Judo Throws & Moves : Kisa Katame & Ude Garame Judo Techniques

[Brady2k10]

"and ya can just let one go in his face as a means of self defence, very effective"

[gilababibaba]

@UniversalCrew72 aww, u 4got karate~

[TheTestemunhaocular]

Gente do céu...Tabajara´s jiu-jitsu club...kkkkkkk

[kirkoloft10]

just farted to his face as de mean of self defence

[SaucySasquatch]

1:05 he says control him with my right foot, thats his left foot

[iplaycsrs]

@SaucySasquatch yeah man, it's for leverage, so the guy doesn't roll out ya know?

[MrBen3r]

Mugger: give me your money..

Me: could you lay on the floor a second mate?

[kirkoloft10]

respect

[ultimatemanofwar]

never under-estimate an old man , cause he might be a judoka and will kick your ass..........

[darksidejuggernaut]

I heard the first 1 was like pfff, and then the long 1 was erhhh, am I right or I didnt hear 2or3 farts I say 2 because the 2nd 1 was long and it stop and weant err errr

[eddit]

If you triangle your legs over his head, after putting the left leg over like he did, you have a triangle. It's very tight.. You put your head to the mat on his opposite side and it is very effective.

[Zeferak]

Those guys may be old, but I bet they could kick my ass.

[lilrobie]

this is very nice....so simple yet so effective!!

thanks for sharing sensei!!

I am going to encorporate this into our ground work sequences.

[DrVoltage1]

Sigh...another "expert"village fail. First its Kesa Gatame, secondly his kesa gatame is modified making it no longer a scarf hold (right arm in this case is supposed to be around the neck)...ehh why bother you all should know by now there isnt an expert there.

[dmark460D]

ill only let you go if you give me a bj

fuck...

[hillharrismotorcity]

nasty technique and nasty fart lol this is some silly $hit

[JKT6]

americana variation?

[DrVoltage1]

@JKT6 americana is the variation of the original technique. I cant remember the exact name, but its the kimura (nicknamed after Kimura who broke an opponents arm bad doing it) just bending the opposite way.

[browniesftw123]

lmao he actually shat out like 3/4 farts in that old guys face, while putting the beat down on him.

hahaha amazing X'D

[leralon]

LOL at like 0:52 -0:54 he farts in the dudes face... turn ur volume up and u can hear it. he like farts and then he gives a sigh of relief!

[CoureursDeFantome]

hahahaha ur right! i didnt notice the first time, i rolled it back exactly right to hear the poooooooot lol

[frizzlefry2626]

@leralon :P LOL your right

[turkeytarik]

@leralon for a second i smelt it!

[JKT6]

@leralon LOLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL­L

[mucik]

@leralon ahaha, your crazy and funny, hahaha... and here i am, trying to listen at 0:52 as well, hahhaa

[cmetpb]

@leralon it was the tatami not a fart !

[felipx12]

@leralon it happened to me too

[kirkoloft10]

it was as de mean of self defence

[kmxfiles1]

its kesa gatame dumb asses

[snookohead123456]

lol i think he farted in the 1 minute mark

[Brady2k10]

haha nah he didnt but it would have been funny if he did haha

[timontimus]

but cant he bite ya groin XD

[erdenetuul15]

Wahaha bite wahahaha ! can't bite being farted

[gabbomushy]

good..

[mbe102]

@timontimus Yeah, then you break his arm. or hit him in the head with your heal. "For every action, their is an equal or opposite reaction."

[mucik]

@timontimus ahahahaha

[mucik]

@timontimus ahahahaha thats nasty, hahahha...

[chavamma]

@timontimus LOL he can rip it apart...

[MyPyromaniac123]

@timontimus if he was gay....then yes, he could

[theese101]

ya but you know they can kick your ass

[rusavolk]

i hope these old men wont hurt each other... old bones are very fragile

[joshuaMarioBros4566]

@rusavolk u cant believe the strenght that man has...

[trooperballs]

i like that

[forbesfoofighters]

i would rather roll for an arm bar on a inverted triangle choke

[cimawr]

Sorry for split-up comments; the character limit is forcing them. Regarding

" And I don't even have a clue as to how the arm he has trapped against his groin would get hurt.'... that tends to indicate you're limited in knowlege of armbars. It works exactly the same way as any other joint lock on the extended arm; the arm is being bent backwards at the elbow joint, while the shoulder joint is prevented from moving.

[kommisar]

Sorry, I still don't see it (how these cause one to tap). I'm not saying I don't believe you but I just don't see how. I guess I'll have to just experience it myself or see it from a different angle on another video. (The one here blocks a lot of the arms of the guy on the bottom.) I do hope to get more training in judo in any case. (I do MMA.)

About the "attitude", you're saying I'M posing an attitude. You're the one saying, "You ARE wrong," as if you're offended....

[cimawr]

"You're the one saying, "You ARE wrong," as if you're offended.... "

Not at all - again, I was replying to your "maybe I'm wrong" with "yes, you are". Perhaps I should have added a smiley face.

It still doesn't warrant you cursing and referring to my factual comment as "babbling".

[kempobrad]

1 armlock done by thrusting his belly forward = simply hyperextending your elbow like any standard straight armbar. hurts like a mofo.

2 by the looks of it, this isn't so much a shoulder lock like i expected but more of a compression lock. his wrist in the 'crook' of your elbow is being ground against your muscle which hurts. on top of that he is levering on your other wrist which adds pressure to that. plus if you do it hard enough you'll actually separate the joint. ude garame=arm lock

[kempobrad]

you could also take his wrist off laterally (sideways) for a standard shoulder lock. any joint lock is simply taking the joint past its natural range of motion.

[kommisar]

I'll have to ask a judo guy about that. I've been doing MMA for a while now and I've never seen anything like this.

[kempobrad]

judo, jujitsu, sambo, mma...same locks. just out of curiosity how long is a while?

[kommisar]

A bit under a year.  Something like 8-10 months.

[kempobrad]

thats cool. then i assume you do bjj at least to some extent. #1 is just a straight armbar without going to your back (juji gatame in japanese) ...#2 is basically an americana...or variation of it

[kommisar]

I don't see enough pressure going to #1 to make the guy tap, and someone said #2 was more of a ligament submission rather than a shoulder one, or something like that.

[kempobrad]

it doesn't take much pressure to make someone tap once you get the arm straight.

[kempobrad]

forgot to mention, i've seen pro fighters, such as oleg taktarov use and teach techniques very similar to this.

[kommisar]

I think Oleg has trained in judo. He's Russian after all, and judo is very popular there. Just ask Putin. ^_^

[kempobrad]

of course he has, i've heard him say it, he has 2 coaches in russia, a sambo coach, and a judo coach. but as judo is the technical basis for sambo anyway...my point was he's a pro fighter and has taught this technique. and like i said, an armbar is an armbar.

[kommisar]

Great, but my point was I'VE never seen this done.

[kempobrad]

great, but my point is i have..and i figured you'd probably take Olegs word for it.

[cimawr]

Komissar, I posted in reply to where you wrote: "I don't... see how these would hurt... I could be wrong, I suppose."

I don't know why YouTube didn't attribute it correctly, but there's no need for cursing and attitude. And you ARE wrong in thinking that the armlocks shown wouldn't hurt; as I said, if done correctly they're extremely effective.

[kommisar]

I hardly cursed or posed an attitude.... Lighten up.

I'm not saying these aren't effective; I just can't see how they are from this video. I don't see how the physics involved would hurt someone much. It just looks like he's pushing the forearm down rather than doing a proper americana, as that involves pinning the wrist to the ground. And I don't even have a clue as to how the arm he has trapped against his groin would get hurt.

[cimawr]

"I hardly cursed or posed an attitude.... Lighten up."

I make a civil comment, you reply with "What the hell are you babbling about?"... yes, you are "posing an attitude".

[cimawr]

Pinning the wrist to the ground would somewhat negate the effect of the technique; it is NOT a pinning technique, but an armbar. The effect is attained by torquing the arm against its natural range of movement, and it's *extremely* uncomfortable/painful - the uke's not tapping just for the heck of it! The tori's lower arm is confining the uke's upper arm, his upper arm is torquing the forearm back. very quick, very effective. I've taken out guys 50-80lbs heavier than me with this move.

[kingconanmanka]

Ude Garame is what its called not americanna not kimura not omaplata. All of those aforementioned techniques are just Ude Garame. Just because you lock the arm with you oppnents hand pointing towards his head or towards his hip or behind his back or using your leg instead of your arm doesn't mean you created a new move or need to give it a new name. Read the title it's called Ude Garame!

[irritatedpsycho]

that sounds like a good idea. i think i will.

[irritatedpsycho]

"I've honestly never come across these submissions in practice or on TV. I don't see how you get enough leverage against the joint for the shoulder lock and I don't see how there's any pressure on the chest."

way to condradict yourself there bud. ahahaha.

[kommisar]

Where was the contradiction, fool?

[irritatedpsycho]

first you said that you have never came across the americana and then told me you know what it feels like.

[kommisar]

Quote me where I said that, you stupid bitch, 'cause I never said such a thing.

[irritatedpsycho]

you were responding to chingonpker

[irritatedpsycho]

look at his face at 0:53. AHAHAHAHAHA.

[lallope]

excellent, I been playing judo for over 30 years,i love seeing technique being applied, knowledge come with time. to many try to rush into things, to many rely on Brut strength which is never suppose to be done in judo.

[VoistMagina1399]

nice 69

[depkev]

it doesn't reseamble so much to 69. But there is a technique very similar to 69 call kami shio gatame

[kommisar]

What the hell kind of submissions are these? I don't even see how these would hurt. The second one just looks like some sort of weak Americana (wouldn't make me tap doing it like that) but I don't even know what the hell the first one is. I could be wrong I suppose....

[2bit77]

it hurts becasue ur putting pressure on ur chest making it almost imposible to breathe...do u even do judo cuz if u did u would understand and the one in the red and white belt is like one of the best thats the top belt to get

[kommisar]

Not sure which submission you're referring to, but, no, I haven't done much pure judo but I do do MMA.

Yes, I'm aware that the striped white and red belt is indicative of a high rank. Not sure how high but one of the judo instructors I had had that belt and I thought I heard it mentioned that he was a 6th dan.

[chingonpker]

practicing mixed martial arts, you should be familiar with the submissions made on the vid.. cant understand why u dont see how it would hurt, i strongly agrre with 2bit(the preassure on the chest is unbearing) and he is a nidan, highest rank possible

[kommisar]

Sorry but I've honestly never come across these submissions in practice or on TV. I don't see how you get enough leverage against the joint for the shoulder lock and I don't see how there's any pressure on the chest. I only see that he's holding him down with his leg like you would in a kimura, but even a kimura is done with the person's wrist held against the ground.

Thanks for telling me his rank title though. I'll have to look into that.

[irritatedpsycho]

its an americana dumb ass. it hurts much worse than a kimura in my opinion. just because you watch UFC doesnt mean you know shit.

[kommisar]

I know what the fuck an americana is. Someone else was saying it was a kimura. Even still, I don't see how this "americana" will force someone to submit.

And explain how the hell an americana hurts worse than a kimura. They're both shoulder locks.

[irritatedpsycho]

a kimura forces it to move too much the right way and an americana forces it the wrong way. basic human anatomy my friend.

and i can obviously tell you dont have much experience in any form of grappling.

[lordtains]

His name is irritatedpsycho...it says enough about his character, no reason to respond to people like that.

Just for the record, Nidan, being the highest rank possible is incorrect. In Japanese, Ni is two and dan is (as you prob. know) the black belt level. A second degree black belt is by far the highest rank. His rank is a Shichidan, meaning 7th dan. Normally, the highest rank is the judan, 10th dan, but the highest in Judo is the 12th, which only Judo's creater ever got, after his death.

[lordtains]

in addition, the 12th dan is a white belt, being symbolic for the fact that one will be learning till the end of his life, and that even if you've learned and mastered everything, you still know nothing.

greets

[kommisar]

"A second degree black belt is by far the highest rank."

How is a 2nd dan the highest? That contradicts the rest of your post.

[lordtains]

Read that sentence again. "by far the highest rank", means that it is NOT the highest rank, and not even close.

There was no contradiction.

[kommisar]

"A second degree black belt is by far the highest rank."

No, you're not making sense. Your sentence states that a 2nd dan is "by far" the highest rank. "By far" doesn't mean "not". It means "by a considerable margin." For example, "It was by far the worst experience in my life," means it was the worst experience in the person's life and no other experiences even come close to how bad it was.

Go re-read what you wrote 'cause you're not getting something.

[cimawr]

Sorry, but you're incorrect about the pressure on the chest. What "hurts" is the pressure on the JOINTS of the arms... hence the term "armlock". The arms are being bent in a way they're not meant to go/

[2bit77]

yes but the pressure also lies on the chest and i guess i for got to put how the pressure is also on the arm...io figured i wont have to put thaa becuase it is the obv. pressure point in this hold down

[cimawr]

Erm... again, these aren't "hold downs", but arm locks; the entire point of the technique is the pressure on the arm joints. The aim is not to hold the opponent down in place, but to force him to give up.

And again, the uke's not tapping just for show watch the way he jerks in pain even though he's expecting the technique.

Tori is *starting* from a pin/holddown, and utilizing pinning techniques as a way of moving into the locks, but what's being shown here is NOT a "hold down:.

[MrJesus666]

ever seen a kimura?... i know kimura's work cause helio gracie had his arm broken by it. and all ude garama is a kimura with there leg over the other guys head.

[kommisar]

I practice MMA, so, yes, I definitely know what a kimura is.

You, however, apparently don't, unless you're mentioning it for no particular reason. There's no kimura here at all. A kimura is done with the wrist towards the hips, not the head. He's not even doing a real americana because americanas don't hurt when the arm's so close to the body as he's doing it here. This is why I'm confused as to where the submission pain is coming from.

[MrJesus666]

there is a kimura there, i do brazillian jiu jitsu and judo and judo does things ever to slightly differen't to bjj, see on the left of the lock that's a kimura he is just positioned differently and the other arm is hurting cause he is hyperextending it with his belly and elbow. if you train with anyone out side of your mma you should try it out, cause sometimes you can't appreciate a move unless you try it for your self.

[kommisar]

A KIMURA IS DONE WITH THE WRIST FACING THE HIPS, NOT THE HEAD. I said this before. Are you thick??? I see the wrist pointing towards the head. That's an americana!

[MrJesus666]

no need to get angry haha, but it works the same as a kimura that's what i ment to say. so that is where the pain is.

[chingonpker]

great explaination, thanks for leaving the comment helps mma peeps understand

[michaelosteen]

as an experienced wrestler and a novice in BJJ i do not see how the first position is supposed to hold the guy on bottom effectively in place. i see the first armlock when he rotates his hips; however, he could clearly avoid this by continuing to rotate and then walking over to his left. can anyone explain why this does not work? i asked both my grappling partner and my teacher and when we tried it i was easily able to escape the position.

[hYdratatiOn]

@chingonpker: nidan = second dan; this dude is a shichidan = seventh dan. It says so on the info. Also, the seventh dan isn't the highest. Kano himself told that in principle there shouldn't be a highest grade. And in any case, there have been many (about 20) 10th dan awarded to people worldwide.

[cimawr]

"@chingonpker: nidan = second dan; this dude is a shichidan = seventh dan" Yes, he is. John Anderson has been doing judo since the mid-1940's, and is one of only a handful to attain that rank from the Kodokan.

[cimawr]

You ARE wrong. Both techniques are traditional judo armlocks, and both are very effective if done correctly.

[kommisar]

Wrong about what? What the hell are you babbling about? I was asking what these submissions are and how they work.

[momojojo75]

You know these guys may be old but I have a feeling fucking with them would not be a very good idea.

[ishiam]

this is kinda scary

[MPA2000]

I added this to my favorites. I know these guys are old, but there have been some holes in my ground game that they have been filling. I will let you guys know if these moves work in Jiu Jitsu. It should since Judo originated from it.

[kenudomeltudo]

jiu jitsu originated from judo

[MPA2000]

What? Tell me you are kidding and just being a troll? Everyone knows Judo is derived from Jiu Jitsu.  Unless you are talking about BJJ, then you are right. Jiu Jitsu is the traditional art from Japan. BJJ is modified newanza Judo.

[kenudomeltudo]

bjj is in fact what i am talking about

im not being a troll im just saying

[MPA2000]

In that case you need to specify that next time, or other people will assume you are talking about traditional jiu jitsu, and beat you merciless on these comment boards.

[kenudomeltudo]

"ohh look at me my name is MPA2000 im a knowitall and i havent gotten laid since i dont know when"

[conceited66669]

uh oh he got you with the mature response! haha

[lordtains]

Jiu-jutsu was one of the arts of the samurai, designed to defend oneself when you had lost your weaponry on the battlefield.

It only had throws and wrestling techniques. From China, a Martial Art names Chin Na had great influence on masters of Jiu-Jutsu. Chin Na was a art with muscle grabs and arm-, wrist- and finger-locks. That is where all the locks in Jiu Jutsu came from.

finally Judo was created, and from Judo and Jiu-Jutsu: Aikido, Hapkido and Brazilian Jiu-Jutsu.

:)

[MPA2000]

Only a complete idiot thinks Jiu Jitsu was created from Judo. My god, what McDojo did you go to? HAW! HAW! HAW!!!

[lordtains]

you're talking to kenudomeltudo?

[cimawr]

The confusion is probably arising from the fact that many people think "jiu jitsu" means BJJ, which WAS created from Judo.

[MDakaDean]

look at it from 0:59 the guy had a weird look on a face...like he liked it...

[peacemaker281]

I love these guys! You know they have age but man they know their shit! Much respect to the elders.

[channelin]

experience is always the best.

[Marios2314]

i've learned too much from those guys....nc work !!! :P