shes not judging...shes using an example of what happened to her to say why its wrong...many women who have abortions go through alot of mental trauma, weeks, months or even years after it happens
i bet she is first to admit she is a murderer, and that's why she is saying stop. dud this can't be that hard. and if there was any charges brought up, all the women that wokup and realized it, they would volentier to face thier conciquence. please stop and think on thier conviction.
Innerspace i watched the video, and its obvious he doesn't know the diff between a repentant and an unrepentant sinner - she repented her double abortion sin, and probably won't do it again - gays sin, don't repent, and intend to sin again and again - unrepentant
@megagagnon1 Maybe because the majority of the white population remain in first or second world countries. This gives them the education to make smart decisions. (As in not having 8 babies per family).
Now you know what the christian viewpoint is gonna be. They will say that god 4gives u.
It is interesting tho because if you really feel that doing something is wrong there should b some kind of restitution made.
In the case of taking a life where she is unable 2 do that is it ok to walk around enjoying & living life without having to pay 4 the immoral action you commited?
Your logic is weak... commit sin and you no longer have a right to reveal evil? Everybody does it, and that makes it ok? Right is right, and wrong will always be wrong.
I support abortion but it is murder because the fetus is still a being, regardless of whether it can feel or not. I bet if we took a pregnant dog, took out the little ones and killed them, everyone would go nuts. Reason why I support abortion is because it IS the female's choice, since the little one does not have a choice at all and can't of course.
If she hadn't found God through guilt there could have been a 3rd murdered baby. I'm against abortion, but why is someone that has been through that experience now being judged for trying to detour others from making the same mistakes she did?Guilt is something every human being comes equipped with and this is an example of how to use it in a positive way. If personal guilt can help save lives,so be it. As far as her judging others, maybe it is our own guilt that makes us feel were being judged.
You are right abortion is murder. We all were fetuses one time does that mean you were not a person. Deliberate ending life be it to a person in the womb or to the elderly is murder.
I agree that abortion is murder, but what you said all depends on which definition of 'person' being used...a common dictionary or a law dictionary. In a law dictionary there is a difference between a 'human being' and a 'person.'
if she is catholic, its okay for them.. she goes to the priest, tell him the shit, and she is free of sin after saying 100 words of "mary next time i wont do it fo' sure!". pretty cool, i wish i would be catholic... :X
This OJ woman that you speak of has the right to judge only her actions. All else is her opinion. It appears that her guilt may be eating her alive that she feels she must save the others (babies) from abortion.
The problem I have with this woman is now she's trying to speak from a moral perspective, which she clearly didn't have (according to her). Can OJ give a speech on "thou shalt not kill" (even though he was found not guilty)?
This guy has the argument of a simpleton.. "You did it so you can't tell us not to do it"... Whatever.. Using this "logic" people in prison cannot advocate against crime.. Or a preacher (who has sinned) cannot advocate against sin.. Ridiculous argument.
Can pro-lifers be pro-lifers all the way? Why do pro-lifers go against abortion so much (to the point of murder) and still be so supportive of the death penalty? To me its just a blatant contradiction. Why is the boundary for pro-lifers just conveniently drawn on embryos and fetuses.
I think people are allowed to shift their moral views. Inconsistency is not the same thing as hypocrisy. How would you recommend that she express herself, since she honestly believes her two abortions were murder and she now has to live with the emotional (and perhaps other) consequences of those acts? It's analagous to the West saying to to the south, "Don't use crude oil for development!" It's not fair, but it is a good warning. Is the West being arrogant, or are we starting to learn?
Abortion is an issue only because our society has abandoned Gods Word. God would rather nip this problem in the bud before any abortion could take place. Deuteronomy 22:13-21 says if a man marries a girl and finds her not to be a virgin, then she is to be stoned to death. Notice the girl is to be killed without a concern of whether she might be pregnant. God doesnt want that selfish man stuck raising a baby which wasnt his! The bible god's answer is to kill both the girl and the baby
So, what is the punishment for men? What about the young man who gets 5 or 6 women pregnant by the time he's 25?
Yes, I realize not all men are like that; however, it takes 2 people to have a child. Why should a woman be stuck raising a child when the selfish man doesn't want to stick around?
Bible god is easier on men because he's a dude himself and he understands just how horny men can get (Jesus had a penis after all). Even if a man RAPES a girl, his only punishment is that he must marry her... though this sounds like more of a punishment to the girl.
If a man happens to meet a virgin who is not pledged to be married and rapes her and they are discovered, he shall pay the girls father fifty shekels of silver. He must marry the girl, for he has violated her. [Deut. 22:28-29]
It is important to call out inconsistencies in people. I'm all for that, but then to paint that broad stroke of hypocrisy for anyone in any way similar is quite faulty. You should know better.
With me for instance, I am very pro-life yet my anatomy makes it impossible for me to be what you imply.
i dont need a 'right' to judge others in order to be judgmental. all i need is the genetic moral courage to speak out against things that are wrong. im one of those people who doesnt believe in the invisible man in the sky.(atheist). for years i went a long with this feminist womens right to choose garbage. abortion is a horrible act. it goes to show how evil and selfish we can be and how weak i once was to go along with this liberal filth agenda, and how weak most of you still are...
i don't see it as a false morality, all i said is that it's not up to me. if my girlfriend gets pregnant from a night of fun, i will tell her how i feel about it, but it is ultimately up to her not me, she is the one that has to carry it around for 9 mons. and no, i don't support the war, never have. please to take me for a republican (GOP i should say) or a liberal, my views are not one sided.
The man should only have a say if he is will to take the father responsiblity of the child. If he is a dead beat, abusive, or a rapist than it is her decision and hers alone.
You do not allow for her to change her mind. Yes, she did get two abortions and had pre-marital sex before 23 but that was before she was a born again christian. her statements reflect who she is now not who she was at 23.
you need to look at what is being said, not the person saying it. what is being said is wrong. however, it is wrong on its own account not because she is the one saying it.
so, let me get this straight, just because she is a "born again christian", she has the right to judge others now? i find that to be a big pile of BS! just because you 'find God" doesn't mean you can pass judgment on others. and that's why i have an issue with those that do "find God (just like smokers when they quit, they bug others like me, leave me alone). i myself am pro-life but i'm not going to tell a woman what she can or can't do to her body, it's not right!
before you reply to a post it is wise to actually read what the post says. you are setting up a false premise and then knocking it down while making it seem that i am the one that made the false statement. I never once said that she now has the right to judge others. i said that what she is saying is wrong but not because SHE is saying it. anyone can say what she said and they would still be wrong.
Morality based on religious foundations or even societal foundations are sitting on sand. They change as time do. Judgements are for the Judgers. i prefer to SIN
you make really good point, proteanview. in fact, it's a biblical principle that he who has no sin cast the first stone. in other words, no matter how sinful you think someone else, you are in no place to judge. because everyone has sinned (also biblical principle). good point. GOOD point.
I read somewhere that African-Americans are %33 more like to abort their offsping than other races....i wonder why (not really...i know exactly why)...but I do wonder...is this a good thing...or bad thing?????? FOOD FOR THOUGHT......
a world ruled over by pseudo sciences is a world with out morals.....hey black guy...at one time u were considered 2/3ds human and treated like it in the name of science. is it all right for a scientist to turn around and begin to rethink that and say its wrong? is it all right for a man to sell a slave and begin to realize its wrong and start advocating against it?? your logic is retarded because it states that a person isnt able to realize what is right or wrong after they commit a wrong.
Wouldnt you agree that it is hypocritical? Im sure the slaves would have been pissed too if the same guy who whipped,raped and beat them started running around pontificating the wrongs of slavery.Needless to say they wouldnt have had warm and fuzzies for the guy. People can change their minds all they want to but they have to temper their verocity with understanding since they themselves were once in that same place.When they become judgemental their vehemence is coming from the wrong place.
We have reached a point where few are surprised when a right wing religious leader gets caught in the worst cases of hypocrisy. Thieves don't like it when people steal from them, bullies don't like it when they are bullied. Live by the sword, die by it.
In this womans' mind she has been "forgiven", the slate wiped clean. So she gets no punishment but has a moral right to castigate and condemn people in the same situation she was once in.
The moral ambiguity of these people is quite remarkable but not at all convincing.
It's called power. The ability to exempt oneself from stands adhere to by a general audience. You can do this for anyone literally for all people practice this hypocrisy.
Strawman-your morality =if she cant judge because she has sinned,then those of us that have not sinned ( have not had an abortion or premarital sex) can judge.
abortion is wrong, it's immoral, it's whatever you think it is. that's ok. but here's the thing. you don't have to get an abortion. your friends don't. your family doesn't. but if some heathen liberal god-hating whateveryouwannacallem does, why do you care? tolerance is a two way street. i say NO to tax dollars going to abortion but if someone wants to do it that is THEIR CHOICE, not yours. \
Another thing about the fundamentalist right: they hide behind the traditional definition of marriage as it clearly opposes what homosexual want to achieve, gay marriage. I just wish that same fundamentalist group would also maintain the definition of *human life* (viable - roe v wade) as they clearly do with marriage, since we are trying to maintain the definition of words, and see how that applies hypcrisy against conservatives from it's actual ideology.
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Murder is murder, plain and simple. The person who calls themselves a christian and then has an abortion is wrong, violating God's laws. She is definetly a hypocrite, she and all other's need to reread their bible. Just remember we are not all the same. God will repay.
In this case, however, she had two abortions and then called herself Christian. I'm guessing the same narrow perception applies? Nothing that has to deal with humans is definitive, it's all situational and thus, relative, as far as I'm concerned.
No but it says murder's a sin. And last I checked the dictionary the definition of murder covers abortion. Now let me ask you a question. What the hell kind of an idiot needs religion to tell him that something as egregious as murder is wrong? How dumb does one have to be for that?
Thinking about it this is the perfect argument for opiating the masses with religion and nationalism. If they are so stupid to not instinctively know that murder is wrong then the fucktards need to be 'babysat.'
Do you base your morality on the man-made dictionary, or the divine Bible?
And if you're going to bring in modern medical knowledge then I'm sorry but it's a piece of tissue, not a person.
The only case a Christian could make against abortion is that the Bible says that life begins at conception, the fetus is not a person but it does have a soul and it's therefore murder. But don't bring dictionaries and medicine in, they are not on your side.
No I base my morality on the concepts of natural law and natural rights.
Modern medical knowledge confirms that life begins at conception. If you doubt this go look up what Dr. Jerome Lejeune the guy who discovered the Down's Syndrome chromosome had to say on the topic. Sorry the science is on our side.
Secondly fetal children are persons by definition.
Third saying a fetal child is a "blob of tissue" is an incredibly ignorant thing to say. Just image search abortion if you don't believe me.
Their mental life can make some people react quite predictably in a sick way. Its difficult to describe. Almost like they cant have subjective awarness of themselfs. Difficult to describe on this forum.
Well it's simple really. They are guilty but since no one wants to feel guilty they judge others for the same bad thing they did. Pretty hypocritical I know and the wrong reason to judge others, but the upshot at least is that it's a nice psychological mechanism to maintain proper social controls to prevent others from doing the wrong thing. It's almost like the group regulates itself in a way that way.
Oh, but what abut "potential" life hmm? Think about all the wet dreams and periods through the ages. Those MURDERERS!
I don't see these pro-lifers adopting crack babies! Imagine your own upbringing, with your parents love replaced by resentment towards your very existence. More than likely you would only have one parent, being as nobody wanted you. perhaps no parents, dumpster baby.
So how about this question: Death before awareness or tortured existence? You cannot say unless you lived it...
Well lets not forget that many secularists are against abortion. Even the original text of the hippocratic oath spoke against abortion. " I will not give a lethal drug to anyone if I am asked, nor will I advise such a plan; and similarly I will not give a woman a pessary to cause an abortion. "-Hippocratic Oath. With that said you cannot protect liberty if you don't protect life.
proteanview might be the best channel on youtube. The questions and statements are rather simple but are powerful, make a good point, and are extremely thought provoking.
What a woman does with her body is her business as far as I'm concerned. But when she starts calling BS on others for the same controversial things she did herself, that is indeed hypocrisy based on fact. We need more people like protean to call out these moral backstabbers, lest we allow the corrupt PACs and lobbyists to continue using issues like abortion to siphon political power and exert twisted underhanded influence on our government and the people.
recognized as people who commited a terrible act except in their case an uninformed act usually. They shoul dbe forgiven and their redeption should be embraced. I don't know but it seem to me that as humans we will make mistakes but it is how we deal with those mistakes that really matters. Sorry...just a comment from a humanist. great vids tho man love them because they are thought provoking.
The inability to distinguish between the genuinely redeemed and the falsely redeemed, aside from a reversion to the previous actions that had him or her committed to prison, makes it difficult to call the person a hypocrite. In the case that they revert to their previous actions, one can say with certainty that the person was a hypocrite. On the other hand, even without reverting to previous actions, unless they maintain that virtuous character for years, one cannot say with certainty.
As to abortion..Quickly defining an act, quickly defining anything, for that matter, I think is inappropriate. Everything tends to be at least moderately complex, it's why our words have more than one definition, really.
At any rate, if the lady in question was irresponsible enough to get impregnated prior to being ready to care for the child, the chances of her caring for it properly are low. If a lady was impregnated from rape, she would probably despise the child, seeing her rapist in it.
Let me ask you a question so if someone commits murderand then goes to prison....and finds God or whatevercauses himtorealize the evil of his actions and he commits himself to helping others keep from the mistakes he made...is this hypocrisy? Is it not genuine? can he not speak as someone who knows? Or is it convenient. I love your videos but I think you mayhave missed your mark here. I believe in redemption. I don not beleive in abortion, but those but those who have abortions should be
"She is projecting her hatred for herself who she thinks is a baby killer outward."
And the next logical question to ask then is why she hates herself. Is it because of SOMETHING SHE DID perhaps??? And if so why would that something make her feel guilt?
ya thats what for me gets it. your actually killing something that would be a human. that is far worse then anything i have ever done. I would have nothing to do with this. I would stop it if i could. I cant though so i ignore it and have nothing to do with it.
also it would be more compared to being taught your whole life murder is ok then you kill 2 people. I would blame that society. Just a point that your analogy is invalid. Regardless i havent said nor do i belive abortion is murder.
Excellent expose of the timely and relative morality of those who wish to impose their morality on others. I'm ambiguous towards some abortion practices. In the UK a woman had a late term abortion because the child had a hare lip. For me that's an abortion on cosmetic grounds and I know many people will disagree with me on this but I think that's insufficient excuse. However abortion must remain ultimately the choice of the woman involved it's her body after all.
And im nothing like that stereotype you used. How would you like it if i was like. Oh ya have you noticed how the people who always ask you for a dollar are black? Black peole are fundamentalist gansters so to them asking for a dollar is worse then a snitch. So by their own reasoning they have snitched 2 times. See you make no sense. Really.
Seriously whats the problem here? Monkeys cant control themselves? I honestly couldnt get off knowing that i am most likely initiating the cycle of life and we are just going to vacum it out later. Big turn off for me. Regardless morality is subjective. For example i find it immoral to lie to everyone where you are going then to go sneak around peoples houses at night. No victim to the crime but from my point of view its immoral. Abortion to me is a lot more immoral then the latter.
I honestly think anyone who is so fucking stupid should have an abortion lest they make copies of themselves. Then we will need government funded abortions for people who apperently didnt understand life science in grade school. Ya haveing sex makes babies. useing birth control is a choice to risk making a baby. So whats the problem unless your stupid?
Let me qualify by saying, I'm definitely unequivocally pro-choice.
But you can sugar coat it all you want, abortion IS murder. You terminate a life, that's murder by definition. But I believe there are varying degrees of life and I believe there are varying degrees of murder. Some are more acceptable than others. But it's still murder.
While I don't agree, I have to wonder, what degree of murder do you place abortion under? Acceptable? Or is it relative to the situation as, personally, I believe it should be?
Both acceptable & relative to the situation, yes. I'm not a proponent of late term abortion, if that's what i led you to believe. Once a fetus quickly approaches/reaches a point they can live outside the mother's womb, I don't believe it's right or moral to end that life merely for birth control purposes. Maybe I should have qualified my statement better. My only point was no matter when you do it, it IS murder. But just because its acceptable doesn't mean it should be celebrated or encouraged.
If it can live outside the womb, wouldn't it be ready or extremely close to ready, for delivery? If the person in question didn't get an abortion before then..Well, that just adds to the irresponsibility of the person.
On a less serious note, by the logic of your last two sentences, we shouldn't celebrate military victories. (It's a given that most don't encourage war.)
Many babies are born months prematurely and survive...which is my point. If there's *any* possibility a fetus could survive on it's own, it's too late to abort merely for birth control reasons. Unwanted pregnancies should be terminated as early as possible, much better if prevented in the first place. The only point of my statement was even if you-re Pro-Choice, you have to acknowledge abortion is murder. It's alive, you abort/kill it, so it's murder. Pro-Choicers must deal with that.
By celebrating, I don't mean having an abortion party. I mean those groups that appear to relish in the abortion cause more as an act than a freedom of choice. We need to spend far more energy (celebrating) preventing unwanted pregnancies than whether we have the right to end them or not. Choice is important but why not stop the need of the having to make the choice in the first place?
I'm not arguing a legal definition or attempting to prosecute in a court of law. I'm arguing the base definition of a word, Murder: to kill intentionally. Its alive, its aborted, wasnt it killed intentionally by the actions of another? Yep, fine w/ me. Then basely yes, its murder. Whats the big freakin semantic deal? Probably because theres guilt closely associated with the word murder. People should feel bad when anything dies at their hands, even necessarily. Life should be more respected.
No different than a planned miscarriage is it? Yeah let's have a "planned car accident" while were at it as well. Far from murder that is. Afterall It's no different than a planned train wreck.
Selective morality is viewed as negative..Due to hypocrisy..Yet at the same time..Vindicated during times in which one is under attack, the hypocrisy is ignored in favor of defense of oneself, and selective morality viewed then as a necessity. In similar circumstances, if one views the irresponsible young lady's child as an attack on society due to her most likely not properly caring for it, then the abortion would be in defense of society. Viewed in this way, the hypocrisy could be ignored..
..And the selective morality as a necessity. Would this be such a wrong perspective to maintain in regards to the entire "issue"?
Ignoring that, the entire claim that the woman shouldn't have a right to do as she pleases with specimens contained within her anatomy, is a bit...Controlling, I think. A strange way of viewing it just occurred to me; it is almost akin to forcing a person to keep a tumor within them, despite its hazardous and progressive growth.
the bible barely ever mentions homosexuality and when it does, it's just a passing reference, yet gay marriage is much more unforgivable than working on sunday, which is a commandment, you don't see fundies going around saying that working on sunday should be made illegal. you are completely correct many christians are completely selective with their application of biblical morality.
Well, I have never had an abortion, but I can kinda relate to that lady. I have done things when I was younger that I am 100% opposed to now and ashamed of. Some people call it hypocrisy, I call it maturity, personal growth, or education. Everybody goes through changes maybe she did to.
No it doesn't and besides isn't this exactly what fetal rights opponents complain about? -that the pro-life side is injecting religion into the debate? Then why are you doing precisely that?
What I don't understand is why Christians are so against gays. I would think they would love the gays, I mean really who has less abortions than the gays?
Fucking idiot, I oppose abortion because I don't like infants getting hacked to pieces by their good for nothing parents not for some religious "jesus freak" reason. It's a little something called "human decency" something many pro-aborts don't have.
Now, I am opposed to abortion for human rights -not religious- reasons, but my vehemence about it stems from my first experience with the issue when I was about two and I asked my parents what the word meant.
Now let's say that everyone who is this vehement about abortion is like the lady in the video. We all know that human beings are imperfect and so don't live up to perfect ideals. But these ideals need imposition for people to behave. Logically then you might need hypocrites to impose them.
Just curious JohananRaatz, at what point during a pregnancy do you consider the creation of a person who is entitled to 'human rights'?
If its at conception, then taking the birth control pill is murder, as it prevents the 'human' from being able to adhere to the uterine wall.
If attaching to the uterine wall makes one a 'person', then all pregnant women would, by law, be required to be admitted to emergency care. 1/3 of fetus never make it past this point, so these 'humans' are in danger.
I wish you could bress a button and all abortions of healthy babies could be reversed. I would gladly sacrifice every pro abortion person on the planet to bring them back.
Which ones? The natural rights or synthetic rights? Remember the 'right to choose' is just a synthetic right or else it wouldn't be socially fabricated. Even many pro-choicers will admit that the right to choose is just a societal construct.
Would you take care of the brain dead babies as well? Some abortions were for those and it takes a bit of money to put a brain dead baby on life support.
Extremely minute percentage of abortions are for Brain dead babies, and hose tragedies (medical emergancies) aren't even considered when calculating abortion statistics.
If you read my comment I clearly say "Healthy Babies". Im sick of the cavalier attitude about life. Its turned into some perverted game to see how many babies we can stack on the pile. This goes against natural law. We accept it only because society teaches us The right for a woman to choose. We would naturally know its wrong. One day you will realize its wrong. Im not saying it should be illegal. But out of respect for the baby you should acknowledge the life they gave up.
You did say "Healthy Babies". I am corrected. Sorry. I guess I should read and comment while sleepy. I read it (disregarding the healthy) and remembered a co-worker that had some tests done and the doctor diagnosed the fetus with a problem like the one I stated. I didn't even see the healthy part. However, I do not think that most people would want to support those healthy babies either. Once born, people care less. Once those babies are teenagers they care even less...
Great video....i agree with you....look at that pastor (ted haggard)he said on many occasions that being gay was a disease then we found out not only does he like men he likes drugs too.
why do some people concider abortion to be killing a child when a woman can carry a fetus for 7months and still have a misscarage but its not concidered a baby and you cant have a funeral for it.
You can live 40 years and drop dead from a heart attack too. This should not be the standard. It's better to say it's taking a life but it's better than the alternative. Like harm to mom, poor family, Disease, over population, etc. Lets be honest and stop trying to say its good. I see abortion as a necessary evil like debt. If never taught it was bad I would know instinctively. How could anyone argue with a womans right to choose? It comes down to choosing the lesser of two evils.
Im not pro or anti abortion. I do find it morally wrong to kill babies but understand the argument on both sides. When you are young you want the option to keep you from the financial obligation. When you are older you understand these are people and wonder who they could have been. Ultimately I think this is about population control and eugenics. Abortion kills more Latinos and Blacks than any other race. Does Planned Parenthood consider these races undesirable?
I totally agree with you. In my opinion, you have to tailor your morals to yourself, not tailor other people to your morals. What you chose to do and the reasons for it cannot be placed on another person. If you don't agree with abortion, don't have one. Don't like gay marriage? Don't have one. Also, when someone is vehemently against something, it's because they're hiding something quite often. Just like hating on gay people because you can't come to terms with your own homosexuality.
I don't agree with you. Firstly, you accuse hypocricy and then commit it. Secondly, baby killing is evil. Just as any killing is evil. Be it for pleasure, food, power or enjoyment. Thirdly, intelligent decision making should have been exercised much earlier than this.
Regardless, I will never bring myself to prevent someone having an abortion and will vote pro-choice. Also, I am not religious or spiritual. I just thought you should know that you're evil.
if this woman really thinks abortion is comparable to murder she should denounce herself and ask to be given a life sentence for killing two human beings
Indeed. Though the fact that one woman doesn't act does not mean that it is not murder. Be careful what you wish for should she actually take your offer, what would become of the other baby killers that you protect?
Mock hypocricy isn't as innovative or successful as you may think.
Two things. One, abortion is legal in America, so no need for her to pay any debt to society by doing time in prison. Two, perhaps she has evolved in her attitude toward abortions. People can change. And btw, Christians are forgiven ;o)
hey dude I love your point here like yeah I don't think that it's right that she had two abortions. In fact I think it's terrible but I think one thing that you didn't consider is that maybe she's changed. Maybe this lady in question is growing and learning from her mistakes..anyways I just wanted to point that out other than that I totally agree with you abortion is terrible =)
Man Proteanview, why would you care to connect issues with the speakers of the issues? Why on earth would the truths of an issue have anything at all to do with who speaks them or who doesn't speak them? It's just an irrelevant distraction. It's a complete fallacy to say that just because the person taking a stance is a hypocrite means that the stance is wrong or false. All this says is that the person is a hypocrite, not that his/her stance is wrong.
wow, if i could make my hair do that...
lygophile 1 year ago
shes not judging...shes using an example of what happened to her to say why its wrong...many women who have abortions go through alot of mental trauma, weeks, months or even years after it happens
koolaidman099 1 year ago
i bet she is first to admit she is a murderer, and that's why she is saying stop. dud this can't be that hard. and if there was any charges brought up, all the women that wokup and realized it, they would volentier to face thier conciquence. please stop and think on thier conviction.
jhweh2007 1 year ago
Innerspace i watched the video, and its obvious he doesn't know the diff between a repentant and an unrepentant sinner - she repented her double abortion sin, and probably won't do it again - gays sin, don't repent, and intend to sin again and again - unrepentant
megagagnon1 2 years ago
the end result is the same - no progeny
megagagnon1 2 years ago
not having children is killing your race - don't pretend gay sex and abortion is so different
megagagnon1 2 years ago
@megagagnon1 Killing our race? All 6 billion of us? Soon to be 10 billion in the near future?
leslucas 1 year ago
@leslucas whites are declining worldwide in absolute numbers - the only race that's declining in number.
megagagnon1 1 year ago
@megagagnon1 Maybe because the majority of the white population remain in first or second world countries. This gives them the education to make smart decisions. (As in not having 8 babies per family).
leslucas 1 year ago
@leslucas Or maybe they're just smarter.
megagagnon1 1 year ago
Another thought provoking vid.
Now you know what the christian viewpoint is gonna be. They will say that god 4gives u.
It is interesting tho because if you really feel that doing something is wrong there should b some kind of restitution made.
In the case of taking a life where she is unable 2 do that is it ok to walk around enjoying & living life without having to pay 4 the immoral action you commited?
Thanks again 4 the perspective proteanview!
I'm friggin' lovin' these vids you post up
frigginguest 2 years ago
Your logic is weak... commit sin and you no longer have a right to reveal evil? Everybody does it, and that makes it ok? Right is right, and wrong will always be wrong.
GrimOne81 2 years ago
Right on man, great point.
wolf44mag 2 years ago
who are you talking about?
Humanherring 2 years ago
Wow..
The vid isn't about abortion yet ppl on both sides insist its discussion.
Efferts 2 years ago 2
I support abortion but it is murder because the fetus is still a being, regardless of whether it can feel or not. I bet if we took a pregnant dog, took out the little ones and killed them, everyone would go nuts. Reason why I support abortion is because it IS the female's choice, since the little one does not have a choice at all and can't of course.
HammandClov 2 years ago
If she hadn't found God through guilt there could have been a 3rd murdered baby. I'm against abortion, but why is someone that has been through that experience now being judged for trying to detour others from making the same mistakes she did?Guilt is something every human being comes equipped with and this is an example of how to use it in a positive way. If personal guilt can help save lives,so be it. As far as her judging others, maybe it is our own guilt that makes us feel were being judged.
WashingtonWatchdog 2 years ago
You are right abortion is murder. We all were fetuses one time does that mean you were not a person. Deliberate ending life be it to a person in the womb or to the elderly is murder.
starlight1946 2 years ago
starlight1946
I agree that abortion is murder, but what you said all depends on which definition of 'person' being used...a common dictionary or a law dictionary. In a law dictionary there is a difference between a 'human being' and a 'person.'
eddie070878 2 years ago
if she is catholic, its okay for them.. she goes to the priest, tell him the shit, and she is free of sin after saying 100 words of "mary next time i wont do it fo' sure!". pretty cool, i wish i would be catholic... :X
schmuddelfinger 2 years ago
This OJ woman that you speak of has the right to judge only her actions. All else is her opinion. It appears that her guilt may be eating her alive that she feels she must save the others (babies) from abortion.
The problem I have with this woman is now she's trying to speak from a moral perspective, which she clearly didn't have (according to her). Can OJ give a speech on "thou shalt not kill" (even though he was found not guilty)?
brrtown 2 years ago
This guy has the argument of a simpleton.. "You did it so you can't tell us not to do it"... Whatever.. Using this "logic" people in prison cannot advocate against crime.. Or a preacher (who has sinned) cannot advocate against sin.. Ridiculous argument.
bosarge82 2 years ago
Can pro-lifers be pro-lifers all the way? Why do pro-lifers go against abortion so much (to the point of murder) and still be so supportive of the death penalty? To me its just a blatant contradiction. Why is the boundary for pro-lifers just conveniently drawn on embryos and fetuses.
skchen831 2 years ago
Great argument. 5.
She is probably also pro death penalty.
7jerryv7 2 years ago
owned, great vid
seancris11 2 years ago
I think people are allowed to shift their moral views. Inconsistency is not the same thing as hypocrisy. How would you recommend that she express herself, since she honestly believes her two abortions were murder and she now has to live with the emotional (and perhaps other) consequences of those acts? It's analagous to the West saying to to the south, "Don't use crude oil for development!" It's not fair, but it is a good warning. Is the West being arrogant, or are we starting to learn?
Kharisma1980 2 years ago 2
fantastic vid!
Sean2046 2 years ago
That's one of the reason's we as humans aren't actually supposed to judge other people. No one is perfect, and everyone has done something wrong.
But we as a society have to be able to punish violators of are norms; as well as encourage the proper and successful behavior.
Its a complex issue worthy of debate.
StuffedAnimalAdvisor 2 years ago
Let he who is without sin cast the first stone
525bimmer 2 years ago
Let no one cast a stone at all for such behaviours are quite literally of the stone age.
justinatorator 2 years ago
Abortion is an issue only because our society has abandoned Gods Word. God would rather nip this problem in the bud before any abortion could take place. Deuteronomy 22:13-21 says if a man marries a girl and finds her not to be a virgin, then she is to be stoned to death. Notice the girl is to be killed without a concern of whether she might be pregnant. God doesnt want that selfish man stuck raising a baby which wasnt his! The bible god's answer is to kill both the girl and the baby
exodus21v20 2 years ago
So, what is the punishment for men? What about the young man who gets 5 or 6 women pregnant by the time he's 25?
Yes, I realize not all men are like that; however, it takes 2 people to have a child. Why should a woman be stuck raising a child when the selfish man doesn't want to stick around?
clovergirl22 2 years ago
Bible god is easier on men because he's a dude himself and he understands just how horny men can get (Jesus had a penis after all). Even if a man RAPES a girl, his only punishment is that he must marry her... though this sounds like more of a punishment to the girl.
If a man happens to meet a virgin who is not pledged to be married and rapes her and they are discovered, he shall pay the girls father fifty shekels of silver. He must marry the girl, for he has violated her. [Deut. 22:28-29]
exodus21v20 2 years ago
Extremists like you are...beyond words.
Thank you for this post though. It triggered a nice thought experiment for my next paper.
irrationallyconfused 2 years ago
I don't like the insinuations in this video.
It is important to call out inconsistencies in people. I'm all for that, but then to paint that broad stroke of hypocrisy for anyone in any way similar is quite faulty. You should know better.
With me for instance, I am very pro-life yet my anatomy makes it impossible for me to be what you imply.
prophetofdoom 2 years ago
i dont need a 'right' to judge others in order to be judgmental. all i need is the genetic moral courage to speak out against things that are wrong. im one of those people who doesnt believe in the invisible man in the sky.(atheist). for years i went a long with this feminist womens right to choose garbage. abortion is a horrible act. it goes to show how evil and selfish we can be and how weak i once was to go along with this liberal filth agenda, and how weak most of you still are...
theonlymethod 2 years ago
"genetic moral courage"? Please explain.
capitalmindz 2 years ago
since the majority of abortions are on minorities and poor people, I have no problem with them
super8hogan 2 years ago
pro-life is false morality. It is ok to support war and other ways corpatism has killed people as long asyou are against abortion.
biguy617 2 years ago
i don't see it as a false morality, all i said is that it's not up to me. if my girlfriend gets pregnant from a night of fun, i will tell her how i feel about it, but it is ultimately up to her not me, she is the one that has to carry it around for 9 mons. and no, i don't support the war, never have. please to take me for a republican (GOP i should say) or a liberal, my views are not one sided.
clutch0423 2 years ago
The man should only have a say if he is will to take the father responsiblity of the child. If he is a dead beat, abusive, or a rapist than it is her decision and hers alone.
biguy617 2 years ago
Great post!
clutch0423 2 years ago
You do not allow for her to change her mind. Yes, she did get two abortions and had pre-marital sex before 23 but that was before she was a born again christian. her statements reflect who she is now not who she was at 23.
you need to look at what is being said, not the person saying it. what is being said is wrong. however, it is wrong on its own account not because she is the one saying it.
pechorin1841 2 years ago
so, let me get this straight, just because she is a "born again christian", she has the right to judge others now? i find that to be a big pile of BS! just because you 'find God" doesn't mean you can pass judgment on others. and that's why i have an issue with those that do "find God (just like smokers when they quit, they bug others like me, leave me alone). i myself am pro-life but i'm not going to tell a woman what she can or can't do to her body, it's not right!
clutch0423 2 years ago
before you reply to a post it is wise to actually read what the post says. you are setting up a false premise and then knocking it down while making it seem that i am the one that made the false statement. I never once said that she now has the right to judge others. i said that what she is saying is wrong but not because SHE is saying it. anyone can say what she said and they would still be wrong.
pechorin1841 2 years ago
well maybe it's "wise" to be more clear about what you mean. if i took it wrong i appologise, just thought i would throw in my 2 bits.
clutch0423 2 years ago
Morality based on religious foundations or even societal foundations are sitting on sand. They change as time do. Judgements are for the Judgers. i prefer to SIN
Starboyaries 2 years ago
you make really good point, proteanview. in fact, it's a biblical principle that he who has no sin cast the first stone. in other words, no matter how sinful you think someone else, you are in no place to judge. because everyone has sinned (also biblical principle). good point. GOOD point.
breezyspreezy 2 years ago
I read somewhere that African-Americans are %33 more like to abort their offsping than other races....i wonder why (not really...i know exactly why)...but I do wonder...is this a good thing...or bad thing?????? FOOD FOR THOUGHT......
XXSOLOKASTXX 2 years ago
yep...also the people who quit smoking are the biggest pain in the ass anti-smokers... hypocrits
vaiserious 2 years ago
umm not really..im pretty sure we dont smoke
Pr4dat0r 2 years ago
a world ruled over by pseudo sciences is a world with out morals.....hey black guy...at one time u were considered 2/3ds human and treated like it in the name of science. is it all right for a scientist to turn around and begin to rethink that and say its wrong? is it all right for a man to sell a slave and begin to realize its wrong and start advocating against it?? your logic is retarded because it states that a person isnt able to realize what is right or wrong after they commit a wrong.
WesternRevolutions 2 years ago
Wouldnt you agree that it is hypocritical? Im sure the slaves would have been pissed too if the same guy who whipped,raped and beat them started running around pontificating the wrongs of slavery.Needless to say they wouldnt have had warm and fuzzies for the guy. People can change their minds all they want to but they have to temper their verocity with understanding since they themselves were once in that same place.When they become judgemental their vehemence is coming from the wrong place.
curlmebella 2 years ago
We have reached a point where few are surprised when a right wing religious leader gets caught in the worst cases of hypocrisy. Thieves don't like it when people steal from them, bullies don't like it when they are bullied. Live by the sword, die by it.
scotsmanlerxt 2 years ago
She's basically a mixed "nut."
mixedlady65 2 years ago
Please read "Freakonomics"
jwil2570 2 years ago
Well.. I;ll be danged a good old fashioned hypocrite.. kinda goes along with religions alot of times.
rudican 2 years ago
In this womans' mind she has been "forgiven", the slate wiped clean. So she gets no punishment but has a moral right to castigate and condemn people in the same situation she was once in.
The moral ambiguity of these people is quite remarkable but not at all convincing.
macnutz 2 years ago
see 'Rankism'
ble86n 2 years ago
It's called power. The ability to exempt oneself from stands adhere to by a general audience. You can do this for anyone literally for all people practice this hypocrisy.
ocelot814 2 years ago
Abortion is not a sin. It says thou shalt not kill, you must not murder, but it doesn't specifically focus on abortion.
HaleyMary 2 years ago
it just doesn't surprise me anymore. the hypocrisy is hilarious.
sbmillionair 2 years ago
Ok Proteanview I have two questions.
First of all, DESPITE THE FACT that she is a hypocrite is she right or wrong?
Secondly, how is her hypocrisy logically relevant to her being right or wrong?
JohananRaatz 2 years ago
Strawman-your morality =if she cant judge because she has sinned,then those of us that have not sinned ( have not had an abortion or premarital sex) can judge.
canditaylor68 2 years ago
abortion is wrong, it's immoral, it's whatever you think it is. that's ok. but here's the thing. you don't have to get an abortion. your friends don't. your family doesn't. but if some heathen liberal god-hating whateveryouwannacallem does, why do you care? tolerance is a two way street. i say NO to tax dollars going to abortion but if someone wants to do it that is THEIR CHOICE, not yours. \
asphyxiafeeling 2 years ago
Another thing about the fundamentalist right: they hide behind the traditional definition of marriage as it clearly opposes what homosexual want to achieve, gay marriage. I just wish that same fundamentalist group would also maintain the definition of *human life* (viable - roe v wade) as they clearly do with marriage, since we are trying to maintain the definition of words, and see how that applies hypcrisy against conservatives from it's actual ideology.
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jonahda0mega 2 years ago
Murder is murder, plain and simple. The person who calls themselves a christian and then has an abortion is wrong, violating God's laws. She is definetly a hypocrite, she and all other's need to reread their bible. Just remember we are not all the same. God will repay.
MrPsalm141 2 years ago
In this case, however, she had two abortions and then called herself Christian. I'm guessing the same narrow perception applies? Nothing that has to deal with humans is definitive, it's all situational and thus, relative, as far as I'm concerned.
Axualsetto 2 years ago
I don't think your god exists.
So I will not follow his laws.
justinatorator 2 years ago
The Bible doesn't say that abortion is a sin.
Mastikator 2 years ago
No but it says murder's a sin. And last I checked the dictionary the definition of murder covers abortion. Now let me ask you a question. What the hell kind of an idiot needs religion to tell him that something as egregious as murder is wrong? How dumb does one have to be for that?
Thinking about it this is the perfect argument for opiating the masses with religion and nationalism. If they are so stupid to not instinctively know that murder is wrong then the fucktards need to be 'babysat.'
JohananRaatz 2 years ago
The Bible doesn't say that abortion is murder.
Mastikator 2 years ago
OH REALLY, YA THINK?!! I didn't say it did. I said the dictionary definition did. (at least when combined with modern medical knowledge)
JohananRaatz 2 years ago
Do you base your morality on the man-made dictionary, or the divine Bible?
And if you're going to bring in modern medical knowledge then I'm sorry but it's a piece of tissue, not a person.
The only case a Christian could make against abortion is that the Bible says that life begins at conception, the fetus is not a person but it does have a soul and it's therefore murder. But don't bring dictionaries and medicine in, they are not on your side.
Mastikator 2 years ago
No I base my morality on the concepts of natural law and natural rights.
Modern medical knowledge confirms that life begins at conception. If you doubt this go look up what Dr. Jerome Lejeune the guy who discovered the Down's Syndrome chromosome had to say on the topic. Sorry the science is on our side.
Secondly fetal children are persons by definition.
Third saying a fetal child is a "blob of tissue" is an incredibly ignorant thing to say. Just image search abortion if you don't believe me.
JohananRaatz 2 years ago
Their mental life can make some people react quite predictably in a sick way. Its difficult to describe. Almost like they cant have subjective awarness of themselfs. Difficult to describe on this forum.
AEVautomatic 2 years ago
Well it's simple really. They are guilty but since no one wants to feel guilty they judge others for the same bad thing they did. Pretty hypocritical I know and the wrong reason to judge others, but the upshot at least is that it's a nice psychological mechanism to maintain proper social controls to prevent others from doing the wrong thing. It's almost like the group regulates itself in a way that way.
JohananRaatz 2 years ago
Oh, but what abut "potential" life hmm? Think about all the wet dreams and periods through the ages. Those MURDERERS!
I don't see these pro-lifers adopting crack babies! Imagine your own upbringing, with your parents love replaced by resentment towards your very existence. More than likely you would only have one parent, being as nobody wanted you. perhaps no parents, dumpster baby.
So how about this question: Death before awareness or tortured existence? You cannot say unless you lived it...
omanafire 2 years ago
Well lets not forget that many secularists are against abortion. Even the original text of the hippocratic oath spoke against abortion. " I will not give a lethal drug to anyone if I am asked, nor will I advise such a plan; and similarly I will not give a woman a pessary to cause an abortion. "-Hippocratic Oath. With that said you cannot protect liberty if you don't protect life.
xxmonickkkkaxx 2 years ago
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kuhkoowee 2 years ago
proteanview might be the best channel on youtube. The questions and statements are rather simple but are powerful, make a good point, and are extremely thought provoking.
Beefstew2011 2 years ago
So true.
jane5457 2 years ago
Champion video from a champion person.
Peace PV.
logicaust 2 years ago
Couldn't agree more.
Klavictus 2 years ago
What a woman does with her body is her business as far as I'm concerned. But when she starts calling BS on others for the same controversial things she did herself, that is indeed hypocrisy based on fact. We need more people like protean to call out these moral backstabbers, lest we allow the corrupt PACs and lobbyists to continue using issues like abortion to siphon political power and exert twisted underhanded influence on our government and the people.
Hylanvahr 2 years ago
this seriously can get a person thinking... good points.
writerification 2 years ago
People need to stop worring about others and take care of themselves.
EDKsurly 2 years ago
You got a point...
TheGriot2008 2 years ago
abortion as is, 3 to 4 weeks old is okay if u made a sexual mistake or been raped. After that I agree with ya
maxntalk 2 years ago
true that, dawg
Sav3TheWorld 2 years ago
recognized as people who commited a terrible act except in their case an uninformed act usually. They shoul dbe forgiven and their redeption should be embraced. I don't know but it seem to me that as humans we will make mistakes but it is how we deal with those mistakes that really matters. Sorry...just a comment from a humanist. great vids tho man love them because they are thought provoking.
pieceomeat 2 years ago
The inability to distinguish between the genuinely redeemed and the falsely redeemed, aside from a reversion to the previous actions that had him or her committed to prison, makes it difficult to call the person a hypocrite. In the case that they revert to their previous actions, one can say with certainty that the person was a hypocrite. On the other hand, even without reverting to previous actions, unless they maintain that virtuous character for years, one cannot say with certainty.
Axualsetto 2 years ago
As to abortion..Quickly defining an act, quickly defining anything, for that matter, I think is inappropriate. Everything tends to be at least moderately complex, it's why our words have more than one definition, really.
At any rate, if the lady in question was irresponsible enough to get impregnated prior to being ready to care for the child, the chances of her caring for it properly are low. If a lady was impregnated from rape, she would probably despise the child, seeing her rapist in it.
Axualsetto 2 years ago
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Axualsetto 2 years ago
Let me ask you a question so if someone commits murderand then goes to prison....and finds God or whatevercauses himtorealize the evil of his actions and he commits himself to helping others keep from the mistakes he made...is this hypocrisy? Is it not genuine? can he not speak as someone who knows? Or is it convenient. I love your videos but I think you mayhave missed your mark here. I believe in redemption. I don not beleive in abortion, but those but those who have abortions should be
pieceomeat 2 years ago
Be that as it may, it's still murder.
kmatt125 2 years ago
and for phyco analysis. She is projecting her hatred for herself who she thinks is a baby killer outward.
AEVautomatic 2 years ago
Ok,
"She is projecting her hatred for herself who she thinks is a baby killer outward."
And the next logical question to ask then is why she hates herself. Is it because of SOMETHING SHE DID perhaps??? And if so why would that something make her feel guilt?
JohananRaatz 2 years ago
people can be crazy man.
AEVautomatic 2 years ago
Indeed.
JohananRaatz 2 years ago
ya thats what for me gets it. your actually killing something that would be a human. that is far worse then anything i have ever done. I would have nothing to do with this. I would stop it if i could. I cant though so i ignore it and have nothing to do with it.
AEVautomatic 2 years ago
also it would be more compared to being taught your whole life murder is ok then you kill 2 people. I would blame that society. Just a point that your analogy is invalid. Regardless i havent said nor do i belive abortion is murder.
AEVautomatic 2 years ago
Excellent expose of the timely and relative morality of those who wish to impose their morality on others. I'm ambiguous towards some abortion practices. In the UK a woman had a late term abortion because the child had a hare lip. For me that's an abortion on cosmetic grounds and I know many people will disagree with me on this but I think that's insufficient excuse. However abortion must remain ultimately the choice of the woman involved it's her body after all.
falchion49 2 years ago
And im nothing like that stereotype you used. How would you like it if i was like. Oh ya have you noticed how the people who always ask you for a dollar are black? Black peole are fundamentalist gansters so to them asking for a dollar is worse then a snitch. So by their own reasoning they have snitched 2 times. See you make no sense. Really.
AEVautomatic 2 years ago
Seriously whats the problem here? Monkeys cant control themselves? I honestly couldnt get off knowing that i am most likely initiating the cycle of life and we are just going to vacum it out later. Big turn off for me. Regardless morality is subjective. For example i find it immoral to lie to everyone where you are going then to go sneak around peoples houses at night. No victim to the crime but from my point of view its immoral. Abortion to me is a lot more immoral then the latter.
AEVautomatic 2 years ago
I honestly think anyone who is so fucking stupid should have an abortion lest they make copies of themselves. Then we will need government funded abortions for people who apperently didnt understand life science in grade school. Ya haveing sex makes babies. useing birth control is a choice to risk making a baby. So whats the problem unless your stupid?
AEVautomatic 2 years ago
Let me qualify by saying, I'm definitely unequivocally pro-choice.
But you can sugar coat it all you want, abortion IS murder. You terminate a life, that's murder by definition. But I believe there are varying degrees of life and I believe there are varying degrees of murder. Some are more acceptable than others. But it's still murder.
Lurple 2 years ago
While I don't agree, I have to wonder, what degree of murder do you place abortion under? Acceptable? Or is it relative to the situation as, personally, I believe it should be?
Axualsetto 2 years ago
Both acceptable & relative to the situation, yes. I'm not a proponent of late term abortion, if that's what i led you to believe. Once a fetus quickly approaches/reaches a point they can live outside the mother's womb, I don't believe it's right or moral to end that life merely for birth control purposes. Maybe I should have qualified my statement better. My only point was no matter when you do it, it IS murder. But just because its acceptable doesn't mean it should be celebrated or encouraged.
Lurple 2 years ago
If it can live outside the womb, wouldn't it be ready or extremely close to ready, for delivery? If the person in question didn't get an abortion before then..Well, that just adds to the irresponsibility of the person.
On a less serious note, by the logic of your last two sentences, we shouldn't celebrate military victories. (It's a given that most don't encourage war.)
Axualsetto 2 years ago
Many babies are born months prematurely and survive...which is my point. If there's *any* possibility a fetus could survive on it's own, it's too late to abort merely for birth control reasons. Unwanted pregnancies should be terminated as early as possible, much better if prevented in the first place. The only point of my statement was even if you-re Pro-Choice, you have to acknowledge abortion is murder. It's alive, you abort/kill it, so it's murder. Pro-Choicers must deal with that.
Lurple 2 years ago
We have an overpopulation problem.
babies aren't special.
They are a dime a dozen.
justinatorator 2 years ago
By celebrating, I don't mean having an abortion party. I mean those groups that appear to relish in the abortion cause more as an act than a freedom of choice. We need to spend far more energy (celebrating) preventing unwanted pregnancies than whether we have the right to end them or not. Choice is important but why not stop the need of the having to make the choice in the first place?
Lurple 2 years ago
It's no different than a planned miscarriage.
Far from muder this is.
justinatorator 2 years ago
Planning to kill something is murder.
I think some people have a problem with the word 'murder'. That's not pointed anyone directly, just an observation.
Lurple 2 years ago
I plan on killing a chicken.
It is not murder.
Can you demonstrate malice aforethought.
Motive.
justinatorator 2 years ago
I'm not arguing a legal definition or attempting to prosecute in a court of law. I'm arguing the base definition of a word, Murder: to kill intentionally. Its alive, its aborted, wasnt it killed intentionally by the actions of another? Yep, fine w/ me. Then basely yes, its murder. Whats the big freakin semantic deal? Probably because theres guilt closely associated with the word murder. People should feel bad when anything dies at their hands, even necessarily. Life should be more respected.
Lurple 2 years ago
Life on Earth shouldn't be respected, however, life in the universe as we currently know it, should be respected, as it would appear rare.
Axualsetto 2 years ago
No different than a planned miscarriage is it? Yeah let's have a "planned car accident" while were at it as well. Far from murder that is. Afterall It's no different than a planned train wreck.
JohananRaatz 2 years ago
Selective morality is viewed as negative..Due to hypocrisy..Yet at the same time..Vindicated during times in which one is under attack, the hypocrisy is ignored in favor of defense of oneself, and selective morality viewed then as a necessity. In similar circumstances, if one views the irresponsible young lady's child as an attack on society due to her most likely not properly caring for it, then the abortion would be in defense of society. Viewed in this way, the hypocrisy could be ignored..
Axualsetto 2 years ago
..And the selective morality as a necessity. Would this be such a wrong perspective to maintain in regards to the entire "issue"?
Ignoring that, the entire claim that the woman shouldn't have a right to do as she pleases with specimens contained within her anatomy, is a bit...Controlling, I think. A strange way of viewing it just occurred to me; it is almost akin to forcing a person to keep a tumor within them, despite its hazardous and progressive growth.
Axualsetto 2 years ago
This was really well done.
nothingnessx2 2 years ago
the bible barely ever mentions homosexuality and when it does, it's just a passing reference, yet gay marriage is much more unforgivable than working on sunday, which is a commandment, you don't see fundies going around saying that working on sunday should be made illegal. you are completely correct many christians are completely selective with their application of biblical morality.
IIIIFile13IIII 2 years ago
Well, I have never had an abortion, but I can kinda relate to that lady. I have done things when I was younger that I am 100% opposed to now and ashamed of. Some people call it hypocrisy, I call it maturity, personal growth, or education. Everybody goes through changes maybe she did to.
Ericjpomeroy 2 years ago
the bible says that nobody is alive until they take their first breath....
The biggest Hippocrates are the most righteous at times. Some people are such loud mouths.
Someone should picket her for those abortions...
Psilo007 2 years ago
No it doesn't and besides isn't this exactly what fetal rights opponents complain about? -that the pro-life side is injecting religion into the debate? Then why are you doing precisely that?
JohananRaatz 2 years ago
I was trying to juxtapose idiots on their level...
The bible does say that.
I'm pro choice fyi
Psilo007 2 years ago
I see. Perhaps though you shouldn't treat pro-lifers as idiots. Some of us see these charades as kind of lame.
JohananRaatz 2 years ago
Lets clear things up, the "idiots," I apologize, I'm referring to, are the ones that are Hippocrates...
Psilo007 2 years ago
Ok fair enough.
JohananRaatz 2 years ago
What I don't understand is why Christians are so against gays. I would think they would love the gays, I mean really who has less abortions than the gays?
Shadoweaver111 2 years ago
This is why I support a law banning abortions, and defining them as murder....
wait for it...
for anyone who belongs to a church that defines a fetus as a person.
Murder has no statute of limitations. Under the law I propose, your friend would have to stand trial for a double murder.
Or renounce her faith.
Revyloution 2 years ago
you're very cute.
are you gay?
comeasyouare1989 2 years ago
I agree, totally! Well done.
RevolutionaryINK 2 years ago
We should abort god and babies because one is pretend and the other is for population control. I believe in the planet. I hate humans.
Peace man! :)
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JohananRaatz 2 years ago
spoken like a true jesus freak.
P47RICK 2 years ago
Fucking idiot, I oppose abortion because I don't like infants getting hacked to pieces by their good for nothing parents not for some religious "jesus freak" reason. It's a little something called "human decency" something many pro-aborts don't have.
"They ain't got no humanity"
JohananRaatz 2 years ago
Yeah, that's funny.
However, that's how humans think ...
truevoiceofsanity 2 years ago
Now, I am opposed to abortion for human rights -not religious- reasons, but my vehemence about it stems from my first experience with the issue when I was about two and I asked my parents what the word meant.
Now let's say that everyone who is this vehement about abortion is like the lady in the video. We all know that human beings are imperfect and so don't live up to perfect ideals. But these ideals need imposition for people to behave. Logically then you might need hypocrites to impose them.
JohananRaatz 2 years ago
Just curious JohananRaatz, at what point during a pregnancy do you consider the creation of a person who is entitled to 'human rights'?
If its at conception, then taking the birth control pill is murder, as it prevents the 'human' from being able to adhere to the uterine wall.
If attaching to the uterine wall makes one a 'person', then all pregnant women would, by law, be required to be admitted to emergency care. 1/3 of fetus never make it past this point, so these 'humans' are in danger.
Revyloution 2 years ago 2
Well hypocrisy or not we do have a right to judge others based on moral principles.
Natural rights come from moral principles and thus without moral principals there are no rights.
Thus it is a natural right for one to impose ones morality on someone.
JohananRaatz 2 years ago
I agree.
Without some degree of judgement, we would not have society.
For the record, the people who say, we don't have the right to judge are mostly judging that its o.k.
truevoiceofsanity 2 years ago
good stuff proteanview
themanwhocan243 2 years ago
I wish you could bress a button and all abortions of healthy babies could be reversed. I would gladly sacrifice every pro abortion person on the planet to bring them back.
I hate this issue.
Create dont destroy
FrankFrazetta 2 years ago
Support the rights of women!
Hadogei123456789 2 years ago
Which ones? The natural rights or synthetic rights? Remember the 'right to choose' is just a synthetic right or else it wouldn't be socially fabricated. Even many pro-choicers will admit that the right to choose is just a societal construct.
JohananRaatz 2 years ago
Would you take care of the brain dead babies as well? Some abortions were for those and it takes a bit of money to put a brain dead baby on life support.
amberview30 2 years ago
Extremely minute percentage of abortions are for Brain dead babies, and hose tragedies (medical emergancies) aren't even considered when calculating abortion statistics.
RevolutionaryINK 2 years ago
If you read my comment I clearly say "Healthy Babies". Im sick of the cavalier attitude about life. Its turned into some perverted game to see how many babies we can stack on the pile. This goes against natural law. We accept it only because society teaches us The right for a woman to choose. We would naturally know its wrong. One day you will realize its wrong. Im not saying it should be illegal. But out of respect for the baby you should acknowledge the life they gave up.
FrankFrazetta 2 years ago
You did say "Healthy Babies". I am corrected. Sorry. I guess I should read and comment while sleepy. I read it (disregarding the healthy) and remembered a co-worker that had some tests done and the doctor diagnosed the fetus with a problem like the one I stated. I didn't even see the healthy part. However, I do not think that most people would want to support those healthy babies either. Once born, people care less. Once those babies are teenagers they care even less...
amberview30 2 years ago
Great video....i agree with you....look at that pastor (ted haggard)he said on many occasions that being gay was a disease then we found out not only does he like men he likes drugs too.
yans21 2 years ago
Good points!
patternsinchaos 2 years ago
why do some people concider abortion to be killing a child when a woman can carry a fetus for 7months and still have a misscarage but its not concidered a baby and you cant have a funeral for it.
crewlla 2 years ago
You can live 40 years and drop dead from a heart attack too. This should not be the standard. It's better to say it's taking a life but it's better than the alternative. Like harm to mom, poor family, Disease, over population, etc. Lets be honest and stop trying to say its good. I see abortion as a necessary evil like debt. If never taught it was bad I would know instinctively. How could anyone argue with a womans right to choose? It comes down to choosing the lesser of two evils.
Bassmarko 2 years ago
BRAVO!
themanofearth 2 years ago
Im not pro or anti abortion. I do find it morally wrong to kill babies but understand the argument on both sides. When you are young you want the option to keep you from the financial obligation. When you are older you understand these are people and wonder who they could have been. Ultimately I think this is about population control and eugenics. Abortion kills more Latinos and Blacks than any other race. Does Planned Parenthood consider these races undesirable?
Bassmarko 2 years ago
you are awesome!
EbonyAbraxas 2 years ago
I totally agree with you. In my opinion, you have to tailor your morals to yourself, not tailor other people to your morals. What you chose to do and the reasons for it cannot be placed on another person. If you don't agree with abortion, don't have one. Don't like gay marriage? Don't have one. Also, when someone is vehemently against something, it's because they're hiding something quite often. Just like hating on gay people because you can't come to terms with your own homosexuality.
nellezor 2 years ago
I don't agree with you. Firstly, you accuse hypocricy and then commit it. Secondly, baby killing is evil. Just as any killing is evil. Be it for pleasure, food, power or enjoyment. Thirdly, intelligent decision making should have been exercised much earlier than this.
Regardless, I will never bring myself to prevent someone having an abortion and will vote pro-choice. Also, I am not religious or spiritual. I just thought you should know that you're evil.
xprincexofxsavagesx 2 years ago
if this woman really thinks abortion is comparable to murder she should denounce herself and ask to be given a life sentence for killing two human beings
geiuy 2 years ago 2
Indeed. Though the fact that one woman doesn't act does not mean that it is not murder. Be careful what you wish for should she actually take your offer, what would become of the other baby killers that you protect?
Mock hypocricy isn't as innovative or successful as you may think.
xprincexofxsavagesx 2 years ago
Two things. One, abortion is legal in America, so no need for her to pay any debt to society by doing time in prison. Two, perhaps she has evolved in her attitude toward abortions. People can change. And btw, Christians are forgiven ;o)
Rousecat 2 years ago
Most abortion cases are good. Because a lot of times u make mistakes.
SpicyHam 2 years ago
hey dude I love your point here like yeah I don't think that it's right that she had two abortions. In fact I think it's terrible but I think one thing that you didn't consider is that maybe she's changed. Maybe this lady in question is growing and learning from her mistakes..anyways I just wanted to point that out other than that I totally agree with you abortion is terrible =)
aznpride19283 2 years ago
Agreed!
temetnosce06 2 years ago
Man Proteanview, why would you care to connect issues with the speakers of the issues? Why on earth would the truths of an issue have anything at all to do with who speaks them or who doesn't speak them? It's just an irrelevant distraction. It's a complete fallacy to say that just because the person taking a stance is a hypocrite means that the stance is wrong or false. All this says is that the person is a hypocrite, not that his/her stance is wrong.
ptashman 2 years ago