@hibiscusfire Did you not understand my reply about moral?
What moral do you get from a figure that can save everyone from eternal torture, but require them to accept him first? If you had that power should you save the serial killer that accept you but refuse to save a good person that care about everyone but just have as rule to not believe things before there is any reason to believe it, things like evidence and credibility. A person with moral can't accept those terms.
@ytbabbler Who is good? Jesus asked. In everyone's opinion they are good. But how do you know if you are good if God did not give His commandments? Morals. So if you if you were hungry and you wanted some food how would you get it? You may have to 1. buy it 2. prepare it. Before you buy it or prepare it the food would have had to be produced or grown. So you cannot eat food unless you obtain it. So likewise you cannot be saved unless you accept the one who can save you - Jesus.
@hibiscusfire Why must one accept him? Do you know what love is?
Can you even think about doing something good for others without demanding something in return. Your belief is insane, it hold you back from knowledge, and you act as fools in the education system and politics. Do you think the world is flat and stand on 4 pillars too?
I have done this many times, you all believe there is evidence for your nonsense, but you are just fooled, there are nothing since it's a lie.
@ytbabbler God is love. Love makes the world go round - literally...it's God who make the world rotate on its axis and revolve around the sun. Yes I do good to people without "expecting" anything in return, it will have to come from them with their own heart and mind. Excuse me, do you think that all scientists are evolutionists/atheists? You are the one who lack knowledge. Even the Bible has facts that scientists only "discovered" long after God gave us His word. God is the greatest scientist!
@hibiscusfire More then 30000 Children die every day of starvation, tell them that God is love. You peoples just love your own cult and yourself, and when you are inside it you don't see how evil you are to them who reject your faith. Christians can easy be like devils, all that is needed is one cult leader that push you around. Before you tell about Jesus and God, make sure there is any evidence , something you claim don't exist for factual knowledge that provide us with medics.
@ytbabbler Why don't you tell the people who waste food to send food for them instead of stuffing themselves like fat pigs? You are the evil one. How many times have you thrown good food in the garbage? You would even share some to the birds or stray dogs. Guess who sends the food? Yes the people who pray to God. So don't get up on your high-horse if you don't know you yourself are the culprit.
@ytbabbler The eternal torture for them that don't accept the Jesus story is just to scare the shit of peoples that only think about them self. They make you scared and then you hear the good story, if you believe you will have an undefined good eternal life, no problem and everyone will agree with you in every detail forever. They who don't believe will burn in hell forever. Is THAT justice? It's bad moral to teach things is you don't know anything.
@ytbabbler since you are replying to yourself I will reply to you. For your information you are getting a warning to be saved from Hell. Do you prefer to continue to live a don't care life and go to Hell or to live the way you ought to live and go to Heaven?
And an ape would not understand you, they would hold you upside down and beat you to a pulp.
Hell don't exist you fool, they fooled you to believe a story that you can save what you care about the most, YOUR SELF.
An Ape will try to understand, but you are trained to never look at facts, for you it's a sin to learn. See the bible about the apple of knowledge, I can understand what the story was about. Stay stupid so you can support the cult.
@hibiscusfire The brainwash you practice on yourself don't work for free humans, it's just silly to see you repeat the same crap over and over, Evolution happen, and you can ask the leading theists and they admit it. Ask the pope , it's mostly Christian schools hostages in the bible belt of USA that are so ignorant as you, and a few Muslims of course.
@ytbabbler Sorry there are many who would agree with me and many who would pity you because you are going in the wrong direction. So it's up to you to know your Creator before it's too late.
@hibiscusfire Ok, you know absolutely NOTHING about me and what I do.
BUT:
You are willing to bless a serial killer , rapist or whatever if they join your cult, but since I tell you that Jesus never existed, he was made up, your religion is bullshit, you and many more in your death cult agree to my punishment in HELL :-)
Moral ?
Do you know what the Muslims say? You are also going the wrong way.
Evolution is a religion. It is a belief. There is no solid proof of evolution. If Evolution can be taught in school as a valid subject so should all other religions.
@hibiscusfire You are right , only things that can be proven as fact shall be taught in school as fact, religions shall be taught as religions, just so children learn how crazy things can get.
You are completely ignorant of evolution, proof don't bite on you, but I have a video for you so you can see the amazing history of the earth
@ytbabbler It is already crazy that children have to accept homosexuality.What is wrong with u?Children are forced to accept that they came from apes.That is a criminal act.Children who have come out from homes with moral values&with parents who serve God have to put up with monkeys?What are u?A human or an ape?How dare the"education system"force children to believe in lies and accept it as truth when the truth is "GOD IS REAL". Teach about God too don't force a child to believe he is a monkey.
@jaska444 The humans don't have two less GENOMES than chimps, they have two less chromosomes. And the reason as to why this is has already been answered by science. There is a spot in a human chromosome that indicates that there is a fusion point where two chromosomes combine to make one chromosome. Since each of us have two sets of chromosomes, that results in two less chromosomes in humans than in chimpanzees.
Look up Ken Miller on human evolution on youtube to find the full explanation.
@rpsmith014 Yes, my mistake. But that raises a question. As new individual would have these 2 chromosomes fused together, then with whom did he/she mate??
We can not mate with apes because this difference in chromosomes. Where is the oppisite sex to mate with? Even twins would not have this same change.
Where is the "evolution" when the amount of chromosomes changes. They do not change in desimals, but as a whole. I have not found answer to this question but I see different species. Strange!
@jaska444 Things like this can of course just happen to one individual, but that don't make a new branch in the evolution tree. But there are examples of chromosomes changes in our time, like Down syndrome, and you can notice that there are many of them every where on the planet.
@ytbabbler True! My sisten has turners syndrome, thus missing one chromosome (if i remember correctly), and she can not have children. This makes me wonder, how come the amount of chromosomes changes, as they change in whole numbers at once making mating impossible with others. How and when this happens to make a new spieces.. it can not happen gradually! I have not been able to found an answer to this.
@jaska444 I'm not sure they all are sterile or if the doctors do them sterile since they see it as a bad thing. I know nothing about it, but one thing is sure, when humans branched, they did find partners, or we should not be here, and gradually is not a merge of chromosomes for one individual, but maybe gradually more and more of them until it worked.
The process maybe took a million years, a lot longer then we can study live.
@ytbabbler True, we came from somwhere. But how? This question of chromosomes has not been answered. Science should be based on facts, but suddenly in this case, time comes to resque when science has no answer. (don't worry, I'm not a creationist :) )
Chromosomes comes in whone numbers, and only those who has same amount, can mate. Change in amount of chromosomes that is positive evolution, is so very rare...
@jaska444 Well, Science has answers, but I don't know everything.
I think you completely missed the point that random changes just not happen to one single individual, so you can probably get many of the same changes in a group of animals where they maybe share the same virus or something that trigger the change.
Science IS based on facts, and the facts is that we are here, and that could not happen if new spieces didn't come from previous life forms, e.g. if evolution did not happen.
@ytbabbler I have not missed the point. I know evolution happens gradyally. But it does NOT explain the sudden changes in amount of chromosomes, that makes new spieces that can not mate with others unless they have exactly the same change in their chromosomes. I think you miss my point what I'm trying to bring up. English is not my native language, so it is a bit hard for me to explain what I mean...
And to say that this happens during millions of years is not science, it is a belief.
« But it does NOT explain the sudden changes in amount of chromosomes »
Yes, it does. Evolution is changes in genomes. Chromosome duplication or fusion is a change in the genome. We know it happens, and we even know fairly well *how* it happens. We also know various paths by which this could result in speciation.
Yes it does. Polyploidy is a well understood phenomenon. Chromosomal fusion too is understood to some degree. It is not surprising to any one with any knowledge of genetics that these things occur. Chromosome count changes are explained in terms of genetic events.
@XGralgrathor To sum this nonsense off breifly...at any time now in the present, we should have already seen the evolution of apes into man but there is nothing. Every single day we should be seeing these changes BUT THERE IS NOTHING.
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No, we should not, you cretin. Have you understood nothing of what has been explained to you?
1. You completely ignore our repeated attempts to explain nested hierarchies to you, or the fact that evolution is not claimed to be a linear process, but a branching tree.
2. You completely ignore our repeated attempts to explain to you that hypotheses are tested against what we can observe *here* and *now*.
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So, we go back to square one.
Humans were defined as primates long before evolutionary theory was conceived. The nested hierarchies of biology were observed and worked out long before Darwin was born. We *are* apes. That's a simple fact of definition. It is a fact that required explanation. Which is why people started working on explanations, eventually resulting in evolutionary theory.
@MrGralgrathor Oh my. So tell me long before Darwin was born, and long before the so-called "evolutionary theory was conceived who said humans were primates if they did NOT even exist according to evolution???? Who would have said that? Baboo the ape? Oh he must have said, "Let us mate until we make a human." LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Linnaean taxonomy has nothing to do with evolutionary theory. It is based purely on assessing morphological hierarchies of characteristics. Even modern cladistics can be derived from comparative genomics, without resorting to evolutionary theory.
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The species of ape from which man descended are *extinct*, as is the species that gave rise to those ancestors, and so on. The species apes that are extant today are the descendants of those extinct species. If they get a chance to evolve in any significant way (that is, if we don't drive them into extinction too) then the result will be something else.
@MrGralgrathor Good grief! The apes did not go extint they died and they were NOT the species which man came from. They were just apes so stop trying to justify evolution with more lies. And what you think the ones that exist today will evolve into? What is the something else? Get a grip. Did you know the species of the apes man descended from? NO! So stop your nonsense. God is the Creator. He made you human.
The species of ape from which we are descendant exists no more. H. antecessor, H. ergaster, H. habilis - all extinct - save for one surviving lineage.
Some new species of ape, of course. Sometimes I get the urge to chisel the words "NESTED HIERARCHIES" into your forehead, so that you can't pretend to forget any more.
@XGralgrathor Every single day ought to be the billionth or time period of these so-called evolution processes....BUT THERE IS NOTHING. Evolution is a BIG FAT LIE! Every day we see birth and life BUT are the apes into mankind? Where are the species that comes just before man? They don't exist because God made us as humans not beasts.
Except that there *IS*. Changes in allele frequencies, morphological and behavioural divergence can be seen practically *EVERYWHERE*, in both labs and in the wild. And such divergence and decline in subpopulation interfertility is *EXACTLY* what we'd expect to find, based on genomic research: evolution, divergence, speciation.
« Where are the species that comes just before man? »
In musea, labs and archives around the world:
Sahelanthropus tchadensis, Orrorin tugenensis, Ardipithecus ramidus, Australopithecus anamensis, Kenyanthropus platyops, A. afarensis, A. africanus, A. garhi, A. aethiopicus, A. robustus, A. boisei, Homo habilis, H. floresiensis, H. georgicus, H. erectus, H. ergaster, H. antecessor, H. heidelbergensis, and so on.
Not quite. There's actually quite a lot of room for variation there. There has to be a degree of chemical compatibility, though. Horse and donkey can produce offspring, even though they have different chromosome counts, but great apes and cultivated tobacco cannot, even though they have the same chromosome count.
@MrGralgrathor What a dumb example! Face it you have to be a human to mate with a human to have a human baby. Why don't you mate with a chimp ... it is almost same as you are as you claim. When people mate with animals they call that beastiality. And that is a sick inhumane act upon animals. You need Jesus like many of us.
H. antecessor might have been our closest distinctly non-human ancestor. If not H. antecessor, then a so far undiscovered species closely resembling it.
« Face it you have to be a human to mate with a human »
Nope. While it hasn't been demonstrated that chimps and humans (chimps are the closest surviving human relatives) can interbreed, we *know* that humans and neanderthals could interbreed, even though they were different species.
I'm seeing a lot of emotional outbursts from you; a lot of yelling that this or that "just isn't possible!" or "ridiculous!" - but no actual refutation of the models provided by science. You don't argue, you just deny. Not terribly convincing, I might add: you sound a bit desperate, as if you know better, but are afraid what might happen if you accept reality as it is.
So, no arguments - just a lot of personal incredulity, hm? *Very* convincing. Especially after you've demonstrated to have *no* idea of what's actually being claimed by biologists.
@XGralgrathor Sorry, you are the one who have "No Idea" what you are talking about. You see you want to appear wise but you are far from it. No one is wiser than God.
@jaska444 You mean chromosomes. He doesn't even want to touch on that subject because then he would have to explain why if we evolved from a common ape ancestor how that was possible since once 2 chromosomes fused to form our 23 larger chromosome that new mutated species would not be able to mate with it's previous species and die out. It would take a long stretch of the imagination to convincingly explain how we arrived at 23 chromosomes if we came from an ape with 24.
@adamrobinson7295 I agree, although if I'm not mistaken, I believe that Professor Dawkins has refused to ever again debate evolution, because the mere act of doing so would indicate to people that it needs to be debated. I'm not sure about his debates on religion and god though.
@rpsmith014 Has he? Well that's a nice view of it. However, I find it hard to believe that he will stop debating evolution because that means he has to stop debating Creationism and I think that's something he wouldn't want to do 'cause that's a major part of his work. Creationist and Muslims. I'm just in the middle of reading 'The God Delusion' and it's quite fascinating! Amazing book! :) But yes, if he has that view now then I'm sure he'll keep debating religion haha.
@rpsmith014 I love it so far. I'm only up to 'Chapter 2 - Secularism... and the religion of America' but it's absolutely fantastic and I couldn't agree more with what he's said in it. It's always best to buy books rather than watch lots of different interviews; you understand points so much more. Also, I bought 'The Greatest Show on Earth' so I'm going to read after, then I'm going to get his newest book, 'The Magic of Reality' More people need to be like him and his inspired me to write a book.
Dead-to-the-spirit deluded "God Delusion" author & blithering fool scientist goon Richard Dawkins another "leader" given 2 the profane masses is another useful idiot 4 Jesuit machinations
Jesuitical; pertaining to the Jesuits or their principals; designing; cunning; deceitful; prevaricating
The Jesuit Order completely altered the education system 2 suit their Evo-Hoax Agenda to discredit the Bible
Papal Rome cant have their Counter Reformation 2nd Dark Age DESPOTISM until Bible is destroyed
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@talons2112 If I am to understand you... and that is a stretch... you do not consider the board Dawkins was showing in the video to be of any proof. You are correct. This was not a debate video, it was more of a science lesson. Basically, it was something cool to see, nothing more.
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@talons2112 This specific video was not made to prove anything. This was for people who know (at least the basics) of genetics and evolution, as nothing more than a cool nugget of information. It's like a chemistry teacher assigning a class to turn a chemical from one colour to another. It is mostly a pointless exorcize, who would need to know that? It's still a fun little bit of information.
@8yankee I'm not going to bother looking up some shit hurling contest Dawkins got involved in. Nobody ever accused him of being polite. Even though my view of the world is similar to his, I doubt I'd want to hang around with him.
That doesn't make him (nor the scientific community on whose behalf he speaks here) wrong.
@hibiscusfire Africans today were not the first humans; they have the same African ancestors as Europeans do. They are every bit as evolved as Europeans; The difference in skin colour is purely due to the different type of environment. Chimpanzees are also as highly evolved as we are. Evolution is not a ladder, that you climb as a species, it's a tree full of branches that stretch equally far
@skywize You fail to say that all humans have the capacity to learn and speak different languages. But the ape cannot. Apes may be able to understand humans but they cannot talk the language of humans in any race.
@hibiscusfire Of course, you are correct. The capability to speak in language is one of the newest gifts of our evolution, and has effected the other apes, and may never. Parrots, who can speak, and do understand much of human language will likely never integrate it simply because of their brain capacity. Humanity will likely step in though, to breed them to human/near human intelligence.
@hibiscusfire That's the most absurd thing ever, lol. Blacks and Europeans are the same -- they're every bit as evolved as each other. And they both have the same African ancestors.
@hibiscusfire Black people have only lived in America for a few generations -- their most recent ancestry is from Africa. We all originated in Africa and spread out from there -- black people are descended from those who stayed back. They have darker skin because it was warmer in Africa than in Europe or Central Asia.
@adi87tya Oh brother and you really believe that? *Sighs* You really think God does not exist? That is really disturbing because you are wrong. God made mankind in many races. We are not beasts (animals) we are humans.
@hibiscusfire Did I say God didn't exist? I do believe in God. Just not in the Biblical God. My God didn't directly create all life. He created the conditions for the Big Bang and evolution to occur. My God created the conditions for the universe to rule and manage itself. He is a scientific God, a spiritual God. You can believe in God and evolution.
@nilbog44 No, I've studied physics. And the magnificence of the big bang, particle physics, the stars, the cosmos, etc. allows me to be spiritual enough to believe in a higher power. However, I believe in all science, including evolution. You should explore some Eastern philosophies like Buddhism that will help you answer these questions better.
@MarcusEFN Buddha ran off leaving his family to seek enlightenment. Jesus on the other hand lived with his family despite their rejection of his claims. Despite all the good things we hear about Buddha and his ethics, he did not lived up to all of them. Buddhism began as a reformation movement within Hinduism. Reincarnation is offered as the process to give one enough time to develop the qualities and practices to enter nirvana.Buddha himself was not certain what lay beyond death.
@hibiscusfire Jesus and Buddha are just two characters of two religions. They're no diffrent than a Leprechaun finding his pot of gold at the end of a rainbow.
@MarcusEFN How can I explain if you have blocked Him out? It's something you experience in the spiritual realm but yet you know in the physical because you can see what He does in your life. He talks, walks with me and He shows me things that you wouldn't believe until you are around me.
@hibiscusfire That sounds quite like a testable claim. Can you give us anything demonstrable -- not just personal experience, but something empirical or tangible? Information about the future, or something testable but currently unsolved by science or anything else?
@CodeSculptor The Holy Spirit is real just as you have a spirit. Tangible - your physical body - Jesus is God in the flesh. You are made up into 3 parts just as God made man in His own image...with a spirit (that which you cannot touch but can sense or feel emotionally), a soul (that which is actually you as a person) and physical body (which you can touch and see). So God is God the Father (who He is e.g. somewhat the soul), God the Holy Spirit (spirit), God the Son (Jesus in the flesh).
@hibiscusfire Do you have any support for that bullshit at all?
If you start using magic and supernatural things as facts, you will put yourself in a very hard position. How can you be able to understand anything if you mix fantasy with reality?
The knowledge we have about evolution is needed for modern medical research, religious faith gave us just pain and a sudden death. Example: how to cure leprosy using the bible as knowledge %-| . Get real, it's just crazy fairy tails.
@hibiscusfire Jesus never existed, he was made up 200 years after, read your bible and you will find that even the gospels are describing different characters of this fictional Christ.
Outside the bible you have nothing, nada, null. Just as any modern fiction.
@hibiscusfire You are right, I will not know Jesus or the lack of moral he represent.
It's like going in school for 8 years and then the teacher say that the only way to pass the test is to have 100% right, but everyone start with -1 so nobody will pass, but if you suck his sons dick the son will make it 100% whatever you did in the test.
Sorry for the bad news, Jesus is fictional, there is not any historical evidence other then forgeries.
@hibiscusfire your are truelly mad, and is lunatic just like the other guy said. Buddhism is a very peaceful religion unlike Christianity, which you're representing with ignorance, stupidity and destruction. if "God" is real and trying to create and image that should be "perfect" then why isn't it?
@ninjamonkeys13 Christ spoke emphatically and absolutely about an afterlife, something every religion had sought to have answers for. It would be best to listen to the one who conquered death and lives eternally than continue to speculate on it.
@ninjamonkeys13 So be it if you think that anyone who believes in Jesus are mad people. Buddha...did you know the guy personally? Did you ever have a personal relationship with him? Can you? No. You can have a personal relationship with Jesus because He is God the Son and accept Him as your personal Lord and Saviour. How could you accept Buddha to be your Saviour? He did not die and raise from the dead. Did Buddha ever tell people he was a god to have statues made of him to worship? We are human
@hibiscusfire Please get some knowledge. Buddha was a guru, not a personal savior or God, you can read about him if you like.
They have their religion for them self, they never tell others they go to hell, they never spread hate and lies, they just have their faith personally and nobody cares if they make their own life to a personal prison.
Is raise from death evidence for something? , in that case there are many more you must believe be Saviors from the bible and other fiction.
@hibiscusfire Sorry, but a believer in any faith can never know what is true or not, you are not allowed to accept any facts that don't agree with your faith.
You just pick anything you like and call it truth since you BELIEVE it.
No evidence in the world can make you say you where wrong, so it's pointless to even tell us your opinion just say what book you are bound to.
I guess believers in any other religion is absolute sure they have the truth and you have the "untruths".
@ytbabbler Jesus is the TRUTH. Buddha, the master of the Buddhists, showed his followers a way. But Jesus claimed that the way to God is not through a discovery (e.g., Buddha), his example (viz. Muhammed), or his teachings (all the rest), but by HIM, his very person. Jesus says "I AM the Truth." Buddhists say that truth can be found through their eight-spoked wheel of righteousness. By strictly following eight principles they claim that they can discover truth...they will never find the truth.
@ytbabbler Jesus is the Truth and He is saying it to us, humans. Then and now. Jesus never existed? Wow who told you that? Several independent witnesses testify of Jesus' existence: Cornelius Tacitus, Caius Suetonius Tranquillus, Pliny the younger, the Roman legate of Bithynia-Pontus, Flavius Josephus, John the Baptizer, Early Christians considered Christ to be a divine Being, all the people who hated Jesus knew Him also.
@adi87tya The body of Buddha lies in a grave in at the bottom of the Himalayan Mountains. The facts of life after death still are an unsolved mystery in Buddhism. Buddhism offers neither assurance of forgiveness or eternal life. Christ clearly offers salvation to His followers. Buddhism does not. It is said that Gautama's last words before his death were: "Buddha's do but point the way, work out your salvation with diligence."
@adi87tya No you cannot believe in God and evolution because God specifically said He made man in His own image. The first man was Adam (FULLSTOP) You are going to be in BIG trouble when the time comes when you have to meet your Maker. And you will be sorry because NOTHING can be done once you go to Hell. Keep on laughing your head off but you will regret you did one day.
@hibiscusfire we are not "beasts?" What does that mean? We are mammals. Just because we are highly evolved doesn't make us royalty and other lesser evolved animals "beasts." We are related to other apes you munch
@nilbog44 God specifically made man to be over the animals. You keep on thinking you evolve and see where that gets you. NOWHERE but Hell because you want to insult your Maker who made you perfectly in His own image. If you say you are a beast then you are a beast in human form and the devil is the one who makes you that way. Repent and be saved. Jesus is coming soon!!!!!!!!!!!!!
@hibiscusfire haha you are a lunatic. You are the type of guy that would have wanted copernicus imprisoned because he said the earth rotated around the sun. you hate knowledge and cling to old books that have no basis of scientific fact. That means that you are a stupid person. You probably don't believe germs and think that demons and evil spirits cause disease
@nilbog44 Which is more precious to you? An heirloom from your great ancestors e.g. perhaps a peice of priceless jewelry or a gold ring you found on the ground?
@hibiscusfire All mammals have the ability to produce their own vitamin C. There are 4 genes that work to do this. All apes however have a particular gene that mutated and can no longer produce vitamin C. Humans have the same mutation in the same gene. You are full of shit. You have nothing but a book and the need to parrot unsubstantiated scripture.
@hibiscusfire You would argue anything to distract attention away from the reality that confronts you. That’s the harm irrational cults do to the minds of their followers.
@hibiscusfire "Perfectly in His own image." Seriously? What about the 3 dead genes we have that produce vitellogenin for yolk sacs in egg laying animals (human embryos have vestigial sacs) and the countless other dead genes, including the GLO enzyme, which one other person mentioned (vitamin c). Vestigial features (appendix, arrector pili muscles, coccyx, etc..). Babies born with tails...Fallopian tubes in women. Ridiculous - far from perfect.
@MrBpigz I said in His own image, yet we cannot be God because He is the Creator. When I say in His own image, I mean body, soul and spirit. God is 3 in One Being. God the Father, God the Son and God the Holy Spirit.
It is God who He is (represents the soul who you are), God the Son (Jesus is God in the flesh-the body), and God the Holy Spirit (we also have a spirit).
@hibiscusfire Yes, I understand what you mean (former Catholic)...But, that's exactly what I'm talking about, the body. If you're coming from the standpoint where it's only the outer image (which also is evident of our evolution), why neglect the internal part? The few things I listed ONLY make sense in the light of evolution and our evolutionary heritage. You could say a creator wanted it that way, but again, many bad features only make sense if they evolved from features of earlier ancestors.
@MrFluffytoilett All the DNA is made of nucleobases which build a code for making proteins :) Nucleobases are the code for aminoacids(the code builds them) and many many aminoacids(over 100 by definition) build a single protein(the aminoacids tied together) and many many proteins will produce flesh and blood ect :) (sry wrote it new because your name was not highlighted)
uhhm@MrFluffytoilett All the DNA is made of nucleobases which build a code for making proteins :) Nucleobases are the code for aminoacids(the code builds them) and many many aminoacids(over 100 by definition) build a single protein(the aminoacids tied together)
@MrFluffytoilet Basically the letter are code for amino acids. The letters stand for A=adenine T=thymine G=guanine and C=cytosine. It's not on a one to one basis with amino acids though and these letters are arranged in three letter "words" known as "codons", like CGT. It gets a lot more complicated but this should do for a quick understanding.
@MrFluffytoilet It's not made out of protein, it codes for the formation of proteins :) I should have worded it better but I was still half asleep this morning when I wrote that reply.
I could listen to Professor Dawkins all the live long day, his passion for truth and his love of the natural world is second to none, may people like him never die out.
My first cousins are the apes,Richard Dawkins tell me so,I must love them don't you know,Yes I must love them, yes I must love them, Richard Dawkins tells me so!My cousins are the great apes,because Dawkins told me so,Jesus loves me this I know because the Bible tells me so,the Bible also said that man was totally unique and made in the image of God and that God gave man dominion over all the others species on earth and it is so !
if the differences between humans and chimps are that few, and we have the ability to see each one due to our ability to sequence the genome, and we have the ability to splice these genes then the next logical step is to take a chimp genome make the changes and create a human, that would solidify the theory quite nicely. however i seriously doubt it will work.
Did you know that the (nearly) hairless cat (like from Austin Powers) came from a single gene mutation in Canada? Quite the effective mutation since it has far more descendants than it would have otherwise. And the dog can be seen as the wolf essentially evolving to be adorable enough that another species will care for its young (owned domestic dogs' litter survival rates are much higher than wolf populations). Oh wonderful science....
Reality = UNICORN!!! *twitch*
DonTodsona 5 days ago
I wish he'd show us how big the entire board is, just to give a better sense of the scale.
BatmanOneOhOne 1 week ago
Evolution is a religion with no moral values.
hibiscusfire 2 weeks ago
@hibiscusfire Did you not understand my reply about moral?
What moral do you get from a figure that can save everyone from eternal torture, but require them to accept him first? If you had that power should you save the serial killer that accept you but refuse to save a good person that care about everyone but just have as rule to not believe things before there is any reason to believe it, things like evidence and credibility. A person with moral can't accept those terms.
ytbabbler 2 weeks ago
@ytbabbler Who is good? Jesus asked. In everyone's opinion they are good. But how do you know if you are good if God did not give His commandments? Morals. So if you if you were hungry and you wanted some food how would you get it? You may have to 1. buy it 2. prepare it. Before you buy it or prepare it the food would have had to be produced or grown. So you cannot eat food unless you obtain it. So likewise you cannot be saved unless you accept the one who can save you - Jesus.
hibiscusfire 2 weeks ago
@hibiscusfire Why must one accept him? Do you know what love is?
Can you even think about doing something good for others without demanding something in return. Your belief is insane, it hold you back from knowledge, and you act as fools in the education system and politics. Do you think the world is flat and stand on 4 pillars too?
I have done this many times, you all believe there is evidence for your nonsense, but you are just fooled, there are nothing since it's a lie.
ytbabbler 2 weeks ago
@ytbabbler God is love. Love makes the world go round - literally...it's God who make the world rotate on its axis and revolve around the sun. Yes I do good to people without "expecting" anything in return, it will have to come from them with their own heart and mind. Excuse me, do you think that all scientists are evolutionists/atheists? You are the one who lack knowledge. Even the Bible has facts that scientists only "discovered" long after God gave us His word. God is the greatest scientist!
hibiscusfire 2 weeks ago
@hibiscusfire More then 30000 Children die every day of starvation, tell them that God is love. You peoples just love your own cult and yourself, and when you are inside it you don't see how evil you are to them who reject your faith. Christians can easy be like devils, all that is needed is one cult leader that push you around. Before you tell about Jesus and God, make sure there is any evidence , something you claim don't exist for factual knowledge that provide us with medics.
ytbabbler 2 weeks ago
@ytbabbler Why don't you tell the people who waste food to send food for them instead of stuffing themselves like fat pigs? You are the evil one. How many times have you thrown good food in the garbage? You would even share some to the birds or stray dogs. Guess who sends the food? Yes the people who pray to God. So don't get up on your high-horse if you don't know you yourself are the culprit.
hibiscusfire 2 weeks ago
@hibiscusfire Wrong, you just assume things now.
Don't get panic, just check out facts.
ytbabbler 2 weeks ago
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@hibiscusfire
« it's God who make the world rotate on its axis and revolve around the sun »
Actually, it's gravity and inertia which make the world go round its axis and round the sun.
MrGralgrathor 2 weeks ago
@ytbabbler The eternal torture for them that don't accept the Jesus story is just to scare the shit of peoples that only think about them self. They make you scared and then you hear the good story, if you believe you will have an undefined good eternal life, no problem and everyone will agree with you in every detail forever. They who don't believe will burn in hell forever. Is THAT justice? It's bad moral to teach things is you don't know anything.
I can explain better to an ape.
ytbabbler 2 weeks ago
@ytbabbler since you are replying to yourself I will reply to you. For your information you are getting a warning to be saved from Hell. Do you prefer to continue to live a don't care life and go to Hell or to live the way you ought to live and go to Heaven?
And an ape would not understand you, they would hold you upside down and beat you to a pulp.
hibiscusfire 2 weeks ago
@hibiscusfire The know mirror effect again :-)
Hell don't exist you fool, they fooled you to believe a story that you can save what you care about the most, YOUR SELF.
An Ape will try to understand, but you are trained to never look at facts, for you it's a sin to learn. See the bible about the apple of knowledge, I can understand what the story was about. Stay stupid so you can support the cult.
watch?v=vgpSwBVdBbI&list=PLF9E23207CA376A1D&index=6&feature=plpp_video
ytbabbler 2 weeks ago
@hibiscusfire The brainwash you practice on yourself don't work for free humans, it's just silly to see you repeat the same crap over and over, Evolution happen, and you can ask the leading theists and they admit it. Ask the pope , it's mostly Christian schools hostages in the bible belt of USA that are so ignorant as you, and a few Muslims of course.
The rest of the world LAUGH AT YOU.
ytbabbler 2 weeks ago
@ytbabbler Sorry there are many who would agree with me and many who would pity you because you are going in the wrong direction. So it's up to you to know your Creator before it's too late.
hibiscusfire 2 weeks ago
@hibiscusfire Ok, you know absolutely NOTHING about me and what I do.
BUT:
You are willing to bless a serial killer , rapist or whatever if they join your cult, but since I tell you that Jesus never existed, he was made up, your religion is bullshit, you and many more in your death cult agree to my punishment in HELL :-)
Moral ?
Do you know what the Muslims say? You are also going the wrong way.
jesusneverexisted . com
ytbabbler 2 weeks ago
Evolution is a religion. It is a belief. There is no solid proof of evolution. If Evolution can be taught in school as a valid subject so should all other religions.
hibiscusfire 2 weeks ago
@hibiscusfire You are right , only things that can be proven as fact shall be taught in school as fact, religions shall be taught as religions, just so children learn how crazy things can get.
You are completely ignorant of evolution, proof don't bite on you, but I have a video for you so you can see the amazing history of the earth
watch?v=ITfVdYXw9jI&list=PL44B2C5CBFFC9CCB8&feature=plpp_play_all
(I hope the link works)
You have missed so much exciting while you was on your knees.
ytbabbler 2 weeks ago
@ytbabbler It is already crazy that children have to accept homosexuality.What is wrong with u?Children are forced to accept that they came from apes.That is a criminal act.Children who have come out from homes with moral values&with parents who serve God have to put up with monkeys?What are u?A human or an ape?How dare the"education system"force children to believe in lies and accept it as truth when the truth is "GOD IS REAL". Teach about God too don't force a child to believe he is a monkey.
hibiscusfire 2 weeks ago
How about the two missing genomes in human when compaired to chimpanzee?
Those two genomes contains somewhere around 16 MILLION base pairs..
So how about THAT difference?? Why not mention that?
jaska444 1 month ago
@jaska444 The humans don't have two less GENOMES than chimps, they have two less chromosomes. And the reason as to why this is has already been answered by science. There is a spot in a human chromosome that indicates that there is a fusion point where two chromosomes combine to make one chromosome. Since each of us have two sets of chromosomes, that results in two less chromosomes in humans than in chimpanzees.
Look up Ken Miller on human evolution on youtube to find the full explanation.
53iBro 1 month ago
@jaska444 1. They're not genomes they're chromosomes. 2. They're not missing, they fused together in humans.
rpsmith014 1 month ago
@rpsmith014 Yes, my mistake. But that raises a question. As new individual would have these 2 chromosomes fused together, then with whom did he/she mate??
We can not mate with apes because this difference in chromosomes. Where is the oppisite sex to mate with? Even twins would not have this same change.
Where is the "evolution" when the amount of chromosomes changes. They do not change in desimals, but as a whole. I have not found answer to this question but I see different species. Strange!
jaska444 1 month ago
@jaska444 You see, it wasn't that the two chromosomes fused together in one individual, it was miniscule changes over thousands of generations.
rpsmith014 1 month ago
@jaska444 Things like this can of course just happen to one individual, but that don't make a new branch in the evolution tree. But there are examples of chromosomes changes in our time, like Down syndrome, and you can notice that there are many of them every where on the planet.
ytbabbler 1 month ago
@ytbabbler True! My sisten has turners syndrome, thus missing one chromosome (if i remember correctly), and she can not have children. This makes me wonder, how come the amount of chromosomes changes, as they change in whole numbers at once making mating impossible with others. How and when this happens to make a new spieces.. it can not happen gradually! I have not been able to found an answer to this.
jaska444 1 month ago
@jaska444 I'm not sure they all are sterile or if the doctors do them sterile since they see it as a bad thing. I know nothing about it, but one thing is sure, when humans branched, they did find partners, or we should not be here, and gradually is not a merge of chromosomes for one individual, but maybe gradually more and more of them until it worked.
The process maybe took a million years, a lot longer then we can study live.
ytbabbler 1 month ago
@ytbabbler True, we came from somwhere. But how? This question of chromosomes has not been answered. Science should be based on facts, but suddenly in this case, time comes to resque when science has no answer. (don't worry, I'm not a creationist :) )
Chromosomes comes in whone numbers, and only those who has same amount, can mate. Change in amount of chromosomes that is positive evolution, is so very rare...
So, from where comes the new spieces??
This puzzles me deeply!
jaska444 4 weeks ago
@jaska444 Well, Science has answers, but I don't know everything.
I think you completely missed the point that random changes just not happen to one single individual, so you can probably get many of the same changes in a group of animals where they maybe share the same virus or something that trigger the change.
Science IS based on facts, and the facts is that we are here, and that could not happen if new spieces didn't come from previous life forms, e.g. if evolution did not happen.
ytbabbler 4 weeks ago
@ytbabbler I have not missed the point. I know evolution happens gradyally. But it does NOT explain the sudden changes in amount of chromosomes, that makes new spieces that can not mate with others unless they have exactly the same change in their chromosomes. I think you miss my point what I'm trying to bring up. English is not my native language, so it is a bit hard for me to explain what I mean...
And to say that this happens during millions of years is not science, it is a belief.
jaska444 4 weeks ago
@jaska444
« But it does NOT explain the sudden changes in amount of chromosomes »
Yes, it does. Evolution is changes in genomes. Chromosome duplication or fusion is a change in the genome. We know it happens, and we even know fairly well *how* it happens. We also know various paths by which this could result in speciation.
MrGralgrathor 4 weeks ago
@MrGralgrathor No it does not
hibiscusfire 2 weeks ago
@hibiscusfire
« No it does not »
Yes it does. Polyploidy is a well understood phenomenon. Chromosomal fusion too is understood to some degree. It is not surprising to any one with any knowledge of genetics that these things occur. Chromosome count changes are explained in terms of genetic events.
XGralgrathor 2 weeks ago
@XGralgrathor To sum this nonsense off breifly...at any time now in the present, we should have already seen the evolution of apes into man but there is nothing. Every single day we should be seeing these changes BUT THERE IS NOTHING.
hibiscusfire 2 weeks ago
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@hibiscusfire
« we should have already seen the evolution of apes into man »
(1/2)
No, we should not, you cretin. Have you understood nothing of what has been explained to you?
1. You completely ignore our repeated attempts to explain nested hierarchies to you, or the fact that evolution is not claimed to be a linear process, but a branching tree.
2. You completely ignore our repeated attempts to explain to you that hypotheses are tested against what we can observe *here* and *now*.
MrGralgrathor 2 weeks ago
@hibiscusfire
« we should have already seen the evolution of apes into man »
(2/2)
So, we go back to square one.
Humans were defined as primates long before evolutionary theory was conceived. The nested hierarchies of biology were observed and worked out long before Darwin was born. We *are* apes. That's a simple fact of definition. It is a fact that required explanation. Which is why people started working on explanations, eventually resulting in evolutionary theory.
MrGralgrathor 2 weeks ago
@MrGralgrathor Oh my. So tell me long before Darwin was born, and long before the so-called "evolutionary theory was conceived who said humans were primates if they did NOT even exist according to evolution???? Who would have said that? Baboo the ape? Oh he must have said, "Let us mate until we make a human." LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
hibiscusfire 1 week ago
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@hibiscusfire
« who said humans were primates »
Karl Linnaeus, a creationist zoologist did.
« if they did NOT even exist »
Linnaean taxonomy has nothing to do with evolutionary theory. It is based purely on assessing morphological hierarchies of characteristics. Even modern cladistics can be derived from comparative genomics, without resorting to evolutionary theory.
MrGralgrathor 1 week ago
@MrGralgrathor I am sure you never even saw a modern cladistic
hibiscusfire 1 week ago
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@hibiscusfire
And I'm sure you never saw an electron. Or a radiowave. Or the microwaves that heat your daily lasagne.
XGralgrathor 1 week ago
@hibiscusfire
You do realise that 'we pesky evolutionists' don't believe Charles Darwin wasn't the first human being?
bluemoonrising26 1 week ago
@bluemoonrising26 Well according to evolutionists, he probably was the first real evolved 100% human being. LOL!!!!
hibiscusfire 1 week ago
@hibiscusfire
I call Poe on you.Nobody can actually be that stupid.
bluemoonrising26 1 week ago
@bluemoonrising26
I agree his misrepresentations sound entirely too unimaginative to be real, nevertheless I think @hibiscusfire *can* be that stupid.
MrGralgrathor 1 week ago
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@hibiscusfire
« we should have already seen the evolution of apes into man »
(3/...)
The species of ape from which man descended are *extinct*, as is the species that gave rise to those ancestors, and so on. The species apes that are extant today are the descendants of those extinct species. If they get a chance to evolve in any significant way (that is, if we don't drive them into extinction too) then the result will be something else.
MrGralgrathor 2 weeks ago
@MrGralgrathor Good grief! The apes did not go extint they died and they were NOT the species which man came from. They were just apes so stop trying to justify evolution with more lies. And what you think the ones that exist today will evolve into? What is the something else? Get a grip. Did you know the species of the apes man descended from? NO! So stop your nonsense. God is the Creator. He made you human.
hibiscusfire 1 week ago
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@hibiscusfire
"The apes did not go extint"
The species of ape from which we are descendant exists no more. H. antecessor, H. ergaster, H. habilis - all extinct - save for one surviving lineage.
XGralgrathor 1 week ago
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@hibiscusfire
"What is the something else?"
Some new species of ape, of course. Sometimes I get the urge to chisel the words "NESTED HIERARCHIES" into your forehead, so that you can't pretend to forget any more.
XGralgrathor 1 week ago
@XGralgrathor Every single day ought to be the billionth or time period of these so-called evolution processes....BUT THERE IS NOTHING. Evolution is a BIG FAT LIE! Every day we see birth and life BUT are the apes into mankind? Where are the species that comes just before man? They don't exist because God made us as humans not beasts.
hibiscusfire 2 weeks ago
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@hibiscusfire
« BUT THERE IS NOTHING »
Except that there *IS*. Changes in allele frequencies, morphological and behavioural divergence can be seen practically *EVERYWHERE*, in both labs and in the wild. And such divergence and decline in subpopulation interfertility is *EXACTLY* what we'd expect to find, based on genomic research: evolution, divergence, speciation.
XGralgrathor 2 weeks ago
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@hibiscusfire
« Where are the species that comes just before man? »
In musea, labs and archives around the world:
Sahelanthropus tchadensis, Orrorin tugenensis, Ardipithecus ramidus, Australopithecus anamensis, Kenyanthropus platyops, A. afarensis, A. africanus, A. garhi, A. aethiopicus, A. robustus, A. boisei, Homo habilis, H. floresiensis, H. georgicus, H. erectus, H. ergaster, H. antecessor, H. heidelbergensis, and so on.
XGralgrathor 2 weeks ago
@jaska444
« and only those who has same amount, can mate »
Not quite. There's actually quite a lot of room for variation there. There has to be a degree of chemical compatibility, though. Horse and donkey can produce offspring, even though they have different chromosome counts, but great apes and cultivated tobacco cannot, even though they have the same chromosome count.
MrGralgrathor 4 weeks ago
@MrGralgrathor What a dumb example! Face it you have to be a human to mate with a human to have a human baby. Why don't you mate with a chimp ... it is almost same as you are as you claim. When people mate with animals they call that beastiality. And that is a sick inhumane act upon animals. You need Jesus like many of us.
hibiscusfire 2 weeks ago
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@hibiscusfire
« What a dumb example! »
No: the example demonstrated *precisely* why your claim about chromosome count is wrong.
XGralgrathor 2 weeks ago
@XGralgrathor Tell me which is the ape species that caused humans to be born?
hibiscusfire 1 week ago
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@hibiscusfire
H. antecessor might have been our closest distinctly non-human ancestor. If not H. antecessor, then a so far undiscovered species closely resembling it.
MrGralgrathor 1 week ago
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@hibiscusfire
« Face it you have to be a human to mate with a human »
Nope. While it hasn't been demonstrated that chimps and humans (chimps are the closest surviving human relatives) can interbreed, we *know* that humans and neanderthals could interbreed, even though they were different species.
XGralgrathor 2 weeks ago
@XGralgrathor that is sick. Really sick. Beastiality.
hibiscusfire 1 week ago
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@hibiscusfire
« And that is a sick inhumane act upon animals »
Excuse me, but *you're* the one suggesting that because something is possible it should be done.
XGralgrathor 2 weeks ago
@XGralgrathor So tell me why it hasn't been demonstrated? Is it because it is morally wrong to do such? Guess where morals come from. God.
hibiscusfire 1 week ago
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@hibiscusfire
"why it hasn't been demonstrated"
Like I said: *you* are the one suggesting that just because something is possible, we should try it.
I don't.
XGralgrathor 1 week ago
@jaska444
« from where comes the new spieces? »
From genetic divergence between subpopulations.
MrGralgrathor 4 weeks ago
@MrGralgrathor subpopulations of what 1/2 ape and 1/2 human? hahahahahahahahahahahahaahahhhhhhhhhhhhaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa
hibiscusfire 2 weeks ago
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@hibiscusfire
I'm seeing a lot of emotional outbursts from you; a lot of yelling that this or that "just isn't possible!" or "ridiculous!" - but no actual refutation of the models provided by science. You don't argue, you just deny. Not terribly convincing, I might add: you sound a bit desperate, as if you know better, but are afraid what might happen if you accept reality as it is.
XGralgrathor 2 weeks ago
@XGralgrathor Reality = God
hibiscusfire 1 week ago
@hibiscusfire
Reality is reality. Observable reality is the bit of reality that we can observe. And we don't observe any gods.
MrGralgrathor 1 week ago
@MrGralgrathor who said anything about gods? I said Reality = GOD.
hibiscusfire 1 week ago
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@hibiscusfire
« hhhhhhhhhhhhaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa »
So, no arguments - just a lot of personal incredulity, hm? *Very* convincing. Especially after you've demonstrated to have *no* idea of what's actually being claimed by biologists.
XGralgrathor 2 weeks ago
@XGralgrathor Sorry, you are the one who have "No Idea" what you are talking about. You see you want to appear wise but you are far from it. No one is wiser than God.
hibiscusfire 1 week ago
@jaska444
« positive evolution »
Evolution is neither positive nor negative, it's just change. Environmental conditions change, populations change along with them.
MrGralgrathor 4 weeks ago
@MrGralgrathor Evolution DOES NOT change apes into humans pal, neither one lifeform into another. That is just RIDICULOSO!
hibiscusfire 2 weeks ago
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@hibiscusfire
« Evolution DOES NOT change apes into humans pal »
Of course not. But evolution is what caused humans to emerge from their ape ancestors.
MrGralgrathor 2 weeks ago
@MrGralgrathor Oh really? Then tell me which is the ape that did that?
hibiscusfire 1 week ago
@jaska444 You mean chromosomes. He doesn't even want to touch on that subject because then he would have to explain why if we evolved from a common ape ancestor how that was possible since once 2 chromosomes fused to form our 23 larger chromosome that new mutated species would not be able to mate with it's previous species and die out. It would take a long stretch of the imagination to convincingly explain how we arrived at 23 chromosomes if we came from an ape with 24.
como651 2 weeks ago
@como651 Those who believe we came from apes probably did because they have no behaviour or intellectual insight
hibiscusfire 2 weeks ago
It's quite nice to see him just teaching instead of debating.
adamrobinson7295 1 month ago
@adamrobinson7295 I agree, although if I'm not mistaken, I believe that Professor Dawkins has refused to ever again debate evolution, because the mere act of doing so would indicate to people that it needs to be debated. I'm not sure about his debates on religion and god though.
rpsmith014 1 month ago
@rpsmith014 Has he? Well that's a nice view of it. However, I find it hard to believe that he will stop debating evolution because that means he has to stop debating Creationism and I think that's something he wouldn't want to do 'cause that's a major part of his work. Creationist and Muslims. I'm just in the middle of reading 'The God Delusion' and it's quite fascinating! Amazing book! :) But yes, if he has that view now then I'm sure he'll keep debating religion haha.
adamrobinson7295 1 month ago
@adamrobinson7295 Yeah, you may be right. I just finished The God Delusion, it was fantastic!
rpsmith014 1 month ago
@rpsmith014 I love it so far. I'm only up to 'Chapter 2 - Secularism... and the religion of America' but it's absolutely fantastic and I couldn't agree more with what he's said in it. It's always best to buy books rather than watch lots of different interviews; you understand points so much more. Also, I bought 'The Greatest Show on Earth' so I'm going to read after, then I'm going to get his newest book, 'The Magic of Reality' More people need to be like him and his inspired me to write a book.
adamrobinson7295 1 month ago
@adamrobinson7295 I agree completely! It's much more intimate when you are reading it as opposed to just watching.
rpsmith014 1 month ago
@rpsmith014 You seem intelligent and good to talk to. I sent you a message on here, drop me one back if you can. :)
adamrobinson7295 1 month ago
@adamrobinson7295 :)
rpsmith014 1 month ago
Hi can someone explain to me how we can pinpoint the differences in human and chimp dna?
how is it that our genome can be mapped? doesnt our individual genes vary slightly among each of us?
Hadesofthe07 2 months ago
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Hadesofthe07 2 months ago
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Dead-to-the-spirit deluded "God Delusion" author & blithering fool scientist goon Richard Dawkins another "leader" given 2 the profane masses is another useful idiot 4 Jesuit machinations
Jesuitical; pertaining to the Jesuits or their principals; designing; cunning; deceitful; prevaricating
The Jesuit Order completely altered the education system 2 suit their Evo-Hoax Agenda to discredit the Bible
Papal Rome cant have their Counter Reformation 2nd Dark Age DESPOTISM until Bible is destroyed
SpencerBenedict2nd 3 months ago
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lightandbeautiful 3 months ago
oh a piece of card board with a g c and ts are one is proof! please.
talons2112 4 months ago
@talons2112 If I am to understand you... and that is a stretch... you do not consider the board Dawkins was showing in the video to be of any proof. You are correct. This was not a debate video, it was more of a science lesson. Basically, it was something cool to see, nothing more.
skywize 3 months ago
@skywize norman rockwell did much better artwork however it does nothing to provide evidence of santa claws point is pictures, drawings and artwork are ot scientific especially with no scientific evidence.
talons2112 3 months ago
@talons2112 This specific video was not made to prove anything. This was for people who know (at least the basics) of genetics and evolution, as nothing more than a cool nugget of information. It's like a chemistry teacher assigning a class to turn a chemical from one colour to another. It is mostly a pointless exorcize, who would need to know that? It's still a fun little bit of information.
skywize 3 months ago
Richard Dawkins has gone off the rails:
search for Richard Dawkins and male privilege on Phil Plait's Bad Astronomy blog.
Participating in flaming a woman because she dares to say 'don't objectify me at a conference'? Poorly done, Dawkins.
8yankee 4 months ago
@8yankee I'm not going to bother looking up some shit hurling contest Dawkins got involved in. Nobody ever accused him of being polite. Even though my view of the world is similar to his, I doubt I'd want to hang around with him.
That doesn't make him (nor the scientific community on whose behalf he speaks here) wrong.
hagenar 4 months ago
If africans were the first humans after apes why can't blacks understand the apes when apes "talk"?
hibiscusfire 5 months ago
@hibiscusfire Africans today were not the first humans; they have the same African ancestors as Europeans do. They are every bit as evolved as Europeans; The difference in skin colour is purely due to the different type of environment. Chimpanzees are also as highly evolved as we are. Evolution is not a ladder, that you climb as a species, it's a tree full of branches that stretch equally far
andersemil 4 months ago
@andersemil All lies!
hibiscusfire 4 months ago
@hibiscusfire Apes don't 'talk'. Why can't most Americans understand the French? Why can't most Mexicans understand German?
skywize 3 months ago
@skywize You fail to say that all humans have the capacity to learn and speak different languages. But the ape cannot. Apes may be able to understand humans but they cannot talk the language of humans in any race.
hibiscusfire 3 months ago
@hibiscusfire Of course, you are correct. The capability to speak in language is one of the newest gifts of our evolution, and has effected the other apes, and may never. Parrots, who can speak, and do understand much of human language will likely never integrate it simply because of their brain capacity. Humanity will likely step in though, to breed them to human/near human intelligence.
skywize 3 months ago
@hibiscusfire That's the most absurd thing ever, lol. Blacks and Europeans are the same -- they're every bit as evolved as each other. And they both have the same African ancestors.
adi87tya 3 months ago
@adi87tya So why aren't the blacks in America white?
hibiscusfire 3 months ago
@hibiscusfire Black people have only lived in America for a few generations -- their most recent ancestry is from Africa. We all originated in Africa and spread out from there -- black people are descended from those who stayed back. They have darker skin because it was warmer in Africa than in Europe or Central Asia.
adi87tya 3 months ago
@adi87tya Oh brother and you really believe that? *Sighs* You really think God does not exist? That is really disturbing because you are wrong. God made mankind in many races. We are not beasts (animals) we are humans.
hibiscusfire 3 months ago
@hibiscusfire Did I say God didn't exist? I do believe in God. Just not in the Biblical God. My God didn't directly create all life. He created the conditions for the Big Bang and evolution to occur. My God created the conditions for the universe to rule and manage itself. He is a scientific God, a spiritual God. You can believe in God and evolution.
adi87tya 3 months ago
@adi87tya You just believe in god because you want to huh? No need for evidence. just believe in it because it makes ya feel good huh!
nilbog44 2 months ago
@nilbog44 No, I've studied physics. And the magnificence of the big bang, particle physics, the stars, the cosmos, etc. allows me to be spiritual enough to believe in a higher power. However, I believe in all science, including evolution. You should explore some Eastern philosophies like Buddhism that will help you answer these questions better.
adi87tya 2 months ago
@adi87tya Buddhism is a dangerous lie.
hibiscusfire 2 months ago
@hibiscusfire Buddhism is a very peaceful religion, Why don't you take your bible and go yell at gay people?
MarcusEFN 2 months ago
@MarcusEFN Buddha ran off leaving his family to seek enlightenment. Jesus on the other hand lived with his family despite their rejection of his claims. Despite all the good things we hear about Buddha and his ethics, he did not lived up to all of them. Buddhism began as a reformation movement within Hinduism. Reincarnation is offered as the process to give one enough time to develop the qualities and practices to enter nirvana.Buddha himself was not certain what lay beyond death.
hibiscusfire 2 months ago
@hibiscusfire Jesus and Buddha are just two characters of two religions. They're no diffrent than a Leprechaun finding his pot of gold at the end of a rainbow.
MarcusEFN 2 months ago
@MarcusEFN Jesus is God the Son. Buddha was just a man.
hibiscusfire 2 months ago
@hibiscusfire And your proof of him being a part of a super natrual creator is?
MarcusEFN 2 months ago
@MarcusEFN How can I explain if you have blocked Him out? It's something you experience in the spiritual realm but yet you know in the physical because you can see what He does in your life. He talks, walks with me and He shows me things that you wouldn't believe until you are around me.
hibiscusfire 2 months ago
@hibiscusfire Become a schizophrenic, believe in a god then listen for the voices.
NotEnoughLions 1 month ago
@NotEnoughLions The Holy Spirit is real.
hibiscusfire 1 month ago
@hibiscusfire Schizophrenia is real.
NotEnoughLions 1 month ago
@hibiscusfire That sounds quite like a testable claim. Can you give us anything demonstrable -- not just personal experience, but something empirical or tangible? Information about the future, or something testable but currently unsolved by science or anything else?
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@CodeSculptor The Holy Spirit is real just as you have a spirit. Tangible - your physical body - Jesus is God in the flesh. You are made up into 3 parts just as God made man in His own image...with a spirit (that which you cannot touch but can sense or feel emotionally), a soul (that which is actually you as a person) and physical body (which you can touch and see). So God is God the Father (who He is e.g. somewhat the soul), God the Holy Spirit (spirit), God the Son (Jesus in the flesh).
hibiscusfire 3 weeks ago
@hibiscusfire Do you have any support for that bullshit at all?
If you start using magic and supernatural things as facts, you will put yourself in a very hard position. How can you be able to understand anything if you mix fantasy with reality?
The knowledge we have about evolution is needed for modern medical research, religious faith gave us just pain and a sudden death. Example: how to cure leprosy using the bible as knowledge %-| . Get real, it's just crazy fairy tails.
ytbabbler 3 weeks ago
@hibiscusfire Jesus never existed, he was made up 200 years after, read your bible and you will find that even the gospels are describing different characters of this fictional Christ.
Outside the bible you have nothing, nada, null. Just as any modern fiction.
ytbabbler 1 month ago
@ytbabbler You are reading and interpretting to your own conclusion because you don't know and do not want to know Jesus.
hibiscusfire 3 weeks ago
@hibiscusfire You are right, I will not know Jesus or the lack of moral he represent.
It's like going in school for 8 years and then the teacher say that the only way to pass the test is to have 100% right, but everyone start with -1 so nobody will pass, but if you suck his sons dick the son will make it 100% whatever you did in the test.
Sorry for the bad news, Jesus is fictional, there is not any historical evidence other then forgeries.
ytbabbler 3 weeks ago
@hibiscusfire your are truelly mad, and is lunatic just like the other guy said. Buddhism is a very peaceful religion unlike Christianity, which you're representing with ignorance, stupidity and destruction. if "God" is real and trying to create and image that should be "perfect" then why isn't it?
ninjamonkeys13 2 months ago
@ninjamonkeys13 Christ spoke emphatically and absolutely about an afterlife, something every religion had sought to have answers for. It would be best to listen to the one who conquered death and lives eternally than continue to speculate on it.
hibiscusfire 2 months ago
@ninjamonkeys13 So be it if you think that anyone who believes in Jesus are mad people. Buddha...did you know the guy personally? Did you ever have a personal relationship with him? Can you? No. You can have a personal relationship with Jesus because He is God the Son and accept Him as your personal Lord and Saviour. How could you accept Buddha to be your Saviour? He did not die and raise from the dead. Did Buddha ever tell people he was a god to have statues made of him to worship? We are human
hibiscusfire 3 weeks ago
@hibiscusfire Please get some knowledge. Buddha was a guru, not a personal savior or God, you can read about him if you like.
They have their religion for them self, they never tell others they go to hell, they never spread hate and lies, they just have their faith personally and nobody cares if they make their own life to a personal prison.
Is raise from death evidence for something? , in that case there are many more you must believe be Saviors from the bible and other fiction.
ytbabbler 3 weeks ago
@ytbabbler By they never telling others that they go to hell that is a lie in itself.
Buddha cannot be a guru if he taught untruths. He hid the truth from people and strayed them away from it.
hibiscusfire 2 weeks ago
@hibiscusfire Sorry, but a believer in any faith can never know what is true or not, you are not allowed to accept any facts that don't agree with your faith.
You just pick anything you like and call it truth since you BELIEVE it.
No evidence in the world can make you say you where wrong, so it's pointless to even tell us your opinion just say what book you are bound to.
I guess believers in any other religion is absolute sure they have the truth and you have the "untruths".
ytbabbler 2 weeks ago
@ytbabbler Jesus is the TRUTH. Buddha, the master of the Buddhists, showed his followers a way. But Jesus claimed that the way to God is not through a discovery (e.g., Buddha), his example (viz. Muhammed), or his teachings (all the rest), but by HIM, his very person. Jesus says "I AM the Truth." Buddhists say that truth can be found through their eight-spoked wheel of righteousness. By strictly following eight principles they claim that they can discover truth...they will never find the truth.
hibiscusfire 2 weeks ago
@hibiscusfire "Jesus says I AM the Truth" HAHA, who did he say that to ?
If they saw him he had no reason to say it, just do some MAGIC.
While you waste your life on a myth, the world go on and science discover amazing things, but you miss it all in your darkness.
Jesus never existed, all facts you need is given to you for free at jesusneverexisted . com
TRUTH is nothing you will know, you have been promised eternal life and are so scared to find out that it was a lie. Wake up!
ytbabbler 2 weeks ago
@ytbabbler Jesus is the Truth and He is saying it to us, humans. Then and now. Jesus never existed? Wow who told you that? Several independent witnesses testify of Jesus' existence: Cornelius Tacitus, Caius Suetonius Tranquillus, Pliny the younger, the Roman legate of Bithynia-Pontus, Flavius Josephus, John the Baptizer, Early Christians considered Christ to be a divine Being, all the people who hated Jesus knew Him also.
hibiscusfire 2 weeks ago
@hibiscusfire You don't know a thing about Buddhism. Stop your BS.
adi87tya 2 months ago
@adi87tya The body of Buddha lies in a grave in at the bottom of the Himalayan Mountains. The facts of life after death still are an unsolved mystery in Buddhism. Buddhism offers neither assurance of forgiveness or eternal life. Christ clearly offers salvation to His followers. Buddhism does not. It is said that Gautama's last words before his death were: "Buddha's do but point the way, work out your salvation with diligence."
hibiscusfire 2 months ago
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hibiscusfire 2 months ago
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@adi87tya No you cannot believe in God and evolution because God specifically said He made man in His own image. The first man was Adam (FULLSTOP) You are going to be in BIG trouble when the time comes when you have to meet your Maker. And you will be sorry because NOTHING can be done once you go to Hell. Keep on laughing your head off but you will regret you did one day.
hibiscusfire 2 months ago
@hibiscusfire we are not "beasts?" What does that mean? We are mammals. Just because we are highly evolved doesn't make us royalty and other lesser evolved animals "beasts." We are related to other apes you munch
nilbog44 2 months ago
@nilbog44 God specifically made man to be over the animals. You keep on thinking you evolve and see where that gets you. NOWHERE but Hell because you want to insult your Maker who made you perfectly in His own image. If you say you are a beast then you are a beast in human form and the devil is the one who makes you that way. Repent and be saved. Jesus is coming soon!!!!!!!!!!!!!
hibiscusfire 2 months ago
@hibiscusfire haha you are a lunatic. You are the type of guy that would have wanted copernicus imprisoned because he said the earth rotated around the sun. you hate knowledge and cling to old books that have no basis of scientific fact. That means that you are a stupid person. You probably don't believe germs and think that demons and evil spirits cause disease
nilbog44 2 months ago
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hibiscusfire 2 months ago
@nilbog44 Which is more precious to you? An heirloom from your great ancestors e.g. perhaps a peice of priceless jewelry or a gold ring you found on the ground?
hibiscusfire 2 months ago
@hibiscusfire All mammals have the ability to produce their own vitamin C. There are 4 genes that work to do this. All apes however have a particular gene that mutated and can no longer produce vitamin C. Humans have the same mutation in the same gene. You are full of shit. You have nothing but a book and the need to parrot unsubstantiated scripture.
NotEnoughLions 2 months ago
@NotEnoughLions Wow such manners. :)
hibiscusfire 2 months ago
@hibiscusfire You would argue anything to distract attention away from the reality that confronts you. That’s the harm irrational cults do to the minds of their followers.
NotEnoughLions 2 months ago
@NotEnoughLions It is called having a conversation without the profanity and verbal abuse. In your study of evolution didn't they teach you manners?
hibiscusfire 2 months ago
@hibiscusfire "Perfectly in His own image." Seriously? What about the 3 dead genes we have that produce vitellogenin for yolk sacs in egg laying animals (human embryos have vestigial sacs) and the countless other dead genes, including the GLO enzyme, which one other person mentioned (vitamin c). Vestigial features (appendix, arrector pili muscles, coccyx, etc..). Babies born with tails...Fallopian tubes in women. Ridiculous - far from perfect.
MrBpigz 2 months ago
@MrBpigz I said in His own image, yet we cannot be God because He is the Creator. When I say in His own image, I mean body, soul and spirit. God is 3 in One Being. God the Father, God the Son and God the Holy Spirit.
It is God who He is (represents the soul who you are), God the Son (Jesus is God in the flesh-the body), and God the Holy Spirit (we also have a spirit).
hibiscusfire 2 months ago
@hibiscusfire Yes, I understand what you mean (former Catholic)...But, that's exactly what I'm talking about, the body. If you're coming from the standpoint where it's only the outer image (which also is evident of our evolution), why neglect the internal part? The few things I listed ONLY make sense in the light of evolution and our evolutionary heritage. You could say a creator wanted it that way, but again, many bad features only make sense if they evolved from features of earlier ancestors.
MrBpigz 2 months ago
oh damn, the DNA is made of nucleobases which are the code for aminoacids and not proteins sry^^
DerMacDuff 5 months ago
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@MrFluffytoilett All the DNA is made of nucleobases which build a code for making proteins :) Nucleobases are the code for aminoacids(the code builds them) and many many aminoacids(over 100 by definition) build a single protein(the aminoacids tied together) and many many proteins will produce flesh and blood ect :) (sry wrote it new because your name was not highlighted)
DerMacDuff 5 months ago
oh and of course, many many proteins will produced flesh and blood ect. :)
DerMacDuff 5 months ago
uhhm@MrFluffytoilett All the DNA is made of nucleobases which build a code for making proteins :) Nucleobases are the code for aminoacids(the code builds them) and many many aminoacids(over 100 by definition) build a single protein(the aminoacids tied together)
DerMacDuff 5 months ago
And creationists still refute that fact!!!
No helping the delusional!
jjoneil73 5 months ago
i know saying this maybe slightly ignorant but what does each letter represent? e.g How is A different to G and what does A/G etc do?
MrFluffytoilet 5 months ago
@MrFluffytoilet Basically the letter are code for amino acids. The letters stand for A=adenine T=thymine G=guanine and C=cytosine. It's not on a one to one basis with amino acids though and these letters are arranged in three letter "words" known as "codons", like CGT. It gets a lot more complicated but this should do for a quick understanding.
javmango 5 months ago
@javmango cheers ;) and is all of the genome is made out of protein?
MrFluffytoilet 5 months ago
@MrFluffytoilet It's not made out of protein, it codes for the formation of proteins :) I should have worded it better but I was still half asleep this morning when I wrote that reply.
javmango 5 months ago
@javmango yeah, it was slightly confusing, but then again a reply is better than none at all!
MrFluffytoilet 5 months ago
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I could listen to Professor Dawkins all the live long day, his passion for truth and his love of the natural world is second to none, may people like him never die out.
stephenboing 5 months ago
I guess I have to do the standard Youtube comment = 27 people are creationists xD
FenderMannen 6 months ago
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@FenderMannen " I guess I have to do the standard Youtube comment = 27 people are creationists xD
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Some of us have to be under achievers :)
xNoReligionx 5 months ago
My first cousins are the apes,Richard Dawkins tell me so,I must love them don't you know,Yes I must love them, yes I must love them, Richard Dawkins tells me so!My cousins are the great apes,because Dawkins told me so,Jesus loves me this I know because the Bible tells me so,the Bible also said that man was totally unique and made in the image of God and that God gave man dominion over all the others species on earth and it is so !
majorl311 6 months ago
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youneekk 6 months ago
if the differences between humans and chimps are that few, and we have the ability to see each one due to our ability to sequence the genome, and we have the ability to splice these genes then the next logical step is to take a chimp genome make the changes and create a human, that would solidify the theory quite nicely. however i seriously doubt it will work.
40something100 6 months ago
Did you know that the (nearly) hairless cat (like from Austin Powers) came from a single gene mutation in Canada? Quite the effective mutation since it has far more descendants than it would have otherwise. And the dog can be seen as the wolf essentially evolving to be adorable enough that another species will care for its young (owned domestic dogs' litter survival rates are much higher than wolf populations). Oh wonderful science....
WhisperShift 6 months ago
but yet, there's still some difference, and that still doesn't prove that human and chimp are exactly the same..
zuloasis 6 months ago
@zuloasis humans and chimps are not exactly the same. It is the circa 1% difference between our genes that makes the difference.
juuonse 6 months ago
Thank Gumby for Richard Dawkins.
MrJohnnyrace 7 months ago