Swedens Finance Department has made the Visby the worlds most expensive fishing boat, because they chose to reduce the budget with 1 billion (removing anti-aircraft missiles), from 11 or smtn and approved earlier. This makes Visby unable to defend herself and her friendlie. Which is its MAIN PURPOSE. How they think that they are qualified to decide such a thing is as much a mystery as no other. I wonder why the ex-Defense minister chose to abdicate??? I hate them, my fellow countrymens. IDIOTS!
@hallopapa: I hope dutch will do so, that might give the courrage to other european countrys a well. For further information search "islamic demographs" in youtube and have a look. I think if we don't prepare they well screw us up in a few decades. Only matematic solution...get more kids. Not very popular I know, but better than fierce Civil War.
The only problem with this corvette is that it doesnt can defend it self from air threats, I do not have any ground to air missiles. But they are going to install some South African missiles now to fix this prob, hope they will due...
from usa sweden does have advanced navy good sub technology.. there military is only for defense the country is alot smaller than ours so they don't need a large military.
@loganstormo8 It s weird that a small neutral country with a defense army, is one the bigger weapon exporters in the world. Bofors, Saab, Kockums, Ericcson, Hägglunds make very advanced weapons, like warships, submarines, fighter planes, drones, tanks, surveillence systems, artillery, missiles. The Gustav and the excalibure are to wepons the US succesfully use in Iraq. Excalibur was voted best military invention of the decade.
If sweden ends up in a war with the US we can hold them off by sinking our air craft carriers. Becuse you americans cant survive without our air planes. If you still manage to fly here we just shoot you right out of the sky with the Saab jas 39 gripen.
We wouldn't stand a chance. However we do have some of the best equipment in the world. We just have to little of it.
U.S.A have 5,778 aircraft, of which 2,402 are fighters. Sweden have 198 fighters and a couple of other aircrafts for transporting, like the C-130 Hercules, Saab 2000 and Cessna Citation.
I don't understand, why United States of America should go war with Sweden. I am from Finland, and I can tell that either of us, Finland or Sweden, wouldn't stand a shit against military superpower of US even as united. How could we, if we couldn't even beat each other? Get real, man. Fuckin' awesome ship, anyway. We have FNS Hamina and you got HMS Visby. Armies of Northern Lands, unite!
here's how you win, strap a bomb to every chinese person in the world, and send them off against America. don't worry, their population will still grow despite any casualties.
@Zombibombi62 As a US commander said once.. If we had just as much as multiroll corvets then I would be proud of our navy and I would cry IF Sweden do not survive or do a grate damage to the other fleet :)
my question is, why Grey in the camouflage?? why not navy blue, which the US navy uses, it will be less visible in sight of enemy aircraft, well i guess it doesnt matter at all,
Filmen är gjord från Varvsholmen i Kalmar. Visbykorvetten åkte norrut för en militärövning. Längre fram i filmen ser du ölandsbron. Undertecknad vinkar från båten i mitten på filmen.../Peter
Yes and no. Americans desinged DD(X) before Visby even was in paper, so I could claim Visby to be copy of DD(X). However, DD(X) isn't operational yet, so Visby indeed is the first OPERATIONAL stealth ship. =)
Yeah and btw we finns are indeed bright, when we rely more on infantry and guerilla-stylish warfare. Why? Because our most likely enemy would be Russia, that canno't be beaten up by normal army from country of Finland's size. So, we do have some aerial units and heavy ground units to support our infantry, but our main priority is an flexible high-tech infantry-driven, defensive army becouse attacking faction is always in disadvantage....
Oh right! That I forgot. *facepalm* I should've remembered that one, but yeah Americas are all the way the pioneers of stealth technology no matter what.
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Sweden is a muslim country.
They are protecting terrorists instead of sending them to "Gitmo" and the new leader of the largest political party, the social democrates name are "Mona Muslim".
@CDM2979 That assumes the birth rates of immigrants will stay the same for the next 40 years. Actual data shows, however, that by the third generation, the birthrate of immigrants, even Muslim ones, to be in line with the average.
But then you won't let facts stand in the way of your preconceptions, now will you?
@Uriel9 Europe because of there immigration policies let muslim's and people from the middle east in to europe. Now White europeans are having one kid to the muslim's 8 kids you do the math. Europe will be 80% muslim's by 2050 all it take is one generation to change that.
@dasani7998 True...and that´s why its too late to change it, however we can see a increasing number of young "2.a generations" muslims whos leaving the religion in favor for the modern life and religions.
But..the Blue eyed Viking warrior from the north will disapear for sure:(
@Uriel9 the birth number is 5 to 1,5 in the favor of the muslims. If you add the enormous amount of muslims that our goverment is massimporting we will be outnumbered around year 2030-45, its a fact.
There are many muslims in our goverment atm, aswell as in many other authorities...police, military etc etc.
"Exmuslims" managed to stop a school ment to educate imams payed with swedish taxmoney, yet the political islam is spreading throut sweden.
Now, thats a ugly ship!... but its stealth, and these ships are just ugly. xD BUT... take a look on this baby "watch?v=Lqfvr6-s3Yc"... @ 02:01 you will se 3 stealth ships. these are the Royal Danish Navy's new stealth-ships, and they are pretty smart... enjoy:)
lol, just like the Dutch diesel electric submarines during a same sort of excersice. Before the excersise the american sailors where all like we are gonna find that thing in a few minutes its not even nuclear powerd, in the end it was sitting underneath the aircraft carrier all the time
@ clsteele what does it even matter what would happen if the US would attack Sweden first of all the rest of the EU would attack the US so no way the americans r gonna be that stupid, 2nd why the hell would they
I am going in Lumpen in juli and joining the Worlds best storm troopers its Called Town shooter in Sweden. In 2005 it was a world training in Sweden 100 000 soldiers from all over the world with thier best units guess who won? Yes Sweden with thier 2 units called Town shooter and Hunter. My brother was in that training and they were 300 and captuered over 1000 US solders. so Sweden Owned America :)
true, but i don't think the rest of the civilized world would support an attack on a neutral country that hasn't been offending anyone since the 1700's... So at least some parts of the us will be black holes as well :P
yes i thought i should aswell, how ever i dont see you making any better, so kindly shut your trap and dont be rude untill youve made one better. thank you
You know what! I have so much to say about this topic, it's easier to send me a pm in here then we can continue this conversation on our e-mails or something like that.
they wouldn't feel the need for revenge, that was one of the things amongst others the Nazis would go to election on. You know what, I have some much to say about this topic so anyone who feels like contine this conversation, send me a pm in here with your e-mail, if you'd like,
No, that wasn't what I was going 2 say. It was, hypothetically, if the US never had enter WW1, then maybe Germany would have won, most probably not, seeing how the strength ratio were at that time. Then Germany wouldn't have suffered from the Treaty of Versailles and had a grudge, I say grudge in lack of a better word, against the allies and
Here's a thought on the debate of the best win:loss ratio.
When WW1 ended, the allies could have been a little nicer to Germany regarding the monetarycompensation. If, and I say if, theres no guarantee that it would have been different, we can never no, Germany didn't have to pay that large amount of money to the allies, they wouldn't have to
i really like us, espacially the land, but in last time there were rally a lot of mistakes in strategy and other ways. you must see the truth and not the patriotic side. if you see the truth you can change things for the future.
the polls how were they made ? you need really two armys fighting against each other that you can be sure. and i think when you let the swedish army fight against a equal number of us soldiers, i'm not sure who would win.
next the german subs sank 150 war ships and 2500 trading ships in ww2. i think that is a lot. noone can really say which army is the number one. but look at sweden. they have 9 million habitants und us nearly 300 million. but for their 9 million they have really a strong army.
to aow4321, polls mean nothing, noone can guarantee that they are right. people always trust the written word but that is a big mistake. these kind of people surely said irak war is over in one year and we must not send more troops and so one. yet we see how right they were.
aow4321, he's right. US land troops, especially enlisted, are really uneducated and unprofessional. They are a joke. Stop being so damn disrespectful too. Sweden is good. Just because you have a good military doesn't mean you must get involved in stupid wars that don't directly affect your country (ie. getting invaded).
to the experts, who say this or that army would be number one. how do they measure it ? is this really objective. i say no. you must see to nations in war that you can say which is the better army. how will these experts know how the biggest part of the army will "work" in real war ?
i'm not swedish but the sweds are surely very good. and to the ww2, no country could have win this war in the role of germany. they had russian, french, british, us, . . against them. who could have win that ?
about the us, maybe they have a lot of men and so on, but that means nothing when you make so much strategic mistakes. the people just see numbers, but numbers nearly mean nothing. training, strategic knowledge and so on are much more important
Guys Im not brainwashed so stop that shit cause its getting old real fast, even a british military historian will tell you the same as me(What do they brainwash their civilians to think america is the best?)...but lets just make up and comprimise, Sweden and the US both have good technology, and are equally good. Im not that bad of a person if you really knew me...
Iit's very hard to imagine any circumstance in which the US would fight Sweden: the US would rather keep buying stuff from Sweden and let Sweden worry about their own thing.
Due to the present superiority of the US military, Sweden is in position where it has little to worry about. It only need continue exporting weapons and preparing for the eventuality of a world made unstable by a retreat of US power.
Meh, who cares about the sheer size of the army now days.
Sweden is the most Uranium-packed country in the world. If we ever would be in threat of a superpower, we could build up a nice force of Nukes since we got both the cunning and the money to do it.
But I sincerly doubt that we ever will have to do that... at least, that is what I hope.
Tror jag läste att vi hade världens största/bästa flygvapen ett pyttelitet tag på 50-talet men jag kan minnas fel, kanske var näst bästa eller något. Kärnvapnena visste jag inget om, däremot fick jag väl höra någon gång i tiden att vi visst har saker förberedda så att vi kan fixa om det skulle finnas behov av det.
What can you compare with when your little blueprint ain't out yet? Don't think our industry will stand still just 'coz we are leading on this market. Sweden innovated this technology on these naval units so... too bad, you Americans just suck.
O and we have 2 DD1000 prototypes out and they are working fine. They have 2 155mm guns, multiple SM-4 SAMs, along with Tomahawk and Harpoon missles, that including its stealth technology and Aegis defence System outclasses the Visby already. Coming a little later is a Stealth Aircraft Carrier(cv21) which will be bigger than the Nimitz in 2012-2013 and a Stealth cruiser which will be more powerful than the DD1000 in 2015.
However Swedish Subs apparently are undetectable by US Navy. A Swedish Sub on loan to the USA Navy "sunk" the Reagan during an exercise, without the screen ever knowing it was there.
However I hope we Swedes never get to use our weapons.
Perhaps, but the DDG-1000 is a destroyer it only stand to reason that it will "blow that puny raft out of the water". Also, a Swedish submarine of the Gotland class managed to bypass the entire escort group of the USS Ronald Reagan and photographed it's hull, thereby "sinking" it during a wargame. Mind you, part of a carrier groups only task is anti-sub hunting and they knew the sub was coming.
well if I remember correctly submarines dont win a war(Germans-WW2), plus Sweden dosent have any SSBNs. The US has 3 key advantages...Technology, Money, and sheer Size. Furthermore Sweden dosent even have a military, you have a defensive force which is much smaller than our National Guard, hence Sweden dosent show up on any top military lists...
Shit you do have quite the big stick up your ass, don't you? We were discussing stealthy, sneaky ships and in particular Swedish technology in that field. That's why I mentioned the Gotland sub that was so stealthy that it bypassed the entire carrier group; a destroyer squadron, 2 Aegis missile cruisers, 3 guided missile destroyer, 2 attack subs and of course the air wing. Technology, money and sheer size doesn't win wars either.
1-We bout 1 of your subs and are building sonar that can detect it, as we do with pretty much anything.
2-Technology, Size, and money seemed to be on the US and UK's side in WW2, and look who won...and although youll want to say the germans had better technology, in a sense they did but, they invested in expensive untested things(like the jet) while we had the best in what was around(Iowa Battleships, P-51 Mustangs, and the list goes on)
AoW4321, maybe you're too fanatic to consider what all your tax money goes to. We would require a boost in our defensive capacity, not to increase our ability to defend ourselves but only as a educational bonus. I think we prioritate welfare and democracy over fist fights.
US wants to be related to have the best military force, their soldiers is to most part pretty, if not very, unproffessional considering all the crimes against human rights in foreign contries they siege, not only Vietnam but also Iraq by hanging up burned corpses by Mosques and playing around like they did during Vietnam. It's a great difference having the best military and having the largest in potential numbers.
What!?!?!? I take serious offence to that as a marine! we do no such thing. Show me your source for your accusations...and do what I told desdecado and look for 1 non-swedish/non-american(so its fair) poll that says your even the #5 top military, get back to me when you find it.
So? What's the big fucking deal with that? Swedens military exists today for defensive purposes and to participate in Peace-keeping missions. We do however have one of the best equipped and most technological advanced military of modern times. What we have may not be that much but damn, it is good. Maybe you've heard of Bofors? Griffin? HMS Gotland? Stridsbåt 90? HMS Visby? Just some of our stuff.
Money and public opinion wins war. If a cheap sub easily can sink just a single carrier worth billions and also kill hundreds (or even thousands) of people, you flower power population will start screaming. It wont take long until you have to withdrawl. You can win by nuking us, but hey, even a monkey can own a nuke nowadays.
What? I use the German U-boats as an example all the time...the germans had the best subs in WW2 yet they did hardly any damage to the enemy other than disrupt shipping. And "Flower Power"? You guys have never entered a war, what a bunch of pussies if you ask me. Show me one non-american/non-swedish poll that rates sweden #1. I would respect you if you were saying Russia or China is better because they have a chance, but Sweden...what is this world coming to.
Never entered a war? Are you shitting me? Never is a strong word. Sweden has, as a country, the most wins (country vs country) in history. Weve taken Moscow, Riga, Frankfurt, Erfurt, Nurnberg, Augsberg, Munich, Warsaw, Krakow, Holstein, Narva, Poltava, and being (or tried to be) invaded by Denmark, Norway, Poland, Russia, Preussen and others I cant even remember. Modern warfare has been alot quieter but we did bombing runs in Kongo and other similar tasks given to us by the UN.
Heres a stat we have the richest economy, best military, and best win:loss ratio and were only a 250 year old country. No one can compete with that...yet...
Let me guess: for the sake of giving you good stats we count "modern day" 60yrs back, not 100 eh? We could pull alot of crap out of statistics, for example, the US has not won a single war alone. The only one you were alone in, Vietnam, eh well we know what happened there. Cant you do anything on your own? ;)
THats only part true because we have only entered wars to aid allies in the 1st half of the century, WW1+WW2 would have been a disaster if we didnt enter them, and we won the military war in vietnam, just not the politcal side of it. Your stats seem a bit faulty as we won "the war of 1812" and "the revolutionary war" with very minor indian and french help, and the french were late to reinforce us.
"we have only entered wars to aid allies in the 1st half of the century, WW1+WW2 would have been a disaster if we didnt enter them"
To aid allies?
You entered world war I because German submarines attacked american ships.
You entered world war II because Japan bombed Pearl harbor, still you didnt declare war against Germany or Italy, they declared war on USA and USA declared war in response.
Sweden would rather see their own people living a good life rather than having a greater army. Sweden uses some of the best technology in the world, making us able to withstand an invasion or participating in Peacekeeping missions. We are the ones together with the ISAF cleaning the mess you guys made in Afghanistan. Sweden has one of the best livingstandards in the world, we have free health and we are some of the most educated and competence people in the world. Who's a pussy now..
Swedens Finance Department has made the Visby the worlds most expensive fishing boat, because they chose to reduce the budget with 1 billion (removing anti-aircraft missiles), from 11 or smtn and approved earlier. This makes Visby unable to defend herself and her friendlie. Which is its MAIN PURPOSE. How they think that they are qualified to decide such a thing is as much a mystery as no other. I wonder why the ex-Defense minister chose to abdicate??? I hate them, my fellow countrymens. IDIOTS!
AlGothi37 4 months ago
We need and want this ship, greetings from finland!
united against russia.
ZounaaS 11 months ago
@hallopapa: I hope dutch will do so, that might give the courrage to other european countrys a well. For further information search "islamic demographs" in youtube and have a look. I think if we don't prepare they well screw us up in a few decades. Only matematic solution...get more kids. Not very popular I know, but better than fierce Civil War.
CDM2979 1 year ago
that ship defending the multiculture of sweden.
SelSun83 2 years ago
take your country back
nfusionthemes 1 year ago
it looks fast, she's really moving her big ass !
JonGarrett2008 2 years ago
The only problem with this corvette is that it doesnt can defend it self from air threats, I do not have any ground to air missiles. But they are going to install some South African missiles now to fix this prob, hope they will due...
smorgasbord3 2 years ago
from usa sweden does have advanced navy good sub technology.. there military is only for defense the country is alot smaller than ours so they don't need a large military.
loganstormo8 2 years ago 2
@loganstormo8 It s weird that a small neutral country with a defense army, is one the bigger weapon exporters in the world. Bofors, Saab, Kockums, Ericcson, Hägglunds make very advanced weapons, like warships, submarines, fighter planes, drones, tanks, surveillence systems, artillery, missiles. The Gustav and the excalibure are to wepons the US succesfully use in Iraq. Excalibur was voted best military invention of the decade.
Neutral my ass!
alexiuzzz 1 year ago
do you like to humiliate yourself? if so, you have succeded :)
0verloord 2 years ago 2
If sweden ends up in a war with the US we can hold them off by sinking our air craft carriers. Becuse you americans cant survive without our air planes. If you still manage to fly here we just shoot you right out of the sky with the Saab jas 39 gripen.
battlefield2SWE 2 years ago
We wouldn't stand a chance. However we do have some of the best equipment in the world. We just have to little of it.
U.S.A have 5,778 aircraft, of which 2,402 are fighters. Sweden have 198 fighters and a couple of other aircrafts for transporting, like the C-130 Hercules, Saab 2000 and Cessna Citation.
wellerocks 2 years ago
I don't understand, why United States of America should go war with Sweden. I am from Finland, and I can tell that either of us, Finland or Sweden, wouldn't stand a shit against military superpower of US even as united. How could we, if we couldn't even beat each other? Get real, man. Fuckin' awesome ship, anyway. We have FNS Hamina and you got HMS Visby. Armies of Northern Lands, unite!
Zombibombi62 2 years ago 23
here's how you win, strap a bomb to every chinese person in the world, and send them off against America. don't worry, their population will still grow despite any casualties.
skateboader 2 years ago
So true!
MastaMag 2 years ago
@Zombibombi62 As a US commander said once.. If we had just as much as multiroll corvets then I would be proud of our navy and I would cry IF Sweden do not survive or do a grate damage to the other fleet :)
mummifiedcourpsse 6 months ago
@mummifiedcourpsse We have multirole destroyers out the wazoo though, does that count?
SayokoHatsuya 6 months ago
my question is, why Grey in the camouflage?? why not navy blue, which the US navy uses, it will be less visible in sight of enemy aircraft, well i guess it doesnt matter at all,
roelskiing 2 years ago
the gray colour makes it hard to see on a infrared camera. just like the Norwegian SKJOLD class
MegaLith18 2 years ago
at least we aren't arrogant racists.
Red0100 3 years ago
Islam is not race.
MokomaSusi 2 years ago
Ha ha ha....it is SO cool that such a small nation continues to innovate with military technology. The Gripen fighter is also tops.
Go Sverige!
speedseduction 3 years ago
The seas have been calm because of the Finns.
KekkonenKalasti 2 years ago
ssuckk my dick ronn jeremy
sntch123 3 years ago
vilken skönhet
antonludvigkarlsson 3 years ago
vart har du filmat ??
Lkpgskate 3 years ago
Om inte jag ser helt fel så är der i kalmarsundet. Därför ser man ölandsbron mot slutet av filmen.
marcusroos 3 years ago
Filmen är gjord från Varvsholmen i Kalmar. Visbykorvetten åkte norrut för en militärövning. Längre fram i filmen ser du ölandsbron. Undertecknad vinkar från båten i mitten på filmen.../Peter
petericson 3 years ago
VISBY is the first operational stelth ship in the world! All others are bad copies!
SgtDrDeath 3 years ago 2
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How come? Americans made stealth boat (Skunk Works) in 1985 already.
Is swedish Archer artillery copy of slovenian "ShKH Dana" artillery?
MokomaSusi 3 years ago
Haaaaaaaaaahahahaha, and you compare it to this stealthwise, LoL. But then again finns aren´t known to be to bright you fucking retard.
Ifiwannabe 3 years ago
It seems your parent's didn't teach you good manners.
It's not my problem that you cant handle facts.
MokomaSusi 3 years ago
Yes and no. Americans desinged DD(X) before Visby even was in paper, so I could claim Visby to be copy of DD(X). However, DD(X) isn't operational yet, so Visby indeed is the first OPERATIONAL stealth ship. =)
Zombibombi62 2 years ago
Yeah and btw we finns are indeed bright, when we rely more on infantry and guerilla-stylish warfare. Why? Because our most likely enemy would be Russia, that canno't be beaten up by normal army from country of Finland's size. So, we do have some aerial units and heavy ground units to support our infantry, but our main priority is an flexible high-tech infantry-driven, defensive army becouse attacking faction is always in disadvantage....
Zombibombi62 2 years ago
Actually the us navys Sea Shadow (IX-529) commissioned on March 1 1986 was the first operational stealth ship.
ghdgdgr 1 year ago
Oh right! That I forgot. *facepalm* I should've remembered that one, but yeah Americas are all the way the pioneers of stealth technology no matter what.
Zombibombi62 1 year ago
Are you a commie or a muslim?
Tummieman 3 years ago
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Sweden is a muslim country.
They are protecting terrorists instead of sending them to "Gitmo" and the new leader of the largest political party, the social democrates name are "Mona Muslim".
Tummieman 3 years ago
WTF are you talking about...you been at the bottle or something?
wartmcbeighn 3 years ago
Do they allow mental patients to use computers at the hospitals ?
Ifiwannabe 3 years ago
Why are people saying sweden will be a muslim country? About 70% of the people here are atheists. Why would we go back to believe in that crap again?
Uriel9 3 years ago 21
@Uriel9 Very easy...check the birth rates. Muslims 8.1. Europe 1.38 average. In 2050
Europe will be islamic.
CDM2979 1 year ago
@CDM2979 Agree thats why the dutch wan't the stop Islamic coming in.
hallopapa111 1 year ago
@CDM2979 That assumes the birth rates of immigrants will stay the same for the next 40 years. Actual data shows, however, that by the third generation, the birthrate of immigrants, even Muslim ones, to be in line with the average.
But then you won't let facts stand in the way of your preconceptions, now will you?
CoriolanusAtrox 1 year ago
@Uriel9 Europe because of there immigration policies let muslim's and people from the middle east in to europe. Now White europeans are having one kid to the muslim's 8 kids you do the math. Europe will be 80% muslim's by 2050 all it take is one generation to change that.
dasani7998 1 year ago
@dasani7998 True...and that´s why its too late to change it, however we can see a increasing number of young "2.a generations" muslims whos leaving the religion in favor for the modern life and religions.
But..the Blue eyed Viking warrior from the north will disapear for sure:(
Skalmans750 7 months ago
@Uriel9 the birth number is 5 to 1,5 in the favor of the muslims. If you add the enormous amount of muslims that our goverment is massimporting we will be outnumbered around year 2030-45, its a fact.
There are many muslims in our goverment atm, aswell as in many other authorities...police, military etc etc.
"Exmuslims" managed to stop a school ment to educate imams payed with swedish taxmoney, yet the political islam is spreading throut sweden.
Skalmans750 7 months ago
ser ut som en ahlgrens bils nästan :)
JoelTarnabene 3 years ago
Skrattar gott....nu när du säger det så tycker jag det med...asg*
olssonII 3 years ago
OMG a Sweden VS USA virtual chat war!!!
DennisHaggqvist 3 years ago
Yeah! Hahahahahahaha! You´re right. I guess most of them are kids though.
karlkalkon 3 years ago
All laughs at you to comrade!! (laughing WITH not against you)
olssonII 3 years ago
sorry... @ 01:02 "watch?v=Lqfvr6-s3Yc"
rasmusx15 3 years ago
Now, thats a ugly ship!... but its stealth, and these ships are just ugly. xD BUT... take a look on this baby "watch?v=Lqfvr6-s3Yc"... @ 02:01 you will se 3 stealth ships. these are the Royal Danish Navy's new stealth-ships, and they are pretty smart... enjoy:)
rasmusx15 3 years ago
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yes am afraid ur wright UK
Swdens lick the moslims in their asses
throw the shit out from europe
nightravenonline 3 years ago
Nice.
Propulsion looks very familiar, let's see it launch some anti-ship rbs missiles? :)
plasmis77 3 years ago
The Swedish submarine "Gotland" was never found by the "GreatUS Navy"lol
stratocaster78a 3 years ago 5
lol, just like the Dutch diesel electric submarines during a same sort of excersice. Before the excersise the american sailors where all like we are gonna find that thing in a few minutes its not even nuclear powerd, in the end it was sitting underneath the aircraft carrier all the time
@ clsteele what does it even matter what would happen if the US would attack Sweden first of all the rest of the EU would attack the US so no way the americans r gonna be that stupid, 2nd why the hell would they
JMP98251 3 years ago
yeah they leased the HMS Gotland for 2 years, not learning about it or its techniques but learning how to just simply destroying it.
wellerocks 2 years ago
Varför pratar inte alla svenskar på svenska bara, lol?
Salvaussee 3 years ago
så att andra kan fatta.
wellerocks 2 years ago
I am going in Lumpen in juli and joining the Worlds best storm troopers its Called Town shooter in Sweden. In 2005 it was a world training in Sweden 100 000 soldiers from all over the world with thier best units guess who won? Yes Sweden with thier 2 units called Town shooter and Hunter. My brother was in that training and they were 300 and captuered over 1000 US solders. so Sweden Owned America :)
lolzas 3 years ago
but if you think about it an all out war between america and sweden ...you would get totally twatted all over mate
clsteele 3 years ago
And how are/did you doing in Vietnam, Afghanistan and Iraq?
Learn from your history and understand that war is not all about firepower.
DZinne 3 years ago
and if youd care not to assume im american it would be much appreciated :)
im british im just stating the facts between america and sweeden sweeden would well a big black hole in hte ground does it just about justice...
clsteele 3 years ago
true, but i don't think the rest of the civilized world would support an attack on a neutral country that hasn't been offending anyone since the 1700's... So at least some parts of the us will be black holes as well :P
TheCarlez 3 years ago 2
That's a truly amazing conclusion. You should become a professional security analyst.
barnsoldat91 3 years ago
yes i thought i should aswell, how ever i dont see you making any better, so kindly shut your trap and dont be rude untill youve made one better. thank you
clsteele 3 years ago
sweden will be the country exporting "clones" in like 300 years for the Highest bidder the same way Bofors supplys tech to Nato .
you Test we supply.
ondagubben 4 years ago
Why are the ship so high?
bmbberntsen 4 years ago
It's not much higher than other similar sized ships, though it looks higher due to the solid hull coatings.
ProNetal 3 years ago
You know what! I have so much to say about this topic, it's easier to send me a pm in here then we can continue this conversation on our e-mails or something like that.
KEGST 4 years ago
they wouldn't feel the need for revenge, that was one of the things amongst others the Nazis would go to election on. You know what, I have some much to say about this topic so anyone who feels like contine this conversation, send me a pm in here with your e-mail, if you'd like,
KEGST 4 years ago
No, that wasn't what I was going 2 say. It was, hypothetically, if the US never had enter WW1, then maybe Germany would have won, most probably not, seeing how the strength ratio were at that time. Then Germany wouldn't have suffered from the Treaty of Versailles and had a grudge, I say grudge in lack of a better word, against the allies and
KEGST 4 years ago
Here's a thought on the debate of the best win:loss ratio.
When WW1 ended, the allies could have been a little nicer to Germany regarding the monetarycompensation. If, and I say if, theres no guarantee that it would have been different, we can never no, Germany didn't have to pay that large amount of money to the allies, they wouldn't have to
KEGST 4 years ago
we can never no?
BrottarbrallanIV 4 years ago
Nice video.
samsungdog 4 years ago
i really like us, espacially the land, but in last time there were rally a lot of mistakes in strategy and other ways. you must see the truth and not the patriotic side. if you see the truth you can change things for the future.
philipp24tirol 4 years ago
the polls how were they made ? you need really two armys fighting against each other that you can be sure. and i think when you let the swedish army fight against a equal number of us soldiers, i'm not sure who would win.
philipp24tirol 4 years ago
next the german subs sank 150 war ships and 2500 trading ships in ww2. i think that is a lot. noone can really say which army is the number one. but look at sweden. they have 9 million habitants und us nearly 300 million. but for their 9 million they have really a strong army.
philipp24tirol 4 years ago
to aow4321, polls mean nothing, noone can guarantee that they are right. people always trust the written word but that is a big mistake. these kind of people surely said irak war is over in one year and we must not send more troops and so one. yet we see how right they were.
philipp24tirol 4 years ago 2
aow4321, he's right. US land troops, especially enlisted, are really uneducated and unprofessional. They are a joke. Stop being so damn disrespectful too. Sweden is good. Just because you have a good military doesn't mean you must get involved in stupid wars that don't directly affect your country (ie. getting invaded).
Joudahmon 4 years ago 2
I try to be the bigger man and say that were both good but you guys want to drag me right back into it...
aow4321 4 years ago
to the experts, who say this or that army would be number one. how do they measure it ? is this really objective. i say no. you must see to nations in war that you can say which is the better army. how will these experts know how the biggest part of the army will "work" in real war ?
philipp24tirol 4 years ago
i'm not swedish but the sweds are surely very good. and to the ww2, no country could have win this war in the role of germany. they had russian, french, british, us, . . against them. who could have win that ?
philipp24tirol 4 years ago
Im talking about the subs not the war but ya your right
aow4321 4 years ago
about the us, maybe they have a lot of men and so on, but that means nothing when you make so much strategic mistakes. the people just see numbers, but numbers nearly mean nothing. training, strategic knowledge and so on are much more important
philipp24tirol 4 years ago
and the US is known for good training, Commanders, and so on.
aow4321 4 years ago
Guys Im not brainwashed so stop that shit cause its getting old real fast, even a british military historian will tell you the same as me(What do they brainwash their civilians to think america is the best?)...but lets just make up and comprimise, Sweden and the US both have good technology, and are equally good. Im not that bad of a person if you really knew me...
aow4321 4 years ago
True. There are assholes everywhere. We just have to look apart from them. Hopefully Sweden and America won't fight eachother.
wellerocks 2 years ago 3
Iit's very hard to imagine any circumstance in which the US would fight Sweden: the US would rather keep buying stuff from Sweden and let Sweden worry about their own thing.
Due to the present superiority of the US military, Sweden is in position where it has little to worry about. It only need continue exporting weapons and preparing for the eventuality of a world made unstable by a retreat of US power.
vampirekiller9283 2 years ago
uh guys the hazels tears was me i just typed it on my friends account cause she left it on here by accident sorry =(
aow4321 4 years ago
i hate you
hazelstears 2 years ago
lol oops...
aow4321 2 years ago
Meh, who cares about the sheer size of the army now days.
Sweden is the most Uranium-packed country in the world. If we ever would be in threat of a superpower, we could build up a nice force of Nukes since we got both the cunning and the money to do it.
But I sincerly doubt that we ever will have to do that... at least, that is what I hope.
Red0100 4 years ago 2
Same here nuclear war is the last thing that you would want...and I thank Russia and the US for relising that Nuclear War would destroy the planet...
hazelstears 4 years ago
We almost did get nukes in the 50ies I believe, but decided against it for moral reasons.
ostbagen 4 years ago
Yes, and with the money that was "ear-marked" for this program, we (swedes) built the fourth largest air force in the world.
Dragonilm 3 years ago
seriöst ? äre sant ? :P visste jag inte
ogge581 3 years ago
Tror jag läste att vi hade världens största/bästa flygvapen ett pyttelitet tag på 50-talet men jag kan minnas fel, kanske var näst bästa eller något. Kärnvapnena visste jag inget om, däremot fick jag väl höra någon gång i tiden att vi visst har saker förberedda så att vi kan fixa om det skulle finnas behov av det.
JohanKH 3 years ago
Sweden Had the fifth largest airforce after world war 2.
wellerocks 2 years ago
because every other coúntry went to war and their planes was shot down??? not much to compete with
Swedenisnumberone 2 years ago
Some American experts think that this corvette is going to be a total failure... we'll see. When u guys gonna buy the Umkhonto SAM?
marcuslager 4 years ago
Jag älskar den där grejen! :D
skrivbok 4 years ago
swedish,american and german corvett are the best.
Dreamwear 4 years ago
Swedish ship´s stealth-tec better than US one in
the moment
truthspeaker2000 5 years ago
What are you talking about the DD1000 isnt even out yet but when it does come out it will blow that puny raft out of the water.
aow4321 4 years ago
What can you compare with when your little blueprint ain't out yet? Don't think our industry will stand still just 'coz we are leading on this market. Sweden innovated this technology on these naval units so... too bad, you Americans just suck.
BorkaBonum 4 years ago
O and we have 2 DD1000 prototypes out and they are working fine. They have 2 155mm guns, multiple SM-4 SAMs, along with Tomahawk and Harpoon missles, that including its stealth technology and Aegis defence System outclasses the Visby already. Coming a little later is a Stealth Aircraft Carrier(cv21) which will be bigger than the Nimitz in 2012-2013 and a Stealth cruiser which will be more powerful than the DD1000 in 2015.
aow4321 4 years ago
However Swedish Subs apparently are undetectable by US Navy. A Swedish Sub on loan to the USA Navy "sunk" the Reagan during an exercise, without the screen ever knowing it was there.
However I hope we Swedes never get to use our weapons.
ostbagen 4 years ago
Yes, it's the Gotland class submarine from Sweden. It is possible the most advanced submarine in the world.
Dragonilm 3 years ago
We already sell the Carl Gustav recoilless rifle around the world, it's very popular. :-)
ProNetal 3 years ago
The americans are borrowing it now thought so they probably learn how to detect it / build their owns I guess ;D
JohanKH 3 years ago
Perhaps, but the DDG-1000 is a destroyer it only stand to reason that it will "blow that puny raft out of the water". Also, a Swedish submarine of the Gotland class managed to bypass the entire escort group of the USS Ronald Reagan and photographed it's hull, thereby "sinking" it during a wargame. Mind you, part of a carrier groups only task is anti-sub hunting and they knew the sub was coming.
Zakewath 4 years ago 2
well if I remember correctly submarines dont win a war(Germans-WW2), plus Sweden dosent have any SSBNs. The US has 3 key advantages...Technology, Money, and sheer Size. Furthermore Sweden dosent even have a military, you have a defensive force which is much smaller than our National Guard, hence Sweden dosent show up on any top military lists...
aow4321 4 years ago
Shit you do have quite the big stick up your ass, don't you? We were discussing stealthy, sneaky ships and in particular Swedish technology in that field. That's why I mentioned the Gotland sub that was so stealthy that it bypassed the entire carrier group; a destroyer squadron, 2 Aegis missile cruisers, 3 guided missile destroyer, 2 attack subs and of course the air wing. Technology, money and sheer size doesn't win wars either.
Zakewath 4 years ago
And Zake, 2 things.
1-We bout 1 of your subs and are building sonar that can detect it, as we do with pretty much anything.
2-Technology, Size, and money seemed to be on the US and UK's side in WW2, and look who won...and although youll want to say the germans had better technology, in a sense they did but, they invested in expensive untested things(like the jet) while we had the best in what was around(Iowa Battleships, P-51 Mustangs, and the list goes on)
hazelstears 4 years ago
AoW4321, maybe you're too fanatic to consider what all your tax money goes to. We would require a boost in our defensive capacity, not to increase our ability to defend ourselves but only as a educational bonus. I think we prioritate welfare and democracy over fist fights.
BorkaBonum 4 years ago
Uh no ask any military expert, they will tell you the US is the best military and Sweden wouldnt be on the top ten...
hazelstears 4 years ago
US wants to be related to have the best military force, their soldiers is to most part pretty, if not very, unproffessional considering all the crimes against human rights in foreign contries they siege, not only Vietnam but also Iraq by hanging up burned corpses by Mosques and playing around like they did during Vietnam. It's a great difference having the best military and having the largest in potential numbers.
BorkaBonum 4 years ago
What!?!?!? I take serious offence to that as a marine! we do no such thing. Show me your source for your accusations...and do what I told desdecado and look for 1 non-swedish/non-american(so its fair) poll that says your even the #5 top military, get back to me when you find it.
aow4321 4 years ago
So? What's the big fucking deal with that? Swedens military exists today for defensive purposes and to participate in Peace-keeping missions. We do however have one of the best equipped and most technological advanced military of modern times. What we have may not be that much but damn, it is good. Maybe you've heard of Bofors? Griffin? HMS Gotland? Stridsbåt 90? HMS Visby? Just some of our stuff.
wellerocks 2 years ago 3
Money and public opinion wins war. If a cheap sub easily can sink just a single carrier worth billions and also kill hundreds (or even thousands) of people, you flower power population will start screaming. It wont take long until you have to withdrawl. You can win by nuking us, but hey, even a monkey can own a nuke nowadays.
desdecado30 4 years ago 2
What? I use the German U-boats as an example all the time...the germans had the best subs in WW2 yet they did hardly any damage to the enemy other than disrupt shipping. And "Flower Power"? You guys have never entered a war, what a bunch of pussies if you ask me. Show me one non-american/non-swedish poll that rates sweden #1. I would respect you if you were saying Russia or China is better because they have a chance, but Sweden...what is this world coming to.
aow4321 4 years ago
Never entered a war? Are you shitting me? Never is a strong word. Sweden has, as a country, the most wins (country vs country) in history. Weve taken Moscow, Riga, Frankfurt, Erfurt, Nurnberg, Augsberg, Munich, Warsaw, Krakow, Holstein, Narva, Poltava, and being (or tried to be) invaded by Denmark, Norway, Poland, Russia, Preussen and others I cant even remember. Modern warfare has been alot quieter but we did bombing runs in Kongo and other similar tasks given to us by the UN.
desdecado30 4 years ago
Ah but we're talking about modern day, and today Sweden cant play with the big boys, they can only make some of there toys.
aow4321 4 years ago
During the cold war Sweden could mobilise over 1 million men, we had the 4th largest airforce and one of the largest navies.
If we wanted to, we could have had a much larger military then we have today.
To bad thats not what the government wants, the defence minister resigned today becuase of the proposed defence budget cuts.
jimmyn89 4 years ago
Heres a stat we have the richest economy, best military, and best win:loss ratio and were only a 250 year old country. No one can compete with that...yet...
aow4321 4 years ago
"best win:loss ratio"
very impressive, especially if you consider that USA pretty much only fights against much weaker nations with outdated equipment.
jimmyn89 4 years ago 2
Let me guess: for the sake of giving you good stats we count "modern day" 60yrs back, not 100 eh? We could pull alot of crap out of statistics, for example, the US has not won a single war alone. The only one you were alone in, Vietnam, eh well we know what happened there. Cant you do anything on your own? ;)
desdecado30 4 years ago
THats only part true because we have only entered wars to aid allies in the 1st half of the century, WW1+WW2 would have been a disaster if we didnt enter them, and we won the military war in vietnam, just not the politcal side of it. Your stats seem a bit faulty as we won "the war of 1812" and "the revolutionary war" with very minor indian and french help, and the french were late to reinforce us.
aow4321 4 years ago
"we have only entered wars to aid allies in the 1st half of the century, WW1+WW2 would have been a disaster if we didnt enter them"
To aid allies?
You entered world war I because German submarines attacked american ships.
You entered world war II because Japan bombed Pearl harbor, still you didnt declare war against Germany or Italy, they declared war on USA and USA declared war in response.
jimmyn89 4 years ago
You list the reasons the USA gave their own people but not what they actually did on entering those wars.
morbidfrost 4 years ago
actually i correct myself on my stats post, the UK might have a comparible win:loss ratio, but not in their first 250 years, so my answer stands
aow4321 4 years ago
Sweden would rather see their own people living a good life rather than having a greater army. Sweden uses some of the best technology in the world, making us able to withstand an invasion or participating in Peacekeeping missions. We are the ones together with the ISAF cleaning the mess you guys made in Afghanistan. Sweden has one of the best livingstandards in the world, we have free health and we are some of the most educated and competence people in the world. Who's a pussy now..
wellerocks 2 years ago
Fet gummijolle!!!! =) Korvett4Ever
Johanoeberg 5 years ago