though i believe Bruce was totally commited and genuine, even ground breaking in many respects. Also perhaps Oyama was not the most beautiful fighter to watch, but he was hard as nails due to his iron will power and training. OSU
richardd2063 1 year ago
@richardd2063 bruce lee is nice to watch but oyama's fighting technique is more applicable into real fights.if i am bruce lee i could not see myself defending against a greco roman wrestler but oyama's stance is so firm just like a judo master himself.i suppose i like oyama's style for overall self defense.
MrLouieG 1 year ago
@richardd2063 WELL SAID
hwangsutran 1 year ago
@sagat1916120 We will never know but my bet is on Bruce (don't get me wrong I have MAD respect for the master, Mas Oyama) but Bruce is not only strong but he is EXTREMELY fast and he can adapt well to his situation. I would guess that Bruce would tire Oyama out by juking n what not then strike when he is vulnerable. Though idk, if Oyama land one got punch or knife hand strike to Bruce, it could be lights out lol.
RobDaFob 1 year ago
iron fist.....
ysergiu 1 year ago
this guy killed a bull?
jung567 1 year ago
um...in my opinion in a real fight it would be like ...you vs oyama...1 sec..head strike...ur dead:)) the dude used to kill bulls within one strike....i think he has a pretty big hit power:) i was just say'n
matanpezda 1 year ago
One can easily see from his training types like killing bulls and animals is against all Martial Art Spririt, i myself teach martial arts and i know that all grandmasters who created this art of Karate they didn't have this in mind to kill or to bully people.Oyama used to be a local hooligan in his youger years. not even a good person. Killing diseased animal was his passion..so tell me now who agrees that it is a quality of a sensei or sosai?
atidip1982 1 year ago
That's what the martial arts were created for. Oyama's style was one -strike = kill. Karate was used against the samurai. You couldn't aford to loss it would mean death. Please think before you speak.
deerider 1 year ago
That's very nice, I wonder how to kill a beer bottle. Thank you Mas Oyama, domo arigato gosai mashita !
lepivert 1 year ago
I like kyokushin karate, very very much!!!!!!
yasira2 1 year ago
I think people don't respect Oyama because he isn't flamboyant and exaggerated enough for the modern American view of martial arts.
mekkakid 1 year ago 49
goes bit oposite for me. Old man that has exegarrated muscles doesn't seem like martial artist to me. LoL
spupapi 1 year ago
Well said mekkakid!!
It's so sad here in the States that teenagers and young adults look for Martial Arts schools that consist in fancy dancing,flamboyant stuff rather then authentic combat system for self defense and self discipline.
NYKgjl10 1 year ago
@mekkakid add the fact he isn't that well known...
joncarolyn 1 year ago
crap fighters
FIGHTFANNERD3 1 year ago
@FIGHTFANNERD3 o shut up fucking troll
jiriterp 1 year ago
mma means nothing. it's just mixed martial arts and since almost every martial art IS a mixed martial art then saying that an mma fighter could take down oyama is an oxymoron.
roundhouseJIZZ 1 year ago
Watching old Oyama vids we all see:From our perspective nowadays he was not impressive. The popularity of his style in some Eastern European country`s mafia circles gives us a glimpse of how his character and intentions were. Interesting to note, that he was beaten in a Wado dojo - but this claim again should be prooved, because Karate styles are extremely myth producing enviroments.
gonorrhoeheliumgirl 2 years ago
Just as in all other martial arts myths have been around a long time. Long before Bruce Lee & Steven Seagal LOL...
tedfio1tedfio1 1 year ago
Why are people so disillusional when it comes to Oyama? He had little experience when he did his own thing, (what was he, 2nd dan?), and his outrageous claims just simply aren't true. He was beaten up in Tatsuo Suzuki's Wado class by a 1st dan, and the other masters never respected him. So why all the fuss over him? Kyokoshin has produced some excellent fighters, but Oyama himself was not very good. Why do people still believe his BS, and even when the facts are against them?
bigdaddycoolshoes 2 years ago 2
I agree with you, infact Oyama was not even a god person, just he used to bullying people, his main aim of Martial Arts was to kill and destroy and all his traaining was against love and respect of Karate -do- ...
atidip1982 2 years ago 3
@atidip1982
Wow! A sensible comment on here for once! Thank you!
bigdaddycoolshoes 2 years ago 4
@bigdaddycoolshoes that ridge hand to the head then chop move is flashy enough for me lol
outspokenreflex 1 year ago
@atidip1982 And by the way how do you know Oyama was a bully????
deerider 1 year ago
@atidip1982
Nowadays every karate shotokan or wado ryu dojos you will find will also be spoiled by the years and the spreading in occident...You will then find a lot more "bullshidos"
in a traditional karate dojo (wich will be called "club") than in a Kyokushinkai/Shinkyokushinkai one.
Actually the arshness of the training and the deep fraternity of the practitioners already overpass a lot of 21 st century's dojo of shotokan (I talk about what i know).
GrimReaperAlphaTeam 1 year ago
@GrimReaperAlphaTeam see i totally agree with you. I am not against any style or spirit. But now a days what you called as"Bullshidos" doesnt occur everywhere as you have said. See now a days Karate is treated as a sport not as a form of only fighting . SO that is why all dangerous techniques of karate has been banned now and regarding kyukushin i would say that they emphais more on fighting and full contact form and regarding oyama "killing abull" is reaaly a stupid thing
atidip1982 1 year ago
@GrimReaperAlphaTeam see i agree with you there are many "bullshido" is there but not alyways. Even there are local hooligans they just won one or two belts tthey claim themselve as a big fighter and open dojos in kyukushin also. and regarding killing of bull i wouls say.did you ever saw any wild african people? They not only kill bull they also fight with lion or tiger bare handed, Now you tell me what would you say about these guys? aren't they deserve "God-Hand"?
atidip1982 1 year ago
@atidip1982
I learned karate in occident and then in Japan and so i can tell the difference.
Obviously there is some respectful traditional karate dojos in europe and US but they are a minority.
I never used the argument of the bull killing or the horn breaking against what you said, it was a answer to the argument that says that kyokushinkai has a lack of efficiency.
GrimReaperAlphaTeam 1 year ago
@GrimReaperAlphaTeam Hi Bro i agree withyou, i also aknow that kyukushinkai is the strongest full contact karate (infact i also atrted learning kyukushinkai)initially. But now a days karate is not only as a defence it is also a sport. but bro as you know kyukushin main emphasis is lays only on full contact fighting and sparring , hence overall karate development can't be achieved only by this..is i am still wrong? (as per my experiance i am saying) osu
atidip1982 1 year ago
@atidip1982
Yes i do agree on this, but hopefully kyokushin permits to work over shotokan and gojo ryu kihon and kata's forms, i think like you that karate must combine both.
Osu
GrimReaperAlphaTeam 1 year ago
@atidip1982 He created this martial art for self defense. He was a very good man. One time when he was at some public place, someone threatened a woman with a knife. He killed him accidentally... after that he was very depressed and wanted to stop karate... but he didn't. And he helped the family of the thief for a couple of years, helping them work.
RomeoSOF2 1 year ago
Also, Kyokushin as one of the few styles, still punch from the shoulder and not from the hip.
It has been proved over the years that a punch thrown from the shoulder costs much more energy and is weaker that a punch thrown from the hip. Bcuz when u punch from the hip, u let ur body do the work unlike a punch from the shoulder where ur shouldermuscle does all the work.
Im not saying kyokushin sucks, but it lacks alot of techniques seen in most other arts.
Koensol 1 year ago
No, in Kyokushin you are supposed to punch from the hip. That's what I've been taught since I started.
mekkakid 1 year ago
Punch from the HIP??? Mate, we don't punch from the hip in kyokushin karate, that's more like TKD....
adnlloyd1 1 year ago
@adnlloyd1
im confused, i thought kyokushin punched from the hip in the katas
and power comes from the hip too right? (not all)
kenseisato1989 1 year ago
@kenseisato1989 - some styles of Karate do punch from the hip I think, but in Kyokushin we don't. Yes, punching from the hip can increase the power, but the most direct way to hit someone is in a straight line, so we punch from the armpit to reduce the distance...
adnlloyd1 1 year ago
@adnlloyd1
when they sparr right?
kenseisato1989 1 year ago
@adnlloyd1 It hip rotation not punching from the hip that gives it power so ur def right about punching from the pectoral height but starting from the hip doesnt make it more powerful. Maybe im wrong but i would think punching from the hip would give less.....hmmm i think ill test that right now lol
weisser08 1 year ago
@weisser08 My bad for the confusion. Some people say that from the hip is more powerful (some karate styles, TKD) but I agree what from the pectoral height seems stronger...regardless, it's defs what we do in Kyokushin basics
adnlloyd1 1 year ago
@kenseisato1989 part two - Also, since in sparring/fighting we keep our hands up to cover our head, it's seen as smarter to punch from nipple-height to get used to punching from that kind of height rather than punching from the hip, which is considerably lower than ganmen. Nor do we punch from the hip in katas. If you see a Kyokushin Karate dojo that punches from the hip, they've strayed from the teachings of Mas Oyama.
adnlloyd1 1 year ago
@adnlloyd1
thanks for your information.
kenseisato1989 1 year ago
@kenseisato1989 No problem - punch from armpit/chest height in kata/basics, punch from our head-cover position in sparing.
adnlloyd1 1 year ago
@adnlloyd1
wait so in kyokushin katas you don't punch to the head?
kenseisato1989 1 year ago
@kenseisato1989 of course we do. The armpits/chest is only the starting point. We do all kinds of punches, kicks, blocks etc in kata
adnlloyd1 1 year ago
@kenseisato1989 The ONLY time we don't punch for the head in Kyokushin is in ungloved full contact tournaments like knockdown. Non contact, light contact, medium contact and gloved full contact all allow head punches.
psychedashell 1 year ago
@psychedashell
thanks for the update
kenseisato1989 1 year ago
Sorry no. This is one of the key differences of Kyokushin kihon. Kyokushin does not punch from the hip. The punch (in kihon) comes from under the arm against the rib cage.
aldridge1 1 year ago
The same reason people view Bruce Lee as a god I suppose.
tedfio1tedfio1 1 year ago
@tedfio1tedfio1 THAT OLD MAN WITH ANY HAND TECHNIQUE COULD MAKE BLEDING AND HAD YOUR SKULL OPEN LIKE THE BULL HE KILLED!!!
GROW UP MAN AND GIVE RESPECT YOU HAVE NONE...
punhada 1 year ago
What are you referring to; the fact I answered a questuin? If so get off your Kyoku knees and stop worshipping Oyama. Jon Bluming one of his best students ever knew the truth.
tedfio1tedfio1 1 year ago
@bigdaddycoolshoes He was actually beaten in Japan? Source? Who defeated him? He is known to be undefeated in Japan.
MMAfanFORsure 1 year ago
He was crap though.
bigdaddycoolshoes 2 years ago
Ossu
SoulSpy123 2 years ago
fought 52 bulls...
AzumiNW 2 years ago
If mas oyama lives now of course he wouldnt be able to beat mma fighters. MMA are young and healthy and if he lived now hed be like 80+ years old. You're fucking stupid to compare him to MMA. Even if he was the best at young age hes human and cant beat the time. But i still believe that even at 60's he'd beat todays MMA fighters ^.^
spupapi 2 years ago
an mma fighter would take him down and submit him. your forgetting the rules of mma
drewmush1 1 year ago
You're forgeting that he was kyokushin, meaning that kyokushin has almost same rules like MMA :)
spupapi 1 year ago
you are quite wrong. you can't hit your opponent in the head or face with any part of your arm or hand... no grappling... almost same rules?
G0N0RRE0 1 year ago
I believe he also had a 4rth Dan in Judo. I don't think he had to worry about MMA.
tedfio1tedfio1 1 year ago
LOL. In a real fight, there are no rules. Good luck getting this guy into any submission without him literally busting your skull.
Jinkiro 1 year ago
Actually Oyama was also a 3rd or 4th degree black belt in judo. So probably not.
PabloM31 1 year ago
@drewmush1
You're forgetting that Sosai Oyama broke bull's horns...
GrimReaperAlphaTeam 1 year ago
it seems like bigdaddy doesn't know what he's talking about... try to fight someone who trained kyokushinkai, but don't cry if it hurts
MMTwister 2 years ago 8
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I gurentee any trained mma fighter now adays would whoop this dudes ass
thefury187 2 years ago
yeah right wwe is fake, fighters dont have any fighting (real fighting ) experience, masutatsu would take theire breath with one single punch
BizarreWorks 2 years ago
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Typical Japanese martial arts, the student stands there and lets the "sensei" beat up on him. To fight back would be considered rude.
LuckyDeviI 2 years ago
KILL TO 50 BULLS WITH YOUR HANDS.
Italodancers 2 years ago
He didn't.
bigdaddycoolshoes 2 years ago
Trust me he did 50 bull fights:)
OSU
CreativeThings1 2 years ago
Ok let's say he didn't, he could still wipe the floor with you at his late ages. With one hand.
Any comments on that?
No? So go troll somwhere else. We have respect for Mas Oyama because he was a great (greatest?) karate master, the founder of kyokushin style one of the top martial arts in the world.
Save your crap for something else, you won't change our view on him.
Ossu Mas Oyama.
SoulSpy123 2 years ago
Breaking techniques are called tameshiwari.
Da1RiSiN1sMoKe 2 years ago
Osu!
HondaRider85r 2 years ago
I suppose every other video on youtube is also fake.
spartanman123 2 years ago
Why would that be? It just happens to be that I am not brain-washed into believing the crap Oyama came out with. Some people will believe anything.
bigdaddycoolshoes 2 years ago
Bollocks! What a stupid thing to say.
bigdaddycoolshoes 2 years ago
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Prove otherwise then. You can not be impressed with this crap. Find evidence that everything he claimed was true, then come back and tell me about it. He was uesless!
bigdaddycoolshoes 2 years ago
how do u know that it wasnt true! when u found some evidence that it wasnt true then come show me! hes still the founder of one of the most practiced martial arts in the world! is that not enough?
kingmoL3 2 years ago
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He was a liar! Look at this video. It's crap! He has no skill at all! As for bull-fighting and taking on all-comers, it's all bullshit, excuse the pun.
bigdaddycoolshoes 2 years ago
@ bigfaffycoolshoes
hahah as you say keyboard warrior
3Dtrauma 2 years ago
im a mas oyama fan and all but, chopping a glass bottle in half is it really possible?
poinkothe1st 2 years ago
Yes. They can break cinder blocks too.
Savaril 2 years ago
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why the fuck are you fan of this crap fighter
FIGHTFANNERD3 1 year ago
lol did u go through all the comments or something? haha mas oyama is cool..
poinkothe1st 1 year ago