The Doctrine of Sola Fide and James 2:14-26, Pt. 2

[breenhill]

JEREMY LIN IS THE REAL DEAL! GO KNICKS!

[Papasmurph4]

@gateroadmusic Jesus said: "So you too, WHEN YOU DO ALL THINGS WHICH ARE COMMANDED YOU,  say, 'We are unworthy slaves; we have done only that which we ought to have done.'" (Lk17:10) If a man were to do this he we need no grace for he would be justied/saved by works. And though he might be in a position to boast to men about his accomplishment, he could still not boast before God because in doing all things commanded him, he has only done what he ought to have done (cf., Rom 4:2).

[Papasmurph4]

@gateroadmusic In Luke 18, "...the tax collector ... beat his breast, saying, 'God, be merciful to me a sinner!'" In response to this, the Lord said: "I tell you, this man went to his house justified rather than the other; FOR everyone who exalts himself will be humbled, BUT HE WHO HUMBLES HIMSELF WILL BE EXALTED.” (Emphasis mine, papa)

[Papasmurph4]

@Papasmurph4 I accidently deleted the questions asked by @gateroadmusic . Here it is so that you all can understand the two-part answers given in the paragraphs below. Sorry about the confussion..

@gateroadmusic Can you please show us the works that are in these passages of Scripture; Ephesians 2:8-10 and Luke 18:13-14 ?

[gateroadmusic]

@Papasmurph4 Did the publican beat his breast because he was commanded to or was it because he was convicted ( pricked) in his heart of his sinfulness? If the latter, then it was not a work, but a response. I don't think I have ever known anyone that has called this a work. You're the first.

[Papasmurph4]

@gateroadmusic I think that you need to read my posts more carefully. The emphasis was on what Jesus said about the man -- he humbled himself. And yes, humility is a command. Do you agree?

[Papasmurph4]

@gateroadmusic You might want to think about reading my posts more carefully. My emphasis was upon what Jesus said about the man -- he humbled himself. Humility is a command or do you think otherwise.

[ds8489]

This question is really quite simply answered when you realize that Paul was always talking in the context of "works of the law". James on the other hand was speaking about works of obedience. Therefore by the works of the law shall no man be saved, but works of obedience are absolutely necessary because a dead faith cannot save.

Galatians 2:16 ; James 2

[gateroadmusic]

@ds8489 You are obligated to prove to us that Paul was referring to " works of the law ' in Romans 4:1-12. The word "law' does not appear until verse 13. How can Abraham attempt to be justified by the law when the law did not even exist at this time. The obvious answer is that " works " in this Scripture are referring to " works of righteousness which we have done" ( Titus 3:5). Have you forgotten the first person that tried to be justified by works lived 2000 years before the law; Cain?

[Papasmurph4]

@gateroadmusic Are you kidding? The apostle did not install these chapter divisions. How do we know that Paul is referring to works of the Law in Romans 4? Because these are the works that he has been primarily speking about up to this point in the letter. Romans 4 cannot be taken in isolation to what was written in the earlier chapters.

[gateroadmusic]

@Papasmurph4 Since you assert that Paul in Romans 4:1-12, when referring to " works" (verse 5), means "works of the Mosaic Law", you are obligated to prove from Scripture that Abraham could have attempted to be justified by something that did not exist until 430 years later ( the law, Gal.3:17).

[ds8489]

@gateroadmusic Romans 3 deals with the law. chapter 4 simply carries through on the theme. Did I ever say that Abraham was trying to justify himself through the law? I DON'T THING SO!!! The whole point of what Paul is saying is that justification does not come through the law - even Abraham was NOT justified by the law. But he was justified by works.

[Papasmurph4]

I am sure that all will see what a fine job you have done in actually answering my videos. Yes, man is saved by grace through faith, but no where do the scriptures say by grace through faith alone.

[Blogrich55]

You are obviously a confused heretic as well as an Arminian. Are you Church of Christ? Man is saved by grace through faith. Works do NOT earn our salvation.

[Magnulus76]

@Blogrich55 I don't think any Christian who subscribes to synergism believes you earn salvation.