Dystixws auth ine h Istoria ths Elladas mas. 5000 xronnia twra oi Varvaroi prospathoun na mas svhsoun apo th Gh. Theloun na svhsoun th glwssa mas, th tautothta mas kai thn Istoria mas. Hsixia den 8a vroume loipon gia aito prepei na eimaste etimoi gia polemo.
oli silebon se mas h monkeydonia mas antigrafoun h tourkia then mas xonebi nomisoun oti h xora mas einai dikia tous kai h albania :P 8eloun na paroun ena komati kratous h tourkia mas polimane akoma stelnoun aroblania sto egeo ta ka8armata sto mellon sigora afti 8a arxisoun ton polemo meta fyrom kai meta 8a tous gamisoume !!!
Mou pesane 8akres pou 8iabasa afto to komati tou Strati.
Re pe8ia ti mas kanoun...epitrepete re gamoto na mas kanoune opos 8eloun ti emaste emis...ti kako tous exoume kani...8en mas afinoun eisixous sto laston...ti prepi na kanoume yia na mas afisoun to dopo ke emas esixi re gamoto
sprognoun ke sprognoun apo mia akri o Turkos, tin ali o Monkeydonski, ka tin ali plevra o Albanos.
come and get them....if you got balls..i mean real men balls..and do not hide your pussy braves behind yours Godfathers ...like....George Sorros drawers.....M.Albright...the.U SA...Henry Kissinger...the damned Zion tribes...calls Jewish...!
This goes to the Greeks of America and arround the world to know.
This sunday there will be a meeting in the Univercity of Macedonia here in Thessaloniki about the Macedonians and the rest of the Greeks who live in Fyrom.A new book will be presented abou this We will discuss further more actions and ways to notify the UN and help the Greeks there.
Αυτη την Κυριακη συγκεντρωση στο πανεπιστημιο ΜΑΚΕΔΟΝΙΑΣ για ενημερωση οσον αφορα τους Ελληνες στα Σκοπια κ τις δρασεις που θα ακολουθησουν για το θεμα.Οσοι μπορουμε καλο ειναι να παραβρεθουμε εινα μια αρχη.
We only defend the truth fanatically. We are not racists either. I believe ALL Greeks would love to have you as neighbours. There were NO problems between us until Skopje began making false claims.
Yes i agree with that to have one comision from UN to be sended to Macedonia to check that out,and after that the same comision to go in Greece to check the minority in Greece!
What do you say greeks is that fer enaught for you?
YES OR NO?
"Greeks" in Macedonia?haha This is Joke of the year 2008!
I wish this to became oficial statment from your governemt that in Macedonia have "greeks" and to send an comision from UN!
Send the UN to the president of Ouranio toxo in Greece Pavlos Voskopoulos to hear him saying that his parents were greek by he is "macedonian" for political reason
plus his has no country or religion , what a jerk!
im sorry for this but you know it i know it everybody knows it..The thing is what will happen with the Greeks there this is what we care.And btw thanks to people like you the Greeks are so united so thanks aloteWe need you from time to time!
thanks to people like you this country will never have a future,thanks to people like you my boss and many other bussines are thinking to move to Albania and Bulgaria and thanks to people like you in a couple of decades the Great Albania will be trouth..
What ptriotism and who does not exsists??Are you kiting me or your self??There is not such thing in Fyrom its all about money and propaganda in the end and you know it.What is happening there is fasism from some confused people like you and your priminister..The reall patriots are those 100.000 who took the Bulgarian passports and the thousands who waits for it.! and the stupid thing is that thanks to people like you this country is colapsing..
I guess your propagandists what tells you people all this years it that this is happening because of the properties or something.??LOL!!I know man its not your fault everybody here in Greece are saying this dont worrie.Even Karamanlis(which you people should know that he is considered to be traitors for the Macedonians and all the Greeks and only for the fact that he agosieds the name)told you people:GO TO THE COURTS.We are after the Turks on those things for 40 years now..Good luck..
N.Epirus was demanded by the Roman Catholic church and Italy to be Albanian, after Greece repatriated N.Epirus. The church does not give a damn whether they were Greek or not. Those Greeks suffered shortly after and especially under Hoxa cutting off Albania to the rest of the world much ethnic cleansing of Greeks took place. I have spoken to many survivors that left who became extended family.
It started in US it will be continued here in Greece starting from Thessaloniki!We just started to organise on this matter.Btw the name is Fyrom and im sorry for what is happening to you people i really do..
Well i will tell you something.Because my goverment are traitors(they are finished in the next elections this matter was the end of them)and only the fact that they igosiate with you its a treason for Macedonians and all the Greeks,but since they cant do anything,we will do something.
But the thing is what can they do now?What can you do in a country who is show fanatished,in a country wich when you say something like:Im Bulgarian Macedonian and if you are girl they fucken rip you?In a country that in they kill eachother in the elections?In a country that the priminister is forcing the busines to change every script to Slavic,and in a country that when you want to take your name back they tell you that it cant happen and they find excuses??How can these people talk??
If your Leader Nina Gatsulis says the World is Flat would you also believe it. I lived in Macedonia for 16 years, and there was one Greek kid that we loved in our school and respected. But the rest were mostly Aromans/Vlachs - those are a separate nation and people and are not Greek unless they claim to be. In Macedonia Vlachs are Vlachs and speak Arman not Greek.
And please at last support your claims with facts not fiction! Viva Rep of Macedonia!
The problem with people like you is that you lived till you 16 in this country..Man you know nothing trust me..I wont talk about history or any of those things xause i know that it pisses you off,LOL!!but i will tell you just this.I visited many times your country and specially Monastiri and Kumanovo(for bussines mostly)and i know that there are THOUSANDS of Greeks(Macedonians ofcourse) there,the problem is that about 60 years ago they changed their names for some reasons..
What is your problem Hellenic Americans? Macedonia is independent state now. Currently there is only one Macedonia in modern times. Don't give me any 2000 yr old crap. Today there is a Republic of Macedonia and Republic of Greece. If you have a problem with that then get educated and accept the reality. We will not change our name under any circumstances. Why don't you change your name of Macedonia to Macedonia-Northern Greece, Or South Macedonia, since you want us to use North Macedonia.
Yes i agree with that to have one comision from UN to be sended to Macedonia to check that out,and after that the same comision to go in Greece to check the minority in Greece!
What do you say greeks is that fer enaught for you?
Dont play stupid with me know ok?Except if you are stupid.The reason that this is not happening is because we have a name issue in case you forgot it.The reason the Greek goverment dont give the Greek citizenships to your people is first of all because they are not Greeks(we are not talking about this people we we say we will help them,we dont care about you Slavs ok?)
Second you cant say im Macedonians and Greek as if it is something diferent this is the reason.
Hahahaha!!! Every nationality in Macedonia have the rights. And that is well known to whole the world.
Who's gonna believe this xenophobic propaganda??? Are you people still believe that in the time when the world has become global village you will win your Don Kihot battle with this kind of crab?
Solun it is in your bulgarian dialect. Even if it is to be, it will be with real indigenous greek macedonians and not with bulgaroserboalbanians like you. With Macedonians, decendents of the ancients who speak the language of their fathers, because we know where we come from...
What is up now the cat eat your tongue?In Grekia have no minority!hahaha Balkan country with no minority.That is paradox!Dont call us fascist,please look in your mirors,do you see Hitler there?Greeks recived all copy rights on the word and meaning FASCIST!
Hehehe afcorse i'm joking with you,NO greeks in Macedonia.We have Albanians,Turks,Vlach and Serbs.Thay have education on there language,thay are presentet in our Parlament thay work as Ministers in our Government,thay freely declare there nationality in cenzus.What more rights to give tham?
And what about your country where live 98% "Greeks"?
My map's are not mine i downloaded from Italian history site about time of Roman Empire!Sorry!;)You call Italians facists?Your flag is given from the Brits and Germans what is fascist about that?
At last!!!It was about time to organise to help the thousands of Macedonians and the other Greeks in this little Bush protectorat.This is only the begining,here in Thessaloniki there are already moves to organise better on this issue!!Well done again Greeks in US and arround the world!
We do everiting in our power to protect that Gipses who we call Greeks!ok?In Shutka have Gipses and thay have legal status even in our Constitution are mentioned as a nation Romi!;)What about the rights on your minority's?
Πιστεύω στην αλήθεια, αλλά δεν το μίσος και τον πόλεμο
I believe in justice and truth but not in hate en war.
I believe that the one we must attack is the goverment ( THEY ARE THE PEOPLE THAT LIE) of our always was and has bin MACEDONIA IS GREEK AND WIL STAY GREEK
The Emperor Konstantinos created the Medioalnean treatment in 367 to stop the inside war within the Byzantine Empire.
It was normal if you think it, Christians fought
Pagans in the divide of the Roman Empire and the Eastern Roman became the craddle of Hellenism Byzantine with capital the emperors name Kostantinos.
And yes what happened after the win of christians but after centuries of opression it was a thing to do, margue as it is shoothed the souls of the victorious.
Have a nice day then I will wait for your responce.
Free religion and exception do not much, truth must be one and absolute or it is not truth at all.
In the whole Roman Empire paganism was the only religion no one was affected by the religions of Mesopotamians,Normands,Egyptian and Israeleans.
Now if you are telling that all the qoncuered people where free of religion it is partially right as a mena to give them a manner of freedom but they were forced to worship Emperor.
sorry going toi have to contiue this later i have visitors. wont be back till tomorrow but rather than just poke at it please think of your reponses rather than just throw insults at me. these are all from reliable sources not just pipedreams or me trying to put my dreams and or wishes on a screen that will be scrolled off anyway.
That alphabet was used by many in the area and not all considered themselves to be or were ever thought of as being hellenes.
There were anything up to 4 olympics going at any one time depending on who was waring or aligned with who.
Indeed the romans, after there conquest of the macedonians in the 3 macedonian wars participated in the games. they stopped being hellenic then as not only hellenes played in them.
cont...) you speak of the religiouse freedom of the later roman empire in the 4th century AD. Freedom of religion was a constant throughout the romans history. christianity was the only exception those people(our predecessors) were victimsed and persecution. the freedom you speak of was in fact that to stop this persicution as that was when the first emperor converted to christianity. interestingly it was when many other religions were outcast and more to the point the pagan olypics were banned.
these games were not played again until the 1800s ad and then they were the idea of a frenchman and not restricted to hellenes as they were then there only the olypics by name.
I have gave you 5 non Greek sources of why Macedonia is Hellas Alexander the Great has proven to be a Hellen himself, the Latins call us Greeks because the first Hellenic man they ever show was Grecus son of Defkalion and Pyra and one of the progenitors of the Greek tribe allong side with their other som Hellenas
Seconldy you say Hellenism is a religion when could not be more wrong Hellenism is a nation Term, Im Athenean, he is Spartan,the other is Korinthian all of us are Hellenes.
And your claim Apollon be the Greek version of Amon Ra us just ridiculus, because if the Greek son of Light is Egyptian while his life was tottaly different what stops you from thinking he was Mahadeva the light of lights on Indian religion?
Second Iam connected with Macedonians like I am with Spartans,Epirotans,Argeians,Doriens and Mycyneans.
He only killed Gefyreans in Thebes a city he believd his fathers murderes were, and lets no forget he forgave them the first time he forgave Athenians both times.
But he had to give an example so no rebellion was at his hand during his fight in Persia.
And the first one Phillip killed and sold where Macedonians that makes him not Macedonian?
you place great importance in the greek alphabet and language linking the macedonians to the greeks.you also boast about that alphabet being found throughout the mediterrainian.which is true but that alphabet was used by many different people and most of them did not call themselves hellenes.That alphabet was not,repeat not,invented by the greek or improved in any way by them. your only true cdlaim to it is that you still use it now with only some more modern variations
First of all Alexander himsle said he was Greek, all the ancient historians of antiquity prove his say, only Demosthenes Phillips dire enemy dare told otherwise.
"For I (Alexander I) myself am by ancient descent a Greek, and I would not willingly see Hellas change her freedom for slavery." (Herod. IX, 45, 2 [Loeb]) .
and alexander was not aware of the word "greko" that was a roman name for the greeks. they were the first to call macedon Macedonia the IA suffix is for the the Land Of it is latin.
and as you have said he WAS a hellene in its religious context. as you have said HELLENISM was a RELIGION.
...cont 3) Many of you post comments in great detail of his speach to his army after his defeat of the persians. what you all fail to see is that he did it over the carcases of 5,000 "greeks" who fought on the persian side. it puts that speech in to very hard context it was a warning not a declaration of his "greekness".
You correctly identified hellenism as a religion but that was all it was, it was not an entity nor a nation but just an area of common religion. cont...)
...cont 4) your major problem(ie the greeks) is that you believe that the terms greek and hellene are interchangeable they are not as hellene to the ancients was something very different as you know but attempt to gloss over it to validate your claims. your fooling no one because you keep telling us to go read a book and we have read many. there just not the ones you wanted us to read.
now you did not read what i said. what makes you think the macedonians were greek. your own scrolls state that they were barbarians. that they did not speak greek but a language similar. as i have said religion does not make them related as those gods were not purely greek. 3 of the so important 12 were of egyption origen one namely apolo was anything but greek in origen. so religion does not link people anymore than it does now.(cont...)
...cont 2) The macedonians are after all orthodox yet you do not feel your connected.
The only time you felt connected to them was when philipII, king of macedonia defeated the greek city states." Ah the greeks just dont know how to win" was what he said when the battle turned in hies favour.
Alexander killed or sold every man woman and child in the greek city state of Thebes when they thought him to be a greek and killed the macedonian govenor and garrison there. cont...
1.Old testimony (Daniel and Maccaveans chap. 1 1-10 declares Alexander and Macedons us Greeks.
2.Stravon (Gegraphical,7) "Macedonia is also Greece"
3.(Arrianus,Indian,4,33 page 195) When (sailors of Nearchus) show the man here (India), wearing Greek armor and speak Greek their eyes overflowed with tears. He said them he was from Alexanders aremy and he was not far.
4.Titos Livios (history of Rome book XXX par.XXIX) Aitoleans Akarneans and MAcedonians men of same language....
now tell me what makes a greek then tell me why you are greek in plain english.if Your arguments are that they shared common language, alphabet and religion. then they are ridiculouse when you consider that your using the Latin Alphabet and the English language to do so my Orthodox brother. It links us then no more than now.
all you have done is state the meaning of macedonia. that does not prove your a greek. it soes not prove your not justa pontusian refugee pretendeing to be greek it does not prove your a albanian reufgee pretending to be apartan.
and as you said the turks didnt arrive until around 1000ad. but what were they before that if not persians. that still dosnt put pontusi within greece that did not arrive until 1820ad.
there still ponyusians. never macedons. and what does "etymology" mean then.
First of all i understand the etymological meanind of the word "Macedonia" and all of its inhabittands.
THey are Greek I can understand them because I am Greek you on the other hand are a gyftoalbanoslavian from vardaska and would never understand them.
And Persians where deeper in Asia than turks today, we had a lot of cities on Asia Minor after the Achaics defeat Troyans Pontians where leaving where Troy was from 3000 BC.
now explain "entymology" i understood that to be the study of insects.and all these peoples were aware of macedonians.including the turks you fool. your comments show that you do not understand half of what im saying.
now prove your anything but a pontusian pretender. dont bother me of stories about the bulgars that were in greece nor the slavs that were in greece or the turks or the venetians or thee albanians or the vlachs or the romans or the macedonians. or the germans or the persians or the italians.
from now on rather than repeating myself i will refer you back to my comments. rather than answer my questions you state exactly what i say then pretend it was u all along . tyoicak stalling tactics. id rather the took time to answer with a logical qyestion than play that silly game. so prove your own entymology before you ask others pontusian.
now prove your ancestry before you ask others to because thats the way it works. anyway of shutting this preening goats singing. belly dancers spring to mind
now when i listen to the music on this vid i hear a very distinctive middle eastern influence sounds more turkish than anything else. so does common culture link you to them?.....
apart from the pontusian link of course:-)
ah the pontusians are so funny. your a comedy of errors, non macedonian, are you not?
so prove to me greeces entymology before you ask of anyone elses.
that all Balkans have common musical roots not my fault.
Oh and dont bring your "friends" the turgaylanders in the conversation because their official documents from 1700 AD when they wanted to know what populations lived under the ottoman empire they confirmed the below.
now explain to me the concept of, "greek" easter "greek" christmas "greek" "greek"baclavar and not forgetting the important "greek" alphabet that"links"them. The hellenic ("Greek") religion that links them all.lol before "greek" st patricks day please. oh yes lol the egyption pyramids were built by the "greeks" because pyramid is a "greek" word according to the "greek' prophet realmacedonianGr.yep the "greek"apollo missions while were at it. LOL A GREEK TRAGEDY/COMEDY IN 1
Yeah from the prespective of someone whose country claims that Cleopatra was "Macedonian" you have a lot of nerv gyftoalbanoslavian wannabe Macedonian.
as for the language...Why do we call it the "greek"alphabet when the greeks did not invent it or contribute to it in any way. As the world knows examples of it are found throughout the eastern mediterainian and it is thought that it was from the area where modern day Lebanon is.
So what makes it "greek" and from what i have just said how does this prove macedonia was "greek"?
how does finding this alphabet on macedonian coins make alexander and Philip "greek"?
Macedonians did not have "greek" names they had names with religiouse themes helenism by definition is a religion.
Having hellenic names did not make them "greek".
examples
Yannis = John
Petros = Peter
Using your special logic that would make a lot of "greeks" jewish.
Anyone over the age of 10 knows that people having the same relgion In no way makes them the same related let alone mean they got along my christian brother.
so pontusian your lesson is done for the day. you aint woth a macedonias nail clippings you little coward.
silly nation of pretender pontusian refugees . when the fighting starts there army marches in there pom pom booties, white stockings, pleated skirts topped with a pom pommed pixie hat. met with wolf whistles as allways as they make fine mothers for the turds that come out of there accomadating backsides.
lol the paper tiger army blown over when theres a hint of battle.
oh yeah i said you may keep the name fetta that cheese was invented in the middle east so you have a right to keep it. that is where your from pontusian refugee.
you can keep cretan to because that is an insult in english and every other language spoken by man pontusian.
youve countered my staements my arse yopu have tito drinking with hitler was a wank.
lebanon being part of an israeli nation 2000 yrs before isreal existed was a joke. vardar is in pontusian heads.
your quoting ancient sources in a moder context is a joke.
your counters count to nothing. pontusian beggar.
Now with greeces very mixed blood and dissjointeds history tell me why we should let you redfugees call yourselves greek. why you should be alowed to usse the word hellene or even fetta.
Israelians existed long before they were a state moron are you saying otherwise?
All the states and all the letters from 1930 called you like you were calling yourself "Vardaska Magovena" the stamps on official skopian latters can back me up.
Im still waiting to see the etymology of Macedonia, what was Karanos's the progenitor of Macedonian's language and what language symolise the coins
go back and read my comments regarding the ireal tribes. your epeating my words. isreal did not exist befor 1948.
now as you know macedonia was under the serbs in the 30s so is it there stamps you speak of?
They were and still are your partners in crime and you have the hide to speak of human rights pontusian.
"Skopian newspaper archives nuff said" about what? your a very confused little refugee. and why am i expected to give an "etymology of Macedonia" to refugee.
who is Doukagios?Aisxilus? Stravon? Plinnius? Polyvios?. are they pontusians? they have pontusian names. why should i care what they believe there living in a pontusian wet dream.
gi back and look for your self i said it first clown.now enough of these delaying tactics and go away and think first. your annoying me enough to leave you in your ponyusian dreams youll haveto start talking to yourself because yourlast in the pack of hyenas called greece.pontusian thinks he is better than the macedonians. lol.now think as i am tired of this jewish isreali side show were on at the moment.yes the isrealis did exist you stated that the lebanese were a part of isreal.they were not.
oh the refugee wants me to prove something. screw u pontusian. i dont have to prove shit to yopu your a nation of beggars who cares what a turkish tribesman thinks of macedonia or greece for that matter your none of the above.
your wrong a pontusian, a cretan an athenian or the fools who believe there spartans will never be macedonian. Macedonians are everything you want to be pontusian. It is there history that has continued throughout time not some new puppet state thatimmerged in the 1820s from ruins and a foriegn monarchy pontusian.So now lets talk about fetta cheese i believe thats another storm in a teacup thats got the pontusians in a flutter.sheeps milk cheese was invented in the middle east.u can have that
Ill say it one more time fool and this time watch it closely.
"So prove to me now that you are a Macedonian the heir of Alexander the Great and just not a gyftoalbanoslavian from Vardaska."
Im waiting oh and while you are at it say why Gligorov said at 92':we have nothing to do with Alexander the Great and the Macednians, we are slavs that came here the 6th century AD.
so can you prove your not a pontusian you all look turkish from way over here.
no? your a joke.
listen to the music on this vid it is middle eastern fool.
yes pontusia the land of the pretender refugees is a very fitting name for your insignificant little shit hole and i insist that our government stops policing cyprus and let the turks have there way with you you are after all a turkish tribe pontusian.
Your the EUs problem child theyll grow tired of you too.
then doubled its population with 500,000 pontusian refugees 7yrs later settling them in the former homes of the people who marked the ethnic background as macedonian. now these pontusians claim to be the real macedonians and actually believe it. it must be all there nieghbours that are pontusian for they want to be Winstons Heros that is the greeks he was speaking ofpontusian.macedonia was a dirty word in greece till 1990s as it was considered the names of communists by the pontusians pretenders
history of hellasa country invented ny the then superpowers of russia and britian to gain acces to the black sea and open up the eastern mediterrainian for the latter in 1820s
Athens became capital of this all new nation with a population of 4,000 wretches scrpaing a life from among the ruins of a long dead civilisation.
First king of Hellas was of the german royal line and to this day there is not a drop of greek blood in there veins.
Doubled its size 100yrs later with southern macedonia.
Yes I have countere that so many times it has became a habit to me.
YOU ARE THE FAKE nation creatd by Titos megalomaniac and preserved for commounistic reasons and now supported for USA entrance in Balkan area like Cosovo.
You use the Cyrillic write not me, mine coins have Greek letters not yours.
I know what Macedonia means etymologically not you.
Alexander the Great said he is Greek not Vardaskan.
Only one man in the whole Corfu sais that and in colaboration with one English man, nobody seems to take you seriously in history facts so you are try to go to political ones huh?
So why we ARE in EU and NATO and Skopia are not?
Why the other European nations congratulated us for our Veto against Vardaska?
No one cared for countries-trojan horses of the USA.
And Australia is jut beign a good puppy in protecting the US interests in Cyprus,so if dont like it here get lost
So if that sources are in real books these books are wrong plain and simple.
You cant have a book that says that a tribe existed, WE PLACED them here and no documents of that happening, no name of these tribe, not an agreement with the Byzantine Empire.
And if you want to see the name Vardaska please search skopianic envelopes of 1930 and before and see the stamps on them.
They also called Athens Athens than does not make it less Hellenic.
vardarska? that is a modern day greek term. macedonia is larger than one river larger than "greece". pontusia is a better name for you. the land of the pretender refugees 80yrs in macedonia and now there the "real" macedonians.
Greko itself was a name given you by the romans there was no gercia the IA suffix was reserved for nations not tribes.Greek collaboration with the nazis was well documented.
you have a very wishy washy view of your own history do not attempt to teach what you dont know.
Macedonia is larger than one river but Skopia Im afraid is not and that river seperated Macedonia(Hellas) with Skopia (Yugoslavia).
-Greeks do not fight like heros,heros fight like Greeks.Winston Churchill
-For the sole purpose of historical truths I must say that Greeks were the true victors in Rupel battle so their guns are returned to them.Adolf Hitler.
Do you have any document ot counterprove these two men and prove you fought nazis?
So Vardaskan you calle me pontusian and say turkey existed 3000 years ago when it is well know that turkish came at the Balkans 9th century and Pontians were allready there by Vyzantine years.
And cut the crap about albanians your fake state is having 30% of them not mine
you laughingly state that the palestinians were part of an Israel before christ but isreal was not in existance until 1948.
you state that christiamnity was allowed by the byzantynes 200yrs before that empire existed. you then dont realise that when the ROMAN emperor converted to christianity thereby ending the persicution of christians he also stopped the olympics as they were a pagan rite.
you pompouse little pratt. lol and he calls me moron.
i have seen on the news that corfu wants to leave greece. i see that NATO and the EU both are fed up with greece holding back there borders and influence with there childish view of history. the EU is tired of carrying your nations economy the only member state that cant keep up.Had there hands out for money since they were started.
Australia has been policing Cyprus for more than 40yrs now i think your the EUs problem child they should be the ones paying for it.
All your comments as most, with a few very enlightened individuals, greek views show an unashamed nation of racists and biggots who deny there own faces in the mirror.
and you have the hide to titlle this vid with the words "human rights".
and dont call me anything but australian you little beggar.
We are racist but you collaborated with the Nazi invaders too bad you Bulgaroslavs are ashamed of what you are and try to steal anything else's history.
"Australian"? LOLOLOLOLOLOL you dont eve like to be called Slav moron.
OK "Australian" guy why you are so far from home? Dont like Vardaska?
Απίστευτο βίντεο και ακόμα πιο ωραίο το τραγούδι.....δεν το είχα ξανακούσει, υπέροχο...
Irigoni14 7 months ago
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HattiGamblin942 1 year ago
rather fascistically than fanatically...there's a difference
StefanMarkovski 1 year ago
Does the Hellenic Human Rights extend to the minorities living in Northern Greece?
dexia56 2 years ago
Dystixws auth ine h Istoria ths Elladas mas. 5000 xronnia twra oi Varvaroi prospathoun na mas svhsoun apo th Gh. Theloun na svhsoun th glwssa mas, th tautothta mas kai thn Istoria mas. Hsixia den 8a vroume loipon gia aito prepei na eimaste etimoi gia polemo.
ZeusTelemaxos 2 years ago
eimaste etimo gia polemo? xaxaxa
plaka kanis o karamanlis dini ola ta lefta gia ta opla
oles h xores lene imaste dunatos kratos kai sto mellon sigora 8a mas kanoun polemo omos emis then 8a sbistoume ston xarth pote 8a sisoume kai afti 8a pe8anoun ego omos eimai etimos gia polemo >:
prophet1k 2 years ago
oli silebon se mas h monkeydonia mas antigrafoun h tourkia then mas xonebi nomisoun oti h xora mas einai dikia tous kai h albania :P 8eloun na paroun ena komati kratous h tourkia mas polimane akoma stelnoun aroblania sto egeo ta ka8armata sto mellon sigora afti 8a arxisoun ton polemo meta fyrom kai meta 8a tous gamisoume !!!
go to the hell all enemie!
prophet1k 2 years ago
Mou pesane 8akres pou 8iabasa afto to komati tou Strati.
Re pe8ia ti mas kanoun...epitrepete re gamoto na mas kanoune opos 8eloun ti emaste emis...ti kako tous exoume kani...8en mas afinoun eisixous sto laston...ti prepi na kanoume yia na mas afisoun to dopo ke emas esixi re gamoto
sprognoun ke sprognoun apo mia akri o Turkos, tin ali o Monkeydonski, ka tin ali plevra o Albanos.
Aegialeus 2 years ago 2
giati den iparxi pio omorfo apo ellada kai ellinizmos
AgrammatiDikigoros 2 years ago
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ZeusTelemaxos 2 years ago
oli skotoma 9eloun meta iparxi eirini
prophet1k 2 years ago
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ΕΞΑΙΡΕΤΙΚΟ
akisioannina 2 years ago
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dont say me fyrom, sey me paeonian Macedonia :P
PeonianMK 2 years ago
Paionia has nothing to do with Macedonia i will call u only Paionian.......
Jeffanos 2 years ago
Resist Fyrom attempts to steal the name of Macedonia:
- in political forums
- in the arts
- in sport
and in all other activities. Do not let them unchallenged.
kajamix 2 years ago 4
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Pussy... SKOPJIENS
come and get them....if you got balls..i mean real men balls..and do not hide your pussy braves behind yours Godfathers ...like....George Sorros drawers.....M.Albright...the.U SA...Henry Kissinger...the damned Zion tribes...calls Jewish...!
Come and get them...!
Pussys
sotirisdrama 2 years ago
mazedonien ist griechenland schluss aus basta
GreekSoldier123 3 years ago 4
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The propaganda still go on
I wonder when will it finish?
cresevo 3 years ago
sadly for you it is no propaganda
it is the truth!!!!
aietes 2 years ago
250.000 Greeks in Fyrov (Former Yugoslavian Republic of Vardarska)!
FREEDOM!
Thronianos 3 years ago
This goes to the Greeks of America and arround the world to know.
This sunday there will be a meeting in the Univercity of Macedonia here in Thessaloniki about the Macedonians and the rest of the Greeks who live in Fyrom.A new book will be presented abou this We will discuss further more actions and ways to notify the UN and help the Greeks there.
salonikiosforever 3 years ago 4
Αυτη την Κυριακη συγκεντρωση στο πανεπιστημιο ΜΑΚΕΔΟΝΙΑΣ για ενημερωση οσον αφορα τους Ελληνες στα Σκοπια κ τις δρασεις που θα ακολουθησουν για το θεμα.Οσοι μπορουμε καλο ειναι να παραβρεθουμε εινα μια αρχη.
salonikiosforever 3 years ago 3
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United Macedonia to Macedonians.
Fuck the greek fanatics , fucken nacists
PaunBTMakedonski 3 years ago
We only defend the truth fanatically. We are not racists either. I believe ALL Greeks would love to have you as neighbours. There were NO problems between us until Skopje began making false claims.
MolossianZagori 3 years ago 5
Yes i agree with that to have one comision from UN to be sended to Macedonia to check that out,and after that the same comision to go in Greece to check the minority in Greece!
What do you say greeks is that fer enaught for you?
YES OR NO?
"Greeks" in Macedonia?haha This is Joke of the year 2008!
I wish this to became oficial statment from your governemt that in Macedonia have "greeks" and to send an comision from UN!
We want this!
CassanderMakedon 3 years ago
Send the UN to the president of Ouranio toxo in Greece Pavlos Voskopoulos to hear him saying that his parents were greek by he is "macedonian" for political reason
plus his has no country or religion , what a jerk!
watch?v=axdfdKp9f38
NefeliDanai 3 years ago 2
im sorry for this but you know it i know it everybody knows it..The thing is what will happen with the Greeks there this is what we care.And btw thanks to people like you the Greeks are so united so thanks aloteWe need you from time to time!
salonikiosforever 3 years ago
thanks to people like you this country will never have a future,thanks to people like you my boss and many other bussines are thinking to move to Albania and Bulgaria and thanks to people like you in a couple of decades the Great Albania will be trouth..
salonikiosforever 3 years ago
Volk
What ptriotism and who does not exsists??Are you kiting me or your self??There is not such thing in Fyrom its all about money and propaganda in the end and you know it.What is happening there is fasism from some confused people like you and your priminister..The reall patriots are those 100.000 who took the Bulgarian passports and the thousands who waits for it.! and the stupid thing is that thanks to people like you this country is colapsing..
salonikiosforever 3 years ago
I guess your propagandists what tells you people all this years it that this is happening because of the properties or something.??LOL!!I know man its not your fault everybody here in Greece are saying this dont worrie.Even Karamanlis(which you people should know that he is considered to be traitors for the Macedonians and all the Greeks and only for the fact that he agosieds the name)told you people:GO TO THE COURTS.We are after the Turks on those things for 40 years now..Good luck..
salonikiosforever 3 years ago
If there are any Greeks in Macedonia, why does Greece not allow them to get Greek citizenships. Answer me this with facts please!
Fact is, the Greek gov is a dictatorship!
moxmortis 3 years ago
The greek citizenship cannot be given so easy and it should be done with caution,
remember what happened with Voreios Ipiros / Northern Epirus , together with the greeks were a lot of albanians that were claiming greek ancestry.
NefeliDanai 3 years ago
NefeliDanai
N.Epirus was demanded by the Roman Catholic church and Italy to be Albanian, after Greece repatriated N.Epirus. The church does not give a damn whether they were Greek or not. Those Greeks suffered shortly after and especially under Hoxa cutting off Albania to the rest of the world much ethnic cleansing of Greeks took place. I have spoken to many survivors that left who became extended family.
Aegialeus 3 years ago
By the way, dont mention our king in stupid songs like this.
You cant make even a good song fags
VOLK2234 3 years ago
It started in US it will be continued here in Greece starting from Thessaloniki!We just started to organise on this matter.Btw the name is Fyrom and im sorry for what is happening to you people i really do..
salonikiosforever 3 years ago
Actually, we have to thank you for boosting our patriotisam.
Remember:
YOU DONT EXIST
VOLK2234 3 years ago
If there are any Greeks in Macedonia, why does Greece not allow them to get Greek citizenships. Answer me this with facts please!
Fact is, the Greek gov is a dictatorship!
moxmortis 3 years ago
Well i will tell you something.Because my goverment are traitors(they are finished in the next elections this matter was the end of them)and only the fact that they igosiate with you its a treason for Macedonians and all the Greeks,but since they cant do anything,we will do something.
salonikiosforever 3 years ago
But the thing is what can they do now?What can you do in a country who is show fanatished,in a country wich when you say something like:Im Bulgarian Macedonian and if you are girl they fucken rip you?In a country that in they kill eachother in the elections?In a country that the priminister is forcing the busines to change every script to Slavic,and in a country that when you want to take your name back they tell you that it cant happen and they find excuses??How can these people talk??
salonikiosforever 3 years ago
If your Leader Nina Gatsulis says the World is Flat would you also believe it. I lived in Macedonia for 16 years, and there was one Greek kid that we loved in our school and respected. But the rest were mostly Aromans/Vlachs - those are a separate nation and people and are not Greek unless they claim to be. In Macedonia Vlachs are Vlachs and speak Arman not Greek.
And please at last support your claims with facts not fiction! Viva Rep of Macedonia!
moxmortis 3 years ago
moxmortis
The problem with people like you is that you lived till you 16 in this country..Man you know nothing trust me..I wont talk about history or any of those things xause i know that it pisses you off,LOL!!but i will tell you just this.I visited many times your country and specially Monastiri and Kumanovo(for bussines mostly)and i know that there are THOUSANDS of Greeks(Macedonians ofcourse) there,the problem is that about 60 years ago they changed their names for some reasons..
salonikiosforever 3 years ago
What is your problem Hellenic Americans? Macedonia is independent state now. Currently there is only one Macedonia in modern times. Don't give me any 2000 yr old crap. Today there is a Republic of Macedonia and Republic of Greece. If you have a problem with that then get educated and accept the reality. We will not change our name under any circumstances. Why don't you change your name of Macedonia to Macedonia-Northern Greece, Or South Macedonia, since you want us to use North Macedonia.
moxmortis 3 years ago
Yes Macedonia belong to real in blood Macedonians:
/watch?v=k2g--2S3Ly4
Sorry for your washed brains!haha You sing for Macedonia?hahaha That is soo good!What will Demostenes say if he was a live now!hahaha
CassanderMakedon 3 years ago
If there are any Greeks in Macedonia, why does Greece not allow them to get Greek citizenships. Answer me this with facts please!
Fact is, the Greek gov is a dictatorship!
moxmortis 3 years ago
Yes i agree with that to have one comision from UN to be sended to Macedonia to check that out,and after that the same comision to go in Greece to check the minority in Greece!
What do you say greeks is that fer enaught for you?
CassanderMakedon 3 years ago
moxmortis
Dont play stupid with me know ok?Except if you are stupid.The reason that this is not happening is because we have a name issue in case you forgot it.The reason the Greek goverment dont give the Greek citizenships to your people is first of all because they are not Greeks(we are not talking about this people we we say we will help them,we dont care about you Slavs ok?)
Second you cant say im Macedonians and Greek as if it is something diferent this is the reason.
salonikiosforever 3 years ago
Hahahaha!!! Every nationality in Macedonia have the rights. And that is well known to whole the world.
Who's gonna believe this xenophobic propaganda??? Are you people still believe that in the time when the world has become global village you will win your Don Kihot battle with this kind of crab?
scytalemk 3 years ago
Solun it is in your bulgarian dialect. Even if it is to be, it will be with real indigenous greek macedonians and not with bulgaroserboalbanians like you. With Macedonians, decendents of the ancients who speak the language of their fathers, because we know where we come from...
kurtossavros 3 years ago 3
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Solun will be calital of Macedonia again!!!
>>> Racial discrimination ?!?!?!
WTF!?!?!
AHAHHAHAHAHA
VOLK2234 3 years ago
Solun? what is Solun?
say Thessaloniki,Thessaloniki was Alexander's sister ok...You deserve to take our PSOLUN instead so lubricate your asshole and wait for us
testmagox 3 years ago
Now,THAT IS FUNNY!!! HAHAHAHA
Watch video of Macedonians protest for independent and free Macedonia in U.S.A. in year 1922
/watch?v=Sfyws7TizHk
bungur78 3 years ago
You mean when the Slavs and the Bulgarians decided to be called "macedonians" and lost the II Balkan war?
It's not possible to leave comments on that video
NefeliDanai 3 years ago
What is up now the cat eat your tongue?In Grekia have no minority!hahaha Balkan country with no minority.That is paradox!Dont call us fascist,please look in your mirors,do you see Hitler there?Greeks recived all copy rights on the word and meaning FASCIST!
CassanderMakedon 3 years ago
You are retarded and you are using bad language.
You reason I have to stay in front of my computer screen all the time.
The Romas are Romas and are oppressed in many countries, at Skopja even more.
NefeliDanai 3 years ago
Hehehe afcorse i'm joking with you,NO greeks in Macedonia.We have Albanians,Turks,Vlach and Serbs.Thay have education on there language,thay are presentet in our Parlament thay work as Ministers in our Government,thay freely declare there nationality in cenzus.What more rights to give tham?
And what about your country where live 98% "Greeks"?
CassanderMakedon 3 years ago 2
You're pathetic government is showing our Prime Minister in Nazi clothes I know.
This is more than an insult together with your illegal maps, the desecration of the Greek flag and the Greek national symbols.
NefeliDanai 3 years ago
My map's are not mine i downloaded from Italian history site about time of Roman Empire!Sorry!;)You call Italians facists?Your flag is given from the Brits and Germans what is fascist about that?
CassanderMakedon 3 years ago
Do you want to find you at least 30 videos where you ofend our Macedonian flag?And to post you here?
And did you know that our flag have Macedonian simbol who is old 8000BC.?
Wach:
/watch?v=UzPzcUZMyVg
You don't have respect for that you dont have respect for nothing!
CassanderMakedon 3 years ago
I'm very proud. Makedonia einai Elliniki
greekguy5 3 years ago
Power to the Greeks. It is good to see Greeks organizing together to save the real Macedonians living in the FYROM, the real Hellenic people. Bravo.
greekguy5 3 years ago
dinei resta to videaki. 5*
mariabobis 3 years ago 3
At last!!!It was about time to organise to help the thousands of Macedonians and the other Greeks in this little Bush protectorat.This is only the begining,here in Thessaloniki there are already moves to organise better on this issue!!Well done again Greeks in US and arround the world!
salonikiosforever 3 years ago 2
Η Μακεδονία ήταν είναι και θα είναι Ελληνική και ας λένε ότι θέλουν οι σλάβοι
ILLUVATAR85 3 years ago
hahaha Greeks you look miserably!хаха
Grekis in Macedonia?O my God!You are totaly brainwashed!
CassanderMakedon 3 years ago
Lier. Everybody travelling at Skopja has met them.
Yes Greek at Skopja speeking perfectly Greek. How are these people that are living under the slav fear ??
NefeliDanai 3 years ago
Yes we have Gipses in Shutka we call tham Greeks you mean on tham?hehehe
CassanderMakedon 3 years ago
CassanderMakedon you a fascist and a racist.
The Hellenic Human Rights Rally purpose is exactly to protest against people like you how are treating badly the Greek minorities.
NefeliDanai 3 years ago
We do everiting in our power to protect that Gipses who we call Greeks!ok?In Shutka have Gipses and thay have legal status even in our Constitution are mentioned as a nation Romi!;)What about the rights on your minority's?
CassanderMakedon 3 years ago 2
CassanderMakedon 3 years ago
See this and cry. /watch?v=-oHivXjiX_w&feature=related
ILLUVATAR85 3 years ago
I can`t stop laughing
hahahahahahaahahahahahahah
The best bull shit ever
hahahahahahaahahahahaahaha
cresevo 3 years ago
what about the Macedonian, Vlach, Turk, Roma and other minorities living in Greece?
massivedonia 3 years ago
1.Macedonian=Greeks (no minority)
2.Vlachs=cultural minority they consider themself Greeks
3.Turks=Pomaks and muslms never turks
4.Roma=They allready enjoy the previlages of the minorities as described by the Greek law.
Roma do not count as a nation, you have a lot of them in Skopia as well.
ILLUVATAR85 3 years ago
Good joke :D
theMac3donian 3 years ago
Πιστεύω στην αλήθεια, αλλά δεν το μίσος και τον πόλεμο
I believe in justice and truth but not in hate en war.
I believe that the one we must attack is the goverment ( THEY ARE THE PEOPLE THAT LIE) of our always was and has bin MACEDONIA IS GREEK AND WIL STAY GREEK
fatsoela 3 years ago
Think this first the Greek state was just only 70 years after it leberetion, its inside problems where too big to consider this.
The fact that a French man thought it is an honoring move on his behalf but his does not take us the right of creating them.
And Romans where tollerated to the games but thair slaves, Mauritanian,Illirians,Nords and Goths where not.
ILLUVATAR85 3 years ago
Think this first the Greek state was just only 70 years after it leberetion, its inside problems where too big to consider this.
The fact that a French man thought it is an honoring move on his behalf but his does not take us the right of creating them.
And Romans where tollerated to the games but thair slaves, Mauritanian,Illirians,Nords and Goths where not.
ILLUVATAR85 3 years ago
The Emperor Konstantinos created the Medioalnean treatment in 367 to stop the inside war within the Byzantine Empire.
It was normal if you think it, Christians fought
Pagans in the divide of the Roman Empire and the Eastern Roman became the craddle of Hellenism Byzantine with capital the emperors name Kostantinos.
And yes what happened after the win of christians but after centuries of opression it was a thing to do, margue as it is shoothed the souls of the victorious.
ILLUVATAR85 3 years ago
Have a nice day then I will wait for your responce.
Free religion and exception do not much, truth must be one and absolute or it is not truth at all.
In the whole Roman Empire paganism was the only religion no one was affected by the religions of Mesopotamians,Normands,Egyptian and Israeleans.
Now if you are telling that all the qoncuered people where free of religion it is partially right as a mena to give them a manner of freedom but they were forced to worship Emperor.
ILLUVATAR85 3 years ago
sorry going toi have to contiue this later i have visitors. wont be back till tomorrow but rather than just poke at it please think of your reponses rather than just throw insults at me. these are all from reliable sources not just pipedreams or me trying to put my dreams and or wishes on a screen that will be scrolled off anyway.
HandsomeStranger1963 3 years ago
Tell me when you are finished
ILLUVATAR85 3 years ago
when i have answered your 5 references. you number them but seem to want me to cover these complex issues with only 5 sentences.
HandsomeStranger1963 3 years ago
Now why are keep postponing the answer to my question?
Why cant you prove it to me you are Macedonian?
Is it because your alphabet is just a serbian version of the Slavic Bulgaric one?
Is it because you are slavs in denial?
Is it because this?
"Clearly, the language of the ancient Macedonians was Greek"
{Prof. John C. Roumans Professor Emeritus of Classics Wisconsin University}
And there was not a simmilar alphabet with the Greek one, the only one was the Latin and Macedonia existed before it.
ILLUVATAR85 3 years ago
now to continue...
That alphabet was used by many in the area and not all considered themselves to be or were ever thought of as being hellenes.
There were anything up to 4 olympics going at any one time depending on who was waring or aligned with who.
Indeed the romans, after there conquest of the macedonians in the 3 macedonian wars participated in the games. they stopped being hellenic then as not only hellenes played in them.
HandsomeStranger1963 3 years ago
cont...) you speak of the religiouse freedom of the later roman empire in the 4th century AD. Freedom of religion was a constant throughout the romans history. christianity was the only exception those people(our predecessors) were victimsed and persecution. the freedom you speak of was in fact that to stop this persicution as that was when the first emperor converted to christianity. interestingly it was when many other religions were outcast and more to the point the pagan olypics were banned.
HandsomeStranger1963 3 years ago
these games were not played again until the 1800s ad and then they were the idea of a frenchman and not restricted to hellenes as they were then there only the olypics by name.
HandsomeStranger1963 3 years ago
I have gave you 5 non Greek sources of why Macedonia is Hellas Alexander the Great has proven to be a Hellen himself, the Latins call us Greeks because the first Hellenic man they ever show was Grecus son of Defkalion and Pyra and one of the progenitors of the Greek tribe allong side with their other som Hellenas
ILLUVATAR85 3 years ago
i am in the process of that now stop interupting.
HandsomeStranger1963 3 years ago
Seconldy you say Hellenism is a religion when could not be more wrong Hellenism is a nation Term, Im Athenean, he is Spartan,the other is Korinthian all of us are Hellenes.
And your claim Apollon be the Greek version of Amon Ra us just ridiculus, because if the Greek son of Light is Egyptian while his life was tottaly different what stops you from thinking he was Mahadeva the light of lights on Indian religion?
ILLUVATAR85 3 years ago
Second Iam connected with Macedonians like I am with Spartans,Epirotans,Argeians,Doriens and Mycyneans.
He only killed Gefyreans in Thebes a city he believd his fathers murderes were, and lets no forget he forgave them the first time he forgave Athenians both times.
But he had to give an example so no rebellion was at his hand during his fight in Persia.
And the first one Phillip killed and sold where Macedonians that makes him not Macedonian?
ILLUVATAR85 3 years ago
you place great importance in the greek alphabet and language linking the macedonians to the greeks.you also boast about that alphabet being found throughout the mediterrainian.which is true but that alphabet was used by many different people and most of them did not call themselves hellenes.That alphabet was not,repeat not,invented by the greek or improved in any way by them. your only true cdlaim to it is that you still use it now with only some more modern variations
That alphabet was used b
HandsomeStranger1963 3 years ago
First of all Alexander himsle said he was Greek, all the ancient historians of antiquity prove his say, only Demosthenes Phillips dire enemy dare told otherwise.
"For I (Alexander I) myself am by ancient descent a Greek, and I would not willingly see Hellas change her freedom for slavery." (Herod. IX, 45, 2 [Loeb]) .
ILLUVATAR85 3 years ago
please read what i say rather than interupting. dont just skim and take 1 sentence out of context ILLUVATAR85, that is a tactic of a child.
HandsomeStranger1963 3 years ago
and alexander was not aware of the word "greko" that was a roman name for the greeks. they were the first to call macedon Macedonia the IA suffix is for the the Land Of it is latin.
and as you have said he WAS a hellene in its religious context. as you have said HELLENISM was a RELIGION.
HandsomeStranger1963 3 years ago
...cont 3) Many of you post comments in great detail of his speach to his army after his defeat of the persians. what you all fail to see is that he did it over the carcases of 5,000 "greeks" who fought on the persian side. it puts that speech in to very hard context it was a warning not a declaration of his "greekness".
You correctly identified hellenism as a religion but that was all it was, it was not an entity nor a nation but just an area of common religion. cont...)
HandsomeStranger1963 3 years ago
...cont 4) your major problem(ie the greeks) is that you believe that the terms greek and hellene are interchangeable they are not as hellene to the ancients was something very different as you know but attempt to gloss over it to validate your claims. your fooling no one because you keep telling us to go read a book and we have read many. there just not the ones you wanted us to read.
HandsomeStranger1963 3 years ago
...united or seperated fought against each other
for insignificant matters.
5.Ageptians have said that Macedons are Greek and all Greek have come from the son of Oshiris Anouvios and Macedonas.
ILLUVATAR85 3 years ago
now you did not read what i said. what makes you think the macedonians were greek. your own scrolls state that they were barbarians. that they did not speak greek but a language similar. as i have said religion does not make them related as those gods were not purely greek. 3 of the so important 12 were of egyption origen one namely apolo was anything but greek in origen. so religion does not link people anymore than it does now.(cont...)
HandsomeStranger1963 3 years ago
...cont 2) The macedonians are after all orthodox yet you do not feel your connected.
The only time you felt connected to them was when philipII, king of macedonia defeated the greek city states." Ah the greeks just dont know how to win" was what he said when the battle turned in hies favour.
Alexander killed or sold every man woman and child in the greek city state of Thebes when they thought him to be a greek and killed the macedonian govenor and garrison there. cont...
HandsomeStranger1963 3 years ago
And let me ad this.
1.Old testimony (Daniel and Maccaveans chap. 1 1-10 declares Alexander and Macedons us Greeks.
2.Stravon (Gegraphical,7) "Macedonia is also Greece"
3.(Arrianus,Indian,4,33 page 195) When (sailors of Nearchus) show the man here (India), wearing Greek armor and speak Greek their eyes overflowed with tears. He said them he was from Alexanders aremy and he was not far.
4.Titos Livios (history of Rome book XXX par.XXIX) Aitoleans Akarneans and MAcedonians men of same language....
ILLUVATAR85 3 years ago
you accuse me of bringing politics into here. read the tittle of this vid it is political.
HandsomeStranger1963 3 years ago
now tell me what makes a greek then tell me why you are greek in plain english.if Your arguments are that they shared common language, alphabet and religion. then they are ridiculouse when you consider that your using the Latin Alphabet and the English language to do so my Orthodox brother. It links us then no more than now.
HandsomeStranger1963 3 years ago
Again you want to hear what etnologists and topicist everywheree are saying. We do not "share" WE HAVE.
1.Same blood we have the same Dna as ancient Greeks.
2.Same language we have the same language with them can you make such a claim? No.
3.Same customs Panathenean,Spartan Moires,Olympic games want more?
4.Same religion since Hellenism spread through the whole Vyzantine empire and after 300 AD everybody could exercise his faith freely.
You know the rest now proce me of your claims delay no more
ILLUVATAR85 3 years ago
You were speaking to me about history and when you could not support your says you turned into politics dont play dumb it wont help you here.
And go to google translate to find what etymology means.
ILLUVATAR85 3 years ago
First of all I have proven you more than twice why am I Greek and you still delay and sway the answer how do you are "Macedonian"?
Secoondly Pontians leaved where Troy used to be for over 3000 years.
And last its "etymology" not "entomology" but your poor vardaskan mind can understan of only
simple things so I understand.
ILLUVATAR85 3 years ago
all you have done is state the meaning of macedonia. that does not prove your a greek. it soes not prove your not justa pontusian refugee pretendeing to be greek it does not prove your a albanian reufgee pretending to be apartan.
and as you said the turks didnt arrive until around 1000ad. but what were they before that if not persians. that still dosnt put pontusi within greece that did not arrive until 1820ad.
there still ponyusians. never macedons. and what does "etymology" mean then.
HandsomeStranger1963 3 years ago
First of all i understand the etymological meanind of the word "Macedonia" and all of its inhabittands.
THey are Greek I can understand them because I am Greek you on the other hand are a gyftoalbanoslavian from vardaska and would never understand them.
And Persians where deeper in Asia than turks today, we had a lot of cities on Asia Minor after the Achaics defeat Troyans Pontians where leaving where Troy was from 3000 BC.
ILLUVATAR85 3 years ago
now explain "entymology" i understood that to be the study of insects.and all these peoples were aware of macedonians.including the turks you fool. your comments show that you do not understand half of what im saying.
and remember i want to know what makes you greek.
HandsomeStranger1963 3 years ago
now prove your anything but a pontusian pretender. dont bother me of stories about the bulgars that were in greece nor the slavs that were in greece or the turks or the venetians or thee albanians or the vlachs or the romans or the macedonians. or the germans or the persians or the italians.
prove to me your greek and not a import yourself.
HandsomeStranger1963 3 years ago
12.You said that Pontus was under turkish minor for 3000 years.
A.turks showed their faces in Europe in 9th century
B.Potians are the offsprings of the Troyans.
ILLUVATAR85 3 years ago
ok then trojans were persians.
HandsomeStranger1963 3 years ago
7.You stated I was American I was not
8.You start talked about politics when we where talking about history (tottaly out of subject)
9.You stated you are nothing more than an "Australian" but we all know you are a gyftoalbanoslavian from vardaska wannbe Macedonian
10.I aske etymolgy you failed to give it to me
11.I have asked for your ancestry you did not told me.
12.I used the 4 points every etnologist uses to find ones origin, youcould not stomach them yet accept them.
ILLUVATAR85 3 years ago
1.You have said we collaborated with the Nazis,you cant prove it
2.You said that Greek was used in the Eastern Meditteranean as an official language,you cant prove it
3.You said their is a "Macedonian" ethnicity aside from Greek, you cant prove it
4.I gave you 5 of the most importand historians for Macedonia you didnot knew them let alone counter them.
5.You did not knew Karanos the progenetor of Macedonian people, I knew him.
6.You said we use skopian coins whats the letters on them? More?
ILLUVATAR85 3 years ago
from now on rather than repeating myself i will refer you back to my comments. rather than answer my questions you state exactly what i say then pretend it was u all along . tyoicak stalling tactics. id rather the took time to answer with a logical qyestion than play that silly game. so prove your own entymology before you ask others pontusian.
HandsomeStranger1963 3 years ago
Μακεδονία=higland
Αλέξανδρος=Αλέξω+Ανήρ=defender of men
Άμυντας=Defender
Φίλιππος=φίλος+ίππος=friend of horses.
Thats the tymology moron can you make the same attempt?
ILLUVATAR85 3 years ago
now prove your ancestry before you ask others to because thats the way it works. anyway of shutting this preening goats singing. belly dancers spring to mind
HandsomeStranger1963 3 years ago
now when i listen to the music on this vid i hear a very distinctive middle eastern influence sounds more turkish than anything else. so does common culture link you to them?.....
apart from the pontusian link of course:-)
ah the pontusians are so funny. your a comedy of errors, non macedonian, are you not?
so prove to me greeces entymology before you ask of anyone elses.
HandsomeStranger1963 3 years ago
If you such a butthurted moron fail to realise
that all Balkans have common musical roots not my fault.
Oh and dont bring your "friends" the turgaylanders in the conversation because their official documents from 1700 AD when they wanted to know what populations lived under the ottoman empire they confirmed the below.
1.Greeks
2.Romanians.
3.Bulgarians.
4.Vlachs
5.Slavs
6.Syrians.
Never they speak of "Macedonians"
ILLUVATAR85 3 years ago
HandsomeStranger1963 3 years ago
Yeah from the prespective of someone whose country claims that Cleopatra was "Macedonian" you have a lot of nerv gyftoalbanoslavian wannabe Macedonian.
ILLUVATAR85 3 years ago
as for the language...Why do we call it the "greek"alphabet when the greeks did not invent it or contribute to it in any way. As the world knows examples of it are found throughout the eastern mediterainian and it is thought that it was from the area where modern day Lebanon is.
So what makes it "greek" and from what i have just said how does this prove macedonia was "greek"?
how does finding this alphabet on macedonian coins make alexander and Philip "greek"?
HandsomeStranger1963 3 years ago
Macedonians did not have "greek" names they had names with religiouse themes helenism by definition is a religion.
Having hellenic names did not make them "greek".
examples
Yannis = John
Petros = Peter
Using your special logic that would make a lot of "greeks" jewish.
Anyone over the age of 10 knows that people having the same relgion In no way makes them the same related let alone mean they got along my christian brother.
HandsomeStranger1963 3 years ago
You have nothing new to say and you are using the sameold destroyed false arguments?
Well lets show the whole world how pathetic you are once again.
No other state in the world has used the Greek language officially and the states under Persian ocupation in Asia minor does not count.
Latins=Latin
Greeks=Greek
Egyptians=Hieroglyfs
Persians=Sphinoid Mesopotamian
Hebrews=Ramaic
ILLUVATAR85 3 years ago
as for the coins...Yes even the greeks had to use Macedonian coinage. you were the vanquished.
everyone of Macedonias conquered nations and kingdoms had to. the greeks were not special to them.
Look we have the Queen Elizebeth IIs image on all our coins here in Australia as does Canada and every other member of the Commonwealth.
Roman coins were all over the roman empire too.
each in there own language or the Empires official language.
HandsomeStranger1963 3 years ago
Can you give me a statement that Doukagios said that confirmes that Macedonia is not Greece?
Aisxilus? Stravon? Plinnius? Polyvios?
No? Then how you have countered my arguments with that piece of shit logic?
ILLUVATAR85 3 years ago
I HAVE won gyftoalbanoslavian from vardaska wanabe Macedonian.
You have countered my facts? NO!
I have countered yours? YES!
Do you want to number them and see it?
ILLUVATAR85 3 years ago
so pontusian your lesson is done for the day. you aint woth a macedonias nail clippings you little coward.
silly nation of pretender pontusian refugees . when the fighting starts there army marches in there pom pom booties, white stockings, pleated skirts topped with a pom pommed pixie hat. met with wolf whistles as allways as they make fine mothers for the turds that come out of there accomadating backsides.
lol the paper tiger army blown over when theres a hint of battle.
HandsomeStranger1963 3 years ago
oh yeah i said you may keep the name fetta that cheese was invented in the middle east so you have a right to keep it. that is where your from pontusian refugee.
you can keep cretan to because that is an insult in english and every other language spoken by man pontusian.
HandsomeStranger1963 3 years ago
youve countered my staements my arse yopu have tito drinking with hitler was a wank.
lebanon being part of an israeli nation 2000 yrs before isreal existed was a joke. vardar is in pontusian heads.
your quoting ancient sources in a moder context is a joke.
your counters count to nothing. pontusian beggar.
Now with greeces very mixed blood and dissjointeds history tell me why we should let you redfugees call yourselves greek. why you should be alowed to usse the word hellene or even fetta.
HandsomeStranger1963 3 years ago
Skopian newspaper archives nuff said
Israelians existed long before they were a state moron are you saying otherwise?
All the states and all the letters from 1930 called you like you were calling yourself "Vardaska Magovena" the stamps on official skopian latters can back me up.
Im still waiting to see the etymology of Macedonia, what was Karanos's the progenitor of Macedonian's language and what language symolise the coins
ILLUVATAR85 3 years ago
go back and read my comments regarding the ireal tribes. your epeating my words. isreal did not exist befor 1948.
now as you know macedonia was under the serbs in the 30s so is it there stamps you speak of?
They were and still are your partners in crime and you have the hide to speak of human rights pontusian.
"Skopian newspaper archives nuff said" about what? your a very confused little refugee. and why am i expected to give an "etymology of Macedonia" to refugee.
HandsomeStranger1963 3 years ago
who is Doukagios?Aisxilus? Stravon? Plinnius? Polyvios?. are they pontusians? they have pontusian names. why should i care what they believe there living in a pontusian wet dream.
HandsomeStranger1963 3 years ago
Well from a gyftoalbanoslavian wannabe Macedonian point of view I did not expected anything else.
3 Of them Are Latin 2 of the Greek all of them have recorded historical facts about Macedonia and Greece in general all in different eras.
First was Polyvios in his "Geographicals" in the Classical age.
Aisxylus later in the Hellenistic age
Plinnius before Roman occupation
Stravon after it
Doukagios in the Vyzantine era.
No of them are mentioning Macedonia aside Greece
ILLUVATAR85 3 years ago
And I am telling you moron that Israelian people existed all over antiquity.
First of all the real Macedonia was under your slavian and turkish comitage occupation so cut the crap, Yugoslavia on the other hand.
Prove it moron PROVE IT.
So you wont go search your newspaper about the celebration tito gave to Hitler when he enter Vardaska? looser.
If you cant let me give it and maybe you learn it.
Μακεδονία=higland.
ILLUVATAR85 3 years ago
moron? i said that they existed but isreal did not what is wrong with you apart from being pontusian?
HandsomeStranger1963 3 years ago
So NOW THEY EXIST? So please confirm what language they are using till this day
ILLUVATAR85 3 years ago
gi back and look for your self i said it first clown.now enough of these delaying tactics and go away and think first. your annoying me enough to leave you in your ponyusian dreams youll haveto start talking to yourself because yourlast in the pack of hyenas called greece.pontusian thinks he is better than the macedonians. lol.now think as i am tired of this jewish isreali side show were on at the moment.yes the isrealis did exist you stated that the lebanese were a part of isreal.they were not.
HandsomeStranger1963 3 years ago
oh the refugee wants me to prove something. screw u pontusian. i dont have to prove shit to yopu your a nation of beggars who cares what a turkish tribesman thinks of macedonia or greece for that matter your none of the above.
HandsomeStranger1963 3 years ago
HAHAHAHHHA!!!
I FUCKING EXPECTED THAT ANSWER FROM YOU RETARDED GYFTOALBANOSLAVIAN FROM VARDAKSA.
You and your country are a joke and we shall deal with you soon enough (if albanians in tetovo dont do it first).
ILLUVATAR85 3 years ago
see pontusian even when you lose you think you have won. the battle plan of your army.
HandsomeStranger1963 3 years ago
your wrong a pontusian, a cretan an athenian or the fools who believe there spartans will never be macedonian. Macedonians are everything you want to be pontusian. It is there history that has continued throughout time not some new puppet state thatimmerged in the 1820s from ruins and a foriegn monarchy pontusian.So now lets talk about fetta cheese i believe thats another storm in a teacup thats got the pontusians in a flutter.sheeps milk cheese was invented in the middle east.u can have that
HandsomeStranger1963 3 years ago
Again all yup yup yup and no real statement.
Ill say it one more time fool and this time watch it closely.
"So prove to me now that you are a Macedonian the heir of Alexander the Great and just not a gyftoalbanoslavian from Vardaska."
Im waiting oh and while you are at it say why Gligorov said at 92':we have nothing to do with Alexander the Great and the Macednians, we are slavs that came here the 6th century AD.
ILLUVATAR85 3 years ago
So prove to me now that you are a Macedonian the heir of Alexander the Great and just not a gyftoalbanoslavian from Vardaska.
ILLUVATAR85 3 years ago
tito celebrating with hitler??? your a joke pontusian tribesman. even here in australia we know he led the resistance during the war???
ahh pontusian ranting again refugee. deny all thats it aint it twit. very long winded way of saying nothing .
its ok to have nothing to say little man just dont say it.
been kicked around so long by the "greeks" who are anything but pontusian has given you this silly notion that your better than the macedonians.
HandsomeStranger1963 3 years ago
I have couterd all of your "statements" and yet you have the audicity of think you have won?
See Skopian newspapers from this era and see the
truth of my words.
And give me a fact that I havent countered little gyftoalbanoslavian from vardaska
ILLUVATAR85 3 years ago
so can you prove your not a pontusian you all look turkish from way over here.
no? your a joke.
listen to the music on this vid it is middle eastern fool.
yes pontusia the land of the pretender refugees is a very fitting name for your insignificant little shit hole and i insist that our government stops policing cyprus and let the turks have there way with you you are after all a turkish tribe pontusian.
Your the EUs problem child theyll grow tired of you too.
HandsomeStranger1963 3 years ago
Oh now we lost our temper moron?
If you are so retard as to deny that all the Balkans have the same musical roots its your loss not mine.
And from what I can see about you are a gyftoalbanoslavian with no nation trying to find a history even if it means steal it.
ILLUVATAR85 3 years ago
then doubled its population with 500,000 pontusian refugees 7yrs later settling them in the former homes of the people who marked the ethnic background as macedonian. now these pontusians claim to be the real macedonians and actually believe it. it must be all there nieghbours that are pontusian for they want to be Winstons Heros that is the greeks he was speaking ofpontusian.macedonia was a dirty word in greece till 1990s as it was considered the names of communists by the pontusians pretenders
HandsomeStranger1963 3 years ago
history of hellasa country invented ny the then superpowers of russia and britian to gain acces to the black sea and open up the eastern mediterrainian for the latter in 1820s
Athens became capital of this all new nation with a population of 4,000 wretches scrpaing a life from among the ruins of a long dead civilisation.
First king of Hellas was of the german royal line and to this day there is not a drop of greek blood in there veins.
Doubled its size 100yrs later with southern macedonia.
HandsomeStranger1963 3 years ago
Yes I have countere that so many times it has became a habit to me.
YOU ARE THE FAKE nation creatd by Titos megalomaniac and preserved for commounistic reasons and now supported for USA entrance in Balkan area like Cosovo.
You use the Cyrillic write not me, mine coins have Greek letters not yours.
I know what Macedonia means etymologically not you.
Alexander the Great said he is Greek not Vardaskan.
ILLUVATAR85 3 years ago
It is not your only mistake so dont be afraid about it.
So if Israelians existed since 1948 the what tribe did Moeses liberted from the Egyptians?
Never beign a state does not mean they were never a real tribe with their own unique religion,customs,language and ethnology.
But I can be wrong along with 100% of the scientific community amd you are right.
And the Emperor was at first Roman and yes he considered Olympic games paganism but almost all the other emperors were Greeks.
ILLUVATAR85 3 years ago
Only one man in the whole Corfu sais that and in colaboration with one English man, nobody seems to take you seriously in history facts so you are try to go to political ones huh?
So why we ARE in EU and NATO and Skopia are not?
Why the other European nations congratulated us for our Veto against Vardaska?
No one cared for countries-trojan horses of the USA.
And Australia is jut beign a good puppy in protecting the US interests in Cyprus,so if dont like it here get lost
ILLUVATAR85 3 years ago
First of all Slavs=Bulgars and Servians if you dont know and they invaded the Vyzantine Empire.
Not only these they do not existed in the Hellenic era or in any other era before the Vyzantine.
As for real books and maps let others judge that.
ILLUVATAR85 3 years ago
So if that sources are in real books these books are wrong plain and simple.
You cant have a book that says that a tribe existed, WE PLACED them here and no documents of that happening, no name of these tribe, not an agreement with the Byzantine Empire.
And if you want to see the name Vardaska please search skopianic envelopes of 1930 and before and see the stamps on them.
They also called Athens Athens than does not make it less Hellenic.
ILLUVATAR85 3 years ago
vardarska? that is a modern day greek term. macedonia is larger than one river larger than "greece". pontusia is a better name for you. the land of the pretender refugees 80yrs in macedonia and now there the "real" macedonians.
Greko itself was a name given you by the romans there was no gercia the IA suffix was reserved for nations not tribes.Greek collaboration with the nazis was well documented.
you have a very wishy washy view of your own history do not attempt to teach what you dont know.
HandsomeStranger1963 3 years ago
Macedonia is larger than one river but Skopia Im afraid is not and that river seperated Macedonia(Hellas) with Skopia (Yugoslavia).
-Greeks do not fight like heros,heros fight like Greeks.Winston Churchill
-For the sole purpose of historical truths I must say that Greeks were the true victors in Rupel battle so their guns are returned to them.Adolf Hitler.
Do you have any document ot counterprove these two men and prove you fought nazis?
ILLUVATAR85 3 years ago
his returning your guns makes you there friends. collaborator.
the greek army only celebrates defeats.
HandsomeStranger1963 3 years ago
He had returned our arms while we have been evacuated the fortereses and had surrenderd.
Go see Tito celebrating with Hitler in the Midlle of Skopia you welcomed nazis with open arms.
And I remember celebrating my victory against you and turks sons of comitages when we have liberated Macedonia at 1913
ILLUVATAR85 3 years ago
macedonia now has troops in iraq pontusi none. can you prove your a decendant of the greeks pontusian?
you look the same as the macedonians. your grandfathers had to learn greek pontusian.
3000yrs in turkey makes you turkish not macedonian pontusian.
you deny yourself why should i take you seriously pontusian?
pretender refugees is all you are pontusian. now go watch the albanians dress up as spartans for the tourists pontusian.
that is your only link with the Heroes that Winston spoke of.
HandsomeStranger1963 3 years ago
Vardaska has troops in irac yes, you are another
good lap dog for USA.
I have allready proven it but lets just see it again
1.Same Blood,2.Same language,3.Same customs,4.Same religion.
So Vardaskan you calle me pontusian and say turkey existed 3000 years ago when it is well know that turkish came at the Balkans 9th century and Pontians were allready there by Vyzantine years.
And cut the crap about albanians your fake state is having 30% of them not mine
ILLUVATAR85 3 years ago
oh sorry thought you were in america my mistake.
you laughingly state that the palestinians were part of an Israel before christ but isreal was not in existance until 1948.
you state that christiamnity was allowed by the byzantynes 200yrs before that empire existed. you then dont realise that when the ROMAN emperor converted to christianity thereby ending the persicution of christians he also stopped the olympics as they were a pagan rite.
you pompouse little pratt. lol and he calls me moron.
HandsomeStranger1963 3 years ago
i have seen on the news that corfu wants to leave greece. i see that NATO and the EU both are fed up with greece holding back there borders and influence with there childish view of history. the EU is tired of carrying your nations economy the only member state that cant keep up.Had there hands out for money since they were started.
Australia has been policing Cyprus for more than 40yrs now i think your the EUs problem child they should be the ones paying for it.
yes the world is tired of you.
HandsomeStranger1963 3 years ago
All your comments as most, with a few very enlightened individuals, greek views show an unashamed nation of racists and biggots who deny there own faces in the mirror.
and you have the hide to titlle this vid with the words "human rights".
and dont call me anything but australian you little beggar.
HandsomeStranger1963 3 years ago
We are racist but you collaborated with the Nazi invaders too bad you Bulgaroslavs are ashamed of what you are and try to steal anything else's history.
"Australian"? LOLOLOLOLOLOL you dont eve like to be called Slav moron.
OK "Australian" guy why you are so far from home? Dont like Vardaska?
ILLUVATAR85 3 years ago