The Ultimate Proof of Creation, Dr. Jason Lisle

[jslyster]

What a load. Not believing in a god does NOT equate to believing there is no purpose to living. That's a fallacy, one of dozens this clown spews that have been refuted time and time again. Waste of time listening to this crap regurgitated and warmed over. And just because he calls him self a "doctor" doesn't qualify him to assess evolution or the scientific method or the "laws of logic". Total BS.

[7BroncoBoy]

@jslyster Not believing in a god does logically leads to believing there is no purpose to living. Not everyone comes to that conclusion, but it follows logically. What qualifies you to critique the good doctor?

[Toggen62]

@7BroncoBoy If "not believing in a god does logically leads to believing there is no purpose to living", I could understand the need of choosing a religion in order to avoild lack of meaning in life. But if "the difference between proof and persuation" is just about me beeing irrational and unable to believe an irrifutable "very good" argument, I guess dr. Jason Lisle must be right about one thing; that there has to be something "wrong" with me and my lack of faith and conviction.

[TheSnookmaster12]

@jslyster I don't think purpose means what you think it means.

[saintoccasionally]

@jslyster He doesn't have to call himself a doctor. The University of Colorado calls him that, since that is where he earned his Phd in astrophysics. But I'm sure you knew that already.

[loislane235]

@jslyster If him being a doctor does not qualify him to assess evolution and/or the scientific method and/or the laws of logic then what makes other doctors qualified? And yes he is a doctor you can look him up if you took the time. :)

[atlucas1]

Theorem 28 - Magnetic fields carry information, just as the particles that respond to them respond to that information. Black body radiation - matter emits photons. I thought astrophysicists knew about these sorts of things.

Theorem 15 - minds aren't necessarily the only senders. More accurately the mind is a hub for a flurry of environmental/biological signals gathered over time, organized, then sent. The mind is a translator, an interpreter... not a sender, just a hub.

[max2right]

The bible is the only way to know God. For a greater understanding of His true nature I found the following scriptures especially helpful: Zechariah 14: 1-2 Deuteronomy 22:28-2 Numbers 31:17-18 Leviticus 25: 44-46 Exodus 21:7 Exodus 21: 20-21 1 Peter 2:18 Jeremiah 19: 9 A must read for all.

[7BroncoBoy]

@max2right Thanks!

[angryaznman]

stupid. nothing said proves a 4,500 universe. 

[7BroncoBoy]

@angryaznman What is a "4,500 universe"? The video is on proof of God creating, so I don't know what you're talking about.

[SpankyIsNotAVampire]

Also on your carbon-14 argument google this "Young earth creationists and Carbon-14 "dating" of diamonds"

[pupsenok]

Interestingly, this guy states that the Laws of Logic are exclusively Christian presuppositions. And, yet, the Pagan Greeks are the ones who came up with the Laws of Logic.

[7BroncoBoy]

@pupsenok I see, so before the Greeks, you could have a basket with 5 apples, add 5 more and you would have 23 or some other random number. And before the Greeks, you be dead and alive at the same time and in the same way.

[pupsenok]

@7BroncoBoy

No, it is the speaker who stated that the Laws if Logic are exclusively Christian presuppositions. I stated that they were formulated by the Pagan Greeks, which is before the advent of Christianity and so this speaker is incorrect. You go even further in showing how the speaker is incorrect by stating that the Laws of Logic existed before the Pagan Greeks. Clearly, you and I both agree that the speaker is incorrect.

[7BroncoBoy]

@pupsenok Actually Christianity started when God created the world 6000 years ago, and people started to worship th eGod who created them. Have you ever heard of Israel? The Old Testament? Without God, there's no logical reason for logic to exist.

[KSH2006]

@7BroncoBoy

I don't think so... Christianity did not start 6,000 years ago. It was more like 2,000 years ago.

[7BroncoBoy]

@KSH2006 Read a Bible. Learn some history. Christians are worshipers of the same God the Israelites worshiped, and Abraham, Noah, Seth and Adam before them. Most of Jesus Christ's teachings came from the Old Testament (the Jewish scriptures). He was a The fulfillment of everything commanded and prophesied in the Old Testament. Christians are followers of Christ. He once and for all replaced the OT animal sacrifice system with the sacrifice of himself. Bible is 1 story of God's plan 6000 YA & on.

[KSH2006]

Like you just said earlier, Christians are followers of Christ. Christ existed 2,000 years ago, not 6,000 years ago. Hence, Christianity started 2,000 years ago.

[7BroncoBoy]

@KSH2006 Christ has existed for all eternity! He created the universe!

[pupsenok]

@7BroncoBoy

Clearly, the Laws of Logic are self-existent. Something cannot be A and not-A at the same time. Logic does not require a God.

If Jesus is Lord, then something cannot be A and not-A at the same time. However, even if Jesus was not Lord, then something still cannot be A and not-A at the same time.

In fact, it is only breaking the Laws of Logic that requires a God. Only an omnipotent God can make something A and not-A at the same time.

[7BroncoBoy]

@pupsenok There's no logical reason for logic to exist in a random universe. Otherwise you can't even trust your thoughts. How do you know they aren't the result of random chemical reactions?

"In fact, it is only breaking the Laws of Logic that requires a God. Only an omnipotent God can make something A and not-A at the same time." - That's an illogical statement in itself. How can God make something A and not A at the same time?

[Pilgrim1411]

Evolution. People still believe in it?

[7BroncoBoy]

@madhammy09 You obviously think with your emotions rather than your brain. That would explain your cussing. Good bye.

[madhammy09]

I fell sorry for anyone who actually believes this guy.

[7BroncoBoy]

@madhammy09 No need to feel sorry for people who think logically.

[Daracon75]

No atheist in existence is able to refute the points made in this video. Transcendental apologetics are unstoppable. Atheists have no excuse.

[CenturyOneProject]

112 people dont like this. keep running.... God will find you....

[Daiblix]

"Creation college".

[copypaper92704]

Not bad.



[PirateXzibit]

To my fellow brothers and sister in Christ. You may have heard from many atheists that we can't have the big population of people that we do, in a short time period. It's a really bad argument.

Tell them this; In the beginning of the 20th century, the population was 1,5 billion. Now in the beginning of the 21th century, we made it to 6 billion people. That's 4,5 billion people in only 100 years. However, don't bash them for their ignorance or arrogance. Meekness and respect as Dr. Lisle said.

[MegaMonkeyExtreme]

If the 'mind of God' created all of our DNA, why make it so complex? If God can create all this on his own free will, why make humans with all these delicate organs, etc? Why not just have the structure of a human, and that's it? Heck, he could make magic hold us together if he wanted to, it would certainly be easier, wouldn't it? No fragile organs and tissues to worry about.

[7BroncoBoy]

@MegaMonkeyExtreme That's so illogical: If God didn't do things they way I would've, he doesn't exist.

[mack2real]

OMG...this Vid Just OWNED anyone that doent believe in God...wow 

[paygi110709]

Oh creacionist!!!...1 question for creacionist

If creacionist is true...why we can see most of the stars?

Cause you know, speed of light is 300 000 km/s...and if the universe is 6000 years old...why we can see most of the stars?

Another question...How we came from a few people of the same race and languaje (noe´s ark) to almost 7 billion people of diferent race and languaje in just 4000 years

As you see, there is nothing of science in creacionist

Creacionist = BULLSHIT

[7BroncoBoy]

@paygi110709 That was 2 questions and don't ever use filthy language commenting on my videos again.

God created Adam & Eve as adults & the trees growing with fruit on them. Not hard for him to create the stars with the light already here. For an alternate explanation, go to my other channel, Slaves4Christ and search for a video by Dr. Russell Humphreys called Starlight and Time.

[7BroncoBoy]

@paygi110709 For your 2nd question, population growth is exponential, not linear. If I have 4 kids and each of them has 4 kids, and so on, it only takes 5 generations to have over 1000 people. But in agricultural societies, people tend to have 8-9-10+ kids. 5 generations of 10 kids would make 100,000 people! So 7 billion is easily reachable. Population growth actually supports a Young Earth. See youngearthDOTorg/AudioVideo/hu­man-population-growth-supports­-young-earth/video_1.html

[LoneRookRS1]

@7BroncoBoy You're assuming people reproduce on an exponential basis, which is quite awkward reasoning. Plus, this implies the human race is so inbred, that we would all be stillborn by now if we all came from Noah's family. Repeat the statement "God created the stars with the light already here" and as yourself if that does not sound pretty far-fetched and desperate to you. After all, why bother with stars at all if humanity is at the centre of a Christian universe. Very unscientific.

[7BroncoBoy]

@LoneRookRS1 It's a known fact that human population grows exponentially. The creationist view isn't that the human race started with all kinds of mutations with handicapped children in the 2nd generation. God made us with perfect genes. It was not til a couple thousand years after the curse because of Adam & Eve's sin that we had those problems, and that's when God forbade incest. I guess if God made stars and you don't like it, that proves he doesn't exist?

[LoneRookRS1]

@7BroncoBoy My question remains, why would God make stars, and give the impression they have been around for billions of years, if humans are the centre of the universe. In a modern scientific world, to believe the Earth is 6000 years old, that humans originated from one family, that a global flood occurred and that 250+ billion galaxies are centred around the Earth, is absolutely insane.

[7BroncoBoy]

@LoneRookRS1 He made the stars and stretched out the heavens because he felt like it. It's his universe, he made it the way he wanted.

How is any of that insane?

[LoneRookRS1]

@7BroncoBoy It's insane because you will believe absolutely anything if it fits your beliefs. There is no scientific evidence for anything you have said, and furthermore you cannot prove any of it. We have volumes of scientific information which contradict it. So, you are deluding yourself. If you can explain away the evidence for the big bang, the age of the sun, the age of the Earth etc. go for it - but you can't.

[7BroncoBoy]

@LoneRookRS1 You make a lot of assumptions without even looking into the evidence.

"f you can explain away the evidence for the big bang, the age of the sun, the age of the Earth etc. go for it " - I've got lots of videos on this channel and my other channel, Slaves4Christ doing just that.

Why don't you start with "Big Problems with the Big Bang" by Jason Lisle?

[dwhite1up]

@Drunkenprophet23 "cannot equal anything but 4. This is always true everywhere you go"... Wrong, do you know anything about black holes? Mathematics as WE know it breaks down inside of one. Sorry guys, there is no debunking God, but one can debunk evolution. ;) Job 11:7 "Canst thou by searching find out God? canst thou find out the Almighty unto perfection?"

[dwhite1up]

@Drunkenprophe23 "Laws of logic are this simple: 2+2=4, 2+2 cannot equal anything but 4. This is always true everywhere you go and you don’t need God to exist for it to be true.".... Huh? Where do you think numbers came from? It's proven that matter, time, and space had an origin and are finite. Have we hit infinity yet? Nothing can not create Everything... only an eternal presence can. The Bible says God is eternal. You presuppose that God isn't necessary for mathematical laws.

[dragonfiremalus]

Response to 20:00. "Only a sith deals in absolutes." Yes, I am enough of a nerd to bring a Star Wars quote into a CvE debate.

[dragonfiremalus]

20:00 if you are refusing even to consider working together from a neutral state, then there is no hope for a rational discussion. Therefore, I am done posting on these videos.

[ReResearcher]

94 people (so far) do not deserve the ability to see or hear.

[Mcfly88]

There's something wrong with people? Haha, well that IS an argument I can't refute...

[OneWayandThatWayOnly]

Thanks for the great upload

[spawndewd]

I finally found someone who knows how to explain things very well. I love the way he thinks.

[evAngeliis]

I like how all the secular comments are arguing in the fallacious way pointed out in the very video they are commenting on. You can't use immaterial logic in a purely naturalistic point of view. Watch the video, present your argument. I see a lot of just "ad hominem" attacks on Dr Lisle here. Let me ask you, "who are you to judge whether someone is able to present an argument or not?" Do you have a PhD in logic etc? See how unfair that is? How fallacious that is.

[jakedevon]

Proving a metaphysical Creator is easy.

After all, matter can't create itself.

[Drunkenprophet23]

Laws of logic are this simple: 2+2=4, 2+2 cannot equal anything but 4. This is always true everywhere you go and you don’t need God to exist for it to be true. The existence of laws of logic does not = biblical truth.

[7BroncoBoy]

@Drunkenprophet23 There's no reasonable reason to believe they would exist and make sense without an incredibly intelligent being to create them.

[Bigjon145]

@Drunkenprophet23 LOL you just made the same fallacy he pointed out it the video, of course it works and of course it's always true, but that isn't a positive reason on accounting for it which you can't do under an atheistic world view. Try LISTENING and not just hearing and maybe you'll realize he's right.

[Butterpants1987]

@Drunkenprophet23 And that ends lisle's entire argument.

[Drunkenprophet23]

Even if all the evidence he said is true (Which I highly doubt it is) it doesn’t prove BIBLICAL creation at all. Even if Evolution was 100% wrong that doesn’t make the bible right.

[7BroncoBoy]

@Drunkenprophet23 In other words, you punt.

[XonezIOIzenoX]

@Drunkenprophet23 Well if you go on believing about what you are saying then nothing will convince you otherwise. You will always be content in believing in evolution that was caused by something out of nothing. You would not want to believe a God have made this entire reality. You would always question life, and even unto death you will be unsure because you would feel that no one knows the true answer. Well, God has been speaking to man through his words with scriptures, its man who denies it.

[C13SKY]

@Drunkenprophet23 irrational

[JamesJon1187]

@Drunkenprophet23

Have you ever done a study of fulfilled prophecies from the BIble? Or studied the case of the ressurection of JEsus?

[machinedean100]

Lol its Richard Dawkins purpose to go around telling people there is no purpose. That is hilarious.

[beswick1306]

wow i actually feel more stupid having watched this.

also nobody claims everything came from nothing, or that evolution is random, we dont know where everything came from and natrual selection is not random. go read a gcse level textbook

[7BroncoBoy]

@beswick1306 You are more stupid for having watched this because now you deny the obvious.

[starsheild7]

@beswick1306 You said, "nobody claims everything came from nothing, or that evolution is random", then you actually said, "we don't know where everything came from, & natural selection is not random". You are using laws of logic & reason to defend naturalism (which has no standard of laws of logic) while saying that natural selection is the standard of laws of logic (even though natural selection is random); what exactly is your standard of the laws of logic? What makes nature alone not randomn?

[MuseManMike]

Never equate education will intelligence.

[7BroncoBoy]

@MuseManMike Never equate a comment on Youtube with intelligence.

[100SamAdams]

@MuseManMike Do not doubt this mans intelligence. He is obviously very intelligent.

What needs to be said is that, Intelligence alone does not make something correct.

[mifster83]

test

[2011EWB]

hi

[Dogschach]

If laws of logic are immaterial, universal, invariant abstract entities that govern all conceptual relationships, why is God necessary?

[7BroncoBoy]

@Dogschach God must institute the laws, otherwise they wouldn't exist and there's not logical reason to think they would exist.

[Woreyel]

@Dogschach Because there NEEDS to be a God that could created all those things.. they couldn't have come about by random chance.

[Bigjon145]

@Dogschach God is the foundation for them.

[SixtySeventh]

Wait, so God put that information into our own DNA. And this information is responsible for our physical form and some of our personal traits? Does that mean that God knew I was going to be an atheist before he created me, and then created me to end up serving his planned puprose as an atheist?

Then why is he according to most holy scriptures go to hell for not picking any religion, when God himself, according to your description of him, knew me before he created me?

Is that moral? No it's not.

[7BroncoBoy]

@SixtySeventh DNA is not responsible for your thoughts and your choices. You choose to obey or disobey, love or hate, believe or disbelieve. You are responsible for your choices and your actions.

[SixtySeventh]

I mean God can't be all-knowing, but at the same time oblivious of our lives. In other words, Free will is an illusion.

If he knows what you're gonna choose in life, and also what experience you're going to endure in life that made you make those choices, then how is that free will? Having a choice is not truly a choice if God created you knowing that you would find yourself in that situation and make this theoretical choice.

God created me to be an atheist, didn't he? At least he knew.

[7BroncoBoy]

@SixtySeventh That is an irrational argument. Just because someone knows something does not mean they are controlling it. I know the Packers won the Super Bowl this year. That doesn't mean I made it happen. You know the sun will rise tomorrow (at least with astronomical certainty), but you are not in charge of it.

[SixtySeventh]

@7BroncoBoy But if he knew I was going to be an atheist, and he knew that I was a damned child even before I was born, why did he create me?

It's not an irrational argument, it's just a prime example of God's self refuting nature.

[7BroncoBoy]

@SixtySeventh Because he loves you and wanted to give you a choice like everyone else. How fake would that be to only create people that would love him?

[RealityBend]

Oh comment pending approval? Yea, THAT shows how confident you are haha

[Nevada2444]

The laws of logic are there because they are evolutionarily beneficial. The first people who figured out laws of logic worked had an advantage over people who didn't. So the person who figured out the law that there's a higher chance of you being struck by lightning if you're walking around in a storm survived and the person who didn't got struck by lightning. Then the person who survived taught that law to his children. Tribes that kill their children simply didn't survive to use his example.

[7BroncoBoy]

@Nevada2444 The laws of logic would have tbe exist in the first place to be beneficial.

[Naltharial]

The sad part is, that his theory crumbles within the first few minutes. Information can't be created from nothing? If I throw a can of paint randomly at a wall infinite times, that can of paint will reproduce the entire text of the bible infinite times. Is the can of paint a creator? This is the same age-old saying about monkeys, typewriters and Shakespear.

It's good to know creationists can't even begin a theory without failing at the start.

[7BroncoBoy]

@Naltharial That has to be one of the dumbest things I've ever heard!

[starsheild7]

@Naltharial A can of paint happens to be something, but your argument is saying information can come from nothing yet you use a can of paint (something) to prove that information can come from NOTHING (no paint). Do you not see the irony?

[Naltharial]

@starsheild7 Are you suggesting a can of paint is an intelligent creator or are you suggesting that God is as smart as a can of paint? Because the video directly claims that information comes from a designer and you're saying that the can of paint is that designer ... so you are directly saying that our present genetic code has been created by something as random as a can of paint.

Congratulations, friend, you have just proven evolution.

[MonochromaticEarth]

when I first watched this I knew something wasn't right. I went ahead and called the university of Colorado ... They have no record of a Jason Lisle attending their college. can anyone find a copy of this guys thesis? I'll bet it starts just like Kent Hovinds "Hi my name is"

[7BroncoBoy]

@MonochromaticEarth COMPLETE LIAR!! The RationWiki website states: "Yes, Dr. Lisle is one of those rare creationists who didn't get their qualifications from a diploma mill... His PhD thesis "Probing the Dynamics of Solar Supergranulation and its Interaction with Magnetism." is available from the University of Colorado[3] and he has also published numerous papers in the scientific literature (something that AiG insists on calling secular literature) concerning convection cells in the sun.[4]"

[gutbolt]

@Naltharial You, the can of paint, and the wall are all something. For the bible to be reproduced in the way you just said, it would take many things, like you, the paint, the wall, gravity, friction, a mind to interpet the results, and so on. It would hardly be something comming from nothing. There is nothing wrong with recognizing something as designed.

[machinedean100]

@Naltharial are you stoned?

[machinedean100]

@Naltharial Lol the two people who thumbed this up. Thought it must have been written by a can of paint!

[MrMonkipuzzle]

@Naltharial Seriously, that's quite an ignorant statement...

[mashafasha5]

Biblical creation = Intelligence?

[KingJamesBible]

This is an incredible presentation that the creationist / Biblical view is the ONLY sane, rational view for life. 

[hun27]

wow very cool

[blazingslice]

If there is absolute morality then why did people accept stoning to death?

[7BroncoBoy]

@blazingslice 3+4=7 every time absolutely. If a kid takes a math test and puts "6" for the answer to 3+4, does that mean 3+4 doesn't always = 7?

Besides, stoning to death is right if the one being killed committed a crime worthy of death.

[konigstiger93]

GOD: 3rd day: create plants 4th day: create sun

[evAngeliis]

@konigstiger93 So you have presupposed God's light is not a driving force of life. You have no ability to confirm that or deny that. There is no point in making that point is there? God's original creation was very different to our world we see now according to Scripture. You are comparing apples and orange scenarios. Sorry, not working!

[NarutoTailFoxPwnage]

For love is joy, the love has been given Jesus, don't let it pass you love is patient it is waiting for you, God is waiting.

[KenpoMike2011]

"Very hard to disprove something that cannot be detected in any way." -- kinda like God?

[7BroncoBoy]

@KenpoMike2011 Sure, if you want to deny everything in existence.

[myst931]

You know Shawn, if you honestly believed everything that you preach, then you should be able to stand up to modern scrutiny. Why do you shun away atheists that just want to rationally debate/talk with you about issues ?. That's a serious question. I wouldn't mind asking you a few questions, if you allowed me to have some responses. All civil mannered of course.

[myst931]

You know Shawn, if you honestly believed everything that you preach, then you should be able to stand up to modern scrutiny. Why do you shun away atheists that just want to rationally debate/talk with you about issues ?. That's a serious question.

[4Locke4]

derp

[yashaazz]

LOL what a yokel.

[YHWHiscoming]

Jas 1:17 Every good gift and every perfect gift is from above, and cometh down from the Father of lights, with whom is no variableness, neither shadow of turning.

[YHWHiscoming]

Pro 30:5 Every word of God is pure: he is a shield unto them that put their trust in him.

[AndyG792]

I like his teaching on logical fallacies. Very well put together and educational as well as a very good approach to refuting evolutionists.

[TheGamanic]

@AndyG792 Yet it doesn't refute anything

[ivanisavich]

This guy is dumb as a brick.

[Emotify]

Wow he's smart, I agree with everything he says



[AndyG792]

@Emotify Hmmm ... Are you sure you agree with everything he says? Have you heard everything that he has ever said? You may agree with everything that you have heard him say, and I would agree with that. Yes, I agree that he hits the nail on the head well and often Very intelligent..

[AndyG792]

@Emotify Hmmm ... Are you sure you agree with everything he says? Have you heard everything that he has ever said? You may agree with everything that you have heard him say, and I would agree with that. Yes, I agree that he hits the nail on the head well and often Very intelligent.. I couldn't help comment in reading that you agree with EVERYTHING he says. I understood what you meant, I'm Just playing around, but it's true.

[STICHYZ]

@Emotify ... That's not what you should say, never. I hope you were making a joke, it's evolutionist humor to describe creationist thinking.

[EldarionLovesJESUS]

I really like that pic 3:50

[EldarionLovesJESUS]

-nodnod- it's good logic :)

[gweems828]

I love this teaching