If you could buy any half stack out there, for blues/rock - hard rock sound, out of the following which would you suggest; Diezel, Soldano, Marshall, Mesa/Boogie, Bogner.
To be honest, the really HUGE names all have custom built amps like Brunos, Two Rocks, Cornfords, Wizards, Soldanos etc., all tweaked to their specific tastes. Those walls of Marshall or Fender or even MesaBoogie logos on stage are just for endorsement show off reasons
I never said that Boogie are bad amps, getting a factory tour anyone will see all about their quality. I'm just talking about what famous guitarists use, they use amps modified to their exact taste so no amp available to the public is identical to their equipment, that's why seeing a stack during a performance doesnt mean that they use the same equipment for recording and stuff like that. I.e. Santriani made a signature amp the JSX but uses soldanos and cornfords all customized to record.
The real cream of the crop Guitar players are people like John Petrucci, Steve Vai, Paul Gilbert, Buckethead. Which Paul Gilbert is the only one of those using a Marshall Amp. JP and BH use Boogies and Steve Vai has his own Carvin line of amps. Besides, 2 of the biggest Metal Bands right now, Killswitch Engage and Lamb of God both use Boogies. Everyone has different play styles, if the Gibson Fender direction works for you, more power to you. Just thought I'd voice my opinion.
Personally, my Dual Rectifier works better for ME, everyone attacks the strings different so if a Fender Amp works better for you, more power to you. All I have to say though is that Eric Clapton and Beck are not the cream of the crop and they simply use the equipment that they use now because there wasn't a whole lot of options back in their time(That and their stuck in the past, only old people and Guitarists listen to that music, not debating the talent just debating the time they are in).
um it's called an opinion you u're jus bein an immature jerk it's not bout who is the best jus listen to the music and enjoy different guitarist have different things that make them great
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yeah, very neat amp. BUT, check out the clips of any guitar based band which really made it and you'll see that most of them use Marshalls and Fenders. Beck, Clapton, Malmsteen, Vai, Van Halen, Satriani, Johnson etc. etc. none of the really regularly use a boutique amp.
Lol? You're a tool. Why the hell would it matter what amps anyone else uses? Unless you're a poser, you don't give a fuck. You play with what sounds good to you. And you only mentioned a few of the best guitarists out there...there are many more awesome guitarists who've made it big time that apparently you don't know about and yes they use amps other than fender and marshall. Oh and btw Joe Satriani uses Peavey amps and Steve Vai uses Craven amps. Way to get your facts straight smartass.
Little man, how dense are you exactly? Do you require me to list every damn guitar player out there to make a point? Comments on youtube are max. 400 or so characters. And re: Satriani and Vai ... yes, they get paid to pose with Peavey and Carvin amps but they mostly have and still use Marshalls. Now little fuck face, go jerk off somewhere else and leave the big boy experts here alone.
And how ignorant are you exactly? The fact that they once used Marshall or Fenders means shit all fuckhead. And the fact is, they DON'T mostly have and use Marshalls. Sure a select few are all about Marshall and Fender, but if you cared to look at for example Mesa Boogie's website, you'd notice their list of users is just as long if not longer than Marshall's, and is chock full of many popular bands. Please go post your bullshit elsewhere mr. "big boy expert", you're just an ignorant slut.
wow,we have a real live one here. Someone who is so ignorant, he doesn't even know the difference between Craven and Carvin. Oh well, I'm sure you're just stupid because your dad is your mother's brother, inbreeding never leads to good results. Fact is,I've seen most of the guitar players who are considered greats in the rock and blues world and there's practically always a Marshall and/or a Fender on stage. They may use other amps for recording occasionally but M & F are their bread and butter.
Lol ok so my little typo means I'm ignorant? Does it not seem obvious that maybe I had the name in my head and got it a little mixed up? You really think I woulda just looked it up and went ohh hey look Carvin amps...I'm gonna go ahead and let this guy know about them Craven amps I just heard about!? You really are a fucking tool...fact is, you're just plain and simply the most ignorant person I've talked to and therefore I'm not wasting any more time with your bullshit. Go suck a chode.
Excellent. That means you admit you lost the discussion and I won. I can now go and make another notch in my guitar strap and then google Craven amps, my guess is that they're a Canadian brand and thus per definition will completely suck.
well there's this band called muse, you may not have heard of them, because theyve only sold a few million records, but they like to use diezel amps.
oh, and the vox ac30 is a pretty popular amp too. but uh go ahead and call brian may and tell him hes an idiot for not using a marshall or fender like everyone else.
Both makes are not exactly the most mainstream manufacturers, however it is undeniable, whether or not you like Muse that they are incredibly successful, and also have a very nice tone.
Michael Romeo uses an Engl Powerball in the studio and a Line6 live. Guthrie Govan uses Cornford. Metallica use Diezels, Vai uses Carvin, Dimebag designed an amp with Krank and prior to that uses Roland Solid state rackmount amp heads. Josh Homme used a bass amplifier into a guitar cab with a distortion box for the Kyuss Albums.
All have great tone, none of them use marshall or fender. Don't claim that they DO use M or F because theres plenty of evidence otherwise all over the net. END OF.
I was talking about players who made it. Romeo and Govan are nobodies. Satriani definitely used Marshalls and if he's now using Peavys, then because they're paying him to do so. Attend a gig once in a while, you'll see what the working pros use. Sure, they may use a Bogner or a Soldano in the studio for a few tracks but the real greats, Clapton, Beck, Page etc. etc. etc. all use Marshall, Fender and Boogies.Which makes sense because all these overpriced boutique amps just try to sound like them.
THey're both making a living from being musicians, living the dream. What are you doing? Arguing a point, on which you are WRONG, to a bunch of other nobodies on the internet. And What about metallica? They've been using Diezels for a while and Hammet has a signature amp from (I think) Laney now.
As for 'getting paid' ot use a product, if that were the case they'd just slap a logoplate on a normal model and make some insignificant change like an extra knob. They wouldn't design a whole new amp!
You're too naive, uninformed and stubborn to waste any more time on. Enjoy your Diezel amp, I'm sure it's great for a style of playing I have no interest and no respect for. widdely widdely widdely. And next time you see a show, big or small, take a look at the backline and you'll see Marshalls and Fenders all over the place.
Actually, no, I won't. Last time I saw a gig was the mars volta, and Cedric had a big ol ORANGE stack behind him. As for 'my' Diezel...I don't own one. My Amp is a Vox.
Now please stop being a stubborn ass and jsut accept that a lot of players use a lot of different amps, these days especially. Bogner, Engl, H+K, Orange, Cornford, Line6, Mesa, Splawn, ETC. All have different tone, none are Fender or Marshall.
Hell, by your logic, Fender and Gibson guitars are the only ones worth playing just because they're the two biggest and oldest companies. Your logic is just plain retarded.
Dude, youre too stubborn. I've played pretty much every marshall out there, and with the exception of a (modded)JCM 800, they are all, well, weak. As for Fender, they make great guitars, but their amps suck, except the twin reverbs. Gibson is over priced average guitars, and they don't give a shit about any customer who isn't famous. Mesa is fucking awesome though! Instead of whining about how much diezels "suck" why don't you go actually play one? They sound really good.
I never said that Diezel amps suck.But the fact remains that the cream of the crop of today's players, and I don't mean those nu-metal shredders, mostly use Marshall and Fenders for their live shows. Jeff Beck, who is the best living guitarist today, e.g. uses a Marshall. Saying that all Fender amps suck, is quite a statement, I assume you like your amp to sound like it had a fizzy fuzz box built in and don't like fat, natural tube distortion, then I can understand why you don't like Fenders.
I do like natural tube overdrive, but i happen to like having an amp that supplies alot of it, like my carvin v3, not a fender which has virtually no gain.fender is decent, but diezel(and randall, and mesa, and carvin) blows fender out of the water. And people like beck don't just use marshall. he uses whatever he wants, and im pretty sure its not all marshall and fender. so if you want to be a damn purist, then go talk with someone who shares your opinion.
and both marshall and fender are really overpriced. If you want dirty, grity tones like clapton, marshall is great. but if you want anything else, marshall fails. If you want great cleans or the slighty overdriven sound of robby krieger, then fender is great. and you have to pay over $2000-$4000 for one sound. OR you buy a carvin V3 for $1200, and you have virtually any sound you could ever need. And Carvin isn't canadian either. its pure a american tube amp.
Agreed. Romeo is a guitar God. I hate dudes like that who have their heads so far up Fender's asses, they don't realize the the most annoying and uninspired d-bag in the world is the washed up 50+ yr old dude who spends all his time sitting in the corner of Sam Ash Music playing his crappy Fender through his crappier Fender amp playing his crappy blues, while talking down about players like Petrucci or Romeo who are actual, working, unimaginably talented players. GAH!!
And to expand on this a little more: The tone on the early VH albums is the subject of much debate. NOBODY knows what he really used, and he admits that he put about a lot of misinformation in interviews to stop people cloning his sound. Satriani uses a singature Peavey JSX. The other players are using those amps because they grew up with them and got their signature tones with them way back when. Nothing to do with them being vastly better or worse.
I just checked out an Diezel amp yesterday, they are the greatest amps. the sound and everything is fucking awesome. expensive that one i tried though, costs 5000 $.
No, Ive played one. Believe me, Im not going to make a judgement by listening on here (Though you can get an idea,because this guy tries out numerous amps with the same guitar, but we dont know what settings hes using). Im still in the market for an amp. I currently play a peavey xxx. The best Ive heard so far is the Rivera Fandango. I like my distortion to be well defined and punchy (the best I can describe it).
j'suis assez d'accord. Genre "pffff...t'es pas le premier, vous me faites chier les shredders à vous astiquer. Fais 10 fois le tour du paté de maison en courant, reviens avec du feeling et on en reparle."
Heil dem diezel
MetallicAAAAAAAAHHHH 8 months ago
@MetallicAAAAAAAAHHHH Also wirklich!
Metallica6541111 8 months ago
If you could buy any half stack out there, for blues/rock - hard rock sound, out of the following which would you suggest; Diezel, Soldano, Marshall, Mesa/Boogie, Bogner.
PrsFenderJackson1980 1 year ago
To be honest, the really HUGE names all have custom built amps like Brunos, Two Rocks, Cornfords, Wizards, Soldanos etc., all tweaked to their specific tastes. Those walls of Marshall or Fender or even MesaBoogie logos on stage are just for endorsement show off reasons
Sozos9038 3 years ago
Um, what? Boogie makes great amps.
DigitalVirus 2 years ago
I never said that Boogie are bad amps, getting a factory tour anyone will see all about their quality. I'm just talking about what famous guitarists use, they use amps modified to their exact taste so no amp available to the public is identical to their equipment, that's why seeing a stack during a performance doesnt mean that they use the same equipment for recording and stuff like that. I.e. Santriani made a signature amp the JSX but uses soldanos and cornfords all customized to record.
Sozos9038 2 years ago
Bullshit
CamelClass 2 years ago
????
Sozos9038 2 years ago
The real cream of the crop Guitar players are people like John Petrucci, Steve Vai, Paul Gilbert, Buckethead. Which Paul Gilbert is the only one of those using a Marshall Amp. JP and BH use Boogies and Steve Vai has his own Carvin line of amps. Besides, 2 of the biggest Metal Bands right now, Killswitch Engage and Lamb of God both use Boogies. Everyone has different play styles, if the Gibson Fender direction works for you, more power to you. Just thought I'd voice my opinion.
Rockostrongo 3 years ago
Actually KSE recently switched to Splawn amps.
RitusG 2 years ago
Personally, my Dual Rectifier works better for ME, everyone attacks the strings different so if a Fender Amp works better for you, more power to you. All I have to say though is that Eric Clapton and Beck are not the cream of the crop and they simply use the equipment that they use now because there wasn't a whole lot of options back in their time(That and their stuck in the past, only old people and Guitarists listen to that music, not debating the talent just debating the time they are in).
Rockostrongo 3 years ago
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Jeff Beck is the best living rock guitarist, if you don't realize that then you don't know diddley about guitar playing.
CamelClass 2 years ago
um it's called an opinion you u're jus bein an immature jerk it's not bout who is the best jus listen to the music and enjoy different guitarist have different things that make them great
mustxgetxout 2 years ago 3
People like camelclass think that the only guitars worth playing are fenders and gibsons, and the only amps worth playing are marshalls and fenders.
Others that follow this mold forget that better amps and guitars exist now.
But of course if you pointed out a band like tool or killswitch engage to them they'd state: "thats not music"
As if the only music worth listening to comes from gibsons with marshalls.
Good job demeaning music as a progressive ideology.
Two thumbs up :3
sesstreets 3 years ago 8
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yeah, very neat amp. BUT, check out the clips of any guitar based band which really made it and you'll see that most of them use Marshalls and Fenders. Beck, Clapton, Malmsteen, Vai, Van Halen, Satriani, Johnson etc. etc. none of the really regularly use a boutique amp.
CamelClass 3 years ago
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Lol? You're a tool. Why the hell would it matter what amps anyone else uses? Unless you're a poser, you don't give a fuck. You play with what sounds good to you. And you only mentioned a few of the best guitarists out there...there are many more awesome guitarists who've made it big time that apparently you don't know about and yes they use amps other than fender and marshall. Oh and btw Joe Satriani uses Peavey amps and Steve Vai uses Craven amps. Way to get your facts straight smartass.
Niavlyscire77 3 years ago 3
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Little man, how dense are you exactly? Do you require me to list every damn guitar player out there to make a point? Comments on youtube are max. 400 or so characters. And re: Satriani and Vai ... yes, they get paid to pose with Peavey and Carvin amps but they mostly have and still use Marshalls. Now little fuck face, go jerk off somewhere else and leave the big boy experts here alone.
CamelClass 3 years ago
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And how ignorant are you exactly? The fact that they once used Marshall or Fenders means shit all fuckhead. And the fact is, they DON'T mostly have and use Marshalls. Sure a select few are all about Marshall and Fender, but if you cared to look at for example Mesa Boogie's website, you'd notice their list of users is just as long if not longer than Marshall's, and is chock full of many popular bands. Please go post your bullshit elsewhere mr. "big boy expert", you're just an ignorant slut.
Niavlyscire77 3 years ago
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wow,we have a real live one here. Someone who is so ignorant, he doesn't even know the difference between Craven and Carvin. Oh well, I'm sure you're just stupid because your dad is your mother's brother, inbreeding never leads to good results. Fact is,I've seen most of the guitar players who are considered greats in the rock and blues world and there's practically always a Marshall and/or a Fender on stage. They may use other amps for recording occasionally but M & F are their bread and butter.
CamelClass 3 years ago
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Lol ok so my little typo means I'm ignorant? Does it not seem obvious that maybe I had the name in my head and got it a little mixed up? You really think I woulda just looked it up and went ohh hey look Carvin amps...I'm gonna go ahead and let this guy know about them Craven amps I just heard about!? You really are a fucking tool...fact is, you're just plain and simply the most ignorant person I've talked to and therefore I'm not wasting any more time with your bullshit. Go suck a chode.
Niavlyscire77 3 years ago
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Excellent. That means you admit you lost the discussion and I won. I can now go and make another notch in my guitar strap and then google Craven amps, my guess is that they're a Canadian brand and thus per definition will completely suck.
CamelClass 3 years ago
well there's this band called muse, you may not have heard of them, because theyve only sold a few million records, but they like to use diezel amps.
oh, and the vox ac30 is a pretty popular amp too. but uh go ahead and call brian may and tell him hes an idiot for not using a marshall or fender like everyone else.
PMCMANIS 3 years ago
Muse use Diesel.
Muse use Manson.
Both makes are not exactly the most mainstream manufacturers, however it is undeniable, whether or not you like Muse that they are incredibly successful, and also have a very nice tone.
notmewtwogaming 3 years ago
hahaha oops you beat me to it!
They also use Manson guitars, and it's fair to say they have a great, distinctive tone.
Slash uses a LP through a Marshall amp, yet he still has a really nice tone which is pretty recognisable.
Goes to show that it doesn't matter what equipment you use you can still achieve great tones! (well as long as the equipment is good)
notmewtwogaming 3 years ago
Michael Romeo uses an Engl Powerball in the studio and a Line6 live. Guthrie Govan uses Cornford. Metallica use Diezels, Vai uses Carvin, Dimebag designed an amp with Krank and prior to that uses Roland Solid state rackmount amp heads. Josh Homme used a bass amplifier into a guitar cab with a distortion box for the Kyuss Albums.
All have great tone, none of them use marshall or fender. Don't claim that they DO use M or F because theres plenty of evidence otherwise all over the net. END OF.
GuitarBizarre 3 years ago
I was talking about players who made it. Romeo and Govan are nobodies. Satriani definitely used Marshalls and if he's now using Peavys, then because they're paying him to do so. Attend a gig once in a while, you'll see what the working pros use. Sure, they may use a Bogner or a Soldano in the studio for a few tracks but the real greats, Clapton, Beck, Page etc. etc. etc. all use Marshall, Fender and Boogies.Which makes sense because all these overpriced boutique amps just try to sound like them.
CamelClass 3 years ago
THey're both making a living from being musicians, living the dream. What are you doing? Arguing a point, on which you are WRONG, to a bunch of other nobodies on the internet. And What about metallica? They've been using Diezels for a while and Hammet has a signature amp from (I think) Laney now.
As for 'getting paid' ot use a product, if that were the case they'd just slap a logoplate on a normal model and make some insignificant change like an extra knob. They wouldn't design a whole new amp!
GuitarBizarre 3 years ago
You're too naive, uninformed and stubborn to waste any more time on. Enjoy your Diezel amp, I'm sure it's great for a style of playing I have no interest and no respect for. widdely widdely widdely. And next time you see a show, big or small, take a look at the backline and you'll see Marshalls and Fenders all over the place.
CamelClass 3 years ago
Actually, no, I won't. Last time I saw a gig was the mars volta, and Cedric had a big ol ORANGE stack behind him. As for 'my' Diezel...I don't own one. My Amp is a Vox.
Now please stop being a stubborn ass and jsut accept that a lot of players use a lot of different amps, these days especially. Bogner, Engl, H+K, Orange, Cornford, Line6, Mesa, Splawn, ETC. All have different tone, none are Fender or Marshall.
GuitarBizarre 3 years ago
Hell, by your logic, Fender and Gibson guitars are the only ones worth playing just because they're the two biggest and oldest companies. Your logic is just plain retarded.
GuitarBizarre 3 years ago
Dude, youre too stubborn. I've played pretty much every marshall out there, and with the exception of a (modded)JCM 800, they are all, well, weak. As for Fender, they make great guitars, but their amps suck, except the twin reverbs. Gibson is over priced average guitars, and they don't give a shit about any customer who isn't famous. Mesa is fucking awesome though! Instead of whining about how much diezels "suck" why don't you go actually play one? They sound really good.
MetalMaster91 3 years ago
I never said that Diezel amps suck.But the fact remains that the cream of the crop of today's players, and I don't mean those nu-metal shredders, mostly use Marshall and Fenders for their live shows. Jeff Beck, who is the best living guitarist today, e.g. uses a Marshall. Saying that all Fender amps suck, is quite a statement, I assume you like your amp to sound like it had a fizzy fuzz box built in and don't like fat, natural tube distortion, then I can understand why you don't like Fenders.
CamelClass 3 years ago
I do like natural tube overdrive, but i happen to like having an amp that supplies alot of it, like my carvin v3, not a fender which has virtually no gain.fender is decent, but diezel(and randall, and mesa, and carvin) blows fender out of the water. And people like beck don't just use marshall. he uses whatever he wants, and im pretty sure its not all marshall and fender. so if you want to be a damn purist, then go talk with someone who shares your opinion.
MetalMaster91 3 years ago
and both marshall and fender are really overpriced. If you want dirty, grity tones like clapton, marshall is great. but if you want anything else, marshall fails. If you want great cleans or the slighty overdriven sound of robby krieger, then fender is great. and you have to pay over $2000-$4000 for one sound. OR you buy a carvin V3 for $1200, and you have virtually any sound you could ever need. And Carvin isn't canadian either. its pure a american tube amp.
MetalMaster91 3 years ago
Agreed. Romeo is a guitar God. I hate dudes like that who have their heads so far up Fender's asses, they don't realize the the most annoying and uninspired d-bag in the world is the washed up 50+ yr old dude who spends all his time sitting in the corner of Sam Ash Music playing his crappy Fender through his crappier Fender amp playing his crappy blues, while talking down about players like Petrucci or Romeo who are actual, working, unimaginably talented players. GAH!!
ofwrathandruin 2 years ago
their marshalls are back from the 70's lmao.
DigitalVirus 2 years ago
And to expand on this a little more: The tone on the early VH albums is the subject of much debate. NOBODY knows what he really used, and he admits that he put about a lot of misinformation in interviews to stop people cloning his sound. Satriani uses a singature Peavey JSX. The other players are using those amps because they grew up with them and got their signature tones with them way back when. Nothing to do with them being vastly better or worse.
GuitarBizarre 3 years ago
Haha Peter DIezel omg he lives in my town^^
KoHKersch 3 years ago
too much nicorette gum
styleomatic 3 years ago
whats the riff that plays at 0.28?? Van Halen?
yourmumsucksdick 3 years ago
good question... lol 3 months ago
Rocklobster933 3 years ago
so does a vh4 kick the road kings ass?
i cant decide between them? i am gonne buy one though!!!!
BUT WHICH ONE? ANY ADVICE?
wolfve 4 years ago
you cant go wrong with the einstein , i love and i do very brutal metal stuff with it
flownomis 3 years ago
They are to different to really compare.
CoC350 3 years ago
if you need a more heavy sound without having to use any boosts get the vh4 . If you need more crunchy sounds get the roadking.
RediForKing 3 years ago
I just checked out an Diezel amp yesterday, they are the greatest amps. the sound and everything is fucking awesome. expensive that one i tried though, costs 5000 $.
efhve 4 years ago
I dont like the sound of diezel's. They just sound like there is a blanket over your amp.
krelbar 4 years ago
then you have never played one, just heard on tube?
flownomis 4 years ago
No, Ive played one. Believe me, Im not going to make a judgement by listening on here (Though you can get an idea,because this guy tries out numerous amps with the same guitar, but we dont know what settings hes using). Im still in the market for an amp. I currently play a peavey xxx. The best Ive heard so far is the Rivera Fandango. I like my distortion to be well defined and punchy (the best I can describe it).
krelbar 4 years ago
Just want to say that Diezels are still a great amp. Its just not the sound I prefer.
krelbar 4 years ago
those bbe sonic maximizers can put some high end sizzle on anything...in the case of the "blanket over the amp" sound, it might help.
tempest63132 4 years ago
Is it just me or should a $5000 amp have delicious tone without a sonic maximizer or need for a boost? I agree it can help though...
lifeofsobriety 3 years ago
j'suis assez d'accord. Genre "pffff...t'es pas le premier, vous me faites chier les shredders à vous astiquer. Fais 10 fois le tour du paté de maison en courant, reviens avec du feeling et on en reparle."
lepetitchose 4 years ago
Peter Diezel a bien l'air de s'emmerder.
hamletcorsica 4 years ago
cool!
petejt 4 years ago