@ConvertAid Point is about the contradictory nature of this alleged god they seem to believe in, which is either all powerful, or limited. If all powerful, no free will. If limited, then that is not the god christians/muslims worship. You have to choose one premise. Either all powerful or limited. Only with a limited god can free will have any meaning. Since god is all powerful according to them, their free will is just an illusion along with their delusion of believing in an imaginary god.
@sh00008 "Free will" is the wrong word to use. a better word would be "Choice".
when I or other religious folk say that God has given us "free will", we mistakenly use "Free will" as a synonym for "choice". We do not have free will, i cannot jump up 50 feet in the air right now if i wanted to. but i do have some limited choices. i can jump a foot off the ground right now. In Truth, Only God has free will, we do not. we have choices that come with consequences.
@ConvertAid The subject is about an imaginary contradictory concept you guys call "god." It doesn't exist not only according to scientific standards, it also cannot exist using logic. My point is, god is either all powerful or god is not all powerful. If all powerful, you don't have any choice in any decision you ever make. Everything is planned. If you can't go beyond god's given parameters, you aren't choosing anything. It is all predestined. Is your god all powerful? Does it know the future?
Funny that you come criticize me when you have videos like this on your page. I have done videos on related topics that are many orders of magnitude better than this crap. Your logic and argumentation are mostly incoherent. You are also, for some reason, positing an all powerful god which is logically impossible. So of course he can't grant free will, since a god with those characteristics couldn't exist in the first place.
@sonnygll Yes that is my point. An all powerful can't exist. Also, I don't disagree that you are more knowledgeable than me. I just think you over analyze to a point where you forget which side you are on. Maybe you want to be impartial. But the DF drama is clear for most people. He misunderstood, he did not apologize to TF. He insincerely apologized to his own fan base. That is my beef with him. Oh and the his obsessive censorship.
That's just it, there aren't any sides. There is no "our side" and "their side". You have to take people as they come. Or maybe a specific extreme subset of a group. Like fundies for example. Although I do consider anything that does not logically follow as a sort of "opposition", or at least something to be countered.
You must analyze everything like that. That is the basis of skepticism. Skepticism is a must for rationalism and just knowing reality in general.
Still trying to get out of your mistake. I never said an apple and you are saying that I have. Thus you are a liar. You whole freedom premise fails big time. Let me spoon feed it to you. If I was in an airplane and could see you driving on a twisted road and what was ahead of you. Would you still have the freedom to crash into the run away truck around the corner? Answer me Mr. Sherlock.
THIS VIDEO IS A CONTRADICTION MY FRIEND, SEE THE FACT IS THIS. OUR FREEDOM OF CHOICE IS BULLSHIT BECAUSE WE WERE GIVEN THE FREEDOM OF CHOICE WITH THERE TO BE CONSEQUENCES, THERE FOR THE FREEDOM OF CHOICE IS A TEST OF GOD, BUT WHY BE TESTED, DO WE HAVE THE CHOICE TO NOT BE TESTED, ARE WE OF A CERTAIN POWER WHERE IF NOT TESTED WE ARE OF THREAT TO GOD OR CREATOR, IF THAT IS THE CASE, IS THOU NON TESTED BY CHOICE... ANSWER DEATH. THE WORLD IS CRAZY, TO MANY MINDS SPEAK TO MANY DIFFERENT TRUTHS.
You are completely right. Don't mind those religious bastards, treat them as God explained in the bible, as psychopaths. Religious people will always try to attack you one way or another when they don't have any arguments to come up with. Age, Skin color, Hair color, Eye color, they will pick anything to use against you.
@sh00008 - If God wanted people to be robots, genius..then why did he give them the choice to eat from it or not? He said they should not eat off the fruit..right? But he didn't make them robots or else they would've never been able to eat from the tree of good and evil because they would've been programmed so that they wouldn't even think about it. You're so wrong..I only had to listen to this religio-phobe nonsense.
sh - You're a musguided idiot. You're probably 19 yet you think you know what you're talking about. Get a few more years under your belt and then tell us what you think. Because right now, you're just coming off as stupid.
@NoGuff lol what is your argument against my video? none? i can call u an idiot every video u post which says nothing about what i have against u. make your case against my video retard....
Like what you say ,but the jerky video makes it hard to get through. I often use these same arguments. Here's one for you, god created light, day 2, but didn't create the stars until day 4. oooops. God had to rest on the last day, you know how gods wear out and such. Peace brother.
I HOPE YU GO 2 FUCKEN HEll> YOU LiL NASTY ASS DiCKWAD. TU ERES UN PINCHE PENDEJO!!!! Would you rather believe & find out that God ISnt real or not believe and find outt that he is?
I hope you feel like SHIT when you die.
YOu already LOOK like shit, (literally) i just hope yu start feeling like shit.
And I wouldnt be saying things like this normally, because God could get mad at me..but Jesus forgives me for everything i do wrong. I hope yu go to hell. Have a nice life faggggot XOXO
lol, damn man, so many ppl are so ignorant. instead of disagreeing with u in a proper way, they resort to cursing and disrespect. but my friend, you are wrong, although God is all knowing, atoms and molecules do move without His consent. that is the thing about God, he is all knowing and powerful but he still gives us the freedom of choice. during the time of Jesus, He knew Judas would betray him and that he would die, yet nothing was done to prevent this, because of choice.
You fuckn little brown bastard ! .. i swear to you we are gonna kick the shit out of the first indian we see on friday night and im going to imagine its you.You filthy brown ugly scum ! and show me respect when you chat to me.. you are viewd as brown scum on this earth..we are the superior race.
Dude, this kid might be a fucking douche, but atleast he in't so stupid as to believe your skin color makes you better than the next man/woman. You're just white trailer trash buddy..that's all you are.
The contradiction doesn't lie between God and freedom. It's between the idea of God and the idea of this world, as you see it. I cite A Course In Miracles:
"If this were the real world, God would be cruel. For no Father could subject His children to this as the price of salvation and be loving. Love does not kill to save. If it did, attack would be salvation, and this is the ego's interpretation, not God's. Only the world of guilt could demand this, for only the guilty could conceive of it."
The idea "sin" is a funny one. The problem is a mistranslation of the original word for sin. Error would better. The idea says that the mind perceived itself no longer as one, but fractured into many pieces. To believe this meant to lose the knowledge of Self. "Adam's "sin" could have touched no one, had he not believed it was the Father Who drove him out of paradise. For in that belief the knowledge of the Father was lost, since only those who do not understand Him could believe it."
The freedom was Adam and Eve were in Eden and were given wisdom and knowledge (not present in Bible but in Quran) of what was right and what was wrong and when they (not only Eve as Bible says) derailed from the instructions as to forbiddance as they both were too novice to understand the depth of the issues - the sin was committed. But Quran does not say this is eternal sin as St. Paul (not Christ) says it is.
freedom only exists without god because no one can give u freedom , no one owns ur freedom, not even god. But I shouldn't argue much on this because the whole story of adam and eve are mere fairy tales...its too sad that intelligent people in our modern world still holds on to such nonsensical tales. The real story of our origin lies on the beauty of evolution. if u think there was 2 people first then, 2 more people and then 2 more...then all i have to say is,"u are missing out on the truth."
A conscience decision was made to disobey God. You are responsible for your own actions and God doesnt control you. God didnt create religion, religion is man made.
Is scripture inspired by God? "all scripture is given by inspiration of God." 2 Timothy 3:16 compared to: "But I speak this by permission and not by commandment." 1 Corinthians 7:6 "But to the rest speak I, not the Lord." 1 Corinthians 7:12 "That which I speak, I speak it not after the Lord" 2 Corinthians
I think the idea of an omnipresent god makes them feel secure. It is the ultimate insecurity. What if I don't make god happy? What will he do with me? Does he approve of my actions?
lol ya...religions preach.....man is a child..man is weak...man is a sinner...man is stained....overall, an individual is just a evil paranoid child under god......u will find more belittling adjectives in the holy books than in the Webster's dictionary....
Good video. Although were not really free so you might want to look into determinism. You should check out GoGreen18. She makes a lot of great videos on these types of subjects. But yes the idea of a God doesn't make a lot of since. You bring up a lot of good points.
I concur. And in the comments on my channel I call the religious automatons. I say that because they are very much like robots. They are brainwashed machines unable to think for themselves blindly doing what they're told. So it seems very odd that you left a comment accusing me of being a xtian. WTF is that?
Consequences follow choices that you make.
if i shoot myself in the foot, should i complain to God, that "You made me feel pain"?
ConvertAid 3 months ago
@ConvertAid Point is about the contradictory nature of this alleged god they seem to believe in, which is either all powerful, or limited. If all powerful, no free will. If limited, then that is not the god christians/muslims worship. You have to choose one premise. Either all powerful or limited. Only with a limited god can free will have any meaning. Since god is all powerful according to them, their free will is just an illusion along with their delusion of believing in an imaginary god.
sh00008 3 months ago
@sh00008 "Free will" is the wrong word to use. a better word would be "Choice".
when I or other religious folk say that God has given us "free will", we mistakenly use "Free will" as a synonym for "choice". We do not have free will, i cannot jump up 50 feet in the air right now if i wanted to. but i do have some limited choices. i can jump a foot off the ground right now. In Truth, Only God has free will, we do not. we have choices that come with consequences.
ConvertAid 3 months ago
@ConvertAid The subject is about an imaginary contradictory concept you guys call "god." It doesn't exist not only according to scientific standards, it also cannot exist using logic. My point is, god is either all powerful or god is not all powerful. If all powerful, you don't have any choice in any decision you ever make. Everything is planned. If you can't go beyond god's given parameters, you aren't choosing anything. It is all predestined. Is your god all powerful? Does it know the future?
sh00008 3 months ago
@sh00008
"This sentence is a lie."
is the above sentence true or false?
ConvertAid 3 months ago
Funny that you come criticize me when you have videos like this on your page. I have done videos on related topics that are many orders of magnitude better than this crap. Your logic and argumentation are mostly incoherent. You are also, for some reason, positing an all powerful god which is logically impossible. So of course he can't grant free will, since a god with those characteristics couldn't exist in the first place.
sonnygll 4 months ago
@sonnygll Yes that is my point. An all powerful can't exist. Also, I don't disagree that you are more knowledgeable than me. I just think you over analyze to a point where you forget which side you are on. Maybe you want to be impartial. But the DF drama is clear for most people. He misunderstood, he did not apologize to TF. He insincerely apologized to his own fan base. That is my beef with him. Oh and the his obsessive censorship.
sh00008 4 months ago
@sh00008
That's just it, there aren't any sides. There is no "our side" and "their side". You have to take people as they come. Or maybe a specific extreme subset of a group. Like fundies for example. Although I do consider anything that does not logically follow as a sort of "opposition", or at least something to be countered.
You must analyze everything like that. That is the basis of skepticism. Skepticism is a must for rationalism and just knowing reality in general.
sonnygll 4 months ago
Fucking faggot.
hassmann2000 5 months ago
Is this a joke?
Iisdabest889 1 year ago
Still trying to get out of your mistake. I never said an apple and you are saying that I have. Thus you are a liar. You whole freedom premise fails big time. Let me spoon feed it to you. If I was in an airplane and could see you driving on a twisted road and what was ahead of you. Would you still have the freedom to crash into the run away truck around the corner? Answer me Mr. Sherlock.
RepresentingTruth 1 year ago
why are a bunch of idiots here making racist slurs?
Please sh0008 do not mind the idiots with their hatred and vile comments.
Keep it up =)
TXHalabi 1 year ago
THIS VIDEO IS A CONTRADICTION MY FRIEND, SEE THE FACT IS THIS. OUR FREEDOM OF CHOICE IS BULLSHIT BECAUSE WE WERE GIVEN THE FREEDOM OF CHOICE WITH THERE TO BE CONSEQUENCES, THERE FOR THE FREEDOM OF CHOICE IS A TEST OF GOD, BUT WHY BE TESTED, DO WE HAVE THE CHOICE TO NOT BE TESTED, ARE WE OF A CERTAIN POWER WHERE IF NOT TESTED WE ARE OF THREAT TO GOD OR CREATOR, IF THAT IS THE CASE, IS THOU NON TESTED BY CHOICE... ANSWER DEATH. THE WORLD IS CRAZY, TO MANY MINDS SPEAK TO MANY DIFFERENT TRUTHS.
TheDharmaSpecialist 1 year ago
@TheDharmaSpecialist yes that is what i was trying to express in my video lol...
sh00008 1 year ago
You are completely right. Don't mind those religious bastards, treat them as God explained in the bible, as psychopaths. Religious people will always try to attack you one way or another when they don't have any arguments to come up with. Age, Skin color, Hair color, Eye color, they will pick anything to use against you.
Watchdawg 1 year ago
@sh00008 - If God wanted people to be robots, genius..then why did he give them the choice to eat from it or not? He said they should not eat off the fruit..right? But he didn't make them robots or else they would've never been able to eat from the tree of good and evil because they would've been programmed so that they wouldn't even think about it. You're so wrong..I only had to listen to this religio-phobe nonsense.
gworksnell 1 year ago
Can I has slurpee?
gworksnell 1 year ago
sh - You're a musguided idiot. You're probably 19 yet you think you know what you're talking about. Get a few more years under your belt and then tell us what you think. Because right now, you're just coming off as stupid.
NoGuff 1 year ago
@NoGuff lol what is your argument against my video? none? i can call u an idiot every video u post which says nothing about what i have against u. make your case against my video retard....
sh00008 1 year ago
Like what you say ,but the jerky video makes it hard to get through. I often use these same arguments. Here's one for you, god created light, day 2, but didn't create the stars until day 4. oooops. God had to rest on the last day, you know how gods wear out and such. Peace brother.
fakeintelllecshual 1 year ago
Hey girlfriend.
MegaNiggles 1 year ago
interesting thoughts ... hopefully we get to see some new videos soon! ;o)
PhilosopherFresh 2 years ago
oh yeauh, remember... you are a nasty ass piece of shit
i already told you that..but i thnk it should b in the back of yur mind at all times.
x0kaykay0x 2 years ago
I HOPE YU GO 2 FUCKEN HEll> YOU LiL NASTY ASS DiCKWAD. TU ERES UN PINCHE PENDEJO!!!! Would you rather believe & find out that God ISnt real or not believe and find outt that he is?
I hope you feel like SHIT when you die.
YOu already LOOK like shit, (literally) i just hope yu start feeling like shit.
And I wouldnt be saying things like this normally, because God could get mad at me..but Jesus forgives me for everything i do wrong. I hope yu go to hell. Have a nice life faggggot XOXO
x0kaykay0x 2 years ago
Namaste
ReyesRobby 2 years ago
lol, damn man, so many ppl are so ignorant. instead of disagreeing with u in a proper way, they resort to cursing and disrespect. but my friend, you are wrong, although God is all knowing, atoms and molecules do move without His consent. that is the thing about God, he is all knowing and powerful but he still gives us the freedom of choice. during the time of Jesus, He knew Judas would betray him and that he would die, yet nothing was done to prevent this, because of choice.
ShottaKuba 2 years ago
Sorry you are getting some nasty comments.
DiverforPort 2 years ago
WHO the fuck are you suppose to be ? talking outa your ass. go get the fuck of this website curry munching flithy pig
fuckromania1 2 years ago
you fucken pig indian monkey.. stop talking shit , you come from a shit scum race of animals.. nobody will take you serious so fuck off
plaguedmann 2 years ago
You fuckn little brown bastard ! .. i swear to you we are gonna kick the shit out of the first indian we see on friday night and im going to imagine its you.You filthy brown ugly scum ! and show me respect when you chat to me.. you are viewd as brown scum on this earth..we are the superior race.
rugruggurgurrugrug 2 years ago
@rugruggurgurrugrug
Dude, this kid might be a fucking douche, but atleast he in't so stupid as to believe your skin color makes you better than the next man/woman. You're just white trailer trash buddy..that's all you are.
gworksnell 1 year ago
You have such a disgusting head ..makes a person want to vomit !
rugruggurgurrugrug 2 years ago 2
feel sorry for the monster that gave u birth
sh00008 2 years ago
learn some respect little brown basstarrdd..you have no right to speak to me as you are the filthy race !
rugruggurgurrugrug 2 years ago 2
feel sorry for the monster that gave u birth
sh00008 2 years ago
get a hair cut ..learn how to speak ! you fuckn smelly indian cunt !
rugruggurgurrugrug 2 years ago
feel sorry for the monster that gave u birth
sh00008 2 years ago
believe in God
i think this true
1itawyfalcon 2 years ago
The contradiction doesn't lie between God and freedom. It's between the idea of God and the idea of this world, as you see it. I cite A Course In Miracles:
"If this were the real world, God would be cruel. For no Father could subject His children to this as the price of salvation and be loving. Love does not kill to save. If it did, attack would be salvation, and this is the ego's interpretation, not God's. Only the world of guilt could demand this, for only the guilty could conceive of it."
who000are000you 2 years ago
The idea "sin" is a funny one. The problem is a mistranslation of the original word for sin. Error would better. The idea says that the mind perceived itself no longer as one, but fractured into many pieces. To believe this meant to lose the knowledge of Self. "Adam's "sin" could have touched no one, had he not believed it was the Father Who drove him out of paradise. For in that belief the knowledge of the Father was lost, since only those who do not understand Him could believe it."
who000are000you 2 years ago
The freedom was Adam and Eve were in Eden and were given wisdom and knowledge (not present in Bible but in Quran) of what was right and what was wrong and when they (not only Eve as Bible says) derailed from the instructions as to forbiddance as they both were too novice to understand the depth of the issues - the sin was committed. But Quran does not say this is eternal sin as St. Paul (not Christ) says it is.
jajaborduniyay 2 years ago
freedom only exists without god because no one can give u freedom , no one owns ur freedom, not even god. But I shouldn't argue much on this because the whole story of adam and eve are mere fairy tales...its too sad that intelligent people in our modern world still holds on to such nonsensical tales. The real story of our origin lies on the beauty of evolution. if u think there was 2 people first then, 2 more people and then 2 more...then all i have to say is,"u are missing out on the truth."
sh00008 2 years ago
This is Biblical not Quranic.
jajaborduniyay 2 years ago
intersting impressions about freedom
TheNarniaLampPost 3 years ago
A conscience decision was made to disobey God. You are responsible for your own actions and God doesnt control you. God didnt create religion, religion is man made.
minesapint123 3 years ago
Is scripture inspired by God? "all scripture is given by inspiration of God." 2 Timothy 3:16 compared to: "But I speak this by permission and not by commandment." 1 Corinthians 7:6 "But to the rest speak I, not the Lord." 1 Corinthians 7:12 "That which I speak, I speak it not after the Lord" 2 Corinthians
worldwidevideos123 3 years ago
You make a very good point. (:
I think the idea of an omnipresent god makes them feel secure. It is the ultimate insecurity. What if I don't make god happy? What will he do with me? Does he approve of my actions?
KnittyGrittyNatch 3 years ago
lol ya...religions preach.....man is a child..man is weak...man is a sinner...man is stained....overall, an individual is just a evil paranoid child under god......u will find more belittling adjectives in the holy books than in the Webster's dictionary....
sh00008 3 years ago
Good video. Although were not really free so you might want to look into determinism. You should check out GoGreen18. She makes a lot of great videos on these types of subjects. But yes the idea of a God doesn't make a lot of since. You bring up a lot of good points.
DragonMage 3 years ago
cool thanks for the comment.....i will check green out....
sh00008 3 years ago
Wonderfully thought/spoken. Thank you.
HallowCreek 3 years ago
I concur. And in the comments on my channel I call the religious automatons. I say that because they are very much like robots. They are brainwashed machines unable to think for themselves blindly doing what they're told. So it seems very odd that you left a comment accusing me of being a xtian. WTF is that?
TheStrangeRanger 3 years ago