@Shadowlooker12 If against Christianity, a correct text (NKJV) starting from mathew 16:14 So they said, Some say John the Baptist, some Elijah, and others Jeremiah or one of the prophets. 15 He said to them, But who do you say that I am? 16 Simon Peter answered and said, You are the Christ, the Son of the living God. 17 Jesus answered and said to him, Blessed are you, Simon Bar-Jonah, for flesh and blood has not revealed this to you, but My Father who is in heaven.
Mark 8: 28-30 And Jesus went out, and his disciples, into the towns of Caesarea Philippi: and by the way he asked his disciples, saying unto them, Whom do men say that I am? 28And they answered, John the Baptist: but some say, Elias; and others, One of the prophets. 29And he saith unto them, But whom say ye that I am? And Peter answereth and saith unto him, Thou art the Christ. 30And he charged them that they should tell no man of him. I'm pretty sure that alone explains it.
If it's corrupted, how can you rely on it's text? and then when Christians point out something "it's corrupted" looooool, but when they need it to try to prove something false on their side it's not.....smh. The bible does not mention Islam or Muslims or Mohammed yet they claim it does in original text or not. They bold face lie and say Jesus never said e was God, when you can pick up the bible, original text and read it and what he said, this "debate" is always illogical on the Muslim side.
Christians were told in the bible to not even make Idols of such Nature, let alone Kiss them (which is a form of worship). And it's ridiculous how Muslims say "The Bible is corrupted" (Torah & Injeel) by the time Mohammad was born YET in their Qur'an Mohammad says it wasn't and he trust the book THEY(The Jews) still had in HIS time. Then on top of that, they say it's corrupted, but keep referring to it to try to prove Mohammed is talked about in it *FACEPALM.
And I can't beleive some Muslims keep confusing Christianity with Catholicism, which you see some Christians going against because of the Mary worship, Idol/Saint worship etc. I shook my head when a caller called into ABN and asked the question to Sam Shamoun & David wood "How can God sleep with Mary" and "How can God be 3 Gods, God the son, God the father and Mary" *Facepalm. Another Muslim when confronted about Kissing the Black stone in Mecca said "Christians kiss statues of Mary" *Facepalm
hi, im a muslim and im most likely younger than you, but the funny thing is your the one who is not using your common sense, from what i see all your videos are passionately abusing Islam in every way possible, personally that scares the crap out of me why are you tracking down this religion like this? if you don't like it and think that it is harming people...then why are YOU harming others? P.S im not gonna swear at you but i think you should do something more productive hon ;)
@SuperNation22 We condemn this "cult" (not religion) because of what it proclaims. Yeah there are some funny vids along the way. The only harm to others is via the spread of Islam....
And I see your page is nothing but Islamic video...So what's your point? Seriously. Quit whining. You post what you want to, and I post what I want to. Your right to free speech doesn't in any way supersede mine. I can talk about or post anything within the TOS....Don't like it, don't visit my channel...
@SuperNation22 1 John 2:22 Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is an anti-Christ, that denieth the Father and the Son.
John 3:18 He that believes on him is not condemned: but he that believes not is condemned already, because he has not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.
SHAME on you surely you have no nothing in your life to do better than insulting someone's religion! in your previous videos those FAKE burka girls were screaming ...WHAT THE ARE YOU TRYING TO ACCOMPLISH? im trying to be mean but i think you should use your life in a more productive manner..just sayin
@SuperNation22 This video has nothing to do with Islam. People aren't allowed to post bloopers? Believe me, I've worked in a much more productive manner showing the filth of Islam. This was funny and I posted it. Matter a fact I got the excerpt from a video posted by "Muslimbychoice".....So how dare you attempt to tell me to quit posting things when your own side was the instigator.
@SuperNation22 Classic, When you point out things about peoples beliefs and they don't like it, instead of standing up for the belief they say "Oh do something more productive" "oh you have nothing better to do" oh please, you want to try to ask what your accomplishing now eh. For a Christian, this is not "attacking" Islam at all, would you say to someone who disagrees with racism your "attacking racism" when they point out it's wrong? faults? illogical points? No, you'd agree it's wrong. pffft
@SuperNation22 Stop trying to give things pass just because you do not agree with it. If you were mature, regardless of age, you'd sit there and think about the arguments against Islam, do diligent study, use common sense and logic, ask questions, not just try to bail out because the heat is bothering you. I saw a 14 year old on youtube who claims to be an Atheist asking questions about Christianity, pointing out Christians have a good point and such, if he can think, others can too.
Nadir Ahmed is a big joke, he boasts that his the best Muslim Apologist in the United States when clearly he is a big failure, i feel sorry him. I would be so ashamed of a man with this much arrogance and ignorance to defend my faith. He belongs in the 3 stooges of Islam: Osama "The Great" Abdallah, Sami "The Beast" Zaatari, and Nadir "The Predator" Ahmed. These are probably the worst debaters in History of Christian-Muslim dialogue!
You know, MT, I made Shamoun's challenge to Estes into a video. It's had lots of views, lots of excuses for Estes' cowardice, but not a single comment of acceptance. I think it's past time to put Muslims under a GroLite, water them 2X/week, and treat them like the potted plants they are.
@Welle92 OK quit. You can claim contradictions from Shair Ali's site, and theres an answers page for it. Don't waste you time cutting and pasting from a website. Go read the answers site and if you don't agree with those answers bring them back and we'll clear them up. But don't spam my videos.
@Welle92 Don't tell us.....we know what you guys think. Tell it to Nadir Achmed who gets confused in this debate. It's pretty much over once you forget what position your backing...
Exaclty he is not a debater, he juts wanted to speak about Islam, no wonder he got confused, HE IS NOT A DEBATER(:
Disgusting? prove it!
Here are a some nice verses from the bible :
The people of Samaria must bear their guilt, because they have rebelled against their God. They will fall by the sword; THEIR LITTLE ONE WILL BE DASHED TO THE GROUND, THEIR PREGNANT WOMEN WILL BE RIPPED OPEN."(Hosea 13:16)
@Welle92 Incorrect. He thinks he's a debater, and even puts himself in the debate circut. That's not just speaking.
Whats so disgusting about that it? This is Israelites that are going to be destroyed right? Samaria was the capitol of the 12 tribes, and they were going to be destroyed for disobeying God. All over the Bible there are the stories of disobedient people (including Jews) and Gods wrath. I have a problem with wife beating, and making girls to young for menses wait for a divorce.
@Welle92 See the problem is, when I read you books I look at all the literature to understand its meaning. When you read a Bible verse, you don't even know why your quoting it or who it's even about.
This is the same level of stupidity that says "Islam condemns the killing of any man as it like killing all of humanity", when the verse is taken out of context, and it's the Jews the verse is talking to and not the Muslims.
Sometimes we just get tired of the horse crap were expected to swallow.
@Welle92 My problem with Islam isn't that your god calls for my extermination. If your god was real, I would understand this command, as I would refuse to ever submit. My problems with Islam are much deeper moral problems it creates. Theres no way a person like me should have better morals then a god. Sadly this is the case in Islam.
Here's the end game for Islam:
If you're non-violent, you are so in spite of Islam, and not because of it...
I am non-violent and a muslim,but ofcourse if someone attacked me i would fight back, if they gave up i would give up an make peace.
Prophet Muhammad met a man who had killed and cut of all the bodie parts of one of his closest friends, what did Muhammad do? he spoke kindly to this man, and did not use violence, and this man accepted Islam!
@Welle92 It has nothing to do with "fighting back". The verses of Sura 9 clearly state, that after the sacred months, 1400 years ago, there is to be "NO" peace. You're to slay them where you find them. This isn't a command for a certain group at a certain time. Its from that certain time on. Muslims ignore context. They don't observe it for the Bible or their own beliefs. And we realize you don't have problems with people that "accept" Islam. The problem is those that "refuse" Islam.
This verse was sent to Prophet Muhammad(pbuh) at specific time! and the verse 9:28-29 says "after this year", so the verse was (as i said) only sent down for a specific time, because Muhammad(pbuh) had many Pagan arabs against him, they where plotting to attack and kill him, and they tried this many times, but (All praise be to God) they won the battles.
You must realise if this verse is as you think it is, then you would see every muslim trying to kill every non-muslim
@Welle92 No moron.....after this year you can attack(It's open ended It never gives a time stop, and hadith tell us this time extends till the end days when the rock will cry out there is a jew behind me"). Up till the end of the holy time you can't attack
What don't you understand about that?
And yes you're a bad Muslim for not killing all the "non-believers" you come in contact with.
@Welle92 You're an idiot. I told you Hos 13:16 is about the fate the Jewish tribes of Samaria would receive from the Assyrians for discordance to God. You have no idea what the verse and chapter you're trying to quote even means. Your post makes no sense. But you're frustrated trying to use "evilbibledotcom". See If I was a Assyrian fighting Jews, you might have a point, but since your lost....
So but is that how to kill women and children, slaughter them like this? this is your word of God? i have an perfect idea! i have never heard of this site..and i always read the full chapter...
@Welle92 The verse you quoted had no instructions for the "believers". Like I said it was a description of what was "going" to happen.
There's no contradiction in the Bible. There's only a lack of understanding. Now this could be perspective, or simply trying to view the Bible though the warped lens of Islam.
You can say you understood it all you want. The proof you didn't was that you thought this was instructions to the Jews. I can say the sky's forest green. Doesn't mean it's true.
@MirroringTruth Assyrians PLANNED WHAT???? excuse me before you speak of other people who you have no fucking knowledge of , you need to first know WHO YOU ARE AND WHERE YOU CAME FROM
13 “But you have cultivated wickedness and harvested a thriving crop of sins. You have eaten the fruit of lies— trusting in your military might, believing that great armies could make your nation safe. 14 Now the terrors of war will rise among your people.
This prooves that i am not a bad muslims by not killing others(non-believers):
Allah does not forbid you respecting those who have not made war against you on account of (your) religion, and have not driven you forth from your homes, that you show them KINDNESS AND DEAL WITH THEM JUSTLY; surely ALLAH LOVES DOERS OF JUSTICE. [60:8]
@Welle92 How do you get that you're a "good Muslim" if you're commanded to kill the unbelievers till the final days? 60.8 sounds like a wonderful verse. Muhammad was just entering Mecca. Problem is 9.29 sets the new agenda. Your god revealed something "better". Again, the lack of Muslim "context" even with their own materials. It's sad really.
@Welle92 I never said that verse did say that. I looked at the commands as a whole.
We know from 9.5 we have a start of the aggressions (after the holy months)
We know from 9.29 we know who (The people of the book- both Jews and Christians are noted as such)
We know from Sahih Muslim Book 041, Number 6985, that there's no way the "last hour" will come till: "The last hour would not come unless the Muslims will fight against the Jews and the Muslims would kill them"
@Welle92 Continued: So from those 3 verses we can see the that from after the time of the sacred months, until the Jews are hiding behind rocks in the last days, it's the Muslim position that they be killed.
You're free to show me decree that was written after 9.5/29, that says to befriend the Jews till you have to kill them at the later date (before the last hour).
@Welle92 No I answered it: You just didn't listen. You'd think that verse wouldn't be disgusting to Muslims considering it tells of the impending slaughter the Jews or Sameria would face at the hands of the Assyrians.
What!? Did I just hear what I think I heard? "That we have established the bible, that the guran is corrupted." @ :26 sec.
Sam must of put a spanking on this guy made him so nervous that he said the right thing about the bible and confesses the bible establishes that the quran is corrupted. WAY TO GO SAM U CHECKED THIS GUY!!!
Jesus said:"And he said, "The Son of Man must suffer many things and be rejected by the elders, chief priests and teachers of the law, and he must be killed and on the third day be raised to life." Luke 9:22
"From that time on Jesus began to explain to his disciples that he must go to Jerusalem and suffer many things at the hands of the elders, chief priests and teachers of the law, and that he must be killed and on the third day be raised to life."Matt.16:21
Muslims say they never saw a Muslim lose a debate. Who are you fooling? I heard debates in Youtube. The latest I heard was between Deedat and Shorosh. I'm sure Shorosh won but Muslims cheer to make it look like they won but it was very obvious that Deedat was all twisting the Chrsitian facts. I don't care what they say because I expect they would always protect their faith, But what I can say is that Deedar should have been a lawyer, not a religious or a Muslim scholar. RIP Mr Deedat.
The audio isn't fake. There was no video as it was an audio debate, but it was taken from a video posted by MuslimbyChoice. I added the animation for comic levity. I never claimed this was what Nadir Achmed looks like.
It's only meant to show how confused Muslim apologist are in a debate without making people listen to 2 hours worth......
Yaeah , lets talk about the DIVINITY of Jesus!!! I will PROVE to you from JESUS OWN WORDS that He is DIVINE! Lets roll, voiceofreasoning!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
you are wrong. modern day christianity is a roman pagan relegion. in greek/roman mythology they believed that the gods would be able to have children with mortal women (same thing in christianity). people claim islam to be violent? just read the bible my friend there are verses talking of destroying whole towns killing the cattle, killing suckling infants, leaving nothing that breathes alive, and raping 3 year old girls! can this be from god?????
yep! Isalm is VIOLENT!! just read ur QURAN! guess on that basis of thought you will have to reject Islam too, huh! Muhammad raped,enslaved tortured,robbed , beheaded, murdered whole towns and cities...and HE is believed by muslims to be the FINAL word from god(little g) at least Jesus NEVER sinned or did ANY of the disgusting evil muhammad did,gangsta..btw, Islam is just PAGAN arab mythology that was spoken about in Old Testament as DETESTABLE to God Yahweh
hmm maybe you could provide us with some evidence, and if Christianity is modern then what is islam? who can a 2000 old religon be modern day religion? and of course you have the Bible from cover to cover if so then you skipped this
Jeremiah 31
3 The LORD appeared to us in the past, saying: "I have loved you with an everlasting love; I have drawn you with loving-kindness.
Yes there is many such things which is discribed in the Bible but all such acts were done by Muslims.
Just as it was done in Kabier is Saudi arabia by your Leader Mohd. Read ur book Quran & open ur eyes. Islam is the way to hell & Allah is the devil and God of islam
lmao i read the quran every night before i sleep and i KNOW its the truth and way to heaven.! did u know muhammad is only mentioned bout 5 times in quran by name?
Do you know what proof means? How can you prove when Jesus himself says he is weak without God and he even refused to accept that he is even good. Where is his Gospel and the other Gospels are not even their because they are according to some unknown person.
God doesn't eat, drink,sleep and doesn't do anything that Jesus did. All these are proof that he is just a human and also he even refused to be called good master and he did not approve of that too. In fact he is an elected God like elected president. Peacechild perhaps you don't know the meaning of divine. Just because somebody is holy, he doesn't become God.
Personally I have no idea if he has. I've only met the man once.
But I think it's no secret he was a Atheist, and by proxy sinned much more then he does now. So what if this old sin consisted of beating up his father? He would have had to ask forgiveness from his dad and God. Not me. Not you. He also has no obligation to confess his sins to you since you're not God, or the one he sinned against.
R Muslims so desperate they think parading any past transgressions dims his statements about Islam?
Every Christian preacher will never allow people to communicate with them or debate with them or ask questions because they cannot answer intelligent question on a kind of fairy tale that is blindly accepted as the truth. The truth without substance.
if everything was simply logical as muslims always want logic why would we even need revelation when you could discern all that is logical without god? my point is sometimes you need to look deeper!
What I found funny was the beginning of this debate. When the Islam defender defines what corrupts a book, then by that definition the English version of the Quran is corrupt... SMH at the praise of the pedophile....
[5:44] We have sent down the Torah,* containing guidance and light.
[5:46] Subsequent to them, we sent Jesus, the son of Mary, .. We gave him the Gospel,.. CONFIRMING the previous scriptures, the Torah, and augmenting its guidance and light,.
Therefore the Torah was CORRECT at the time of Jesus.
So just WHEN were the Scriptures supposed to have been altered?
And WHY would Jewish people, AFTER they'd rejected Jesus, write in all those Scriptures that prophesy about Jesus?
have you got a gospel of jesus? no. you got gospels according to mark luke john and mathew. so try again. bring a gospel that is from jesus.
and the torah given to moses is not the one you see today. certainly it aint the old testament. a dirty filthy book you wont even read to your children
This is an ignorant reply. You don't have a Sura written by Muhammad or Allah either. So by your logic the Quran is also useless, as is any history not written by the person committing the acts. Get a brain. Consistency of argument moron....pffft
Don't be a parrot, show us proof of another "Torah" other then what we use.
So you have 2 jobs:
Bring proof of the Quran penned by Allah himself (not a scribe taking down Muhammad's words)
And by the exact same criteria, When Muhammad received his "revelations", he didn't turn to someone and say jot this down. See it's fine to set up a criteria from which to judge any work of iniquity, but the methods that work for one book, works for another as well.
And I don't need to try again, as you failed to grasp the consistency argument the first time and only reiterated your bias in textural criticism.
when prophet muhammed receceived his revelations people memorised it, wrote it down on whatever they could find. there are 10 famous hafiz of quran with zaid ibn thbait and salim being the most famous of them all.
unlike christianity where mark luke mathew and john never met jesus and never wrote his gospel down.
Your own admission, portions were memorized. Not written down. You know as well as I that when Islamic soldiers died in Al- Yemama, that Abu-Bakr was told by Umar he was afraid portions of the Qur'an would be lost. Now if these were all jotted down and not just committed to memory, it wouldn't have been a problem.
Besides..still didn't fulfill your requirements. I need books penned by Allah or Muhammad himself. If your holding the Bible to that standard, give us those from the Quran as well.
mirroring truth, for once try to understand what i am saying.
there are 10 famous memorisers of the quran with zaid ibn thabit the most famous of them all. he was present with the prophet as he read the complete quran with archangel gabriel twice. these memorisers have all learned the quran. they quran was jotted down by writing and by memorisation. that's how it was prserved to this day.
I don't care if there are a billion famous people memorized the Qur'an. If you're holding the Bible to this standard, I want to see a copy of the books written by Allah himself or by Muhammad. And the rest of your post have no bearing on us establishing the same criteria for both. So when you post, or message me with the place I can research these books written by Allah or Muhammad we can continue on. Otherwise your inconsistency of argument will not be tolerated.
Hmm so now none of the disciples never meet or knew JESUS are you sure abt this where's your proof, you se we have manuscripts dating way before muhammad and even he said that the Bible was reliable so now what? So what happen between muhammad and now be careful how you answer as I said we have manuscripts dating before muhammad, and wheres your manuscripts of the quran do you have the original ones?
When I sit at desk and dictate to my secretary to type what I dictate, I is I am the one who is typing in a virtual sense but when it comes to Mathew, Mark,Luke and John, it is not the same because they did not write but somebody else is claiming that it is according to. So Mark doesn't have say according to mark, at least he could endorsed it by saying this my account. But the Qur'an is not the same as you say, it is memorized and written down by his companions instantly.
BTW God doesn't writes down anything but he create people to do it virtually everything. Qur'an is clearly saying that Muhammad (S) was not a learned person who never wrote anything before.
(29:48) "And you did not read before it any book, nor did you write one with your right hand, for then those, who say untrue things, could have doubted."
sorry - ur fact are mixed up - mark and john were his diciples - furtheremore the quran also had codices and different copies - out of four copies , only Hafsas copy was kept and the other destroyed - and lastly, Muhammad(sas) heard someone recite differently and said it was ok - so the question is - do we have the original quuran 2day - esp considering those copies never had any punctuation
If there are different copies of the Qur'an, then you should be able to produce them. They are not different copies but the real Qur'an, almost all of them had it in their memories too as well and also as written forms in various material like hides. What destroy was written in different dialect but the Qur'an was revealed to the Prophet in the language of the Qyraish tribe. continues
Even today Qur'an is allowed to recite in 6 different styles but it is the same Qur'an. The Arabs know their language and non-Arabs need that punctuation, not Arabs they can read it without them. Just get a News Paper in Arabic, you won't find that punctuation. Those letters are called Damma-Kasr. The Qur'an we have it is the original. Every Qur'an is original and if you want the oldest Qur'an you can find that in the Museum of Turkey.
"the torah given to moses is not the one you see today"
We have the dead sea scrolls which contain all of the books of the Old Testament except for Ruth and they perfectly match the Bible we have today. That alone disproves Islam. Denial of this is irrational considering we have evidence of this and all you have is a book formed from the thoughts of a psycopath which is proven wrong by this evidence.
Who says dead sea scrolls was written by moses, in fact modern textual criticisms show that the OT could not have been from moses.
To believe that the OT is from Moses and therefore from inderectly from God is to say that both are idiots.. in reference to all the nonsense there is in the OT which you cannot ascribe to a higher being.
Yes the first 5 books, you cannot take them to be from moses (or indirectly from God) due to the mistakes and nonsense which you cannot ascribe to a higher entity.
Ironic that christians can talk about hilarious quran verses when their religious book is the bible. (assuming you;ve read it)
Seems like your more brainwashed in regards to your own religion and Islam than what your ilk make out muslims to be.
YES DEAR QURAN IS FROM ALLAH(DEVIL) & MOHD WAS THE 1ST TERRORIST, A CHILD MOLESTAR, A RAPEIST WHO FUCKED HIS OWN DAUGHTER IN LAW. MEANS OWN DAUGHTER SO KEEP IT UP MUSLIMS FOLLOW QURAN & MOHD TO GO HELL. AS THE QURAN SAYS EVERY MUSLIM WILL GO TO HELL SURA19:71 Every single one of you must see it; this is an irrevocable decision of your Lord.
You are ignorant and stupid as all the other Atheists and Christians. You invent or distort things to suit your own belief. If you are a Christian then you can't even claim to be a peaceful Christian. Bible is full of pornographic material and violence against men, women, babies, children, other believers, even your prophets in the Bible are perverts including Jesus. I think if he died for you, he must be mentally ill or the people who say that he died for you are mentally ill.
I can quote some of them from the Bible if you insist but can you quote from the Qur'an what you are accusing of. If you cannot then I consider you as a retard.
Anyone can quote anything from any book....BUT...can you quote it within context and with actual references to see the true meaning of a passage from a book.?
I can, but the people on this video are much better at it them I am...
I asked you are question as to whether you could quote from the Qur'an but you just pass the buck to others and they are no better than you. I don't give a damn about Christianity or other religions because all the religions except Islam are distorted to suit their own desire. So you have accepted that you are another ignorant been taken for a ride by the so called intellectuals and religion haters. Why not you try something on your won?
@voiceofreasoning..First you say (to another poster) "But the Qur'an is not the same as you say, it is memorized and written down by his companions instantly.
Which, as anyone who has studied the life of Mo' knows is a bald-faced lie!
Now, this quote (along with insults) to me:
"all the religions except Islam are distorted to suit their own desire. "
Got any real, scientific proof? "Voice of unreason" If not, shut your gob!... 'cause nothing good is coming out of it!
Well you half wit, if you really look for an unbiased account of his life and Islamic history written by the Islamic scholars you would find Qur'an indeed the book is the purest text ever on the face of the earth, people like William Muir says so, even though he was the worst critic of Islam but he accepted the text is purest unlike any other religious texts which in fact blind Christi worshipers and brainless Atheists deny.
It appears that you have lost the argument.....Whether or not you accept Christ's sacrifice for you and indeed for all of mankind...that is up to you...The sacrifice was made and Our Lord and Savior rose from the dead.
I really feel sorry for you. If you are intelligent, you would know that you are solely responsible for your own thoughts and deeds not anybody else, if you wrong, you have to account for it and nobody else. So when it comes to Christ or anybody else who have been sent to guide mankind will only testify as to how they delivered the message to each generation apart from that they have no business in the affairs of God. If Jesus sacrificed for your sin then he would be in hell.
But the point here is that the Gospel f Jesus is nowhere to find, what we find is Gospel of according to Mark, Mathew, Luke and John and not even these books are not from these men but according to.
Sorry-that's just what islam teaches you. A good leader should tell its people to investigate for themselves the writings of the people it claims to revere. Who said the others were corrupted? Only one person- who also told you that you have to believe in his writings alone.
Islam (the Quran) teaches that Jesus was not crucified and did not claim himself to be God's own son. WRONG! These things are recorded not only in the Bible but in ancient Roman, Greek and Jewish documents of those days.
Well if you read the Qur'an, you should know Muhammad (SAW) only the mouthpiece of God. It is the direct revelation from God. That is why we demand Torah and Gospel we but you have some third party stuff.
fearworshipGod, muslims don't read the teachings of the prophets in the Old Testament cos they KNOW the written words in the Bible are exactly the opposite to what is written in their made up fake holy book quran...bit embarrassing for them. lnnit? funny how Christians and Jews Books (Holy Bible)totally agree with each others and the same God is in both, but Quran disagrees with both these Books...but HAY! voice thinks one mans word(a murderer and pedo) is better than all the Bibles 66 writers
The first place the Qur'an doesn't recognize the Bible as the word of God but it tells us that God did revealed to Moses and Jesus and the names of those books were Torah and the Gospel. So where is the Torah that was revealed Moses, and the book that was given to Jesus? Those books are not Mathew, Mark, Luke and John or written by Paul? Please when you find them let me know so that I can check them out using my logic and reasoning. I don't accept a God who die anyway.
AdoIslam...in the first place the Holy Bible does not recognise quran as the word of God...Jesus Himself said in Book of Revelation that NO ONE was to ADD to or TAKE away from Gods Word..that HE is the Beginning and the End of Gods REVELATION... quran adds to and takes away from Gods Word...Jesus says the penalty is DEATH..stop believing muslim lies..
What an stupid child are you, who cares about the Jewish and Christian Bible, it is full of distortion and lies and the Bible doesn't claimed to be from God. The real word for the Bible is library of books. Death is not a penalty but plague which all of you are experiencing now. Fornication, adultery, lesbianism, homosexuality, incest, pedophilia, pornography, prostitution, abortions, alcoholism, gambling, usury and so many more are the plagues that already infested in your society
oh , and lets talk about the plagues of islam , shall we? child marriage( pedophilia), THIGHING of baby girls, Pederasty ( old mullahs with small boys/children) cutting off hands feet, slicing off heads, stoning to death of women,slaVERY IN sUDAN, mAURITANIA, Nigeria,forced abduction of children from non muslim parents, persecution of minorities,beating of women and so many more plagues that infest muslim society!!
All these are found in the Bible word for word and more. Since the Bible is not the word of God you have written down parallel Secular laws to justify abuses. In Islam if you can show me what you find in the Bible, I will stop writing about Islam. Pedophilia is a term used by the Western Secularist. Marriage an pedophilia are two different things. Christianity promotes homosexuality, lesbianism, incest, adultery prostitution, pedophilia in churches and porn industries. Shame on you
You say it does but you offer no proof the Bible condones all these things. You just proved to us you didn't even read the Bible, as I asked you clearly a few easy questions. I see no point of allowing you to run off at the mouth. Feel free to message me with your reply and we'll get the block removed.
@MirroringTruth The problem with Islam is that its holy book is full of deceptions. It not only calls Allah a deceiver in Quran 4:142, it also calls him a schemer in Quran 3:54. In Quran 78:37 we read about Allah: [The Lord with whom they cannot dare to speak, none can converse (talk) with Him, none are able to address Him.] Today there are millions of Muslims around the world who address Allah by speaking to him five times a day in prayers. This is pure deception to win followers.
Actually this is incorrect. Muhammad never once received a revelation from Allah. They all came through Jibreel. So this makes the whole Quran "third party".
But this really doesn't make a difference.
The problem is with what you claim your Allah has commanded. It's not the same entity that spoke to the Jews in the OT. Nor the same entity Christ spoke of. The Islamic god is the polar opposite of the other 2 Abrahamic faiths.
God spoke to people through Arch Angel Gabriel is accepted truth. Even the white dove was not a bird but Angel, the Holy Spirit which guided Jesus was the Angel Gabriel, so he is not a third party but the writers of the Bible are the third party because Jesus never authorized them to write when he preached. OT God is not directly spoke to anyone even according to the OT because OT says Moses spoke to God and God spoke to Moses but failed to clarify anything beyond.
2) Where is your proof the "white dove" (and we'll make note a secondary argument to prove how Muslims can't read: Where does it once say the color of a dove in the 18 times it's mentioned in both ot & nt ?
2a) If we take your misreading, and use Luke 3:22 where it says "You are My beloved Son,": Are you saying an angel has a "beloved Son"?
3) How is an angle not third party? Do you place them at the level of God?
Who said Muhammad is the mouthpiece of God besides Muhammad? How do you know it wasn't a jinn that spoke to him? They have been around forever and know the Scriptures, too.
@voiceofreasoning ;PROVE an allah before you keep dribbling your childish brainwashed junk...then explain WHY we see in your koran 'man's errors' from that era lol
Hi, nice to hear from you after a long time, hope your girl friend keeps you happy. Have you read the Qur'an? You want me to prove God and say it is in you and in the horizon and you refuse to accept. At least kindly tell me what kind of proof do you want? Do you know Arabic? Qur'an came down in Arabic and it talks about your soul and so many other issues as well. Show me the man's error from the era, so we can debate that in an intelligent manner.
@voiceofreasoning Yes, of course have read the errors/mistakes from that era in koran which proves muslims are lied
proof...ANY will do, and you should explain why, even despite millions of desperates trying, NOT ONE has been able to come up with a single shred of even anything...ZILCH
Bible was hidden from people fr centuries and the Bible was written only 325 years after the ascension of Christ and it carried death penalty for anyone to have a Bible in his possession and interestingly Bible is with the people only for the last 100 years and within that period of time it has gone through may revisions and also there are different versions. What a word oGod to believe!
@Shadowlooker12 If against Christianity, a correct text (NKJV) starting from mathew 16:14 So they said, Some say John the Baptist, some Elijah, and others Jeremiah or one of the prophets. 15 He said to them, But who do you say that I am? 16 Simon Peter answered and said, You are the Christ, the Son of the living God. 17 Jesus answered and said to him, Blessed are you, Simon Bar-Jonah, for flesh and blood has not revealed this to you, but My Father who is in heaven.
Then read verse 20
YeshuaIsMySaviour 1 month ago
What software did you use to animate Islamic Rage Boy?
CorrosionX3 3 months ago
@CorrosionX3 crazy talk
MirroringTruth 3 months ago
@MirroringTruth Thanks!
CorrosionX3 3 months ago
Mark 8: 28-30 And Jesus went out, and his disciples, into the towns of Caesarea Philippi: and by the way he asked his disciples, saying unto them, Whom do men say that I am? 28And they answered, John the Baptist: but some say, Elias; and others, One of the prophets. 29And he saith unto them, But whom say ye that I am? And Peter answereth and saith unto him, Thou art the Christ. 30And he charged them that they should tell no man of him. I'm pretty sure that alone explains it.
Shadowlooker12 4 months ago
If it's corrupted, how can you rely on it's text? and then when Christians point out something "it's corrupted" looooool, but when they need it to try to prove something false on their side it's not.....smh. The bible does not mention Islam or Muslims or Mohammed yet they claim it does in original text or not. They bold face lie and say Jesus never said e was God, when you can pick up the bible, original text and read it and what he said, this "debate" is always illogical on the Muslim side.
Shadowlooker12 4 months ago
Christians were told in the bible to not even make Idols of such Nature, let alone Kiss them (which is a form of worship). And it's ridiculous how Muslims say "The Bible is corrupted" (Torah & Injeel) by the time Mohammad was born YET in their Qur'an Mohammad says it wasn't and he trust the book THEY(The Jews) still had in HIS time. Then on top of that, they say it's corrupted, but keep referring to it to try to prove Mohammed is talked about in it *FACEPALM.
Shadowlooker12 4 months ago
And I can't beleive some Muslims keep confusing Christianity with Catholicism, which you see some Christians going against because of the Mary worship, Idol/Saint worship etc. I shook my head when a caller called into ABN and asked the question to Sam Shamoun & David wood "How can God sleep with Mary" and "How can God be 3 Gods, God the son, God the father and Mary" *Facepalm. Another Muslim when confronted about Kissing the Black stone in Mecca said "Christians kiss statues of Mary" *Facepalm
Shadowlooker12 4 months ago
hi, im a muslim and im most likely younger than you, but the funny thing is your the one who is not using your common sense, from what i see all your videos are passionately abusing Islam in every way possible, personally that scares the crap out of me why are you tracking down this religion like this? if you don't like it and think that it is harming people...then why are YOU harming others? P.S im not gonna swear at you but i think you should do something more productive hon ;)
SuperNation22 9 months ago
@SuperNation22 We condemn this "cult" (not religion) because of what it proclaims. Yeah there are some funny vids along the way. The only harm to others is via the spread of Islam....
And I see your page is nothing but Islamic video...So what's your point? Seriously. Quit whining. You post what you want to, and I post what I want to. Your right to free speech doesn't in any way supersede mine. I can talk about or post anything within the TOS....Don't like it, don't visit my channel...
MirroringTruth 9 months ago 2
@MirroringTruth BRO YOUR VIDEO ARE FUNNY, PLEASE KEEP IT UP. LONG YOU RESIST LONG YOU FEEL ITS TRUTH,
TheMasood4724 5 months ago
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@SuperNation22 1 John 2:22 Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is an anti-Christ, that denieth the Father and the Son.
John 3:18 He that believes on him is not condemned: but he that believes not is condemned already, because he has not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.
thelordglorified 2 months ago
SHAME on you surely you have no nothing in your life to do better than insulting someone's religion! in your previous videos those FAKE burka girls were screaming ...WHAT THE ARE YOU TRYING TO ACCOMPLISH? im trying to be mean but i think you should use your life in a more productive manner..just sayin
SuperNation22 9 months ago
@SuperNation22 This video has nothing to do with Islam. People aren't allowed to post bloopers? Believe me, I've worked in a much more productive manner showing the filth of Islam. This was funny and I posted it. Matter a fact I got the excerpt from a video posted by "Muslimbychoice".....So how dare you attempt to tell me to quit posting things when your own side was the instigator.
MirroringTruth 9 months ago
@SuperNation22 Classic, When you point out things about peoples beliefs and they don't like it, instead of standing up for the belief they say "Oh do something more productive" "oh you have nothing better to do" oh please, you want to try to ask what your accomplishing now eh. For a Christian, this is not "attacking" Islam at all, would you say to someone who disagrees with racism your "attacking racism" when they point out it's wrong? faults? illogical points? No, you'd agree it's wrong. pffft
Shadowlooker12 4 months ago
@SuperNation22 Stop trying to give things pass just because you do not agree with it. If you were mature, regardless of age, you'd sit there and think about the arguments against Islam, do diligent study, use common sense and logic, ask questions, not just try to bail out because the heat is bothering you. I saw a 14 year old on youtube who claims to be an Atheist asking questions about Christianity, pointing out Christians have a good point and such, if he can think, others can too.
Shadowlooker12 4 months ago
Jungle under chin...
pengendownload 1 year ago
FAKE CLIP
englishwayfarer 1 year ago
Nadir Ahmed is a big joke, he boasts that his the best Muslim Apologist in the United States when clearly he is a big failure, i feel sorry him. I would be so ashamed of a man with this much arrogance and ignorance to defend my faith. He belongs in the 3 stooges of Islam: Osama "The Great" Abdallah, Sami "The Beast" Zaatari, and Nadir "The Predator" Ahmed. These are probably the worst debaters in History of Christian-Muslim dialogue!
FreeInChrist777 1 year ago 4
You know, MT, I made Shamoun's challenge to Estes into a video. It's had lots of views, lots of excuses for Estes' cowardice, but not a single comment of acceptance. I think it's past time to put Muslims under a GroLite, water them 2X/week, and treat them like the potted plants they are.
SecretGarden1963 1 year ago
Check out this link it shows muslims all want to kill all non muslims /watch?v=Fl2tXG_GMv0
HQA0 1 year ago
what an ugly moron.
MegaAngrycat 1 year ago
@Welle92 OK quit. You can claim contradictions from Shair Ali's site, and theres an answers page for it. Don't waste you time cutting and pasting from a website. Go read the answers site and if you don't agree with those answers bring them back and we'll clear them up. But don't spam my videos.
MirroringTruth 1 year ago
this video is made on photo.its fake video.
mufasa4arami1 1 year ago
@mufasa4arami1 What an idiot. Of course you "see" a photo that's animated. It's the audio from a static video from Muslimbychoice that's funny.
You guys are just completely retarted
MirroringTruth 1 year ago
@MirroringTruth thanx for complement
mufasa4arami1 1 year ago
@mufasa4arami1 So retarded is a step up for you?....lol Thanks man, I didn't have the heart to rag on ya anymore, but you helped me out.
MirroringTruth 1 year ago
@MirroringTruth yah i like helping otheres
mufasa4arami1 1 year ago
La ilaha il Allah Muhammad rasul Allah!
Qur'an corrupted?xD look at the bible!
Welle92 1 year ago
@Welle92 Don't tell us.....we know what you guys think. Tell it to Nadir Achmed who gets confused in this debate. It's pretty much over once you forget what position your backing...
MirroringTruth 1 year ago
@MirroringTruth
so of Nadir gets confused maby he's not the best of debaters(JazakAllah kahyr for his job) Islam is the truth!
Welle92 1 year ago
@Welle92 He's not a debater. That's the joke. Islam is vile and disgusting.....that is the truth.
MirroringTruth 1 year ago
@MirroringTruth
Exaclty he is not a debater, he juts wanted to speak about Islam, no wonder he got confused, HE IS NOT A DEBATER(:
Disgusting? prove it!
Here are a some nice verses from the bible :
The people of Samaria must bear their guilt, because they have rebelled against their God. They will fall by the sword; THEIR LITTLE ONE WILL BE DASHED TO THE GROUND, THEIR PREGNANT WOMEN WILL BE RIPPED OPEN."(Hosea 13:16)
A very loving verse (:
And i can also give you many more (:
Welle92 1 year ago
@Welle92 Incorrect. He thinks he's a debater, and even puts himself in the debate circut. That's not just speaking.
Whats so disgusting about that it? This is Israelites that are going to be destroyed right? Samaria was the capitol of the 12 tribes, and they were going to be destroyed for disobeying God. All over the Bible there are the stories of disobedient people (including Jews) and Gods wrath. I have a problem with wife beating, and making girls to young for menses wait for a divorce.
MirroringTruth 1 year ago
@Welle92 See the problem is, when I read you books I look at all the literature to understand its meaning. When you read a Bible verse, you don't even know why your quoting it or who it's even about.
This is the same level of stupidity that says "Islam condemns the killing of any man as it like killing all of humanity", when the verse is taken out of context, and it's the Jews the verse is talking to and not the Muslims.
Sometimes we just get tired of the horse crap were expected to swallow.
MirroringTruth 1 year ago
@Welle92 My problem with Islam isn't that your god calls for my extermination. If your god was real, I would understand this command, as I would refuse to ever submit. My problems with Islam are much deeper moral problems it creates. Theres no way a person like me should have better morals then a god. Sadly this is the case in Islam.
Here's the end game for Islam:
If you're non-violent, you are so in spite of Islam, and not because of it...
MirroringTruth 1 year ago
@MirroringTruth
Your extermination? xD proove it!
I am non-violent and a muslim,but ofcourse if someone attacked me i would fight back, if they gave up i would give up an make peace.
Prophet Muhammad met a man who had killed and cut of all the bodie parts of one of his closest friends, what did Muhammad do? he spoke kindly to this man, and did not use violence, and this man accepted Islam!
And many more other events like this
Oh yeah a very violent religionxD
Welle92 1 year ago
@Welle92 It has nothing to do with "fighting back". The verses of Sura 9 clearly state, that after the sacred months, 1400 years ago, there is to be "NO" peace. You're to slay them where you find them. This isn't a command for a certain group at a certain time. Its from that certain time on. Muslims ignore context. They don't observe it for the Bible or their own beliefs. And we realize you don't have problems with people that "accept" Islam. The problem is those that "refuse" Islam.
MirroringTruth 1 year ago
@MirroringTruth
This verse was sent to Prophet Muhammad(pbuh) at specific time! and the verse 9:28-29 says "after this year", so the verse was (as i said) only sent down for a specific time, because Muhammad(pbuh) had many Pagan arabs against him, they where plotting to attack and kill him, and they tried this many times, but (All praise be to God) they won the battles.
You must realise if this verse is as you think it is, then you would see every muslim trying to kill every non-muslim
Welle92 1 year ago
@Welle92 No moron.....after this year you can attack(It's open ended It never gives a time stop, and hadith tell us this time extends till the end days when the rock will cry out there is a jew behind me"). Up till the end of the holy time you can't attack
What don't you understand about that?
And yes you're a bad Muslim for not killing all the "non-believers" you come in contact with.
MirroringTruth 1 year ago
@MirroringTruth @MirroringTruth Yes moron it was..
yes ofcourse when you are fighting the antichrist' army, isnt it good that a stone and trees will cry out where you enemy is?
hahha you are funnyxD and you are indeed not a good christian according to Hosea 13:16 (:
Welle92 1 year ago
@Welle92 You're an idiot. I told you Hos 13:16 is about the fate the Jewish tribes of Samaria would receive from the Assyrians for discordance to God. You have no idea what the verse and chapter you're trying to quote even means. Your post makes no sense. But you're frustrated trying to use "evilbibledotcom". See If I was a Assyrian fighting Jews, you might have a point, but since your lost....
MirroringTruth 1 year ago
@MirroringTruth
So but is that how to kill women and children, slaughter them like this? this is your word of God? i have an perfect idea! i have never heard of this site..and i always read the full chapter...
peace be unto you
(ignorant :p)
Welle92 1 year ago
Welle92- "So but is that how to kill women and children, slaughter them like this?"
MirroringTruth - Well that's what the Assyrians planned to do it. It's not instruction. It's a description.
Welle92-"this is your word of God?"
MirroringTruth - Well our Word of God speaks the truth. And the truth was Samaria was toast.
Welle92-"and i always read the full chapter"
MirroringTruth - Couldn't have or you'd of known what the verse was about.
MirroringTruth 1 year ago
@MirroringTruth
Yes though the assyrians planned to kill the children and women, the believers only needed to kill the warriors and let the children and women live?
Ok it speakls the truth;) then why does it contradicts itself ? :/
Yes i read the full chapter i know what it is about(:
Welle92 1 year ago
@Welle92 The verse you quoted had no instructions for the "believers". Like I said it was a description of what was "going" to happen.
There's no contradiction in the Bible. There's only a lack of understanding. Now this could be perspective, or simply trying to view the Bible though the warped lens of Islam.
You can say you understood it all you want. The proof you didn't was that you thought this was instructions to the Jews. I can say the sky's forest green. Doesn't mean it's true.
MirroringTruth 1 year ago
@MirroringTruth
It doesnt mean that it is true, but if you look at the verse, and the hadith of prophet muhammad you can see that it is true(:
Welle92 1 year ago
@Welle92 No idea what you're addressing here. Try again.
MirroringTruth 1 year ago
@MirroringTruth Assyrians PLANNED WHAT???? excuse me before you speak of other people who you have no fucking knowledge of , you need to first know WHO YOU ARE AND WHERE YOU CAME FROM
kingbigdawg9 1 year ago
@Welle92
According to Hosea 10 you mslims are good muslims
13 “But you have cultivated wickedness and harvested a thriving crop of sins. You have eaten the fruit of lies— trusting in your military might, believing that great armies could make your nation safe. 14 Now the terrors of war will rise among your people.
hannahr77 1 year ago
@MirroringTruth
This prooves that i am not a bad muslims by not killing others(non-believers):
Allah does not forbid you respecting those who have not made war against you on account of (your) religion, and have not driven you forth from your homes, that you show them KINDNESS AND DEAL WITH THEM JUSTLY; surely ALLAH LOVES DOERS OF JUSTICE. [60:8]
Welle92 1 year ago
@Welle92 How do you get that you're a "good Muslim" if you're commanded to kill the unbelievers till the final days? 60.8 sounds like a wonderful verse. Muhammad was just entering Mecca. Problem is 9.29 sets the new agenda. Your god revealed something "better". Again, the lack of Muslim "context" even with their own materials. It's sad really.
MirroringTruth 1 year ago
@MirroringTruth
Where in the verses you gave does it say to fight until the last day?
It says: "Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day,"
Man please dont take things out of context ok? (:
thanks
Welle92 1 year ago
@Welle92 I never said that verse did say that. I looked at the commands as a whole.
We know from 9.5 we have a start of the aggressions (after the holy months)
We know from 9.29 we know who (The people of the book- both Jews and Christians are noted as such)
We know from Sahih Muslim Book 041, Number 6985, that there's no way the "last hour" will come till: "The last hour would not come unless the Muslims will fight against the Jews and the Muslims would kill them"
TO BE CONTINUED
MirroringTruth 1 year ago
@Welle92 Continued: So from those 3 verses we can see the that from after the time of the sacred months, until the Jews are hiding behind rocks in the last days, it's the Muslim position that they be killed.
You're free to show me decree that was written after 9.5/29, that says to befriend the Jews till you have to kill them at the later date (before the last hour).
MirroringTruth 1 year ago
@MirroringTruth
And as i thought you would ignore the digusting verse i sent you(:
Welle92 1 year ago
@Welle92 No I answered it: You just didn't listen. You'd think that verse wouldn't be disgusting to Muslims considering it tells of the impending slaughter the Jews or Sameria would face at the hands of the Assyrians.
MirroringTruth 1 year ago
What!? Did I just hear what I think I heard? "That we have established the bible, that the guran is corrupted." @ :26 sec.
Sam must of put a spanking on this guy made him so nervous that he said the right thing about the bible and confesses the bible establishes that the quran is corrupted. WAY TO GO SAM U CHECKED THIS GUY!!!
eaglefan64 1 year ago
I love Sam, I really do.=]
GodLovesUs100 1 year ago
This tape is fake!
Hans021220 1 year ago
LOL, sam wins again, the TRUTH always wins.
360Truthman 1 year ago
Quran says Jesus did not die.
Jesus said:"And he said, "The Son of Man must suffer many things and be rejected by the elders, chief priests and teachers of the law, and he must be killed and on the third day be raised to life." Luke 9:22
"From that time on Jesus began to explain to his disciples that he must go to Jerusalem and suffer many things at the hands of the elders, chief priests and teachers of the law, and that he must be killed and on the third day be raised to life."Matt.16:21
fearworshipGod 2 years ago
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snnicky 2 years ago
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fearworshipGod 2 years ago
Now that was a beautyful freudian slip.
lol
As we know (according to islamic sources) the great "pfofit" Muhammad was deceived and corrupted by the devil.
Look at the history of the "satanic verses"
watch?v=AO8De1-SZiE
enkidu23 2 years ago 2
Muslims say they never saw a Muslim lose a debate. Who are you fooling? I heard debates in Youtube. The latest I heard was between Deedat and Shorosh. I'm sure Shorosh won but Muslims cheer to make it look like they won but it was very obvious that Deedat was all twisting the Chrsitian facts. I don't care what they say because I expect they would always protect their faith, But what I can say is that Deedar should have been a lawyer, not a religious or a Muslim scholar. RIP Mr Deedat.
prophetabe 2 years ago 2
u can see it is fake:
u r desperate to show muslim confused :
i haven't ever heard any muslim loses in a debate :NOT AT ALL:
so just come to the right path:
make a dua
1sh714q 2 years ago
Then you've never listened to a debate.
And I'm on the right path. Yours would lead me straight to hell......
MirroringTruth 2 years ago
to those desperate christians...dont get too happy this is fake.
omgodsword 2 years ago
The audio isn't fake. There was no video as it was an audio debate, but it was taken from a video posted by MuslimbyChoice. I added the animation for comic levity. I never claimed this was what Nadir Achmed looks like.
It's only meant to show how confused Muslim apologist are in a debate without making people listen to 2 hours worth......
MirroringTruth 2 years ago
@MirroringTruth ....You said: "Two hours worth of...."
Hmm...Rambling, off-topic, accusations and refusal to admit that they can't answer a question; not to mention "Taqiyya" etc., etc., etc.
BoudiccaBlanc 2 years ago
Mohammad not a prophet,but a lier and terrorist rapist,child fuuker
asifmasih1 2 years ago
Sam Shamoun is so bad at debating. So bad.
oombuddah 2 years ago
lol ugly...good looks dude wont enter you or sam paradise ..but beleiveing in what that man beleives in (that you called ugly) will.
cheers ..for now (on earth) to be some what clearer .. and after? we shell see !
melmais 2 years ago
Eeeeew that Muslim is so ugly , he should at least shave that Nasty Islamic beared off . It looks like pubes lol
carrrrera 2 years ago
he says " u know in that verse it say christians follow nothing but conjecture.. or corruption"
"and thats the second time im checking oyu on that!!"
"there is no more debate"
"we have already established from the quran, that the bible, that the quran, is corrupted."!!
ohhh i havent laughed like that in a while...
rosenseeu 2 years ago
i could not stop laughing that the bible, that the quran is corrupted!!!!
rosenseeu 2 years ago
Yaeah , lets talk about the DIVINITY of Jesus!!! I will PROVE to you from JESUS OWN WORDS that He is DIVINE! Lets roll, voiceofreasoning!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
peacechild61 2 years ago
you are wrong. modern day christianity is a roman pagan relegion. in greek/roman mythology they believed that the gods would be able to have children with mortal women (same thing in christianity). people claim islam to be violent? just read the bible my friend there are verses talking of destroying whole towns killing the cattle, killing suckling infants, leaving nothing that breathes alive, and raping 3 year old girls! can this be from god?????
gangsta4life1256 2 years ago
yep! Isalm is VIOLENT!! just read ur QURAN! guess on that basis of thought you will have to reject Islam too, huh! Muhammad raped,enslaved tortured,robbed , beheaded, murdered whole towns and cities...and HE is believed by muslims to be the FINAL word from god(little g) at least Jesus NEVER sinned or did ANY of the disgusting evil muhammad did,gangsta..btw, Islam is just PAGAN arab mythology that was spoken about in Old Testament as DETESTABLE to God Yahweh
peacechild61 2 years ago
ur fuking mother teach u this shit and thts why u r shiting from ur mouth...
nagdaking 2 years ago
That what we expect from Islam, thanks 4proving about islamic nature.
Religion OF piece.
kurien7774 2 years ago
gan
hmm maybe you could provide us with some evidence, and if Christianity is modern then what is islam? who can a 2000 old religon be modern day religion? and of course you have the Bible from cover to cover if so then you skipped this
Jeremiah 31
3 The LORD appeared to us in the past, saying: "I have loved you with an everlasting love; I have drawn you with loving-kindness.
hannahr77 2 years ago
So he loves you if you kill anything that breath?
voiceofreasoning 2 years ago
Yes there is many such things which is discribed in the Bible but all such acts were done by Muslims.
Just as it was done in Kabier is Saudi arabia by your Leader Mohd. Read ur book Quran & open ur eyes. Islam is the way to hell & Allah is the devil and God of islam
kurien7774 2 years ago
lmao i read the quran every night before i sleep and i KNOW its the truth and way to heaven.! did u know muhammad is only mentioned bout 5 times in quran by name?
gangsta4life1256 2 years ago
guess the way of hell is to follow previous prophets Moses, Abraham too according to your logic.
SUSTAIN22 2 years ago
kurien7774
Islam show you the way to hell and ask you to take a different route which is paradise. Islam show you both and it is your choice.
voiceofreasoning 1 year ago
peacechild
Do you know what proof means? How can you prove when Jesus himself says he is weak without God and he even refused to accept that he is even good. Where is his Gospel and the other Gospels are not even their because they are according to some unknown person.
voiceofreasoning 2 years ago
peacechild61
God doesn't eat, drink,sleep and doesn't do anything that Jesus did. All these are proof that he is just a human and also he even refused to be called good master and he did not approve of that too. In fact he is an elected God like elected president. Peacechild perhaps you don't know the meaning of divine. Just because somebody is holy, he doesn't become God.
voiceofreasoning 1 year ago
Ha ha , that was excellent, for once a muslim tells the truth, did they behead him afterwards? LOOOOOOOOL
peacechild61 2 years ago
You know they have software that lets us move a picture and make it say what you want even it is a picture.
SRobacker 2 years ago
david wood has now blocked me for asking a question about hispast!
i heard david wood got arrested for beating his father up.
is this true.??
i have asked david wood but he did not answer the question. now im blocked. why?
does anybody know?
mannypatel1 2 years ago
Personally I have no idea if he has. I've only met the man once.
But I think it's no secret he was a Atheist, and by proxy sinned much more then he does now. So what if this old sin consisted of beating up his father? He would have had to ask forgiveness from his dad and God. Not me. Not you. He also has no obligation to confess his sins to you since you're not God, or the one he sinned against.
R Muslims so desperate they think parading any past transgressions dims his statements about Islam?
MirroringTruth 2 years ago
mannypatel1
Every Christian preacher will never allow people to communicate with them or debate with them or ask questions because they cannot answer intelligent question on a kind of fairy tale that is blindly accepted as the truth. The truth without substance.
voiceofreasoning 1 year ago
this is the weirdest video i've ever seen
wittenbergdoor 2 years ago
if everything was simply logical as muslims always want logic why would we even need revelation when you could discern all that is logical without god? my point is sometimes you need to look deeper!
ericcruzstealth 2 years ago
What I found funny was the beginning of this debate. When the Islam defender defines what corrupts a book, then by that definition the English version of the Quran is corrupt... SMH at the praise of the pedophile....
vghopkins 2 years ago
Contradiction-
[5:44] We have sent down the Torah,* containing guidance and light.
[5:46] Subsequent to them, we sent Jesus, the son of Mary, .. We gave him the Gospel,.. CONFIRMING the previous scriptures, the Torah, and augmenting its guidance and light,.
Therefore the Torah was CORRECT at the time of Jesus.
So just WHEN were the Scriptures supposed to have been altered?
And WHY would Jewish people, AFTER they'd rejected Jesus, write in all those Scriptures that prophesy about Jesus?
snnicky 2 years ago
have you got a gospel of jesus? no. you got gospels according to mark luke john and mathew. so try again. bring a gospel that is from jesus.
and the torah given to moses is not the one you see today. certainly it aint the old testament. a dirty filthy book you wont even read to your children
elantedronai 2 years ago
This is an ignorant reply. You don't have a Sura written by Muhammad or Allah either. So by your logic the Quran is also useless, as is any history not written by the person committing the acts. Get a brain. Consistency of argument moron....pffft
Don't be a parrot, show us proof of another "Torah" other then what we use.
So you have 2 jobs:
Bring proof of the Quran penned by Allah himself (not a scribe taking down Muhammad's words)
Show us evidence of another Torah.
MirroringTruth 2 years ago
haha dude. when jesus was preaching the gospel mark, mathew, luke and john were not with him righting down what he was saying.
please try again
elantedronai 2 years ago
And by the exact same criteria, When Muhammad received his "revelations", he didn't turn to someone and say jot this down. See it's fine to set up a criteria from which to judge any work of iniquity, but the methods that work for one book, works for another as well.
And I don't need to try again, as you failed to grasp the consistency argument the first time and only reiterated your bias in textural criticism.
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MirroringTruth 2 years ago
oh please.
when prophet muhammed receceived his revelations people memorised it, wrote it down on whatever they could find. there are 10 famous hafiz of quran with zaid ibn thbait and salim being the most famous of them all.
unlike christianity where mark luke mathew and john never met jesus and never wrote his gospel down.
elantedronai 2 years ago
Your own admission, portions were memorized. Not written down. You know as well as I that when Islamic soldiers died in Al- Yemama, that Abu-Bakr was told by Umar he was afraid portions of the Qur'an would be lost. Now if these were all jotted down and not just committed to memory, it wouldn't have been a problem.
Besides..still didn't fulfill your requirements. I need books penned by Allah or Muhammad himself. If your holding the Bible to that standard, give us those from the Quran as well.
MirroringTruth 2 years ago
mirroring truth, for once try to understand what i am saying.
there are 10 famous memorisers of the quran with zaid ibn thabit the most famous of them all. he was present with the prophet as he read the complete quran with archangel gabriel twice. these memorisers have all learned the quran. they quran was jotted down by writing and by memorisation. that's how it was prserved to this day.
elantedronai 2 years ago
I don't care if there are a billion famous people memorized the Qur'an. If you're holding the Bible to this standard, I want to see a copy of the books written by Allah himself or by Muhammad. And the rest of your post have no bearing on us establishing the same criteria for both. So when you post, or message me with the place I can research these books written by Allah or Muhammad we can continue on. Otherwise your inconsistency of argument will not be tolerated.
MirroringTruth 2 years ago
ele
Hmm so now none of the disciples never meet or knew JESUS are you sure abt this where's your proof, you se we have manuscripts dating way before muhammad and even he said that the Bible was reliable so now what? So what happen between muhammad and now be careful how you answer as I said we have manuscripts dating before muhammad, and wheres your manuscripts of the quran do you have the original ones?
hannahr77 2 years ago
actually prophet muhammed did say to hsi scribes to write it down. people also memorised the verses of the quran.
the actual scribes and memorisers actually were the prophet's companions who actually met the man in person.
unlike mark, luke, mathew, john and ofcourse paul himself. none of them ever met jesus in person. awesome is it not?
elantedronai 2 years ago
Still didn't provide me with a Sura Allah or Muhammad wrote themselves. So I guess were done here.......
MirroringTruth 2 years ago
Typical Muslim, backs himself into a corner then tries to dodge and switch topic, very familiar.
LionPebs369 2 years ago
MirroringTruth
When I sit at desk and dictate to my secretary to type what I dictate, I is I am the one who is typing in a virtual sense but when it comes to Mathew, Mark,Luke and John, it is not the same because they did not write but somebody else is claiming that it is according to. So Mark doesn't have say according to mark, at least he could endorsed it by saying this my account. But the Qur'an is not the same as you say, it is memorized and written down by his companions instantly.
voiceofreasoning 2 years ago
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BTW God doesn't writes down anything but he create people to do it virtually everything. Qur'an is clearly saying that Muhammad (S) was not a learned person who never wrote anything before.
(29:48) "And you did not read before it any book, nor did you write one with your right hand, for then those, who say untrue things, could have doubted."
voiceofreasoning 2 years ago
sorry - ur fact are mixed up - mark and john were his diciples - furtheremore the quran also had codices and different copies - out of four copies , only Hafsas copy was kept and the other destroyed - and lastly, Muhammad(sas) heard someone recite differently and said it was ok - so the question is - do we have the original quuran 2day - esp considering those copies never had any punctuation
seekeroftherightway 2 years ago
seekeroftherightway
If there are different copies of the Qur'an, then you should be able to produce them. They are not different copies but the real Qur'an, almost all of them had it in their memories too as well and also as written forms in various material like hides. What destroy was written in different dialect but the Qur'an was revealed to the Prophet in the language of the Qyraish tribe. continues
voiceofreasoning 1 year ago
seekeroftherightway
Even today Qur'an is allowed to recite in 6 different styles but it is the same Qur'an. The Arabs know their language and non-Arabs need that punctuation, not Arabs they can read it without them. Just get a News Paper in Arabic, you won't find that punctuation. Those letters are called Damma-Kasr. The Qur'an we have it is the original. Every Qur'an is original and if you want the oldest Qur'an you can find that in the Museum of Turkey.
voiceofreasoning 1 year ago
"the torah given to moses is not the one you see today"
We have the dead sea scrolls which contain all of the books of the Old Testament except for Ruth and they perfectly match the Bible we have today. That alone disproves Islam. Denial of this is irrational considering we have evidence of this and all you have is a book formed from the thoughts of a psycopath which is proven wrong by this evidence.
LionPebs369 2 years ago
dead sea scrolls that belonged to a sect of jews.
Who says dead sea scrolls was written by moses, in fact modern textual criticisms show that the OT could not have been from moses.
To believe that the OT is from Moses and therefore from inderectly from God is to say that both are idiots.. in reference to all the nonsense there is in the OT which you cannot ascribe to a higher being.
m1k3yj1 2 years ago
No one says the Old Testament was written by Moses, the Torah which is the first 5 books of the OT was written by Moses.
Watch my stupid hilarious Quran and Hadith verse video, Islamic scriptures are ridiculously funny xD
LionPebs369 2 years ago 2
Yes the first 5 books, you cannot take them to be from moses (or indirectly from God) due to the mistakes and nonsense which you cannot ascribe to a higher entity.
Ironic that christians can talk about hilarious quran verses when their religious book is the bible. (assuming you;ve read it)
Seems like your more brainwashed in regards to your own religion and Islam than what your ilk make out muslims to be.
m1k3yj1 2 years ago
Mistakes and nonsense? There is none in there. Try looking closer to home at your Quran., there's nothing but that in there.
LionPebs369 2 years ago
none in here.... nothing but that in there, LOL
Sigh, you sound like a 2 year old. In fact most of the islam related videos of yours seem to be of that kind of calibre.
Good luck to you mate
m1k3yj1 2 years ago
ela
Why should we need a Gospel of JESUS CHRIST do you have a Gospel of muhammad or even of ill-allah?
hannahr77 2 years ago
Qur'an is the Gospel of Muhammad that was revealed to him by Allah. There is no according to?
voiceofreasoning 2 years ago
YES DEAR QURAN IS FROM ALLAH(DEVIL) & MOHD WAS THE 1ST TERRORIST, A CHILD MOLESTAR, A RAPEIST WHO FUCKED HIS OWN DAUGHTER IN LAW. MEANS OWN DAUGHTER SO KEEP IT UP MUSLIMS FOLLOW QURAN & MOHD TO GO HELL. AS THE QURAN SAYS EVERY MUSLIM WILL GO TO HELL SURA19:71 Every single one of you must see it; this is an irrevocable decision of your Lord.
kurien7774 2 years ago
Kurien7774
You are ignorant and stupid as all the other Atheists and Christians. You invent or distort things to suit your own belief. If you are a Christian then you can't even claim to be a peaceful Christian. Bible is full of pornographic material and violence against men, women, babies, children, other believers, even your prophets in the Bible are perverts including Jesus. I think if he died for you, he must be mentally ill or the people who say that he died for you are mentally ill.
voiceofreasoning 2 years ago
@voiceofreasoning ....
WOW! "Bible is full of pornographic material and violence against....."
What do you think the Qu'ran is full of?
paedophila, lust, killing, murder, rape, extortion, etc., etc...!!!
"You are ignorant and stupid as all the other Atheists and Christians. "...
LOL!
Well, well...isn't that the cast iron pot calling the cast iron kettle "black"!
Geesh! ...Your arrogance is only superceded by your ignorance of the Bible.
BoudiccaBlanc 2 years ago
BoudiccaBlanc
I can quote some of them from the Bible if you insist but can you quote from the Qur'an what you are accusing of. If you cannot then I consider you as a retard.
voiceofreasoning 2 years ago
@voiceofreasoning ....
Anyone can quote anything from any book....BUT...can you quote it within context and with actual references to see the true meaning of a passage from a book.?
I can, but the people on this video are much better at it them I am...
"Christianty,Islam and the Incarnation" (part 1)
watch?v=SE0a7JcLu3I
BoudiccaBlanc 2 years ago
BoudiccaBlance
I asked you are question as to whether you could quote from the Qur'an but you just pass the buck to others and they are no better than you. I don't give a damn about Christianity or other religions because all the religions except Islam are distorted to suit their own desire. So you have accepted that you are another ignorant been taken for a ride by the so called intellectuals and religion haters. Why not you try something on your won?
voiceofreasoning 2 years ago
@voiceofreasoning..First you say (to another poster) "But the Qur'an is not the same as you say, it is memorized and written down by his companions instantly.
Which, as anyone who has studied the life of Mo' knows is a bald-faced lie!
Now, this quote (along with insults) to me:
"all the religions except Islam are distorted to suit their own desire. "
Got any real, scientific proof? "Voice of unreason" If not, shut your gob!... 'cause nothing good is coming out of it!
BoudiccaBlanc 2 years ago
BoudiccaBlanc
Well you half wit, if you really look for an unbiased account of his life and Islamic history written by the Islamic scholars you would find Qur'an indeed the book is the purest text ever on the face of the earth, people like William Muir says so, even though he was the worst critic of Islam but he accepted the text is purest unlike any other religious texts which in fact blind Christi worshipers and brainless Atheists deny.
voiceofreasoning 2 years ago
@voiceofreasoning....
It appears that you have lost the argument.....Whether or not you accept Christ's sacrifice for you and indeed for all of mankind...that is up to you...The sacrifice was made and Our Lord and Savior rose from the dead.
YHWH OUR LORD AND SAVIOR REIGNS FOREVER!
Alleluia! Allelia! Alleluia!
BoudiccaBlanc 2 years ago
BoudiccBlanc
I really feel sorry for you. If you are intelligent, you would know that you are solely responsible for your own thoughts and deeds not anybody else, if you wrong, you have to account for it and nobody else. So when it comes to Christ or anybody else who have been sent to guide mankind will only testify as to how they delivered the message to each generation apart from that they have no business in the affairs of God. If Jesus sacrificed for your sin then he would be in hell.
voiceofreasoning 2 years ago
snnicky
But the point here is that the Gospel f Jesus is nowhere to find, what we find is Gospel of according to Mark, Mathew, Luke and John and not even these books are not from these men but according to.
voiceofreasoning 2 years ago
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fearworshipGod 2 years ago
Sorry-that's just what islam teaches you. A good leader should tell its people to investigate for themselves the writings of the people it claims to revere. Who said the others were corrupted? Only one person- who also told you that you have to believe in his writings alone.
Islam (the Quran) teaches that Jesus was not crucified and did not claim himself to be God's own son. WRONG! These things are recorded not only in the Bible but in ancient Roman, Greek and Jewish documents of those days.
fearworshipGod 2 years ago
fearworshipGod-agreed.
snnicky 2 years ago
@voiceofreasoning
And who is the Quran "according to"...?
senja71 1 year ago
senja71
And who is the Quran "according to"...?
Well if you read the Qur'an, you should know Muhammad (SAW) only the mouthpiece of God. It is the direct revelation from God. That is why we demand Torah and Gospel we but you have some third party stuff.
voiceofreasoning 1 year ago
Muslims say they believe in the prophets but not in reading their teachings. Why not?
fearworshipGod 1 year ago
fearworshipGod, muslims don't read the teachings of the prophets in the Old Testament cos they KNOW the written words in the Bible are exactly the opposite to what is written in their made up fake holy book quran...bit embarrassing for them. lnnit? funny how Christians and Jews Books (Holy Bible)totally agree with each others and the same God is in both, but Quran disagrees with both these Books...but HAY! voice thinks one mans word(a murderer and pedo) is better than all the Bibles 66 writers
peacechild61 1 year ago
peacechild61
The first place the Qur'an doesn't recognize the Bible as the word of God but it tells us that God did revealed to Moses and Jesus and the names of those books were Torah and the Gospel. So where is the Torah that was revealed Moses, and the book that was given to Jesus? Those books are not Mathew, Mark, Luke and John or written by Paul? Please when you find them let me know so that I can check them out using my logic and reasoning. I don't accept a God who die anyway.
AdorIslam 1 year ago
AdoIslam...in the first place the Holy Bible does not recognise quran as the word of God...Jesus Himself said in Book of Revelation that NO ONE was to ADD to or TAKE away from Gods Word..that HE is the Beginning and the End of Gods REVELATION... quran adds to and takes away from Gods Word...Jesus says the penalty is DEATH..stop believing muslim lies..
peacechild61 1 year ago
peacechild61
What an stupid child are you, who cares about the Jewish and Christian Bible, it is full of distortion and lies and the Bible doesn't claimed to be from God. The real word for the Bible is library of books. Death is not a penalty but plague which all of you are experiencing now. Fornication, adultery, lesbianism, homosexuality, incest, pedophilia, pornography, prostitution, abortions, alcoholism, gambling, usury and so many more are the plagues that already infested in your society
AdorIslam 1 year ago
@ adorislam...yes the Bible CLAIMS to be the Word of God.....end of subject and end of quran..
peacechild61 1 year ago
peacechild61
That's your personal belief and there is evidence except your claim to be so.
AdorIslam 1 year ago
oh , and lets talk about the plagues of islam , shall we? child marriage( pedophilia), THIGHING of baby girls, Pederasty ( old mullahs with small boys/children) cutting off hands feet, slicing off heads, stoning to death of women,slaVERY IN sUDAN, mAURITANIA, Nigeria,forced abduction of children from non muslim parents, persecution of minorities,beating of women and so many more plagues that infest muslim society!!
peacechild61 1 year ago
peacechild
All these are found in the Bible word for word and more. Since the Bible is not the word of God you have written down parallel Secular laws to justify abuses. In Islam if you can show me what you find in the Bible, I will stop writing about Islam. Pedophilia is a term used by the Western Secularist. Marriage an pedophilia are two different things. Christianity promotes homosexuality, lesbianism, incest, adultery prostitution, pedophilia in churches and porn industries. Shame on you
AdorIslam 1 year ago
You say it does but you offer no proof the Bible condones all these things. You just proved to us you didn't even read the Bible, as I asked you clearly a few easy questions. I see no point of allowing you to run off at the mouth. Feel free to message me with your reply and we'll get the block removed.
MirroringTruth 1 year ago
@MirroringTruth The problem with Islam is that its holy book is full of deceptions. It not only calls Allah a deceiver in Quran 4:142, it also calls him a schemer in Quran 3:54. In Quran 78:37 we read about Allah: [The Lord with whom they cannot dare to speak, none can converse (talk) with Him, none are able to address Him.] Today there are millions of Muslims around the world who address Allah by speaking to him five times a day in prayers. This is pure deception to win followers.
123dsj123 1 year ago
Actually this is incorrect. Muhammad never once received a revelation from Allah. They all came through Jibreel. So this makes the whole Quran "third party".
But this really doesn't make a difference.
The problem is with what you claim your Allah has commanded. It's not the same entity that spoke to the Jews in the OT. Nor the same entity Christ spoke of. The Islamic god is the polar opposite of the other 2 Abrahamic faiths.
MirroringTruth 1 year ago
MirroringTruth
God spoke to people through Arch Angel Gabriel is accepted truth. Even the white dove was not a bird but Angel, the Holy Spirit which guided Jesus was the Angel Gabriel, so he is not a third party but the writers of the Bible are the third party because Jesus never authorized them to write when he preached. OT God is not directly spoke to anyone even according to the OT because OT says Moses spoke to God and God spoke to Moses but failed to clarify anything beyond.
AdorIslam 1 year ago
1)Only accepted by Muslims as truth.
2) Where is your proof the "white dove" (and we'll make note a secondary argument to prove how Muslims can't read: Where does it once say the color of a dove in the 18 times it's mentioned in both ot & nt ?
2a) If we take your misreading, and use Luke 3:22 where it says "You are My beloved Son,": Are you saying an angel has a "beloved Son"?
3) How is an angle not third party? Do you place them at the level of God?
Im out of letters, but point proven.
MirroringTruth 1 year ago
excellent comment my friend(mirroringtruth)
peacechild61 1 year ago
MirroringTruth
Actually this is incorrect. Muhammad never once received a revelation from Allah.
"But whoso is blind in this world shall be blind in the Hereafter, and even more astray from the way." 17:73
\No falsehood can approach it from before or behind it. It is sent down by full of wisdom worthy of all praise. 41:42
We have, without doubt, sent down the message; And assuredly guard it (from corruption). 15:9
voiceofreasoning 1 year ago
Who said Muhammad is the mouthpiece of God besides Muhammad? How do you know it wasn't a jinn that spoke to him? They have been around forever and know the Scriptures, too.
fearworshipGod 1 year ago
fearworshipGod
Who said Muhammad is the mouthpiece
For the last 1450 years the ball is still in your court:
Or do they say, He invented it, Then bring a Sura like it, and call [to your aid] anyone you can, besides God, if you speak the truth (10:37-38)
AdorIslam 1 year ago
fearworshipGod
We have, without doubt, sent down the message; And assuredly guard it (from corruption). 15:9
17:75
Nor does he say (aught) of (his own) desire. 53:3
It is no less than inspiration sent down to him 53:4
He was taught one Mighty in power. 53:5
voiceofreasoning 1 year ago
@voiceofreasoning ;PROVE an allah before you keep dribbling your childish brainwashed junk...then explain WHY we see in your koran 'man's errors' from that era lol
proudfemale 1 year ago
proudfemale
Hi, nice to hear from you after a long time, hope your girl friend keeps you happy. Have you read the Qur'an? You want me to prove God and say it is in you and in the horizon and you refuse to accept. At least kindly tell me what kind of proof do you want? Do you know Arabic? Qur'an came down in Arabic and it talks about your soul and so many other issues as well. Show me the man's error from the era, so we can debate that in an intelligent manner.
voiceofreasoning 1 year ago
@voiceofreasoning Yes, of course have read the errors/mistakes from that era in koran which proves muslims are lied
proof...ANY will do, and you should explain why, even despite millions of desperates trying, NOT ONE has been able to come up with a single shred of even anything...ZILCH
re error...blood clot!!!
proudfemale 1 year ago
snnicky
Bible was hidden from people fr centuries and the Bible was written only 325 years after the ascension of Christ and it carried death penalty for anyone to have a Bible in his possession and interestingly Bible is with the people only for the last 100 years and within that period of time it has gone through may revisions and also there are different versions. What a word oGod to believe!
voiceofreasoning 1 year ago