"They Can't Do It. It's Disgraceful and Disgusting"

[funnyhomeboy1]

Stop complaining. Do something. Thank you.

[CaJeffO]

Dear Fellow Americans,

The root cause to this issue and many others is not easily understood unless we spend time on getting educated on the facts which are not taught in schools or colleges. Please try this GOOGLE: CAJeffO index

Once you get there please see the following pages in order.

Page#1/ My Letter to America/ Page#2/ Page#8/ Page#9.

God Bless us all ~ CAJeffO

[globe255]

The meaning of life- whats that?

[Repsol52]

I hope you all loose everything you have for failing these kids like this you should be ashamed of yourselves.Jane you only care about Union dues and everyone knows it so stop acting like the community does not no what is really going on here.

[TresJolie7]

If the teachers are incapable of teaching these kids, then they need to go elsewhere. Poverty is no excuse. Poor people CAN learn.

[BablyonsKing]

I read your comments and I'm not sure what to say? The school system has been turned over to a bunch of CROOKS working out of the Black House. I was never able to go to school, Vietnam marriage to a hooker, you know the usual things like that? I'm very sorry for you young folks of today and even though I'm 60 this year I would do anything to help the CAUSE...PROMISE....

[bek12]

Would love to see some subtitles. I couldn't make out everything said around the time someone yelled, "pronounce it right."

Real shame they're doing this. I'd like to know the story behind the story.

[nezmaster]

the problem is that some of the public, and many administrators have this delusion that Test scores have something to do with education. AS a general rule, those things which are spent to increase test scores, take time away from things that teach critical thinking, the only real thing anyone needs to learn. We need better ways to evaluate teachers. Test scores a joke.

[3salamanders]

Thank you for posting this. Sides of the story like this *never* make the regular news reports.

[BadBunnyRides]

Solution:

Pay teachers a "base pay" of some low number.

Give them a "bonus" depending on how well the kids do in testing at the end of the year.

When money is earnable, you'll see the kids get the education they should have!

[ImAMassiveBender]

No way, teachers are already underpaid considering their qualifications, that system would just drive able people away; perhaps put that system in place but without the low base pay, instead of spending millions on killing some child in Afghanistan the money should be used to help the people that are, after all, paying it in the first place.

[IneptTroopr]

Yeah, if you're going to base "education" on standardized testing results.  As it stands public education focuses on teaching facts so schools get good test scores, rather than actually educating children or preparing them for post-education life.

[aSheeple]

BadBunnyRides,

That would give teachers an incentive to stay away from kids that need their help the most, let kids drop out if they dont get good grades, push lower performing kids onto other teachers, tolerate cheeting etc.

I work in sales where this type of reward system is in place, and I have to say, it gives us incentives to weasel our way into raising our paychecks. And when times are tough it forces us to weasel our way into keeping our jobs.

I dont want teachers to have that conflict

[BadBunnyRides]

@aSheeple

Yeah, more I thought about it, worse things I thought on how they (teachers) could weasel out of it to get bigger checks. I withdraw the idea :)

You have any ideas becuase we REALLY need something here to help the kids.

[aSheeple]

BadBunneyRides,

1) I havnt read too much material on education reform so I dont have a lot of Ideas (If somebody has looked into this please chime in) what I do know is that the statistics show a lot of funds going into masters degrees for teachers without any benefit to students so we should try something else with that money. and we need to refocus away from tons of standardized tests and toward creative tasks, creativity seems to breed bright minds, and standardization seems to kill them.

[aSheeple]

BadBunnyRides (continued),

also if we look at the times when kids were inspired to learn, it seems to be when cool things were being done in science (think the space race) so more funding for science research might be good.

I think its a structural problem more than an incentive problem, I dont know any teachers that decided to teach for the money.

those are my thoughts at the moment,

2) holy chipotle sauce, im having a real conversation with someone on youtube. humanity is not lost!

[BadBunnyRides]

@aSheeple You know, I have to agree on this. What's a teen got to look forward to? Enlisting and going to some war? (Note I CAN say this as I've been there 3 times, Iraq, and going back again but lets NOT turn this into another "why are we there")

No, more I think on it the more pissed I become. There's just nothing to "reach" for anymore. Where are the good examples to follow? The Heros? Cripes, the last Batman movie everyone identifyed with the JOKER for crying out loud, THE BAD GUY!?!?

[kerrielynn80]

Our teachers today already only make about what an assistant manager/managers makes at some retail stores.  The real problem is that the testing does not work.

[kerrielynn80]

Teachers are expected to be so focused on the standardized testing that they are missing out on teaching our children that reading can actually be fun. That history is not just some boring drivel but quite interesting. They expect children to learn something that even I don't understand and I went to college and yet they blame the teachers.

[kerrielynn80]

Blame the test.  The government is spending so much money on other things that they are cutting the schools budget and when they do that classes like choir and band and drama and art are always the first to go. When they do there is no more creative outlet for our children. Children do better when they are allowed to be creative. . Support our teachers. They wouldn't be teaching if they didn't love children and didn't want to change someone's life for the better...

[aSheeple]

kerrielynn,

I think the problem is even deeper than that. arts arent the only creative persuits taking a beting, every advance in science and engineering has required enormous creativity as well. our system is standardizing the creativity out of all our kids, artists, scientists, and engineers alike. we need to inspire creativity first instead of focusing on standardized test scores and wrote memorization. a creative mind will find something interesting to do.

[zrexs]

American students always finish last in international academics, yet teachers always complain of being underpaid. you can pay them 100k a year and they would not be any better. they should not be unionized and be paid based on their student academic scores. we have the most expensive education system ind the world with the least educated student.

[dunkelfier]

This is the problem with teachers unions. They want public schools to make employment of teachers a higher priority than actually educating children. If the students are failing tests, the teachers union's solution is to lower the testing standards.  If we got rid of teachers unions and required teachers to actually DO THEIR JOBS (many teachers make little effort to ensure their students learn), then maybe the students would actually be educated and we wouldn't be in this situation.

[Gantzer1]

america is in its final years, I wouldnt be surpised in ten years if its refered to a the former united states of america, just like the former soviet union, good luck people your going to need it so am I.

[soda1yes]

@Gantzer1 You lie! America hater. Why do you hate America?

[Gantzer1]

@soda1yes i dont hate people in america but the country god damn it is it rolling down the toilet i dont hate dying things i just call it as i c it

[frwgt350net]

As Nelson would put it so perfectly -- ha haaa

[muratshawn]

if they fire all teachers, the community needs to stick together and not sent one single child to that school...thats how u control things

[nickonoise]

I've been told all my life that unions are greedy, corrupt and a burden on any and all that they work for. How have I been misinformed. This is a serious question for serious people. I want a different opinion on this. Thank you kindly.

[wildhippy]

Unions are leveling and democratic, so the biz community has had it out for them since WW2. See: Selling Free Enterprise

The Business Assault on Labor and Liberalism, 1945-60

Author: Elizabeth A. Fones-Wolf

Also: Union-Free America: Workers and Antiunion Culture. by same author

[BadBunnyRides]

If I fixed your car and only got it 54% right but asked for a 200% increase in pay for the job, what would you tell me?

Be honest.

Because if it was MY car and YOU were working on it? Your ass would hit the street and slide for a mile before you even slowed down enough to know what just happend.

[wyzguy333]

It pisses me off Mike how the teachers, policmen, and firefighters had their retirement savings "decimated" by the traders on "Wall St." betting on things like "credit default swaps"!!

And people like Hannity, Beck, and Limbaugh never even got their college degrees rail against public unions!! It's disgusting.

[DojoNDude]

It's more than disgusting, it's criminal. People should be going to jail for what Wall Street did as per Alan Grayson. Be part of the fight to elect more progressive legislators or we are doomed! Do not donate to the DNC. They are not pro-progressive, rather, join PDA or Bold Progressives and directly support the decent candidates. Sorry if that sounded like an info-mercial.

[ipwnorcs]

We need the entire damn workforce unionized. Take the damn schools, factories, and banks.

[garydupuis]

Somehow I feel I'm not getting the entire picture, someone care to elucidate?

[IVIaggotx]

You're not the only one. I wish there was a link to the full story.

[allenrw3]

tell any prospective teachers you know that are out of work that there are openings in CENTRAL FALLS, R.I. !!!!

[thedreamdealer]

Fran Gallo said: "We service children" - does anyone else think that sounds bad?

[ESWtagteam]

@thedreamdealer lol

[AdamDiddy]

Yup !

[allenrw3]

i kinda sniggered when she said that. i'm sorry, that's just a funny sentence.

[th3dig1tal0n3]

An police state does not need educated population. It needs patriots and partisans.

Patriots to do the dirty job without asking nasty questions and partisans to rally patriots.

[tohelgi]

I love all americans they can't show Iran or Irak on a map, they have no social system, no health-care-system.

I love all americans, they work all day long, to pay the landlord, they have the NRA and more rifles and weapons in private hands than the third world.

I love all americans, they do everything the government says and the rich control the land.

You don't need education, or schools. Just belevie in god and in your government and all becomes true.

I'm alice of the wonderland.

[lostkeys78]

@tohelgi sad but very true.

[FaithfulAndTrue1]

This is similar to what Sadam did in his Regine....

[LordNapalm]

umm.. anyone else think it's weird that the president of a teachers union can't speak properly? I'm not saying that the cause isn't just... but you have to represent.

[seamoremonster]

Don't agree Moxie. What do these tests prove and who are they set for? A child that comes from a disadvantaged background is not going to compete well against a child who is nurtured and taught the value of an education at home. Take a teacher who achieves top results in a top school and transfer that teacher to a disadvantaged school and then check the results his students achieve in a standardized test. Herein lies the problem and the seeds to the solution.

[TheRamenAvenger]

My parents were teachers, but I didn't become one because they didn't get paid what they were worth. If we don't up the pay for teachers we can't expect quality. It takes a lot of education and the pay is a joke.

[cannonballsdick]

Why blame the teachers? Why?

[nagasako7]

I've had awesome teachers that know how to engaged every single student.

I've had shit teachers that have horrible lesson plans.

I've had teachers that were truly creative and exciting to learn from.

I've had teachers who could care less.

The school system where a teacher can be fired at any given time makes sure each teacher is pulling his or her weight. Parents who can afford it go to such private schools.

Give teachers attractive pay, but job security from scrutiny is 'fucking retarded'

[dangerouslytalented]

Too many people are literally looting the system without giving anything back. It's fine to be rich, as long as you have added to the overall weatlh of the nation. Teachers do this. They add to the overall wealth of the nation. But they don't get paid enough...

[tenagliac]

It seems like a general overall system collapse is happening. I have seen private schools in the same boat. Not even unions to contend with. They're all hurting.

Plenty of money in TARP, but hardly any for that which benefits people. The priorities are clear to see.

[swami24u]

if money is not the answer then why is it the only answer for the rich to go to yale , harvard, brown ect.

[Umberto2]

i feel that the right wing is stronger than ever in terms of the shit on their agenda that's now actually getting passed. union bashing is in full force this year and these types of firings are happening all over the place - this never happend under Bush. the Dems in power are spineless and pitiful. at least under Bush, we had someone to really hate, now it's just sadness and hopelessness

[bagelboi66]

How is this school board, already so stuck for cash, going to have the resources to recruit teachers any better than the ones they've just let go? Even if they can re-hire some of the more qualified of the fired staff, recruiting and on-boarding so many new people at once is going to cost them a bundle, and the kids won't be any further ahead.

[llothar68]

If you want better education, ban this shitty american TV.

[FattKidd]

in fairness tho, i have to say, these teachers fired themselves. $30/hr is damn good money, especially these days. but, $90/hr when your district is already broke? please. you're asking to be fired.

[Kapan60]

@FattKidd Ever pay for a $120,000 college loan at $30 an hour?

[FattKidd]

i wasn't dumb enough to go to a school that costs $30k/yr without a scholarship. even if i had, i would pay that off first, before i ran out and bought anything else, which would be totally do-able within 5 yrs if you sacrifice. i went to a state school that was just as good as any private school and only cost $2700/yr. i work with people that went o ga tech, case western, mercer college, va tech etc and, they don't make any more than i do. you have a choice. choose wisely.

[Kapan60]

Ah, and I'm sure your entry level pay and pay now is more than what the average school teacher recieves.

[FattKidd]

i'm an engineer so, yeah it was and it is.

[Kapan60]

Must be nice to be feel appreciated. If it were up to me I'd rather see public school privatized. Not to end the unions mind you, but to get rid of the idiots at the top.

Imagine if you had poltiicans with no experience in engineering tell you how to build a bridge, structural analysis, develop mindless paperwork, or develop 3 or 4 plans for the same building.

That's American education. We ignore everything we've learned with brain development to pass standardized test scores.

[wildhippy]

Then everything would be subject to the profit motive. No, the answer to bad government management is better management, more citizen participation etc. Before Eisenhower was made SAC they didn't throw up their arms and say "well lets just privatize the whole Army, the government can't defeat the Nazi's" or "Soviets in Space first?! - privatize NASA, the government will never get us to the moon first!"

[hozehd]

and better management comes from privatization. Everything else is good enough for government work.

[Kapan60]

I've never seen this "better management" or "citizen participation" you speak of and I doubt I will.

[FattKidd]

i do deal with people like that on a daily basis. incompetent 'yes men' rule the world whether that is in private industry or gov't. it makes no difference. and, that said, i think it's human nature to question the competence of your 'higher-ups'. but, there is definately enough incompetence to go around. no, privatizing gov't functions has never worked out for the better no matter where it's been tried. it only introduces the cancer of greed into the equation and profit as the main motive.

[sugarraygras]

@fattkidd. You speak the truth. I have witnessesd the same here in the UK.

[WakeUpWorldTV]

48% graduation rate is unacceptable, I'm sorry Mike. I definitely wouldn't want my child in any public school this day and age, because it's all about money and if the schools are losing it or don't have it, that's how you get the 48% But you don't need money to teach and learn, it comes naturally-free, so therefore those teachers should have been fired, really all of them. Money plays a little role in actually educating someone. I didn't pay anything to learn English, learned it by repetition.

[llothar68]

Yes you are right, thats why all the "One Laptop Per Child" projects are stupid and all examples where they tried it in the real world failed to show any better results. Costs (and profits for the selling companies) only.

What you need are good encouraged workers and small class rooms. Okay in some areas like science classes (chemistry, computer science) you need additional stuff.

[Kapan60]

@WakeUpWorldTV Have you ever taught in an inner city school? Just curious

[seamoremonster]

@Kapan60 Spoken like a person who has been there. Truly dedicated educators take on these positions in inner city schools and are rarely appreciated. You're dead right. Anyone who's been there knows it's damned hard work.

[Kapan60]

Unforunately it's looking like working in those systems isn't worth it anymore. Who's going to risk their careers teaching in schools if this is the grand "solution" to standardized test scores and graduation rates?

[seamoremonster]

You have just sensibly identified, underscored and highlighted the basic fault in their harebrained strategy. It simply won't work. The best educators are those who get results from those students suffering from the biggest disadvantages. This bullshit is shoveled up by those who have never ever been at the chalkface.

[Kapan60]

Or even worse, the ones that couldn't teach and then become administrators.

[seamoremonster]

Spot on. You well and truly have been there!  That's exactly what happens.

[WakeUpWorldTV]

I've grew up & graduated from an inner city school. Still curious? The government wouldn't send weak soldiers to fight wars, that's why they go through a heavy training to see who's fit and who's not. And if they're not fit, they'll get'm fit. And that's what the teachers should be doing getting the students fit for the real world.

[Kapan60]

The opposite happens in education. Teachers who have no experience enter into the inner city schools before they can apply to easier surburban positions. It's so bad the federal goverment paid teacher's student loans if they stayed in the inner city for five years.

I see your point with military discipline, but the problem with that is a) teacher's can't discipline with that severity without the threat of being sued b) even if they did you'd still have students falling through the cracks

[AnonEyeMouse]

It's a shame you didn't learn about grammar and sentence structure.

Maybe if you'd had a decent, well-funded english teacher you wouldn't have the problems you do.

[JayPhilosopher]

Public School Teachers have been forced to suffer intolerable conditions long enough. It is time that we defend teachers. This country would be nothing without the millions of dedicated teachers who educate our children while being forced to follow insane and hellish rules created by conservative imbeciles who hate children, hate the educated and hate the workingclass. Enough is enough. It is time to get mad as hell and fight back.

[navtel]

as was previously said.. kid the kids out who don't want to learn, get rid of poor teachers and quit asking for more money for a sub par job performance.. wake the hell up people, the times they are a changing..

[no1saphead]

I had some real sorry ass teacher's when I was in School.What would I like to do with them.Fire them .Demote them . I had a union I got fired because I argued with a customer who was a friend of mine .

[DameDiabolique]

It is not the teacher's fault that students fail...

[pongman]

It is the teacher's fault that students fail.

[Kapan60]

The parents are the #1 indicator of a student's academic success in school.

[suchev1]

Where's the kids' responsibility to take charge of their own learning? Certain children will not learn in a traditional school setting. You can't make kids learn unless they want to and unless you have support from the parents at home. Everyone should try teaching 30-300 kids a day with no parental support. You cannot do it.

[imtang0708]

It shows that the Superintendent is an EPIC FAILURE! Not the teachers!!!

[pongman]

48 % graduation rate?! I'm sorry I have a problem with that. The teachers should watch the film "Stand and Deliver" and realize they have an obligation to teach these children no matter what their social economic status is. If they can't teach they shouldn't be teachers.

[AnonEyeMouse]

You can't fill a broken glass with milk, my friend.

If the child is sleep-deprived, malnurished, and preoccupied with problems at home, the greatest teacher in the world cannot get them up to the same level as another from a stable home.

The best a teacher can do in that instance is identify the problems the child has and inform the appropriate care worker and hope for the best.

The problem of poverty is down to a failed civic structure, and that is very hard to fix.

[pongman]

Tell that to Ben Carson, MD Chief of Neurosurgery at Johns Hopkins. I wouldn't want to have to live what he went through when he was a kid. His mother was a crack addict in the streets of Detroit.

[AnonEyeMouse]

There are always examples of extraordinary achievement in the face of overwhelming adversity - but they are just that, extraordinary.

The very fact that his is a noteworthy story confirms that there is a massive problem in general.

[pongman]

Au contraire. It shows that someone believed in him and that's what students need. Teachers who know how to mold a child in believing in themselves and not giving up because he lives on the wrong side of the tracks. All too often we get teachers who don't know how to do that. Most of these teachers looked at their job as a paycheck and could have cared less about these kids. Now they're crying because they lost their jobs and not because they failed a school of children.

[AnonEyeMouse]

I'm not saying Carson's teacher didn't have an effect. What I'm saying isn't the definitive factor.

If it was, then Carson's entire class would have inspiring rags to riches stories.

The entire community around this school is failing. The teachers are not superheroes, they cannot wipe out the effects of poverty on children by giving an inspiring pep talk, no matter what hollywood has taught you.

Maybe one or two children will succeed despite their poor surroundings, but most will not.

[pongman]

Tell that to Marva Collins a school teacher who is quoted as saying, "Don't try to fix the students, fix ourselves first. The good teacher makes the poor student good and the good student superior. When our students fail, we, as teachers, too, have failed."

..and another quote, ""There is a brilliant child locked inside every student."

These teachers forgot why they are there and destroyed a generation. I have no pity for them. They should have been fired a long time ago.

[AnonEyeMouse]

Now you're quote-mining. Collins was addressing teachers about teaching not discussing in wider terms the various factors that effect a child's education.

Motivational quotes do not change socio-economic realities.

Here is the reality - poverty stricken areas (with a few statistical anomalies accepted) have schools with lower performing students and vice versa.

This is indisputable fact.

Placing all the responsibility on the teachers is both overly simplistic and flat wrong.

[pongman]

Again, tell that to Marva Collins who taught in the poorest communities around. She never gave up on her students. These teachers gave up the minute they got their first paychecks. They looked at their students like they weren't worth teaching as they drove in their cars to go back home to their white picket fences. It reminds me of the book by Jonathan Kozol "Death at an Early Age". We need to educate the teachers first before they attempt to educate the children.

[pongman]

These teachers remind me of the cops who use tazers on innocent people. Strangely in our country teachers are the lowest paid and placed on the lowest pedestal. Meanwhile in China they are the most respected profession and highly paid. Ya gotta love capitalism because that's what you get in America. It's no wonder this country sucks as much as it does.

[AnonEyeMouse]

You claim a massive amount of knowledge about these particular teachers and their personal attitudes and motivations. I've kept close tabs on this story since it was first reported and I see no source that could give you that information.

So, either you are in direct personal contact with these teachers or you are making a huge number of unjustified assumptions and knowledge claims.

I wonder which it is?

[pongman]

I guess the test scores from these students were wrong and these teachers were wrongly fired. Lol, c'mon genius it's not rocket science.

[AnonEyeMouse]

Yes they were wrongly fired. That is exactly the case.

Addressing the root cause of the poor performance is beyond the powers of the administrators. It requires a generation of investment in the local community to eradicate.

This is simple stuff, I am surprised it is beyond you.

[pongman]

Lol, yeah ok. So we keep these bad teachers and keep graduating students who can't read and keep paying these teachers a salary for poor performance. That sounds like the public education system of America. I think you should send your children to this school just to prove your point!

[nzingamina]

@AnonEyeMouse the best a teacher can do is to identify the problem and help. If additional help is needed than seek out other resources.

Whether the child achieves an A like the child from a stable home is not what is important. What is important is making sure that the child get a C or above grade.

[redneckbryon]

Support all Teachers

[FattKidd]

are they going to fire or sanction the parents of the kids in that school too 'cause, it starts at home, people. i suggest collecting fees from the parents of those kids that need tutoring to pay the extra time for teachers. if they can't afford it, then kick the kids out and cater to those that want to learn. quit wasting resources on kids who dont want to be educated. and, pass a law that prohibits anyone who does not graduate from high-school from collecting any welfare or unemployments bens.

[xkeltoix]

@FattKidd that would have devastating effects on society. what we need is equality, this way the stresses of capitalism have less effect on home life

[JayPhilosopher]

@xkeltoix How about if we just get rid of capitalism?

[xkeltoix]

@JayPhilosopher im down.

[FattKidd]

capitalism doesn't create stress, corruption does. no system works when you have immoral, lazy, uneducated or uneducatable, in this case, people. greed, fraud, etc are present in any economic system. the problem here is not with capitalism, it's with people. i'm all for giving a person a hand up, providing opportunity, etc. but people have to want to learn and they have to want to achieve. until these kids and their parents are made to feel the consequenced of their decisions, they won't change.

[xkeltoix]

@FattKidd capitalism in fact does create stress. look at how things were before the progressive era. most people simply couldnt move up because they had to work to survive, and couldnt use their strengths in productive ways.

our current system, although better, still has the same issue

[FattKidd]

well, i guess we just have to disagree. capitalism has its shortcomings for sure but, what's going on here is pure laziness on the part of the students, teachers AND parents and we can't continue to waste precious recourses on those who don't want to be helped.

[xkeltoix]

@FattKidd capitalism its self IS a short coming.

its too hard to pin point true lazyness in this system, some people just arent built for the business life at all, but could contribute in other ways, but simply arent able to because of the system

[FattKidd]

there are myriad ways to contribute and make money in this society. is it tough? yes. but, nothing worth having is ever easily gotten. do i think people are under paid and under appreciated? absolutely. wages are down, cost of everything is up, people are working more hours and falling behind. but, that is no excuse to give up. 52% dropout rate is an abject failure. it's not all the teachers fault tho. what i fault them for is trying to get $90/hr to help those students. that is rediculous.

[AnonEyeMouse]

You clearly misunderstand the situation here. It has nothing to do with laziness and everything to do with the effects of poverty.

Children who have parents who work two or three jobs just to keep the roof over their heads suffer greatly due to factors at home.

There is a proven link between malnutrition and poor scholastic performance and poverty struck families are more often than not malnurished.

The problem is the poverty in the local area, not laziness on anyone's part.

[FattKidd]

what poor disadvantaged people did in the past was use every opportunity given to them to better themselves. 52% dropout rate is a failure on the part of the students and their parents to take advantage of their opportunities. I work full time, have a second job that is almost full time, my wife works two part time jobs and goes to school full time and we still find time to do homework with the kids every night plus lessons, sports, etc. The time for excuses is over. It's time for action.

[wildpeachatl737]

Okay, so at the heart of this matter is money as the talks fell apart around the transformation model (which they agreed on) and the teacher's demands for more pay ($90 per vs. $30) for the extra hours they would be required to work. I'm sorry, but if it was really about those kids for the teachers, they would have done it as $30 per hour ain't so shabby as far as wages go. Maybe the real villian in this room is the union...I'm sorry, I can't roll with the teachers on this one.

[Snowflake70]

I easily give you high marks for that observation. I also believe the parents need to take a greater role in their children's up bringing instead of slapping ll the pass or fail responsibility on teachers. They deserve every penny of $30 but that's it. Let them rely on SS or a 401k like the rest of us too.

[rburton34]

Hi Mike.  Keep up the good work.