Snake Style Kung Fu - 1994

[lanciauxrayz]

0:52 nice rolling

[Fiiidla]

Wing Chun..Correctly called Ving tsun ..Was developed from Snake and Crane Kung Fu..So interesting that Kung Fu is always developing!

[mantis729]

I too was impressed with this, but if you think this is a good system check out the Jook Lum Southern Mantis, its energy is very controlling and quick

[imheretoruinyourday]

Definitely like this mans attitude to the style.

[786myfist]

nice video

[devilledevil98]

yea that stuff all looks cool but how does rolling around and falling down help in a fight? -.-

[tigress66]

wich one is older, wing chun or snake kung fu style?

[XCarolinaPantherX]

0:46 Drunken Fist!

[emulare11]

Awesome discussions going on here guys.

My question with kung fu has always been this: since little differences in form (an inch here or there) can make such a difference, it's easy to teach a student incorrectly (intentionally or not). Since, traditionally, Asians didn't want westerners to learn kf, I'm afraid that they taught/are teaching it incorrectly on purpose. I know a wc master who says that I wouldn't be able to know the difference-I don't want to risk losing my life that way. Thoughts?

[pistol975]

@emulare11 You bring up a good point. There are many schools who fall under this problem. Yet, many masters have changed their attitude about teaching. In fact many of the "new discoveries" one might read about recently pertaining to kung fu are an example of some of those who have been taught wrong or at least not taught it all. There are still some great and real kung fu school's around. Some strictly traditional, some more eclectic. I am a fortunate member of a great school! God bless!

[smokinthepot]

@emulare11 a good master will help you develop a way that works for you all skills may be slightly diferent between schools styles masters practitioners doesnt mean to say only one of them is always right

[pingskillz]

It looks like Wing Chun. Wing Chun has some snake moves too. And the Drunken style look nice! I saw a movie called 'True Legend' the man use the Drunken style too.

[pingskillz]

Nice. I see an Wing Chun dummy. Do you guys practise on Wing Chun dummy?

[lubui2583]

very interesting style and art. however, i dont think it would work in a street fight unleass you have incredible hand speed

[mrbigdom88]

@lubui2583 although that seems true and I see why alot of people feel that way but look at it like this , the Shaolin protected China for thousands of years with these types of arts, against the common attacker and trained/armed soldiers. I belive that this, like all martial arts are effective if the artist has the skill/training. 

[MartialArchiveTv]

@lubui2583 This art comes from a time when unique techniques were essential to protecting oneself and your community. Street fights are usually brute force not skilled martial artists. Also what's being presented as "real" fighting these days is good jiu-jitsu that favors larger and heavier people. Learning techniques that do not rely on weight or height are beneficial for everyone.

[lubui2583]

@MartialArchiveTv Thats true. It is hard to find someone who teaches this type of style. I think its great.

[oyamarovic]

@MartialArchiveTv maybe but this time is long time ago from generetion to generetion the style always changes a little bit

nowdays most of traditional styles have much useless movements

if someone wanna learn kung fu for selfdefence for real fights

then he should look for a sifu who is ... or was a fighter

many masters cannot fight they only learned the techniques but never tested it

[MartialArchiveTv]

@oyamarovic "useless" or unexplained? Many fighters can't do form or teach, many form people can't fight but know the applications. If we look at the fine arts, painting for example, many masters are unable to teach but they learned their craft from someone who nobody knows about and may not have been very good. One day somebody will look at a traditional art and go, "ah ha!" and everyone will benefit.

[iamuseu2]

@MartialArchiveTv "is good jiu-jitsu that favors larger and heavier people" Thats pretty ignorant ...

[MartialArchiveTv]

@iamuseu2 Show us a skinny 120 pound person who has won any of those "ultimate" fights using standard jiu-jitsu techniques and we'll consider changing our opinion. If a smaller person can't use it against a much larger person it's a technique that favors size over universal effectiveness. A small person can use Snake style techniques against a much larger person, not that Snake style is better than jiu-jitsu,

No style is better than another style universally.

[ggglllllll]

@MartialArchiveTv I would love to see a real martial artist agains these brawlers that everyone idolizes now adays just so they can see how a real martial artist can take them down with out even trying, oh and not to mention with out useing tackles or fighting on the floor.

[MLee1692]

@MartialArchiveTv Yo, I think there's great value in traditional martial arts. Combative expression, flexibility, health, speed, fitness, some elements of self defense, ethics, honor, etc.

But, BJJ was designed for smaller people to defeat larger people. The Gracies took on people that were significantly heaver than them. Look up Royce and Renzo Gracie's old fights. Hell, look up Royce Gracie vs. Akebono.

[MartialArchiveTv]

@MLee1692 Indeed, their father was a smaller man then they were. Nice person as well. But when you get down to it, ground fighting with a larger opponent is the task for a confident fighter who can quickly assess the skills of their opponent. The Gracies are exceptional fighters. An average person looking to live without major injury wants to end a confrontation as quickly as possible.

[fitnessboyPR]

@lubui2583 great handspeed is part of the style and its what makes it effective, even more if you combine it with Brazilian jiujitsu,judo, wing chun, taek won do or muay thai

[developyourqi]

@lubui2583 ever taken a finger thrust from someone with a conditioned hand?

[BR3AK1TD0WN]

@lubui2583 I'm 6 foot and weigh 200. i have had my ass thrown around like a rag doll by a 5' 3'' 135 pound chinese woman. size and strength aren't everything.

[henh32]

@BR3AK1TD0WN Hope she wasn't your wife. 

[tranglomango]

@lubui2583 u gotta be kidding..it is the basic concept of the greatest martial arts styles in the world, along with crane and tiger...wing chun is based on snake and crane basic principals and it is one of the best self defence systems ever created along tai chi also uses snake style and crane style basics as the foundation of tai chi's forms of fighting and self defending...so she quan or snake style is one of the few kung fu styles wich are extremly usefull on real combat situations...

[tranglomango]

@lubui2583 UNLESS U TRAIN IT HARD AS HELL....Now train it and test it u r close minded

[JOSICHEN1961]

Snake fist is a internal system, for it to work one,s must be whole as oneself.

[holygroove2]

Cool to see this. I like finding out about the similarities to wing chun, and there seem to be a lot of movements that were taken from the snake style in Wing Chun, esp the rolling of the wrists, and the peircing, the thing about "sticking". Very good to see this!

[hulkout666]

@holygroove2 My Sifu explained to me that Wing Chun is made up primarily of snake and crane movements along with some other things. Things like huen sao, biu jee, kwun sao, I believe are all snake movements. But the biggest similarity I see which is more important than individual technique is the flow. You don't just do techniques in a choppy "tick tock" way! You flow into the next movement.

[tsi2568]

Wish I could travel to you one time to practise at that school.

[Namriu94]

man is his school still up , cause i live in nj

[DaleKamp]

Wow, I wish I could've trained here. 1994 is when I started Kenpo as a kid.

[1980theone]

Excuse me, I have a question. Does Snake Style cover ground fighting as well? It is a snake. (Just Wondering) I heard Jujitsu copied snake a little slightly bit or something. :P

Thanks :)

[AznDoesGuitar]

@1980theone Yes but very little movements. Snake Style is more of Cobra movements. Head up and then striking very quickly.

[snakefist1965]

Snake fist must for one can master oneself.

[leapsntwirls89]

Holy crap.. I used to know Rondie very well when I was very young, and my older brother is the little blonde kid in this video. I'm blown away.

[pl225]

so this was a very long time ago

[front131]

What an excellent guy! His students are fortunate to have such a sifu as him.

[maddiemad]

Does anybody know of a self teaching snake style kung fu book? all the basics?

[graduator08]

The only way you can truly learn is by being teaching a true teacher of the art.

[juswolf22]

Is this guy dojo even still going? Anyone know?

[jonhmclane91]

here is a list of martial arts i would like to get to know snake style , drunk fist , iron fist , wing chun , cqc , and ninjitsu

[juswolf22]

I wanna learn snake and akido

[maceioninjutsu]

I'm a ninjutsu guy check out Bujinkan! Also I dont understand your statement

[goldenrod666]

i believe that this snake style will be the best thing for me. but without the money ( or being at all near him ) i think self taught would be ok too. the snake has no strategy no set course really. the snake does not attack, it waits for the other to attack.

[blestcurst]

YEAH BUDDY

[mcul2112]

i like this guy. seems genuine. nice guy...no boasting....just "it is what it is".

certain styles i like. well....most are pretty cool. but a good, down to earth teacher is what will attract me to a school.

[Obsidian1392]

wow looks very interesting

[knightofsilla]

Where is Rondie Chen now?

[zaynDFH]

i wish there was a snake teacher near me

[firedigimon99]

@zaynDFH Love snake style and animal or reptaile whatever xD

[milvipes]

Mostly southern styles, popularized by HK movies. The northern martial heritage is just as rich, but due to political & economic reason, never received nearly as much attention.

[LEWA121]

i'd like to learn drunken style kung fu

[SeriousSam505]

i'm practising the monkey, drunk and snake, tiger and mantis kungfu

[snakefist1965]

There will a Grand reunion for the chen's wu shu and Chen's snake fist students, and those who interest in . further information will be follow

[Bagface]

@snakefist1965 can u elaborate?

[adamwingchun]

looks like good stuff

[Sanningsministeriet]

Showing so much of the forms and drills, very traditional! I practice a similar snake fist, its the first time i see a video of snake form that makes sense like this, wich is sad since its a great combat style!

[dreamcastII]

excellent use of the dummy there. Would love to see more. Very tight-in to that apparatus. Nice to see that 'sand-pit' (for want of another phrase) being used like that for conditioning

[ChinoBonito]

Wow it's not often you see traditional snake and drunken style :D

[darkkpianist]

1:32 i don't agree. You need some kind of conditioning and strength training. What good is a technique if your body isn't developed enough to execute it to the fullest potential possible?

[Kippest]

a strike only needs to be precise.. for instance a strike to the throat or eyes (snake strikes) do not require alot of power. both would down an attacker in one hit if precision is trained instead of strength training

[wannabeebee]

What happens if that cant be done?

Weight training also conditions the limbs.

Weight training is a must in any form of real combat

[Carthage20]

not true

[demon4411]

Haha, you must understand, there is a difference between Martial Arts and raw brutallity. Yes a big muscle man could get in a fight with a little martial artist, who would win?

[SeriousSam505]

the little martial artist, because he uses power to k.o the big muscle man, muscles and power are not the same, a man can have big muscles but no power, only strengh

[hotpopcorncake]

1:46 those are really fast and weird drills ,i did snake for a day i forgot the grabs and stuff to it

[joncobber]

Does anyone know if he still teaches, if so does anyone have information on this?

[BuddaHzbong]

now this could be bull its its worth the question. I heard in in some place that training your hands with sand in that diving technique might have an effect on eyesight and many longer devoted practitioners need glasses or the like because of something to do with nerve endings?

[MemphisFlash]

it is true that there is a connection to your eyesight and your finger tips, however it would take an over abundance of finger tip strikes to a hard surface, with out using 'dit dat jow',(Iron hit wine/balm) before it will damage your eye sight. Most students that start any kind of Iron Palm/hand/finger-tip training don't stick with it long enough to even get the best results, let alone the bad results. Si-Fu Mark

[xylsvos]

He is an awesome teacher, Snake from Taiwan is very traditional

[pittfan63]

I helped him set-up this school in Kinnelon, NJ. I couldn't attend too many classes as I was a full time college student attending WPC.

JC21454, I remember you when you were only 3 years old. Thats how long I've known your Dad.

I do miss the tough yet, fun training days with him.

[seraph709]

I am hoping he has a school in North NJ..would luv to train

[FaceInTheRain]

Do you know if Sifu Chen still has a school in NJ? What happened to him?

[MartialArchiveTv]

His job used to take him out of town for extended periods. We haven't heard from him in many years.

[JC21454]

my dads so cool dont deny it lol

[JC21454]

lol my dads so cool dont deny it

[cw91335]

this was from '94? coolio

[nirpal24]

Some of it seems similar to wing chun. And they also seem to use the wing chun dummy aswell.

[opticannon]

a jong is a jong that has roots in shaolin no?

[Tazz77]

Wing Chun was derived mostly from snake and crane.

[goktimusprime]

So what's the basic difference between northern and southern snake?

[tuzwol]

Northern focuses more on kicks and Southern on hands

[ArtduTao]

... and O-Mei snake focuses on both

[darioferrini]

Emei snake is most similar to south snake!