Superman IV feature - part 1 [with Mark Pillow]

[eternalhalloween1]

I know even Christopher Reeve said in his book "Still Me" that "Superman" 4 was a disaster.

But in all honesty, I didn't think it was so bad. I kind of liked it. I thought it dealt with some relevant issues of the time. Whether it was Superman's right to intervene, etc.

It also underlines how some people profit from keeping the fear of the destruction of the earth alive. Also the fight between Superman and Nuclearman was well done.

I really don't think this was a bad film.

[sethmanrockandroll]

@eternalhalloween1

The problem with these hollywood guys is that they just don't know how to wing it. If you listen to a lot of the filmmakers working on these superman movies, you'll hear them go on and worrying about Marlon Brando footage and different directors, yatta yatta. THIS movie doesn't have any Brando in it, it has NUCLEAR MAN (or I use to call him Sun Man) and its my favorite! And then the Second one is right behind it, Kneel Before Zod!

[eternalhalloween1]

@sethmanrockandroll I didn't much like 1. (Too slow) I thought 2 was a lot better. I liked how Superman had to fight 3 beings with his powers. And also that Lex had the courage to deal with them. And of course the look at Superman's character.

3 was my favorite. Richard Pryor was HILARIOUS. And also there were some dark serious moments like where Superman had to fight himself.

I feel SM 4 (like "ROCKY" V) was unfairly maligned. 4 was what 1 should have been.

[sethmanrockandroll]

@eternalhalloween1

Exactly. By the way, I enjoyed Rocky V also, unfortunately it takes Balboa out of the ring but it has a lot of interesting stuff like the after effects of fighting Drago, Rocky having to go back to the streets because he loses his fortune, the family problems, and then at the end we see Rocky standing up to Gunn while knowing that any of the strikes could potentially kill him... thats great stuff.

[eternalhalloween1]

@sethmanrockandroll Yea. I also like how GW Duke was SO bad. But he was also SO hilarious. V got away from the underdog theme and took an interesting turn. (It dealt with deception. Something mentioned in 1, but never really explored.)

I also liked how V showed that people loved Rocky even outside of the ring.

And I liked how we were upset by TG's seduction by GW Duke.

In fact, I can't help but feel "Rocky" V influenced "Star Wars" 'Revenge of the Sith.'

[sethmanrockandroll]

@eternalhalloween1

It actually had a better underdog theme than Rocky III, as far as I see things. In Rocky III he has to try and get back to the streets and relearn the Eye Of the Tiger, but he still had his wealth to fall back on regardless of what happened. In Rocky V he actually was broke. I just didn't feel like there was much on the line between him and Clubber Lang either. I liked all the other ones better, Rocky III was mostly good for the footage clips, but thats me.

[eternalhalloween1]

@sethmanrockandroll III was alright. I just feel Mr. T was too obnoxious. In 2, Apollo did some not so nice things, but we could see he had understandable frustrations. (The hate mail, a letter suggesting he kill himself, etc.)

I did like how Apollo helped Rocky in 3.

The character of Lang was just too exaggerated for me, and he had no redeeming qualities.

Tommy was a decent guy, and I liked how we could feel sad as he fell under GW Duke's seduction.

[sethmanrockandroll]

@eternalhalloween1

Tommy was also real interesting because of that dark streak he had inside of him, the rough streak that would emerge every now and then even before Duke got him. He's an interesting and complex character, most people just don't really give him the time though.

[eternalhalloween1]

@sethmanrockandroll I think a lot of people didn't like "Rocky" V because they weren't ready to see the tragic fall of a hero. (Namely Tommy Gunn.) Going back to Part 1, even Rocky had some outbursts and issues.

I see Tommy as a nice guy who had some faults. And he became corrupted through temptations that were hard to resist. How many people could give $20,000. and a nice new car back?

Also Rocky was offered a chance at the title. It didn't seem to come for Tommy without GW Duke.

[manoftomorrow79]

we all know why they said no to another superman sequel after this one: cause it sucked ass.

[DarPower1]

Reeve eventually hated the film, ao oxymoron anyone?

[NukeAllSnarks]

"Incredibly, here in the 21st century, some people still appear to believe that nuclear weapons have a rational combat role. This idea must be stamped out completely before it can grow further."

--Tadatoshi Akiba, mayor of Hiroshima

"For me, Quest for Peace is the most personal Superman of the entire series. It directly reflects what Superman should be, and what he should be doing."

--Christopher Reeve

... and thank God Reeve did his best to stamp out that retarded idea ...

[ikadir18]

He was awesome as Nuclear Man. An impressive physique aswell

[finchy633]

The moon scene is total crap. I was about 10 when I watched this, and thought that then.

[blueberry1970]

@finchy633 I was also 10 when I watched this movie in a theatre, and realised there was something wrong when I saw the cheap glitter of the opening credit sequence. It was a deflating experience.

[checkoutgirl]

@TheArtist998 So he's a good actor because he lives across the street from you ? Hmmm. That is a strange rationale.

[palpatine17]

Mark Pillow is the most underrated actor of all time.

[princeofthieves1000]

"silconsurf," shut the fuck up. First, you're very insecure in your masculinity since you're yammering on about gay this and queer bait that.

Second, they went with NUCLEAR Man because this is an anti-nuclear film -- its priority was to promote nuclear abolition. NOT to placate some snide bitchy fan.

"When you watch a movie like this, you have to let your imagination go."

Thank God SOMEbody has some fucking sense! Thank you, "readynow."

[siliconsurf]

fucking nuke man is so gay...should've used some queer bait like darkseid or something.

[siliconsurf]

They should've just ended after Superman 2. They just tried milk the fuck out of chris reeves with really shitty scripts.

[princeofthieves1000]

"satchfan," fuck off. I AM going to tell you snide, bitchy fans to quit turning your stuck up noses up in the air! I AM going to remind you that the movie's message is FAR more important than your desire to be enraptured by a cinematic experience! SOMEbody needs to teach you people right from wrong!

It's NOT about liking Quest for Peace, it's about respecting the good it can do and leaving it the fuck alone! Ya wanna pick on a movie? Pick on Dude Where's My Car? and Beverly Hills Chihuahua!

[fenriz218]

Wind on the moon? That's where NASA also failed!

That's unscientific! (*nerdgrin*)

[TheGreenVoter]

"For me, Quest for Peace is the most personal Superman of the entire series. It directly reflects what Superman should be, and what he should be doing."

–Christopher Reeve, 1987

I'm sick and tired of inbred retards talking shit -- there's NOTHING wrong with The Quest for Peace! Abolishing nuclear weapons is FAR more important than "suspension of disbelief" or whether some already colossally spoiled suburbanite was enraptured by a cinematic experience!

[satchfan2010]

@TheGreenVoter ''The less said about Superman 4, the better''

Christopher Reeve

Oh, it was also a box office flop, and not surprisingly prior to the film's release Reeve thought that the film was going to be ''terrible'' his fears ultimately came to fruition. You like it? great, but don't tell other's what they should like.

[Nagneto]

Mark Pillow was fantastic, he should have been in more movies.

[jamminjohn]

I remember seeing this as a kid. Thanks for the trip down memory lane!

[siliconsurf]

superman 4 was awful...

[readynow12345]

When you watch a movie like this you have to let your imagination go, that is the only way you can truly watch it / enjoy it, just think you're on another planet.

[nugget421]

shaneo is a kitty

[TheWorstWarlock]

I'm sending this clip to my friend. For over a decade, he said that Nuclear man was played by Dolph Lundgren. Now he can SUCKOUT

[artofpoetry]

@TheWorstWarlock that's hilarious. so what did your friend say?

[TheWorstWarlock]

@artofpoetry He just grunted and said "fair enough". Disappointing, I know.

[alucard624]

This should have been on the Superman IV DVD in the boxset. Once again, WB holds back. Where did you find this making of special?

[TheIncredibleDrAss]

IF YOU DO NOT TELL ME I WILL HURT PEOPLE

[level22productions]

@TheIncredibleDrAss LMAO ahhh I couldn't stop laughing when I heard him say that in the movie

[Artisan1979]

It's a sad thing when behind-the-scenes stuff is more appealing than the actual picture.

[ForeverFilms1995]

Mark Pillow seems like a nice guy that didn't deserve to be a part of this abomination.

[007therealjamesbond]

I think Mark Pillow has a winery somewhere in the states now

[GESSO217]

I wish this kind of stuff was on the Superman 4 DVD.

[letthebeathitem]

he's a pillow biter

[gerald380]

Mark Pillow kicks ass

[knoxvilleguy2]

Mark Pillow looks like a younger David Hasselhoff, & I think he played the priest in the " Boy's Town " scene at the end of the movie as well as Nuclear Man with his Nuclear Manicure.

[knoxvilleguy2]

Mark Pillow is probably off selling 5 million dollar houses, or cars, or something. He kinda looks like a young David Hasselhoff with a blonde wig.

The Nuclear Man costume was the scariest part of the movie !!!

[FilmNMusicBuff77]

Mark Pillow looks like LEX LUGER!

[TheKaijuSciFiGuy]

I remember listening to the commentary on the Superman IV DVD and the head writer Mark Rosenthal said he wanted Mark Pillow to do the commentary with him but no one knew where he was.

[ForeverFilms1995]

@TheKaijuSciFiGuy

Are you serious?!?

[TheKaijuSciFiGuy]

That is what was said in the commentary. Supposedly Mark PIllow is in Spring. Texas (just north of Houston)

[alucard624]

Yep, he lives there. Not too far away from where I live either. Would be tempting to try and meet him someday, but he probably wants his privacy respected so who knows. Hell, I don't even know what he looks like now.

[pattyk77]

@alucard624 You can listen to a phone interview online with mark pillow, very cool as he talks about how he got the role of nuclear man. It might even be on youtube now. You can also google a recent pic of him.