ECT, Electroshock, Electroconvulsive Therapy, Psychiatry

[patbrodnik]

Breaking news in Australia on ECT DEATHS

theage.com.au/victoria/state-u­rged-to-act-on-shocking-death-­rates-in-mental-care-20110904-­1jsh1.html

theage.com.au/victoria/200-psy­ch-patients-died-suddenly-2011­0630-1gt2o.html#ixzz1Qm5tYYoV

electricshocktherapy.info

[mbono81]

I have just had my 5th 'ECT' session in 2 weeks. I'll probably do one more session before stopping. While I haven't seen any improvement, I haven't had any side effects other than muscle. The only people with this memory problems I have seen are the old bitties who were f'ed from the beginning.

[candlelightatnight]

Good grief. This is one of the best discussions on ECT that I've heard. Thank you so much for sharing your story, it's heartbreaking what you've been through. Bless you, please keep hanging in there and work hard to get your mental capacity back. You're still, obviously a well spoken, intelligent, educated, in touch woman. You're gonna be ok:)

[dfowler351976]

the bottom line is you can wikiepdia the controversy over severe brain damage, and see the huge IQ point loss claims yourself. If you are a science oriented person you can read up on the findings of hemorages pinpoint, high current damage, convlusion damage, yourself.

[dfowler351976]

it's not informed consent the hospitals don't believe, or cover up the degree of memory loss, much is permanent, and you have to talk to the right doctors, many abhore the practice, and yes, every survivor I've talked to working at NAMI has whole years gone, look online at "should I do ECT sites?" even about.com or non agenda sites, most of the sites that do not have a bias either way, all you will see is people's lives destoryed by ECT. Most are afraid to admit such disability to their docs.

[dfowler351976]

many if not most have such severe PTSD from the ECT that they are afraid to confront or just talk to their treatment team, or ECT doctors. Doctors have such authority and pull, many former patients are afraid of forced ECT, which happens all the time still in this country. I have no personality now.

[dfowler351976]

I know depression can lead to suicide attempts, and something HAS to be done about that, talk therapy doesn't always work, in extreme cases. ECT is high voltage, inducing convulsions, this is not the answer, too many people end up disabled after the ECT many permanently. There has to be a non invasive treatment, in the future, but we need it now, I know TMS, or magnetic stimulation is being trialed on many, but it does not show much efficacy. most who did ECT, WANTED it to work.

[jmore1971]

I can;t imagine not telling them to ask my family to help make my desision...Mom said as I am a 40 year old adult...they told my family nothing...it was all secret...hmm. That doesn't sound like me...my family knew I sufferd from Bi-polar 1...and I was always open about it as my parents also suffer from and are on meds for depression.

[jmore1971]

12 to 15....I only remeber 2 out patient...There were atleast 12 in the hospital...I have no memorey of being in the hospital....I have no memory of giving concent...So hmmm and what stae of mind was I in when I did sign them?



[duncanstpt]

Apparently ETC treatments don't help you lose weight.

[rusureuwant2know]

Funny, I won't give medical power of attorney for the opposite reason because it takes my right to decide away and leaves it in the hands of another. Right now someone else has the mpa over my elderly mother and she is unable to say no in her lucid moments because someone else has that right. Never, never never sign away your rights to someone else.

[ryotaryuu]

@rusureuwant2know What if you are not capable of making rational decisions, or are unconscious? Keep your supid comments to yourself.

[rusureuwant2know]

@ryotaryuu What's stupid about it? They are doping my mother and I can't do anything about it because someone else has the MPA. If none of us did any one of the family members could help her. BTW, I would have an advance directive so they'd know I didn't want their dope.

[rusureuwant2know]

@ryotaryuu - also, as long as they consider someone competent, it's up to that person to make the decision - this woman is an example of that - she had to be scared enough to stop; they still would have asked a family member if she wasn't, power of attorney or not. Doctors simply don't have the right to override a family member.

[MrSjfrance]

I felt great after my EVTs . They didn't hook me up to happy meter and then tell me I was happy, I just was,well better anyhow. It's been a while since I had a series and being in pain all the time from chronic arthritis. I would look forward to more. It's 2011 NOT! 1930

ECTs are very effective against depression considered by the Mayo Clinic to be the GOLD STANDARD treatment for deppresson. Study it !!! Don't listen to the redneck CRAP !!!!!!!!

[hooters4life95]

EST is the dark ages of medicine, i.e. bloodlettings. I have worked in the mental health field since 73' and only drug improvements in the 80's and since have helped, mood levelers like lithium, haldol shots ect, but lots of these drugs have huge side effects, kidney failure, Tartive,ect. The right combos of drugs i have seen peoples lives change, but more improvement with less side effects is needed.

[rusureuwant2know]

@hooters4life95 Drugs do chemically what lobotomies used to do. These drugs will lead to physcal and cognitive disabilities and an early grave.

[crazypainter72]

Its bot like they force it on anyone but i worked in the ect dept for 9years and seen alot of people get well and for some it didnt work but i hate it when the outside world days bad things about the treatment i wish you could all see what i see and people just thanking me for helping them get better im no doctor or nurse but a nurses aid .

[geoffhummerstone]

i couldn`t agree more...it has to stop! my lovely wife endured this @ bethlem royal in beckenham kent uk.....thanx 4 vid team....we all have 2 try to live with the after effects....in our case 25 yrs & counting....

[DBAnnie76]

I think the fact that you continue to 'need' the treatments speaks volumes about its ineffectiveness...

[Chakirisan]

Betty, I can't really respond to that... I worked in Mental Health, I've seen it in use, seen people turn around-what are your qualifications. I'm not trying to be insensitive... maybe you have had or know someone that had a bad experience, I totally respect that and am sorry. The topic of this discussion is the broad statement that ECT doesn't work.... and that is just false...end of story. Breeding should focus his rant on drug companies....that is where the real crimes are taking place.

[piddleton]

It is amazing how a man with a beared could be this stupid and so misinformed about the publics perception of ECT. The fact is that most people abhorred the thought, probably after having seen One Flew over the cuckoos nest where Jack Nicholson was given ECT without a painkiller. Those times have changed. ECT is now far more human and very effective form of treatment for people with severe depression.

[TaneyCoChCrested]

prior to her coming home from dewitt, she seldom even took asprin, she became as addicted to the pills the dr gave her as a street junkie is to their drugs. she took drugs literally for the side effects of the side effects. Mom died in 2001 and despite my roller coaster childhood i miss her, the mom that loved me before shock treatment. shock treatment should be abolished, it is criminal!

[TaneyCoChCrested]

My Mom was an early ect patient from 1963. we lived in Calif and it was not a short therapy at all. They did it to her under force for about 3 months. Mom was 28 years old, never had been under psych care prior to having her 6th child who had a serious heart condition. it was as if they had killed my Mom and some other person came home in her place. they gave her numerous pills, but i dont know what they were in 1963. i kno0w when i was 15 she was taking meleril elavil and a lot of other pills

[MonacoBlast]

I thought I would never need ECT, but after watching Breeding I'm pretty sure I might need it after all.

[Chakirisan]

.ECT was criminal when it came into use...no sedation, no muscle relaxers... this is not in doubt. What we should be focusing on now is learning from existing therapies to develop less invasive treatments. If you think ECT is evil then I submit drug therapy is twice as evil. Pharmaceutical companies are huge for profit companies with Billions invested in lobbying Washington. Drugs have side effects and the permanent damage is unknown because alot of them are too new. Is alcohol better than ECT?

[Chakirisan]

My evidence is talk to any Psychiatric physician, Nurse or Psych worker who have been around chronically depressed people. Also if you look at the efficacy of drug therapy vs ECT you'll find that it isn't even close. I AM NOT A ADVOCATE for shock therapy...but I do think just claiming it is evil is ignorant....... especially when it relieves the suffering of people who are in tremendous pain. If you haven't been where these people exist on a daily basis...than you have no idea.

[bettydaw1970]

@Chakirisan you mean people that make a living/money off of it?

ect dosent work, their is no basis for its effectiveness...

[Techh76]

it causes permanent brain damage .

[Chakirisan]

ECT is the most effective treatment for depression, especially in the elderly, that exists in the US. More effective than all drugs combined... probably less harmful. I am NOT an advocate for ECT, but having suffered depression for more than half of my life I am sensitive to anyone without personal experience making summary statements. What is the alternative for these people, where is your answer. The slow advances in treatment are frustrating... but there is no conspiracy, just ignorance.

[gjljhjb1]

@Chakirisan Work on ureself or end it that is the only answear

[kzw2zx]

Poorly done and not engaging... but now for content...

Modern ECT isn't the same procedure experienced in the past... and frankly research done specifically to look for physical changes in the brain via CT scan, fMRI, and post-mortem... no abnormalities found.

It -is- a medical procedure in all senses of the term and has risks and benefits associated... with that said ECT is generally an option of last resort when the possible benefits outweigh the risks... again like any medical procedure.

[rollem02]

how was everyone beforehand?

[Jantreigen]

This guy took a ph.d in school psychology, which means he isn`t a clinical psychologist. Who knows what kind of undergrad/grad/postgrad studies he took (probably not even in psychology!). Being as he`s quite old, by the looks of it, the training he received would not even come close to meeting the requirements for a professional psychologist today. This guy is a sharlatan; he poses as a clinical psychologist, without having the proper training, and also claims he`s a professor (of which Uni?!

[seancaney]

this guys about as smart as the shoes hes wearing

[VenezBoy]

I just can say that my doctors and the ECT they applied me saved my life.

Don't believe in persons that just talk bad about some treatment. I received treatment with 3 psychologist during five years, and with 8 sessions of ECT I got out my severe depression. That's my experience !!!

I love life now !!!!

[ChevyJay1]

@VenezBoy

That's because the idiot that makes these videos is a psychologist. Never trust a psychologist when he starts giving doctors advice.

[Wifeofecthusband99]

but being zombie like was also do to his sever depression when i think back on it, the way he was after his first initial ect treatment wasnt any different then his severe bouts of depression when he would stay in bed for weeks not shower not eat well no comunicaiton no light, depression is HORRIBLE. a littel memory loss has been worth it for us! in order to make NEW AND BETTER ONES!!

[manix30000]

am really pleased for you :)although there isnt always a happy ending,friend of mine had the same treatment and it went well wasnt brain damaged or a zombie however he wasnt the same friend i knew,one day he was wearing a suit & tie no job interview just casual wear even at his peak he would never of wore such an abomination to man (his words)to him it be like wearing a dress and against his morel,we soon fell out as he was an abusive bully and see him as a monster,frankenstein prob sums it up

[manix30000]

but still if he really would of killed himself i guess thats better then nothing

[Wifeofecthusband99]

after my husbands first initial treatment i thought he was a zombie for a couple months and did have some memory loss and i hated ect until results were seen but not years worth of loss or why then would a person continue it? but he believed it helped him so over the last 6 years he has continued off and on to get several more ECT tx and maintence ect and memory loss has not progressed and his depression is better at times more then any other treatment has ever helped him.

[Wifeofecthusband99]

i'm saddened by anyone with problems with depression and overall i hope she gets better or at least stays stable. ECT may not have been right for her but can be a life savor for others.

[Wifeofecthusband99]

overall she should have had much stronger support and care from her family to make sure ect was right for her and that the consents were understood maybe even keeping a journel would have been a good idea for her and her family so she could not lose her ability to remember the consent process, the ect explanation and the fact that NO ONE can tell you what to do, she had a CHOICE to end it or even being hospitalized. KNOW YOUR RIGHTS and speak up.

[Wifeofecthusband99]

depression it self can have poor memory, concentration, lack of care to take care of oneself all the things she spoke about may have been because of severe depression it self. Depression is hard to understand and except from loved ones and even patients themselves so naturally we seek a cause of it and because ect was done so soon after her suicide attempt its easy to c why ect would be blamed. because of the severity of her condition (her suicide attempt that may be why ect was quickly started.

[Wifeofecthusband99]

i will take some memory loss over being a widow its worth that cost as long as it doesnt exceed the benefits.

[Wifeofecthusband99]

Ect has helped my husband and he is on once a month maintence Ect as well, ect if possitive wears off so maintence may have to be continuted if medicaitons dont help or keep a patient stable after Ect treatment. this video and story is sad but i think it is scaring people from something that may save their lives. not everyone responds the same so why protest it as if it were "crack" cause we know for sure thats not good for anyone.

[macdisciple]

@reneenicolea...You state that ECT kept you alive. Yet you say you would not do it again, given the chance. By that logic, I guess you want to die. Is that right?

[SuicideisBrainLess]

You can be coerced easily enough to sign any papers. signatures can also be forged, or put on papers later with coersion. You can be drugged. WHATEVER. You do not know whats going on or what people are doing. I can not understand why a scared woman would put herself in stranger's hands. Sometimes you HAVE to just deal with things alone or if you just dont have any friends you can always use the internet, like here. Personally i am against ECT and i agree with psychetruth on this. SCARY!

[smoothfags]

From 1967 - 1980 age 16 - 29, i had in excess of 200 ect`s. At age 16, and, as i was too young to sign the consent form, my Mother did that for me but, as the yrs went by, no-one asked me to sign another form. Like the lady, my memory suffered badly, i still have memory probs and, this is after 30yrs.

The reason i stopped it myself, was it almost killed me. The last treatment, the nurse who, drew up the injection, didn`t check ( nor did anyone else check ) that the dose was only half.

[DarkrDrmr]

I so relate to her memory problems, except instead of losing days I have lost years, and it has been that way all my life, and I haven't had any shock treatments or mental healthcare (that I remember, LOL). But you learn to deal with it by developing memory helps, and life gets easier, and you lost a lot of the fear of not being able to remember because you realize that it might be a good thing not to remember (except when it comes to cooking). Memory is the past. We live in the here and now.

[clintonearlwalker]

ECT scares me to death. At the very best I could only describe it as "experimental". At worst, torture. People with mental problems quite simply have something wrong with thier brain. Some worse than others. The human brain is SUPER complicated and I don't think anyone understands exactly how it works. Apparently, architechture, ice picks, fresh air, electricity, restraints, drugs, enemas or other things don't fix it. Some help some people a little, but no one knows.

[elacdude]

this guy talks soooooo slow as if he "survived" electroshock therapy himself

[HarunaSahra]

Note how he says "survivors".

[Psychebert]

what are your opinions on ALPHA STIM????

[gepkedeleef]

Google en zie Youtube Gepke de Leef

[monarchgirl1991]

people dont know that it is good for them

[Februarytwelve]

hi....I am about to have ECT done for first time due to my condition with bipolar disorder II ( i am felling very depressed lately ) i have been on meds for more than two years and nothing is going on...the truth is that i am really scared about the procedure because a lot of people is talking a lot of negative things about it, including memory loss ....please let me know how ECT have change your life

thank you !

[TheNestling]

@Februarytwelve DON'T DO IT!!!!!!!!!

[Sox20009]

@Februarytwelve Don't do it! It can screw up ur life and it can kill u!

[ensignz]

this guy is associated with SCIENTOLOGY. Shut your ears!

[sweetiepie212121]

This is torture, I will not ever agree with this treatment. of hell, acting like monsters.

[danielmurray04]

hope you all feel good giving each other awards.

[danielmurray04]

what the hell are you trying to do John? Do you even see?

[Nurse613]

"anti-socialism" this lady who claims to be a nurse sounds like a retard...  The correct word there is "isolation". Typically people who are depressed tend to isolate themselves from friends, social situations, and the outside world. It's a symptom of depression. It's not a result of the ECT.

[Nurse613]

So when you try 1st generation antidepressents, then 2nd generation, then 3rd generation, and mood stabilizers, and the person is still profoundly depressed and multiple suicide attempts, then what? This lady says there are so many other treatments. So what else does she know of that I don't?

[Nurse613]

LOL phoney baloney... the 'sister' sitting next to her is coaching her by writing down what she wants her to say and then sliding the paper over so she can see it. ECT is a proven therapy for depression that does not respond to medications.

[MenaceTX]

Your a quack! ECT has saved my life. You obviously have your facts mixed up. Your efforts will fail because ECT is a proven effective treatment that has saved hundreds. Stop your HATE CAMPAIGN!

[danielmurray04]

You could get it right ... it's elctro convulsive therapy. Your ignorance is unbelievable.

[fulekkei]

Where's your data to show it is effective? You can't just say that without support, and then say that since Breeding's not a doctor no one should listen to him.

I don't have a fully formed opinion about ECT yet, but I think this kind of story should never happen.

[imarealnewbie]

just fyi, it's kind of hard to post PDF journals on youtube comment boxes. I suggest you look them up yourself like on pubmed.

[nk1218]

Check it out on wikipedia then. He doesn't SHOW the data, but what he's saying is based on statistic data.

[tigerpick]

@fulekkei Breeding IS a doctor, hence the "PhD" after his name.

[fulishproductions]

@tigerpick I believe you misunderstood; please see the comment I responded to, by "shadoobee23", which is marked as spam. Shadobe claimed that since this man wasn't an MD no one should listen to him; I was countering that claim, stating that since shadobe failed to provide evidence that shock therapy is effective, HE was the one no one should listen to.

And then the jackass had the gall to tell me to look shit up on pubmed. Instead of FINDING ME THE REFERENCE HIMSELF. christ.

[fulishproductions]

@tigerpick FYI this is fulekkei on my second channel.

So in conclusion, when I said "just because he's not a doctor" I meant, medical doctor. I was just using his vernacular.

[piddleton]

@fulekkei actually fnding the data on the effectiveness of ECT is very easy. Pubmed contains plenty of studies which support its use in people with severe depression. I have spoken to people who have had ECT and most of them were happy with the treatment, a few were worried about the potential side effects but they did admit not to have encountered them yet. I have yet to meet somebody with severe amnesia although I don't deny that it probably exists from time to time.

[hooters4life95]

@fulekkei I believe most if not all genuine mental illness results from a chemical imbalance in the brain, fully treatable with the right combination of medicine. passing electricity across the temperal lobes of the brain is akin to lobotomize (drilling) the frontal lobes, barbaric......real disorders, bi-polar, schizo-effective, A-typical are never treatable without lifelong medication, no exceptions it does not heal or go away, but can be managed as so the patient can resume life.

[rusureuwant2know]

@hooters4life95 There is no chemical imbalance; go watch Robert Whitaker's expose "Anatomy of an Epidemic" - chemical analysis of cerebrospinal fluid for healthy and depressed people has the same bell curve.

[nk1218]

I'm majoring psychology in undergrad, but I know how these drugs work. So I

m sure he is well educated. Yeah, you are right that shock therapy is ok for people who is really going to suicide, because THEY WILL LOSE SOME TYPES OF MEMORY AFTER ECT. But they will also have lower recognition. I will tell you one thing. Psychiatrist is not better than psychologist(you need Ph.D to be Psychologist by the way). They are both necessary.

[shadoobee23]

If you would like to be taken seriously, learn to write comments in a coherent manner. Your comment appears as it was written by a twelve year old.

[shadoobee23]

BTW, EST is not a drug! LOL

[umahuma4]

electrocution murder.

[reneenicolea]

i've had 43 treatments (as of today), and it has been the only thing to consistently help my suicidal depression.

i am also in talk/congnitive therapy and on medications.

[garciare1]

I'm curious what other treatment options were made available to you and were your talk/cognitive therapy initiated before or after ETP sessions began.

[reneenicolea]

well, i ended up having a total of over 80 treatments. i stopped them earlier this month. it really affected my memory; way more than i realized.

i had been in talk therapy for many years and cog therapy both inpatient and through outpatient 1/2 day programs twice.

nothing was touching my deep suicidal depression.

they also mentioned vagus nerve stuff.

[HarunaSahra]

@reneenicolea What was it like?

[reneenicolea]

@HarunaSahra For awhile I believed I was doing the right thing. I kept believing it because I wasn't dead yet; the suicidal urges had passed. I had over 80 treatments by the time I was done, and only now do I realize the terrible mental losses I have suffered. My memory is heinous. I couldn't read for a long time. (I forgot how) I am grateful I did it because it kept me alive, and it was an answer when I didn't have one. I probably wouldn't do it again, though, given the chance.

[reneenicolea]

@HarunaSahra For awhile I believed I was doing the right thing. I kept believing it because I wasn't dead yet; the suicidal urges had passed. I had over 80 treatments by the time I was done, and only now do I realize the terrible mental losses I have suffered. My memory is heinous. I couldn't read for a long time. (I forgot how) I am grateful I did it because it kept me alive, and it was an answer when I didn't have one. I probably wouldn't do it again, though, given the chance.

[LoveGrownCold]

@reneenicolea If I constantly abused you telling you to correct a certain behavior, you'd act like I want you to as well. Except in this manner, you may or may not be a willing participant to correct this behavior, allowing for such abuse until you do change your behavior. I can do the same thing with a bat and get the same results.

[reneenicolea]

@LoveGrownCold believe me, I am no stranger to abuse; I was raised by Svengali. Perhaps this makes me more susceptible, perhaps it doesn't. Overall, I had a total of 80+ treatments. Yes, I am suffering the consequences of it. Am I alive because of it? Yes. Would I do it again knowing what I know now? No.

[climz1989]

@reneenicolea suck a dick

[Dorothyloewen]

The memery lost could come from the overdose of trying to killing herself not from ECT

ECT works my mom had treatments 20 years ago and is still well befor the ECT she was like a crazy person

would sit on floor play dolls like a 3 year old thanks to ECT

[rtupin1956]

Thank you Dr. Breeding for your work on behalf of those of us who might not be able to speak for ouselves. I went through a long period of depression as a result of working as a psych nurse. I am now disabled and living on SSDI. I wouldn't go to a psychiatrist for help even if I was suicidal. I would however seek help from a good counselor or a psychologist. I think psychiatry is a detrimental therapy because it usually includes heavy doses of dangerous drugs.

Again, thank you for your work!

[rtupin1956]

The sister said Ambien under her breath when she was talking about sleepwalking. I took Ambien and I went outside naked one time, I not only sleepwalked but I would sleep cook and ate. This is a dangerous drug so if it is prescribed for you please be careful and research the side effects.

[LatinaAmante]

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[in2utube2]

Has there bee ANY research done on the possible effects ECT could have on the unborn fetus? My mother had over 33 ECT treatments on 1962, while 5 months pregnant .

[poosaypirate]

just a question - pregnant with you ?

[LORDGODSIRALEXFERGIE]

This is a very good question! I dont know that we need research - common sense dictates than it cannot possibly do anything but damage. Thanks for the insightful comment.

[Xavid777]

ECT has been indicated for pregnant women w/ refractory depression and mood disorders d/t the fact virtually all mood stabilizers are teratogenic.

[fuzzbox5150]

memory loss IS brain damage you stupid idiot

[GordonsAllSeeingEye]

no past no future only the present...that's what ECT does to you

[Yatukih001]

My mom was put on electroshock and treated as crazy , her life was put to ruins and she died an alcoholic before christmas day a few weeks ago.

Thingvellir,

[poosaypirate]

im sorry ! good luck and god bless

[LadyJustice666]

Tears wash the soul and is good for us.

Tears are NATURAL.

[LadyJustice666]

They tried this on my son in Ireland 1995.

BARBARIC.

No psychiatrist was needed to sign concent- a social worker could do this.

We need to wake up, as this goes on in secret.

[ndtoknw]

lol LEHMANN108 PICKS OUT READING MATERIAL THAT HAVE COVERS CONDUCIVE TO TO HIS MENTALITY.....Why would anyone pick out a book for its content? lmo

[Lehmann108]

You need better grooming. It undermines your credibility when you present this way.

[ObamaBinBiden2010]

Google Doctors Serve As Middleman Pushers

[HallowCreek]

I've seen, first hand, ECT implemented with conscious-sedation. The procedure is violent and barbaric. A basic understanding of the A&P of the brain would induce the understanding: these Txs are NOT effective.

[aurits88]

hi someone there, i want to suggest you to add subtitles in spanish to your videos, i know it's difficult, takes a lot of time maybe...but there're people who is very interesting in these videos but they can´t understand them because of the language :s that`s a pitty...maybe instead of adding subtitiles you could give us the info in writing format. please do something when you can, thanks :) keep up with the great videos!

[andrtaker]

does canada provide ECT? or can it only be provided to a ceratin country?

[ChrysalisBound]

unfortunately yes. shock treatment 'therapy' is oftentimes performed in canada.

[nognogcbp]

it is still performed in the philippines

[corycallihan]

Did anyone notice the eye movement besides me!!

She was accessing the memory cortex as described in the FBI manual for interrogation and as a result telling the truth!! Excellent video!!

P.S. the hand fidgeting was also conducive of a nervous person unable to construct a preprogrammed or coached falsehood in that respect the hand movement and the access of the cortex is leaves no room for falsehoods. She simply was telling the truth..

[danieltowsey]

Here in Nova Scotia Canada..they do it..but they sedate the patients so their bodies do not move or go into confulsions...

It's vodoo medicine, like all of psychiatry is..go see the movie "psychiatry industry of death"

remember the cure for mental illness is truth for without truth all there is is insanity.

[darlingtester1982]

Good Video Thank for letting us know!!!

[smartkropp]

Nobody else can see their own face... So who sees all the faces?

[c16467]

What needs to happen is to call, visit or write your legislators and demand that this "treatment" and its administration becomes outlawed. Do it now.

[Wisdombychoice]

How cruel can they be? To use something so awful and barbaric...all for the sake of increasing their bottom line... b$st@rds!!!

[quarknimble]

antipsychotics are their handcuffs

[zezt]

some people will ASSUME that the merely total incompetence of the 'mental health' industry is exactly that. Well many do about 9/11 and the governments role in it. well LOOK DEEPER!

[peacepassion]

Um, what?

[zezt]

I repeat. Many imagine that the incompetance of the 'mental health' industry is fluke. Not planned. I beg to differ.

Same so for 9/11. many believe that it was merely incompetance. But I know it was meticulously planned by same mindset who devises such mindcontrol as 'mental health' industry.

[peacepassion]

Hmm, a little paranoid are we? Just kidding. I think that 9/11 did not happen how the government portrayed it either. I see modern psychiatric medications work wonders; to be blunt, I see it change people from yelling, assaultive, poop-smearing entities into kind people with goals and a sense of humor.

[zezt]

are you being serious with your last remark?

[peacepassion]

yep

[zezt]

does that observation include Bush and family and the rest of em?

[peacepassion]

ha ha, you're hilarious... and no; we never have much luck treating stupid.

[zezt]

whose "we"

[peacepassion]

"we" is all of us who are watching you and conspiring against you. Dude chill...

[zezt]

do you work in 'mental health'?

you seem to suggest you do?

What as?

[peacepassion]

I'm a psychiatric registered nurse.

[zezt]

right. that explains the chillling Orwellian 'reassurance' then...!

[peacepassion]

yeah.  glad you're satisfied.

[zezt]

i wouldn't call is 'satisfaction' myself.

[poosaypirate]

why am i not suprised by this revelation ?

[TheGiantRobot]

Ooh, video 186 - the number of the truth, the psychetruth.

I didn't watch the whole video, but what I watched was good. People need to know how dangerous that industry is. They have way too much authority and won't hesitate to lock people up and pump them full of drugs or electricity if given half a chance.

[espantalho42]

I think of all this as a metaphor of the tiranny of the mental majority- their cops are the psychiatrits

What they refer to as mental disease- I see as MENTAL DIVERSITY, phenotypic diversity... as a veterinary student, I learned diseases are characterized mostly by neoplasia or inflammation or necrosis... none of which have been proven by the psychiatric class

[peacepassion]

I embrace mental diversity, but how would you feel if a schizophrenic is chasing your 3-year old through a grocery store with a large rock because he believes that your toddler is the reincarnation of Hitler or something. Should we embrace that or get the schizophrenic somewhere safe and help their brain chemistry balance to a point where they share a reality with the majority of society?

[espantalho42]

As for her movement impairments, I was wondering is it possible it resulted from the drugs prescribed and not ect(tardive dyskinesia).

I was through 5 ect agressions last month (stopped outta my own will), also had the argument of not recalling signing anything- to which they replied- 'I can show you> YOUR SIGNATURE'

My movement and memorization habilities are recovering now(I hope), though I havent had enough time for a more thourough evaluation. I was using a cane till a week ago though

[Magicianxox]

o0o interesting!

[Reflectivemind]

ECT is barbaric...the drugs arent much better