What a hero Scott Walker is. People in Wisconsin should realize what a great guy they've got. Public sector unions are ALWAYS a fraud against the taxpayers. It is a good thing we have at least some wealthy individuals like the Koch brothers willing to be generously give their money in support of good policy, since about 18 of the 20 top political donors nationwide (see open secrets) are - you got it - public sector unions engaged in cronyism against the taxpayers.
Now Walker is taking money meant to help people with their mortgages and applying it towards filling the state budget deficit that he created. What a piece of shit!
This video insults the good name of whores. Walker is a cheap little liar who THINKS he is destined for bigger things, but all he is destined for is the bottom of the garbage heap.
WALKER: This is what happens when Democrats stay home on Election Day. A 2.59 GPA college drop out and a Koch Brother's corporately bought lackey Republican Governor gets elected!
@barbtube01 Yeah what is even more laughable is walker is ahead in the polls. Half the american are nothing but a bunch of fucking idiots! Amazing how the right has managed to get half the country to actually think they're part of the GOP frat club. God help us!
@scottsway Sad but so true! There's a good video on YouTube you may want to watch it's called "Letters Expose Agenda Of Billionaire Koch Brothers" It exposes how the right wing is trying to influence education.......scary video.
Ouch. It hurts to know that the Marxist propaganda isn't working on Wisconsinites, doesn't it? The only idiots are those who support these public sector unions robbing them blind, and fighting people like Walker who are finally standing up to them.
@s9z9s I'm guess you're not some Wall Street hedge fund manager... so why would you vote against your own personal interests? Because you're stupid and fall for the flag waving, "freedom" promises spewed by the ultra rich's puppets (FOX news, Beck, O'Reilly, Palin, etc...) hard to believe they're are people like you out there. Do the world a favor asshole and jump off the nearest bridge!
I understand that because statists such as yourself get all of your information and viewpoints fed to you by talking heads on cable news, you assume the same to be true of anyone who follows politics. That's why because Fox is the one network that's right of center, you assume that anyone you encounter who is right of center must watch Fox News. Everybody else must be a media-satured fluoride baby, just like you, right?
@s9z9s keep dreaming you silly little sociopath piece of shit! It must really suck being you - devoid of empathy or compassion of others. Just end your miserable pathetic existence - no one will miss a pile garbage like you! That bitch of a mother who brought you into the world needs to be slapped!
What's compassionate about wanting to steal other people's money? You're completely oblivious to the fact that it's your own ideology which represents greed, bigotry, and enmity. You divide people by race and income level, and play them off against each other to further your political ends. Jealousy and hatred, not empathy, is what drives you.
@s9z9s Others peoples money moron? Really so the elite dont use our road, bridges, hospitals, OUR EDUCATED workforce, etc.. I cam tell you follow a little wimp like walker and his 2.3 GPA... Amazing the dumbing down of america continues. Go fuck yourself you delusional freak!
I started reading this reply of yours, and I was wondering to myself, "Wow, he actually might not make any personal attacks this time." You disappoint me. No one's arguing about taxpayer-funded roads; we're arguing about overpaid public sector workers and their abusive relationship with the taxpayer. Please justify to me public school teachers being paid over 61% more per hour than private school teachers.
@s9z9s and makes those roads and maintains them? Who taught those guys so they could make roads?
Dont' public employees also pay taxes?
I don't think this is about public employees being "over paid". It seems more about crushing the few strong unions left by pushing a crab mentality, that since private workers are being screwed, public workers should be too. so the people being screwed help the people screwing them.
The reason that there aren't many unions left is that the unions in the private sector got too greedy and were apart of what sent all these manufacturing jobs overseas. The overpaid public sector union worker doesn't worry about their job going overseas, or those that are employing them going bankrupt resulting in them being jobless. They just buy out politicians and push them to keep raising taxes and running deficits.
@s9z9s Greedy? Yopu mean like ...a decent wage, health benefits, the right to use the rbathroom, no forced abortions, safe working conditions so if the building catches fire you can leave.
Because lets be clear. When we talk about how jobs over seas cost less, that's why.
So your proposal is if only the US had more slave like conditions, we would see the jobs come back. Uh huh.
Nobody's attacking private sector unions' right to bargain. It's the public sector unions, being on the taxpayers' dime, that is an entirely different discussion. Even Franklin Roosevelt, as horrible as he was, knew that. You're trying to say public sector unions benefit all workers, but why then are public school teachers paid over 60% more than private school teachers? It sure seems like they're only benefiting themselves; doesn't it?
@s9z9s there have already been a numbe rof attacks on private sector unions startignh with taft hartly.
As I said this has NOTHING to do with saving the tax payer money.
It has to do with attacking what is currently among the strongest unions.
Meanwhile the median public school teacher salary is $51,237. In other words much less the norm for the average Wisconsin household. pretty shitty considering teachers are college educated. Cons like the mahatten institiute played a numbers game.
Do you have any proof for this allegation that the Manhattan Institute is playing with numbers? And if all workers are being benefited, why are public sector workers still paid so much more?
1. One can look at the employment numbers from non biased sources rather then just taking a report from a con think tank at fact value.
2. I have already shown that public sector workers are not necessarily "paid so much more".
3. When public employees do enjoy a decent wage & benefits, it doesn't follow that means they are getting more then they earned. Esp when private workers are so often screwed over by thier employers.
You have not shown that public workers aren't paid more. All you did was accuse the Manhattan Institute of playing with numbers without any proof. You don't get to redefine reality to your liking. You can't just say that, because it's a think tank you clearly don't like, that they're making up things. The definition of "lie" isn't "an analysis which comes to a conclusion I don't like". Also, income isn't distributed; it's earned.
@s9z9s a few more reasons why your argument is flawed.
First, per capita doesn't indicate income distribution. so even if teachers were making far more then average household, a per capita tally would actually HIDE that.
Also, it doesnt' take into account that unlike in many G7 countries, teachers have to pay into their benefits to get them. Or that teaching is a specialized skill so for a proper comparison, we have to look at teachers salaries vs the median for a college educated workers.
@s9z9s and of course all of this side steps the real question...is this worth it?
Obviously a worker who is required ot have a BS if not a masters is expected to have at least some kind of decent salary, otherwise no one would take the job. We don't question if doctors should get paid a decent amount.
& then we have the hypocrisy as US CEOs get 100 of times more and yet they have a far more corrosive affect on the economy then teachers. so where's the outrage from Walker on that?
We're not comparing teachers or other public sector workers with households; we're comparing them with their equivalents in the private sector. And CEOs are not being paid on the taxpayer's dime, so it's none of Walker's or your business.
@s9z9s Again which at best leads to a crab mentality and at worst is misleading. Not only becuase the NAIS (national assoc of independent schools) doesn't release teacher salary info. So it's difficult to even get current data. But so far what we do know is that private schools use money to attract teachers just like public schools do. Indeed, Wisonsin. (wisconsin ranks 8th in best educated states)
@httm241 believe it or not, much of our progressive history has come from "red necks"
sadly too many have been led to believe that thier problems is because some minority or union is getting "too much" and so they end up helping the very people who are screwing them over.
I know a lot of rich republicans that fear the day when rednecks realize they have more in common with a blue collar union worker or a poor black mother then they do with someone like the Kochs.
@s9z9s Since you havent' bothered to read what i wrote before, I can see how you would be confused by my statement.
And since you arent' going to read what I wrote now, I am not sure I should expend more energy pretending you someday will.
I mean I repeat how teacher salary is low for a comparible college educated profesional. Or how that one study is contradicted by others you could google. Or if teachers are so over paid then why do so many leave citing lack of pay?
You still haven't given me any reason to believe that the Manhattan Institute was fixing the numbers. Once again, what would the problem be if we were to tie public school teacher wages to private school teacher wages?
@s9z9s Since you havent' bothered to read what i wrote before, I can see how you would be confused by my statement.
And since you arent' going to read what I wrote now, I am not sure I should expend more energy pretending you someday will.
I mean I repeat how teacher salary is low for a comparible college educated profesional. Or how that one study is contradicted by others you could google. Or if teachers are so over paid then why do so many leave citing lack of pay?
As for workers in right-to-work states being paid less, do these studies factor in the amount of union dues the workers have to pay into the equation?
Of course the union dues are relevant; if what workers have to pay in dues were factored in, we could find no net loss of income in right-to-work states. So I'm not going to believe this number you're giving me unless it takes that into account. Also, if you're going to start talking about household income, you're clearly not serious. Per capita income is what matters.
@s9z9s No because as I said, the higher pay rates and other benefits affect even those NOT in union jobs.
& measuring median household is relevant as it shows teachers Are NOT getting 60% more then other workers. that is specifically relevant to your claim.
You dont even understand what per capita means, do you?
And lets be honest, you arent' going to believe me even if Jesus christ came down and told you personally.
@booley Unions are in business for themselves and should not be allowed to leach taxpayer dollars. They 1) distort the market and hurt more people than they help in the end, 2) add a layer of unnecessary bureaucracy, 3) create and fan into flames hostility between employers and employees - a negative environment that is unproductive and unpleasant for all.
Unions may sometimes increase wages, but they do so against the market - and also, in the case of public sector, against the taxpayer.
@booley Unions are in business for themselves and should not be allowed to leach taxpayer dollars. They 1) distort the market and hurt more people than they help in the end, 2) add a layer of unnecessary bureaucracy, 3) create and fan into flames hostility between employers and employees - a negative environment that is unproductive and unpleasant for all.
Unions may sometimes increase wages, but they do so against the market - and also, in the case of public sector, against the taxpayer.
Well unfortunatly there is sno rational response since your list is pretty mush you stating your opinion as fact.
But the fact is before unions the market you do worship had children working in factories, had people working for pennies, had company towns, had people burned alive when they couldn't get out of the factory.
And in countries without unions.. this still happens.
There's a reason why unions exist in free countries and are outlawed in dictatorships.
@booley 1) it is not opinion that unions distort the market, nor that 2) they work to maintain an adversarial relationship between employers and employees.
I can see how someone may think the layer of bureaucracy is necessary, so I concede that as an opinion.
Gov't jobs don't need to be unionized, period. It's axiomatic the world over that govt jobs are among the most secure & pay better - before unions even enter the picture.
I did not say outlaw unions. I said outlaw public sector unions.
@zoe12757 hmm, well unions do have an adversarial relationship with employers ina way. In the same way that any two groups are adversaries in makign sure they arent' getting screwed over by the other. Why is that bad?
& they do change what the market can do. In the same way brakes change what a car may do. From the examples i listed before,the market needs something to keep it in line.
& that includes gov employers who right now are are screwing over their workers the same as private ones.
@booley I was once approached on the street by a hotel worker who wanted me to sign a petition relating to unionization because the hotel was not paying a fair wage. I looked around and there were perhaps a dozen other hotels in sight. I said, "If they are not treating you appropriately, go work somewhere else." Sometimes we forget that workers are also customers and can vote with their feet. This is legitimate & sufficient pressure on employers who need to recruit and maintain good workers.
@zoe12757 Ahh just liek peopel who tell the homeless to "get a job"
I am sure you felt quite clever. But lets think about that.
What makes you think other hotels aren't just as bad? What makes you assume these hotels, even if they aren't, can and would hire ALL their workers being exploited by other hotels that are?
Clearly in countries w/o unions, corps are more then capable of finding people desperate enough to hire. Sometimes they just lie to do it.
@booley If other hotels were not in fact paying higher wages, then the argument of the worker that the hotel was not paying them a fair wage was false.
When a job market is tight, yes, someone may choose to stay in a position that they feel to be less than ideal. Or they may choose to change industries. Or to be creative and start a home business. Or take a second job. Or find creative ways to reduce their household expenses so they can save enough money to move elsewhere.
@zoe12757 "If other hotels were not in fact paying higher wages, then the argument of the worker that the hotel was not paying them a fair wage was false."
How? Did you even bother to ask what this person considered a fair wage?
IF you are being exploited, it doesnt' make it right just because everyone else is doing it too.
@booley A fair wage is what is agreed to by both parties, period. No one forces an employer to hire, and no one forces an employee to work. I could consider that I should be paid $200 an hour for teaching - that would be "fair" - but it is divorced from reality. Fairness is the fulfillment of contracts freely entered into.
@zoe12757 so if a mugger holds a gun to your head, all of your possessions are a fair trade for him leaving you alone?
Ok too extreme?
So if you were dying of thirst and I had water, me asking for your left arm would be "fair??
Too out there?
So if you lived in a company town where there was no other work & leaving would leave you destitute, then 10 cents a day would be fair because that's the only pay I would offer and you had no choice but to agree?
@booley First example is illegal; legally binding contracts require free agency. Second: Yes, assuming the person owned the water, and did not force the other to accept the deal - - - but I can't imagine a human being ever asking such a thing of another. Can you? Third: Yes, a person seeking to hire another should be able to offer whatever wage they want or feel that they can afford to offer. That is precisely what I am saying. Remember, we are ALL employers and employees at various times.
Onl;y if youcan prove it iona court of law. In any case, the analogy seems to have escaped you which is why I provided others.
But you still didn't get it.
IF you are dying of thirst then ANY deal I make with you is "fair" by your standards. And Yeah humans do that sort of thing all the time. Doesnt' matter if I would do it. Someone would and many have.
@zoe12757 Even if you view yourself as an "employer" you do nto have parity with billionaires like the Koches who can buy and sell you a million times over with their spare change.
Unions have to collect dues from members to lobby politicians.
The Kochs can just write a check.
And that's only the beginning of how the deck is stacked in their favor.
@booley Do you not think anyone in this country has the right to (lawfully) make use of what they have earned or been given? The beauty of America is that rich people become poor all the time, and vice versa. With equal protection under the law, anyone can achieve great wealth, and if they choose to do so, legally and honestly, God bless them. I prefer to live in a place where that is a possibility for everyone, rather than a place where corruption is the only way to reach the top.
@zoe12757 But an even betetr example would be Massey energy's Blankmanship.
There are no other jobs in these areas that aren't; tied to the coal mining. The company pollutes but the residents are too poor to move. Blankmanship has literally bought Judges. They have a horrendous safety record but as I said, it's these dangerous jobs or nothing.
And the best you can come up with some empty platitude about how we are all "employers" at one time or another.
@booley I am arguing for a straightforward and fair relationship between people with equal standing before the law. Corruption by public sector union's use of taxpayer dollars against them is wrong and should be illegal, I argue. Corruption by buying judges is wrong and IS illegal. Both are cronyism and I am against the latter just as much as (or even more than) I am against the former.
@zoe12757 No you are not You are arguing for a dog eat dog system where if you dont' already have money and power, you shouldnt organize with anyone else to help you protect your own interests under the guise of fairness
And you arent afraid to misrepresent and straw man to make your case.
Oh and funny story... Blankmenship bought judges fair and square. he just wrote a check to pay to have any judges who ruled against him lose their elections.
@booley Regarding the judge thing, I am open to hear your proposed solution. I favor justice and don't disagree that the system should permit judges be impartial at all times.
However, I refuse to begrudge any law abiding citizen the property they lawfully own. I expect other people to respect what fruits of my labor I have gained, and I will give others the same courtesy.
Dog eat dog, OK, but that fails to acknowledge the actual decency of most people - even rich ones.
@zoe12757 "I am open to hear your proposed solution."
Really? I thought the market was going to take care of that sort of thing.
That's what bothers me about people with your philosophy.
You create this huge mess when your ideas are made into policy. And then when anyone mentions this mess, your response is "how are YOU going to clean it up"
Sure I could come up w/ideas (like not electing judges) but you refuse to even see what the problem is so you're just going to keep "refusing to accept".
@zoe12757 I mean reaqlly, is that your solution... get rid of any safeguards and thinsg that make the playign field level and hope that somehow, no one ever takes advantage of that?
I mean, Blankenship did. the kochs are. The owners of the sweat shop in bangledesh where workers burned to death because they had been locked inside did.
At some point what you believe has to match up to reality. Otherwise what good is it?
@booley I am not talking about Bangladesh. I am talking about the U.S.
The playing field is level when contracts are upheld people have equal recourse to the law. People who work hard, think creatively, and manage their affairs wisely can generally get ahead in such an environment. Some will succeed more than others, because some will be more diligent, or talented, or fortunate regarding unforeseen tragedy, etc. But at least the possibility for great success exists for all decent people.
@zoe12757 It has been nice talking with you - really. And I am sure there is much more to say on this. I am going to shift away from the conversation, though, since I have some other stuff to do today. Already spent way more time than I expected in the past day on this - as I am sure have you. I wish you well & may talk more later.
@booley (oops - meant to reply this to you, not to myself:) It has been nice talking with you - really. And I am sure there is much more to say on this. I am going to shift away from the conversation, though, since I have some other stuff to do today. Already spent way more time than I expected in the past day on this - as I am sure have you. I wish you well & may talk more later.
@zoe12757 And of course in the case of gov workers. there ARE no other employers.
IF a cop works unreasonable working conditions, he will have to move. Which then requires al these other factors to come into play (like can he afford to)
But these factors effect private sector workers too. THose worker sin china committing suicide would undoubtidly LOVE to move to a better job in the US where there are worker protections. But there are things that keep him from doing that.
@zoe12757 ".... govt jobs are among the most secure & pay better - before unions even enter the picture."
Citation needed.
According to labor stats, about 50% of people who enter the teaching field leave. IF it's so much better in pay and working conditions, then why would that be?
"I said outlaw public sector unions."
So you would outlaw people's right to associate and protect thier interests because which jobs they have? And why stop there? China doesn't differentiate.
@booley As I said, public sector unions are a fraud against the taxpayers. What I mean is: Union dues are extracted from all workers involuntarily. These dues are tax dollars, used for 1) Paying the union bureaucracy, 2) increasing wages and benefits in ways not warranted by the market (i.e. greater than what would ordinarily be required to retain good employees, e.g. taxpayers are overcharged for services rendered), and 3) Supporting politicians who keep the fraud going. This is cronyism.
Since public workers pay union dues and since their checks are paid from tax revenues.. somehow YOU are the one paying.
The same way if I buy a hot dog and then the vender uses that money to buy from Wal-mart, I am actually giving money to walmart.
Interesting philosophy.
& funny you should mention politicians since you clearly didnt' consider that Billionaires that want to exploit people have a lot more influence with them.
@booley Axiomatic - no citation needed. Plus, in America we don't hold people in bondage to a gov't job or to any other job. Employees are free to go elsewhere if they're treated poorly. This forces better treatment b/c employers (including gov't) can't function w/out employees. They need to treat them well enough to keep them!
Many teachers do move on to other things, it is true. I am a teacher myself and am all in favor of teachers making more money. But not by the mechanism of unions.
You should really look a great video by a guy named Theramintrees about the Dunning Kruger effect.
It goes into why people confuse their prejudices for facts to the point where they are unable to self correct when they are wrong. (Because they are incapable of seeing the flaws obvious to others)
For instance, you made a statement meant to be taken factually. No factual statement is beyond citation.
@booley OK - that is fine. Gov't jobs almost always paying better than private sector (I said almost always) I think is a pretty established fact. I've read a lot over the years but don't have time this a.m. to track down an article so I'll concede the point. But even if not, it doesn't invalidate my argument. Gov't employees are free just like anyone to lobby their reps or to vote w/ their feet and go make a ton of money elsewhere if they want.
@zoe12757 You said that gov jobs pay better even WITHOUT Unions. That the good working conditions and pay you assume are always part of a public sector job is intrinsic to that job being public sector.
So the conclusion is public sector workers don't need the strong unions that they have.
But where you really fail is you assume that the strong unions aren't WHY many public sector jobs have good pay?
There's also some crab mentalityy/envy politics going on there but that's another subject.
@s9z9s What fucking putz you are - are you a just a born coward or do you work hard at it? I doubt a fuckstick such as yourself even knows what Marxism is - do you, you fucking bozo? Scott Walker is an ass kissing suck up and a perfect corporate pawn! You Tools live in such a bubble world, devoid of reality & facts!
hope wis. people can vote him out. all people are going to some kind off union or we'll all become mininum wage slaves. when will people wake up? its not unions costing to much, its the oil campanys dictating our cost of living. Everytime it goes up, everyone needs a raise not just union people EVERYONE. We have to come up to the new level so we can pay our way. But until china mexico and all those other low payed people rise up and fight, all we'll have is constrution and all that goes with it
Everyone needs a raise? Where's that money going to come from? And why should a worker in the public sector be paid more than their equivalent in the private sector?
Are video responses not allowed for this video? Figures, cause I have a video from a news broadcast here in Madison Wi in my "favorites" that exposes the editing used in this recording to make you...........
....Well, maybe you should just watch the news report buried by the Walker haters....again I have the video in my "favorites" on my channel........I dare you haters to watch, and listen very carefully!
Think for yourself people....its time to wake up and not be a sheeple any longer
@WisconsinEric Selective editing? Like James O'Keefe did to Acorn? I suppose that selective editing is all right with you when one of Breitbart's scumbags does it? The thing speaks for itself. Walker is a total tool and the Koch's buttboy.
@mannacler This is the edited audio....and you said "the thing speaks for itself"
Scott Walker a tool? Sure, so are all politicians, Republicians and Democrats...but you sheeple can not stop hating long enough to see you being maninipluated and used here...
I was born, raised, and public schooled here in Liberal Madison, and I am a former Liberal myself, and I even still get along with Liberals here in Madison.
But lateIy I have a hard time understanding all the Hatred in many Liberals
@WisconsinEric Your having a hard time understand the dislike of a Governor who has lied a almost every turn. About his plans, what he would accomplish, at every turn he has been dishonest. I would wonder how you can still support him, or are you going to tell me he ran on the policy of busting unions and stripping 800m from schools and then giving those savings over to his political backers?
@WisconsinEric He ran on reducing government. (Has not done this years budget is larger then last years). Balancing budget ( nope though he did successfully get ride of a surplus he took over from Gov Doyle). I will grant one thing he did not lie about was the train. Too bad that backing out of a well thought out infrastructure project for his Highway backers is going to cost us 80 million. So even the one thing he did not lie about was and idiotic move.
What a maroon. This was one of the great political pranks of all time. After this Walker should be forever finished as politician. The guy posing as Koch was totally convincing.
@yandirtty21 SMEAR VIDEO? you are a Koch whore. how STUPID are you. this was a call walker fell for hook, line and sinker. and yes I hail from Portage Wisconsin. no outside influence here. Try as much as you may, you cannot deny that Scotty thought this was real. Treated as real, and responded as such. you are a moron
First of all the fact that the moron doesn't know who he's talking to is provocative enough. They don't have caller ID in Wisconsin? Secondly unions went to shit through corruption, organized crime AND unions backing politicians who where then beholden to them (just like corporations do) so rather than look to balance that out the American response is to destroy them utterly so new waves of corporate corruption can swoop in and exploit the situation. Amazing.
Another armchair expert who doesn't know the difference between private and public sector unions. Why should a public sector worker be paid more than their equivalent in the private sector?
@s9z9s your comment was : Why should a public sector worker be paid more than their equivalent in the private sector? Its real simple you mindless twit - its because the PRIVATE sector wont!
Also worth to mention worthless people on the dole too! The neighborhood im in is an outright Ghetto with the clueless voters here looking for more entitlements... Its all Dem controlled... Local level governance here is a disaster! I wish Guiliani and Pataki were back!
What does this prove??? Walker told the truth! So what? I wish we had him for governor here in NY... Already Cuomo's talking about raising taxes.. He will argue the city has a surplus, but who wouldn't have a surplus when you rip off 47 million out of state traversers with a $8 toll on all tri state city bridges and tunnels, not to mention the tourism and foreigners.... The tolls are now $12 and taxes are being raised once again to avoid Union layoffs... We pay more for Dem supported Unions!
@MrMuzical17 It looks like that public school education didn't workout for you! 'anymore "IF" it's cells' It's a good thing i have a clue unlike you, who seems to have no clue what municipal unions are doing to this nation! NY had a strike back in 05, and it cost the city dearly! As did the MTA.... Strikes are always being threatened here in NY. There are more than enough rules and regulations in place to protect municipal workers rights. Why do government workers need unions anyways?
@the430movie Um sorry but yes they worked out lovely and very adequately for me thank you very much. Also I have nor than enough information regarding workers rights and unions within this country (one of my majors is law fyi) so please don't assume to much. And not there are not more than enough rule protecting workers in this country from inequality. And of course, you are in NY what do you expect when you are in a large concentration of public workers idiot.
@MrMuzical17 How old are you? Do you even understand what taxes are and how my hard earned money is being re-distributed by our government? I believe your young misguided, and probably don't work yet.. Your probably a young Barak Obama, or Ron Paul supporter that always gets in trouble with a very narrow understanding of our government or tax base... Or a union worker with no understanding on how private or public sector works in accordance with society.. You probably believe gov't creates jobs.
@pielover13598 Yes because it's unfair. The support of workers rights have been in place within the state of Wisconsin to makes sure our workers had reasonable support. In which case is why many come to Wisconsin for education and if they could jobs. But with the bills he passed my created inequality and unfair motions that put the working class down even more in this struggling economic situation. So really it makes perfect sense. I suggest listen to others point of view and situations.
Scott, Scott, Scotty, goodbye. Scott, Scott, Scotty, don't cry. Watch for the mail. I'll never fail. If you don't get a letter, it's because you're in jail.
GOVERNMENT UNIONS ARE SELFCENTERED TAXPAYER RIPOFFS,they'd like to see WISCONSIN FOLLOW THE SAME COURSE AS the Greeks, Bankrupt! Democrats in Wisconsin run from their jobs when things get tough, not to mention GEORGE SOROS who funds socialist democratic faulty process. Scott Walker is doing the right stuff!
My substitute teacher today looked like him today, and we all thought it was scott walker, and we all screamed and someone threw a pencil at him. We will get in trouble tomorrow. rofl
Thanks to liberal policy the world economy is crashing. We must do two things to stop the meltdown NOW!!! Firstly, we need to raise all payroll taxes 10% for one year. We also need to stop (right now) wasteful handout programs like medicare, social security, unemployment,, etc. and lower the minimum wage to $2/hr so we can compete with China. I will work with Scott Walker, Paul Ryan and my other republican colleagues and take immediate action on these proposals. God bless the GOP!
@GOPkicksbutt You are a retard!!!!!Name the last Republican President to preside over a balanced budget.You can't can you!!!!!!!!!Republicans kiss the ass of the rich like Koch and pee on the middle class.Sheep like you just repeat what Rush tells you to say.You want to compete with the Chinese.There people live like slaves with no rights or decent standard of living!!!!BTW-Jebus never existed so don't think he is coming back soon!People like you make me sick!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
sounds to me that Mr. Walker is a motivated individual that has the people of WI in mind & hes not going to take any BS from Dems & the stupid game they were playing. This imposter kept trying to bait him but all he got was a strategy. As far as being buds with a major Company supporting a public official.not new people..Gov Doyle b 4 Walker had a list a mile long of pro union pro Dem companies that financed his entire political career. & don't forget Mr Obama & GE Johnson & Johnson, Comcast...
Who needs rights? After all it's only the managers and C-Suite execs that make the world go round. Hate "union thugs" and what organized labor has done for U.S.? You might do yourself a favor and read "The Jungle" by Upton Sinclair. Going back to forcing employees to do anything at the whim over their overseer without any kind of protections is not a very modern way of thinking.
Signed- UNIONS (ie. the people that brought you (even the private sector) the WEEKEND and the 40 HOUR WORK WEEK. )
The kids filed back into class Monday morning. They were very excited. Their weekend assignment was to sell something, then give a talk on productive salesmanship.
Little Sally led off: "I sold girl scout cookies and I made $30," she said proudly, "My sales approach was to appeal to the customer's civil spirit and I credit that approach for my obvious success." "Very good," said the teacher.
Little Mary was next: "I sold magazines," she said, "I made $45 and I explained to everyone that magazines would keep them up on current events." "Very good, Mary" said the teacher
Eventually, it was Little Johnny's turn. The teacher held her breath. Little Johnny walked to the front of the classroom and dumped a box full of cash on the teacher's desk. "$2,467," he said. "$2,467!" cried the teacher, "What in the world were you selling?"
"Toothbrushes," said Little Johnny.
"Toothbrushes!" echoed the teacher, "How could you possibly sell enough tooth brushes to make that much money?"
"I found the busiest corner in town," said Little Johnny. "I set up a Dip & Chip stand and gave everybody who walked by a free sample. " They all said the same thing, "Hey, this tastes like dog crap!" Then I would say, "It is dog crap. Wanna buy a toothbrush?" "I used the Obama approach of giving you something shitty for free, and then making you pay to get the taste out of your mouth.
You dumb tards. I live in this State and the cost of living has doubled in 5 yrs. The used donated clothes even. This state is no place to be if you don't have a job, or hopes of getting one. This state is the worst imaginable place in the world. The police can harass and terrorize, beat, kill people. It's a police state and they are beating and killing us- Hell ya- cut their wages. Only democrats hold union jobs here- illuminatti connections..or death for us republicans here. I'm leaving soon.
"Researcher Ron Polland [PhD], known for his forensic investigation of Barack Obama's short-form birth certificate, now has constructed from scratch a duplicate of the document released by the White House in April, seeking to validate his contention that it was created by a forger."
Oh and Insane Hussein Osamba is using American Tax Dollars to send his Book of Lies to all the World Leaders!!!!!! More Misuse of Tax Dollars!!!!!
Obama: Gone! Borders: Closed! Language: English only Culture: Constitution, and the Bill of Rights! Drug Free: Mandatory Drug Screening before Welfare! NO freebies to: Non-Citizens! Budget: Balanced with Debt reduction plan!
@barrbieG Lets play this tape out to the end... Elections: Bought Middle Class: Screwed Ultra Wealthy Tax Cut: Millions of Dollars Borrowed State: In Debt Teachers: Blamed Firemen: Blamed Police Officers: Blamed Honest Working People: Blamed Voters: Conned Poor kids: Screwed Single Moms: Screwed School Kids: Left Behind Corporations: Pay NO taxes Jobs: What Jobs? This is what happens when idiots basically elect their crazy asshole Republican Neighbor into positions of authority.
@RatedRepublican Yeah, why do they keep pickin on a guy who promised to bring jobs to the state, than pushed through a massive tax cut to the ultra wealthy, rammed through an anti-representation bill, pushed the state into a deficit and then blamed it on the hard working middle and working class.
Those big bad meanie Democrats! Poor baby Walker, leave him alone and let him be the corporate stooge that the Koch brothers pay him to be.
What a hero Scott Walker is. People in Wisconsin should realize what a great guy they've got. Public sector unions are ALWAYS a fraud against the taxpayers. It is a good thing we have at least some wealthy individuals like the Koch brothers willing to be generously give their money in support of good policy, since about 18 of the 20 top political donors nationwide (see open secrets) are - you got it - public sector unions engaged in cronyism against the taxpayers.
zoe12757 2 days ago
thank you WISCONSIN!
hitchains 6 days ago
Walker is a lying asshole spewing out yesterday’s shit. I hope Wisconsin has the sense to vote this walking skid-mark out of office.
vdarte 1 week ago 4
fuck Scott Walker
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TextToMovies1 1 week ago
Now Walker is taking money meant to help people with their mortgages and applying it towards filling the state budget deficit that he created. What a piece of shit!
vdarte 2 weeks ago 2
I love this call. So much. Thank you.
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Love it. That shit stain Christian Republican hates everything our country stands for. Shitting Koch Brothers enemy of our country.
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This video insults the good name of whores. Walker is a cheap little liar who THINKS he is destined for bigger things, but all he is destined for is the bottom of the garbage heap.
vdarte 3 weeks ago 2
WALKER: This is what happens when Democrats stay home on Election Day. A 2.59 GPA college drop out and a Koch Brother's corporately bought lackey Republican Governor gets elected!
barbtube01 1 month ago
@barbtube01 Yeah what is even more laughable is walker is ahead in the polls. Half the american are nothing but a bunch of fucking idiots! Amazing how the right has managed to get half the country to actually think they're part of the GOP frat club. God help us!
scottsway 1 month ago 3
@scottsway Sad but so true! There's a good video on YouTube you may want to watch it's called "Letters Expose Agenda Of Billionaire Koch Brothers" It exposes how the right wing is trying to influence education.......scary video.
barbtube01 1 month ago
@scottsway
Ouch. It hurts to know that the Marxist propaganda isn't working on Wisconsinites, doesn't it? The only idiots are those who support these public sector unions robbing them blind, and fighting people like Walker who are finally standing up to them.
s9z9s 2 weeks ago
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scottsway 2 weeks ago
@s9z9s I'm guess you're not some Wall Street hedge fund manager... so why would you vote against your own personal interests? Because you're stupid and fall for the flag waving, "freedom" promises spewed by the ultra rich's puppets (FOX news, Beck, O'Reilly, Palin, etc...) hard to believe they're are people like you out there. Do the world a favor asshole and jump off the nearest bridge!
scottsway 2 weeks ago
@scottsway
I understand that because statists such as yourself get all of your information and viewpoints fed to you by talking heads on cable news, you assume the same to be true of anyone who follows politics. That's why because Fox is the one network that's right of center, you assume that anyone you encounter who is right of center must watch Fox News. Everybody else must be a media-satured fluoride baby, just like you, right?
s9z9s 2 weeks ago
@s9z9s keep dreaming you silly little sociopath piece of shit! It must really suck being you - devoid of empathy or compassion of others. Just end your miserable pathetic existence - no one will miss a pile garbage like you! That bitch of a mother who brought you into the world needs to be slapped!
scottsway 1 week ago
@scottsway
What's compassionate about wanting to steal other people's money? You're completely oblivious to the fact that it's your own ideology which represents greed, bigotry, and enmity. You divide people by race and income level, and play them off against each other to further your political ends. Jealousy and hatred, not empathy, is what drives you.
s9z9s 1 week ago
@s9z9s Others peoples money moron? Really so the elite dont use our road, bridges, hospitals, OUR EDUCATED workforce, etc.. I cam tell you follow a little wimp like walker and his 2.3 GPA... Amazing the dumbing down of america continues. Go fuck yourself you delusional freak!
scottsway 1 week ago
@scottsway
I started reading this reply of yours, and I was wondering to myself, "Wow, he actually might not make any personal attacks this time." You disappoint me. No one's arguing about taxpayer-funded roads; we're arguing about overpaid public sector workers and their abusive relationship with the taxpayer. Please justify to me public school teachers being paid over 61% more per hour than private school teachers.
s9z9s 1 week ago
@s9z9s and makes those roads and maintains them? Who taught those guys so they could make roads?
Dont' public employees also pay taxes?
I don't think this is about public employees being "over paid". It seems more about crushing the few strong unions left by pushing a crab mentality, that since private workers are being screwed, public workers should be too. so the people being screwed help the people screwing them.
booley 1 week ago
@booley
The reason that there aren't many unions left is that the unions in the private sector got too greedy and were apart of what sent all these manufacturing jobs overseas. The overpaid public sector union worker doesn't worry about their job going overseas, or those that are employing them going bankrupt resulting in them being jobless. They just buy out politicians and push them to keep raising taxes and running deficits.
s9z9s 1 week ago
@s9z9s Greedy? Yopu mean like ...a decent wage, health benefits, the right to use the rbathroom, no forced abortions, safe working conditions so if the building catches fire you can leave.
Because lets be clear. When we talk about how jobs over seas cost less, that's why.
So your proposal is if only the US had more slave like conditions, we would see the jobs come back. Uh huh.
booley 1 week ago
@s9z9s MEANWHILE, Union jobs act as what economists call an externality.
In other words, when there are unions then workers over all benefit even when they are nto part of a union themselves.
Weaken unions and workers over all begin to lose out.
For instance, how the ironically named right to work states have lower wages then those that aren't.
booley 1 week ago
@booley
Nobody's attacking private sector unions' right to bargain. It's the public sector unions, being on the taxpayers' dime, that is an entirely different discussion. Even Franklin Roosevelt, as horrible as he was, knew that. You're trying to say public sector unions benefit all workers, but why then are public school teachers paid over 60% more than private school teachers? It sure seems like they're only benefiting themselves; doesn't it?
s9z9s 1 week ago
@s9z9s there have already been a numbe rof attacks on private sector unions startignh with taft hartly.
As I said this has NOTHING to do with saving the tax payer money.
It has to do with attacking what is currently among the strongest unions.
Meanwhile the median public school teacher salary is $51,237. In other words much less the norm for the average Wisconsin household. pretty shitty considering teachers are college educated. Cons like the mahatten institiute played a numbers game.
booley 1 week ago
@booley
Do you have any proof for this allegation that the Manhattan Institute is playing with numbers? And if all workers are being benefited, why are public sector workers still paid so much more?
s9z9s 1 week ago
@s9z9s
1. One can look at the employment numbers from non biased sources rather then just taking a report from a con think tank at fact value.
2. I have already shown that public sector workers are not necessarily "paid so much more".
3. When public employees do enjoy a decent wage & benefits, it doesn't follow that means they are getting more then they earned. Esp when private workers are so often screwed over by thier employers.
Like I said, Walker is using crab mentality.
booley 1 week ago
@booley
You have not shown that public workers aren't paid more. All you did was accuse the Manhattan Institute of playing with numbers without any proof. You don't get to redefine reality to your liking. You can't just say that, because it's a think tank you clearly don't like, that they're making up things. The definition of "lie" isn't "an analysis which comes to a conclusion I don't like". Also, income isn't distributed; it's earned.
s9z9s 1 week ago
@s9z9s a few more reasons why your argument is flawed.
First, per capita doesn't indicate income distribution. so even if teachers were making far more then average household, a per capita tally would actually HIDE that.
Also, it doesnt' take into account that unlike in many G7 countries, teachers have to pay into their benefits to get them. Or that teaching is a specialized skill so for a proper comparison, we have to look at teachers salaries vs the median for a college educated workers.
booley 1 week ago
@s9z9s and of course all of this side steps the real question...is this worth it?
Obviously a worker who is required ot have a BS if not a masters is expected to have at least some kind of decent salary, otherwise no one would take the job. We don't question if doctors should get paid a decent amount.
& then we have the hypocrisy as US CEOs get 100 of times more and yet they have a far more corrosive affect on the economy then teachers. so where's the outrage from Walker on that?
booley 1 week ago
@booley
We're not comparing teachers or other public sector workers with households; we're comparing them with their equivalents in the private sector. And CEOs are not being paid on the taxpayer's dime, so it's none of Walker's or your business.
s9z9s 1 week ago
@s9z9s Again which at best leads to a crab mentality and at worst is misleading. Not only becuase the NAIS (national assoc of independent schools) doesn't release teacher salary info. So it's difficult to even get current data. But so far what we do know is that private schools use money to attract teachers just like public schools do. Indeed, Wisonsin. (wisconsin ranks 8th in best educated states)
booley 1 week ago
@booley this guy is an idiot if he is to fall for a trick like this
httm241 1 week ago
@httm241 yeah but he's hardly alone.
Never underestimate the power of stupid people in large groups.
booley 1 week ago
@booley i fear the day when angry red necks storm every major city in the country
httm241 1 week ago
@httm241 believe it or not, much of our progressive history has come from "red necks"
sadly too many have been led to believe that thier problems is because some minority or union is getting "too much" and so they end up helping the very people who are screwing them over.
I know a lot of rich republicans that fear the day when rednecks realize they have more in common with a blue collar union worker or a poor black mother then they do with someone like the Kochs.
booley 1 week ago
@booley
Are you suggesting those rednecks have more in common with the likes of Bill Gates or George Soros?
s9z9s 5 days ago
@s9z9s Since you havent' bothered to read what i wrote before, I can see how you would be confused by my statement.
And since you arent' going to read what I wrote now, I am not sure I should expend more energy pretending you someday will.
I mean I repeat how teacher salary is low for a comparible college educated profesional. Or how that one study is contradicted by others you could google. Or if teachers are so over paid then why do so many leave citing lack of pay?
But you don't care.
booley 2 days ago
@httm241 Totally. And that's who is running the state.
Dieterdocks608 2 days ago
@booley
You still haven't given me any reason to believe that the Manhattan Institute was fixing the numbers. Once again, what would the problem be if we were to tie public school teacher wages to private school teacher wages?
s9z9s 5 days ago
@s9z9s Since you havent' bothered to read what i wrote before, I can see how you would be confused by my statement.
And since you arent' going to read what I wrote now, I am not sure I should expend more energy pretending you someday will.
I mean I repeat how teacher salary is low for a comparible college educated profesional. Or how that one study is contradicted by others you could google. Or if teachers are so over paid then why do so many leave citing lack of pay?
But you don't care.
booley 2 days ago
@s9z9s Oh but ok , one more time.
In regards to the manhatten institute the fact is it is a conservative think tank.
It's function is to take a conservative position, any conservative position, and convince people it's true. whether it is or not.
But since that doesnt' bother you, ok, the teachers union have similar studies saying teachers aren't paid enough for the work they do.
So why do the ones reinforcing YOUR prejudices get more validity?
booley 2 days ago
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@s9z9s "And CEOs are not being paid on the taxpayer's dime,"
with subsidies and tax loop holes and bail outs, yeah many of them are. They routinely use tax payer money and give far less back then teachers.
booley 1 week ago
@booley
As for workers in right-to-work states being paid less, do these studies factor in the amount of union dues the workers have to pay into the equation?
s9z9s 1 week ago
@s9z9s apparently you didnt' get what an externality is.
the higher wages includes people who arent' in unions.
Havign strong unions helps workers, even the ones who arent' in unions themselves.
so union dues is not relevant.
booley 1 week ago
@booley
Of course the union dues are relevant; if what workers have to pay in dues were factored in, we could find no net loss of income in right-to-work states. So I'm not going to believe this number you're giving me unless it takes that into account. Also, if you're going to start talking about household income, you're clearly not serious. Per capita income is what matters.
s9z9s 1 week ago
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@s9z9s No because as I said, the higher pay rates and other benefits affect even those NOT in union jobs.
& measuring median household is relevant as it shows teachers Are NOT getting 60% more then other workers. that is specifically relevant to your claim.
You dont even understand what per capita means, do you?
And lets be honest, you arent' going to believe me even if Jesus christ came down and told you personally.
booley 1 week ago
@booley Unions are in business for themselves and should not be allowed to leach taxpayer dollars. They 1) distort the market and hurt more people than they help in the end, 2) add a layer of unnecessary bureaucracy, 3) create and fan into flames hostility between employers and employees - a negative environment that is unproductive and unpleasant for all.
Unions may sometimes increase wages, but they do so against the market - and also, in the case of public sector, against the taxpayer.
zoe12757 2 days ago
@booley Unions are in business for themselves and should not be allowed to leach taxpayer dollars. They 1) distort the market and hurt more people than they help in the end, 2) add a layer of unnecessary bureaucracy, 3) create and fan into flames hostility between employers and employees - a negative environment that is unproductive and unpleasant for all.
Unions may sometimes increase wages, but they do so against the market - and also, in the case of public sector, against the taxpayer.
zoe12757 2 days ago
@zoe12757 Sigh..
Well unfortunatly there is sno rational response since your list is pretty mush you stating your opinion as fact.
But the fact is before unions the market you do worship had children working in factories, had people working for pennies, had company towns, had people burned alive when they couldn't get out of the factory.
And in countries without unions.. this still happens.
There's a reason why unions exist in free countries and are outlawed in dictatorships.
booley 2 days ago
@booley 1) it is not opinion that unions distort the market, nor that 2) they work to maintain an adversarial relationship between employers and employees.
I can see how someone may think the layer of bureaucracy is necessary, so I concede that as an opinion.
Gov't jobs don't need to be unionized, period. It's axiomatic the world over that govt jobs are among the most secure & pay better - before unions even enter the picture.
I did not say outlaw unions. I said outlaw public sector unions.
zoe12757 2 days ago
@zoe12757 hmm, well unions do have an adversarial relationship with employers ina way. In the same way that any two groups are adversaries in makign sure they arent' getting screwed over by the other. Why is that bad?
& they do change what the market can do. In the same way brakes change what a car may do. From the examples i listed before,the market needs something to keep it in line.
& that includes gov employers who right now are are screwing over their workers the same as private ones.
booley 2 days ago
@booley I was once approached on the street by a hotel worker who wanted me to sign a petition relating to unionization because the hotel was not paying a fair wage. I looked around and there were perhaps a dozen other hotels in sight. I said, "If they are not treating you appropriately, go work somewhere else." Sometimes we forget that workers are also customers and can vote with their feet. This is legitimate & sufficient pressure on employers who need to recruit and maintain good workers.
zoe12757 2 days ago
@zoe12757 Ahh just liek peopel who tell the homeless to "get a job"
I am sure you felt quite clever. But lets think about that.
What makes you think other hotels aren't just as bad? What makes you assume these hotels, even if they aren't, can and would hire ALL their workers being exploited by other hotels that are?
Clearly in countries w/o unions, corps are more then capable of finding people desperate enough to hire. Sometimes they just lie to do it.
booley 2 days ago
@booley If other hotels were not in fact paying higher wages, then the argument of the worker that the hotel was not paying them a fair wage was false.
When a job market is tight, yes, someone may choose to stay in a position that they feel to be less than ideal. Or they may choose to change industries. Or to be creative and start a home business. Or take a second job. Or find creative ways to reduce their household expenses so they can save enough money to move elsewhere.
zoe12757 2 days ago
@zoe12757 "If other hotels were not in fact paying higher wages, then the argument of the worker that the hotel was not paying them a fair wage was false."
How? Did you even bother to ask what this person considered a fair wage?
IF you are being exploited, it doesnt' make it right just because everyone else is doing it too.
Your argument is just chock full of fallacies
booley 2 days ago
@booley A fair wage is what is agreed to by both parties, period. No one forces an employer to hire, and no one forces an employee to work. I could consider that I should be paid $200 an hour for teaching - that would be "fair" - but it is divorced from reality. Fairness is the fulfillment of contracts freely entered into.
zoe12757 2 days ago
@zoe12757 so if a mugger holds a gun to your head, all of your possessions are a fair trade for him leaving you alone?
Ok too extreme?
So if you were dying of thirst and I had water, me asking for your left arm would be "fair??
Too out there?
So if you lived in a company town where there was no other work & leaving would leave you destitute, then 10 cents a day would be fair because that's the only pay I would offer and you had no choice but to agree?
Too Historical?
booley 2 days ago
@booley First example is illegal; legally binding contracts require free agency. Second: Yes, assuming the person owned the water, and did not force the other to accept the deal - - - but I can't imagine a human being ever asking such a thing of another. Can you? Third: Yes, a person seeking to hire another should be able to offer whatever wage they want or feel that they can afford to offer. That is precisely what I am saying. Remember, we are ALL employers and employees at various times.
zoe12757 2 days ago
@zoe12757 "First example is illegal; "
Onl;y if youcan prove it iona court of law. In any case, the analogy seems to have escaped you which is why I provided others.
But you still didn't get it.
IF you are dying of thirst then ANY deal I make with you is "fair" by your standards. And Yeah humans do that sort of thing all the time. Doesnt' matter if I would do it. Someone would and many have.
Which is where the problem with your point lies..
cont'd
booley 1 day ago
@zoe12757 Even if you view yourself as an "employer" you do nto have parity with billionaires like the Koches who can buy and sell you a million times over with their spare change.
Unions have to collect dues from members to lobby politicians.
The Kochs can just write a check.
And that's only the beginning of how the deck is stacked in their favor.
booley 1 day ago
@booley Do you not think anyone in this country has the right to (lawfully) make use of what they have earned or been given? The beauty of America is that rich people become poor all the time, and vice versa. With equal protection under the law, anyone can achieve great wealth, and if they choose to do so, legally and honestly, God bless them. I prefer to live in a place where that is a possibility for everyone, rather than a place where corruption is the only way to reach the top.
zoe12757 1 day ago
@zoe12757 "Do you not think anyone in this country has the right to (lawfully) make use of what they have earned or been given?"
Don't you?
It would seem not since you are perfectly ok with the government stopping workers from organizing to be treated fairly for the work they do.
Dont' even bother denying it. The best you can do with more and more empty platitudes that don't match up with reality.
booley 1 day ago
@zoe12757 But an even betetr example would be Massey energy's Blankmanship.
There are no other jobs in these areas that aren't; tied to the coal mining. The company pollutes but the residents are too poor to move. Blankmanship has literally bought Judges. They have a horrendous safety record but as I said, it's these dangerous jobs or nothing.
And the best you can come up with some empty platitude about how we are all "employers" at one time or another.
booley 1 day ago
@booley I am arguing for a straightforward and fair relationship between people with equal standing before the law. Corruption by public sector union's use of taxpayer dollars against them is wrong and should be illegal, I argue. Corruption by buying judges is wrong and IS illegal. Both are cronyism and I am against the latter just as much as (or even more than) I am against the former.
zoe12757 1 day ago
@zoe12757 No you are not You are arguing for a dog eat dog system where if you dont' already have money and power, you shouldnt organize with anyone else to help you protect your own interests under the guise of fairness
And you arent afraid to misrepresent and straw man to make your case.
Oh and funny story... Blankmenship bought judges fair and square. he just wrote a check to pay to have any judges who ruled against him lose their elections.
Money is power. Not hard to comprhend for most.
booley 1 day ago
@booley Regarding the judge thing, I am open to hear your proposed solution. I favor justice and don't disagree that the system should permit judges be impartial at all times.
However, I refuse to begrudge any law abiding citizen the property they lawfully own. I expect other people to respect what fruits of my labor I have gained, and I will give others the same courtesy.
Dog eat dog, OK, but that fails to acknowledge the actual decency of most people - even rich ones.
zoe12757 1 day ago
@zoe12757 "I am open to hear your proposed solution."
Really? I thought the market was going to take care of that sort of thing.
That's what bothers me about people with your philosophy.
You create this huge mess when your ideas are made into policy. And then when anyone mentions this mess, your response is "how are YOU going to clean it up"
Sure I could come up w/ideas (like not electing judges) but you refuse to even see what the problem is so you're just going to keep "refusing to accept".
booley 1 day ago
@zoe12757 I mean reaqlly, is that your solution... get rid of any safeguards and thinsg that make the playign field level and hope that somehow, no one ever takes advantage of that?
I mean, Blankenship did. the kochs are. The owners of the sweat shop in bangledesh where workers burned to death because they had been locked inside did.
At some point what you believe has to match up to reality. Otherwise what good is it?
booley 1 day ago
@booley I am not talking about Bangladesh. I am talking about the U.S.
The playing field is level when contracts are upheld people have equal recourse to the law. People who work hard, think creatively, and manage their affairs wisely can generally get ahead in such an environment. Some will succeed more than others, because some will be more diligent, or talented, or fortunate regarding unforeseen tragedy, etc. But at least the possibility for great success exists for all decent people.
zoe12757 1 day ago
@zoe12757 It has been nice talking with you - really. And I am sure there is much more to say on this. I am going to shift away from the conversation, though, since I have some other stuff to do today. Already spent way more time than I expected in the past day on this - as I am sure have you. I wish you well & may talk more later.
zoe12757 1 day ago
@zoe12757 Oh it's been nice talking to you too. and I also have things I need to get done.
booley 1 day ago
@zoe12757 "I am not talking about Bangladesh"
But you are talkign abotu a world w/o unions & the effect they have on corps and the free market.
Well there's a real world example right there.
A real life example beats a hypothetical wish any day.
& again you make a number of assumptions that dont' bear out.
For instance, you assume that when entering INTO a contract, both parties are on equal footing.
booley 1 day ago
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@zoe12757 "I am not talking about Bangladesh"
But you are talkign abotu a world w/o unions & the effect they have on corps and the free market.
Well there's a real world example right there.
A real life example beats a hypothetical wish any day.
& again you make a number of assumptions that dont' bear out.
For instance, you assume that when entering INTO a contract, both parties are on equal footing.
booley 1 day ago
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@booley (oops - meant to reply this to you, not to myself:) It has been nice talking with you - really. And I am sure there is much more to say on this. I am going to shift away from the conversation, though, since I have some other stuff to do today. Already spent way more time than I expected in the past day on this - as I am sure have you. I wish you well & may talk more later.
zoe12757 1 day ago
@zoe12757 here let me just check my dictionary to see what it says fairness means...
Fair:n accordance with the rules or standards; legitimate : the group has achieved fair and equal representation for all its members.
• just or appropriate in the in the circumstances"
See the problem with your argument (well one of them anyway) is you start off by assuming that employer and employee are on equal terms.
booley 2 days ago
@zoe12757 oh sorry I made an error. I used the NOUN fair when really the adverb is much more appropriate..
"without cheating or trying to achieve unjust advantage "
booley 2 days ago
@zoe12757 And of course in the case of gov workers. there ARE no other employers.
IF a cop works unreasonable working conditions, he will have to move. Which then requires al these other factors to come into play (like can he afford to)
But these factors effect private sector workers too. THose worker sin china committing suicide would undoubtidly LOVE to move to a better job in the US where there are worker protections. But there are things that keep him from doing that.
booley 2 days ago
@zoe12757 ".... govt jobs are among the most secure & pay better - before unions even enter the picture."
Citation needed.
According to labor stats, about 50% of people who enter the teaching field leave. IF it's so much better in pay and working conditions, then why would that be?
"I said outlaw public sector unions."
So you would outlaw people's right to associate and protect thier interests because which jobs they have? And why stop there? China doesn't differentiate.
booley 2 days ago
@booley As I said, public sector unions are a fraud against the taxpayers. What I mean is: Union dues are extracted from all workers involuntarily. These dues are tax dollars, used for 1) Paying the union bureaucracy, 2) increasing wages and benefits in ways not warranted by the market (i.e. greater than what would ordinarily be required to retain good employees, e.g. taxpayers are overcharged for services rendered), and 3) Supporting politicians who keep the fraud going. This is cronyism.
zoe12757 2 days ago
@zoe12757 Oh I see what you did there.
Since public workers pay union dues and since their checks are paid from tax revenues.. somehow YOU are the one paying.
The same way if I buy a hot dog and then the vender uses that money to buy from Wal-mart, I am actually giving money to walmart.
Interesting philosophy.
& funny you should mention politicians since you clearly didnt' consider that Billionaires that want to exploit people have a lot more influence with them.
It's called money.
booley 2 days ago
@booley Axiomatic - no citation needed. Plus, in America we don't hold people in bondage to a gov't job or to any other job. Employees are free to go elsewhere if they're treated poorly. This forces better treatment b/c employers (including gov't) can't function w/out employees. They need to treat them well enough to keep them!
Many teachers do move on to other things, it is true. I am a teacher myself and am all in favor of teachers making more money. But not by the mechanism of unions.
zoe12757 2 days ago
@zoe12757 "Axiomatic - no citation needed."
You should really look a great video by a guy named Theramintrees about the Dunning Kruger effect.
It goes into why people confuse their prejudices for facts to the point where they are unable to self correct when they are wrong. (Because they are incapable of seeing the flaws obvious to others)
For instance, you made a statement meant to be taken factually. No factual statement is beyond citation.
booley 2 days ago
@booley OK - that is fine. Gov't jobs almost always paying better than private sector (I said almost always) I think is a pretty established fact. I've read a lot over the years but don't have time this a.m. to track down an article so I'll concede the point. But even if not, it doesn't invalidate my argument. Gov't employees are free just like anyone to lobby their reps or to vote w/ their feet and go make a ton of money elsewhere if they want.
Thanks for conversing on this, by the way.
zoe12757 2 days ago
@zoe12757 You said that gov jobs pay better even WITHOUT Unions. That the good working conditions and pay you assume are always part of a public sector job is intrinsic to that job being public sector.
So the conclusion is public sector workers don't need the strong unions that they have.
But where you really fail is you assume that the strong unions aren't WHY many public sector jobs have good pay?
There's also some crab mentalityy/envy politics going on there but that's another subject.
booley 2 days ago
@booley I am not familiar with the term crab - what does that mean? (sounds ad hominem but I really don't know so will wait to hear)
zoe12757 2 days ago
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@zoe12757 crab mentality.
Not hard to google.
Look up ad hominem while you're at it. Using my best Inigo Montoya voice "I do not think that word means what you think it means"
booley 2 days ago
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@s9z9s What fucking putz you are - are you a just a born coward or do you work hard at it? I doubt a fuckstick such as yourself even knows what Marxism is - do you, you fucking bozo? Scott Walker is an ass kissing suck up and a perfect corporate pawn! You Tools live in such a bubble world, devoid of reality & facts!
scottsway 2 weeks ago
hope wis. people can vote him out. all people are going to some kind off union or we'll all become mininum wage slaves. when will people wake up? its not unions costing to much, its the oil campanys dictating our cost of living. Everytime it goes up, everyone needs a raise not just union people EVERYONE. We have to come up to the new level so we can pay our way. But until china mexico and all those other low payed people rise up and fight, all we'll have is constrution and all that goes with it
superkunk2 1 month ago
@superkunk2
Everyone needs a raise? Where's that money going to come from? And why should a worker in the public sector be paid more than their equivalent in the private sector?
s9z9s 2 weeks ago
I Did Not write this
superkunk2 2 weeks ago
Are video responses not allowed for this video? Figures, cause I have a video from a news broadcast here in Madison Wi in my "favorites" that exposes the editing used in this recording to make you...........
....Well, maybe you should just watch the news report buried by the Walker haters....again I have the video in my "favorites" on my channel........I dare you haters to watch, and listen very carefully!
Think for yourself people....its time to wake up and not be a sheeple any longer
WisconsinEric 1 month ago
@WisconsinEric Selective editing? Like James O'Keefe did to Acorn? I suppose that selective editing is all right with you when one of Breitbart's scumbags does it? The thing speaks for itself. Walker is a total tool and the Koch's buttboy.
mannacler 1 month ago 2
@mannacler This is the edited audio....and you said "the thing speaks for itself"
Scott Walker a tool? Sure, so are all politicians, Republicians and Democrats...but you sheeple can not stop hating long enough to see you being maninipluated and used here...
I was born, raised, and public schooled here in Liberal Madison, and I am a former Liberal myself, and I even still get along with Liberals here in Madison.
But lateIy I have a hard time understanding all the Hatred in many Liberals
WisconsinEric 1 month ago
@WisconsinEric Your having a hard time understand the dislike of a Governor who has lied a almost every turn. About his plans, what he would accomplish, at every turn he has been dishonest. I would wonder how you can still support him, or are you going to tell me he ran on the policy of busting unions and stripping 800m from schools and then giving those savings over to his political backers?
torg1 1 month ago 5
@torg1
You're refusing to make the distinction between private and public sector unions. No one's attacking private sector unions.
s9z9s 2 weeks ago
@WisconsinEric He ran on reducing government. (Has not done this years budget is larger then last years). Balancing budget ( nope though he did successfully get ride of a surplus he took over from Gov Doyle). I will grant one thing he did not lie about was the train. Too bad that backing out of a well thought out infrastructure project for his Highway backers is going to cost us 80 million. So even the one thing he did not lie about was and idiotic move.
torg1 1 month ago
What a maroon. This was one of the great political pranks of all time. After this Walker should be forever finished as politician. The guy posing as Koch was totally convincing.
mannacler 2 months ago
These stupid smear videos will not bring down Scott. He will win the recall, create more jobs, and strip the filthy unions of every last luxury.
yandirtty21 2 months ago
@yandirtty21 SMEAR VIDEO? you are a Koch whore. how STUPID are you. this was a call walker fell for hook, line and sinker. and yes I hail from Portage Wisconsin. no outside influence here. Try as much as you may, you cannot deny that Scotty thought this was real. Treated as real, and responded as such. you are a moron
555byron 2 months ago 7
@555byron well scott walker is an idiot if he were to fall for such a trick
httm241 2 months ago 2
Really? Does this not prove intent then?? UGH!!!!! But that's okay lets destroy Wisconsin.
Dieterdocks608 2 days ago
First of all the fact that the moron doesn't know who he's talking to is provocative enough. They don't have caller ID in Wisconsin? Secondly unions went to shit through corruption, organized crime AND unions backing politicians who where then beholden to them (just like corporations do) so rather than look to balance that out the American response is to destroy them utterly so new waves of corporate corruption can swoop in and exploit the situation. Amazing.
RevSpyro 2 months ago
@RevSpyro
Another armchair expert who doesn't know the difference between private and public sector unions. Why should a public sector worker be paid more than their equivalent in the private sector?
s9z9s 2 weeks ago
@s9z9s
Their private sector counterpart should be paid more.
myhandsunclean 2 weeks ago
@s9z9s your comment was : Why should a public sector worker be paid more than their equivalent in the private sector? Its real simple you mindless twit - its because the PRIVATE sector wont!
scottsway 2 weeks ago
Walker said nothing provocative, nothing that I wouldn't expect from another conservative, so what's the big deal?
buhdobuhdoo 2 months ago
Politics , do they protect
One another? I did not hear much about helping the people.
boxofpenises 2 months ago 2
Although it's been said before, I'll say it again: RECALL THE KOCHSUCKER!!!
ch1aka2 2 months ago
Scott Walker pwned
gustafsg 2 months ago
This is basically the tipping point for me, this phone call. It basically shows how much of a scum bag this govna' is.
ballrude 2 months ago
Also worth to mention worthless people on the dole too! The neighborhood im in is an outright Ghetto with the clueless voters here looking for more entitlements... Its all Dem controlled... Local level governance here is a disaster! I wish Guiliani and Pataki were back!
the430movie 2 months ago
What does this prove??? Walker told the truth! So what? I wish we had him for governor here in NY... Already Cuomo's talking about raising taxes.. He will argue the city has a surplus, but who wouldn't have a surplus when you rip off 47 million out of state traversers with a $8 toll on all tri state city bridges and tunnels, not to mention the tourism and foreigners.... The tolls are now $12 and taxes are being raised once again to avoid Union layoffs... We pay more for Dem supported Unions!
the430movie 2 months ago
@the430movie May someone save that brain of yours before you kill anymore if it's cells...
MrMuzical17 2 months ago
@MrMuzical17 It looks like that public school education didn't workout for you! 'anymore "IF" it's cells' It's a good thing i have a clue unlike you, who seems to have no clue what municipal unions are doing to this nation! NY had a strike back in 05, and it cost the city dearly! As did the MTA.... Strikes are always being threatened here in NY. There are more than enough rules and regulations in place to protect municipal workers rights. Why do government workers need unions anyways?
the430movie 2 months ago
@the430movie Um sorry but yes they worked out lovely and very adequately for me thank you very much. Also I have nor than enough information regarding workers rights and unions within this country (one of my majors is law fyi) so please don't assume to much. And not there are not more than enough rule protecting workers in this country from inequality. And of course, you are in NY what do you expect when you are in a large concentration of public workers idiot.
MrMuzical17 2 months ago
@MrMuzical17 excuse my typo again nor = more.
MrMuzical17 2 months ago
@MrMuzical17 How old are you? Do you even understand what taxes are and how my hard earned money is being re-distributed by our government? I believe your young misguided, and probably don't work yet.. Your probably a young Barak Obama, or Ron Paul supporter that always gets in trouble with a very narrow understanding of our government or tax base... Or a union worker with no understanding on how private or public sector works in accordance with society.. You probably believe gov't creates jobs.
the430movie 2 months ago
@the430movie Ron Paul will be president someday if he's still alive by then.
"Smoke weed everyday." - Nate Dogg :)
blkgnuz2007 2 months ago
@the430movie shut up, nigger lover
TurboRonin83 1 month ago
8:01 is still messed up though...
pielover13598 2 months ago
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pielover13598 2 months ago
Recall Walker for doing what he said he would do yeah that makes sense.
pielover13598 2 months ago
@pielover13598 Yes because it's unfair. The support of workers rights have been in place within the state of Wisconsin to makes sure our workers had reasonable support. In which case is why many come to Wisconsin for education and if they could jobs. But with the bills he passed my created inequality and unfair motions that put the working class down even more in this struggling economic situation. So really it makes perfect sense. I suggest listen to others point of view and situations.
MrMuzical17 2 months ago
what a great admission this dumbshit just made. takes his marching orders from koch like many
of his facist comrades good at least we know
erhmhamew 2 months ago
Scott, Scott, Scotty, goodbye. Scott, Scott, Scotty, don't cry. Watch for the mail. I'll never fail. If you don't get a letter, it's because you're in jail.
vdarte 2 months ago
GOVERNMENT UNIONS ARE SELFCENTERED TAXPAYER RIPOFFS,they'd like to see WISCONSIN FOLLOW THE SAME COURSE AS the Greeks, Bankrupt! Democrats in Wisconsin run from their jobs when things get tough, not to mention GEORGE SOROS who funds socialist democratic faulty process. Scott Walker is doing the right stuff!
runnermonkey 3 months ago
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Sagittariusssxo 3 months ago
The recall people should hold events where they play this over and over.
IslandArt61 3 months ago
My substitute teacher today looked like him today, and we all thought it was scott walker, and we all screamed and someone threw a pencil at him. We will get in trouble tomorrow. rofl
apppppppppl 3 months ago
SCOTT WALKER IS MY HERO!!!
cudeathvalleysc1 3 months ago
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@GOPlicksass,
well you are another planted toad....irrelevant, will deal with you later.
TrpleAgnt2011 3 months ago
Thanks to liberal policy the world economy is crashing. We must do two things to stop the meltdown NOW!!! Firstly, we need to raise all payroll taxes 10% for one year. We also need to stop (right now) wasteful handout programs like medicare, social security, unemployment,, etc. and lower the minimum wage to $2/hr so we can compete with China. I will work with Scott Walker, Paul Ryan and my other republican colleagues and take immediate action on these proposals. God bless the GOP!
GOPkicksbutt 3 months ago
@GOPkicksbutt You are a retard!!!!!Name the last Republican President to preside over a balanced budget.You can't can you!!!!!!!!!Republicans kiss the ass of the rich like Koch and pee on the middle class.Sheep like you just repeat what Rush tells you to say.You want to compete with the Chinese.There people live like slaves with no rights or decent standard of living!!!!BTW-Jebus never existed so don't think he is coming back soon!People like you make me sick!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
mwboscan 3 months ago
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@mwboscan "Name the last Republican President to preside over a balanced budget."
Wasn't it eisenhower?
booley 1 week ago
Upvotes if you think David Koch should be played by Michael Cain in the made-for-TV movie.
lauren1michael 3 months ago
sounds to me that Mr. Walker is a motivated individual that has the people of WI in mind & hes not going to take any BS from Dems & the stupid game they were playing. This imposter kept trying to bait him but all he got was a strategy. As far as being buds with a major Company supporting a public official.not new people..Gov Doyle b 4 Walker had a list a mile long of pro union pro Dem companies that financed his entire political career. & don't forget Mr Obama & GE Johnson & Johnson, Comcast...
Hagfan789 3 months ago
Walker is a little douche bag. I hope he gets his ass thrown out of office. This conversation shows exactly what he is about. HELLO WISCONSIN!
vdarte 3 months ago
Who needs rights? After all it's only the managers and C-Suite execs that make the world go round. Hate "union thugs" and what organized labor has done for U.S.? You might do yourself a favor and read "The Jungle" by Upton Sinclair. Going back to forcing employees to do anything at the whim over their overseer without any kind of protections is not a very modern way of thinking.
Signed- UNIONS (ie. the people that brought you (even the private sector) the WEEKEND and the 40 HOUR WORK WEEK. )
OdysseyPrime 3 months ago 2
This makes me want to puke. Can't watch it.
PissedOffChurchLady 4 months ago
@PissedOffChurchLady And yet you visited the vid page?
LeGrugkbdst 3 months ago
The kids filed back into class Monday morning. They were very excited. Their weekend assignment was to sell something, then give a talk on productive salesmanship.
barrbieG 4 months ago
Little Sally led off: "I sold girl scout cookies and I made $30," she said proudly, "My sales approach was to appeal to the customer's civil spirit and I credit that approach for my obvious success." "Very good," said the teacher.
Little Mary was next: "I sold magazines," she said, "I made $45 and I explained to everyone that magazines would keep them up on current events." "Very good, Mary" said the teacher
barrbieG 4 months ago
Eventually, it was Little Johnny's turn. The teacher held her breath. Little Johnny walked to the front of the classroom and dumped a box full of cash on the teacher's desk. "$2,467," he said. "$2,467!" cried the teacher, "What in the world were you selling?"
"Toothbrushes," said Little Johnny.
"Toothbrushes!" echoed the teacher, "How could you possibly sell enough tooth brushes to make that much money?"
barrbieG 4 months ago
"I found the busiest corner in town," said Little Johnny. "I set up a Dip & Chip stand and gave everybody who walked by a free sample. " They all said the same thing, "Hey, this tastes like dog crap!" Then I would say, "It is dog crap. Wanna buy a toothbrush?" "I used the Obama approach of giving you something shitty for free, and then making you pay to get the taste out of your mouth.
barrbieG 4 months ago
You dumb tards. I live in this State and the cost of living has doubled in 5 yrs. The used donated clothes even. This state is no place to be if you don't have a job, or hopes of getting one. This state is the worst imaginable place in the world. The police can harass and terrorize, beat, kill people. It's a police state and they are beating and killing us- Hell ya- cut their wages. Only democrats hold union jobs here- illuminatti connections..or death for us republicans here. I'm leaving soon.
drumheadcircle 4 months ago
This guy Walker sounds like a brown nose that got a little to far in and got his face dirty.
amazondoobie 4 months ago
@floridatom1964
You and Insane Hussein Osamba will both go to Hell!!!!!
Yep Insane Hussein Osamba is spending Americans Tax Dollars to send his book of Lies(The Marxist Dreams of my Father)to all the World Leaders!
Hell I bet most of them will use that Trash to wipe their Dirty Asses!!!!!
Osambasucks2 4 months ago
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Osambasucks2 4 months ago
@floridatom1964
You forgot Comrade Osamba!!!!!!
"Researcher Ron Polland [PhD], known for his forensic investigation of Barack Obama's short-form birth certificate, now has constructed from scratch a duplicate of the document released by the White House in April, seeking to validate his contention that it was created by a forger."
Oh and Insane Hussein Osamba is using American Tax Dollars to send his Book of Lies to all the World Leaders!!!!!! More Misuse of Tax Dollars!!!!!
Osambasucks2 4 months ago
Walker exposes himself as a complete and total fool.
fullerjohn1119 4 months ago
barrbieG 4 months ago
815Sox 4 months ago
@815Sox
No this is what happens when all you Blind Libtards elect a Lying Marxist Muslim Piece of Shit!
Yep in today's Local Libtard News, Insane Hussein Osamba wants American Veterans to PAY for our Medical Treatment!
But Osamba made Medical Treatment FREE for all the Illegal Spic Scum!!!!!
Just more Stupid Bullshit from Insane Hussein Osamba!
Osambasucks2 4 months ago
Teenagers:
Tired of being Harassed by Your Stupid Parents?
Act Now!!!
Move Out. Get A Job. Pay Your Bills While You Still Know Everything.
barrbieG 4 months ago
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barrbieG 4 months ago
Democrats are obsessed with Koch, in more ways than one, which is why their policies are a pain in the ass.
RatedRepublican 5 months ago
@RatedRepublican Yeah, why do they keep pickin on a guy who promised to bring jobs to the state, than pushed through a massive tax cut to the ultra wealthy, rammed through an anti-representation bill, pushed the state into a deficit and then blamed it on the hard working middle and working class.
Those big bad meanie Democrats! Poor baby Walker, leave him alone and let him be the corporate stooge that the Koch brothers pay him to be.
815Sox 4 months ago
Turns out Scott Walker is a bit of a shit. Who'd have thought.
*shrugs*
*leaves*
randomjrr1422 5 months ago