we will be remembered for this

[imacheekydevil]

Something everyone sems to have overlooked is the medical side of things. Cholera, typhoid, toberculosas, aids, hepatitis etc. As a country we have a RIGHT to protect our borders. This might not be the best way but, if we believe what we hear, detention in Auistralia is 100 times better than what they are running away from in their original country. .... and everything they get here is paid for by AUSTRALIAN taxpayers..Its no that bad and if it is then keep on sailing to En Zed

[Riyun72]

There isn't some political spin in this doco nooooo!!

[fairkoala]

Like I said, if you wanna get in Australia you got to go the legal process like all others before you. Skilled professionals is what we want, not some beggars from third world country who only bring along their fanatic religions and trying to impose it on the host country.

[NSW2101]

The majority of so called asylum seekers are quite predictable.. If Australia were a poor third world nation would they actually be coming here ?? Ask Sweden the same question?

BTW- Just to sum up Muslim asylum seekers pass through both Malaysia *AND* Indonesia to cross treacherous waters to get to Christian Australia !!!

Have a Good Think about it..

Its Not about Asylum but a Free Welfare Ticket.

What do SWEDEN and AUSTRALIA have in Common??

YOU GO FIGURE.. ITS NOT CO-INCIDENCE.. ..

[twinqletwinqle]

@NSW2101 Err no. Read up on Refugee Convention. And actually look up what country holds the most refugees.

[edensinyourpants]

@NSW2101 about 3 percent of all asylum seekers that come to australia arrive by boat, inquiries showing that these 3 percent are the poorest and most desperate. Also, i laughed at your suggestion that muslim asylum seekers travel 2 australia 2 blow shit up. the reason they don't stop in malay or indo is because both countries have a poor history of human right abuse (as well as the fact that asylum seekers may be "foreign", but not stupid, australia is much more comfortable) ... racist idiot

[fairkoala]

remembered for this? then shut it down sent them monkeys home to where they belonged. you wanna get in to australia, then apply legally thru the correct process. most unfair to others who apply thru skilled migration.

[grenade0wnyou]

@fairkoala try fill out a form when the house next to you just became incinerated, go rot somewhere.

[edensinyourpants]

@fairkoala do you want some cohesion with that racist bullshit... your clearly a xenophobic sheep with no idea what he's talking about, 75 - 90% of all asylum seekers that arrive in australia are found to legitimate refugees. most of these "monkeys" don't have the option of applying through the correct process... australia is breaking several passages of the UDHR (and other) by doing what they are currently doing. also, change your name, you completely misrepresent what it is to be an Aussie.

[bushpigification]

Fuck off it's racist! how is not allowing a refugee into a country racist? some people dont have a clue what racism means... and screw all the people who live in Australia and call it racism, because the rest of the world thinks we ass holes... as that guy said, "im an imagrant, get in line" thats how you enter a country, not in boat, which is breaking our law, learn some decency.

[jet1231982]

@bushpigification Hi just so you know, it's actually not against the law to enter by boat. It's allowed for in Australia's Migration Act as well as in International Law.  It is long established that it's not illegal to arrive by boat.

Just so you know.

[sdarvell]

@jet1231982 Just so you know, detention is not a punishment for arriving and seeking asylum. It is merely a process. In as much as quarantining a person infected with a dangerous and infectious virus is not a punishment for getting sick. They are both merely processes to ensure public safety.

[jet1231982]

@sdarvell No, sorry this comment is not correct. Mandatory, indefinite detention is not a process - especially where there is no prospect of ever being released (see Al Kateb v Godwin [2004] HCA 37). In Australia it is highly punitive, and aimed at people arriving by boat, despite the non-discrimination clause in the Refugees Convention and the provision for unauthorised arrivals in Australian law. Also, there is no correlation between detention & public safety. That is an illusion.

[jet1231982]

@sdarvell ... including children as young as FIVE years old attempting suicide by hanging, poisoning, slashing their arms with broken glass... Humans reduced to shells of their former selves. The UN has absolutely slammed Australia for its detention practices - both the mandatory / indefinite detention policy AND the shocking conditions in detention centres.

[sdarvell]

@bushpigification The right to seek asylum is granted in the the Universal Declaration of Human Rights and the Convention Relating to the Status of Refugees both of which Australia has signed to. At no stage is there any law opposing or any punishment imposed for seeking asylum. Australia would be violating international law if that were the case.

[Celtic450]

Who cares - the reffos had it easier than the locals!! Air conditioning, 3 square meals, internet!!

Fuck em. These cunts don't belong in our country and have hatred towards Christians. Look how the muslim detainees treated the Christian trainees.

[jet1231982]

@Celtic450

Hi there, I am a young woman who lives with 3 young Muslim refugee guys who are the most hard working, conscientious people I've ever met. They care deeply about their families and they work their butts off to make sure they are contributing meaningfully to Australian society. I'm a Christian and they have nothing but respect for my religious decisions. What a pity you can't do them the same courtesy.

[Celtic450]

@jet1231982 well thats all well and good but I don't want my country to have so many muslims they get a critical mass and change things. Do I have a right to that opinion? Or do we just let in 20 million now? Secondly refugees from what? Which self inflicted war?

[jet1231982]

@Celtic450 of course you have a right to that opinion, but can you also acknowledge that it is so far fetched as never to happen? Do you ever ask yourself how Australian aborigines feel about there being so many white / european migrants that "they get a critical mass and change things"?

Refugees from Afghanistan, Iraq and Sri Lanka face terrible persecution based mainly on their ethnicity. I am happy to provide more information if you are genuinely interested in knowing more.

[Celtic450]

@jet1231982 The aborigines can take it up with the english. Do you REALLY believe that people WANTED to come to Australia in the 1800s? Refugees should stay in their own countries OTHERWISE people in the countries they are running to end up as REFUGEES and have to leave for somewhere else as over crowding crime and welfare fines take their toll and wages are lowered and the cost of everything goes up.

[sdarvell]

@jet1231982 Few people oppose immigration. Nor legitimate refugees. Most people recognise that its our duty to, as a international citizen in good standing, accept legitimate refugees. The fact that refugees are hard working has no basis for the argument. It doesn't matter even if they're a burden (which is not the case). We accept people running from legitimate persecution not taking into consideration what they can contribute. Its a life saving exercise, not a money making one.

[Jeliah78]

I dont think they deserve to be locked up for years at a time. I think they should be given medical checks and background checks and released. To be so ignorant to say they should be sent back or deserve to be locked up is just cruel and not the Aussie way. On your way to work, at work, during your lunch break look around and see all the immigrants that make up our beautiful Country!....But Australia has been doing this despicable shit since the early 1900's. Nothing will ever change. Its sad!

[732CharlesM]

I say preserve Western European/Australian culture. Don't give in to these leftist, bleeding heart politicians and judges who will send our country down the 3rd world gutter like they are doing in Europe. Check out the brusselsjournal(dot)com & learn what a mess multiculturalism and mass immigration has made over there. Islam has invaded Europe & intends to invade Australia as well.

[sdarvell]

Australia has the 2nd highest HDI in the world after more than 40 years of multiculturalism. Multiculturalism does not do harm. After 40 years of multiculturalism, Muslims are still an inconsequential minority. There is no basis for your claim.

[sdarvell]

The issue has nothing to do with muslims. Post here crime stats where the majority of purportrators of assults and rapes in our capital cities are of Muslim origin. In fact muslems make up such a small percentage of our population, they'd have to be a real extremely violent culture in order to outnumber crimes perpertrated by white Australians. Remember, all those Indian bashings that landed Australia in international hot water was perpertrated by gangs of white Australian men.

[sdarvell]

RE the movie, what I would like to know is, does the film pose an alternate course of action for Australia to take? Australia has the right to screen its migrants and ensure its safety. It is perfectly legal to seek asylum via boats, but it is also perfectly legal to screen those people.

[Mayortwilleger]

Your typical asylum seeker is a Muslim fleeing his own Muslim country. Proof that Islam does not provide an environment suitable for human habitation. In other words Islam simply does not work. It cannot be any clearer than that. It simply fails humanity. It fails and always has failed. Islam equals failure.

[bobtingle]

Putting them in detention, however, implies that they have done something ILlegal in entering the country. Screening does not have to involve detention. Most Western countries do not operate this way.

[sdarvell]

Most western countries don't have Australia's level of security proficiency. I don't like the concept of detention for asylum seekers, but how do you stop terrorists or undesirables from applying for asylum and then buggering off once they get to the non-restricted facility they have to be in to await their checks?

The pragmatic solution seems to be to ship them to someone else's refugee camps until they are cleared to enter the country. Or hand operation of the asylum process to the UNHCR.

[sdarvell]

Under the proviso that refugees need to be cleared before being released into Australia, of cause.

[bobtingle]

You don't. You take the risk like most other Western countries, and if people end up running aground, then you take appropriate action at the time. The crime of entering a country without documents is not, in my opinion, tantamount to rape or murder or theft or any of a multitude of crimes that Australian citizens commit every day. Anyone could be a terrorist or an undesirable, whether they are born in Australia or Afghanistan or Somalia or Canada.

[sdarvell]

Every other method of entering the country contains a check. The murderers, rapists, human rights abusers and terrorists would use the open door to enter the country, and then skip the check. Those who know they won't pass the security check will run. You can't ask a society to open its doors to something like that. The check needs to happen, the issue is how to incorporate it into the procedure. It doesn't matter where they're from, they still need to pass the security and other clearances.

[sdarvell]

I often wonder about opposition to detention by asylum seekers. They're not abused, just detained and generally in conditions superior than in their home countries. They're fearing persecution, in fear for their lives. Shouldn't being protected and cared for by Australia for free be enough? If I was running for my life, I'd be happy to just not die. Rather than bothering with the time taken to do security checks, during which I'm housed and fed for free.

[jet1231982]

@sdarvell Hi - yes I agree that a period of detention to make sure of identity, security, medical checks etc is necessary. The problem is that in Australia there is a policy of mandatory, indefinite detention, where an innocent person can be kept in detention for the rest of their life (literally) without ever being accused of a crime.

Also there is a huge body of evidence that there has been terrible abuse in detention centres in recent years. If it was brief and humane detention it'd be ok!

[sdarvell]

@jet1231982 Indefinite detention only applies to people who will not return and are not deemed to be legitimate refugees. I can no see a way to avoid indefinite detention, unless the government forcefully violates the free will of the refugees. RE abuses, they are over dramatised. Australia is an industrialised nation with a rather transparent system of checks and balances. The UN clear our facilities and the red cross monitor actions. An abuse claim in that environment is absolutely specious.

[jet1231982]

@sdarvell, You have the air of someone who knows what they're talking about, but you are definitely misinformed on some things! Many people were detained for 2-6 years and THEN found to be genuine refugees. The prob with mandatory / indefinite detention is that there is no filter.

Abuses in detention are not dramatised. I have been to Villawood, Baxter, Maribyrnong and Broadmeadows detention centres hundreds of times over the last decade, and the things I have seen are shocking.

[Mayortwilleger]

My concern with what 'the World' thinks of me is way below my concern for young white boys to not be bashed and young white girls not be raped by Muslim gands in Sydney. They are not like us, will never be like us and if they get their numbers up enough they will physically end white existance on this landmass known as Australia. It's all pretty simple. I pay no heed to an emotional plea by a rich judge with enough money to avoid the troubles these people bring.

[sdarvell]

That is the stupidest comment ever. Violence in Australia is overwhelmingly perpetrated by white people. Asylum seekers are not 'bashing' white boys or raping white girls. Your objection to asylum seekers is just an attempt to legitimise your irrational racist feelings.

[Mayortwilleger]

Your statistic is wrong. Per captia Muslims bash and rape others at many times the rate for the other way around. Raping white girls is a well travelled right of passage for Muslim boys in Aust. Most does not get reported under fear of more Muslim violence. Undeniable. I care not for the "worlds" opinion of me when the outcome choices are clear. To be or not be bashed. I'm going with not being bashed.

[jet1231982]

@Mayortwilleger This is a deeply offensive comment. I am a girl in my 20s who has lived with muslim guys for the past 18 months and the idea that you think rape of a white girl is a "right (sic) of passage" for them is DISGUSTING.

You are wrong. Flat out. No questions asked.

[Nebelwerfer89]

and why should detention centres be 5 star holiday camps? its called DETENTION CENTRE for 1 reason! they came here the wrong way and will be punished for breaching australias international borders

[Nebelwerfer89]

they dont deserve any respect if they come in the wrong way. shame on you for breaking international law!

[bobtingle]

It is not against international law to seek asylum. This law was created after WWII in response to the genocide of the Jews in Germany, Poland etc. Would you lock up the Jews who were escaping certain death in a concentration camp?

[jet1231982]

@Nebelwerfer89 My goodness it's boring repeating this, but here we go again: it's not illegal to enter by boat without permission, either under australian law (see s36 Migration Act 1958) or international law.

Fact.

[naraganungal]

A typical bleeding heart opinion from a well to do who probably has a never been there or done that perspective. Thank God we're an island and not land bordered in Asia otherwise it would be an avalanche of refugees. All arrivals to Australia must be repelled and sent back to whence they came. Legal migrants are welcome but in a regulated quantity to assist intergration. Why must Australia be the garbage can of the world?

[llam123]

mate so fucking true abide the rules they should be deported back they have caused more damage towards others shooting troops over to cool the situations. bombing trade towers and where the fucking criminals they came here illegally in the first place.

[Kimmyloca0]

Sure people who are legitimate refugees have the right to come to Australia and seek refuge. But that does not mean we should automatically allow them into our communities. They should go through the proper processes within detention centres until they are given refugee status. If they don't like it they can get a free ticket back home, surely if your truly seeking asylum anything would be better than where you came from.

[nunkito]

all you do gooders out there can go get fucked. if the cunts want to come here then come in the right way, otherwise send the cunts back where they come from... this great country will be fucked in 20 years time if they keep letting this shit happen... auntyhatred i totally agree with you... i see you have 2 thumbsdown. that must be a do gooder or a fuckin migrant cunt himself

[bearlikesbeer]

How about we build a cannon, like they have at the circus? We could load the illegals into it, and fire them back over the Timor Sea. As new boats come in, they'll see earlier arrivals being fired back over their heads. Sploosh, splosh, splash! Should send a clear message that entering Australia illegally is simply NOT ON.

[jet1231982]

hi - just to let you know that it's actually not illegal to seek asylum by boat - in international law and australian law. this is a common misconception but it's actually really not correct. sorry to douse your fire.

[WordsOfTruth1]

:) well said.

[AuntyHatred]

I'm sorry... I must be watching the wrong thing.... You see, I thought we were talking about illegal immigrants- you know- umm, criminals- the ones that bring their poor starving children for us to clothe, house, educate, medicate and feed!

I thought we were talking about the immigrants coming here illegally!

I can think of far worse things that could be done with these people- and I feel rotton for the children- no children should be caged- but criminals should. - continued

[AuntyHatred]

They know what they are doing is wrong! They know that travelling here to our shores without permission is illegal- yet they still do it- and they bring their children along for the ride, when they know better!! I dont care what race you are!! Come here through the legal channels and you will be welcomed! Even though I dont think you should be! If not then dont bother!!

[jet1231982]

no sorry aunty hatred - "they know" no such thing. it's not illegal to seek asylum as a boat arrival. there are not legal channels available to people (esp from afghanistan) as there is no Australian consulate presence in kabul. so it's their only choice and it is motivated by unadulterated fear and desparation...

[Rommeljnr]

Check your facts, you will find that more than 95% of those detained for attempting ILLEGAL entry into this country have previously tried through official channels and been refused, hence the reason for the ILLEGAL attempt.

[jet1231982]

I believe you are wrong. can you reveal your source? please note - again - that it is NEVER illegal to arrive in Australia to seek asylum. Regardless of your mode of entry - boat, plane, parachute, floo-powder! This is not a matter of opinion but a matter of law. (There are - of course - people overstaying visas and otherwise acting unlawfully but the question of asylum seekers & refugees is ENTIRELY removed from that, and is what this film is concerned with).

[Rommeljnr]

My source ? try former member of the Royal Australian Navy. There not pennyless vietmanese boat people like the 70's there paying upwards of $10-$15,000 U.S. per person just for the trip from Indonesia.

[jet1231982]

being penniless or otherwise has nothing to do with status as a refugee. just because you can get an amount of money together doesn't mean that you are any less likely to be tortured or killed if you stay at home. many european Jews were very wealthy but that did not make them immune to extermination. How much money would you pay for the opportunity to save your life and that of your family?

[znotty]

you fucking maggot,its scum like you who bring this country down,Go down the street & sprout your hatred you filthy cunt & someone like me will hear it & smack you in the mouth ,your filth.

[AuntyHatred]

There was nothing in either of my posts that was hateful.

It seems that you have a very troubling anger issue, I hope that you can get some help. Seriously, good luck.

[znotty]

They,they,they....bigot!

[bearlikesbeer]

There is nothing bigoted in Aunty's words.  A criminal is a criminal. Go through the proper channels to enter Australia, and you will be treated with respect. I don't give two sh*ts what horrible circumstances motivated these people to attempt illegal entry into Australia. The act is illegal and should be dealt with accordingly. Do harsh economic circumstances and a needy family justify the robbing of banks? Of course not. So why is this any different? Cont...

[znotty]

Refugee you fucking moron REFUGEE.

[bearlikesbeer]

And now it's your turn, Znotty...

You call someone a bigot, but then talk about smacking that WOMAN in the mouth for expressing their views? Think about that for a minute. Aunty has simply put her views across. She didn't attack you, or take a stab at you, or make any inflammatory remarks. Where's all this anger coming from? As for your refugee response, well yes maybe some illegals do qualify for refugee status. Doesn't change the fact their first act on Australia soil was an illegal one.

[jet1231982]

this not correct. not illegal to arrive by boat seeking asylum (in australian law or international law). indefinite incarceration of people not accused of any crime is a massive contravention of international law and australia has been slammed for it on many, many occasions.

[jet1231982]

hi - just to let you know that it's actually not illegal to seek asylum by boat - in international law and australian law. this is a common misconception but it's actually really not correct. ergo, asylum seekers (even boat people) are not criminals. there are no 'proper channels' available to afghans, especially. no embassy in kabul. so no other choice. and possible beheading by taliban is quite different to economic hardship, you might agree...

[quinbrady]

do you really believe this? get a copy of the UNHCR to which the counrty is signatory and read it

[Tikki20]

Aussies and Kiwis are the best people on earth!

Come to Canada while you still can and enjoy a little bit of our hospitality. let us pay you now, so that when our country fucks us over, maybe the good americans and good canadians will have somewhere to go and someone to fight beside.

We are not angry, or war loving people.

Come to our country and let us show you the hospitality you deserve!

Peace, not war.

[youthexplosion1210]

good people. 5*

[donaditu]

keep the wogs out of australia

[FilterSelect]

hahaha, keep the wogs out of australia, written by a nazi canadian!

good thing you're there dude!