a few years ago two parent went out for dinner a few hours later the babysitter was calling to ask if she can cover up the clown statue in the kids room,the father says taks the kids out of the house we'll call the police we don't have a clown statue the " clown statue" is really a killer that escapes from jail .if you don't post this letter on to 10 videos the clown will be in your bed at 3:00 am with a chainsaw in his hand.
May be politician and army eyes can see the success...but how can it be? Muslims always aganist America, even who live in the USA. Is US army or the US politicians can change Muslim's heart? Some Muslims oiling US politicians for their personal gain. Be wise America! Ask Wisdom to take next step. GB
The Chinese own DC. This war is just to keep our minds off China taking over our jobs, banks, food and oil plus it makes Halliburtons and Exxons rich. A small group of crazed Arabs with box cutters suckered this whole country into spending $4 trill on sand castles while the Chinese are quietly taking over. No wonder Japan hates them.
Yes lets blame those foriegners and not the republican administration, who actually took out that debt in order to line their own pockets. The american people have been sold up the river to the chinese by bush's tax cuts and wars
No wonder that Japan hates the f...ing Chinese (NOT THE ARABS). I got nothing against the crazed Arabs of 9/11 - they're just another result of our gov't mideast policies. The WMD is slave labor in China not Iraq.
-----the Chinese own 28% of our foreign debt in the US...they are financing our wars in Iraq and Aphghanistan, I call that a hate crime against ourselves...who is the REAL enemy????????????
And what is so difficult to believe that I have pored over the CT for seven years? I HAVE. Not only have I watched all of the major 9/11-related CT films, including a substantial amount of Jones' output, plus most films on the subject of Waco and other American injustices, plus dozens of full-length features I have downloaded, 100s of videos that I have watched on YT, hundreds of sites and debates and videos and television programs...I have become VERY familiar with the story and CT in general.
ANY challenge to your particular claims as to the crimes of the government is seen as synonymous with support for that government. I believe that the Bush government callously exploited the 9/11 attacks for the benefit of an extremist (though in line with decades of appalling foreign policy) brand of aggressive liberalism (i.e. the democracy dispensed from the barrel of a gun brand favoured by the neocons, mostly JFK-styled Democrats and former Trotskyites).
It is interesting to note that you completely ignored the fact that I attacked a chauvinist supporter of the war on terror. Was this too much nuance for you, not quite black and white enough? Do you simply block out that which does not fit your dogma? Is this not simplistic or cartoonish enough? Reality is more complex than YouTube videos consisting of montages of Nazis goosestepping spliced with footage of Bush and the neocons put to industrial music.
The odd thing is, I do believe that the Bush Administration is fully capable of killing two-thousand + American civilians, I simply have not seen any evidence that they have. They certainly had no compunction of the killing of perhaps more than a HUNDRED THOUSAND TIMES THAT in Iraq. Every fiber of my being is opposed to the bogus "war on terror" and, generally speaking, opposed to neocolonialist/imperialist neoliberal policy abroad. Just because I do not believe the 9/11 CT does not mean..
I support, in any way, the regime that the CTers claim carried it out.
Imagine that someone came to me and said, "Douglas Feith put the hit in on Abraham Lincoln." and I looked at the evidence and came to my own conclusion that this was implausible and likely impossible, only to be reprimanded as someone who supports the devil and belligerent foreign policy, etc. - this is similar to what you have done.
It requires no evidence or logic, it is nothing but a cowardly smear.
in pursuing. I MUST assume this is because you cannot support your claims. You FINALLY make a vague and FAMILIAR claim that WTC7 was detonated by CD and I offer a more precise counterpoint and you simply deride me as working for the great beast. When I complain about your CONSTANT accusations you further insult me with a claim that I am the one who is an "angry twisted something". Hey, I am willing to put my words on the line and am prepared to defend them. Unlike you, cowering away and bleating
I hate to get rude, but these accusations from these CT sheep are tiresome. And CTers are fundamentally passive, intellectually speaking. You simply cannot believe for a second that someone with similar political ideas might disagree with mainstream CT, so you insist that I am what...CIA...someone working "misinformation or dysinformation professional"? You cannot imagine what this charge sounds like to an anarchist like me. It would be hilarious if it were not so tragic.
Ignoring our shared antipathies for the Bush regime, think about whether or not this is even remotely plausible. Why would he admit that on television if it were true? "I remember getting a call from the, er, fire department commander, telling me that they were not sure they were gonna be able to contain the fire, and I said, "We've had such terrible loss of life, maybe the smartest thing to do is pull it." And THEY MADE that decision to pull and we watched the building collapse."
We are to believe that these men committed a mass murder of their fellow citizens in one of the most well organized conspiracies ever to grace the Earth, yet were ignorant of the possible consequences of admitting in a television documentary on government owned PBS that they ordered the controlled demolition of WTC7 right next to the fresh rubble of WTC 1 & 2 that was being scavenged in a panic for possible survivors.
Sorry ganubis, i hate to say it, but my impression is that you are trying to bullshit us all over here, or you were just hatched yesterday. Maybe you have plans of becoming the devil's right hand or something such. i know people can be dull and obstinate, or even sinister, but you are a prize in this way. These guys on the program they are just scared of offending the Cesar, or the rich controllers in modern civilization.
If TRN wants credibility it should air more viewpoints on important issues like this one. Having the "Oliver Stone" of PoliSci makes the coverage appear to be very biased:
1. There was never any sectarian conflict.
2. Al Qaeda in Iraq is a fabrication.
3. There is really no change in the level of violence.
4. There is a world-wide media conspiracy to cover up the fact that Iraqis are being shot in the back of the head by the US/Iraqi Govt.
1. He pointed out that the sectarian violence was POLITICAL violence, not over religious differences.
2. The military freely admits that AQI is a minuscule force. Their strength and their ties to the formal al Qaeda (the 9/11 ones) has always been exaggerated for political ends.
3. I agree that this was unclear or incorrect.
4. Many of the murders were being carried out by the militias controlled by the Iraqi security forces. He never spoke of a conspiracy.
If you listen to the words that are being spoken in this video versus what we hear form the major news networks, it sounds like alot of Media Spin is happening in regards to conditions in Iraq....this is a very interesting piece and more pieces like this should be done...as you can tell the interviewer was like most journalist and wanted the interviewee to say what the public wanted to hear...he kept pushing him to say the surge worked and he gave his account repeatedly....gotta love it
(in response to vking84) I don't know, I have a feeling the journalist (Paul Jay) performing the interview was merely bouncing common counterarguments off al Nasseri in order to propel the interview. He was offering them up for Nasseri to knock down. I do not believe that Jay was trying to shoot down Nasseri,he was only leading him through the claims we see in the establishment/corporate media, having Nasseri respond to and critique those claims.
Who is the US supporting in Saudi Arabia? Pakistan? Algeria? What are the doing in Somalia via Ethiopia? What are they doing in the central asian stans? What of the millions who perished by US hand/or by proxy in South East Asia in the decades following WWII? What of the dozens of independent nationalist governments overthrown in the poorest regions, replaced with strong armed right wing dictatorships and comprador class?
Gwynne Dyer, Noam Chomsky, Howard Zinn, Patrick Cockurn (I have a paid subscription to Counterpunch), John Pilger (whom I met last year).Arhundati Roy, David Barsamian, Amy Goodman, Naomi Klein, Michael Parenti.
I see some PNAC watch stuff in your favourites, you might be interested to know that the group is a fav. topic of mine. I even added the Unipolar Table to the Wikipedia article on the subject.
the claims put forth by the CT/truther community. While it may be theoretically possible, I have seen no proof provided by anyone, and what evidence offered is easily unmasked as clear fabrication and distortion by the CT community. You cannot fight lies with lies. I had another CTer simply BLOCK me from another video because he could not form a rebuttal of what I had asked him. Keep in mind that the CT community is the first to call out with claims that free speech is being squelched. The irony
is grotesque. CTers should neither be blocking or CENSORING opposition views nor should CTers be accusing everyone who does not agree with their claims as UNBELIEVERS! and BRAINWASHED! This method is far too similar to those practiced by ORGANIZED RELIGION. Again, the IRONY.
I do not take my cues from TOP DOWN authority, though I admit I have not launched my own independent study into the destruction of the WTC. I do read dissident literature and foreign policy from a plethora of sources.
Also: keep in mind that charging me with defending the American government is not an argument, nor would it be accurate. I will take such accusations as you conceding. Insults and accusations are acts of desperation and I will follow them with ridicule. My opinion is that the wars launched on BOTH Afghanistan and Iraq were massive crimes and that those involved, from the principles in the White House to the civilians in the PNAC & Committee on the Present Danger are vicious war criminals.
War crimes you say. Saddam gased his own people is not a war crime? Saddam invading Kuwait is not a war crime? Saddam firing SCUD's into Israel is not a war crime? Al-Qaeda bombing U.S. embassies is not a crime? Al-Qaeda high jacked airliners and use them as guided missiles is not a crime? If these are not crimes in your opinion. Then what is? Woe to those who call evil, good and good, evil. This is what you are doing. Calling evil, good and good, evil.
No, I did not call what those people did "good". Re-read what I wrote and you will see that at no point did I applaud or approve of any of their crimes. The US was supporting Hussein with billions of US tax dollars and arming it through proxy allies (ex. Italy) when he gassed his own people. The Reagan administration blocked US condemnation of the act and blamed the act on Iran. That lie stood until the US required anti-Saddam propaganda in 1990.
What was the US supporting in East Timor and Indonesia and Turkey? What had the US formally supported in Afghanistan which left it a destroyed wasteland begging for strongmen like the Taliban to take over? How many terrorists and war criminals from the dirty war in South America does the US currently shelter? What of the regular crimes of Israel which go unpunished because its main ally is a permanent (and most imporant) member of the Security Council?
I will ask further questions as this debate continues. Perhaps you should explain the HOW first.
How did the US government orchestrate 9/11?
Hell, begin with an explanation of just how they managed to prep the building for implosion. (Marvin Bush being on the board for Securacom is not an explanation - besides, that company ended its contact with WTC three years earlier - just one of innumerable distortions by truther crowd).
So yes, how did they manage to prep three buildings for CD?
And what exactly did I post (other than my comment about "truther swill") that lead you to say I sounded brainwashed? I attacked the official line that there was religious Sunni v Shia sectarian war in Iraq and the popular "no blood for oil" line, explaining that the invasion was not carried out for Exxon's enrichment, but for strategic control of the world's second largest oil reserves. Oil is but one factor in Iraq from which all others extend ...but they are not there to "steal" the oil.
You do not seem to look beyond what you believe or apparently what pays your bills. I grew up around people who were brainwashed and agressive. Good religious and patriotic people who would all agree or be "crazy" out of it. Contrary to God. You can tell they are brainwashed because they believe that you are wrong if you do not say the right words. In fact they will try to mess you up if you do not say their words. They will call you a name with a derogatory term like "truther swill". As if!
My entire life is spent looking beyond the commonplace. Could you specify what you are speaking of, or are you going to continue to tap dance in vague terms? I am neither religious nor patriotic nor aggressive. I am passive (and a pacifist) and have personally incurred much suffering from the established order, business and authority figures. You seem to have jumped to the conclusion that I am somehow an establishment stooge without knowing the first thing about me. I admit I jumped to my own..
My entire life is spent looking beyond the commonplace. Could you specify what you are speaking of, or are you going to continue to tap dance in vague terms? I am neither religious nor patriotic nor aggressive. I am passive (and a pacifist) and have personally incurred much suffering from the established order, business and authority figures. You seem to have jumped to the conclusion that I am somehow an establishment stooge without knowing the first thing about me. I admit I jumped to my own
conclusion, and if you are not a truther I will gladly withdraw that remark. In any case I shall withdraw it and hear you out, as CT greatly interests me. I jumped to the conclusion that you were a truther because of your claim that 9/11 was "staged". The fact is you cannot visit a single video on youtube related to politics without being assaulted by the disciples of Alex Jones and other "believers" of popular CT hokum.
I find their brand of fanaticism remarkably similar to that of "good religious folk" - anyone who disagrees is doomed to hell. I assumed that this was what you meant by "You get to belong and wear a suit as part of your living." I believed this was your way (along with "brainwashed") as branding me a lost soul marked for ideological limbo.
Do you make your living pushing these views? If you are an adverse person and are on a side that takes action against another side, it means that everything you say will support your side. If the hierarchy is multi-level, it means that it is convoluted and supported by lies or propaganda. You won't see it because all your arguments will be something like there are people over there who need to be neutralized. Hitler and Stalin had people on their sides too. Caiephus had people on his side.
Okay, it is time to speak clearly - you have been very cautious about what you have said and this has lead to reduced clarity. I could interpret what you are saying a good dozen or so ways without knowing what you are speaking of. You have not dared commit yourself to anything specific, only general word production and have still not explained what you meant by "911 was a staged event".
Only a mad man would take "sides" - I am only representing my own world view, as much as that is possible.
If you look carefully at what happened that day you will see 3 buildings in the World trade center come down by demolition, or should i say highly orchestrated demolition complete with blasting concrete to cover the progression in the twin towers. This is a case where "experts" see what they are told to see and are paid to see, or are theaten if they did not see what they are told to see. It is like Sgt. Shultz from Hogan's Heroes. "I know nothing","I see nothing" "Say nothing" "hear nothing"
I have looked carefully at mountains of claims like this and have found nothing resembling evidence of this. Not only is there no evidence of this (excepting for massive distortions by those who desire to believe this fantastic story), but it is also entirely illogical and implausible. Be forewarned, I have am very familiar with these claims.
First question: What proof do you have?
2nd: How was this carried out?
3rd: How do the conspirators manage to control the "experts" and prevented...
The innumerable people related to the conspiracy from ever speaking out?
4th Why - when the US could have launched other false flag operations given that the one you claim was carried out was, more or less technically impossible, and at the very least, extremely risky - (keep in mind that the discovery of a plot to murder thousands of US civilians by the leadership would have been answered with death penalties for all involved in the clearest example of treason in US history)
It seems like you are looking for an "authoritative coming from on high" variation of the truth. That is not the nature of truth. Truth starts at the bottom and not the top of a hierarchy. In fact the nature of hierarchy has very little to do with truth other than it is likely to try to supersede the truth. Our single most recognizable icon of truth has been adopted by hierarchies, but was never actually a member of a hierarchy, but was in fact killed by various hierarchies in collusion.
No, I am STILL looking for a CLEAR clarification/explanation of a claim you made two days ago and seven full responses earlier. Instead I am given a song and dance about the nature of hierarchical systems, something with which I am intimately aware.
YOU have made claims here which YOU refuse to support. In place of explanations I receive ACCUSATIONS such as "It seems like you are looking for an "authoritative coming from on high" variation of the truth." - I am asking for YOUR explanation.
I am attempting to remain as polite as possible despite your craven little default accusations of "COLLABORATOR!" You cannot label all those who question your claims as collaborators working for the evil cabal which you oppose. I spend every moment of my life living and breathing activism opposed to militarism, nationalism, corporativism, state capitalism, fascism, etc. and then I face people like you who, while cornered with nothing to back up their CT claims, am accused of being...
a brainswashed lackey in a suit who looks upward for the hand of authority to hand me the truth.
I could respond to this with a very legitimate and resounding "FUCK YOU", but I won't. You seem bright and I want to hear YOUR explanation for the controlled demolition of the three WTC buildings (for starters). I have thought about it AT LENGTH (almost seven years) and have gorged myself on every conceivable form of CT and have come to the conclusion that there is no evidence which supports...
You are aware that our responses take some time to fall into line with those people we were responding to. Our responses to each other are first displayed on the thread like common posts in response to the video. In time they will be tapered in and posted underneath the previous posts we wrote them in response to. I know you wrote this in response to me because I receive an email when someone responds to my posts. Though I cannot tell which post of mine you wrote this (grasshop) in response to.
My posts which appear after saved03 pulls his straw man argument are all in response to him, not to you hypnofan35. My standing question for you was an explanation of your claim that 9/11 was orchestrated.
If you study the matter very carefully the truth will come together for you. If you are fighting to protect a lie you will likely shut out the truth and never assemble the parts. "You shall be eternally and progressively more conceptually fragmented until you get Alzheimers or a brain tumor." Somebody said that. That is the way reality works. The only problem is most status holding folks tend to defend their lies, even to the extent of murder, but more often with foolish denials.
hypno: I never said that I was of any particular stature. I am a lowly university student/grocery clerk. Hardly someone living in an ivory tower.
I have poured over 9/11 for years and have never seen anything that that suggests that 9/11 was an inside job. I have watched dozens of Alex Jones films and read the claims of truthers everywhere and none of it holds any water or "makes sense". I was hoping that you might have some information that might change that, but thus far you have refused.
I was extremely depressed circa 2003/2004 and at that time I found CT very appealing. The idea of real monsters making my world a sour place spoke to my urge to surrender myself to hopelessness. CT is encouraged by those at the peak of the hierarchical system because it ENGENDERS APATHY. Your first post here screamed apathy: "It is all horseshit." "making up stuff" "all these people in suits talking about made up stuff" - this is EXACTLY why CT is popular, it rewards PASSIVITY.
The CT expressed by the CT community renders resistance meaningless. IF the government forces are so powerful that they can control this information (at the same time that people like Alex Jones can openly REVEAL the apocalyptic nature of the evil freemason cabal which drives the earth) as you describe, then we have already lost.
We might as well sit around and write fantastical ideas which wind in tight circles and reject anything else as "made up stuff by guys in suits".
"I have poured over 9/11 for years and have never seen anything that that suggests that 9/11 was an inside job. I have watched dozens of Alex Jones films and read the claims of truthers everywhere and none of it holds any water or "makes sense"."
No, I am not a "joke", but I have come to expect juvenile responses like yours from the shallow FOLLOWER types which frequent the truther channels.
When you have something to say, please say it, otherwise I will reject you as merely another unthinking peon of gross manipulators like Jones and Dylan Avery.
The problem with your type is that you assume that anyone who has not accepted your particular gospel has been turned against what you believe to TRUTH by Satan.
Yes, brave little man, you come here and spout off with You are a joke and then scurry away without explaining what you mean. Please do explain, please set me straight if you do believe that I am in need of setting straight. Or are you another coward with a collection of diverting YouTube links and no mind of your own? If you have a perspective and wish to share it, please do, if you only want to pass in the night with childish playground ridicule, you can continue to spank your brains out
to the sad little collection of "Sexy Horny Teen Amateur Seducing Webcam Pussy" videos you have mixed in with your reposting of other people's crackpot conspiracy vids (complete with dramatic Hollywood movie teaser trailer music - the other soundtrack to CT vids other than industrial). I sincerely doubt that you have the cranial capacity to think outside what others predigest and preconfigure for you in all these ridiculously simplistic montage videos.
Okay, forget the insults for a moment and answer a question: if you claim to possess a truth you believe I am too deluded to comprehend, why the lack of concern for me or my edification? If you see me as a lost soul, why only insult me ("You are a joke") and leave? This is the reason I believe you are nothing but another nihilistic fraud posturing as someone "in the know". You assume this by driving to the most extreme points on the political compass.
All the bases are covered if you claim an occult-obsessed NWO cabal is planning a Earth-wide genocide; no one can call you a dupe if you have already leaped to the most extreme conclusion.
Except if I came into the room, saw your videos on YouTube and told you that YOU were a joke for believing that there is a NWO comprised of petty human beings running the world. AHA!
truthspeaker is a joke. Why? Because he is unaware that the Bilderberg Group are extraterrestrials! What an ignoramus!
You might find this unfair, but it is quite clear that you, hypno and substantial ring of the CT community are expressing this consistent circular logic. It is the most basic of self-defense mechanisms. Go to a Christian message board and argue against the existence of a creator and you will face precisely the same mechanisms of denial.
Why don't I believe in god? Because of course I have been corrupted by Satan - I am a lost cause, and the discussion ends now. SAME EXACT RESPONSE AS YOU.
What you and the religious types share is a brand of FANTACISM. Nothing can penetrate the little world that you have created, nothing could EVER convince you "Oh wait, perhaps that DOESN'T make any sense." or "Yeah, that does contradict the other core tenant of my beliefs" or "Yeah, shit, maybe history IS more complicated than six minute videoson YouTube edited together in a style reminiscent of music videos, can express."
i won't try to make you believe anything that you do not wish to believe. For me it is not a matter of isolated statement. It is quite broad ranging, so it is more than a feeling. It is a little like seeing all the signs and putting it together. How about 3 buildings and maybe two planes or no planes? Even that fellow who owned the building and was set to collect serious money was trying to say he was not in on it when he said to pull the Bldg 7 and it came down on his order. It was recorded.
You mention two popular distortions by the truther crowd. First of all, Silverstein has so far LOST money on the destruction and reconstruction of WTC. Look that up. Secondly, the term "pull" is NOT a term used by fire departments to describe CD. The nearest phrase is relates to pulling DOWN a building or debris WITH CABLES. And who was Silverstein speaking with? The FDNY Chief of Operations Daniel Nigro. The FDNY does not detonate 52 storey buildings in the middle of a crisis where hundreds
of their comrades are buried. There exists mountain loads of information pertaining to the pulling of fire fighters near WTC7, and to focus on this one select quote from a PBS documentary as proof that the FDNY conspired to destroy a third building only so Silverstein could collect his insurance money, is so laughable I do know what to say. Do you not think the insurance company might take issue with his GOING ON TELEVISION AND ADMITTING TO CONSPIRING TO BLOW UP HIS OWN REAL ESTATE?
You are so full of it! You misrepresent yourself, you make all these convoluted arguments. There are alot of people trying to achieve the limelight on this matter. You sound more like a high priced legal representative. And where does that name ganubis come from? There is alot of misinformation flying around and you are apparently a misinformation or dysinformation professional. I don't think i have any more answers to your BS tactics. Go serve the devil. i hear it pays well.
Now my arguments are "convoluted" - PLEASE CHALLENGE THEM IF YOU CAN. You have said close to NOTHING and have only put forth paranoid theories about my identity. My name is Matthew and I am 30 years old and was born in a suburb of Montreal Quebec on May 29, 1978. I work at a health food store and I am a history major at Concordia University. Do you wish to have my phone number and address so that you can verify that I do not work for the freaking cabal that blew up the WTC?
What? Now I "serve the devil"? Do you even hear how indoctrinated with this religious fervor you are? The name "ganubis" is a silly phrase which comes from the accidental blending of my band's name (ganesha) and the name Anubis (which was the name of our second album of surreal stoner jams). My other screen name is Horseytown (the name of another album of ours). Check Wikipedia and you will see that I have contributed to the article on the PNAC. I AM OPPOSED TO THEM AND THE WAR, fuckface.
The devil ain't religious. The devil is a myth of religion, but interestingly is not a myth, it speaks from your face. And i think you are an angry twisted something. I do not believe anything you say no matter how you lay it out.
I did not mean literally, I meant that you are borrowing from religious sources yet ARE SIMULTANEOUSLY BORROWING THE METHODS OF CONTROL FAVOURED BY RELIGION. The method you are utilizing is defamation by insistence of corruption. This is intellectual excommunication - I disagree with you so I MUST work for the devil. It is ridiculous and juvenile and lamentable and all that and it achieves nothing except that you clearly wish for me to be silenced. You started a debate that you have no interest
Wait, do you have it in my head that I support the war? I am opposed to all war and have spent years dedicated to arguing against them - ALL OF THEM. I have very few ideological allies.
You get what you pay for, willing to dish out the cash for the extra troops, you get the stability. Its a success for the battle, not so much for the war. but then again I'm no fan of you yanks so you losing the war is me winning the war. Keep the surge going folks, support the troops! haha
The ex Al Qeada, Mahdi Army, and Sunni extremist, are now called "Concerned Local Citizens" or CLC. This group of 80,000 men, "the CLC", are now on the U.S. Army payroll to a tune of 24 million dollars a month. They should call it the splurge.
McCain and Bush state that the SURGE used to enforce and construct hundreds of small areas of confinement is a Success and use the Death Rate as proof that there policy is working.
The US Army Generals fail to report and attempt to hide the True Facts of the Declined Death rate that is costing the US Tax Payers Billions a month in Bribes to Iraqi Militia's.
Several Religious and Melita Leaders are being payed in cold hard Cash not to attack them.
Well somebody ought to tell that to Obama. He plans on keeping military bases and troops in Iraq indefinantly.
Also, Bush has access to the largest cash of WMDs on earth. If he were lying, why wouldn't he just plant one of them in Iraq after the invasion and say "Here it is!" It'd be so easy to do if he was sure there weren't any WMDs there. The answer: He thought there were WMDs in Iraq. And being wrong, doesn't make you a liar; good news for all of us, don't you think? CRK
The reason why Obama must declare if Iraq was a Military success, has nothing to do with the morality of this war or any war. It concerns the administration of the mechanics of war.
As Com&Chf, Obama will be the admin for the Military. If he cannot judge whether the military has excerised the act of war successfully, then Obama is unqualified to be Cmndr&Chf. CRK
What a bunch of BULLSHIT LIBERAL PROPAGANDA. They have the nerve to call this "The Real News". This is 100% BULLSHIT. Why don't they just call it the "LIBERAL BULLSHIT NEWS NETWORK"?
Yes, the Bank Robbery was a success. Was, robbing a bank a successful endevor? That is the moral question. But the question as to whether the mechanics of the bank robbery were executed succesfully, releates to the question: Did the military succesfully carry out the mechanics of war. CRK
They got the oil contracts for the American, British and one French company, and that was their real objective. Saddam had control of his own oil before. Also lots of buds of GW and Dick got really rich on the Am. Taxpayer dole. Stealing can be good for republicons.
And Democrats too, because of course Obama has no intention of vacating US bases in Iraq. He has said he'll leave troops in Iraq indefinantly. His "redployment strategy" would keep a great number of troops in and around the region. Why do you suppose a democrat, who was nominated for opposing the war, would do that? Is he helping Bush and company out? Is he in on it?
Or, is Iraq more important than just oil? Could it be, that Iraq is a critical piece of Mid-East strategy? CRK
Well, 1 million dead Iraqis, that's a bit inflated. Personally, I feel that to inflate the number of dead, disrespects those who mdid die and the families they left behind. As if they weren't enough to be upset about, the number needed to be exagerated for more dramatic effect. Come on.
Whether the war was right or wrong morally is a debate which may outlive us. But the question of whether the military executed their orders successfully is answered in the affirmative. CRK
1 million is not inflated, its the official figure. and dont try and give me that emotional bullshit about 'offending the victims families if the figure is inflated'
thats like fox news saying if you dont believe the official government story of 9/11 your upsetting the victims families.
lets stick to objective reasoning.
but anyway; what do you believe the military orders to be?
to get rid of saddam.
or to get rid of saddam, create chaos and get the oil?
The debate of wether the war was moral or not, should be unaffected by whether the act of war was successfully executed.
I'm still unclear as to why you're so offended by the fact that the Military was successful in its mission in Iraq, when your argument is whether the Military should have gone to Iraq in the 1st place. CRK
had a look into the figure, its actually around 100,000. not 1 million. my bad, should research things im told.
anyway, i agree with you that the army carried out their orders. but what constituets success? if they killed everyone in iraq and i mean everyone, they could check all of your above critea as well but would you consider that a success?
what difines success and what failure?
for me, 100000 dead means things havent gone all that well.
I can't disagree with your version of objectives, though I still stand by mine.
Either way, the Military was the means by which these objectives were achieved. We should all just accpet that if military actionn is taken, by any admin, for any reason it will result in: Death, destruction, chaos and sorrow. That's reality.
Perhaps we can agree that a "Kinder, gentler" War Machine isn't what's needed; but instead: a greater reverance & understanding for what War means. CRK
i think we've been trying to say the same thing all along.
the military is a machine.
and it usually carries out its objectivs "successfuly".
so i would like to conclude by saying that the iraq war has been a success for the bush administration, the army generals and the oil companies involved.
but its a failure to the everyone else in the rest of the world.
just be careful, because the media are now trying to convince you its a been a success for you!
The media would like to forget about Iraq, (for the moment)because the situation has improved. When the insurgency was at its worst, the entire media (not just news) would talk of nothing else.
But if you mean that by the absence of balanced coverage of the surge's military success, the media are conceding that's what occurred; well... I'll keep my eyes peeled, thanks, CRK
It was a temporary situation anyway, but now...violence is breaking out again ALL OVER THE COUNTRY.
The last 2 days in Iraq have been absolutely horrible, with many deaths & many wounded.
THE SURGE IS A FAILURE.
AND BUSH IS NOT GOING TO GET THE OIL BILL THRU THE IRAQ PARLIMENT GIVING MAJOR OIL COMPANIES THE CONTROL OVER IRAQ'S OIL. THE WHOLE MISSION HAS BEEN A FAILURE -- COSTING MANY BILLIONS!
The US should never have invaded Iraq. It was all planned years before abd all done under false pretences. The military industrial complex continues. Its really sad when the vice president makes 70 million dollars from the war.
Isn't this professor from a typical liberal university located in bumbfuck Toronto? Of course he only provides one side to his views, its his job as a libertard!
All of you wake up and smart up....it was/is the BRIBE money Bush paid to the insurgents NOT the bullscrap joking surge that result in reduce attack against the nazi U.S occupier. The Bush administration handed over to the Iraqi insurgent leaders billion of dollars in exchange for the temporary truce and hold their support for al Qaeda fighters there. When and if the BRIBE money ran out, the nazi occupier's tanks and trucks will be blown up like popcorns again. The surge my ahsssssss..LOLL
"More officials are briefed on NSA spying reports than they are on this one."
I submit this video as top pick of the year.
Congressman Jim Cooper, teaching economics at Vanderbilt, discussing the true "state of our economy." It will give you a different perspective on the "our government." It's one fantastic presentation from a rare politician:
you don't see car bombings on the news in the US like in sand nigger countries deliciousmorton but thanks to the border situation you might in the future if our government doesn't start deporting.
When the US went into Iraq the first time we made agreements with Saddam and he brke them tens of times so yes the war in Iraq was planned before 2003. The US could have invaded Iraq years before and the UN could not have said a single thing. America gave Iraq a chance the first time and they did not follow the agreements. Simply kicking out the weapons inspectors was a violation of the agreement.
GW Bush told the inspectors to leave. Recall they wanted to reamain there.
The number of lies that were told to get control of Iraq's oil will hopefully one day be known. GW Bush is nothing but a high class thief and so are most of his have more core.
MEMENTOEXPOSE>>>>your quote: "Hasn't the American army been in Japan and Germany for more than 50 years, and look at those countries"
my comment:
are you fucking kidding me? it is true the americans have been in germany and japan for 50 years but in those country they don't shoot and bomb us! does anybody in usa believes that if we stay in iraq for 50 years they are not going to bomb an shoot our troops?????
and another thing,we did not invade and forced a regime change in germany or japan!
That's what I was saying, I was saying that he shouldn't call the ones shooting at people 'resistance', I'm saying that they SHOULDN'T fight. What is your objection about what I said I don't get it ...?
THERE IS NO ''RESISTANCE'' IN IRAQ. There are only outlaws/terrorists and militias, who are resisting the democratically elected government and it's will! I can't believe that this guy is calling them resistance, I bet that if he lived in Iraq he would have a different opinion, and what he said about 65% of the violence being done by the Americans is completely false
There IS a resistance in Iraq. That is why there were elections in '05 when the US wanted to install Chalabi. And the 1 million dead Iraqis are US responsibility. Over 300,000 were DIRECTLY killed by the US & its terrorist mercenaries like Blackwater. The other 2/3rds were killed by an insurgency US policy produced. And.. uh.. the US is at the point of defeat. SOFA & the oil law will be defeated. The Sadr movement is probably going to win next election and kick out the imperialists.
congrats on this great great resistance, let's see how many Iraqis and how many Americans will be dead by the time you're done 'resisting.' And about not electing Chalabi, I am all for that, there is nothing wrong with peaceful resistance, but carrying guns and shooting at fellow Iraqis or planting bombs and suicidal attacks against fellow Iraqis is called terrorism not resistance.
Peaceful negotiations is resistance, the only time military resistance is valid is during the time of the initial invasion, after the US army succeeded in invading Iraqi then that's it, the armed resistance lost the war when the invasion happened, and after that they decided to kill a Million Iraqi to punish... the Americans?! LOL.
Hate to break it to you, and I doubt it'll set in, but coalition forces are DIRECTLY responsible for 1/3rd of the million Iraqis killed. By resistance I'm not referring to the Baathists or Al-Qaeda or the armed coalition brought together by the Sadr movement. But there is a resistance that includes the labor unions, movements symbolized by al-Sistani, and yes, armed elements within the Mahdi Army. And the US had a considerable role in creating the civil war in Iraq.
The "sectarian violence" was nothing but FALSE FLAG attacks because of the timing(politically timed) and way the attacks were made(car bombs with high grade explosives, like the time when they caught those 2 Brits in Basra with the car bomb).
Even religious leaders of the mosques said how the ones responsible for such attacks were neither Sunni nor Shia, and that they were an attempt to weaken Iraqi unity.
Collateral damage is a form of plausible deniability by the United States so they cant be accused for War Crimes.
When you drop a 2 ton bomb on a house near a hospital, as they did in Sadr City, only an idiot wouldnt think it would not take out some of the hospital...which is what it did killing patients and hospital workers.
Mass killing can never be considered a success, the cost in lives is too much, but what if they had spent the Billions on the people and infrastructure it might have been successful, We never march in with the gift of life its always the gift of death on ALL sides.
What i find outragious is the collatoral Damage way too much. Theres 5 million Displaced and murdered over a half million.
Right now when a national takes it upon himself and Act American like in the movie Red Dawn they lable them Taliban Or Big Al which for the most part is still CIA and Mossat riging the need for further escalations. The lies have been exposed. Time to bring home the boys and realy Break off Our Massive aid to Israel and start putting people to work who actualy live here.
Formally they are 'resistance', since the foreign military presence in Iraq is illegal. Denying this fact is denying international treaties and the transnational ties we once build to prevent genocide.
Currently many governments and mass media want you to belief that every Muslim that kills does so in name of their belief and is connected to Al Quaeda. The world is much more complex than condensing it in such a monolithical idee fixes.
I am Muslim and Iraqi and I don't call them resistance, first of all these outlaws have NOTHING to do with the Americans in Iraq, they don't kill Americans, they kill Iraqis!!! Second, the Americans are going to leave Iraq when the elected Iraqi government asks them to, we don't have to turn Iraq into a jungle and shoot soldiers in the middle of the streets to do it, there is no resistance in Iraq anyway, there is no one fighting the Americans, there are outlaws/militias who are killing IRAQIS
Hate to shatter your innocence but the US - if they leave Iraq - will only leave because of the defeat of SOFA and the US oil law. McCain has stated he doesn't care what the Iraqi government says. Obama plans to only retreat half of the troops and leave Blackwater & other terrorist groups. The insurgency is a mixed bunch. There are many terrorists in it fighting for power.
Really, and what is the American army going to do in Iraq?? Hasn't the American army been in Japan and Germany for more than 50 years, and look at those countries, I would rather the Americans stay in Iraq forever than have those foreign extremists running Iraq(And most Iraqis would agree.)The US army is helping Iraq right now, irregardless of what you think about the initial invasion, right now they are helping and they are not the enemy.& anyway, Iraq/the US has defeated the outlaws,it's over
Your ignorance is profound. The US had to rebuild Germany and Japan in order to create a market for its overproduction in order to avoid a return to the Great Depression. Remember, the US was supportive of European fascism until they got out of lone. In Iraq, the US is trying to prevent democracy in order to control its oil and install permanent military bases. Most Iraqis are not traitors like you & know US is responsible for Abu Ghraib, Fallujah & supporting Saddam during his worse crimes
I don't see how being an Iraqi or Muslim has any weight in the matter. Besides the information opposing your "rosy" view is overwhelming.
And you're missing my point; I stated that US illegally invaded Iraq. And that western governments are sustaining the 'terrorist' meme, to justify their action and presence in the region.
Sure they've rid Iraq from their dictator, but in return they've gotten turmoil and the standard western neo-imperialistic puppet play under the banner of democracy.
My being Muslim and Iraqi has a lot to do with it because you said "Currently many governments and mass media want you to belief that every Muslim that kills does so in name of their belief and is connected to Al Quaeda." ANYWAY, about the invasion, we can't change that it's already happened, and there is no resistance in Iraq today
even if I wanted to support a movement like that (and I don't) then it has to exist first! But there is no 'resistance' group in Iraq today, the Iraqi guy in this video is an idiot and he has no idea what he's talking about, what kind of 'resistance' kills 1 MILLION civilians, and just over 4000 troopers?! Does this sound like a resistance group or a terrorist group? The US army will leave after negotiations with the Iraqi government, not by the actions of those crazy outlaws
if it wasn't for this ''Resistance'' then the US army would not even be in Iraq today! They would either have left completely or they would be in bases outside the city (As in many countries in the region and in Europe.) Why should Iraq 'resist' the US army while all those other countries, including fellow ''Muslim countries'' have American bases in their own countries? Why should Saudi or other foreign Muslim militants go to Iraq to fight when there are Americans in their own countries?!
If those Muslims want to fight the Americans then they should do it in their own countries. Those few people who are actually fighting the Americans (these people make up less than 0.000001% of the fraction of outlaws in Iraq) are all foreigners not Iraqis, because all Iraqis (Sunnis/Shiites and Kurds) are now allied WITH the US, the ones fighting want Baghdad to be the seat of the Caliphate again that's why they're fighting! They want to bring back Harun al Rashid from the grave LOL
Uh.. dude. You obviously live in your own little fantasy world. You are obviously ignorant of US polls which indicate the overwhelming majority of the Iraqi people want the US out and over half say attacking US troops is justified. And the insurgency is OVERWHELMINGLY Iraqi. The major non-US terrorists are the neo-Baathists who are newly allied with the US. You are a traitor to your people and an ally of Saddam's old friends in Washington.
I'm a traitor because I don't support your Islamist friends who have killed over a Million people in Iraq? brilliant, you people are amusing, but can you tell me which 'resistance' I am supposed to support...? because I don't see any soldiers being killed, just Iraqi civilians. And about Saddam, what the hell brought Saddam into this? when the fuck did I mention Saddam or 'his friends in Washington'? crazy neo-terrorist. how many civilians did your 'resistance' friends kill in Iraq today?
You Muslims crack me up, a little over 4000 dead from their side, and over a MILLION- 1 000 000- killed from your side (mostly by your brave 'resistance') and you call this resistance? Congrats on that great resistance buddy, go resist, go ahead keep killing each other, the civilized world is laughing at you. And at the end of the day there will be thousands of dead Iraqis and not one soldier killed, wow what a great resistance, anyone who doesn't support it must be crazy LOL
"You Muslims"? I thought you were a Muslim. I guess you're just an American white right-wing extremist pretending to be an Iraqi? And from the terminology you use you are extraordinarily uninformed about Iraq. I'm calling you out as a fraud.
Yeah because I have nothing better to do than to pretend to be Iraqi when I'm not yeah? Dude GET OVER IT, I'm not a terrorist supporter, and I'm a Muslim but not a religious one (and definitely not an extremist) if you don't like it then you can bang your head against the nearest wall, I'm more Iraqi than you will ever be and I will never support this murderous 'resistance' of your's even if you were about to behead me, yalla go resist, go kill Iraqis
And you are aware that the line refers only to short blades like knives or daggers, and that "swords" is merely one particular translation. Swords were extremely uncommon and impractical during the times of Jesus and the suggestion that he was calling for his followers to arm themselves with boardswords that would not be seen for more than a thousand years is patently absurd.
While I experienced some difficulty following this interview with the regular interruptions, al-Nasseri is correct about one major point: the sectarian violence was POLITICAL and not religious. Yes, ethnic and religious lines somewhat helped define the parameters of the factions involved in the violence, but it was NEVER A WAR BETWEEN those who believed Ali ibn Abi Talib was the rightful successor of Muhammad and those who followed the path of the Caliph. This image of crazy Sunni and Shia...
was pushed in Western propaganda (news) because it aided in masking responsibility for the carnage which followed the invasion of Iraq. It was suggested repeatedly by US and UK leaders and intellectuals in the media that the default condition of Islam is a perpetual violence between two uncooperative fundamentalist communities bent on erasing each other. The implication (sometimes explicit) is that Hussein "kept them apart" and that it was "only natural". And, of course, "mistakes were made".
By Iraq you mean the Awakening Councils? So you're saying terrorists defeated other terrorists. True, but now that the neo-Baathist guerrillas think the US is on their side this will make national reconciliation more difficult. The counter-insurgency plan has increased tribalism and regional powers, which may make things much worse in the long run.
Come on you guys. You are making up stuff to talk about. 911 was a staged event, the war was a staged event the progress of "war" was a staged event. The "surge" was little more than a talking point. You have all these people in suits talking about made up stuff. They have decided to wind "the event" down some and they have to have talking points of presumptive theories of action. It was all about pirating the oil and pretending it was about something else. It is all horseshit. No offense.
Since all this is staged beginning with 911 being the first act, the show must go on this means appropriating all the fuel in the ground in an ongoing staged show of BS. What is next? you ask. There is the mining, refining, and marketing of all the oil in the ground. Maximizing profits is next. Block the tanker access, so the oil has to be refined and pipelined across Dubai. That's the ticket. You heard it here first. Keep stymying other more efficient energy technologies.
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May be politician and army eyes can see the success...but how can it be? Muslims always aganist America, even who live in the USA. Is US army or the US politicians can change Muslim's heart? Some Muslims oiling US politicians for their personal gain. Be wise America! Ask Wisdom to take next step. GB
agapelove4you 3 years ago
The Chinese own DC. This war is just to keep our minds off China taking over our jobs, banks, food and oil plus it makes Halliburtons and Exxons rich. A small group of crazed Arabs with box cutters suckered this whole country into spending $4 trill on sand castles while the Chinese are quietly taking over. No wonder Japan hates them.
fgrod 3 years ago
Yes lets blame those foriegners and not the republican administration, who actually took out that debt in order to line their own pockets. The american people have been sold up the river to the chinese by bush's tax cuts and wars
smile221 3 years ago
No wonder that Japan hates the f...ing Chinese (NOT THE ARABS). I got nothing against the crazed Arabs of 9/11 - they're just another result of our gov't mideast policies. The WMD is slave labor in China not Iraq.
fgrod 3 years ago
-----the Chinese own 28% of our foreign debt in the US...they are financing our wars in Iraq and Aphghanistan, I call that a hate crime against ourselves...who is the REAL enemy????????????
unit45x 3 years ago
U mean MacCain doesn't have to answer to anything?
Reason=HIS WHITE?
AnushkAAA 3 years ago
And what is so difficult to believe that I have pored over the CT for seven years? I HAVE. Not only have I watched all of the major 9/11-related CT films, including a substantial amount of Jones' output, plus most films on the subject of Waco and other American injustices, plus dozens of full-length features I have downloaded, 100s of videos that I have watched on YT, hundreds of sites and debates and videos and television programs...I have become VERY familiar with the story and CT in general.
ganubis 3 years ago
ANY challenge to your particular claims as to the crimes of the government is seen as synonymous with support for that government. I believe that the Bush government callously exploited the 9/11 attacks for the benefit of an extremist (though in line with decades of appalling foreign policy) brand of aggressive liberalism (i.e. the democracy dispensed from the barrel of a gun brand favoured by the neocons, mostly JFK-styled Democrats and former Trotskyites).
ganubis 3 years ago
this asshole is a professor?
he defend al qaida
he is against the government
and the awakening council
as if al qaida not shot in the head
most of us muslims are ignorant and stupid
muqteda 3 years ago
Troops cant came back home yet
People still getting killed, bombings!!!!
Surge working?
Hummmmmmmmmmm
AnushkAAA 3 years ago
Wow. your still in denial? God when will you democrats admit it.
dadecountyhustler305 3 years ago
When will MacCain admit then the WAR WAS WRONG?
AnushkAAA 3 years ago
I don't know, and I don't care about McCain....
dadecountyhustler305 3 years ago
Honestly John McCain will never admit it. If he is elected it simply is an extension of the Bush administration.
UNKNOWNPOW 3 years ago
Which will be the best thing for our country at this time.
kalima275Z 3 years ago
It is interesting to note that you completely ignored the fact that I attacked a chauvinist supporter of the war on terror. Was this too much nuance for you, not quite black and white enough? Do you simply block out that which does not fit your dogma? Is this not simplistic or cartoonish enough? Reality is more complex than YouTube videos consisting of montages of Nazis goosestepping spliced with footage of Bush and the neocons put to industrial music.
ganubis 3 years ago
The odd thing is, I do believe that the Bush Administration is fully capable of killing two-thousand + American civilians, I simply have not seen any evidence that they have. They certainly had no compunction of the killing of perhaps more than a HUNDRED THOUSAND TIMES THAT in Iraq. Every fiber of my being is opposed to the bogus "war on terror" and, generally speaking, opposed to neocolonialist/imperialist neoliberal policy abroad. Just because I do not believe the 9/11 CT does not mean..
ganubis 3 years ago
I support, in any way, the regime that the CTers claim carried it out.
Imagine that someone came to me and said, "Douglas Feith put the hit in on Abraham Lincoln." and I looked at the evidence and came to my own conclusion that this was implausible and likely impossible, only to be reprimanded as someone who supports the devil and belligerent foreign policy, etc. - this is similar to what you have done.
It requires no evidence or logic, it is nothing but a cowardly smear.
ganubis 3 years ago
in pursuing. I MUST assume this is because you cannot support your claims. You FINALLY make a vague and FAMILIAR claim that WTC7 was detonated by CD and I offer a more precise counterpoint and you simply deride me as working for the great beast. When I complain about your CONSTANT accusations you further insult me with a claim that I am the one who is an "angry twisted something". Hey, I am willing to put my words on the line and am prepared to defend them. Unlike you, cowering away and bleating
ganubis 3 years ago
I hate to get rude, but these accusations from these CT sheep are tiresome. And CTers are fundamentally passive, intellectually speaking. You simply cannot believe for a second that someone with similar political ideas might disagree with mainstream CT, so you insist that I am what...CIA...someone working "misinformation or dysinformation professional"? You cannot imagine what this charge sounds like to an anarchist like me. It would be hilarious if it were not so tragic.
ganubis 3 years ago
Ignoring our shared antipathies for the Bush regime, think about whether or not this is even remotely plausible. Why would he admit that on television if it were true? "I remember getting a call from the, er, fire department commander, telling me that they were not sure they were gonna be able to contain the fire, and I said, "We've had such terrible loss of life, maybe the smartest thing to do is pull it." And THEY MADE that decision to pull and we watched the building collapse."
ganubis 3 years ago
We are to believe that these men committed a mass murder of their fellow citizens in one of the most well organized conspiracies ever to grace the Earth, yet were ignorant of the possible consequences of admitting in a television documentary on government owned PBS that they ordered the controlled demolition of WTC7 right next to the fresh rubble of WTC 1 & 2 that was being scavenged in a panic for possible survivors.
ganubis 3 years ago
Sorry ganubis, i hate to say it, but my impression is that you are trying to bullshit us all over here, or you were just hatched yesterday. Maybe you have plans of becoming the devil's right hand or something such. i know people can be dull and obstinate, or even sinister, but you are a prize in this way. These guys on the program they are just scared of offending the Cesar, or the rich controllers in modern civilization.
hypnofan35 3 years ago
If TRN wants credibility it should air more viewpoints on important issues like this one. Having the "Oliver Stone" of PoliSci makes the coverage appear to be very biased:
1. There was never any sectarian conflict.
2. Al Qaeda in Iraq is a fabrication.
3. There is really no change in the level of violence.
4. There is a world-wide media conspiracy to cover up the fact that Iraqis are being shot in the back of the head by the US/Iraqi Govt.
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Claims this radical require just a little proof.
oredigger77 3 years ago
1. He pointed out that the sectarian violence was POLITICAL violence, not over religious differences.
2. The military freely admits that AQI is a minuscule force. Their strength and their ties to the formal al Qaeda (the 9/11 ones) has always been exaggerated for political ends.
3. I agree that this was unclear or incorrect.
4. Many of the murders were being carried out by the militias controlled by the Iraqi security forces. He never spoke of a conspiracy.
ganubis 3 years ago
If you listen to the words that are being spoken in this video versus what we hear form the major news networks, it sounds like alot of Media Spin is happening in regards to conditions in Iraq....this is a very interesting piece and more pieces like this should be done...as you can tell the interviewer was like most journalist and wanted the interviewee to say what the public wanted to hear...he kept pushing him to say the surge worked and he gave his account repeatedly....gotta love it
vking84 3 years ago
(in response to vking84) I don't know, I have a feeling the journalist (Paul Jay) performing the interview was merely bouncing common counterarguments off al Nasseri in order to propel the interview. He was offering them up for Nasseri to knock down. I do not believe that Jay was trying to shoot down Nasseri,he was only leading him through the claims we see in the establishment/corporate media, having Nasseri respond to and critique those claims.
ganubis 3 years ago
u stupid slave of eastern european jews
UK France Dutch USA all own collonies in Asia, Afrika and AMericas still by force
and all u white shits in Asia , Afrika, South Amerika are there by choice and using force and genocide to be there
While the ASians and Blacks come to EuroTrash because u own all their resources, killed their family and put dictators in their country
and USA , CANADA , Australia is all Asian and Muslim land
Iran borders Russia and u can walk from Russia to Alaska
U jew
TalibansRus 3 years ago
Just say it worked, so we can get the hell out!
MMS747 3 years ago
Who is the US supporting in Saudi Arabia? Pakistan? Algeria? What are the doing in Somalia via Ethiopia? What are they doing in the central asian stans? What of the millions who perished by US hand/or by proxy in South East Asia in the decades following WWII? What of the dozens of independent nationalist governments overthrown in the poorest regions, replaced with strong armed right wing dictatorships and comprador class?
ganubis 3 years ago
Mostly I synthesize and write my own.
Gwynne Dyer, Noam Chomsky, Howard Zinn, Patrick Cockurn (I have a paid subscription to Counterpunch), John Pilger (whom I met last year).Arhundati Roy, David Barsamian, Amy Goodman, Naomi Klein, Michael Parenti.
I see some PNAC watch stuff in your favourites, you might be interested to know that the group is a fav. topic of mine. I even added the Unipolar Table to the Wikipedia article on the subject.
ganubis 3 years ago
the claims put forth by the CT/truther community. While it may be theoretically possible, I have seen no proof provided by anyone, and what evidence offered is easily unmasked as clear fabrication and distortion by the CT community. You cannot fight lies with lies. I had another CTer simply BLOCK me from another video because he could not form a rebuttal of what I had asked him. Keep in mind that the CT community is the first to call out with claims that free speech is being squelched. The irony
ganubis 3 years ago
is grotesque. CTers should neither be blocking or CENSORING opposition views nor should CTers be accusing everyone who does not agree with their claims as UNBELIEVERS! and BRAINWASHED! This method is far too similar to those practiced by ORGANIZED RELIGION. Again, the IRONY.
I do not take my cues from TOP DOWN authority, though I admit I have not launched my own independent study into the destruction of the WTC. I do read dissident literature and foreign policy from a plethora of sources.
ganubis 3 years ago
Also: keep in mind that charging me with defending the American government is not an argument, nor would it be accurate. I will take such accusations as you conceding. Insults and accusations are acts of desperation and I will follow them with ridicule. My opinion is that the wars launched on BOTH Afghanistan and Iraq were massive crimes and that those involved, from the principles in the White House to the civilians in the PNAC & Committee on the Present Danger are vicious war criminals.
ganubis 3 years ago
War crimes you say. Saddam gased his own people is not a war crime? Saddam invading Kuwait is not a war crime? Saddam firing SCUD's into Israel is not a war crime? Al-Qaeda bombing U.S. embassies is not a crime? Al-Qaeda high jacked airliners and use them as guided missiles is not a crime? If these are not crimes in your opinion. Then what is? Woe to those who call evil, good and good, evil. This is what you are doing. Calling evil, good and good, evil.
saved03 3 years ago
No, I did not call what those people did "good". Re-read what I wrote and you will see that at no point did I applaud or approve of any of their crimes. The US was supporting Hussein with billions of US tax dollars and arming it through proxy allies (ex. Italy) when he gassed his own people. The Reagan administration blocked US condemnation of the act and blamed the act on Iran. That lie stood until the US required anti-Saddam propaganda in 1990.
ganubis 3 years ago
What you are doing is arguing a STRAW MAN.
What was the US supporting in East Timor and Indonesia and Turkey? What had the US formally supported in Afghanistan which left it a destroyed wasteland begging for strongmen like the Taliban to take over? How many terrorists and war criminals from the dirty war in South America does the US currently shelter? What of the regular crimes of Israel which go unpunished because its main ally is a permanent (and most imporant) member of the Security Council?
ganubis 3 years ago
I will ask further questions as this debate continues. Perhaps you should explain the HOW first.
How did the US government orchestrate 9/11?
Hell, begin with an explanation of just how they managed to prep the building for implosion. (Marvin Bush being on the board for Securacom is not an explanation - besides, that company ended its contact with WTC three years earlier - just one of innumerable distortions by truther crowd).
So yes, how did they manage to prep three buildings for CD?
ganubis 3 years ago
And what exactly did I post (other than my comment about "truther swill") that lead you to say I sounded brainwashed? I attacked the official line that there was religious Sunni v Shia sectarian war in Iraq and the popular "no blood for oil" line, explaining that the invasion was not carried out for Exxon's enrichment, but for strategic control of the world's second largest oil reserves. Oil is but one factor in Iraq from which all others extend ...but they are not there to "steal" the oil.
ganubis 3 years ago
You do not seem to look beyond what you believe or apparently what pays your bills. I grew up around people who were brainwashed and agressive. Good religious and patriotic people who would all agree or be "crazy" out of it. Contrary to God. You can tell they are brainwashed because they believe that you are wrong if you do not say the right words. In fact they will try to mess you up if you do not say their words. They will call you a name with a derogatory term like "truther swill". As if!
hypnofan35 3 years ago
My entire life is spent looking beyond the commonplace. Could you specify what you are speaking of, or are you going to continue to tap dance in vague terms? I am neither religious nor patriotic nor aggressive. I am passive (and a pacifist) and have personally incurred much suffering from the established order, business and authority figures. You seem to have jumped to the conclusion that I am somehow an establishment stooge without knowing the first thing about me. I admit I jumped to my own..
ganubis 3 years ago
My entire life is spent looking beyond the commonplace. Could you specify what you are speaking of, or are you going to continue to tap dance in vague terms? I am neither religious nor patriotic nor aggressive. I am passive (and a pacifist) and have personally incurred much suffering from the established order, business and authority figures. You seem to have jumped to the conclusion that I am somehow an establishment stooge without knowing the first thing about me. I admit I jumped to my own
ganubis 3 years ago
conclusion, and if you are not a truther I will gladly withdraw that remark. In any case I shall withdraw it and hear you out, as CT greatly interests me. I jumped to the conclusion that you were a truther because of your claim that 9/11 was "staged". The fact is you cannot visit a single video on youtube related to politics without being assaulted by the disciples of Alex Jones and other "believers" of popular CT hokum.
ganubis 3 years ago
I find their brand of fanaticism remarkably similar to that of "good religious folk" - anyone who disagrees is doomed to hell. I assumed that this was what you meant by "You get to belong and wear a suit as part of your living." I believed this was your way (along with "brainwashed") as branding me a lost soul marked for ideological limbo.
ganubis 3 years ago
Do you make your living pushing these views? If you are an adverse person and are on a side that takes action against another side, it means that everything you say will support your side. If the hierarchy is multi-level, it means that it is convoluted and supported by lies or propaganda. You won't see it because all your arguments will be something like there are people over there who need to be neutralized. Hitler and Stalin had people on their sides too. Caiephus had people on his side.
hypnofan35 3 years ago
Okay, it is time to speak clearly - you have been very cautious about what you have said and this has lead to reduced clarity. I could interpret what you are saying a good dozen or so ways without knowing what you are speaking of. You have not dared commit yourself to anything specific, only general word production and have still not explained what you meant by "911 was a staged event".
Only a mad man would take "sides" - I am only representing my own world view, as much as that is possible.
ganubis 3 years ago
If you look carefully at what happened that day you will see 3 buildings in the World trade center come down by demolition, or should i say highly orchestrated demolition complete with blasting concrete to cover the progression in the twin towers. This is a case where "experts" see what they are told to see and are paid to see, or are theaten if they did not see what they are told to see. It is like Sgt. Shultz from Hogan's Heroes. "I know nothing","I see nothing" "Say nothing" "hear nothing"
hypnofan35 3 years ago
I have looked carefully at mountains of claims like this and have found nothing resembling evidence of this. Not only is there no evidence of this (excepting for massive distortions by those who desire to believe this fantastic story), but it is also entirely illogical and implausible. Be forewarned, I have am very familiar with these claims.
First question: What proof do you have?
2nd: How was this carried out?
3rd: How do the conspirators manage to control the "experts" and prevented...
ganubis 3 years ago
The innumerable people related to the conspiracy from ever speaking out?
4th Why - when the US could have launched other false flag operations given that the one you claim was carried out was, more or less technically impossible, and at the very least, extremely risky - (keep in mind that the discovery of a plot to murder thousands of US civilians by the leadership would have been answered with death penalties for all involved in the clearest example of treason in US history)
ganubis 3 years ago
It seems like you are looking for an "authoritative coming from on high" variation of the truth. That is not the nature of truth. Truth starts at the bottom and not the top of a hierarchy. In fact the nature of hierarchy has very little to do with truth other than it is likely to try to supersede the truth. Our single most recognizable icon of truth has been adopted by hierarchies, but was never actually a member of a hierarchy, but was in fact killed by various hierarchies in collusion.
hypnofan35 3 years ago
No, I am STILL looking for a CLEAR clarification/explanation of a claim you made two days ago and seven full responses earlier. Instead I am given a song and dance about the nature of hierarchical systems, something with which I am intimately aware.
YOU have made claims here which YOU refuse to support. In place of explanations I receive ACCUSATIONS such as "It seems like you are looking for an "authoritative coming from on high" variation of the truth." - I am asking for YOUR explanation.
ganubis 3 years ago
I am attempting to remain as polite as possible despite your craven little default accusations of "COLLABORATOR!" You cannot label all those who question your claims as collaborators working for the evil cabal which you oppose. I spend every moment of my life living and breathing activism opposed to militarism, nationalism, corporativism, state capitalism, fascism, etc. and then I face people like you who, while cornered with nothing to back up their CT claims, am accused of being...
ganubis 3 years ago
a brainswashed lackey in a suit who looks upward for the hand of authority to hand me the truth.
I could respond to this with a very legitimate and resounding "FUCK YOU", but I won't. You seem bright and I want to hear YOUR explanation for the controlled demolition of the three WTC buildings (for starters). I have thought about it AT LENGTH (almost seven years) and have gorged myself on every conceivable form of CT and have come to the conclusion that there is no evidence which supports...
ganubis 3 years ago
i am not sure you are who you say your are. i think you need to look within yourself grasshopper. You will find no answers bantering further with me.
hypnofan35 3 years ago
You are aware that our responses take some time to fall into line with those people we were responding to. Our responses to each other are first displayed on the thread like common posts in response to the video. In time they will be tapered in and posted underneath the previous posts we wrote them in response to. I know you wrote this in response to me because I receive an email when someone responds to my posts. Though I cannot tell which post of mine you wrote this (grasshop) in response to.
ganubis 3 years ago
My posts which appear after saved03 pulls his straw man argument are all in response to him, not to you hypnofan35. My standing question for you was an explanation of your claim that 9/11 was orchestrated.
ganubis 3 years ago
If you study the matter very carefully the truth will come together for you. If you are fighting to protect a lie you will likely shut out the truth and never assemble the parts. "You shall be eternally and progressively more conceptually fragmented until you get Alzheimers or a brain tumor." Somebody said that. That is the way reality works. The only problem is most status holding folks tend to defend their lies, even to the extent of murder, but more often with foolish denials.
hypnofan35 3 years ago
hypno: I never said that I was of any particular stature. I am a lowly university student/grocery clerk. Hardly someone living in an ivory tower.
I have poured over 9/11 for years and have never seen anything that that suggests that 9/11 was an inside job. I have watched dozens of Alex Jones films and read the claims of truthers everywhere and none of it holds any water or "makes sense". I was hoping that you might have some information that might change that, but thus far you have refused.
ganubis 3 years ago
I was extremely depressed circa 2003/2004 and at that time I found CT very appealing. The idea of real monsters making my world a sour place spoke to my urge to surrender myself to hopelessness. CT is encouraged by those at the peak of the hierarchical system because it ENGENDERS APATHY. Your first post here screamed apathy: "It is all horseshit." "making up stuff" "all these people in suits talking about made up stuff" - this is EXACTLY why CT is popular, it rewards PASSIVITY.
ganubis 3 years ago
The CT expressed by the CT community renders resistance meaningless. IF the government forces are so powerful that they can control this information (at the same time that people like Alex Jones can openly REVEAL the apocalyptic nature of the evil freemason cabal which drives the earth) as you describe, then we have already lost.
We might as well sit around and write fantastical ideas which wind in tight circles and reject anything else as "made up stuff by guys in suits".
ganubis 3 years ago
"I have poured over 9/11 for years and have never seen anything that that suggests that 9/11 was an inside job. I have watched dozens of Alex Jones films and read the claims of truthers everywhere and none of it holds any water or "makes sense"."
You are a joke...
truthspeaker2000 3 years ago
No, I am not a "joke", but I have come to expect juvenile responses like yours from the shallow FOLLOWER types which frequent the truther channels.
When you have something to say, please say it, otherwise I will reject you as merely another unthinking peon of gross manipulators like Jones and Dylan Avery.
The problem with your type is that you assume that anyone who has not accepted your particular gospel has been turned against what you believe to TRUTH by Satan.
The truth is we share foes
ganubis 3 years ago
"No, I am not a "joke""
you are joke, and i give a shit if you
reject me...
truthspeaker2000 3 years ago
Yes, brave little man, you come here and spout off with You are a joke and then scurry away without explaining what you mean. Please do explain, please set me straight if you do believe that I am in need of setting straight. Or are you another coward with a collection of diverting YouTube links and no mind of your own? If you have a perspective and wish to share it, please do, if you only want to pass in the night with childish playground ridicule, you can continue to spank your brains out
ganubis 3 years ago
to the sad little collection of "Sexy Horny Teen Amateur Seducing Webcam Pussy" videos you have mixed in with your reposting of other people's crackpot conspiracy vids (complete with dramatic Hollywood movie teaser trailer music - the other soundtrack to CT vids other than industrial). I sincerely doubt that you have the cranial capacity to think outside what others predigest and preconfigure for you in all these ridiculously simplistic montage videos.
ganubis 3 years ago
Okay, forget the insults for a moment and answer a question: if you claim to possess a truth you believe I am too deluded to comprehend, why the lack of concern for me or my edification? If you see me as a lost soul, why only insult me ("You are a joke") and leave? This is the reason I believe you are nothing but another nihilistic fraud posturing as someone "in the know". You assume this by driving to the most extreme points on the political compass.
ganubis 3 years ago
All the bases are covered if you claim an occult-obsessed NWO cabal is planning a Earth-wide genocide; no one can call you a dupe if you have already leaped to the most extreme conclusion.
Except if I came into the room, saw your videos on YouTube and told you that YOU were a joke for believing that there is a NWO comprised of petty human beings running the world. AHA!
truthspeaker is a joke. Why? Because he is unaware that the Bilderberg Group are extraterrestrials! What an ignoramus!
ganubis 3 years ago
You might find this unfair, but it is quite clear that you, hypno and substantial ring of the CT community are expressing this consistent circular logic. It is the most basic of self-defense mechanisms. Go to a Christian message board and argue against the existence of a creator and you will face precisely the same mechanisms of denial.
Why don't I believe in god? Because of course I have been corrupted by Satan - I am a lost cause, and the discussion ends now. SAME EXACT RESPONSE AS YOU.
ganubis 3 years ago
What you and the religious types share is a brand of FANTACISM. Nothing can penetrate the little world that you have created, nothing could EVER convince you "Oh wait, perhaps that DOESN'T make any sense." or "Yeah, that does contradict the other core tenant of my beliefs" or "Yeah, shit, maybe history IS more complicated than six minute videoson YouTube edited together in a style reminiscent of music videos, can express."
ganubis 3 years ago
i won't try to make you believe anything that you do not wish to believe. For me it is not a matter of isolated statement. It is quite broad ranging, so it is more than a feeling. It is a little like seeing all the signs and putting it together. How about 3 buildings and maybe two planes or no planes? Even that fellow who owned the building and was set to collect serious money was trying to say he was not in on it when he said to pull the Bldg 7 and it came down on his order. It was recorded.
hypnofan35 3 years ago
You mention two popular distortions by the truther crowd. First of all, Silverstein has so far LOST money on the destruction and reconstruction of WTC. Look that up. Secondly, the term "pull" is NOT a term used by fire departments to describe CD. The nearest phrase is relates to pulling DOWN a building or debris WITH CABLES. And who was Silverstein speaking with? The FDNY Chief of Operations Daniel Nigro. The FDNY does not detonate 52 storey buildings in the middle of a crisis where hundreds
ganubis 3 years ago
of their comrades are buried. There exists mountain loads of information pertaining to the pulling of fire fighters near WTC7, and to focus on this one select quote from a PBS documentary as proof that the FDNY conspired to destroy a third building only so Silverstein could collect his insurance money, is so laughable I do know what to say. Do you not think the insurance company might take issue with his GOING ON TELEVISION AND ADMITTING TO CONSPIRING TO BLOW UP HIS OWN REAL ESTATE?
ganubis 3 years ago
You are so full of it! You misrepresent yourself, you make all these convoluted arguments. There are alot of people trying to achieve the limelight on this matter. You sound more like a high priced legal representative. And where does that name ganubis come from? There is alot of misinformation flying around and you are apparently a misinformation or dysinformation professional. I don't think i have any more answers to your BS tactics. Go serve the devil. i hear it pays well.
hypnofan35 3 years ago
Now my arguments are "convoluted" - PLEASE CHALLENGE THEM IF YOU CAN. You have said close to NOTHING and have only put forth paranoid theories about my identity. My name is Matthew and I am 30 years old and was born in a suburb of Montreal Quebec on May 29, 1978. I work at a health food store and I am a history major at Concordia University. Do you wish to have my phone number and address so that you can verify that I do not work for the freaking cabal that blew up the WTC?
ganubis 3 years ago
What? Now I "serve the devil"? Do you even hear how indoctrinated with this religious fervor you are? The name "ganubis" is a silly phrase which comes from the accidental blending of my band's name (ganesha) and the name Anubis (which was the name of our second album of surreal stoner jams). My other screen name is Horseytown (the name of another album of ours). Check Wikipedia and you will see that I have contributed to the article on the PNAC. I AM OPPOSED TO THEM AND THE WAR, fuckface.
ganubis 3 years ago
The devil ain't religious. The devil is a myth of religion, but interestingly is not a myth, it speaks from your face. And i think you are an angry twisted something. I do not believe anything you say no matter how you lay it out.
hypnofan35 3 years ago
I did not mean literally, I meant that you are borrowing from religious sources yet ARE SIMULTANEOUSLY BORROWING THE METHODS OF CONTROL FAVOURED BY RELIGION. The method you are utilizing is defamation by insistence of corruption. This is intellectual excommunication - I disagree with you so I MUST work for the devil. It is ridiculous and juvenile and lamentable and all that and it achieves nothing except that you clearly wish for me to be silenced. You started a debate that you have no interest
ganubis 3 years ago
Wait, do you have it in my head that I support the war? I am opposed to all war and have spent years dedicated to arguing against them - ALL OF THEM. I have very few ideological allies.
ganubis 3 years ago
You get what you pay for, willing to dish out the cash for the extra troops, you get the stability. Its a success for the battle, not so much for the war. but then again I'm no fan of you yanks so you losing the war is me winning the war. Keep the surge going folks, support the troops! haha
dagnemrth 3 years ago
The situation over there is so complicated !!!
The expert report is not bright !!!
The interesting video !!!
Thanks for share ubuibiok !!!
Tadek59 3 years ago
The ex Al Qeada, Mahdi Army, and Sunni extremist, are now called "Concerned Local Citizens" or CLC. This group of 80,000 men, "the CLC", are now on the U.S. Army payroll to a tune of 24 million dollars a month. They should call it the splurge.
wehadrons 3 years ago
McCain and Bush state that the SURGE used to enforce and construct hundreds of small areas of confinement is a Success and use the Death Rate as proof that there policy is working.
The US Army Generals fail to report and attempt to hide the True Facts of the Declined Death rate that is costing the US Tax Payers Billions a month in Bribes to Iraqi Militia's.
Several Religious and Melita Leaders are being payed in cold hard Cash not to attack them.
The "SPLURGE" not the "SURGE" is working.
ubuibiok 3 years ago
The situation over there is so complicated I still don't understand what this expert was saying has happened.
GrownupPhan 3 years ago
yes..the surge was a success so quit trying to spin out of the truth. Geez, these far left nuts won`t quit!!
rclopez1118 3 years ago
If it was wrong to go in its wrong to win unless you're morally retarded.
WashMitt 3 years ago
Sometimes it seems like moral retardation is an epidemic.
schmiggen 3 years ago
Whats all this talk about the surge? Did we forget this war is illegal and based on lies. We need to surge our ass out of Iraq! Now!
eekdog2005 3 years ago
Well somebody ought to tell that to Obama. He plans on keeping military bases and troops in Iraq indefinantly.
Also, Bush has access to the largest cash of WMDs on earth. If he were lying, why wouldn't he just plant one of them in Iraq after the invasion and say "Here it is!" It'd be so easy to do if he was sure there weren't any WMDs there. The answer: He thought there were WMDs in Iraq. And being wrong, doesn't make you a liar; good news for all of us, don't you think? CRK
CrackrocKid 3 years ago
What do you think would happen in Iraq if America left ?
krugg21 3 years ago
The reason why Obama must declare if Iraq was a Military success, has nothing to do with the morality of this war or any war. It concerns the administration of the mechanics of war.
As Com&Chf, Obama will be the admin for the Military. If he cannot judge whether the military has excerised the act of war successfully, then Obama is unqualified to be Cmndr&Chf. CRK
CrackrocKid 3 years ago
What a bunch of BULLSHIT LIBERAL PROPAGANDA. They have the nerve to call this "The Real News". This is 100% BULLSHIT. Why don't they just call it the "LIBERAL BULLSHIT NEWS NETWORK"?
Bellita1 3 years ago
even if it was a "success" - if you do a bank robbery and it goes really well and its a "success" - that does make it right?
a million iraqis dead - a fucked up parameter for success.
greenbean1984 3 years ago
Yes, the Bank Robbery was a success. Was, robbing a bank a successful endevor? That is the moral question. But the question as to whether the mechanics of the bank robbery were executed succesfully, releates to the question: Did the military succesfully carry out the mechanics of war. CRK
CrackrocKid 3 years ago
ok, i understand what you mean.
but like i said, i dont think the military carried out the mechanics of war successfully with 1 million dead iraqis.
if the object was to get rid of saddam; it wasn't done very effiecently.
if the object was to get rid of saddam, create chaos and take control of the oil; physically and politically - it was done very effiecently.
greenbean1984 3 years ago
They got the oil contracts for the American, British and one French company, and that was their real objective. Saddam had control of his own oil before. Also lots of buds of GW and Dick got really rich on the Am. Taxpayer dole. Stealing can be good for republicons.
schultzee4748 3 years ago
exactly
Dick is a real dick.
greenbean1984 3 years ago 2
And Democrats too, because of course Obama has no intention of vacating US bases in Iraq. He has said he'll leave troops in Iraq indefinantly. His "redployment strategy" would keep a great number of troops in and around the region. Why do you suppose a democrat, who was nominated for opposing the war, would do that? Is he helping Bush and company out? Is he in on it?
Or, is Iraq more important than just oil? Could it be, that Iraq is a critical piece of Mid-East strategy? CRK
CrackrocKid 3 years ago
Well, 1 million dead Iraqis, that's a bit inflated. Personally, I feel that to inflate the number of dead, disrespects those who mdid die and the families they left behind. As if they weren't enough to be upset about, the number needed to be exagerated for more dramatic effect. Come on.
Whether the war was right or wrong morally is a debate which may outlive us. But the question of whether the military executed their orders successfully is answered in the affirmative. CRK
CrackrocKid 3 years ago
1 million is not inflated, its the official figure. and dont try and give me that emotional bullshit about 'offending the victims families if the figure is inflated'
thats like fox news saying if you dont believe the official government story of 9/11 your upsetting the victims families.
lets stick to objective reasoning.
but anyway; what do you believe the military orders to be?
to get rid of saddam.
or to get rid of saddam, create chaos and get the oil?
greenbean1984 3 years ago
1 Million is who's official figure? Honestly, I'm asking you a question, now, not being sarcastic.
The Military's mission was to:
Nullify the Iraqi Army: Check
Gain control of the region and resources (Oil): Check
Remove Hussien from power: Check
Establish & Secure Military Bases: Check
Oversee and protect the formation of new government: Check
Train new Iraqi military to beat back the insurgancy, preventing all out civil war: Check
CRK
CrackrocKid 3 years ago
The debate of wether the war was moral or not, should be unaffected by whether the act of war was successfully executed.
I'm still unclear as to why you're so offended by the fact that the Military was successful in its mission in Iraq, when your argument is whether the Military should have gone to Iraq in the 1st place. CRK
CrackrocKid 3 years ago
had a look into the figure, its actually around 100,000. not 1 million. my bad, should research things im told.
anyway, i agree with you that the army carried out their orders. but what constituets success? if they killed everyone in iraq and i mean everyone, they could check all of your above critea as well but would you consider that a success?
what difines success and what failure?
for me, 100000 dead means things havent gone all that well.
greenbean1984 3 years ago
just my opinion, the "success" word should be used carefully
also, i think the objects were a bit like:
nullify iraq army.
remove saddam and other non co-operating members of parliment.
gain control over resources.
install US approved government.
and pass US oil freindly legislation.
build military bases for long term occupation.
create civil unrest and violence to justify stay in iraq to rest of world, then quell violence to claim success.
greenbean1984 3 years ago
I can't disagree with your version of objectives, though I still stand by mine.
Either way, the Military was the means by which these objectives were achieved. We should all just accpet that if military actionn is taken, by any admin, for any reason it will result in: Death, destruction, chaos and sorrow. That's reality.
Perhaps we can agree that a "Kinder, gentler" War Machine isn't what's needed; but instead: a greater reverance & understanding for what War means. CRK
CrackrocKid 3 years ago
1st, I give you respect for admitting you misquoted that figure. That shows integrity, which serves your perspective well.
2nd, It would be ignorant of me to dismiss the loss of Iraqi life as acceptable, no matter the reason.
I see the military as a machine. That machine was employed to do a job. It did that job. Sadly, that job involves the massive loss of life.
Whether or not the machine should've been turned on or not, will be answered by history not yet written. CRK
CrackrocKid 3 years ago
i think we've been trying to say the same thing all along.
the military is a machine.
and it usually carries out its objectivs "successfuly".
so i would like to conclude by saying that the iraq war has been a success for the bush administration, the army generals and the oil companies involved.
but its a failure to the everyone else in the rest of the world.
just be careful, because the media are now trying to convince you its a been a success for you!
greenbean1984 3 years ago
The media would like to forget about Iraq, (for the moment)because the situation has improved. When the insurgency was at its worst, the entire media (not just news) would talk of nothing else.
But if you mean that by the absence of balanced coverage of the surge's military success, the media are conceding that's what occurred; well... I'll keep my eyes peeled, thanks, CRK
CrackrocKid 3 years ago
It was a temporary situation anyway, but now...violence is breaking out again ALL OVER THE COUNTRY.
The last 2 days in Iraq have been absolutely horrible, with many deaths & many wounded.
THE SURGE IS A FAILURE.
AND BUSH IS NOT GOING TO GET THE OIL BILL THRU THE IRAQ PARLIMENT GIVING MAJOR OIL COMPANIES THE CONTROL OVER IRAQ'S OIL. THE WHOLE MISSION HAS BEEN A FAILURE -- COSTING MANY BILLIONS!
DillonX 3 years ago
vis a vis
k2dart 3 years ago
This guy is muttering bumbling idiot. Even the far left presenter can not agree with his nonsense.
blackxavior 3 years ago
What questions did the interviewer ask that made him seem "far left"?
cobwebhead 3 years ago
I have seen some of his other interviews. I based my statement on that.
blackxavior 3 years ago
Great vid *****
FRAIRAUM 3 years ago
The US should never have invaded Iraq. It was all planned years before abd all done under false pretences. The military industrial complex continues. Its really sad when the vice president makes 70 million dollars from the war.
buddyfreakinholly 3 years ago
Isn't this professor from a typical liberal university located in bumbfuck Toronto? Of course he only provides one side to his views, its his job as a libertard!
1ProLife 3 years ago
Great vid *****
Toxxic88 3 years ago
All of you wake up and smart up....it was/is the BRIBE money Bush paid to the insurgents NOT the bullscrap joking surge that result in reduce attack against the nazi U.S occupier. The Bush administration handed over to the Iraqi insurgent leaders billion of dollars in exchange for the temporary truce and hold their support for al Qaeda fighters there. When and if the BRIBE money ran out, the nazi occupier's tanks and trucks will be blown up like popcorns again. The surge my ahsssssss..LOLL
BruceLeeKickYoAss4 3 years ago
"More officials are briefed on NSA spying reports than they are on this one."
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SevenMinusOne 3 years ago
the only threat of violence i see in the world today is the united states, and they have the high-tech weapons to prove it.
deliciousmorton 3 years ago
you don't see car bombings on the news in the US like in sand nigger countries deliciousmorton but thanks to the border situation you might in the future if our government doesn't start deporting.
x11115 3 years ago
xenophobia and racism are as big problem in the US, as it was in germany in the 20s, 30s, and 40s.
deliciousmorton 3 years ago
When the US went into Iraq the first time we made agreements with Saddam and he brke them tens of times so yes the war in Iraq was planned before 2003. The US could have invaded Iraq years before and the UN could not have said a single thing. America gave Iraq a chance the first time and they did not follow the agreements. Simply kicking out the weapons inspectors was a violation of the agreement.
krugg21 3 years ago
GW Bush told the inspectors to leave. Recall they wanted to reamain there.
The number of lies that were told to get control of Iraq's oil will hopefully one day be known. GW Bush is nothing but a high class thief and so are most of his have more core.
schultzee4748 3 years ago
high level thief, not high class
shaire99 3 years ago
lol this guy is totally one sided and single minded.
username0u812ic 3 years ago
MEMENTOEXPOSE>>>>your quote: "Hasn't the American army been in Japan and Germany for more than 50 years, and look at those countries"
my comment:
are you fucking kidding me? it is true the americans have been in germany and japan for 50 years but in those country they don't shoot and bomb us! does anybody in usa believes that if we stay in iraq for 50 years they are not going to bomb an shoot our troops?????
and another thing,we did not invade and forced a regime change in germany or japan!
ozne64 3 years ago
Umm I am against those who are 'shooting at you', I am arguing for your side, are you an idiot?
MementoExpose 3 years ago
That's what I was saying, I was saying that he shouldn't call the ones shooting at people 'resistance', I'm saying that they SHOULDN'T fight. What is your objection about what I said I don't get it ...?
MementoExpose 3 years ago
THERE IS NO ''RESISTANCE'' IN IRAQ. There are only outlaws/terrorists and militias, who are resisting the democratically elected government and it's will! I can't believe that this guy is calling them resistance, I bet that if he lived in Iraq he would have a different opinion, and what he said about 65% of the violence being done by the Americans is completely false
MementoExpose 3 years ago
There IS a resistance in Iraq. That is why there were elections in '05 when the US wanted to install Chalabi. And the 1 million dead Iraqis are US responsibility. Over 300,000 were DIRECTLY killed by the US & its terrorist mercenaries like Blackwater. The other 2/3rds were killed by an insurgency US policy produced. And.. uh.. the US is at the point of defeat. SOFA & the oil law will be defeated. The Sadr movement is probably going to win next election and kick out the imperialists.
Xenu 3 years ago
congrats on this great great resistance, let's see how many Iraqis and how many Americans will be dead by the time you're done 'resisting.' And about not electing Chalabi, I am all for that, there is nothing wrong with peaceful resistance, but carrying guns and shooting at fellow Iraqis or planting bombs and suicidal attacks against fellow Iraqis is called terrorism not resistance.
MementoExpose 3 years ago
Peaceful negotiations is resistance, the only time military resistance is valid is during the time of the initial invasion, after the US army succeeded in invading Iraqi then that's it, the armed resistance lost the war when the invasion happened, and after that they decided to kill a Million Iraqi to punish... the Americans?! LOL.
MementoExpose 3 years ago
Hate to break it to you, and I doubt it'll set in, but coalition forces are DIRECTLY responsible for 1/3rd of the million Iraqis killed. By resistance I'm not referring to the Baathists or Al-Qaeda or the armed coalition brought together by the Sadr movement. But there is a resistance that includes the labor unions, movements symbolized by al-Sistani, and yes, armed elements within the Mahdi Army. And the US had a considerable role in creating the civil war in Iraq.
Xenu 3 years ago
AlQaeda never existed, it's audio-visual fiction.
The "sectarian violence" was nothing but FALSE FLAG attacks because of the timing(politically timed) and way the attacks were made(car bombs with high grade explosives, like the time when they caught those 2 Brits in Basra with the car bomb).
Even religious leaders of the mosques said how the ones responsible for such attacks were neither Sunni nor Shia, and that they were an attempt to weaken Iraqi unity.
asperin 3 years ago
Collateral damage is a form of plausible deniability by the United States so they cant be accused for War Crimes.
When you drop a 2 ton bomb on a house near a hospital, as they did in Sadr City, only an idiot wouldnt think it would not take out some of the hospital...which is what it did killing patients and hospital workers.
Irondukesteve 3 years ago 2
Mass killing can never be considered a success, the cost in lives is too much, but what if they had spent the Billions on the people and infrastructure it might have been successful, We never march in with the gift of life its always the gift of death on ALL sides.
Paranormal999 3 years ago
Surge mY ass,call it what the fuck it really is you repug liars,its called ESCALATIOn.I
blair227 3 years ago 2
What i find outragious is the collatoral Damage way too much. Theres 5 million Displaced and murdered over a half million.
Right now when a national takes it upon himself and Act American like in the movie Red Dawn they lable them Taliban Or Big Al which for the most part is still CIA and Mossat riging the need for further escalations. The lies have been exposed. Time to bring home the boys and realy Break off Our Massive aid to Israel and start putting people to work who actualy live here.
cycimian 3 years ago 2
TRUTH!!!
danoking69 3 years ago
Every time I hear more info like this, it makes me wanna burn down ABC, CBS, NBC, CNN, and Fox for all of their NWO propaganda.
blunt1984 3 years ago
what the hell, DON'T CALL THEM RESISTANCE, they are terrorists not resistance
MementoExpose 3 years ago
Formally they are 'resistance', since the foreign military presence in Iraq is illegal. Denying this fact is denying international treaties and the transnational ties we once build to prevent genocide.
Currently many governments and mass media want you to belief that every Muslim that kills does so in name of their belief and is connected to Al Quaeda. The world is much more complex than condensing it in such a monolithical idee fixes.
DigitalBabu 3 years ago
I am Muslim and Iraqi and I don't call them resistance, first of all these outlaws have NOTHING to do with the Americans in Iraq, they don't kill Americans, they kill Iraqis!!! Second, the Americans are going to leave Iraq when the elected Iraqi government asks them to, we don't have to turn Iraq into a jungle and shoot soldiers in the middle of the streets to do it, there is no resistance in Iraq anyway, there is no one fighting the Americans, there are outlaws/militias who are killing IRAQIS
MementoExpose 3 years ago
Hate to shatter your innocence but the US - if they leave Iraq - will only leave because of the defeat of SOFA and the US oil law. McCain has stated he doesn't care what the Iraqi government says. Obama plans to only retreat half of the troops and leave Blackwater & other terrorist groups. The insurgency is a mixed bunch. There are many terrorists in it fighting for power.
Xenu 3 years ago
Really, and what is the American army going to do in Iraq?? Hasn't the American army been in Japan and Germany for more than 50 years, and look at those countries, I would rather the Americans stay in Iraq forever than have those foreign extremists running Iraq(And most Iraqis would agree.)The US army is helping Iraq right now, irregardless of what you think about the initial invasion, right now they are helping and they are not the enemy.& anyway, Iraq/the US has defeated the outlaws,it's over
MementoExpose 3 years ago
Your ignorance is profound. The US had to rebuild Germany and Japan in order to create a market for its overproduction in order to avoid a return to the Great Depression. Remember, the US was supportive of European fascism until they got out of lone. In Iraq, the US is trying to prevent democracy in order to control its oil and install permanent military bases. Most Iraqis are not traitors like you & know US is responsible for Abu Ghraib, Fallujah & supporting Saddam during his worse crimes
Xenu 3 years ago
I don't see how being an Iraqi or Muslim has any weight in the matter. Besides the information opposing your "rosy" view is overwhelming.
And you're missing my point; I stated that US illegally invaded Iraq. And that western governments are sustaining the 'terrorist' meme, to justify their action and presence in the region.
Sure they've rid Iraq from their dictator, but in return they've gotten turmoil and the standard western neo-imperialistic puppet play under the banner of democracy.
DigitalBabu 3 years ago
My being Muslim and Iraqi has a lot to do with it because you said "Currently many governments and mass media want you to belief that every Muslim that kills does so in name of their belief and is connected to Al Quaeda." ANYWAY, about the invasion, we can't change that it's already happened, and there is no resistance in Iraq today
MementoExpose 3 years ago
even if I wanted to support a movement like that (and I don't) then it has to exist first! But there is no 'resistance' group in Iraq today, the Iraqi guy in this video is an idiot and he has no idea what he's talking about, what kind of 'resistance' kills 1 MILLION civilians, and just over 4000 troopers?! Does this sound like a resistance group or a terrorist group? The US army will leave after negotiations with the Iraqi government, not by the actions of those crazy outlaws
MementoExpose 3 years ago
if it wasn't for this ''Resistance'' then the US army would not even be in Iraq today! They would either have left completely or they would be in bases outside the city (As in many countries in the region and in Europe.) Why should Iraq 'resist' the US army while all those other countries, including fellow ''Muslim countries'' have American bases in their own countries? Why should Saudi or other foreign Muslim militants go to Iraq to fight when there are Americans in their own countries?!
MementoExpose 3 years ago
If those Muslims want to fight the Americans then they should do it in their own countries. Those few people who are actually fighting the Americans (these people make up less than 0.000001% of the fraction of outlaws in Iraq) are all foreigners not Iraqis, because all Iraqis (Sunnis/Shiites and Kurds) are now allied WITH the US, the ones fighting want Baghdad to be the seat of the Caliphate again that's why they're fighting! They want to bring back Harun al Rashid from the grave LOL
MementoExpose 3 years ago
Uh.. dude. You obviously live in your own little fantasy world. You are obviously ignorant of US polls which indicate the overwhelming majority of the Iraqi people want the US out and over half say attacking US troops is justified. And the insurgency is OVERWHELMINGLY Iraqi. The major non-US terrorists are the neo-Baathists who are newly allied with the US. You are a traitor to your people and an ally of Saddam's old friends in Washington.
Xenu 3 years ago
I'm a traitor because I don't support your Islamist friends who have killed over a Million people in Iraq? brilliant, you people are amusing, but can you tell me which 'resistance' I am supposed to support...? because I don't see any soldiers being killed, just Iraqi civilians. And about Saddam, what the hell brought Saddam into this? when the fuck did I mention Saddam or 'his friends in Washington'? crazy neo-terrorist. how many civilians did your 'resistance' friends kill in Iraq today?
MementoExpose 3 years ago
You Muslims crack me up, a little over 4000 dead from their side, and over a MILLION- 1 000 000- killed from your side (mostly by your brave 'resistance') and you call this resistance? Congrats on that great resistance buddy, go resist, go ahead keep killing each other, the civilized world is laughing at you. And at the end of the day there will be thousands of dead Iraqis and not one soldier killed, wow what a great resistance, anyone who doesn't support it must be crazy LOL
MementoExpose 3 years ago
"You Muslims"? I thought you were a Muslim. I guess you're just an American white right-wing extremist pretending to be an Iraqi? And from the terminology you use you are extraordinarily uninformed about Iraq. I'm calling you out as a fraud.
Xenu 3 years ago
Yeah because I have nothing better to do than to pretend to be Iraqi when I'm not yeah? Dude GET OVER IT, I'm not a terrorist supporter, and I'm a Muslim but not a religious one (and definitely not an extremist) if you don't like it then you can bang your head against the nearest wall, I'm more Iraqi than you will ever be and I will never support this murderous 'resistance' of your's even if you were about to behead me, yalla go resist, go kill Iraqis
من طاح ظك وحظ الريسيستانس مالك يا أثول
MementoExpose 3 years ago
Jesus is a warrior prophet
Many verses in Bible shows Jesus was a warrior prophet (like David, Moses and Muhammad pbuh)
1- In Matthew 10:34 Jesus said "Do not suppose that I have come to bring peace to the earth. I did not come to bring peace, but A SWORD "
2- Jesus told his disciples to sell their outer garments and buy SWORDS !!
" He said to them, "But now if you have a purse, take it, and also a bag; and if you don't have a sword, sell your cloak and buy one." (Luke 22:36)
TalibansRus 3 years ago
then get that lazy bastard to start kicking some ass. Wonder who he would start with first.
krammitAll 3 years ago
And you are aware that the line refers only to short blades like knives or daggers, and that "swords" is merely one particular translation. Swords were extremely uncommon and impractical during the times of Jesus and the suggestion that he was calling for his followers to arm themselves with boardswords that would not be seen for more than a thousand years is patently absurd.
ganubis 3 years ago
"Murder all the brown people and there is less of them over to kill."
The surged worked.
Vote McBush.
ngarey 3 years ago
While I experienced some difficulty following this interview with the regular interruptions, al-Nasseri is correct about one major point: the sectarian violence was POLITICAL and not religious. Yes, ethnic and religious lines somewhat helped define the parameters of the factions involved in the violence, but it was NEVER A WAR BETWEEN those who believed Ali ibn Abi Talib was the rightful successor of Muhammad and those who followed the path of the Caliph. This image of crazy Sunni and Shia...
ganubis 3 years ago
was pushed in Western propaganda (news) because it aided in masking responsibility for the carnage which followed the invasion of Iraq. It was suggested repeatedly by US and UK leaders and intellectuals in the media that the default condition of Islam is a perpetual violence between two uncooperative fundamentalist communities bent on erasing each other. The implication (sometimes explicit) is that Hussein "kept them apart" and that it was "only natural". And, of course, "mistakes were made".
ganubis 3 years ago
Murder intensifies the ignorance of mankind.
Love your brother, love your neighbor.
Be kind to your fellow man.
dustynbones 3 years ago
Yes it was a success , Iraq has defeated the terrorists
MementoExpose 3 years ago
By Iraq you mean the Awakening Councils? So you're saying terrorists defeated other terrorists. True, but now that the neo-Baathist guerrillas think the US is on their side this will make national reconciliation more difficult. The counter-insurgency plan has increased tribalism and regional powers, which may make things much worse in the long run.
Xenu 3 years ago
Come on you guys. You are making up stuff to talk about. 911 was a staged event, the war was a staged event the progress of "war" was a staged event. The "surge" was little more than a talking point. You have all these people in suits talking about made up stuff. They have decided to wind "the event" down some and they have to have talking points of presumptive theories of action. It was all about pirating the oil and pretending it was about something else. It is all horseshit. No offense.
hypnofan35 3 years ago
Since all this is staged beginning with 911 being the first act, the show must go on this means appropriating all the fuel in the ground in an ongoing staged show of BS. What is next? you ask. There is the mining, refining, and marketing of all the oil in the ground. Maximizing profits is next. Block the tanker access, so the oil has to be refined and pipelined across Dubai. That's the ticket. You heard it here first. Keep stymying other more efficient energy technologies.
hypnofan35 3 years ago