If GOD CHOSE that Adam and Eve would fall (despite telling them NOT to eat the Apple) then how can humanity be judged on God's choice? Calvin burns people at the stake if they disagree? Serve me with french fries!
Dave Hunt needs, in the interests of accuracy, and fairness to Calvin, to clarify that remark about Calvin being "on the pay-roll" of the CC for several years after he separated from it. This implies that Calvin was playing a double game, & being a hypocrite
Calvin does not deserve to be accused, unless accusations against him can be proved - so what is the proof ?
Calvin was outstanding in many ways: as an organiser, a theologian, an interpreter of the Bible, to name only three. One needn't be a Calvinist to recognise that, or even a Protestant. But for him, it is at least possible that the Reformation would have fizzled out. Someone of no character or intelligence could not have had the immense effect he has had, & IMHO he deserves far better than to be attacked by modern Protestants - but for him, they might not even be Christians.
Yes, he was a mere man - but, at least in some ways, Protestantism owes him a very great debt. When Protestant historians say this, ISTM pretty safe to agree with them. One can respect what he achieved, while regretting aspects of what he stood for. One need not even say his influence on Protestantism was entirely benign; but some at least of his personal qualities do deserve respect.
The tyranny is a subject in itself. There's a lot to be said in his favour, as well as against.
@herald1509 , mmm , i think you'll be in trouble when StandForTheNIV sees your comment, that will be worth @ least 3 or4 comments. The general rule is about 5 to 1. That is if anyone makes one comment, StandForTheNIV comes up 5 to counter.
Would be refreshing if there was a fraction of substance to any of her comments.
I think thats why she relies so heavily on the old cut & paste. Oh well we live in hope that substance & originality might be forth coming one day. All things are possible.
@zacqt So what do you want me to do with all of these personal attacks of yours? You have no substance. I rely on the scriptures for truth and not the twisted theology of man. You speak of fruit yet you show none. Is mocking, attacking the NIV Bible and slander a fruit of the spirit?
@zacqt You hate the NIV Bible so you hate the scriptures. What kind of believer hates and mocks the Word of God? I'm telling you that if your purpose is to personally attack me and degrade me then you are doing the Devil's work and you need to find something better to do with your time.
Funny how one minute you are crying and want me to be your friend and then the next minute you are personally attacking me and mocking me. What you are doing is wrong and you need to stop.
@zacqt Just to let you know that I unblocked you yesterday hoping that you would tell me exactly what you want and what you are up to but you never sent me a message. Since you are continuing your personal attacks on me I am putting you back on block and it would be really nice if I never heard from you again. I really have better things to do and I don't have time for your mind games anymore. Thanks.
@zacqt I belong to Christ and look forward to eternity. In the end your hate and attacks mean nothing. I will continue to contend for the faith using the scriptures to defend the faith. Even the scriptures in the NIV Bible.
11"Blessed are you when people insult you, persecute you and falsely say all kinds of evil against you because of me. 12Rejoice and be glad, because great is your reward in heaven, for in the same way they persecuted the prophets who were before you.
@StandForTheFaith I'll believe there's a difference between the two when you provide scripture to back it up. Still waiting for a verse that says that faith is not a gift. Until you find it, please don't message me.
@herald1509 What seems to be your stumbling block? The faith has to come from you. You can accept or reject Christ. Do you think that God wants you to reject Christ, his very own Son? Think about that. Here are some verses clearly stating that you can refuse to believe which implies choice.
Acts 19:9 NIV
But some of them became obstinate; they refused to believe and publicly maligned the Way.
Acts 14:2 NIV
But the Jews who refused to believe stirred up the Gentiles ....
10that at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, in heaven and on earth and under the earth, 11and every tongue confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.
Now, are you going to tell me that God doesn't want all unbeliever's to come to Christ? Does it give God glory when people reject Christ?
@herald1509@herald1509 That is a lie. If you are going to publicly lie about me then at least respond to me so I get notified of the post. Here is a verse stating what God thinks about faith.
Hebrews 11:6 NIV
6And without faith it is impossible to please God, because anyone who comes to him must believe that he exists and that he rewards those who earnestly seek him.
16know that a man is not justified by observing the law, but by faith in Jesus Christ. So we, too, have put our faith in Christ Jesus that we may be justified by faith in Christ and not by observing the law, because by observing the law no one will be justified.
@StandForTheFaith ..Romans 3:31 Do we then make void the law through faith? God forbid: yea, we establish the law.
You don't know the Law of faith Linda, real faith producers beneficial spiritual fruit. You just cause division, stir trouble, cut & paste NIV & have limited understanding even of that. You call Christians heretics & yet demonstrate zero discretion in discernment. To live up to your title, just for a change, be slow to speak & fast to listen. James ch 3 is good value, please read.
@zacqt You are in no position to correct me on anything. You are what I consider to be a self-righteous hypocrite. The reason you refer to me by my personal name is? If anyone is a trouble maker it is you. You cannot be trusted. You are what the Bible refers to as a false brother. Where is your spiritual fruit? I haven't seen any.
It wasn't too long ago that you stated you were crying and I showed mercy to you. Now you lie and slander me. You need to repent.
@zacqt You do not understand the relationship between faith and works. If you are implying that I am saying that you just have faith and then live like the Devil then you are wrong. Your eyes need to be on Jesus and not on yourself and your works. You cannot work for your salvation because then it wouldn't be a gift but an obligation. Genuine faith produces fruit. James talks about saving faith and dead faith. Maybe you need to read that to understand more clearly.
@zacqt I would suggest that you keep yourself busy and look at yourself. I have no use for your lies and belittling comments. Go find someone else to harass.
Maybe you should be slow to judge and fast to understand. I would suggest you read the verses that address the Pharisees and their hypocrisy. It is good value, please read.
@zacqt What is your title? The accuser of the brethren? You live up to that title perfectly. You are a phony and a pretender just like your little friend. Now, be gone!
@zacqt I just expose false doctrines and heresies and that is what really bothers you. Is lying a form of spiritual fruit? Is being untrustworthy a form of spiritual fruit? Is supporting heresies a form of spiritual fruit? Is being a hypocrite a form of spiritual fruit? I could go on and on but there is no need.
Your problem is that you don't look at yourself and that you want to control others. I really have no need to talk to you since I know what you are all about. Just go away!
@zacqt You say I have limited understanding? Really? I study the Bible and have for many years. You stated once that you do not just have to believe to be saved. You go against what Jesus said and what Paul taught. You are a Galatian proclaiming another gospel which is really no gospel at all. Even a child can understand the gospel so don't tell me your lies.
7:21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.
7:22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not
prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and
in thy name done many wonderful works?
7:23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from
@zacqt Maybe instead of harassing me all the time you should unblock me and then tell me what you want and then be done with it. I don't like people that do the back stabbing routine. If you are trying to force me to believe in Calvinistic theology then you are wasting your time. If you are trying to discourage me then you are wasting your time. If you are trying to make me only read the KJV exclusively then you are wasting your time. Basically, you are wasting your time.
@StandForTheFaith ,So those in Mathew 7v21&22 did they "believe" in Jesus or think they believed?. Did Judas believe in Jesus,? does Satan still believe & know who Christ is.? Paul thought he knew God & the Bible also & went around killing Christians(.Act9v5). It is the Gift of God,-Truth & Grace. Head knowledge & heart knowledge are 2 different things. Mathew13 v3~43 read this & you will see that, zero spiritual generation = zero salvation. It is God that gives the increase.
15"Watch out for false prophets. They come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ferocious wolves.
I think the scripture speaks for itself. It says they are false. Very similar to the Pharisees that had an appearance of righteousness on the outside but their hearts were very far away from God.
Judas was false. Satan never believed in Christ. Paul didn't know Christ.
@zacqt Knowing who someone is and believing in them are two different things. Satan does not believe in Christ. Satan does not have faith in Christ.
I already know that faith without works is dead but you are still saved by faith alone. If it is by works then salvation is no longer a gift but an obligation.
Remember it is Satan who is the accuser of the brethren. Your accusations and insinuations definitely don't come from God.
@zacqt I don't know where you got your twisted theology from but maybe you should just start at the very beginning and humble yourself before God in repentance and believe and have faith in Christ to save you. Ask Christ to save you from your sins and to have mercy upon you. Ask God to fill you with the Holy Spirit. Then you will be saved and sealed with the Holy Spirit. Then you will know what it really means to be regenerated and then you will produce fruit.
@zacqt Why did you ignore the verse regarding fearing God? Also, consider this. People are judged for either accepting or rejecting Christ. Do you think that God would make people or want them to reject his very own Son whom he sent as an atonement for man's sins? I would hope you don't think that! But if you really think that God wants people to reject Christ then why will all those who do so be judged for this?
Romans 10:9-11 NIV 9That if you confess with your mouth, "Jesus is Lord," and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved. 10For it is with your heart that you believe and are justified, and it is with your mouth that you confess and are saved. 11As the Scripture says, "Anyone who trusts in him will never be put to shame."[a]
@zacqt If you want to quote verses out of context and twist them and mock my faith in Christ I have no time for you. Conversations are two way exchanges. You need to answer questions and not just fling accusations. If you continue wasting my time I will just ignore you in the future because nothing is accomplished.
@zacqt Faith comes from you. You are personally responsible for either accepting or rejecting Christ. God holds you accountable. You worship God with your heart and mind and your soul. Your total being.
You are misapplying the scriptures. You need to repent and believe and have faith in Christ first before you receive the Holy Spirit and are regenerated or born again. If you have the Holy Spirit inside of you then you belong to Christ.
@zacqt You are saved through faith. Faith precedes salvation. Are you saying that those who are saved the biblical way are not really saved but only think that they are saved? Are you trying to get people that have genuine faith in Christ to doubt their salvation? I hope that is not your intent.
He redeemed us in order that the blessing given to Abraham might come to the Gentiles through Christ Jesus, so that by faith we might receive the promise of the Spirit.
@StandForTheFaith Here's a thought. Why don't you post the scripture that says that faith is not a gift from God? Why beat around the bush? You condemn as a heretic anyone who believes that faith is a gift, so if you've got any proof then show it already. The fact that you can't might be a hint that it's time you gave up your mission to condemn people who differ from your human opinion. For all you know, by condemning a view without biblical support, you could be condemning God as well.
@herald1509 Abraham's faith came from? There are numerous verses that state your faith, his faith, etc. Without faith it is impossible to please God. God isn't pleasing himself with his own faith. You are pleasing him with your faith.
@Stand God pleases himself by giving someone faith. The faith is theirs, but that doesn't mean it comes from them. Think about it. Do you have money? Yes? Does that make you the national mint? Just because you have something, doesn't make you the source. Your problem is that your view lacks Scripture, so you rely on your reason, which isn't very good. Until you can come up with a verse that says that faith is not a gift from God, I have nothing more to say to you except "1 Corinthians 12:8-9".
@herald1509 You are trying to twist a very clear scripture to support your false Calvinistic theology. People put their faith in Christ. Faith means more than just believing it means to put your trust in God. That comes from you.
Consider this. God wants all men to be saved and commands everyone to repent. So according to your theology God should give everyone faith. My question to you is why doesn't he? Remember your answer cannot contradict what God says in the following verses:
I have never read Calvin nor St. Augustine and their beliefs. I depend on the Lord to teach me of His ways, which are far higher than ours.
Anyone who does not believe God's word concerning salvation and how one is saved; not by works, but through the Faith of Jesus Christ our Lord, is really not saved at all, it's devastating to think that so many think they be saved by their own so-called Free Will. It hurts their pride to think there is nothing in them that desires God. Absolute depravity.
@ez2seeu2 Ever read Shakespeare? Methinks the lady doth protest too much?
Your theology did not come from the Bible but from the man Calvin who was inspired by Augustine. You hold to a Calvinistic theology which insults the nature of God and nullifies the Gospel of Christ.
It is through faith in Christ that you are saved. You are promoting a false gospel and want to avoid any personal accountability. God always has conditions and the condition to being saved is faith in Christ.
@StandForTheFaith I do not lie, what I was taught has been through the inspiration of the Holy Spirit my Teacher. John14:27 "But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you." I've NEVER read anything by Calvin, or Augustine, so do not even bring up their names, it will do you no good. My Faith come from the Lord, the faith of Jesus Christ.
@ez2seeu2 1Jn 2:27 " But the anointing which ye have received of him abideth in you, and ye need not that any man teach you: but as the same anointing teacheth you of all things, and is truth, and is no lie, and even as it hath taught you, ye shall abide in him."
Rom 3:22 Even the righteousness of God which is by faith of Jesus Christ unto all and upon all them that believe: for there is no difference:
Rom 3:23 For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;
@ez2seeu2 The plan of salvation is in the scriptures. Even a child can understand it. The faith needs to come from you. If you believe the Calvinistic doctrines, that did not come from the Holy Spirit since the Holy Spirit is the spirit of truth. God wants all men to be saved. It's in the Bible. How did you miss this verse?
1 Timothy 2:3,4 NIV
3This is good, and pleases God our Savior, 4who wants all men to be saved and to come to a knowledge of the truth.
@ez2seeu2 I believe I just quoted a verse to someone else regarding having your faith tested. If the faith comes from God as you claim then it wouldn't need to be tested. Why would God need to test his own faith? The faith comes from you. You are the one who needs to believe and have faith in Christ to be saved. That is what the Bible teaches.
@StandForTheFaith For it is Jesus Christ himself that is the author and finisher of my Faith, He chose me, I did not chose Him. He gave me the gift to believe, by granting me the faith to believe in Him.
For you have not the Spirit of the Living God, nor do you know Him.
Flesh is enmity against God, and desires "nothing" of His Truth, His Way according to His Word.
There is nothing good in man period that desires God, His Word proclaims it, I stand on God's word not yours.
@ez2seeu2 You don't know what you are talking about. I was saved when I was about 12 years old. Who are you to tell me that I don't have the Holy Spirit living inside of me and that I don't know Christ, The Father and the Holy Spirit? You are deluded and are an enemy of the Gospel of Christ. You don't care about all the lost people you are just self-absorbed and as long as you think God chose you who cares about the rest. That kind of attitude doesn't come from God but from you.
@StandForTheFaith You surely are a very presumptuous & fouled mouthed so-called Christian woman, other men have seen your fruit, and it's not of God, it's filled with a feminist women spirit , it's called "Jezebel spirit". I have had other people tell me about your fouled language it was so embarrasing they could not read your complete message, so they have 'blocked' you from their channel's and video.
@ez2seeu2 What does this have to do with the scripture verses I quoted? You obviously want to attack me and get personal so as you wish. Other men have seen my fruit? What do you mean by that? I am here to expose heresies and contend for the faith. I am more than positive that the Devil sent one of your little friends over to me to try to make me fall. But God is faithful and sustained me through that temptation that I have never experienced before and will not put up with again.
@ez2seeu2 Feminist woman spirit? Don't make me laugh. I am very traditional and not a feminist. You are a liar. Did you get that lie from your little friend? You've had other people tell you about foul language that was so embarrasing they could not read my complete message? You have got to be kidding? If you are referring to who I think you are I already told that person previously that I sometimes still swear but am working on it. I am not completely perfect and do not pretend.
@ez2seeu2 Nothing worse than a lying hypocrite in my opinion. In fact the terrible language I used in that correspondence was that I stated I was pissed off at the person and I think I used the word crap. I often hear worse language in the grocery store so I think the accusations were a bit exaggerated to say the least. Of course you must think you are perfect.
Does it make you feel better about yourself to try to destroy me?
@ez2seeu2 You are a scumbag and a liar. I am not a feminist nor do I go house to house gossiping. I debate on here regarding theological issues. It is you and your scumbag little friend that gossips. You are worse than a woman regarding your loose lips. You have very poor judgment. Go ahead and lie all you like. God knows the truth and so do I.
Let your little machinist friend lie all he wants to try to assuage his guilt. Quite typical I might add. I am sick of his mind games.
Just to set the record straight. Your little machinist friend continuously back stabs me and I am the one who blocked him first after the last back stabbing incident. As for the offended one? I actually thought he was a decent person and am quite disappointed about that one. I even helped him by debating on one of his videos. He blocked me because of those two words I used. For his sake I hope he is absolutely perfect because I am not.
@ez2seeu2 As for your stupid false accusations? I am definitely not a feminist. I believe women should be keepers of the home and that is what I do. I don't have time nor do I want to go door to door and gossip. You are a liar. I don't like gossip or small talk. It is too boring for me. I can talk about theology and deeper subjects all day long but not gossiping like you claim. You have a small mind but I do not.
@ez2seeu2 This is a typical day in my very immoral lifestyle. I am stating this just to show what a loser and liar you really are.
I take care of my home which includes cleaning, paying the bills, grocery shopping and of course cooking. I also take care of my two dogs and my grandbaby and husband. I have a soho and use the computer for that and of course spend time on YouTube debating theology and making videos. I hope you are not too terribly disappointed.
@ez2seeu2 I did a little research on the Jezebel spirit and here is what I came up with. "The Queen of Heaven/Jezebel/Mystery Babylon/Harlot Spirit is a very religious spirit, but it promotes religious things that are contrary to God. Jezebel promotes fleshly indulgence amongst God's people and shuns the cross."
And you apply that to me? What you have done is evil by falsely accusing me. You need to repent. Lying is not a fruit of the Holy Spirit nor is hatred for a fellow believer.
@ez2seeu2 You don't have a right to judge anyone's heart. Only God can do that. I have been saved the biblical way many years ago and I have faith in the blood of Christ for my redemption. I publicly proclaim that Jesus is Lord.
If you don't consider me a fellow believer then that is on your conscience, not mine. As far as I can see there is no love or light in you unless someone agrees with your theology.
I belong to Christ whether you accept that or not. God knows the truth and so do I.
19We love because he first loved us. 20If anyone says, "I love God," yet hates his brother, he is a liar. For anyone who does not love his brother, whom he has seen, cannot love God, whom he has not seen. 21And he has given us this command: Whoever loves God must also love his brother.
@ez2seeu2 Seems you are very quiet now regarding your accusations. The people you seem to be gossiping with about me may have failed to mention some things. In regards to your machinist little friend I have showed compassion to him more than once even though he continually does the stab in the back routine. The last time I befriended him even when I didn't want to because he was upset or so he claimed. I even attempted to reconcile him and the other one. I sure didn't do that for myself.
@ez2seeu2 How would you like it if someone took advantage of you like this over and over again? As for the offended one? I never did anything personally against him and didn't deserve to be rejected over two words. I gave him many good book references and discussed theology with him. I was and still am concerned about him buying into the Calvinistic philosophy but he is free to choose what he believes. I sent numerous messages using the scriptures to make my point.
@ez2seeu2 You have publicly maligned my character and misrepresented me. That is just plain wrong and anyone with a conscience wouldn't do such things.
You speak about spiritual abuse yet you commit the same sins. Your bashing the NIV and other people's musical tastes and unmercifully judging others is spiritual abuse as far as I am concerned.
I would say that you need to take the log out of your own eye before trying to pick the speck out of your brother's eye.
@StandForTheFaith For the record, I testify of the Lord Jesus Christ to most people I know, I have lost friends due to this, others I still have, but my life, by the grace of God is a testimony to Him, and I spread this to whom ever will listen as the Holy Spirit leads. Jesus only did that which His Father wanted of Him. So I also let the Lord lead me. But the Love of God in my heart is not in vain and not self-serving, if it was I wouldn't keep responding to you. May the Lord open your ears
@ez2seeu2 Ever heard of the God-fearing Greeks and the Centurion? Maybe you need to study the Bible a lot more before making false assumptions and accusations.
It is Satan that is the accuser of the brethren and your accusations don't come from God or the Holy Spirit.
I belong to Christ and he purchased me with his blood that was shed on the cross. I belong to Christ and there is nothing you can do about it. Jesus is Lord!
37On the last and greatest day of the Feast, Jesus stood and said in a loud voice, "If anyone is thirsty, let him come to me and drink. 38Whoever believes in me, as[a] the Scripture has said, streams of living water will flow from within him."
25Jesus said to her, "I am the resurrection and the life. He who believes in me will live, even though he dies; 26and whoever lives and believes in me will never die. Do you believe this?"
You are the one who needs to believe.
You are a deceiver and no one should take you seriously. You claim to know the truth yet what you say goes against the scriptures.
But I will continue to spread the truth of my Lord's Word as He sees it, and reveals it to me, not you or any other man will take me off the narrow path. "Let God be true and every man a liar" and by the Grace of God if He should use it to open their eyes to His truth and grant someone the gift of Repentance, then all the Glory goes to Him, for He and He alone is the only one worthy of ALL PRAISE, Glory and Honor. For He alone is WORTHY. AMEN!
@ez2seeu2 Of course after you have tried to degrade me you are done. Are you proud of yourself now? Does it make you feel better about yourself?
You spout off a lot of your own opinions and claim they come from God. However, everything is tested by the scriptures. When tested against the scriptures your theories fall short of reality.
Repentance leads to salvation. You need to have faith in Christ to be saved. That is biblical. You can deny reality all you want but it doesn't change it
@ez2seeu2 Your purpose is to try to discourage me and make me feel like garbage. That does not come from God. You are the evil gossiper, not me. I will continue to expose heresies and contend for the faith whether you slander me or not.
If you really knew who I was and how I live you would hang your head in shame for making such harsh untrue judgments about me.
You are a liar and you listen to liars. Have a nice day!
Your rendition of the gospel is false. You need to repent and have faith to be saved. If you don't know that then you don't understand the Gospel of Christ. God doesn't want anyone to perish contrary to what you might choose to think.
1 Timothy 2:4 NIV
who wants all men to be saved and to come to a knowledge of the truth.
@ez2seeu2 I'd like to ask you a question. What do you think Christ thinks about you lying about me? Do you think he approves? I happen to belong to Christ and he has purchased me with his blood.
You keep accusing that I am not saved and don't know God. That is a lie from the pit of Hell. Do you think Christ approves of you lying like this? I have the Holy Spirit living inside of me and you lie and say I do not? You are a very foolish man.
@ez2seeu2 I really think you need to repent and apologize to me for such false accusations. You also falsely accused me of being a heretic on one of my videos and I sent you a private message telling you of the offense and asking for an apology. You declined to respond in private but then chose to publicly malign my character. Is that how a Christian should act?
The only person you are concerned about is yourself.
@ez2seeu2 You will continue to spread lies about the Gospel of Christ and those that oppose your false gospel. Anyone can read the Bible for themselves to prove that you are an enemy of the Gospel. The Gospel is not passive. God does not make you repent or believe and have faith. The scriptures are more than clear that without faith it is impossible to please God. You are the one that needs to have the faith. You are the one that needs to put your total trust in Christ to save you.
@ez2seeu2 Now that you are finished with your petty insults back to the truth of the scriptures. You claim repentance is a gift. Wrong! Repentance is a condition of your heart. Here is a verse where God commands everyone to repent. God is telling you to repent. God is not giving the gift of repentance to some and not to others.
@ez2seeu2 Also, here is a verse stating that even the Gentiles were granted repentance. So based on this alone and your understanding all Gentiles should be saved but in actuality they are not. What this means is that all Gentiles are given the opportunity to repent. They are the ones who choose to repent or not to repent.
17So he reasoned in the synagogue with the Jews and the God-fearing Greeks, as well as in the marketplace day by day with those who happened to be there.
Contrary to what you have said previously reasoning is biblical.
6And without faith it is impossible to please God, because anyone who comes to him must believe that he exists and that he rewards those who earnestly seek him.
Romans 4:3 NIV
3What does the Scripture say? "Abraham believed God, and it was credited to him as righteousness."
It was Abraham who believed and had faith. It came from Abraham and was credited to him as righteousness. The righteousness that comes by faith.
4Now when a man works, his wages are not credited to him as a gift, but as an obligation. 5However, to the man who does not work but trusts God who justifies the wicked, his faith is credited as righteousness.
Here it clearly states that it is the man that trusts in God. And the faith is referred to as his faith meaning the man's faith. The man needs to put his faith in Christ.
8For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith—and this not from yourselves, it is the gift of God— 9not by works, so that no one can boast.
Here it states you are saved by grace which is a gift from God. Salvation is a gift. But, you receive this gift through faith. Your believing and faith comes before you are saved since you are saved through faith. Faith is the condition through which you are saved. You are not regenerated first.
13And you also were included in Christ when you heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation. Having believed, you were marked in him with a seal, the promised Holy Spirit, 14who is a deposit guaranteeing our inheritance until the redemption of those who are God's possession—to the praise of his glory.
Here it describes how you are included in Christ. First the Gospel message, then you believe and have faith, then you are sealed with the Holy Spirit.
I have always admired Mr. Hunt, and TA McMahon, but since I've been studying the Bible with the Holy Spirit as my teacher, I have come to know that the 'reasoning' mind, which is the will of the flesh, does not save you. All inspiration leading to salvation comes from our heavenly Father. Even the Faith to believe comes from God the Father, Jesus chooses His followers, no one chooses God, to think so is the spirit of Pride that man is capable of choosing God, choosing good over evil.
@ez2seeu2 That is right. Your reasoning mind doesn't save you. Having faith in Christ does. To have faith means more than just believing in Christ it means putting your total trust in him to save you. This faith comes from you.
Pride has nothing to do with it. Everyone that seeks God needs to do so with a humble heart.
@ez2seeu2 People full of pride don't seek God since they don't fear God nor do they think they need God for anything. Their god is themselves. If a man seeks God and repents I can guarantee you that it is not from a spirit of pride but of humility.
The faith comes from you. If God gives you the faith then all men would have faith and be saved since God wants all men saved. You are implying that God gives faith to some and not to others. You are implying that God wants some to reject Christ.
Calvin, 'there are others who assail me as a master in cruelty and atrocity, for attacking with my pen not only a dead man, but one who perished by my hands.' So it is not ok to attack Calvin with the pen, but it is ok to kill Calvin? Calvin was incensed: 'We must stamp out this burst of hell-fire before it spreads over the surface of the earth. Freedom of conscience is a doctrine of the devil. Better to have a tyrant, however cruel, than permit everyone do what he pleases' Thank God for Hitler!
John Calvin was a murderer. In Defence of the Orthodox Faith in the Sacred Trinity, Calvin said, ...do not fail to rid the country of those scoundrels, who stir up the people to revolt against us. Such monsters should be exterminated, as I have exterminated Michael Servetus the Spaniard. And Calvin said, Whoever shall now contend that it is unjust to put heretics and blasphemers to death will knowingly and willingly incur their very guilt. So unless I murder Calvinists I will be guilty?
It is not that you lack knowledge herald, but you don't abiding in the knowledge that you do have; you don't listen to your own conscience to realize that you re not a child of God, for you continue to refuse to repent and believe in Christ to be regnerated. You want to be saved selfishly by just assuming you are regenerated without prior repentance and faith. God wants a real relationship, not forcing Himself on people, and certainly not being an evil tyrant passing over people with no grace.
I know most Calvinsts are not born-again because they refuse to repent and believe in Christ TO BE regenerated. And I see them working for their salvation like you guys said because Calvinists don't really know if they were saved or not since it was never their choice. What's really scary is they say the reason why some people go to Hell is because God didn't irresistibly select to be saved like He did for the allegedly elect of Calvinism. Imagine from birth made for Hell! What love is this?
But He doesn't treat everyone the same. God said, "I will have mercy on whom I will have mercy, and I will have compassion on whom I will have compassion". The mercy of God, upon which we all depend, is free and unconditional.
Are you punking me? He doesn't have to treat us all exactly the same, but He does provide sufficient grace for us all otherwise He would be unrighteous; as the Bible says none of us are "without excuse" (Rom 1.20). God's grace is unconditionally sufficient but election is conditional.
We are "without excuse", because we can't claim ignorance, "For since the creation of the world God's invisible qualities—his eternal power and divine nature—have been clearly seen, being understood from what has been made, so that men are without excuse". Dude, you're slaughtering Scripture.
You can't claim ignorance because everyone has received sufficient grace whether through common grace as in Romans 1.20 or special grace of the gospel. You've slaughtered this verse. There is no such thing as Total depravity, for God provided sufficient grace for all; ergo, not even you are Totally depraved.
Are you Telling me the Trinity is not true because in a verse talking about the 3 Persons of the Godhead, the word Trinity is not used? It's wrong to hold a doublestandard. So if God making himself known to us all is not grace, then what is it? Disgrace?
I'm just asking how you got "grace" out of that verse. It talks about people being given enough knowledge to be held responsible. Is being held responsible your definition of grace?
You don't like being held responsible? Typical for a Calvinist. If God hadn't given us this knowledge to receive Him, none of us would be saved. I'd say that's grace, not disgrace. You're trying disgrace God. I often feel Calvinists are mocking God.
Being held responsible, is justice, which is good, but is certainly not grace. 'Justice' is getting what you deserve, whereas 'grace' is getting something good that you don't deserve. The Bible teaches that people are saved by grace, not justice. Having the knowledge of good and evil did not come as a gift from God. And the moral responsibility that comes from this knowledge isn't grace either. Grace saves us from being judged for our sins.
Of course salvation is by grace, that is not the issue before us. The issue is whether the kind of grace you purport to be really grace. God pleads with us and provides sufficient grace to us all to have the choice - the responsibility. Being born into sin and sent to Hell with no grace for the opportunity to be saved is disgrace - the disgrace of Calvinism. There is no justice in that. But there is justice in sending you to Hell because you refuse God's love. Grace is sufficient, not imposed.
This discussion is pointless. Your comments lack sufficient knowledge of the subject and any semblance of logical coherence. On top of this your attitude is fundamentally accusatory and anti-Christian. May God, one day enlighten you and forgive you for condemning him and his truth.
It's pointless because you are stuck under the possession of worshipng an evil god will morals below man's sensibities (which you make in your image), and you are committed to that come hell or highwater. You've made your choice, now you seek to try to understand it without listening to your conscience which convicts you it is evil for God to irresistibly impose salvation and pass over billions with no grace whatsoever even though they were born that way. Is this not how Hitler treated the Jews?
What you worship is not God of the Bible so you are judged by the verse you cite. The man-centered power of your soul to assume regeneration is a selfish salvation and easy-believism. Sadly, still you are still unwilling to repent and believe in Christ to receive regeneration of your spirit. God's grace is sufficient for every last soul made in His image and may be saved whosoever is willing. But your god is not powerful enough to be able to do this, so God of the Bible trumps your god any day.
You're the one who emphasizes man's power to believe and regenerate himself. On top of this you've condemned God for condemning blasphemers to death. And you started all this by calling the knowledge that condemns people, "grace". You prove your ignorance and irreverence with every comment.
I don't condemn anyone to death. Don't blame me for your choice. You condemn yourself for refusing God's love, so you are "condemned already" (John 3.18). You seek your own man-centered power to assume you were regenerated without any prior repentance and faith. That is not genuine salvation. "Repent ye therefore, and be converted, that your sins may be blotted out" (Acts 3.19). Alas, you are unwilling. Don't bear false witness. Knowledge alone doesn't condemn, but refusal to receive the truth.
@Parture You are absolutely right. If you are not saved the biblical way then you are not saved. Calvinism has the order of salvation backwards. It makes no sense to be regenerated and then given faith after the fact when your being saved depends on you repenting and having faith in the first place.
The Bible states clearly that without faith it is impossible to please God. You need to have the faith. If God gave you the faith then he would be pleasing himself.
God's grace is sufficient for all, not just non-reprobate. "Who will have all men to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth" (1 Tim. 2.4). That would be quite strange if God wanted everyone to be saved but didn't provide sufficient grace to all human beings, all made in His image, to have the opportunity to be saved. I am glad God is not doubleminded and duplicitous. The gnostic god is a doubletalker, an evil god who would say one thing but mean another. Calvinism is gnostic.
@herald1509 Repentance and faith are not works but a condition of your heart. There is a Bible verse that distinguishes this difference quite clearly. Salvation is a free gift given by grace that needs to be accepted by faith.
Romans 4:4,5 NIV
4Now when a man works, his wages are not credited to him as a gift, but as an obligation. 5However, to the man who does not work but trusts God who justifies the wicked, his faith is credited as righteousness.
@StandForTheFaith Yes, that verse does distinguish between faith and works. The problem is, some people see "coming to faith" as a work of the self, instead of a work of the Holy Spirit. We believe things, based on experience. We need to experience God to truly believe. If we accept (believe) the gospel, we will be saved. You don't have to accept salvation on top of that. Accepting the gospel is enough.
@herald1509 The Gospel is presented to you and it is the Holy Spirit that convicts. It is very clear in scriptures that you need to repent and then have faith in Christ to be saved. Without faith it is impossible to please God. God does not give you the faith and force you to believe to please himself. The faith needs to come from you. It has always been by faith from first to last as the scriptures state.
@herald1509 Repentance is based on humility and being convicted by the Holy Spirit. Having faith is a condition to being saved. Salvation is offered as a free gift by God's grace that needs to be accepted by having faith in Christ. The faith needs to come from you since you are responsible for either accepting or denying Christ.
Romans 4:9 NIV
We have been saying that Abraham's faith was credited to him as righteousness.
@StandForTheFaith Is believing that faith is a gift from God contrary to Scripture or just your opinion? Just because something is credited to someone, doesn't make that someone the source. If you pay tuition to a university, that's credited to you, but that doesn't mean that the money came from anywhere in particular. It could have come from you, or it could come from a loan, or a grant.
@StandForTheFaith The issue isn't whether the faith is yours, the issue is from whom your faith has come. In Christ, God does for us, what we could never do for ourselves. This includes giving us faith and repentance. As in Acts 11:18 "So then, God has granted even the Gentiles repentance unto life" and 2 Timothy 2:25 "Those who oppose him he must gently instruct, in the hope that God will grant them repentance leading them to a knowledge of the truth".
@herald1509 Yes, that is the issue. Without faith it is impossible to please God. You are the one pleasing God with your faith. He is not pleasing himself.
If you are looking for a way out of your personal responsibility and accountability through Calvinism then you are out of luck.
@Stand If you think Calvinism provides a way out of personal responsibility, then you don't understand Calvinism. What's worse, though, is that you don't seem to be understanding Scripture. You're bringing in your own assumptions. That's why you can say God isn't pleasing himself, but you don't provide Scripture to back it up. God says, "I make known the end from the beginning, from ancient times, what is still to come. I say: My purpose will stand, and I will do all that I please" Isaiah 46:10.
@herald1509 I believe I already gave you a verse but just in case here it is again.
Hebrews 11:6,7 NIV
6And without faith it is impossible to please God, because anyone who comes to him must believe that he exists and that he rewards those who earnestly seek him. 7By faith Noah, when warned about things not yet seen, in holy fear built an ark to save his family. By his faith he condemned the world and became heir of the righteousness that comes by faith.
@herald1509 Having faith is believing and putting your trust in something. That has to come from you.
And yes, I do believe that Calvinism forfeits any personal responsibility or accountability. It claims that God forces you to believe and have faith and that you are regenerated before you are saved. It is a false gospel and nothing more than a spiritual cop out.
@StandForTheFaith What exactly did Calvin say that you disagree with? I'd like to know. I'd also like to know how it's contrary to Hebrews 11 or any other part of Scripture.
@StandForTheFaith How about for starters you substantiate one of your claims. For example, a quote of Calvin about how people aren't responsible for their actions, or better yet, a passage from Scripture that says that faith doesn't come from God. Really, wouldn't that just settle everything?
@StandForTheFaith I'm afraid of wasting time on pointless tangents. Either faith is a gift from God, or it isn't. And the Bible either speaks about this issue, or it doesn't. If the Bible is silent, then we're just expressing our own opinions, right? So show me the Bible. If you were to prove that Calvin was a heretic, that wouldn't have any bearing on our discussion. Unless you're trying to construct an illogical argument, like the I laid out below.
@herald1509 Other than that the topic about Christ suffering in Hell is not a waste of time but very important. You still need to address that issue if you choose to follow the twisted theology of Calvin.
If GOD CHOSE that Adam and Eve would fall (despite telling them NOT to eat the Apple) then how can humanity be judged on God's choice? Calvin burns people at the stake if they disagree? Serve me with french fries!
MrsWLeach 5 months ago
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Dave Hunt needs, in the interests of accuracy, and fairness to Calvin, to clarify that remark about Calvin being "on the pay-roll" of the CC for several years after he separated from it. This implies that Calvin was playing a double game, & being a hypocrite
Calvin does not deserve to be accused, unless accusations against him can be proved - so what is the proof ?
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5355vbxjbj76rvn 1 year ago
Calvin was outstanding in many ways: as an organiser, a theologian, an interpreter of the Bible, to name only three. One needn't be a Calvinist to recognise that, or even a Protestant. But for him, it is at least possible that the Reformation would have fizzled out. Someone of no character or intelligence could not have had the immense effect he has had, & IMHO he deserves far better than to be attacked by modern Protestants - but for him, they might not even be Christians.
5355vbxjbj76rvn 1 year ago
@5355vbxjbj76rvn Jesus Christ is worthy to be worshipped and served. John calvin was a mere man.He was also a tyrant
tgillspy 1 year ago
@tgillspy
Yes, he was a mere man - but, at least in some ways, Protestantism owes him a very great debt. When Protestant historians say this, ISTM pretty safe to agree with them. One can respect what he achieved, while regretting aspects of what he stood for. One need not even say his influence on Protestantism was entirely benign; but some at least of his personal qualities do deserve respect.
The tyranny is a subject in itself. There's a lot to be said in his favour, as well as against.
5355vbxjbj76rvn 1 year ago
@5355vbxjbj76rvn
Fail........John Calvin=murderer, hopelessly confused theologian, oppressor, power hungry bigot.
willpower242 2 months ago
The Bible says faith is a gift. Calvin says faith is a gift. StandForTheFaith says faith is not a gift.
Calvin: 1
StandForTheFaith: 0
herald1509 1 year ago
@herald1509 , mmm , i think you'll be in trouble when StandForTheNIV sees your comment, that will be worth @ least 3 or4 comments. The general rule is about 5 to 1. That is if anyone makes one comment, StandForTheNIV comes up 5 to counter.
Would be refreshing if there was a fraction of substance to any of her comments.
I think thats why she relies so heavily on the old cut & paste. Oh well we live in hope that substance & originality might be forth coming one day. All things are possible.
zacqt 1 year ago
@zacqt So what do you want me to do with all of these personal attacks of yours? You have no substance. I rely on the scriptures for truth and not the twisted theology of man. You speak of fruit yet you show none. Is mocking, attacking the NIV Bible and slander a fruit of the spirit?
StandForTheFaith 1 year ago
@zacqt You hate the NIV Bible so you hate the scriptures. What kind of believer hates and mocks the Word of God? I'm telling you that if your purpose is to personally attack me and degrade me then you are doing the Devil's work and you need to find something better to do with your time.
Funny how one minute you are crying and want me to be your friend and then the next minute you are personally attacking me and mocking me. What you are doing is wrong and you need to stop.
StandForTheFaith 1 year ago
@zacqt Just to let you know that I unblocked you yesterday hoping that you would tell me exactly what you want and what you are up to but you never sent me a message. Since you are continuing your personal attacks on me I am putting you back on block and it would be really nice if I never heard from you again. I really have better things to do and I don't have time for your mind games anymore. Thanks.
StandForTheFaith 1 year ago
@zacqt I belong to Christ and look forward to eternity. In the end your hate and attacks mean nothing. I will continue to contend for the faith using the scriptures to defend the faith. Even the scriptures in the NIV Bible.
Matthew 5:11,12 NIV
11"Blessed are you when people insult you, persecute you and falsely say all kinds of evil against you because of me. 12Rejoice and be glad, because great is your reward in heaven, for in the same way they persecuted the prophets who were before you.
StandForTheFaith 1 year ago
@herald1509 You have a Calvinistic view of salvation and faith but not a biblical view.
StandForTheFaith 1 year ago
@StandForTheFaith I'll believe there's a difference between the two when you provide scripture to back it up. Still waiting for a verse that says that faith is not a gift. Until you find it, please don't message me.
herald1509 1 year ago
@herald1509 What seems to be your stumbling block? The faith has to come from you. You can accept or reject Christ. Do you think that God wants you to reject Christ, his very own Son? Think about that. Here are some verses clearly stating that you can refuse to believe which implies choice.
Acts 19:9 NIV
But some of them became obstinate; they refused to believe and publicly maligned the Way.
Acts 14:2 NIV
But the Jews who refused to believe stirred up the Gentiles ....
StandForTheFaith 1 year ago
@herald1509
Acts 28:24 NIV
Some were convinced by what he said, but others would not believe.
Philippians 2:10,11 NIV
10that at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, in heaven and on earth and under the earth, 11and every tongue confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.
Now, are you going to tell me that God doesn't want all unbeliever's to come to Christ? Does it give God glory when people reject Christ?
StandForTheFaith 1 year ago
@herald1509
Romans 4:5 NIV
5However, to the man who does not work but trusts God who justifies the wicked, his faith is credited as righteousness.
It is the man that is trusting in God and it is referred to as his faith.
Romans 4 NIV
Abraham in hope believed
19Without weakening in his faith,
20Yet he did not waver through unbelief regarding the promise of God, but was strengthened in his faith
Another clear example of faith.
StandForTheFaith 1 year ago
StandForTheFaith doesn't stand for the Christian faith, but for the merits of faith itself.
herald1509 1 year ago
@herald1509 @herald1509 That is a lie. If you are going to publicly lie about me then at least respond to me so I get notified of the post. Here is a verse stating what God thinks about faith.
Hebrews 11:6 NIV
6And without faith it is impossible to please God, because anyone who comes to him must believe that he exists and that he rewards those who earnestly seek him.
Romans 3:22 NIV
22This righteousness from God comes through faith in Jesus Christ to all who believe.
StandForTheFaith 1 year ago
@herald1509
Galatians 2:16 NIV
16know that a man is not justified by observing the law, but by faith in Jesus Christ. So we, too, have put our faith in Christ Jesus that we may be justified by faith in Christ and not by observing the law, because by observing the law no one will be justified.
StandForTheFaith 1 year ago
@StandForTheFaith ..Romans 3:31 Do we then make void the law through faith? God forbid: yea, we establish the law.
You don't know the Law of faith Linda, real faith producers beneficial spiritual fruit. You just cause division, stir trouble, cut & paste NIV & have limited understanding even of that. You call Christians heretics & yet demonstrate zero discretion in discernment. To live up to your title, just for a change, be slow to speak & fast to listen. James ch 3 is good value, please read.
zacqt 1 year ago
@zacqt You are in no position to correct me on anything. You are what I consider to be a self-righteous hypocrite. The reason you refer to me by my personal name is? If anyone is a trouble maker it is you. You cannot be trusted. You are what the Bible refers to as a false brother. Where is your spiritual fruit? I haven't seen any.
It wasn't too long ago that you stated you were crying and I showed mercy to you. Now you lie and slander me. You need to repent.
StandForTheFaith 1 year ago
@zacqt You do not understand the relationship between faith and works. If you are implying that I am saying that you just have faith and then live like the Devil then you are wrong. Your eyes need to be on Jesus and not on yourself and your works. You cannot work for your salvation because then it wouldn't be a gift but an obligation. Genuine faith produces fruit. James talks about saving faith and dead faith. Maybe you need to read that to understand more clearly.
StandForTheFaith 1 year ago
@zacqt I would suggest that you keep yourself busy and look at yourself. I have no use for your lies and belittling comments. Go find someone else to harass.
Maybe you should be slow to judge and fast to understand. I would suggest you read the verses that address the Pharisees and their hypocrisy. It is good value, please read.
StandForTheFaith 1 year ago
@zacqt What is your title? The accuser of the brethren? You live up to that title perfectly. You are a phony and a pretender just like your little friend. Now, be gone!
StandForTheFaith 1 year ago
@zacqt I just expose false doctrines and heresies and that is what really bothers you. Is lying a form of spiritual fruit? Is being untrustworthy a form of spiritual fruit? Is supporting heresies a form of spiritual fruit? Is being a hypocrite a form of spiritual fruit? I could go on and on but there is no need.
Your problem is that you don't look at yourself and that you want to control others. I really have no need to talk to you since I know what you are all about. Just go away!
StandForTheFaith 1 year ago
@zacqt You say I have limited understanding? Really? I study the Bible and have for many years. You stated once that you do not just have to believe to be saved. You go against what Jesus said and what Paul taught. You are a Galatian proclaiming another gospel which is really no gospel at all. Even a child can understand the gospel so don't tell me your lies.
Acts 16:31 NIV
They replied, "Believe in the Lord Jesus, and you will be saved—you and your household."
StandForTheFaith 1 year ago
@StandForTheFaith Mathew 7:20 Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them.
7:21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.
7:22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not
prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and
in thy name done many wonderful works?
7:23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from
me, ye that work iniquity.
zacqt 1 year ago
@zacqt I agree, by their fruits you will know them. Please apply the scripture you quoted to yourself. Thank you!
StandForTheFaith 1 year ago
@zacqt Maybe instead of harassing me all the time you should unblock me and then tell me what you want and then be done with it. I don't like people that do the back stabbing routine. If you are trying to force me to believe in Calvinistic theology then you are wasting your time. If you are trying to discourage me then you are wasting your time. If you are trying to make me only read the KJV exclusively then you are wasting your time. Basically, you are wasting your time.
StandForTheFaith 1 year ago
@StandForTheFaith ,So those in Mathew 7v21&22 did they "believe" in Jesus or think they believed?. Did Judas believe in Jesus,? does Satan still believe & know who Christ is.? Paul thought he knew God & the Bible also & went around killing Christians(.Act9v5). It is the Gift of God,-Truth & Grace. Head knowledge & heart knowledge are 2 different things. Mathew13 v3~43 read this & you will see that, zero spiritual generation = zero salvation. It is God that gives the increase.
Check James 4v6~10
zacqt 1 year ago
@zacqt That verse is talking about false prophets but you could apply it to yourself also.
Matthew 7:15 NIV
15"Watch out for false prophets. They come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ferocious wolves.
I think the scripture speaks for itself. It says they are false. Very similar to the Pharisees that had an appearance of righteousness on the outside but their hearts were very far away from God.
Judas was false. Satan never believed in Christ. Paul didn't know Christ.
StandForTheFaith 1 year ago
@StandForTheFaith "Satan never believed in Christ."???Check Mathew 4v1~10.
Acts 19:15 And the evil spirit answered and said, ***Jesus I know***, and Paul I
know; but who are ye?
Also read James 2:19 Thou believest that there is one God; thou doest well: the devils also believe, and tremble.
2:20 But wilt thou know, O vain man, that faith without works is dead?
So Mathew 7v15 RE: false prophets, how do you know if their false?answer= by their fruits, not just what they say or claim to believe.
zacqt 1 year ago
@zacqt Knowing who someone is and believing in them are two different things. Satan does not believe in Christ. Satan does not have faith in Christ.
I already know that faith without works is dead but you are still saved by faith alone. If it is by works then salvation is no longer a gift but an obligation.
Remember it is Satan who is the accuser of the brethren. Your accusations and insinuations definitely don't come from God.
StandForTheFaith 1 year ago
@zacqt I don't know where you got your twisted theology from but maybe you should just start at the very beginning and humble yourself before God in repentance and believe and have faith in Christ to save you. Ask Christ to save you from your sins and to have mercy upon you. Ask God to fill you with the Holy Spirit. Then you will be saved and sealed with the Holy Spirit. Then you will know what it really means to be regenerated and then you will produce fruit.
Then study the Bible again.
StandForTheFaith 1 year ago
@zacqt Why did you ignore the verse regarding fearing God? Also, consider this. People are judged for either accepting or rejecting Christ. Do you think that God would make people or want them to reject his very own Son whom he sent as an atonement for man's sins? I would hope you don't think that! But if you really think that God wants people to reject Christ then why will all those who do so be judged for this?
StandForTheFaith 1 year ago
@zacqt
John 12:48 NIV
48There is a judge for the one who rejects me and does not accept my words;
Luke 10:16 NIV
16"He who listens to you listens to me; he who rejects you rejects me; but he who rejects me rejects him who sent me."
Acts 13:39 NIV
39Through him everyone who believes is justified from everything you could not be justified from by the law of Moses.
StandForTheFaith 1 year ago
@zacqt
Romans 10:9-11 NIV 9That if you confess with your mouth, "Jesus is Lord," and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved. 10For it is with your heart that you believe and are justified, and it is with your mouth that you confess and are saved. 11As the Scripture says, "Anyone who trusts in him will never be put to shame."[a]
StandForTheFaith 1 year ago
@zacqt If you want to quote verses out of context and twist them and mock my faith in Christ I have no time for you. Conversations are two way exchanges. You need to answer questions and not just fling accusations. If you continue wasting my time I will just ignore you in the future because nothing is accomplished.
StandForTheFaith 1 year ago
@zacqt Faith comes from you. You are personally responsible for either accepting or rejecting Christ. God holds you accountable. You worship God with your heart and mind and your soul. Your total being.
You are misapplying the scriptures. You need to repent and believe and have faith in Christ first before you receive the Holy Spirit and are regenerated or born again. If you have the Holy Spirit inside of you then you belong to Christ.
StandForTheFaith 1 year ago
@zacqt The covenant is revealed to those who are God-fearing.
Psalm 25:14 NIV
14 The LORD confides in those who fear him; he makes his covenant known to them.
Why don't you study about the God-fearing Greeks and the Centurion in the NT?
StandForTheFaith 1 year ago
@zacqt You are saved through faith. Faith precedes salvation. Are you saying that those who are saved the biblical way are not really saved but only think that they are saved? Are you trying to get people that have genuine faith in Christ to doubt their salvation? I hope that is not your intent.
Galatians 3:14 NIV
He redeemed us in order that the blessing given to Abraham might come to the Gentiles through Christ Jesus, so that by faith we might receive the promise of the Spirit.
StandForTheFaith 1 year ago
@zacqt
John 11:25 NIV
Jesus said to her, "I am the resurrection and the life. He who believes in me will live, even though he dies;
1 Timothy 1:16 NIV
Christ Jesus might display his unlimited patience as an example for those who would believe on him and receive eternal life.
Romans 10:10 NIV
For it is with your heart that you believe and are justified, and it is with your mouth that you confess and are saved.
StandForTheFaith 1 year ago
@StandForTheFaith Here's a thought. Why don't you post the scripture that says that faith is not a gift from God? Why beat around the bush? You condemn as a heretic anyone who believes that faith is a gift, so if you've got any proof then show it already. The fact that you can't might be a hint that it's time you gave up your mission to condemn people who differ from your human opinion. For all you know, by condemning a view without biblical support, you could be condemning God as well.
herald1509 1 year ago
@herald1509 Abraham's faith came from? There are numerous verses that state your faith, his faith, etc. Without faith it is impossible to please God. God isn't pleasing himself with his own faith. You are pleasing him with your faith.
StandForTheFaith 1 year ago
@Stand God pleases himself by giving someone faith. The faith is theirs, but that doesn't mean it comes from them. Think about it. Do you have money? Yes? Does that make you the national mint? Just because you have something, doesn't make you the source. Your problem is that your view lacks Scripture, so you rely on your reason, which isn't very good. Until you can come up with a verse that says that faith is not a gift from God, I have nothing more to say to you except "1 Corinthians 12:8-9".
herald1509 1 year ago
@herald1509 You are trying to twist a very clear scripture to support your false Calvinistic theology. People put their faith in Christ. Faith means more than just believing it means to put your trust in God. That comes from you.
Consider this. God wants all men to be saved and commands everyone to repent. So according to your theology God should give everyone faith. My question to you is why doesn't he? Remember your answer cannot contradict what God says in the following verses:
StandForTheFaith 1 year ago
@herald1509
1 Timothy 2:3,4 NIV
3This is good, and pleases God our Savior, 4who wants all men to be saved and to come to a knowledge of the truth.
Acts 17:30 NIV
30In the past God overlooked such ignorance, but now he commands all people everywhere to repent.
Ezekiel 18:32 NIV
32 For I take no pleasure in the death of anyone, declares the Sovereign LORD. Repent and live!
StandForTheFaith 1 year ago
I have never read Calvin nor St. Augustine and their beliefs. I depend on the Lord to teach me of His ways, which are far higher than ours.
Anyone who does not believe God's word concerning salvation and how one is saved; not by works, but through the Faith of Jesus Christ our Lord, is really not saved at all, it's devastating to think that so many think they be saved by their own so-called Free Will. It hurts their pride to think there is nothing in them that desires God. Absolute depravity.
ez2seeu2 1 year ago
@ez2seeu2 Ever read Shakespeare? Methinks the lady doth protest too much?
Your theology did not come from the Bible but from the man Calvin who was inspired by Augustine. You hold to a Calvinistic theology which insults the nature of God and nullifies the Gospel of Christ.
It is through faith in Christ that you are saved. You are promoting a false gospel and want to avoid any personal accountability. God always has conditions and the condition to being saved is faith in Christ.
StandForTheFaith 1 year ago
@StandForTheFaith I do not lie, what I was taught has been through the inspiration of the Holy Spirit my Teacher. John14:27 "But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you." I've NEVER read anything by Calvin, or Augustine, so do not even bring up their names, it will do you no good. My Faith come from the Lord, the faith of Jesus Christ.
ez2seeu2 1 year ago
@ez2seeu2 1Jn 2:27 " But the anointing which ye have received of him abideth in you, and ye need not that any man teach you: but as the same anointing teacheth you of all things, and is truth, and is no lie, and even as it hath taught you, ye shall abide in him."
Rom 3:22 Even the righteousness of God which is by faith of Jesus Christ unto all and upon all them that believe: for there is no difference:
Rom 3:23 For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;
ez2seeu2 1 year ago
@ez2seeu2 The plan of salvation is in the scriptures. Even a child can understand it. The faith needs to come from you. If you believe the Calvinistic doctrines, that did not come from the Holy Spirit since the Holy Spirit is the spirit of truth. God wants all men to be saved. It's in the Bible. How did you miss this verse?
1 Timothy 2:3,4 NIV
3This is good, and pleases God our Savior, 4who wants all men to be saved and to come to a knowledge of the truth.
StandForTheFaith 1 year ago
@ez2seeu2 I believe I just quoted a verse to someone else regarding having your faith tested. If the faith comes from God as you claim then it wouldn't need to be tested. Why would God need to test his own faith? The faith comes from you. You are the one who needs to believe and have faith in Christ to be saved. That is what the Bible teaches.
StandForTheFaith 1 year ago
@StandForTheFaith For it is Jesus Christ himself that is the author and finisher of my Faith, He chose me, I did not chose Him. He gave me the gift to believe, by granting me the faith to believe in Him.
For you have not the Spirit of the Living God, nor do you know Him.
Flesh is enmity against God, and desires "nothing" of His Truth, His Way according to His Word.
There is nothing good in man period that desires God, His Word proclaims it, I stand on God's word not yours.
ez2seeu2 1 year ago
@ez2seeu2 You don't know what you are talking about. I was saved when I was about 12 years old. Who are you to tell me that I don't have the Holy Spirit living inside of me and that I don't know Christ, The Father and the Holy Spirit? You are deluded and are an enemy of the Gospel of Christ. You don't care about all the lost people you are just self-absorbed and as long as you think God chose you who cares about the rest. That kind of attitude doesn't come from God but from you.
StandForTheFaith 1 year ago
@StandForTheFaith You surely are a very presumptuous & fouled mouthed so-called Christian woman, other men have seen your fruit, and it's not of God, it's filled with a feminist women spirit , it's called "Jezebel spirit". I have had other people tell me about your fouled language it was so embarrasing they could not read your complete message, so they have 'blocked' you from their channel's and video.
ez2seeu2 1 year ago
@ez2seeu2 What does this have to do with the scripture verses I quoted? You obviously want to attack me and get personal so as you wish. Other men have seen my fruit? What do you mean by that? I am here to expose heresies and contend for the faith. I am more than positive that the Devil sent one of your little friends over to me to try to make me fall. But God is faithful and sustained me through that temptation that I have never experienced before and will not put up with again.
StandForTheFaith 1 year ago
@ez2seeu2 Feminist woman spirit? Don't make me laugh. I am very traditional and not a feminist. You are a liar. Did you get that lie from your little friend? You've had other people tell you about foul language that was so embarrasing they could not read my complete message? You have got to be kidding? If you are referring to who I think you are I already told that person previously that I sometimes still swear but am working on it. I am not completely perfect and do not pretend.
StandForTheFaith 1 year ago
@ez2seeu2 Nothing worse than a lying hypocrite in my opinion. In fact the terrible language I used in that correspondence was that I stated I was pissed off at the person and I think I used the word crap. I often hear worse language in the grocery store so I think the accusations were a bit exaggerated to say the least. Of course you must think you are perfect.
Does it make you feel better about yourself to try to destroy me?
StandForTheFaith 1 year ago
@ez2seeu2 You are a scumbag and a liar. I am not a feminist nor do I go house to house gossiping. I debate on here regarding theological issues. It is you and your scumbag little friend that gossips. You are worse than a woman regarding your loose lips. You have very poor judgment. Go ahead and lie all you like. God knows the truth and so do I.
Let your little machinist friend lie all he wants to try to assuage his guilt. Quite typical I might add. I am sick of his mind games.
StandForTheFaith 1 year ago
@ez2seeu2
Just to set the record straight. Your little machinist friend continuously back stabs me and I am the one who blocked him first after the last back stabbing incident. As for the offended one? I actually thought he was a decent person and am quite disappointed about that one. I even helped him by debating on one of his videos. He blocked me because of those two words I used. For his sake I hope he is absolutely perfect because I am not.
StandForTheFaith 1 year ago
@ez2seeu2 As for your stupid false accusations? I am definitely not a feminist. I believe women should be keepers of the home and that is what I do. I don't have time nor do I want to go door to door and gossip. You are a liar. I don't like gossip or small talk. It is too boring for me. I can talk about theology and deeper subjects all day long but not gossiping like you claim. You have a small mind but I do not.
StandForTheFaith 1 year ago
@ez2seeu2 This is a typical day in my very immoral lifestyle. I am stating this just to show what a loser and liar you really are.
I take care of my home which includes cleaning, paying the bills, grocery shopping and of course cooking. I also take care of my two dogs and my grandbaby and husband. I have a soho and use the computer for that and of course spend time on YouTube debating theology and making videos. I hope you are not too terribly disappointed.
StandForTheFaith 1 year ago
@ez2seeu2 I did a little research on the Jezebel spirit and here is what I came up with. "The Queen of Heaven/Jezebel/Mystery Babylon/Harlot Spirit is a very religious spirit, but it promotes religious things that are contrary to God. Jezebel promotes fleshly indulgence amongst God's people and shuns the cross."
And you apply that to me? What you have done is evil by falsely accusing me. You need to repent. Lying is not a fruit of the Holy Spirit nor is hatred for a fellow believer.
StandForTheFaith 1 year ago
@StandForTheFaith I do not consider you a "fellow believer".
ez2seeu2 1 year ago
@ez2seeu2 You don't have a right to judge anyone's heart. Only God can do that. I have been saved the biblical way many years ago and I have faith in the blood of Christ for my redemption. I publicly proclaim that Jesus is Lord.
If you don't consider me a fellow believer then that is on your conscience, not mine. As far as I can see there is no love or light in you unless someone agrees with your theology.
I belong to Christ whether you accept that or not. God knows the truth and so do I.
StandForTheFaith 1 year ago
@ez2seeu2 Here is a verse for you to keep in mind.
1 John 4:19-21 NIV
19We love because he first loved us. 20If anyone says, "I love God," yet hates his brother, he is a liar. For anyone who does not love his brother, whom he has seen, cannot love God, whom he has not seen. 21And he has given us this command: Whoever loves God must also love his brother.
StandForTheFaith 1 year ago
@ez2seeu2 Seems you are very quiet now regarding your accusations. The people you seem to be gossiping with about me may have failed to mention some things. In regards to your machinist little friend I have showed compassion to him more than once even though he continually does the stab in the back routine. The last time I befriended him even when I didn't want to because he was upset or so he claimed. I even attempted to reconcile him and the other one. I sure didn't do that for myself.
StandForTheFaith 1 year ago
@ez2seeu2 How would you like it if someone took advantage of you like this over and over again? As for the offended one? I never did anything personally against him and didn't deserve to be rejected over two words. I gave him many good book references and discussed theology with him. I was and still am concerned about him buying into the Calvinistic philosophy but he is free to choose what he believes. I sent numerous messages using the scriptures to make my point.
StandForTheFaith 1 year ago
@ez2seeu2 You have publicly maligned my character and misrepresented me. That is just plain wrong and anyone with a conscience wouldn't do such things.
You speak about spiritual abuse yet you commit the same sins. Your bashing the NIV and other people's musical tastes and unmercifully judging others is spiritual abuse as far as I am concerned.
I would say that you need to take the log out of your own eye before trying to pick the speck out of your brother's eye.
StandForTheFaith 1 year ago
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ez2seeu2 1 year ago
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ez2seeu2 1 year ago
@StandForTheFaith For the record, I testify of the Lord Jesus Christ to most people I know, I have lost friends due to this, others I still have, but my life, by the grace of God is a testimony to Him, and I spread this to whom ever will listen as the Holy Spirit leads. Jesus only did that which His Father wanted of Him. So I also let the Lord lead me. But the Love of God in my heart is not in vain and not self-serving, if it was I wouldn't keep responding to you. May the Lord open your ears
ez2seeu2 1 year ago
@ez2seeu2 The only reason you are responding to me is to lie about me and try to discredit me.
Do you even know what the Gospel is?
StandForTheFaith 1 year ago
@ez2seeu2 Ever heard of the God-fearing Greeks and the Centurion? Maybe you need to study the Bible a lot more before making false assumptions and accusations.
It is Satan that is the accuser of the brethren and your accusations don't come from God or the Holy Spirit.
I belong to Christ and he purchased me with his blood that was shed on the cross. I belong to Christ and there is nothing you can do about it. Jesus is Lord!
StandForTheFaith 1 year ago
@ez2seeu2
John 6:35 NIV
35Then Jesus declared, "I am the bread of life. He who comes to me will never go hungry, and he who believes in me will never be thirsty.
John 7:37,38 NIV
37On the last and greatest day of the Feast, Jesus stood and said in a loud voice, "If anyone is thirsty, let him come to me and drink. 38Whoever believes in me, as[a] the Scripture has said, streams of living water will flow from within him."
StandForTheFaith 1 year ago
@ez2seeu2
John 11:25,26 NIV
25Jesus said to her, "I am the resurrection and the life. He who believes in me will live, even though he dies; 26and whoever lives and believes in me will never die. Do you believe this?"
You are the one who needs to believe.
You are a deceiver and no one should take you seriously. You claim to know the truth yet what you say goes against the scriptures.
StandForTheFaith 1 year ago
@StandForTheFaith My responses to you are over.
But I will continue to spread the truth of my Lord's Word as He sees it, and reveals it to me, not you or any other man will take me off the narrow path. "Let God be true and every man a liar" and by the Grace of God if He should use it to open their eyes to His truth and grant someone the gift of Repentance, then all the Glory goes to Him, for He and He alone is the only one worthy of ALL PRAISE, Glory and Honor. For He alone is WORTHY. AMEN!
ez2seeu2 1 year ago
@ez2seeu2 Of course after you have tried to degrade me you are done. Are you proud of yourself now? Does it make you feel better about yourself?
You spout off a lot of your own opinions and claim they come from God. However, everything is tested by the scriptures. When tested against the scriptures your theories fall short of reality.
Repentance leads to salvation. You need to have faith in Christ to be saved. That is biblical. You can deny reality all you want but it doesn't change it
StandForTheFaith 1 year ago
@ez2seeu2 Your purpose is to try to discourage me and make me feel like garbage. That does not come from God. You are the evil gossiper, not me. I will continue to expose heresies and contend for the faith whether you slander me or not.
If you really knew who I was and how I live you would hang your head in shame for making such harsh untrue judgments about me.
You are a liar and you listen to liars. Have a nice day!
StandForTheFaith 1 year ago
@ez2seeu2
Your rendition of the gospel is false. You need to repent and have faith to be saved. If you don't know that then you don't understand the Gospel of Christ. God doesn't want anyone to perish contrary to what you might choose to think.
1 Timothy 2:4 NIV
who wants all men to be saved and to come to a knowledge of the truth.
Acts 17:30 NIV
but now he commands all people everywhere to repent.
StandForTheFaith 1 year ago
@ez2seeu2 I'd like to ask you a question. What do you think Christ thinks about you lying about me? Do you think he approves? I happen to belong to Christ and he has purchased me with his blood.
You keep accusing that I am not saved and don't know God. That is a lie from the pit of Hell. Do you think Christ approves of you lying like this? I have the Holy Spirit living inside of me and you lie and say I do not? You are a very foolish man.
StandForTheFaith 1 year ago
@ez2seeu2 I really think you need to repent and apologize to me for such false accusations. You also falsely accused me of being a heretic on one of my videos and I sent you a private message telling you of the offense and asking for an apology. You declined to respond in private but then chose to publicly malign my character. Is that how a Christian should act?
The only person you are concerned about is yourself.
StandForTheFaith 1 year ago
@ez2seeu2 You will continue to spread lies about the Gospel of Christ and those that oppose your false gospel. Anyone can read the Bible for themselves to prove that you are an enemy of the Gospel. The Gospel is not passive. God does not make you repent or believe and have faith. The scriptures are more than clear that without faith it is impossible to please God. You are the one that needs to have the faith. You are the one that needs to put your total trust in Christ to save you.
StandForTheFaith 1 year ago
@ez2seeu2 The scriptures are the test of all doctrines and not your made up revelations from God. You have all the markings of a cult leader. Repent!
StandForTheFaith 1 year ago
@ez2seeu2 Now that you are finished with your petty insults back to the truth of the scriptures. You claim repentance is a gift. Wrong! Repentance is a condition of your heart. Here is a verse where God commands everyone to repent. God is telling you to repent. God is not giving the gift of repentance to some and not to others.
Acts 17:30 NIV
30In the past God overlooked such ignorance, but now he commands all people everywhere to repent.
God commands you to repent, so repent!
StandForTheFaith 1 year ago
@ez2seeu2 Also, here is a verse stating that even the Gentiles were granted repentance. So based on this alone and your understanding all Gentiles should be saved but in actuality they are not. What this means is that all Gentiles are given the opportunity to repent. They are the ones who choose to repent or not to repent.
Acts 11:18 NIV
18When they heard this, they had no further objections and praised God, saying, "So then, God has granted even the Gentiles repentance unto life."
StandForTheFaith 1 year ago
@ez2seeu2
Acts 10:2 NIV
2He and all his family were devout and God-fearing; he gave generously to those in need and prayed to God regularly.
This is speaking about a Centurion who was not saved but later presented with the Gospel message and saved.
Acts 13:26 NIV
26"Brothers, children of Abraham, and you God-fearing Gentiles, it is to us that this message of salvation has been sent.
StandForTheFaith 1 year ago
@ez2seeu2
Acts 17:17 NIV
17So he reasoned in the synagogue with the Jews and the God-fearing Greeks, as well as in the marketplace day by day with those who happened to be there.
Contrary to what you have said previously reasoning is biblical.
Acts 17:27 NIV
27God did this so that men would seek him and perhaps reach out for him and find him, though he is not far from each one of us.
This goes contrary to your belief that you can't seek God.
StandForTheFaith 1 year ago
@ez2seeu2
Hebrews 11:6 NIV
6And without faith it is impossible to please God, because anyone who comes to him must believe that he exists and that he rewards those who earnestly seek him.
Romans 4:3 NIV
3What does the Scripture say? "Abraham believed God, and it was credited to him as righteousness."
It was Abraham who believed and had faith. It came from Abraham and was credited to him as righteousness. The righteousness that comes by faith.
StandForTheFaith 1 year ago
@ez2seeu2
Romans 4:4,5 NIV
4Now when a man works, his wages are not credited to him as a gift, but as an obligation. 5However, to the man who does not work but trusts God who justifies the wicked, his faith is credited as righteousness.
Here it clearly states that it is the man that trusts in God. And the faith is referred to as his faith meaning the man's faith. The man needs to put his faith in Christ.
StandForTheFaith 1 year ago
@ez2seeu2
Ephesians 2:8,9 NIV
8For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith—and this not from yourselves, it is the gift of God— 9not by works, so that no one can boast.
Here it states you are saved by grace which is a gift from God. Salvation is a gift. But, you receive this gift through faith. Your believing and faith comes before you are saved since you are saved through faith. Faith is the condition through which you are saved. You are not regenerated first.
StandForTheFaith 1 year ago
@ez2seeu2
Ephesians 1:13,14 NIV
13And you also were included in Christ when you heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation. Having believed, you were marked in him with a seal, the promised Holy Spirit, 14who is a deposit guaranteeing our inheritance until the redemption of those who are God's possession—to the praise of his glory.
Here it describes how you are included in Christ. First the Gospel message, then you believe and have faith, then you are sealed with the Holy Spirit.
StandForTheFaith 1 year ago
I have always admired Mr. Hunt, and TA McMahon, but since I've been studying the Bible with the Holy Spirit as my teacher, I have come to know that the 'reasoning' mind, which is the will of the flesh, does not save you. All inspiration leading to salvation comes from our heavenly Father. Even the Faith to believe comes from God the Father, Jesus chooses His followers, no one chooses God, to think so is the spirit of Pride that man is capable of choosing God, choosing good over evil.
ez2seeu2 1 year ago
@ez2seeu2 That is right. Your reasoning mind doesn't save you. Having faith in Christ does. To have faith means more than just believing in Christ it means putting your total trust in him to save you. This faith comes from you.
Pride has nothing to do with it. Everyone that seeks God needs to do so with a humble heart.
There is no such thing as a passive gospel.
StandForTheFaith 1 year ago
@ez2seeu2 People full of pride don't seek God since they don't fear God nor do they think they need God for anything. Their god is themselves. If a man seeks God and repents I can guarantee you that it is not from a spirit of pride but of humility.
The faith comes from you. If God gives you the faith then all men would have faith and be saved since God wants all men saved. You are implying that God gives faith to some and not to others. You are implying that God wants some to reject Christ.
StandForTheFaith 1 year ago
Calvin, 'there are others who assail me as a master in cruelty and atrocity, for attacking with my pen not only a dead man, but one who perished by my hands.' So it is not ok to attack Calvin with the pen, but it is ok to kill Calvin? Calvin was incensed: 'We must stamp out this burst of hell-fire before it spreads over the surface of the earth. Freedom of conscience is a doctrine of the devil. Better to have a tyrant, however cruel, than permit everyone do what he pleases' Thank God for Hitler!
Parture 2 years ago
John Calvin was a murderer. In Defence of the Orthodox Faith in the Sacred Trinity, Calvin said, ...do not fail to rid the country of those scoundrels, who stir up the people to revolt against us. Such monsters should be exterminated, as I have exterminated Michael Servetus the Spaniard. And Calvin said, Whoever shall now contend that it is unjust to put heretics and blasphemers to death will knowingly and willingly incur their very guilt. So unless I murder Calvinists I will be guilty?
Parture 2 years ago
It is not that you lack knowledge herald, but you don't abiding in the knowledge that you do have; you don't listen to your own conscience to realize that you re not a child of God, for you continue to refuse to repent and believe in Christ to be regnerated. You want to be saved selfishly by just assuming you are regenerated without prior repentance and faith. God wants a real relationship, not forcing Himself on people, and certainly not being an evil tyrant passing over people with no grace.
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I know most Calvinsts are not born-again because they refuse to repent and believe in Christ TO BE regenerated. And I see them working for their salvation like you guys said because Calvinists don't really know if they were saved or not since it was never their choice. What's really scary is they say the reason why some people go to Hell is because God didn't irresistibly select to be saved like He did for the allegedly elect of Calvinism. Imagine from birth made for Hell! What love is this?
Parture 2 years ago
"Greater love has no one than this, that he lay down his life for his friends." Jesus
herald1509 2 years ago
God made everyone in His image.
Parture 2 years ago
But He doesn't treat everyone the same. God said, "I will have mercy on whom I will have mercy, and I will have compassion on whom I will have compassion". The mercy of God, upon which we all depend, is free and unconditional.
herald1509 2 years ago
Are you punking me? He doesn't have to treat us all exactly the same, but He does provide sufficient grace for us all otherwise He would be unrighteous; as the Bible says none of us are "without excuse" (Rom 1.20). God's grace is unconditionally sufficient but election is conditional.
Parture 2 years ago
We are "without excuse", because we can't claim ignorance, "For since the creation of the world God's invisible qualities—his eternal power and divine nature—have been clearly seen, being understood from what has been made, so that men are without excuse". Dude, you're slaughtering Scripture.
herald1509 2 years ago
You can't claim ignorance because everyone has received sufficient grace whether through common grace as in Romans 1.20 or special grace of the gospel. You've slaughtered this verse. There is no such thing as Total depravity, for God provided sufficient grace for all; ergo, not even you are Totally depraved.
Parture 2 years ago
Where is grace mentioned in that verse?
herald1509 2 years ago
Are you Telling me the Trinity is not true because in a verse talking about the 3 Persons of the Godhead, the word Trinity is not used? It's wrong to hold a doublestandard. So if God making himself known to us all is not grace, then what is it? Disgrace?
Parture 2 years ago
I'm just asking how you got "grace" out of that verse. It talks about people being given enough knowledge to be held responsible. Is being held responsible your definition of grace?
herald1509 2 years ago
You don't like being held responsible? Typical for a Calvinist. If God hadn't given us this knowledge to receive Him, none of us would be saved. I'd say that's grace, not disgrace. You're trying disgrace God. I often feel Calvinists are mocking God.
Parture 2 years ago
Being held responsible, is justice, which is good, but is certainly not grace. 'Justice' is getting what you deserve, whereas 'grace' is getting something good that you don't deserve. The Bible teaches that people are saved by grace, not justice. Having the knowledge of good and evil did not come as a gift from God. And the moral responsibility that comes from this knowledge isn't grace either. Grace saves us from being judged for our sins.
herald1509 2 years ago
Of course salvation is by grace, that is not the issue before us. The issue is whether the kind of grace you purport to be really grace. God pleads with us and provides sufficient grace to us all to have the choice - the responsibility. Being born into sin and sent to Hell with no grace for the opportunity to be saved is disgrace - the disgrace of Calvinism. There is no justice in that. But there is justice in sending you to Hell because you refuse God's love. Grace is sufficient, not imposed.
Parture 2 years ago
This discussion is pointless. Your comments lack sufficient knowledge of the subject and any semblance of logical coherence. On top of this your attitude is fundamentally accusatory and anti-Christian. May God, one day enlighten you and forgive you for condemning him and his truth.
herald1509 2 years ago
It's pointless because you are stuck under the possession of worshipng an evil god will morals below man's sensibities (which you make in your image), and you are committed to that come hell or highwater. You've made your choice, now you seek to try to understand it without listening to your conscience which convicts you it is evil for God to irresistibly impose salvation and pass over billions with no grace whatsoever even though they were born that way. Is this not how Hitler treated the Jews?
Parture 2 years ago
"anyone who blasphemes the name of the LORD must be put to death" - God (Leviticus 24)
You condemn the God of the Bible because your god is a human-centred morality.
herald1509 2 years ago
What you worship is not God of the Bible so you are judged by the verse you cite. The man-centered power of your soul to assume regeneration is a selfish salvation and easy-believism. Sadly, still you are still unwilling to repent and believe in Christ to receive regeneration of your spirit. God's grace is sufficient for every last soul made in His image and may be saved whosoever is willing. But your god is not powerful enough to be able to do this, so God of the Bible trumps your god any day.
Parture 2 years ago
You're the one who emphasizes man's power to believe and regenerate himself. On top of this you've condemned God for condemning blasphemers to death. And you started all this by calling the knowledge that condemns people, "grace". You prove your ignorance and irreverence with every comment.
herald1509 2 years ago
I don't condemn anyone to death. Don't blame me for your choice. You condemn yourself for refusing God's love, so you are "condemned already" (John 3.18). You seek your own man-centered power to assume you were regenerated without any prior repentance and faith. That is not genuine salvation. "Repent ye therefore, and be converted, that your sins may be blotted out" (Acts 3.19). Alas, you are unwilling. Don't bear false witness. Knowledge alone doesn't condemn, but refusal to receive the truth.
Parture 2 years ago
@Parture You are absolutely right. If you are not saved the biblical way then you are not saved. Calvinism has the order of salvation backwards. It makes no sense to be regenerated and then given faith after the fact when your being saved depends on you repenting and having faith in the first place.
The Bible states clearly that without faith it is impossible to please God. You need to have the faith. If God gave you the faith then he would be pleasing himself.
StandForTheFaith 1 year ago
God's grace is sufficient for all, not just non-reprobate. "Who will have all men to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth" (1 Tim. 2.4). That would be quite strange if God wanted everyone to be saved but didn't provide sufficient grace to all human beings, all made in His image, to have the opportunity to be saved. I am glad God is not doubleminded and duplicitous. The gnostic god is a doubletalker, an evil god who would say one thing but mean another. Calvinism is gnostic.
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The Bible says be "not doubletongued" (1 Tim. 3.8).
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@herald1509 Repentance and faith are not works but a condition of your heart. There is a Bible verse that distinguishes this difference quite clearly. Salvation is a free gift given by grace that needs to be accepted by faith.
Romans 4:4,5 NIV
4Now when a man works, his wages are not credited to him as a gift, but as an obligation. 5However, to the man who does not work but trusts God who justifies the wicked, his faith is credited as righteousness.
StandForTheFaith 1 year ago
@StandForTheFaith Yes, that verse does distinguish between faith and works. The problem is, some people see "coming to faith" as a work of the self, instead of a work of the Holy Spirit. We believe things, based on experience. We need to experience God to truly believe. If we accept (believe) the gospel, we will be saved. You don't have to accept salvation on top of that. Accepting the gospel is enough.
herald1509 1 year ago
@herald1509 The Gospel is presented to you and it is the Holy Spirit that convicts. It is very clear in scriptures that you need to repent and then have faith in Christ to be saved. Without faith it is impossible to please God. God does not give you the faith and force you to believe to please himself. The faith needs to come from you. It has always been by faith from first to last as the scriptures state.
StandForTheFaith 1 year ago
@StandForTheFaith How can one repent without faith? And why can't faith come from God?
herald1509 1 year ago
@herald1509 Repentance is based on humility and being convicted by the Holy Spirit. Having faith is a condition to being saved. Salvation is offered as a free gift by God's grace that needs to be accepted by having faith in Christ. The faith needs to come from you since you are responsible for either accepting or denying Christ.
Romans 4:9 NIV
We have been saying that Abraham's faith was credited to him as righteousness.
Faith comes from the person.
StandForTheFaith 1 year ago
@StandForTheFaith Is believing that faith is a gift from God contrary to Scripture or just your opinion? Just because something is credited to someone, doesn't make that someone the source. If you pay tuition to a university, that's credited to you, but that doesn't mean that the money came from anywhere in particular. It could have come from you, or it could come from a loan, or a grant.
herald1509 1 year ago
@herald1509 The faith is yours. Otherwise why is it tested? If the faith was God's then why would God need to test his own faith?
Hebrews 11:17 NIV
By faith Abraham, when God tested him, offered Isaac as a sacrifice.
James 1:3 NIV
because you know that the testing of your faith develops perseverance.
Another good example of faith being tested is in the book of Job.
StandForTheFaith 1 year ago
@StandForTheFaith The issue isn't whether the faith is yours, the issue is from whom your faith has come. In Christ, God does for us, what we could never do for ourselves. This includes giving us faith and repentance. As in Acts 11:18 "So then, God has granted even the Gentiles repentance unto life" and 2 Timothy 2:25 "Those who oppose him he must gently instruct, in the hope that God will grant them repentance leading them to a knowledge of the truth".
herald1509 1 year ago
@herald1509 Yes, that is the issue. Without faith it is impossible to please God. You are the one pleasing God with your faith. He is not pleasing himself.
If you are looking for a way out of your personal responsibility and accountability through Calvinism then you are out of luck.
StandForTheFaith 1 year ago
@Stand If you think Calvinism provides a way out of personal responsibility, then you don't understand Calvinism. What's worse, though, is that you don't seem to be understanding Scripture. You're bringing in your own assumptions. That's why you can say God isn't pleasing himself, but you don't provide Scripture to back it up. God says, "I make known the end from the beginning, from ancient times, what is still to come. I say: My purpose will stand, and I will do all that I please" Isaiah 46:10.
herald1509 1 year ago
@herald1509 I believe I already gave you a verse but just in case here it is again.
Hebrews 11:6,7 NIV
6And without faith it is impossible to please God, because anyone who comes to him must believe that he exists and that he rewards those who earnestly seek him. 7By faith Noah, when warned about things not yet seen, in holy fear built an ark to save his family. By his faith he condemned the world and became heir of the righteousness that comes by faith.
StandForTheFaith 1 year ago
@herald1509 Having faith is believing and putting your trust in something. That has to come from you.
And yes, I do believe that Calvinism forfeits any personal responsibility or accountability. It claims that God forces you to believe and have faith and that you are regenerated before you are saved. It is a false gospel and nothing more than a spiritual cop out.
StandForTheFaith 1 year ago
@StandForTheFaith What exactly did Calvin say that you disagree with? I'd like to know. I'd also like to know how it's contrary to Hebrews 11 or any other part of Scripture.
herald1509 1 year ago
@herald1509 Lots. But for starters what are your thoughts on Christ suffering in Hell?
StandForTheFaith 1 year ago
@StandForTheFaith How about for starters you substantiate one of your claims. For example, a quote of Calvin about how people aren't responsible for their actions, or better yet, a passage from Scripture that says that faith doesn't come from God. Really, wouldn't that just settle everything?
herald1509 1 year ago
@herald1509 How come you don't want to answer the question? Are you scared of finding out the answer that will prove your Calvin of being a heretic?
StandForTheFaith 1 year ago
@StandForTheFaith What kind of an argument are you trying to construct?
Is it this?
Calvin believed X and Y.
X is false
Therefore, Calvin is wrong.
Therefore Y is also false.
herald1509 1 year ago
@herald1509 Why don't you just answer the question? What are you scared of? The truth perhaps?
StandForTheFaith 1 year ago
@StandForTheFaith I'm afraid of wasting time on pointless tangents. Either faith is a gift from God, or it isn't. And the Bible either speaks about this issue, or it doesn't. If the Bible is silent, then we're just expressing our own opinions, right? So show me the Bible. If you were to prove that Calvin was a heretic, that wouldn't have any bearing on our discussion. Unless you're trying to construct an illogical argument, like the I laid out below.
herald1509 1 year ago
@herald1509
Faith comes from you. Salvation is a gift not faith. If faith was a gift then you wouldn't need it to please God and it wouldn't need to be tested.
John 8:30 NIV
Even as he spoke, many put their faith in him.
Romans 3:26 NIV
he did it to demonstrate his justice at the present time, so as to be just and the one who justifies those who have faith in Jesus.
James 1:3 NIV
because you know that the testing of your faith develops perseverance.
StandForTheFaith 1 year ago
@herald1509 Other than that the topic about Christ suffering in Hell is not a waste of time but very important. You still need to address that issue if you choose to follow the twisted theology of Calvin.
StandForTheFaith 1 year ago