Olafur Eliasson: Playing with space and light

[selcuk4600]

Fjollet...

[EyeInTriangle1]

OLAFUR ELIASSAN MADE AN AMILLI SONG!

[HKragh]

One of those guys too full of himself to being able to convey his ideas in an understandable way to people who hasn't been working with the subject for several years. Some people just can't communicate effectivally, but somehow thinks their own needs to sound intelligent/deep in their own ears, trumphs the audiances needs to get the message...

[grazzer88]

@HKragh Or maybe you just havn't thought about it deeply enough or don't care enough to make the connections that he's discussing. He isn't talking about art as academia, it's self-awareness and the ability to analyse the space around you along with the socio-cultural consequence of our interation with it. Things normal people should do every day (but are usually too lazy/shallow to). If you can't be arsed to understand that's not his fault.

[Aniuchaaja]

Happy those which had possibility to be in nearby this Artist! To be on this explain! Maybe this by difference of value, the difference of sensibility.. comments are so negative.. For me it is great, it fascinates me way the thinkings, the perception of world the ideology. Amazing he is. So ordinarily - amazing!

[chrisdevins]

I disagree...this talk was excellent..if you are a theoratician.

[easymyspace]

when you drop into the water you get shocked

[LedOutMan]

This guy is full of shit.

[daniphobic]

The concept Eliasson represents is much like science, because he works with time, space, perceptions and reality.

But just because his installations share similar subject matters to science, this does not make him any less of an artist. After all, who are you to judge?

[eap8317]

I went to the Tate Modern turbine gallery exhibition with the giant sun and haze and it was amazing...you could feel heat but there wasn't any..weird but nice....

[cyberdems]

This guy sounds just like MarloweDK from youtube, rofl

[LeMegasandwich]

This isn't Physics.

[dar482]

Boring?

[Migslayer101]

i thought so =/ lol still watched the whole thing for some reason though

[mrorange308]

and if he is on the cutting edge of art then art isn't as cutting edge as it use to be

the trend is for artists to act like scientists and the trend for scientists is to act like artists

[omghai2u]

very very very very very true

[appleblues1]

or the boundary's of science and art are blurring?

[tsildajohansson]

8:22 > 9:30 is brilliant, that's the base

[ninanotturna]

I dont enjoy this kind of art but architects do talk in this fashion, and they have a need to rationalize their work and communicate their ideas (usually among themselves) in the planning stages, but like engineering calculations, its not stage material.

I liked being inside Tate Modern though, but his installations need to be experienced. Talking about them or even showing the pictures has no sense or impact what so ever.

[purplemonkeyelephant]

Is it just me or is this guy just talking a load of nonsense?

[pinochska]

couldn't agree more man

[ApollyonProductions]

lol, should someone mention photoshop to him??? way more cost effective

[mrkvamaster]

these fucking artists are all total wankers

[commandingheights]

Worst TED Talk ever.

[OnlineLegacy]

I agree

[TodaysRandomVideo]

this smells

[kuuuuul20]

could have been better spoken

[ArgueExplain]

If this guy wants to make a waterfall in New York, that's all fine and good, as long as he's the only person funding it.

There's no reason why the City of New York, the state of New York, or the US government should fund this. The government should be in a money crunch right now, because they are too far in debt.

[slessorpr]

As Olafur says 'Who decides what reality is?' In other words storytellerjack22, nothing is irrelevant and everything is deeper and more interesting if you take the time to look at it. Suspend (if you are capable) yr judgements about other ppls agendas and enjoy the new knowledge presented to you by the net with open mind, not with suspicion and cynicism. This is all for YOU! Enjoy it and don't ask silly questions. I know I sound self-righteous, but then, I'm just another blathering old nerd...

[david0aloha]

I agree, except for the silly questions comment. Questions should be encouraged - the promote dialogue, growth, and understanding.

[storytellerjack22]

Why are all of you old nerds blathering about your own agendas?!?! Hasn't anyone noticed that this talk is just bullcrap? This guy is just trying to validate his failed life as an expencive fake artist, and it makes me sick. I have no idea what he's talking about -especially when he's trying to explain why his work is important, because it isn't.

[spartan9180]

...you just ended the argument yourself- You have no idea what he's talking about.. so basically you wouldn't be able to discern whether he is a failure or not lol..

[storytellerjack22]

What I mean is that he's boring as all hell and I couldn't even finish watching it. nobody should care about the speed of falling water putting the New York skyline in perspective, because it's just expencive art that serves no valuable purpose. **I don't know what person would find this talk the least bit interesting, but good luck to you.

[spartan9180]

How is something beautiful supposed to stand aside because its 'expensive'. Where would we be if anything anyone cared about was money? Well anyway, one mans trash is another mans treasure.

[jn2403]

well, one thing that expensive art can do is attract more tourists . . .

[cannoir]

a video about space and light, and if you read the comment section you'll think we are adressing obama's healthcare plan, darfur, somalia and what not.

some people just made it a skill to just sidetrack every single comment section on TED.

the topic is interesting but I can see why its not thrilling if you are not passionated about the issue at hand,.

[columbo1988]

None the less, these comments are all made with no real debate,just simple facts that stand by themselves and prove themselves. Besides,I came to watch the video,comments just give me a different perspective on whats going on.Even if its all sidetracked, I enjoyed both video and paragraph.

cheers

[michaelglax]

cool

[CountStrangulaX]

soporific.

[thePhillipO]

very interesting, thank you very much.

[JamboyStu]

My god this guy's so boring.

[controverter]

I agree with some who think his message is a bit muddled, but then I'm used to TEDtalks having a specific theme or main point. I think the problem is that he's trying to convey a great many artistic concepts simultaneously. I give him kudos for that.

As an aside, why on earth does the comments section of every video that attempts to convey something to an intelligent audience always end in pointless and unrelated political quibbling? It's maddening.

[FuckRequiringSignUps]

Not really inspiring.

[sikes1379]

Lame as shit! Fuckin foriegn bitch ass. Go back to that shit hole place you live and think your making a difference. If you dont like what i wrote...Fuck you. This guy was a waste of time and space

[tempemonkey2323]

I agree, these new age, self proclaimed intellectual "artists" can FUCK OFF!!!

[j40505]

i agree too, dis guy was a piece of shit who was mixin so many different issues together dat letf me wonderin wot da fuck waz he tryin to get across, did he even hav an objective, he could of at least concentrated on 1 or 2 issues he raised an talk about dem, he didnt even fuckin tell us y he showed us those shapes at da begining. dis guy shouldnt b allowed to speak in public!

[langerCAN]

i love your typed language skills ;)

[Individualism101]

Right on!

[Saddamuel]

The commons is a metaphor for the environment. If everyone rapes it to get ahead and then we all die.

In your philosophy everyone acts selfishly but this is because nothing is pooled. When people form groups they can achieve more and avoid destroying their own environment. Cheats are punished.

Taxation is an extension of the pooling of resources to achieve more than an individual can alone. ie: the fire service, elimination of infectious diseases, looking after those down on their luck.

[Individualism101]

Taxation is theft. There is nothing to stop you pooling your resources in a voltunary manner with other people. This is called charity and / or non-profit organization.

Also, you confuse an ought with an is. It is precisely because everyone does always act in their own self interest -- toward the fulfillment of their utility function -- that voluntaryism must be embraced. You will never ever get a good result from forcing people against their will. All you will get is suffering and death.

[Individualism101]

In other words: evil begets evil. Violence solves nothing, and the state is an institution of violence.

[Saddamuel]

Charity only works to a certain extent as people are unwilling to contribute to something so large they cannot comprehend it. Your system may work in small numbers humans can understand.

All people want, education, health, transport. We pool our resources to achieve these. If we started from scratch and under your system none of these goods would arise as people aren't far sighted enough to work full time and devote themselves to grouping into hundreds of factions for every service they need.

[Saddamuel]

Taking your system to the extreme we should do away with money as that is imposed on us by violence and go back to a barter system.

You'd end up swapping elected representatives for faceless corporations. If government didn't exist we would invent it as indeed we already have!

How would a non government fire or ambulance service work?

[Saddamuel]

Well then let's have a referendum and ask people whether they want to abandon public schools, the fire department, ambulances, emergency care, healthcare, buses, tubes... and start from scratch. I'm sure the vast majority would 'voluntarily' choose government. If you don't want government then you can go Somalia.

You get suffering and death when the poor and uneducated aren't protected and their children aren't given opportunities to better themselves as evidenced by history.

[Individualism101]

There goes the somalia reference. I was waiting for that one.

Can we make clear that somalia is not philosophical anarchy. You call somalia anarchy because it has no powerful central state, but by the same definition I could call the pacific anarchy because all the islands there have no central state -- but they still have states. It is not anarchy, and you know it, and I know it. So lets call a dog a dog.

[Individualism101]

Also:

People can choose the government voluntarily if they want, what they cannot do is choose for the government to also fund its operations by stealing from me.

Why is this hard to understand. If these same values are universally applied that means any majority anywhere can confiscate the wealth of any minority anywhere in the name of governance and you would be fine with that.

So you advocate slavery and oppression of every kind as long as the slave owners call themselves Government.

[Saddamuel]

Consider a small scale we can understand. The people of a village contribute to defense and pay collectively for a leader to go to other towns and negotiate prices for their products. Anyone who doesn't want to pay isn't part of the village. The village is a country with government.

You still haven't explained how a fire service would work, or high speed broadband etc... wouldn't we be at the mercy of companies? Do you agree at least that we couldn't have got to where we are without government?

[Individualism101]

Your village would be fascism. If people properly own the land they occupy in the village then their contributions or noncontributions to community funds have no effect on their continued proper ownership of property in that village. What you suggest is raw majority tyranny, or fascism.

Your services would work the way most do now. If you need a taxi, you call one and pay for your trip. Or, alternatively, you could bundle police, fire with insurance. Internet is already private.

[Saddamuel]

How do you define ownership? If we start again under a completely new system I don't see how the old ideas of ownership apply.

You would be coercing me as a non owner to live in a world where people can 'own' land. Ownership is based on agreement and protect by law (ie: government).

I don't want to be forced into your world of ownership, ie: theft and violence. How can you tell me that I can't live on a piece of land just because you claim to own it?

[Individualism101]

Original ownership / first ownership I think most people agree would be basically squatters rights / homesteading. If you take unused / natural land or resources and transform them meaningfully in a way to add value, then the newly created resource is yours.

Existing ownership would probably largely continue. Although large unused plots would be open to invasion by homesteaders obviously.

Currently you cannot own land, only lease it from the gov't. Under common law you can own land outright.

[Individualism101]

Freehold land is virtually nonexistent in the world today. Everywhere you go the gov't reserves the 'right' or simply uses force to control the land that you 'buy' in it's geographical territory. But really the land is as much yours in their minds as a car you borrowed for a day.

There's no shortage of land, yet. Population is set to level off at 8.5 billion; even with that many people there is still tons of land. And don't forget space and the oceans, they are unclaimed as yet.

[Individualism101]

In this sense libertarianism is definitely (population and new land) expansionary and implicitly natalist / pro-human. Fortunately the advent of better more powerful technologies which flourish under favorable market conditions alleviates resource shortages better than any other system. And precisely because market forces are not impeded the prices of resources accurately reflect scarcity and therefore the need for exploration.

Google seasteading for an example of this in progress.

[Saddamuel]

You think it would be better if everyone paid companies separately? Say there is a fire in a house next door to you but they weren't a member of a fire service... Or say there was an infectious disease which could be eliminated by a pooling of resources. Does private insurance do a better job than say, the European systems.

Do you really think your system was workable in large populations before the advent of telecommunications?

It's actually the tragedy of the unregulated commons.

[Individualism101]

There isn't such a thing as private insurance anywhere in the world right now. What you have are closed markets (oligopolies) supported by government legislation in which it is necessary to have a rare government issued license to run an insurance company. This monopoly causes prices to be very high.

Fire in next-door neighbours house or emergency is easily solved by charity work on the part of private companies (good will). Or, if you don't trust, have a voluntary community fund.

[Individualism101]

There are two ways of gathering resources. The economics means (also known as work) and the political means (also known as taxation.) The closest any society has come to outlawing the political means (which is theft, fraud, slavery, and war) is probably in the mild west. But also, ancient iceland and ireland had quite liberal societies in which taxation and central government were really very very minimal.

I think philosophical anarchism is as possible as protestantism was when it first emerged

[Individualism101]

What you have today is unregulated socialist states. These monsters have leeched what capitalism existed in their economies dry and now they exist like a hull around a void. Europe is in for some really serious problems, because it is 99% socialist right now. The rigid hierarchy associated with topdown planned economies prevents the children from working productively whilst affording them few benefits. You will see a flight (or brain drain) on a massive scale to Asia, where markets are freer.

[lidixmang]

When you mention 'realms' are you really talking about psychedelics? Because in my experience, psychedelics BECOME the actual and the perceived. So, abstinence from them, or any other mind altering practice, like meditation or fasting, will leave us void of the euphoric "feeling" of space and time changing around us. Hence, the angst of modern survival and lack of understanding.

It's no wonder why so many people smoke weed.

[stevestevejam]

It so happens that the evaluated relationship is nothing but a questioned affirmation.

[lvecsey]

good example with the waterfall. i like how these clips totally confuse the youtube audience

[RustyCyler]

this guy reminds me of the "European dude" who's always sitting in Conan's audience.

very interesting discussion tho. 5 stars

[generationalist]

I did not like the waterfall in New York. I thought it was a waste of effort, money and time. The artist's explanation sounds contrived to justify the silly nature of the piece. If you want to know distance, space and time in a city you simply watch a different kind of flow. Pedestrian and motor vehicle traffic flow. You gain an added functional component with traffic in the sense that time is not just measured by a fixed waterfall rate but by a variable traffic flow rate yielding time of day.

[1337cole1337]

All the money for this was raised by private donors, not tax payer's money, and is expected to generate over 50 million in tourist revenue which will stimulate the economy.

[generationalist]

1337cole Don't bs me. In addition to the cost of building it; the object was set up on a public infrastructure and located in a major metropolitan city. There were city engineers that had to be consulted. Politicians had to be schmoozed to get it built, safety systems arranged and approved through city bureaucracy... Tell me that every penny was paid for from private donation and I will need for you to show me your sources for your belief of private funding. And show me the return on investment.

[generationalist]

Also 1337cole, did you even read my comment. In my first comment I never even mentioned tax dollars only that it was a waste of money - regardless of whether it was publicly or privately funded. It was a waterfall in the middle of a city. It does not give a sense of scale as there are no natural landmarks by which to gauge it. The mountains he spoke of are not present and the scale of buildings is not an apples to apples comparison with mountains in terms of scale. Pointless subjective waste.

[ravkes]

that chick was trippinnn harddd hahaha

[FTLNewsFeed]

You understand that we subsidize tons of things that are/are not productive. We subsidize farmers, manufacturers, research, schools and universities, the elderly, the disabled, etc.

[Ikaath]

Are you really suggesting that research, schools and universities are "not productive" ways to spend public money?

/sigh

[Individualism101]

Yes.

Anything that requires theft -- slavery -- to exist is unproductive by the emergent and fair scale of the market.

You produce something by combining land labour and capital, if the total market value of the product is less than that of the resources used to produce, then you are operating at a loss; in other words you are being unproductive relative to the production others could engage in with those same resources.

[Saddamuel]

The elderly, the disabled?

Haven't you heard of the tragedy of the commons. There's a shared commons and it's in each herder's self interest to let as many of his cows graze there as he can but if everyone makes this decision which is beneficial to himself then eventually the commons are ruined for all.

If we pool resources through taxes then we can make things that we wouldn't pay for individually because we fear others wouldn't participate equally or we can't see the long term product.

[Individualism101]

If you pool resources through taxation you will have a tragedy of the commons in the tax pool.

[Saddamuel]

I don't think you know what the tragedy of the commons is. The tragedy is that by acting in one's own self interest we actually act against our best interests long term. The commons are destroyed by selfish but rational behaviour.

For example, you may one day have a seriously disabled child and find it beyond your means to look after them. As such it is in your own self interests to make sure society looks after the unfortunates as that may one day be you.

[Individualism101]

So far example, with socialized medicine, which is a common thing, everyone will try to get as much out of it as they can whilst putting back in as little as possible.

And for the tax pool in general: everyone will try to get as many benefits as possible out of the tax pool whilst putting back in as little as possible.

You are correct about the tragedy of the commons sir, it is simply that the argument works against rather than in favour of your position.

[FTLNewsFeed]

Was that directed at me?

[LeCramp]

I've worked in an art museum that featured an Olafour Eliasson exhebition, and I've been a fan oever since.

Seeing visitors of all ages repond to his works, is quite amazing. Kids and old people alike will stand around for a long time and really experience the visual, and interact with it. It really is amazing to watch.

The pictures in this video does not do his work justice. And writing him off without experiencing it is doing yourself a great disservice.

The same goes for Bill Viola.

[lidixmang]

You didn't understand the part where the girl was moving her leg around, while watching herself in a huge mirror above, to see if she was looking at herself or not?

You didn't understand the part where he described the distance across ranges could be measured by watching a waterfall, based on the inherent ability to size up a waterfall?

You didn't understand the implications he made about humans disconnecting themselves from the 2-dimensional world around them?

[supajive]

wtf was this

[elspoko]

You do realize most of the folks sitting there are interested and knowledgable about what he's talking about...right?

You can't just buy tickets to hear them talk, you have to be invited. And they don't invite idiots to fill seats.

[TGGeko]

fascinating. However, I must say that I think experience comes from thinking and doing.

[Individualism101]

Could this guy be anymore useless.

Yes yes, you go 'negotiate with that space' we'll all go over here and do something productive.

[crossingthechannel]

Who decides what's productive or not?

Don't be a stuck up little snob. Apparently far more people in the world care about what he does than what you do in the name of "productivity"

[Individualism101]

The market does. Didn't you hear the part where he gets paid by the government?

[FTLNewsFeed]

Funny, your post is actually counter-productive.

[Individualism101]

When you are prepared to pay the 'artist' in question to fill rivers with green dye then come talk to me. No one would pay for this stupidity except the government, because the government is taking my money to pay this loser.

Your claim is that this is productive, so vote with your wallet. Go out and buy this 'art'.

[FTLNewsFeed]

No, I claimed that you posting was counter-productive, which is different from claiming that his art is productive.

And I'd have to ask how did you find out that his art was not productive. Did you interview everyone who saw the art and they admitted that they were not moved or touched by it to action. Did you measure his productivity against an artist scale and determine that it was lacking? Did it not conform to some productive art form?

[Dhyanaman]

Oh yes. I enjoyed the video about the water apes too!

[Dhyanaman]

This was fascinating. This guy is a refreshing and original thinker. He conveyed the spirit and relevance of art in a highly condensed manner.

[JonKiddthe3rd]

Bunch of shite for the most part. Good with the bad, Ted. Thanks for the free crap ; P

More talks on the water people theory please.

[Mastikator]

A car made out of ICE?

...

ok..

[storytellerjack22]

Exactly! I should've shut it off right then rather than later. What kind of space monkey makes a car out of ice? These nonsense artists make me sick.

[david0aloha]

Because there's something elegant and beautiful about it - something about the impossibility that is inspiring - and I think that helps people to look at designing cars from a different angle. Ice is beautiful, why not construct it and try to mimic it? (and don't give me BS about the look of vehicles doesn't matter, because consumers respond to looks and manufacturers spend huge amounts of money on aesthetics).

[ZombieToaster]

An automated script that perform a task over and over again. Like putting a thousand votes on a video in a few seconds.

[zodaTooth]

ok ,,,, thnx fore reply