Awesome video, thanks for posting this!! I think in the newer A320's, the cockpit screens are LCD-CRT screens are less energy-efficient. I could be wrong, though.
@Lottowinner First the faulty pitot was from Thales and not Airbus, second the accident was provoked by the bad situational awareness and didn't realize they were in a stall. Read the final crash report before posting garbage. Airbus even fund the recovery of the blackboxes.
@TheAusraelian I could just imagine the AF pilots screaming what the is fuck is wrong with the computer and the HAL 1000 Computer Replies," Daisy Mazey I'm so Crazy and I'm flying the plane not U!"! They fell from 38,000 feet to hitting the ocean in 3 minutes and I could imagine they were screaming, "This is the last time I'm flying a fucking Airbus!." The other pilot replies, "Ditto!" I am sure they blamed the HAL-1000 Computer Unit, because thats the Airbus way to blame it on someone else!
@Iceman1100x Boeing aircraft do nothave Pitot Tubes they two different types of wind speed indicators electronic and mechanical. For any reason the electronics failed the mechanical wind speed indicaotors would take over. Pilots trained on Boeing aircraft are required to pass Dead Reckoning which is way to figure position and air speed which allows the pilot to increase the speed thus preventing a crash like AF Flight 449. Only Airbus is stupid enough to have one system without a back up! Duh!
Every Boeing plane has pitot tubes, idiot. And please show me those "mechanical wind speed indicators"! Had the pilots just done what every pilot learns to do in such a situation - climb thrust and 5° nose up - AF 447 would not have crashed. Even if they had done nothing, they would most likely still be alive.
@blablubb12345 Don't lie the Pilots Union condemns the A330 Flying Piece of Shit With Two Wings and you know it. Boeing does give away its technology and they do use Pitot Tubes and see that Pilots Union accused Airbus and French Aviation Bureau for covering up that crash. Your full of bull shit as usual!
@LottoWinner999 Watch Air Crash Investigations episode about Birgenair 301 watch?v=tCoZSsiZSn8. One single Pitot/static system inoperatave... = crash and everybody died. The aircraft was a Boeing 757 which is, believe it or not, ... not an airbus. By the way, Airbus A320 has 3 pitot probes. One for each of the airspeed indicators. First officer, Captain and standby. (they are all entirely independant).
@musicalaviator All 3 Pitot Tube + B-757 got the wrong signal from the Airport Beacon it was human error. Airbus has a problem that their Pitot Tubes freeze. How come the two copilots on that flight + captain could not do Dead Reckoning to figure Airspeed? Why cuz Airbus says computer does not fail. All Pitot Tubes failed on the flight + French Pilots Union put a warning a warning out on the A320. Air France just bought 25 B-787s as a protest against Airbus for not fixing defective A330s POS!
@LottoWinner999 Pitot probes don't have anything to do with an "Airpor beacon." Holy crap read and comprehend ANYTHING about how pitot probes work. They work the same on airbus, boeing, embraier, Tupolev and even bloody Cessna aircraft. The Birgenair 301 aircraft had 1 of its pitot tubes blocked by wasp wax and crashed. the Aeroperu 603 aircraft (a boeing 757) had all 3 pitot/static tubes/ports covered by sticky tape and crashed, and the Air France A330 had it's pitot blocked by ice & crashed
@LottoWinner999 Fun Fact, The Pitot Tube was invented by Henri Pitot. A french scientist tasked with measuring the speed of water in the 1760s Modern aircraft use a Pitot-Static system, the word Pitot coming from the last name of the french 18th century scientist, and the word Static coming from "Static air pressure". Aircraft need to know the difference between the pressure of static (still) air and moving (ram) air to determine airspeed. Google it, wiki it. All planes from a 172 to 380 have em
@365ways Airbus computer fucked by defective Pitot Tubers. 240 are killed by cheap Airbus technology and Air France Flight 447 was a waste of life. The French Pilots Union critisized Airbus for paying the French Aviation Bureau to cover up this accident. What don't U understand this was the fourth A330 to crash in this money and Australian Quantes had a close call with identical siuation. Accept it the A330 is defective POS(Piece Of Shit) with two wings that crashed. Airbus Sucks duck!
@Iceman1100x Its amazing Boeing always has a back up system and Airbus is so stupid it has defective Pitot Tube and no mecahnical back up. The pilots are not required to Dead Reckoning which have saved all those lives on Air France Flight 447 were wasted because is cheap. You depend on your mind not the computer and Airbus has not fixed this yet. French Aviation Board is covering this up for Airbus and the pilots union do not like the A330 because it has four crashes from defective Pitot Tubes.
@TheAusraelian What I am trying tell you is pilots should fly airplanes and not computers and to many people flying airbus have lost their lives because the computer crashed the planes while the pilot could not do any thing. A needless waste of life by Airbus!
@TheAusraelian Can U imagine the pilot on Air France 447 when the Ha-1000 computer said let me sing U a tune that I learned from 2010:Odyssey Computer Factory were psycohtic Hal-1000 sang," Daisy Mazey I'm so Crazy" and I'm flying the plane not U! Soon Airbus Dashbaord will have 1 switch, that says on and off & do not touch! Theres no place on Airbus to disconnect the computer and I know Airbus crashes are computer error. Thats why AF Flight 447 went down cuz the HAL-1000 went crazy like U.
aviation lovers, if you're interested I just uploaded a summary of a flight with air arabia, cockpit view. Very nice if you ask me, check out it out if you're interested.
@TheAusraelian Classically, you would pull the stick with your arm and this would pull on a series of levers and mechanical parts through the Aircraft to the flight control surfaces and this would raise the plane's nose. Fly-By-Wire is different in that, when you pull the stick, electrical sensors record the stick position and the plane computes the corresponding nose pitch. Electrical,Hydraulic or Pneumatic motors then powers the flight control surfaces accordingly, not the force of your arms.
With this, and other modern aircraft having all these 'Automatic' features I wonder if Pilots may suffer from 'skill decline', it seems the aircraft virtually fly themselves, it must get a little dull for the Pilots-perhaps they should have to fly a Gypsy Moth occasionally to keep the skills in order....
That's not true, plain and simple. Crash statistics of current Boeing and Airbus planes are more or less the same. You don't like the sidestick on Airbus planes? Have you ever flown one?
@chrissyboy129 You have no idea what you're talking about. Even with conventional yokes, the pilot on the left flies with the left hand ONLY (leaving the right hand free for other tasks), and the pilot on the right flies with the right hand ONLY (leaving the left hand free for other tasks). I know, I'm an instructor.
@chrissyboy129 You have no idea what you're talking about. Even with conventional yokes, the pilot on the left flies with the left hand ONLY (leaving the right hand free for other tasks), and the pilot on the right flies with the right hand ONLY (leaving the left hand free for other tasks). I know, I'm an instructor.
i doubt many realworld pilots argue on youtube about whats the best or worst technology. seriously youtube comment boxes will really soak up alot of ur time and waste it
@musicalaviator Airbus is more modern and safer then boeing, thats hands down a fact, and even if your a real life boeing pilot you've got to live with it.
the next versions of Boeing and Airbus will require only one pilot. Well not exactly, there will be a pilot and a dog on the flight deck. The pilot's job will be to feed the dog and the dog's job will be to bite the pilot if he/she touches anything!
i think we should experiment with different shaped side sticks. Imagine a side controler that was kind of an oval spherical shape and supported you're entire palm like a large trackball that you could roll. it might be more precise
hmmmm, i don't know if i would like sitting in my car on a motorway doing 80mph without a steering wheel to hold on to, it just looks bazaar sitting there looking out the window pushing buttons without a steering wheel. it's like he's a passenger, I mean whats stopping them flying it remotley, do we even need a pilot on board. I think pilots rely on technology too much.
People are criticizing the fly by wire system. But open yours eyes , a320 is killing the 737 over the last few years. And even boeing chosed fly by wire for the 777.
Why they don't just stick a PS3 controller in there and have done with it, I don't know. Then if both pilots had a heart attack, any 8 yr old kid could get us down safely.
There is only one word to describe this...Epic. Its about time they incorporated fighter technology into commercial. I liked the demonstration of hands free engine out take off. Until we perfect things like this there will always be pilots, you are not going anywhere. This was invented to help remove pilot error about time we let computers do the work and just supervise.
@shababsta. airbus works with an electronic interface and computers linked between cockpit and control surfaces, wires transmit signals to servo-motors which move hydraulic actuators. this is known as Fly-by-wire. since computers develop and validate commands, in order to maintain safety. those aircrafts are actually fully controlled by computers. airbus 320 family includes FBW as a standart. boeing uses a mechanical-hydraulic system, the 777 includes FBW, slightly different from airbus though.
planes should have hijack mode once the computer senses that from a pilot like the buttton in the counter calling police when theres a robbery it locks controls and takes over to land in a safe place notifying air traffic control.
Yeh that's never going to be hacked and used against legitimate pilot's wills! or crash into other aircraft... As we all know, 200 people against 5 terrorsits = the terrorists win. (because 200 people sit there and don't do anything... still... even after 9/11... )
Check out all hijack attempts since about 2002 onwards. They tend to have "Passengers subdued the hijacker" aka politically correct reportable "Bashed the bleep out of him"
Airbus has the potential software yet ready and istalled in their planes. It just isen't used yet. And be happy for that, if you ever want to be a pilot as I am. But the technical arangements to fly an airbus remote, allready is reality. So if you still search a thing to be afraid of, there it is.
@Rm4rs there are not enough hijackings to make any counterterrorism effort cost effective... guess the TSA doesn't know this either BWAHAHA. Seriously you can save more lives with better training since most accidents are due to pilot error.
@mikel1982 And more public awareness. cos hijackers seem to have an issue taking over the cockpit when 20+ people tackle them to the ground and pile on in a pseudo rugby scrum.
@musicalaviator good idea! That would save those annoying TSA lines and their money if we just do it vigilante style. I just feel any effort to circumvent terrorism will in itself end up being circumvented. It's pretty obvious any attempt at protection is always circumventable, from real to computer virus', copyright protection, etc. It always partially relies on total human acceptance, and with humanity the way it is, this is never unanimous. There is always someone trying to break a barrier.
@rebelpy That's a rather pre-9/11 view of hijacking. Now we culturally 'expect' the terrorist to not ask for money and to fly somewhere else, but simply kill the pilots and then fly the plane into the ground/CBD of the nearest city, meaning certain death to all on board.
@Rm4rs your right, it should be,,,the way they should improve is by,supplying every major airport around the world with the ability to control flight landins such as a simulator thats linked to the aircraft thats in trouble,have the pilots to hit a certain button that will automatic control the aircraft to the next major airport,it wich will make the aircraft go into a auto control from the simulator,if u look back some of the test flights r simulated from the ground up back to the ground
@nighttrain334 this will be a 99% chance every1 will live and the bad guys go to jail,but i guess money will be a problem ,cause i imagine itll be very expensive to do that,,,hey its just a thought!!!!!!!!!!!! ; ^ )
@Rm4rs that would be a transponder squawk of 7500.It wont land the plane,but believe me,you'll definitely get everybody's attention.And I mean everybody.Fox News will probably beat you to the field.
@Rm4rs without that " button " a hijacked plane has a 50% chance to land safety and without any passengers harm, with that "button", a highjacked plane has no hope.
Terrorist would go like, " ALAH AHAM MALEM I KEEL YOU! - boom! ".
@Rm4rs without that " button " a hijacked plane has a 50% chance to land safety and without any passengers harm, with that "button", a highjacked plane has no hope.
highjackers would go like, " ALAH AHAM MALEM I KEEL YOU! - boom! ".
hell no, i love planes. but yes the concept of electrics bothers me.... the same way digital media bothers me. you think all this stuff will be around forever without some sort of tangible back up?
Frightens you? Well get used to it because Boeing have since implemented that technology into their aircraft starting with the 777 and continuing with the 787.
@FTStratLP how can it? If there are no mechanical linkages between the cockpit and control surfaces, and all the computers controlling the flight surfaces fail...?
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biggest thing that scares me about flying is that you are being kept alive by artificial conditions i.e pressurised cabin. It keeps you comfortable barely but it is pretty bad. I hate what the cabin air does to the skin on my hands. It is by no means healthy for you.
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its ok but sometimes when you're sat in the plane you can't help thinking this is horrible. All that pressure you can feel on you're body. if you can move about regularly its not so bad but most often people get rude when you ask them to move if you have a window seat. if you shut you're eyes in flight it feels slightly disorinatated as a passenger. there's some things i like about flying but others that i hate. also the incresed uv exposure isnt too good
Increased UV exposure? Your inside a metal tube dude. Thats like claiming sunburn for staying inside too much. Try Vitamin D Deficiency instead. Only bad thing is the fact that the pressurized air lacks most of it's humidity/moisture. (hence the skin issue mentioned in your previous post). Disorientation? Sounds like an inner ear disbalance if you ask me. That "not entirely flat" sensation isn't a sensation, it's a fact that the 'floor' of the plane isn't perpendicular to gravity in flight
one interesting point about cabin air is the fact that the air compressors which provide the cabin air use normal oil & fuel. FOr example oxygen masks and inline breathing masks used for spray painting clearly state that the air provided must be from compressors that use mineral oil as well as being filtered. aircraft air may be filtered but the air is not provided by technology that uses mineral oil like the reccomendations for breathig equipment and diver air. cabin air is filthy
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all of this just takes all the fun out of flying :( this system will soon make lots of commercial pilots redundent as computers will soon fly themselves... i would definatly NOT get in a plane without a pilot!
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Words, words, words...The question is: if the Airbus is so perfect, why on earth last june 2009 one of them crashed down in the Atlantic Ocean just off the coasts of Brazil, killing so many people?
@ckyliu maybe he thinks B737's (and that rudder hardover problem which destroyed 3 so far) are better. What was their solution to the rudder hardover again? oh yes, put a thing in the manual "If The rudder goes hard over use any and all force neccicary to maintain attitude". Apparently putting words in a book managed to fix that problem. lol.
not just autotrim... but yes, you don't need to operate trim manually. Centre position of the stick is "Maintain current attitude" (Except in conditions where such an attitude would lead to an overspeed, stall or is futher than 33 degrees bank or 10 nose down or 25 nose high)
This is even true when 1: speeding up or slowing down, 2: adding or removing flap 3: in turbulent chop 4: assymetrical thrust. etc.
i wonder if boeing will have something similar to alpha protection on the 787 or will they rely on the pilots still if i had to pick id say airbus over boeing
Alpha Prot? no probably not. Boeing seem to like to have their throttle move around with little servo motors, and that's not particularly conductive to Alpha Prot. Not that that's a bit part of FBW anyway. Even the MD11 has it's version of Alpha Protection.
777 (and 787 of course) are however Fly by Wire... as in the controls are tempered by a computer.
"Yes but they can turn them off" you say
"Google 'Alternate Law and Direct law A320' I say"
One thing you really have to adjust to in the Airbus is the way the control function on it coming off of another airplane in particular. IE flying a crosswind landing. You dont want to kick the crab out till around 20 feet or less. Also, people tend to want to "hold" the stick. Depending on what law your in you put the wing at an angle and it will hold that angle for you. People walk all over the place in crosswinds alot when they are new in the bus I find
The Airbus is really an outstanding airplane. I came off of the Airbus for the Embraer at my company and though the 190 is a nice airplane the Airbus is really a solid pilots plane. Very automated but not overly so when you know your airplane. You can do anything a Boeing or an Embraer can do and in many cases better. It will not let you kill yourself if you get into a jam.
What's harder? pushing a stick up down left and right, or dancing between throttles, flaps, speedbreak, Autopilot controls, dialling exact digits using a rotary nob at a fair rate of speed
It's always struck me as backwards, People think "OMG holding the stick in the left hand is going to be so hard to fly the plane, cos then only my right hand is able to operate tiny nobs with high precision, obviously my left hand is so much more dexterous than my right.
I think that's opinion. Like you stated, the UK is left-handed. For the US, the yoke is better. If you want to get into dancing. Isn't the yoke closer to said controls?
And you come from the USA... What hand do you have on your Steering wheel when you drive? and what hand do you have on your Gear Shift (assuming you drive a car with a manual gearbox)
Now think about your statement in that context. What hand do you have on the Stick (left) what hand do you have operating the MCDU, Throttles, Radios, MCP autopilot controls, Flaps, Slats, Speedbreak
For a Left handed person, operating the joystick with the left hand may be a problem IMO, not the other way around
fyi, 95 percent of vehicles which also includes buses are automatic transmission in USA, I usually use my right hand on the wheel, no gears to shift. yoke is a better way to fly than with a joy stick.
Why debate the issue when you are obvioulsy not an Airbus pilot.
It all comes down to training and seeing how successful Airbus is, and the number of Airbus aircraft in the sky I guess flying using your left hand on the control stick is not a problem.
Airbus have 50,000 engineers in their staff that know more about design and aircraft than either you or I.
Not a all...during the formation with smaller aircraft we are always on the left seat (except sometimes for crew coordination in simulator...) so we are used to have the left hand on the wheel or the stick and to have the right hand free for something else...and for the few wheeled plane ive saw, on the left seat the communation button and the ap control were on the left side so designed to be used by the left hand.just a matter of training
Uncommanded Rudder hardover? vs max alpha protection misunderstanding of modes with autothrottle off. (or 3000ft stall-spin test with 12000ft minimum reccomended for that test by the manufacturer handbook? ... hmm..)
to concern people with on aircraft with the "what if's" truth of the matter is, FBW has caused massively more good than bad and was intended to give Pilots more mental capacity when dealing with stressful situations. Do a GPWS scape manouver in a conventional aircraft then in the 320 and you will see how much spare capacity you have for other things. Yes, FBW has its faults, but its a damn good and PROVEN system.
fire, tell you to kill the burning engine 2 leaving you with a rather heavy glider, potentially after take off) So there is no magic solution that is going to be fluid and intelligent enough to have a perfect outcome in every situation and thats why PIlots are there in the first place. As far as FBW dropping people into trouble with it's protections inappropriately activating, well look at how many airbuses there are in service and have never had that issue. Generally there are bigger things...
The truth of the matter is nothing is perfect, if you are looking for an aircraft which is going to get you out of every single eventuality imaginable then you wont ever find one. I have flown both Boeing and Airbus and they both have faults and merits, Boeing might not display failures as prominently as it should do (Turkish 737-8 RA1 fault on Autoland in EHAM) whereas ECAM on the 'bus can lead you into trouble too (eg. if you get an engine 1 fail and an engine 2 fire, it will prioritise the...
I can tell you this, when the weakness shows. and you cant turn off or reboot the computer. you are toast. and this is one more thing i wonder about. do you really dare to turn off the computer in flight. If there are something wrong whit it. And how can terrorist use this fly-bywire in the future. better be safe then dead. and it seems like boeing is the more responsible company. sadly they are a bit slow too.
@EuropeFactor Direct law happens if computers fail. Electronic impulse from the stick directly correlates to the hydraulic commands to the surfaces.
If all electronics fail including RAT (Nuke anyone?) then Airbus will be the same as boeing. Hydraulics lost and you are controlling the engines with the only ability to turn from differential thrust.
Finally there have been at least 3 aircraft loose all hydraulics. DC10, 747 and A310. only 1 had no deaths... A310.
@xirux01 Funny that. If United 93 or American 11 or United 175 were Airbus A320's instead of 767's and 757's... what would have happened?
OVERSPEED OVERSPEED (aircraft pulls up and cuts throttle to get out of the overspeed protection range) - that exact action is demonstrated in this very video.
September 11 2001 in an Airbus = Terrorists miss the WTC and Pentagon. In the case of WTC they could hit it slowly, but Pentagon, I doubt they could hit it with the gear and flaps up!
So i dont really care what they think.. It´s what the pilots thinks about the aeroplanes. and the pilots have raised concerns about the automatic figures onbord the airbus planes too. read some and you will see how many complaints from pilots there are.why do you think airbus installed a rumbel function on there joysticks(it was because the pilots complaint because they couldn´t fell how the aeroplanes behaved in the air.)
Airbus and fly by wire is here to stay and their safety record matches Boeing, so why these pointless Boeing versus Airbus arguments. Fly by wire is also a feature of the Triple 7.
Ok get this clear. I didn´t say anything about, fly-by-wire is going to disappear. I only want you. People that adore Airbus and fly-by-wire to think about the risk. that airbus put passangers through. because there are always a risk whit new technology. and it might be better whitin some areas. but sadly they rushing it to much whit the commersial aeroplane market. and thoes crashes that have happen prove that. i really like advances. but not to fast. security first and then money
so u would rather holt the world for ur own concerns. the system is safer. it stops the pilot killing every1. its only the old school pilots who really comp;ain because they are not computer literate and the young pilots who get an earful from the old guys. im guessing ur 1 of those 2
I think your concerns about the potential dangers of new technology with regard to Fly by wire are overblown. It is tried and tested and I for one have been a passenger on Airbusses and trust FBW as much as I would any other system on other types of aircraft that have been in existence much longer and still from time to time, fail.
I'd like to add that the pilot him or herself can be viewed as a system that can fail. FBW, seeks to minimise the potential problems of the 'human system' Records show that FBW does this. Eurofighter110 makes this point inn his comment below.
@xirux01 umm do you know anything about these systems at all? They're more reliable, safer, lighter and more comfortable for the passengers than a classical control aircraft with pulleys and cables. And there's more redundancy.
@mikel1982 Yes i do, That´s the sad part about it. I know more then i wish i would. It´s really hard to fly/travel when you know to much about the aeroplane you fly whit..
Have everybody forgotten about the airbus 320 that crashed in the paris airshow. do you know why it did that? it was because of glish in the fly-by-wire system. No automatic/computerized system is safe. but the fly-by-wire system airbus uses. disconnect the pilot from control. if the computer calculate that the pilot endanger the aeroplane. that´s the point why airbus uses it. to make the aeroplanes safer.sadly airbus it´s not that easy.you erase one problem. and you create ten..
Nup. Nobody forgot. Anti Airbus Proponents have previously in this very comment section said it was caused by "A computer glitch" and not by "the pilot retarding the throttles in landing mode, disarming the autothrottle, then pulling max alpha to maintain altitude, hoping the Autothrottle system which was now off and disarmed, would go into Alpha Floor and power up. Unfortunatley in this mode, (landing/flare Throttles retarded and disarmed) Alpha Floor is not available. so it couldn't climb.)
I heard another story from airbus. that they blamed there programers. to have made a mistake. and they have fixed it. but i dont believe that. after the last airbus crashes in the dominican republic and the indian ocean. i think that glish has re-appeared. and till airbus can prove the opposite. i´m going to prefer boeing instead of airbus
Yeh, the computer locked in touchdown mode and because the Autothrottle was disabled, even though he set full thrust (way late, but still enough to maybe pull out from) the flight reigeme did not come out of flare/landing mode, so did not let the aircraft pull up to maximum climb/aoa, limiting it to the pitch for tail ground clearance, expecting descent (although now with engines spooling up to takeoff thrust). TOGA and aborted landing modes (and sensing) were subsequently changed.
ive done alot of aviation research and i have never heard of max alpha and alpha floor sound like alot of rubbish please fill me in on these "terms phrases"
Awesome video, thanks for posting this!! I think in the newer A320's, the cockpit screens are LCD-CRT screens are less energy-efficient. I could be wrong, though.
dave4shmups 1 week ago
@Lottowinner First the faulty pitot was from Thales and not Airbus, second the accident was provoked by the bad situational awareness and didn't realize they were in a stall. Read the final crash report before posting garbage. Airbus even fund the recovery of the blackboxes.
techdefined 3 weeks ago
@Lottowinner What a shitload of rubbish are you posting.
techdefined 3 weeks ago
I am not a fan
abbasjafiya21 4 weeks ago
Very neat, Airbus took the glass cockpit to a whole new level!
FlightSimmer948 1 month ago
wow, very informative video. i thought FBW just meant that they use a joystick haha. Definitely would love to be an airbus pilot
KidKlassic91 1 month ago
@TheAusraelian I could just imagine the AF pilots screaming what the is fuck is wrong with the computer and the HAL 1000 Computer Replies," Daisy Mazey I'm so Crazy and I'm flying the plane not U!"! They fell from 38,000 feet to hitting the ocean in 3 minutes and I could imagine they were screaming, "This is the last time I'm flying a fucking Airbus!." The other pilot replies, "Ditto!" I am sure they blamed the HAL-1000 Computer Unit, because thats the Airbus way to blame it on someone else!
LottoWinner999 4 months ago
@LottoWinner999 im pretty sure if a 777 had the same issue the air frace 330 had the same result would occur
Iceman1100x 4 months ago
@Iceman1100x Boeing aircraft do nothave Pitot Tubes they two different types of wind speed indicators electronic and mechanical. For any reason the electronics failed the mechanical wind speed indicaotors would take over. Pilots trained on Boeing aircraft are required to pass Dead Reckoning which is way to figure position and air speed which allows the pilot to increase the speed thus preventing a crash like AF Flight 449. Only Airbus is stupid enough to have one system without a back up! Duh!
LottoWinner999 4 months ago
@LottoWinner999
Every Boeing plane has pitot tubes, idiot. And please show me those "mechanical wind speed indicators"! Had the pilots just done what every pilot learns to do in such a situation - climb thrust and 5° nose up - AF 447 would not have crashed. Even if they had done nothing, they would most likely still be alive.
blablubb12345 4 months ago
@blablubb12345 Don't lie the Pilots Union condemns the A330 Flying Piece of Shit With Two Wings and you know it. Boeing does give away its technology and they do use Pitot Tubes and see that Pilots Union accused Airbus and French Aviation Bureau for covering up that crash. Your full of bull shit as usual!
LottoWinner999 4 months ago
@LottoWinner999
You said that Boeing planes don't have pitot tubes, not me! Any proof for your statements about the "Pilots Union" or France covering up the crash?
blablubb12345 4 months ago
@LottoWinner999 Watch Air Crash Investigations episode about Birgenair 301 watch?v=tCoZSsiZSn8. One single Pitot/static system inoperatave... = crash and everybody died. The aircraft was a Boeing 757 which is, believe it or not, ... not an airbus. By the way, Airbus A320 has 3 pitot probes. One for each of the airspeed indicators. First officer, Captain and standby. (they are all entirely independant).
musicalaviator 4 months ago
@musicalaviator All 3 Pitot Tube + B-757 got the wrong signal from the Airport Beacon it was human error. Airbus has a problem that their Pitot Tubes freeze. How come the two copilots on that flight + captain could not do Dead Reckoning to figure Airspeed? Why cuz Airbus says computer does not fail. All Pitot Tubes failed on the flight + French Pilots Union put a warning a warning out on the A320. Air France just bought 25 B-787s as a protest against Airbus for not fixing defective A330s POS!
LottoWinner999 4 months ago
@LottoWinner999 Pitot probes don't have anything to do with an "Airpor beacon." Holy crap read and comprehend ANYTHING about how pitot probes work. They work the same on airbus, boeing, embraier, Tupolev and even bloody Cessna aircraft. The Birgenair 301 aircraft had 1 of its pitot tubes blocked by wasp wax and crashed. the Aeroperu 603 aircraft (a boeing 757) had all 3 pitot/static tubes/ports covered by sticky tape and crashed, and the Air France A330 had it's pitot blocked by ice & crashed
musicalaviator 4 months ago
@LottoWinner999 Fun Fact, The Pitot Tube was invented by Henri Pitot. A french scientist tasked with measuring the speed of water in the 1760s Modern aircraft use a Pitot-Static system, the word Pitot coming from the last name of the french 18th century scientist, and the word Static coming from "Static air pressure". Aircraft need to know the difference between the pressure of static (still) air and moving (ram) air to determine airspeed. Google it, wiki it. All planes from a 172 to 380 have em
musicalaviator 4 months ago
@LottoWinner999 first time in my life I hear of a pitot that receives signals......
Dead reckoning at fl 370 at night in a storm to figure out speed...
Google, coffins corner m8, will clear a few things about flying at high alt.
You are using words that do not even comprehend the meaning.
For your info an SB was issued for the pitot by airbus, how do I know?
I work with the damn machines.
365ways 4 months ago
@LottoWinner999 all aircraft have pitot even Boeing , just google b757 pitot tube
There are two different ways to indicate speed:
1.digital (EFIS)
2.analogue or mechanical as you wrote even airbus has an artificial standby horizon: again use the google search if you dont take everyones word here
to me it sounds that you have no clue of aviation or you are just a kid who is just trying to be smart
365ways 4 months ago
@365ways Airbus computer fucked by defective Pitot Tubers. 240 are killed by cheap Airbus technology and Air France Flight 447 was a waste of life. The French Pilots Union critisized Airbus for paying the French Aviation Bureau to cover up this accident. What don't U understand this was the fourth A330 to crash in this money and Australian Quantes had a close call with identical siuation. Accept it the A330 is defective POS(Piece Of Shit) with two wings that crashed. Airbus Sucks duck!
LottoWinner999 4 months ago
@LottoWinner999 When you say "Fucked" "Shit" and "Dick" all in the one post, you get blocked. Bie.
musicalaviator 3 months ago
@LottoWinner999 ok m8 you win..........computers that mess up pitot tubes............
365ways 3 months ago
@LottoWinner999 Retard
Pvjinflight 3 months ago
@Iceman1100x Its amazing Boeing always has a back up system and Airbus is so stupid it has defective Pitot Tube and no mecahnical back up. The pilots are not required to Dead Reckoning which have saved all those lives on Air France Flight 447 were wasted because is cheap. You depend on your mind not the computer and Airbus has not fixed this yet. French Aviation Board is covering this up for Airbus and the pilots union do not like the A330 because it has four crashes from defective Pitot Tubes.
LottoWinner999 4 months ago
@TheAusraelian What I am trying tell you is pilots should fly airplanes and not computers and to many people flying airbus have lost their lives because the computer crashed the planes while the pilot could not do any thing. A needless waste of life by Airbus!
LottoWinner999 4 months ago
@TheAusraelian Can U imagine the pilot on Air France 447 when the Ha-1000 computer said let me sing U a tune that I learned from 2010:Odyssey Computer Factory were psycohtic Hal-1000 sang," Daisy Mazey I'm so Crazy" and I'm flying the plane not U! Soon Airbus Dashbaord will have 1 switch, that says on and off & do not touch! Theres no place on Airbus to disconnect the computer and I know Airbus crashes are computer error. Thats why AF Flight 447 went down cuz the HAL-1000 went crazy like U.
LottoWinner999 4 months ago
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MichaelNewmann 6 months ago
@TheAusraelian Classically, you would pull the stick with your arm and this would pull on a series of levers and mechanical parts through the Aircraft to the flight control surfaces and this would raise the plane's nose. Fly-By-Wire is different in that, when you pull the stick, electrical sensors record the stick position and the plane computes the corresponding nose pitch. Electrical,Hydraulic or Pneumatic motors then powers the flight control surfaces accordingly, not the force of your arms.
WhiteKestrell 6 months ago
A320-100
Scandinavian92 7 months ago
i had this perception that during engine failure, the thing drops out of the sky.
PIECE2YOURMOTHA 7 months ago
With this, and other modern aircraft having all these 'Automatic' features I wonder if Pilots may suffer from 'skill decline', it seems the aircraft virtually fly themselves, it must get a little dull for the Pilots-perhaps they should have to fly a Gypsy Moth occasionally to keep the skills in order....
GalaxyHorse 8 months ago
i don't like the idea of fly by wire malfunctioning. i hope this technology is faultless
210482fmj 10 months ago
nice video 5/5
killmuster 10 months ago
Boeing is alot more safer then AirBus. I dont like the joystick on the Airbus. What if your right handed. The yoke is alot better!
chrissyboy129 11 months ago
@chrissyboy129
That's not true, plain and simple. Crash statistics of current Boeing and Airbus planes are more or less the same. You don't like the sidestick on Airbus planes? Have you ever flown one?
blablubb12345 11 months ago
@chrissyboy129 You have no idea what you're talking about. Even with conventional yokes, the pilot on the left flies with the left hand ONLY (leaving the right hand free for other tasks), and the pilot on the right flies with the right hand ONLY (leaving the left hand free for other tasks). I know, I'm an instructor.
llaughridge 9 months ago
@chrissyboy129 You have no idea what you're talking about. Even with conventional yokes, the pilot on the left flies with the left hand ONLY (leaving the right hand free for other tasks), and the pilot on the right flies with the right hand ONLY (leaving the left hand free for other tasks). I know, I'm an instructor.
llaughridge 9 months ago
alguém traduz esta merda por favor
Dibonfim100 11 months ago
@Dibonfim100 traduzi-lo sozinho.
musicalaviator 11 months ago
LOL so many Keyboard warriors............ By the way Boeing and Airbus are both good, both right and both safe.
pirculator 11 months ago
i doubt many realworld pilots argue on youtube about whats the best or worst technology. seriously youtube comment boxes will really soak up alot of ur time and waste it
1982FMJ 1 year ago 12
@1982FMJ Head off to pprune to see real world pilots do just that. a few less misconceptions. but still every bit as futile and biased.
musicalaviator 1 year ago
@musicalaviator Airbus is more modern and safer then boeing, thats hands down a fact, and even if your a real life boeing pilot you've got to live with it.
sonicfan7 1 year ago
Dude...i cant see any wire
soltanprivet 1 year ago
the next versions of Boeing and Airbus will require only one pilot. Well not exactly, there will be a pilot and a dog on the flight deck. The pilot's job will be to feed the dog and the dog's job will be to bite the pilot if he/she touches anything!
xango46 1 year ago 3
@xango46 ok i got the joke but...... i dont tink nyone alughed soooo...... not funny.
joshuan542 1 year ago
@xango46 nice, that really could be a great joke........
rajasimanta 1 year ago
YOU'RE ALL FUCKING RETARDS!!! Now shut up and watch the video, before I turn this car around!
joby613 1 year ago
i think we should experiment with different shaped side sticks. Imagine a side controler that was kind of an oval spherical shape and supported you're entire palm like a large trackball that you could roll. it might be more precise
1982FMJ 1 year ago
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1982FMJ 1 year ago
the ony thing i personaly dont like about airbus is the joystick, durring an emergency id rather have a yoke then a small joystick
theBLATTman21 1 year ago
RETARD, RETARD
TTDMFfreaknew 1 year ago
hmmmm, i don't know if i would like sitting in my car on a motorway doing 80mph without a steering wheel to hold on to, it just looks bazaar sitting there looking out the window pushing buttons without a steering wheel. it's like he's a passenger, I mean whats stopping them flying it remotley, do we even need a pilot on board. I think pilots rely on technology too much.
aberdeendeltaforce 1 year ago
People are criticizing the fly by wire system. But open yours eyes , a320 is killing the 737 over the last few years. And even boeing chosed fly by wire for the 777.
Splinter4zic 1 year ago 4
Why they don't just stick a PS3 controller in there and have done with it, I don't know. Then if both pilots had a heart attack, any 8 yr old kid could get us down safely.
kaferere 1 year ago 7
@kaferere When was the last time both pilots had a heart attack in flight?
2129261184 1 month ago
well done, what a great vid!
cheers, dom
dnhug 1 year ago
With all our thank to the wright brothers !
Mickycond86 1 year ago
a very enjoyable ten minutes
dunbustin 1 year ago
fly by wire is awesome!
guohouzuo 1 year ago
airbus a320 is a pilots-destroyer..fly-by-wire?? ohhh come on
gustavo87467357 1 year ago
And the engine failure PLS...
it's really sound cool!
Poyekali 1 year ago
There is only one word to describe this...Epic. Its about time they incorporated fighter technology into commercial. I liked the demonstration of hands free engine out take off. Until we perfect things like this there will always be pilots, you are not going anywhere. This was invented to help remove pilot error about time we let computers do the work and just supervise.
thermo1984 1 year ago
Awesome video, I love Airbus!! Is it true that you'll get a smoother ride with fly by wire, in terms of turbulence? That's what I've read.
dave4shmups 1 year ago
sorry bit of a noob here.
what is fly by wire? is it hydraulic controls?
feel free to call me noob
shababsta 1 year ago
@shababsta fly by wire means. no hyraulics. instead the system uses wires. and sensors. and its all controlled by electric motors.
anurek123 1 year ago
wrong. fly-by-wire doesnt mean no hydraulics, in fact a320, a330, a340 etc.. has 3 hydraulic systems, namely Green, Blue, and Yellow.
johnnycyyu 1 year ago
@shababsta. airbus works with an electronic interface and computers linked between cockpit and control surfaces, wires transmit signals to servo-motors which move hydraulic actuators. this is known as Fly-by-wire. since computers develop and validate commands, in order to maintain safety. those aircrafts are actually fully controlled by computers. airbus 320 family includes FBW as a standart. boeing uses a mechanical-hydraulic system, the 777 includes FBW, slightly different from airbus though.
cvhdrd 1 year ago
damn I love to fly A320.!!...especially A318
cruxader27 1 year ago
planes should have hijack mode once the computer senses that from a pilot like the buttton in the counter calling police when theres a robbery it locks controls and takes over to land in a safe place notifying air traffic control.
Rm4rs 1 year ago 30
Yeh that's never going to be hacked and used against legitimate pilot's wills! or crash into other aircraft... As we all know, 200 people against 5 terrorsits = the terrorists win. (because 200 people sit there and don't do anything... still... even after 9/11... )
Check out all hijack attempts since about 2002 onwards. They tend to have "Passengers subdued the hijacker" aka politically correct reportable "Bashed the bleep out of him"
musicalaviator 1 year ago
Airbus has the potential software yet ready and istalled in their planes. It just isen't used yet. And be happy for that, if you ever want to be a pilot as I am. But the technical arangements to fly an airbus remote, allready is reality. So if you still search a thing to be afraid of, there it is.
jantebaeck 1 year ago
@jantebaeck i dont get it
johnmunoz18 1 year ago
@Rm4rs so true cuz by the time 7500 is put in its too late
sk8rguy4life1123 1 year ago
you are an idiot
748cowboy 1 year ago
@Rm4rs that's what squawk 7500 is...
kevininsimi 1 year ago
@Rm4rs there are not enough hijackings to make any counterterrorism effort cost effective... guess the TSA doesn't know this either BWAHAHA. Seriously you can save more lives with better training since most accidents are due to pilot error.
mikel1982 1 year ago
@mikel1982 And more public awareness. cos hijackers seem to have an issue taking over the cockpit when 20+ people tackle them to the ground and pile on in a pseudo rugby scrum.
musicalaviator 1 year ago
@musicalaviator good idea! That would save those annoying TSA lines and their money if we just do it vigilante style. I just feel any effort to circumvent terrorism will in itself end up being circumvented. It's pretty obvious any attempt at protection is always circumventable, from real to computer virus', copyright protection, etc. It always partially relies on total human acceptance, and with humanity the way it is, this is never unanimous. There is always someone trying to break a barrier.
mikel1982 1 year ago
@musicalaviator
well its not a good idea to 'tackle' terrorists when you have any family member with you.
its better to let them get their fukn money and fly to cuba.
rebelpy 1 year ago
@rebelpy That's a rather pre-9/11 view of hijacking. Now we culturally 'expect' the terrorist to not ask for money and to fly somewhere else, but simply kill the pilots and then fly the plane into the ground/CBD of the nearest city, meaning certain death to all on board.
So 'risk of injury' vs 'certainty of death'.
musicalaviator 1 year ago
@musicalaviator
true
rebelpy 1 year ago
@Rm4rs and how would the plane land itself?
Hi8380 1 year ago
@Rm4rs your right, it should be,,,the way they should improve is by,supplying every major airport around the world with the ability to control flight landins such as a simulator thats linked to the aircraft thats in trouble,have the pilots to hit a certain button that will automatic control the aircraft to the next major airport,it wich will make the aircraft go into a auto control from the simulator,if u look back some of the test flights r simulated from the ground up back to the ground
nighttrain334 1 year ago
@nighttrain334 this will be a 99% chance every1 will live and the bad guys go to jail,but i guess money will be a problem ,cause i imagine itll be very expensive to do that,,,hey its just a thought!!!!!!!!!!!! ; ^ )
nighttrain334 1 year ago
@Rm4rs You're a retard.
SodomGomorrahWaDC 1 year ago
@Rm4rs that would be a transponder squawk of 7500.It wont land the plane,but believe me,you'll definitely get everybody's attention.And I mean everybody.Fox News will probably beat you to the field.
FoulOwl 1 year ago
@Rm4rs That's brilliant!
JamesB767 10 months ago
@Rm4rs without that " button " a hijacked plane has a 50% chance to land safety and without any passengers harm, with that "button", a highjacked plane has no hope.
Terrorist would go like, " ALAH AHAM MALEM I KEEL YOU! - boom! ".
airliner20 9 months ago
@airliner20
ROFLMAO!!
thnx ;D
devrajvarma 8 months ago
@Rm4rs without that " button " a hijacked plane has a 50% chance to land safety and without any passengers harm, with that "button", a highjacked plane has no hope.
highjackers would go like, " ALAH AHAM MALEM I KEEL YOU! - boom! ".
airliner20 9 months ago
@Rm4rs Yeah and the hijacker kills as much as possible until the police arrives...
akbas12 7 months ago
@Rm4rs A plane can't land itself! Fly by wire means the systems are controlled by computers with human input.
M1sterHamilton 6 months ago
@M1sterHamilton Yes they can! but Fly-by-wire has nothing to do...
marcelodelagoXD 6 months ago
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marcelodelagoXD 6 months ago
fly by wire frightens me. give me boeing puppet cables anyday
timefilm 1 year ago
Boeing has Electrically Run Hydraulics. Not cables. Perhaps you think the safest plane in the world is a Cessna?
Make sure you never get in a Boeing 777 - apparently they frighten you.
musicalaviator 1 year ago 28
hell no, i love planes. but yes the concept of electrics bothers me.... the same way digital media bothers me. you think all this stuff will be around forever without some sort of tangible back up?
timefilm 1 year ago
+ 787
federalfsx 1 year ago
@musicalaviator Or how about the new 787, 747-8 and 737-900 xD
sonicfan7 1 year ago
Frightens you? Well get used to it because Boeing have since implemented that technology into their aircraft starting with the 777 and continuing with the 787.
IngazZagni 1 year ago
It's probably frightening the airlines as well, which is why more and more airliners are buying it :P
ModelAirports 1 year ago
wow, thats amazing... and all this self control is when the autopilot is off?
daimasongoodspeed 1 year ago
I don't understand this left/right hand debate!
Boeing: the Pilot in command has the LEFT hand on the Yoke, the RIGHT hand on the throttle!
Airbus: the Pilot in command has the LEFT hand on the sidestick, the RIGHT hand on the throttle.
F/O in both planes v.v.
So it's the same in both, Airbus and Boeing.
FTStratLP 1 year ago 4
So if all the major flight control computers fail, does the plane inevitably crash, or can it still be flown?
EuropeFactor 2 years ago
@EuropeFactor yes hard to though
roryj123ok 1 year ago
Off course it can!
FTStratLP 1 year ago
@FTStratLP how can it? If there are no mechanical linkages between the cockpit and control surfaces, and all the computers controlling the flight surfaces fail...?
EuropeFactor 1 year ago
Boeing 787 fly by wire?
annemarthinsen 2 years ago
good video ...very informative..helped me a lot to understand something abt FLY BY WIRE SYSTEM..THNX
jesilrahman 2 years ago 2
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biggest thing that scares me about flying is that you are being kept alive by artificial conditions i.e pressurised cabin. It keeps you comfortable barely but it is pretty bad. I hate what the cabin air does to the skin on my hands. It is by no means healthy for you.
Lunarlaserranging 2 years ago
The body is also more susceptible to things like blood clots....
OrisLover 2 years ago
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its ok but sometimes when you're sat in the plane you can't help thinking this is horrible. All that pressure you can feel on you're body. if you can move about regularly its not so bad but most often people get rude when you ask them to move if you have a window seat. if you shut you're eyes in flight it feels slightly disorinatated as a passenger. there's some things i like about flying but others that i hate. also the incresed uv exposure isnt too good
Lunarlaserranging 2 years ago
Ok.
OrisLover 2 years ago
Increased UV exposure? Your inside a metal tube dude. Thats like claiming sunburn for staying inside too much. Try Vitamin D Deficiency instead. Only bad thing is the fact that the pressurized air lacks most of it's humidity/moisture. (hence the skin issue mentioned in your previous post). Disorientation? Sounds like an inner ear disbalance if you ask me. That "not entirely flat" sensation isn't a sensation, it's a fact that the 'floor' of the plane isn't perpendicular to gravity in flight
musicalaviator 2 years ago
one interesting point about cabin air is the fact that the air compressors which provide the cabin air use normal oil & fuel. FOr example oxygen masks and inline breathing masks used for spray painting clearly state that the air provided must be from compressors that use mineral oil as well as being filtered. aircraft air may be filtered but the air is not provided by technology that uses mineral oil like the reccomendations for breathig equipment and diver air. cabin air is filthy
Lunarlaserranging 1 year ago
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all of this just takes all the fun out of flying :( this system will soon make lots of commercial pilots redundent as computers will soon fly themselves... i would definatly NOT get in a plane without a pilot!
phelanio 2 years ago
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Words, words, words...The question is: if the Airbus is so perfect, why on earth last june 2009 one of them crashed down in the Atlantic Ocean just off the coasts of Brazil, killing so many people?
MrBallarin23 2 years ago
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Pilot error.
gamesfreak26 2 years ago
@MrBallarin23 What's better then?
ckyliu 2 years ago
@ckyliu maybe he thinks B737's (and that rudder hardover problem which destroyed 3 so far) are better. What was their solution to the rudder hardover again? oh yes, put a thing in the manual "If The rudder goes hard over use any and all force neccicary to maintain attitude". Apparently putting words in a book managed to fix that problem. lol.
musicalaviator 2 years ago
Do Airbus aircraft have autotrim?
fsxexpert 2 years ago 4
@fsxexpert Yes. It's an integral part of the FBW system. The only time you need to trim the aircraft in normal operations is before takeoff
ckyliu 2 years ago
That is an awesome feature, I never knew that
fsxexpert 2 years ago
not just autotrim... but yes, you don't need to operate trim manually. Centre position of the stick is "Maintain current attitude" (Except in conditions where such an attitude would lead to an overspeed, stall or is futher than 33 degrees bank or 10 nose down or 25 nose high)
This is even true when 1: speeding up or slowing down, 2: adding or removing flap 3: in turbulent chop 4: assymetrical thrust. etc.
musicalaviator 2 years ago
Thanks for this video, very informative. I understand FBW more now, used to be a Boeing lover, but I think they're more like even. Cheers!
omar2726 2 years ago
i wonder if boeing will have something similar to alpha protection on the 787 or will they rely on the pilots still if i had to pick id say airbus over boeing
crapper1 2 years ago
Alpha Prot? no probably not. Boeing seem to like to have their throttle move around with little servo motors, and that's not particularly conductive to Alpha Prot. Not that that's a bit part of FBW anyway. Even the MD11 has it's version of Alpha Protection.
777 (and 787 of course) are however Fly by Wire... as in the controls are tempered by a computer.
"Yes but they can turn them off" you say
"Google 'Alternate Law and Direct law A320' I say"
Turn it off when theres no need to? bye bye job
musicalaviator 2 years ago
I´m not a pilot or anything close. But this technology is amazing!
As a child a had some opportunities to see a cockpit inside. Mostly 747´s and some of Airbuses (but I don´t remeber the names).
Man, were are all the control buttons gone?
:-)
Fascinating!
DimljenaRiba 2 years ago
One thing you really have to adjust to in the Airbus is the way the control function on it coming off of another airplane in particular. IE flying a crosswind landing. You dont want to kick the crab out till around 20 feet or less. Also, people tend to want to "hold" the stick. Depending on what law your in you put the wing at an angle and it will hold that angle for you. People walk all over the place in crosswinds alot when they are new in the bus I find
Learjetjock 2 years ago
The Airbus is really an outstanding airplane. I came off of the Airbus for the Embraer at my company and though the 190 is a nice airplane the Airbus is really a solid pilots plane. Very automated but not overly so when you know your airplane. You can do anything a Boeing or an Embraer can do and in many cases better. It will not let you kill yourself if you get into a jam.
Learjetjock 2 years ago
for a right handed person, operating the joy stick with the left hand would be a problem.
Xiber1 2 years ago
and that would be the captain
BreakB97598 2 years ago
What's harder? pushing a stick up down left and right, or dancing between throttles, flaps, speedbreak, Autopilot controls, dialling exact digits using a rotary nob at a fair rate of speed
It's always struck me as backwards, People think "OMG holding the stick in the left hand is going to be so hard to fly the plane, cos then only my right hand is able to operate tiny nobs with high precision, obviously my left hand is so much more dexterous than my right.
Imo Rightseat is at the disadvantage
musicalaviator 2 years ago
I think that's opinion. Like you stated, the UK is left-handed. For the US, the yoke is better. If you want to get into dancing. Isn't the yoke closer to said controls?
scaremenga 2 years ago
And you come from the USA... What hand do you have on your Steering wheel when you drive? and what hand do you have on your Gear Shift (assuming you drive a car with a manual gearbox)
Now think about your statement in that context. What hand do you have on the Stick (left) what hand do you have operating the MCDU, Throttles, Radios, MCP autopilot controls, Flaps, Slats, Speedbreak
For a Left handed person, operating the joystick with the left hand may be a problem IMO, not the other way around
musicalaviator 2 years ago
fyi, 95 percent of vehicles which also includes buses are automatic transmission in USA, I usually use my right hand on the wheel, no gears to shift. yoke is a better way to fly than with a joy stick.
Xiber1 2 years ago
Why debate the issue when you are obvioulsy not an Airbus pilot.
It all comes down to training and seeing how successful Airbus is, and the number of Airbus aircraft in the sky I guess flying using your left hand on the control stick is not a problem.
Airbus have 50,000 engineers in their staff that know more about design and aircraft than either you or I.
whitireia 2 years ago
you talk a lot of shit
TKDonny 2 years ago
Not a all...during the formation with smaller aircraft we are always on the left seat (except sometimes for crew coordination in simulator...) so we are used to have the left hand on the wheel or the stick and to have the right hand free for something else...and for the few wheeled plane ive saw, on the left seat the communation button and the ap control were on the left side so designed to be used by the left hand.just a matter of training
braorius 2 years ago
No it wont, it feels normal.
Gamestar11 2 years ago
boeing sucks
there has never been an accident with an A319
saved83 2 years ago
but with a A320 ;)
user3098304 2 years ago
hmm.. maybe because there are more Boeings in service than Airbuses?
carl7ritchie 2 years ago
Uncommanded Rudder hardover? vs max alpha protection misunderstanding of modes with autothrottle off. (or 3000ft stall-spin test with 12000ft minimum reccomended for that test by the manufacturer handbook? ... hmm..)
musicalaviator 2 years ago
lol 320 ratings
TonkatrainHONKHONK 2 years ago
was that "not a pilot" comment aimed at me? or Xirux01?
tubbystace 2 years ago
to concern people with on aircraft with the "what if's" truth of the matter is, FBW has caused massively more good than bad and was intended to give Pilots more mental capacity when dealing with stressful situations. Do a GPWS scape manouver in a conventional aircraft then in the 320 and you will see how much spare capacity you have for other things. Yes, FBW has its faults, but its a damn good and PROVEN system.
tubbystace 2 years ago 7
fire, tell you to kill the burning engine 2 leaving you with a rather heavy glider, potentially after take off) So there is no magic solution that is going to be fluid and intelligent enough to have a perfect outcome in every situation and thats why PIlots are there in the first place. As far as FBW dropping people into trouble with it's protections inappropriately activating, well look at how many airbuses there are in service and have never had that issue. Generally there are bigger things...
tubbystace 2 years ago
The truth of the matter is nothing is perfect, if you are looking for an aircraft which is going to get you out of every single eventuality imaginable then you wont ever find one. I have flown both Boeing and Airbus and they both have faults and merits, Boeing might not display failures as prominently as it should do (Turkish 737-8 RA1 fault on Autoland in EHAM) whereas ECAM on the 'bus can lead you into trouble too (eg. if you get an engine 1 fail and an engine 2 fire, it will prioritise the...
tubbystace 2 years ago 2
I can tell you this, when the weakness shows. and you cant turn off or reboot the computer. you are toast. and this is one more thing i wonder about. do you really dare to turn off the computer in flight. If there are something wrong whit it. And how can terrorist use this fly-bywire in the future. better be safe then dead. and it seems like boeing is the more responsible company. sadly they are a bit slow too.
xirux01 2 years ago
Well xirux, it is not that 1 computer controlls the entire aircraft.
For each task there are multiple identical computers. So if 1 fails, the other(s) can take over.
It is wrong to say that the computers are in control, they aid the pilot in flying the aircraft.
If for whatever reason one or more computers fail, the A320 can revert back to more rudimentary modes as "Alternate law" and "Direct law"
In the last case the aircraft will directly react to the controls as if it was a 737.
unusmultorumm 2 years ago
Does it have mechanical backup systems for primary flight controls? What happens if computers fail?
EuropeFactor 2 years ago
The A320 has mechanical backup for the stabilizer and rudder.
If one or more computers fail the A320 can revert automatically to a lower level of protection and guidance.
The lowest level is Direct Law.
In this mode the pilot directly control the flight surfaces without any computer interferance.
unusmultorumm 2 years ago
@EuropeFactor Direct law happens if computers fail. Electronic impulse from the stick directly correlates to the hydraulic commands to the surfaces.
If all electronics fail including RAT (Nuke anyone?) then Airbus will be the same as boeing. Hydraulics lost and you are controlling the engines with the only ability to turn from differential thrust.
Finally there have been at least 3 aircraft loose all hydraulics. DC10, 747 and A310. only 1 had no deaths... A310.
musicalaviator 1 year ago
@musicalaviator damn, awesome arguing man
Jebucristo 1 year ago
@EuropeFactor
computer fail ? contact windows :)
grantourismo0109 1 year ago
@xirux01 Funny that. If United 93 or American 11 or United 175 were Airbus A320's instead of 767's and 757's... what would have happened?
OVERSPEED OVERSPEED (aircraft pulls up and cuts throttle to get out of the overspeed protection range) - that exact action is demonstrated in this very video.
September 11 2001 in an Airbus = Terrorists miss the WTC and Pentagon. In the case of WTC they could hit it slowly, but Pentagon, I doubt they could hit it with the gear and flaps up!
musicalaviator 1 year ago
So i dont really care what they think.. It´s what the pilots thinks about the aeroplanes. and the pilots have raised concerns about the automatic figures onbord the airbus planes too. read some and you will see how many complaints from pilots there are.why do you think airbus installed a rumbel function on there joysticks(it was because the pilots complaint because they couldn´t fell how the aeroplanes behaved in the air.)
xirux01 2 years ago
Airbus and fly by wire is here to stay and their safety record matches Boeing, so why these pointless Boeing versus Airbus arguments. Fly by wire is also a feature of the Triple 7.
arthurmee 2 years ago 2
Ok get this clear. I didn´t say anything about, fly-by-wire is going to disappear. I only want you. People that adore Airbus and fly-by-wire to think about the risk. that airbus put passangers through. because there are always a risk whit new technology. and it might be better whitin some areas. but sadly they rushing it to much whit the commersial aeroplane market. and thoes crashes that have happen prove that. i really like advances. but not to fast. security first and then money
xirux01 2 years ago
so u would rather holt the world for ur own concerns. the system is safer. it stops the pilot killing every1. its only the old school pilots who really comp;ain because they are not computer literate and the young pilots who get an earful from the old guys. im guessing ur 1 of those 2
eurofighter110 2 years ago
I think your concerns about the potential dangers of new technology with regard to Fly by wire are overblown. It is tried and tested and I for one have been a passenger on Airbusses and trust FBW as much as I would any other system on other types of aircraft that have been in existence much longer and still from time to time, fail.
Still you are entitled to your opinion.
arthurmee 2 years ago 3
I'd like to add that the pilot him or herself can be viewed as a system that can fail. FBW, seeks to minimise the potential problems of the 'human system' Records show that FBW does this. Eurofighter110 makes this point inn his comment below.
arthurmee 2 years ago
FBW is hardly a new technology. It has been utilised in the A320 now for some 21 years since 1988 from the first delivery of the A320.
There are now 4000+ examples of A320 flying or have flown and they aren't falling out of the sky.
Fly by wire is a proven tried and tested system.
It is also often utilised in military aircraft and is also now used in the 777 and the new 787 being built right now.
whitireia 2 years ago 3
@xirux01 Yes groundbreaking state of the art technology. My, it's only 20 years old! Way too early to put it into an actual plane!
musicalaviator 1 year ago 2
@xirux01
Boeing 777 and 787 are fly-by-wire too.
johnnycyyu 1 year ago
@xirux01 umm do you know anything about these systems at all? They're more reliable, safer, lighter and more comfortable for the passengers than a classical control aircraft with pulleys and cables. And there's more redundancy.
mikel1982 1 year ago
@mikel1982 Yes i do, That´s the sad part about it. I know more then i wish i would. It´s really hard to fly/travel when you know to much about the aeroplane you fly whit..
xirux01 1 year ago
in the start the landing gear are down at a really high altitude. like at 0:01
QantasFan747 2 years ago
Have everybody forgotten about the airbus 320 that crashed in the paris airshow. do you know why it did that? it was because of glish in the fly-by-wire system. No automatic/computerized system is safe. but the fly-by-wire system airbus uses. disconnect the pilot from control. if the computer calculate that the pilot endanger the aeroplane. that´s the point why airbus uses it. to make the aeroplanes safer.sadly airbus it´s not that easy.you erase one problem. and you create ten..
xirux01 2 years ago
Nup. Nobody forgot. Anti Airbus Proponents have previously in this very comment section said it was caused by "A computer glitch" and not by "the pilot retarding the throttles in landing mode, disarming the autothrottle, then pulling max alpha to maintain altitude, hoping the Autothrottle system which was now off and disarmed, would go into Alpha Floor and power up. Unfortunatley in this mode, (landing/flare Throttles retarded and disarmed) Alpha Floor is not available. so it couldn't climb.)
musicalaviator 2 years ago
I heard another story from airbus. that they blamed there programers. to have made a mistake. and they have fixed it. but i dont believe that. after the last airbus crashes in the dominican republic and the indian ocean. i think that glish has re-appeared. and till airbus can prove the opposite. i´m going to prefer boeing instead of airbus
xirux01 2 years ago
Yeh, the computer locked in touchdown mode and because the Autothrottle was disabled, even though he set full thrust (way late, but still enough to maybe pull out from) the flight reigeme did not come out of flare/landing mode, so did not let the aircraft pull up to maximum climb/aoa, limiting it to the pitch for tail ground clearance, expecting descent (although now with engines spooling up to takeoff thrust). TOGA and aborted landing modes (and sensing) were subsequently changed.
musicalaviator 2 years ago
ive done alot of aviation research and i have never heard of max alpha and alpha floor sound like alot of rubbish please fill me in on these "terms phrases"
aeroguy86 2 years ago