you remind me of a friend i met while i was in the U.S. i called him trailer Bob, i lost touch with him since i moved back to Scotland, thank you for your videos
a soul is eternal. It cannot perish, thats why when we die our soul goes to heaven or hell. however the spirit is not eternal , and it will die. Our spirit is basically what allows us to use our bodies, to breathe, walk, etc etc. The soul is truly who we are.
Crass: If your assessment is consistent with Scripture, why does the Holy Spirit say "And the very God of peace sanctify you WHOLLY; and [I pray God] your whole spirit and soul and body be preserved blameless unto the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ." (1 Thess 5.23) ... If you were correct, the Holy Spirit made a mistake when He used the word "wholly" in this verse, for He is insinuating that the fullness of man is comprised of SPIRIT, BODY, and SOUL.
@ShamahElim 1st "sanctify you wholly" = Make you holy in every respect.
And I agree with you that the soul and spirit are seperate. What I think it is saying is that we are a living soul, god comes into us as a spirit and the body is both combined
Crass, if God, as an external agent outside of us, were the "spirit" part that 1 Thess 5:23 is referring to, why would it need to be sanctified? Why would it need to be "preserved blameless unto the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ"? Does God need to be preserved blameless? Of course not! Therefore, your assessment of the "spirit" of 1 Thess 5:23 as simply being God "coming into us" is inconsistent with the passage.
If you take time to read the rest of the comments (as you should have before responding to the first one), you will realise that the Gen. passage you quoted is referring to the BEGINNING of man in his growth process. As we shared below, 1 Cor 15:45 delineates the growth path that God intended for man: from a living soul (the 1st Adam) to a life-giving Spirit (the last Adam), like a baby that is born a "dependent" being (a life-RECEIVER) and grows to become an "independent " adult (a life-GIVER).
God urges you to read the rest of the comments and to meditate and pray over them for a few days before even thinking about replying. As the Lord declares in Psalm 119, you must learn to MEDITATE on His word. The soul is prone to "natural reactions" to God's word. The spirit prefers to be shaped and moulded by it. If you continue to see yourself as a "soul in essence" and refuse to recognise your spirit component, you will never grow into the mature spirit that God is calling you to be.
If man is, in his essence a soul, as you claim, why does the Holy Spirit mention the spirit first? If you are correct in your assessment, then the Holy Spirit messed up again when He said, "And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam [was made] a quickening spirit." (1 Cor 15:45), given that the word "Adam" literally means "man".
@ShamahElim to tell you the truth, I think that we are both right. "Among the ancient Hebrews 'soul' was the equivalent of the principle of life as embodied in living creatures, and this meaning is continued throughout the Bible ...
Crass, this comment has nothing to do with the basic question of whether man is in essence a mere soul, as you anti-Biblically claim (as shown by the overwhelming evidence we have presented you with). This comment only emphasises the fact that both animals and humans have souls. It is thus irrelevant.
@ShamahElim "Among the ancient Hebrews 'soul' was the equivalent of the principle of life as embodied in living creatures, and this meaning is continued throughout the Bible ...
"It was Augustine especially who, in part on religious grounds and in part as the disciple of the later Greek Philosophy, taught the simple, immaterial and spiritual nature of the human soul view which has remained that of the scholastic philosophy and of Christian theologians down to the present time."
Crass, Crass, as proved by the abundant Scriptural evidence we have presented in these comments, the spiritual essence of man was NOT invented by Augustine or any other human. It was declared by God Himself throughout Scripture, and all the books in Scripture were written at least 300 years before Augustine was ever on the scene. Therefore, what Augustine may or may not have said is irrelevant. The only thing that matters is what the Spirit of God declares in Scripture.
Crass, Genesis 2:7 says that man BECAME a living soul. That is the only Biblical "evidence" you have to claim that man is, in essence, a soul. However, the book of John also states that the Word BECAME flesh (John 1:14). Does that mean that the Word was flesh in essence? Obviously not! Genesis 2:7 is only depicting an initial stage of man's development; it is not describing his very essence.
What you are missing, Crass, is the fact that Genesis portrays the BEGINNING of man's walk. Man was to progress from the soul state to the spirit state, but, due to man's sin, he became stagnant in the soul stage. We are to grow into the measure of the fullness of the stature of Christ (Ephe 4:13). Therefore, if the latter Adam is a life-giving spirit (1 Cor 15:45) and we are mere souls, God has given us a metaphysically impossible task, meaning that God messed up once again.
If your assessment is correct, God messed up once again when He claimed that He put a "new man" inside of us who was created in accordance with His essence (Eph 4:24), given that God is Spirit (John 4:24). God says that those who worship Him must worship Him in Spirit and in truth (Jn 4:24). Therefore, if your assessment is correct, God made a mistake once again because He gave us a task that is metaphysically impossible for us to fulfil, for, if we are just souls, how can we worship in Spirit?
If your assessment is correct, Crass, the Holy Spirit messed up again when He inspired Paul to pronounce judgements on a man so that his spirit would be saved (1 Cor 5:5). If the man in question was a mere soul, why did Paul care about that man’s spirit suffering eternal loss? If your assessment is correct, the Holy Spirit surely made a fool of Himself when He spoke of the “spirits of the just men being perfected” (Hebrews 12:23).
Apparently, the Holy Spirit believes that man is “perfected” or “completed” when he operates in his spirit nature, but I guess that we must chide the Holy Spirit for contradicting your claim that man is in essence a soul and must not aspire to perfection as a spirit being.
In conclusion, by taking one verse and ignoring its context, you have turned the God of the Bible into a self-contradictory fool and a liar. This is what happens when you speak rashly without first listening to the voice of the Spirit and allowing Him to give you the WHOLE story.
you remind me of a friend i met while i was in the U.S. i called him trailer Bob, i lost touch with him since i moved back to Scotland, thank you for your videos
vizulfun 2 months ago
a soul is eternal. It cannot perish, thats why when we die our soul goes to heaven or hell. however the spirit is not eternal , and it will die. Our spirit is basically what allows us to use our bodies, to breathe, walk, etc etc. The soul is truly who we are.
dragoon414 10 months ago
the Bible tells us that a person does not have a soul, but rather IS a soul. Genesis 2:7 American Standard Version
"And Jehovah God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul."
crass770 1 year ago
Crass: If your assessment is consistent with Scripture, why does the Holy Spirit say "And the very God of peace sanctify you WHOLLY; and [I pray God] your whole spirit and soul and body be preserved blameless unto the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ." (1 Thess 5.23) ... If you were correct, the Holy Spirit made a mistake when He used the word "wholly" in this verse, for He is insinuating that the fullness of man is comprised of SPIRIT, BODY, and SOUL.
ShamahElim 1 year ago
@ShamahElim 1st "sanctify you wholly" = Make you holy in every respect.
And I agree with you that the soul and spirit are seperate. What I think it is saying is that we are a living soul, god comes into us as a spirit and the body is both combined
crass770 1 year ago
Crass, if God, as an external agent outside of us, were the "spirit" part that 1 Thess 5:23 is referring to, why would it need to be sanctified? Why would it need to be "preserved blameless unto the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ"? Does God need to be preserved blameless? Of course not! Therefore, your assessment of the "spirit" of 1 Thess 5:23 as simply being God "coming into us" is inconsistent with the passage.
ShamahElim 1 year ago
If you take time to read the rest of the comments (as you should have before responding to the first one), you will realise that the Gen. passage you quoted is referring to the BEGINNING of man in his growth process. As we shared below, 1 Cor 15:45 delineates the growth path that God intended for man: from a living soul (the 1st Adam) to a life-giving Spirit (the last Adam), like a baby that is born a "dependent" being (a life-RECEIVER) and grows to become an "independent " adult (a life-GIVER).
ShamahElim 1 year ago
God urges you to read the rest of the comments and to meditate and pray over them for a few days before even thinking about replying. As the Lord declares in Psalm 119, you must learn to MEDITATE on His word. The soul is prone to "natural reactions" to God's word. The spirit prefers to be shaped and moulded by it. If you continue to see yourself as a "soul in essence" and refuse to recognise your spirit component, you will never grow into the mature spirit that God is calling you to be.
ShamahElim 1 year ago
If man is, in his essence a soul, as you claim, why does the Holy Spirit mention the spirit first? If you are correct in your assessment, then the Holy Spirit messed up again when He said, "And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam [was made] a quickening spirit." (1 Cor 15:45), given that the word "Adam" literally means "man".
ShamahElim 1 year ago
@ShamahElim to tell you the truth, I think that we are both right. "Among the ancient Hebrews 'soul' was the equivalent of the principle of life as embodied in living creatures, and this meaning is continued throughout the Bible ...
crass770 1 year ago
Crass, this comment has nothing to do with the basic question of whether man is in essence a mere soul, as you anti-Biblically claim (as shown by the overwhelming evidence we have presented you with). This comment only emphasises the fact that both animals and humans have souls. It is thus irrelevant.
ShamahElim 1 year ago
@ShamahElim I love your video man but im sorry to say that only humans have souls, all other animals have spirits only.
dragoon414 10 months ago
@ShamahElim "Among the ancient Hebrews 'soul' was the equivalent of the principle of life as embodied in living creatures, and this meaning is continued throughout the Bible ...
"It was Augustine especially who, in part on religious grounds and in part as the disciple of the later Greek Philosophy, taught the simple, immaterial and spiritual nature of the human soul view which has remained that of the scholastic philosophy and of Christian theologians down to the present time."
crass770 1 year ago
Crass, Crass, as proved by the abundant Scriptural evidence we have presented in these comments, the spiritual essence of man was NOT invented by Augustine or any other human. It was declared by God Himself throughout Scripture, and all the books in Scripture were written at least 300 years before Augustine was ever on the scene. Therefore, what Augustine may or may not have said is irrelevant. The only thing that matters is what the Spirit of God declares in Scripture.
ShamahElim 1 year ago
@ShamahElim YES!! You are so right man! GOD BLESS!
dragoon414 10 months ago
@ShamahElim The first man Adam was made a living soul. See Ge 2:7. From him came our natural life.
The last Adam, Christ, of whom Adam was a type.
A living spirit. By giving life to the dead, and imparting spiritual existence.
crass770 1 year ago
Crass, Genesis 2:7 says that man BECAME a living soul. That is the only Biblical "evidence" you have to claim that man is, in essence, a soul. However, the book of John also states that the Word BECAME flesh (John 1:14). Does that mean that the Word was flesh in essence? Obviously not! Genesis 2:7 is only depicting an initial stage of man's development; it is not describing his very essence.
ShamahElim 1 year ago
What you are missing, Crass, is the fact that Genesis portrays the BEGINNING of man's walk. Man was to progress from the soul state to the spirit state, but, due to man's sin, he became stagnant in the soul stage. We are to grow into the measure of the fullness of the stature of Christ (Ephe 4:13). Therefore, if the latter Adam is a life-giving spirit (1 Cor 15:45) and we are mere souls, God has given us a metaphysically impossible task, meaning that God messed up once again.
ShamahElim 1 year ago
If your assessment is correct, God messed up once again when He claimed that He put a "new man" inside of us who was created in accordance with His essence (Eph 4:24), given that God is Spirit (John 4:24). God says that those who worship Him must worship Him in Spirit and in truth (Jn 4:24). Therefore, if your assessment is correct, God made a mistake once again because He gave us a task that is metaphysically impossible for us to fulfil, for, if we are just souls, how can we worship in Spirit?
ShamahElim 1 year ago
If your assessment is correct, Crass, the Holy Spirit messed up again when He inspired Paul to pronounce judgements on a man so that his spirit would be saved (1 Cor 5:5). If the man in question was a mere soul, why did Paul care about that man’s spirit suffering eternal loss? If your assessment is correct, the Holy Spirit surely made a fool of Himself when He spoke of the “spirits of the just men being perfected” (Hebrews 12:23).
ShamahElim 1 year ago
Apparently, the Holy Spirit believes that man is “perfected” or “completed” when he operates in his spirit nature, but I guess that we must chide the Holy Spirit for contradicting your claim that man is in essence a soul and must not aspire to perfection as a spirit being.
ShamahElim 1 year ago
In conclusion, by taking one verse and ignoring its context, you have turned the God of the Bible into a self-contradictory fool and a liar. This is what happens when you speak rashly without first listening to the voice of the Spirit and allowing Him to give you the WHOLE story.
ShamahElim 1 year ago