....and who makes every F1 engine? Anyone, anyone, anyone? Yep, you guessed it, brand h. So if they want clean and safe, 2 strokes were safer and just as clean ( or as dirty ) than their 4 stroke GP bikes. And now, with the 600's replacing the 250 2 strokes and 250 4 strokes replacing the 125 2 strokes, (all with brand h engines, by the way) won't racing be even more fun and exciting? Yeah, as exciting as eating dirt. BTW, who left them in charge? Why do they get to decide what we race and ride?
PART 2, the green thing is another asinine pretense that brand h is propagating. They say 2 strokes are too dirty. First, there is NO emissions testing in closed course racing, never has been, I doubt it ever will be. It won't for at least 12 years and by then, DI 2 strokes will be as clean as any 4 stroke. Proof?, just look at the snowmobile and outboard industry. Anyway, back to brand h's clean idea, do you know that 1 week of F1 racing pollutes more than an entire 2 stroke MX season ever did?
@stereobites36, you are da man. We need way more guys like you. Since changing to 4 strokes, fan base attendence has dropped off almost 30% and the racing has become super boring!! Another point is something never talked about, brand h wanted 4 strokes on the basis of safety. They said the 2 strokes were not safe but, in 30 years of 2 strokes-only 1 racer died. In 10 years of 4 stroke GP bikes, 3 racers died and all were on brand h bikes. How safe is that? Then there's the "green" thing.....
Wish i was born in the 70's or 80's. Looked thru my dad's Suzuki RG400. a freakin' 2 stroke machine. Now is all bullshit 4 stroke. Eg, Yamaha R125. Nice looking bike. Shitty performance. Sad to be born in the 90's.
0:20 That bike is SEX!!!! The best looking ever? The Rothmans fag packet colours were nice but that is the ultimate NSR500 livery IMO. I feel like lighting up now. Oh wait, I don't smoke lol :]
Look at the shitty 4stroke at(O.16) then they bring out the NSR! theres no comparison! The NSR would leave that 4 stroke standing and its only half the capacity! What would i give to own that NSR! V4 2 STROKES RULE!!
@tuftymitchell But think about it! the 4 strokes had double the capacity and more torque,so where better out of the corners and easier to ride! but the 2 stroke was lighter and more powerful but needed a lot more skill as the 2stroke engine picked up revs much quicker,and to control highsides ! It was because of the woosey euro emision laws,that the GP bikes where changed to 4strokes!
@Shincism 2002 was the year that 4strokes were allowed to race. They kept some two stroke bikes at the races for financial purposes (they were much more cheaper)..
we cant compare bananas with apples the 2 strokes were undriveable beasts that is why honda made the big bang engine with less hp in order to make them more rideable . the 4 strokes from its nature its a slow engine so they tried to make them fast using 5 culinders and 1000cc because they would never had problems with the riding .
most GP riders today who rode the 2 stroke 500cc said that they were and still are the most ferocious of all bikes. and i want an NSR 500. but they cost around $40,000 each no cuz they are soo rare and special. :(
@persianspider u nmean screw 4 strokes ducati is far from being the fastest 4 stroke bike flat 4 jap bike destroy all ducatis. ducatis got the looks but not the performance.
@gsxrful not the performance??? 347,4 km/h Loris Capirossi with the first Ducati in MotoGP. You did not ever heard about Mr. Giacomo Agostini? 15 times world champion. shhhhhhhhht. please!
@ColliGbr talking about production bike jerks off i owned a ducati 1198s something punks like you only dream off and it was nothing compared to me busa for example . I unlike you go out and ride those bitches u go and drool all day over bikes on YT and TV. now u sHHHHHT and go shove ur macaroni n cheese in ur face and hop off my testicules.
@kiaganga yo mama is too fat when shit ya in the toiet seat she thought u was shit and left u in the hole no wonder u are a piece of shit go watch 4 stroke moto cross u lowlife lowclass tasteless shitface the only thing i will load for losers like u to drool on is a a pair of AK's to rip ur ugly heads off ur shoulds u worthless scum.
@ColliGbr not envious just speaking from actually owning and riding all them bitches unlike u faggot just talking shit. but shitalians obviously dislike truth and facts and like to live on their cloud the world has evolved and u are still living in the roman era .
@persianspider Shut up, Ducati is an handmade motorbike, hondas can be good, but they are produced in stock, those bikes don't have a soul, la rossa do.
@DeanG1993 2t MX bike ridden flat out will last 60+ hours. A 4t MX bike ridden flat out will last 30 hours. Then when a 4-stroke blows it costs 10 times what a 2-stroke does.
@DerkaDerkaDerka100 Nope. Look at MX racing. 2-strokes out live 4-strokes 2 to 1. Look at outboard boat engines. No service for 300 hours. They last over 6000 hours.
It all depends on how you build them too. When going racing, a 2-stroke will always outlive a 4-stroke because there is less internal stress and with DI/OI they have as good of lubrication.
Obviously in low tune 4-strokes can last a long time: cars and road bikes for example.
@DeanG1993 Direct injection 2 Strokes creates a 4-stroke power band.For most people that is better. But like I many people like that hit. With Direction injection you can have different power curves. It is possible to make a power band that is narrower…than a current carborator2-stroke. Aprilia made a direct injection RS250 and did this. They had easy power curves like a 4 stroke, aggressive curves, and curves that emulated carb 2-strokes with that very hard hit harder hitting than today’s
@DeanG1993 It will also have low end torque like the 4 strokes and it will use pretty much no oil and will have more torque and their will be no smoke
Please correct me if I am wrong but I believe also one of the reasons 2strokes were phased out is it was hard to get the power to the ground. 4strokes were more trackable, which overall made them faster around the track.
@zonda93 That is wrong. The 4-stroke TRAIL bikes were very reliable (see Honda XR). But as far as MX bikes are concerned a 2-stroke has twice the engine life between top ends, and their major failures are much less costly. 2-stroke trail bikes have become pretty bullet proof.
nada como el sonido de un motor 2 ciclos, bien montado, "tuneadito" , ese sonido entrecordado, la verdad que no es para mucha gente, solo algunos sabemos lo que hay dentro.
@wiktorkramer They may sound like scooters but until you ride one you really can't say much. That 2 stroke engine is doing close to what years of developing 4 stroke technology does in 1000cc. If you think your 4 strokes are so bad ass, imagine a 1000cc 2 stroke. Would rip your skin of your bones.
@wiktorkramer Everything you just said was based off of personal opinion. Honestly I like the 2t sound over the 4t sound of a street bike. And also the looks, you should look a bit more into this bikes videos, there's some that look much better than most 4t bikes.
...have to agree with the last comment... take a modern 600 or 750 sports bike and stick a good 500cc 2 stroke in them and they'd destroy the original bike. seen it done with a mid eighties RD500 lump in a 2004 r6 frame. Amazing machine, just a little bit lairy for the average Joe though :0$
it was because they put all there time and effort into the 4 strokes for a couple years before they brought them to the track against the 2 strokes and stopped putting money and innovative parts into 2 strokes other than suspension,all because emissions and no one had the balls to ride them to the limit ,so basically they were riding 2 strokes from the 90s against 4 strokes from 00s,which i myself and a lot of other riders would still rather see the 2 strokes out there on the street and track
Theres a reason why No one makes or races two strokes anymore. They are not as good as four stroke, sorry to burst all your bubbles and dreamworlds. In the first every GP race with four stroke bikes, the 2 strokes roared off the line, got to the first corner..... and then the four strokes danced by and that was that. And this was at a time before rider aids and traction control. So everyone talking about two strokes being better should sod off
man these 2-strokes are way more cool than th current 4-strokes. i remember watching Kev n the lot race in Shah Alam, they'd blast past the start finish in a BLINK! and they were LOUD! man i miss'em. then i watched the Rossi/Stoner generation in Sepang. not bad but.. yaaaaawwwwnn. screw "being green!" we've messed up our planet with with oil spills, industrial pollution alrdy! sometimes changes make a sport boring. soon the 125s 2-strokes will be phased out so lets enjoy'em while we still can.
@smoceskreen Yeah, Honda see's no profit in 125's anymore. MOTOGP is, however, going to start a MOTO3 class, 4 stroke 250's.. I wonder if they will all use spec Honda engines, like MOTO2 does. That kind of sucks.
I love everything about 2 strokes: the smell, the sounds, the power delivery. It took a man to ride a 2T but they went away for a reason. Moto Gp is the pinnacle of road racing. They wouldn't have switched if the four-strokes weren't better bikes. Two strokes have always been super finicky. If all the stars aren't aligned just right, they don't run right. I also think that the manufacturers pushed four stroke R&D more so than 2 stroke around the turn of the millennium and that's the cause.
Honda also blame for the end of 2Q, 2T street their machines could not such good results in the trade as the other two Yamaha and Suzuki, but the world is realizing that a 2T engine can emit less CO2 than a 4T, be more efficient and have less manufacturing cost, and replacement parts. Honda fuck it, we need to "yell" for the return of 2T.
I blame Honda for the loss of these amazing machines. If my memory serves me well, it was HRC that stopped developing the 500 two stroke first. Suzuki, Yamaha and Kawasaki quickly followed suit.I think it may have had something to do with not being able to market these machines in the USA? Not that the USA was such an enormous market given that two strokes we being sold legally in Canada, Japan , Europe.....I suspect another reason the big 4 changed to 4 stroke, a lot more $ for parts/repairs???
Hey 2 strokers, everyone deserves a shirt, go to our site, order 2 and we'll give you a 3rd for free, through december 2010. And, please support this once mighty 2 stroke power plant on every available front. With us and anyone who's willing to fight for them, support factories like KTM, Gas Gas, TM, Maico, Husaberg, Husqvarna and others. The big 4's money keeps these litle guys down, but we can win and have both types for all, not just one droning heavy one for some!!!
I guess the reason they practically banned the 2-strokes from racing is cuz they couldn't afford research they couldn't put on the streets and they already invested tons of money in 4 stroke development so they didn't wanna lose that to 2strokes.
the argument they always used was emissions, but if you have direct injected 2strokes and 20years of development or so im sure they could beat the 4 strokes even in that degree...why have 2 unnecessary energy wasting strokes when you can have 2instead
Hey all you 4 stroke guys, read PROFESSORIGOR's comments, he is 100% right on. It took 1000cc 4 strokes that were allowed up to 6 cyl bikes to compete with 2 strokes that could not be any bigger than 500cc and only a max of 4 cyl's. The strokers still crushed the overweight diesels, so the big 4 had the strokers banned. Does this sound like a superior engine to anyone? What can us stroker fans do to fight this unfairness? Buy strokers, ride/race them, support them and support co's like ours.
@ ProfessorIgor: 4t power delivery was much better, hence the whole grid going to 4t bikes in 2002. Even the mighty 'big bang' NSR500 didn't stand a chance against the 990cc 4t's. Now they're going back to 1000cc from 800cc, all the riders can't wait. Neither can I.
Two strokes are very fun to ride though, and very easy to work on. I had an Aprilia RS125 as my first bike, shouldn't have sold it. I'm now after an RGV250 haha.
@boingkster I just re-read this... look what you posted.. the 500cc 2 strokes didn't stand a chance against the 990cc 4t's... 500cc vs. 990cc.. hmmmm.. 4 strokes are superior ??
@ProfessorIgor Two strokes were phased out as they did not reflect what the average motorcyclist was riding, nor the direction the motorcycle industry was taking with new R&D and production. Four strokes may not be capable of producing as much power per unit of displacement, but they are generally a lot more reliable when producing that power. Neither is superior, but both are different.
@boingkster who cares ?? That's what Superbikes are supposed to be. This is GRAN PRIX, it's not supposed to be about you and me. Formula 1 isn't.. NASCAR for sure isn't ! It's about RACING, entertainment !!
@ProfessorIgor Superbikes are production-based bikes, yes, but part of what MotoGP is about is developing cutting-edge technology that filters down to production bikes that you and me can buy. And look whats happened since 2003 - we now have bikes with fuel injection, ABS, traction control, switchable enging mapping and enormous power outputs in very refined chassis. Many of these developments are a direct result of developments made through racing.
@boingkster Now what you were saying to ProfessorIgor about MotoGP. 4-strokes have gained a lot from GP. Imagine where 2-strokes would be today. Just DI alone. Maybe Boysen's exhaust valve would have been developed(eliminates the need for large, heavy expansion chambers). I mean, TSS already has a 485cc twin with 115rwhp(130bhp) and 60lb-ft! And this is with very old tech based on the 1980s Yamahas. Suter has a 500cc V4 making 200rwhp that weighs 275lbs.
@TheOfficialKC Yes, I heartily acknowledge that but the fact remains that they are generally fragile when tuned for high-performance. My Aprilia was a 30hp 125cc single and required 8,000~10,000km topend replacements. This is not the sort of thing the average consumer wants, but is of course acceptable for race-oriented machines. I'm not saying hi-performance two-strokes aren't awesome, but really they're not great for everyday 'start-up-and-go-to-work' use.
@boingkster When tuned for high performance 4-strokes like to blow up. That is exactly what happened in MX. They designed 4-strkoes to be light and powerful(yet still heavier and less powerful than 2-strokes) and they have big reliability problems.
The whole point of my comments is DIRECT INJECTION. Your old 125 is carbureted. DI 2-strokes last WAY longer than carb ones. They get oiled better than a 4-stroke.
@boingkster Di means long service life, no more mixing oil/gas, no needing to change your oil, no valve adjustment, lots of power, broad powerband, low weight, and good gas mileage. All of the advantages of a 2-stroke and all the advantages of a 4-stroke rolled into one.
@boingkster Direct injection 2 Strokes creates a 4-stroke power band.For most people that is better. But like I many people like that hit. With Direction injection you can have different power curves. It is possible to make a power band that is narrower…than a current carborator2-stroke. Aprilia made a direct injection RS250 and did this. They had easy power curves like a 4 stroke, aggressive curves, and curves that emulated carb 2-strokes with that very hard hit harder hitting than today’s
@2StrokeRacing2 Yes, direct injection engines are capable of doing some impressive things but not exactly what you're talking about. A two-strokes 'hard hit' at the high rpm ranges is given by sonic shockwaves from the exhaust cramming fuel/air mix that has bypassed the combustion chamber on the inlet/exhaust stroke *back into* the combustion chamber, effectively turbocharging the engine. This is why sport/race two-strokes have specially shaped exhausts.
@boingkster You are confused. First, the pipe does give some of the peakyness of the 2-stroke. But the main problem is the carburetor. DI 2-strokes have already proven to fix this. Second, you can still have a tuned pipe on a DI 2-stroke. Look at the Ski-Doo E-Tec. They have tuned pipes. You do not lose the power adding effect of tuned pipes with DI. The only thing DI changes is the air/fuel ratio. And DI allows higher compression which gives more power.
@TheOfficialKC That is partially true. Another thing which gives power throughout the range - which is I believe what we are talking about now - is a powervalve system. This helps close off the exhaust port at low rpms so you gain midrange torque. It opens again at high rpms so you are able to get that power surge that strokers are famous for. The carburettor has little to do with it, it is the engine systems that are the cause of two strokes power delivery. EFI would help but its not a 100% fix
@boingkster Correct. Powervalves, pipes, porting, bore, stroke, fuel management, etc all contribute to how a 2-stroke's (and 4-stroke's) powerband is. So you can't narrow it down to one thing. But converting to DI for 2-strokes will make a big change. The biggest benefit to DI is it will significantly bring up the bottom end and overrev of a 2-stroke without hurting the peak power.
@boingkster Because the engine fires twice as often as a four stroke, that, and the higher compression rates are the main reasons why two strokes are per cc more powerful, also exactly why they are less reliable and noisier!!
@ ProfessorIgor: 4t power delivery was much better, hence the whole grid going to 4t bikes in 2002. Even the mighty 'big bang' NSR500 didn't stand a chance against the 990cc 4t's. Now they're going back to 1000cc from 800cc, all the riders can't wait. Neither can I.
there is no other bike i think of that i want to have as bad as an nsr500 2 stroke i had them all from from ducatis to yamahas. these babies are going for $80,000 if ever found they never never offered for sale for the public until recently.
THIS is a RACE bike... not some goddammned 2 wheeled computer like we have in GP now..... take a 500cc 2 stroke and tune it, with TODAY'S tires and race it against a 1000cc four stroke, shitcan ALL traction control and I guarantee you that the 500 is going to win. By the end of their tenure, the 500's were making 200-210hp and they only weigh 286lbs !!!! The 500's were EVIL and only a handful of men could ride them to their absolute limits. THAT is what GP is supposed to be !!!!
You're still off by a mile if you think this would beat a modern GP bike. Chassis technology, suspension development, brake materials, and enhanced engine torque curves nowadays are more important overall than power-to-weight ratio. Do you know what you're saying when you claim these idiotic, fanatical, ass backward things? Nostalgia ain't gonna give you reason, it'll only make you miss the old days. You're probably 60 and living off the state if you think like this.
If you're going to argue, do it with facts. From what I see, you know little and talk too much. Why don't we compare lap times huh? Let's see which bikes make the best lap times.
RC211V vs NSR500
1 : 0 for the RC211V! EPIC V5 SOUND! 4Stroke 4 teh win!!!
cyclecrafttom 6 days ago
Push to start the 2 stroker ..i know all about it with my nsr 80
im9000 1 week ago
....and who makes every F1 engine? Anyone, anyone, anyone? Yep, you guessed it, brand h. So if they want clean and safe, 2 strokes were safer and just as clean ( or as dirty ) than their 4 stroke GP bikes. And now, with the 600's replacing the 250 2 strokes and 250 4 strokes replacing the 125 2 strokes, (all with brand h engines, by the way) won't racing be even more fun and exciting? Yeah, as exciting as eating dirt. BTW, who left them in charge? Why do they get to decide what we race and ride?
Revanche2strokes 1 week ago
PART 2, the green thing is another asinine pretense that brand h is propagating. They say 2 strokes are too dirty. First, there is NO emissions testing in closed course racing, never has been, I doubt it ever will be. It won't for at least 12 years and by then, DI 2 strokes will be as clean as any 4 stroke. Proof?, just look at the snowmobile and outboard industry. Anyway, back to brand h's clean idea, do you know that 1 week of F1 racing pollutes more than an entire 2 stroke MX season ever did?
Revanche2strokes 1 week ago
@stereobites36, you are da man. We need way more guys like you. Since changing to 4 strokes, fan base attendence has dropped off almost 30% and the racing has become super boring!! Another point is something never talked about, brand h wanted 4 strokes on the basis of safety. They said the 2 strokes were not safe but, in 30 years of 2 strokes-only 1 racer died. In 10 years of 4 stroke GP bikes, 3 racers died and all were on brand h bikes. How safe is that? Then there's the "green" thing.....
Revanche2strokes 1 week ago
Wish i was born in the 70's or 80's. Looked thru my dad's Suzuki RG400. a freakin' 2 stroke machine. Now is all bullshit 4 stroke. Eg, Yamaha R125. Nice looking bike. Shitty performance. Sad to be born in the 90's.
stereobites36 2 weeks ago
BEAST.
Sojerothetenkin101 3 weeks ago
The first bike belongs to Loris Capirossi
reverb478 1 month ago
That is a real race machine! No electronics, No traction control, No launch control. Just the killer powerband of the 2 Stroke
2StrokeRacing3 1 month ago 2
there aint poke without smoke!!
allyc85 1 month ago
now thats a proper bike
TheSheperd23 1 month ago
all the four stroke 800cc bikes just wet there pants when they heard that ...
M1DG3TGaming 1 month ago
Goodbye to "power bands" !!
kerrowmoar4 1 month ago
2 strkes are real mens bikes! moto gp just aint the same
MrRybo87 2 months ago
2 strokes are real mens bikes! moto gp just aint the same :(
MrRybo87 2 months ago
2t <3
dariobas1000 2 months ago
The mother of ALL beasts right there...
SPOOKSTR 2 months ago
Really good to Dajiro's bike again
RIP #74
Jaystars 2 months ago
real bike-for real man.2T power
racing0eagle 3 months ago 3
Capirossi's and Kato's bikes
agnellone 3 months ago
0:20 That bike is SEX!!!! The best looking ever? The Rothmans fag packet colours were nice but that is the ultimate NSR500 livery IMO. I feel like lighting up now. Oh wait, I don't smoke lol :]
Aexomer 3 months ago
Good bye 2 stroke... welcome TTXGP racing. LOL
mptrax 3 months ago
the 2 strokes make a shitty sounds but wayyy more powerfull.
D2der2333 3 months ago
...the ultimate real race motorbike.....beast
rc4sti 3 months ago
Look at the shitty 4stroke at(O.16) then they bring out the NSR! theres no comparison! The NSR would leave that 4 stroke standing and its only half the capacity! What would i give to own that NSR! V4 2 STROKES RULE!!
jonrg77 3 months ago
@jonrg77 given that when they ran the 2 and 4 stroke bikes side by side, the 4 stroke 990's made the 2 stroke 500's redundant...
tuftymitchell 3 months ago
@tuftymitchell But think about it! the 4 strokes had double the capacity and more torque,so where better out of the corners and easier to ride! but the 2 stroke was lighter and more powerful but needed a lot more skill as the 2stroke engine picked up revs much quicker,and to control highsides ! It was because of the woosey euro emision laws,that the GP bikes where changed to 4strokes!
jonrg77 3 months ago
All that 2 banga smoke brought tears to my eyes...bring back the ring ding dingers and fuc greenpeace!!
markzzxx 4 months ago 3
2 stroke sound 4ever
thecrazykartbyAJ 4 months ago
rip Daijiro
abunaiN1 4 months ago
two strokers is number one
truongdanphong 4 months ago
The power of a liter bike.
The handling of a supersports.
Four strokes is two too many.
thekkl 5 months ago
I realy miss the two strokers :(
amdamdiggydam 5 months ago 60
@amdamdiggydam
mann you got that right,
so do I,
kirkconway 1 month ago
Danger....don`t touch this boys of MOTO GP :D
ROSMEN1982 5 months ago 15
from what year is this footage?
and will the Two strokes ever come back to moto GP?
tnerual888 5 months ago
@tnerual888 The year is 2002, and no I don't think that two-stroke bikes will race at the gp again...
AlcoStomper 5 months ago
@AlcoStomper thought 2001 was the last year of the 500s???
Shincism 4 months ago
@Shincism 2002 was the year that 4strokes were allowed to race. They kept some two stroke bikes at the races for financial purposes (they were much more cheaper)..
AlcoStomper 4 months ago
@AlcoStomper ahh, cool, cheers!!
Shincism 4 months ago
we cant compare bananas with apples the 2 strokes were undriveable beasts that is why honda made the big bang engine with less hp in order to make them more rideable . the 4 strokes from its nature its a slow engine so they tried to make them fast using 5 culinders and 1000cc because they would never had problems with the riding .
bonebreaker27 5 months ago
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2StrokeRacing2 6 months ago
most GP riders today who rode the 2 stroke 500cc said that they were and still are the most ferocious of all bikes. and i want an NSR 500. but they cost around $40,000 each no cuz they are soo rare and special. :(
Suprastar77 6 months ago
but 2T still classic!!
sungodman001 6 months ago
you know how i know you're a nigger? because this is a video full of 200hp handmade 2 strokes, and youre arguing about a Hayabusa. typical.
MetricHotrodsdotcom 6 months ago
smell the 2 strokes.
bluemotion1905 6 months ago
74 RIP Daijiro San
Bollinger1984 6 months ago
Daijiro Kato #74. Legend.
markypea 6 months ago
KAWASAKI BABY!!!!!!!!!!! ALL DAY FUCK EVERYBODY ELSE
IcePickSnowmanzzzz 6 months ago
FUCK DUCATI !
persianspider 6 months ago
@persianspider u nmean screw 4 strokes ducati is far from being the fastest 4 stroke bike flat 4 jap bike destroy all ducatis. ducatis got the looks but not the performance.
gsxrful 6 months ago
@gsxrful not the performance??? 347,4 km/h Loris Capirossi with the first Ducati in MotoGP. You did not ever heard about Mr. Giacomo Agostini? 15 times world champion. shhhhhhhhht. please!
ColliGbr 6 months ago
@ColliGbr talking about production bike jerks off i owned a ducati 1198s something punks like you only dream off and it was nothing compared to me busa for example . I unlike you go out and ride those bitches u go and drool all day over bikes on YT and TV. now u sHHHHHT and go shove ur macaroni n cheese in ur face and hop off my testicules.
gsxrful 6 months ago
@gsxrful raas clatt doush bag maun!i got dis i got dat wdf,upload ya bitches lets see em ripp !or ya ya ass too fat tssss!
kiaganga 6 months ago
@kiaganga yo mama is too fat when shit ya in the toiet seat she thought u was shit and left u in the hole no wonder u are a piece of shit go watch 4 stroke moto cross u lowlife lowclass tasteless shitface the only thing i will load for losers like u to drool on is a a pair of AK's to rip ur ugly heads off ur shoulds u worthless scum.
gsxrful 6 months ago
@gsxrful like i say upload ya bitches !!or ya puss.
kiaganga 6 months ago
@gsxrful ahahahaha ma come cazzo parli???? ahahahaha macaroni ahahaha continue to eat shit envious!!! ;-)
ColliGbr 5 months ago
@ColliGbr not envious just speaking from actually owning and riding all them bitches unlike u faggot just talking shit. but shitalians obviously dislike truth and facts and like to live on their cloud the world has evolved and u are still living in the roman era .
gsxrful 5 months ago
@persianspider Shut up, Ducati is an handmade motorbike, hondas can be good, but they are produced in stock, those bikes don't have a soul, la rossa do.
reading70 6 months ago
@reading70 parole sante! i tecnici di Borgo Panigale creano dei capolavori! tutto quello che un motociclista vorrebbe avere sotto il sedere!
ColliGbr 6 months ago
@TheOfficialKC Maybe if you lug the shit out of your 2stroke it'll outlive the 4t yea?
4T top ends will outlive the 2T by far if you support it with oil changes and checking the valve lash regularly...
DeanG1993 7 months ago
@DeanG1993 2t MX bike ridden flat out will last 60+ hours. A 4t MX bike ridden flat out will last 30 hours. Then when a 4-stroke blows it costs 10 times what a 2-stroke does.
TheOfficialKC 7 months ago
@TheOfficialKC
other way around, 2 strokes don't last as long as 4 strokes.
DerkaDerkaDerka100 6 months ago
@DerkaDerkaDerka100 Nope. Look at MX racing. 2-strokes out live 4-strokes 2 to 1. Look at outboard boat engines. No service for 300 hours. They last over 6000 hours.
It all depends on how you build them too. When going racing, a 2-stroke will always outlive a 4-stroke because there is less internal stress and with DI/OI they have as good of lubrication.
Obviously in low tune 4-strokes can last a long time: cars and road bikes for example.
TheOfficialKC 5 months ago
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@DeanG1993 Direct injection 2 Strokes creates a 4-stroke power band.For most people that is better. But like I many people like that hit. With Direction injection you can have different power curves. It is possible to make a power band that is narrower…than a current carborator2-stroke. Aprilia made a direct injection RS250 and did this. They had easy power curves like a 4 stroke, aggressive curves, and curves that emulated carb 2-strokes with that very hard hit harder hitting than today’s
2StrokeRacing2 6 months ago
@DeanG1993 It will also have low end torque like the 4 strokes and it will use pretty much no oil and will have more torque and their will be no smoke
2StrokeRacing2 6 months ago
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CrashHUN187 7 months ago
Please correct me if I am wrong but I believe also one of the reasons 2strokes were phased out is it was hard to get the power to the ground. 4strokes were more trackable, which overall made them faster around the track.
gbonesrider 7 months ago
@gbonesrider you are absolute right ftiend the 2001 nsr had 200hp and had more over power and was making wheelies from power acceleration
bonebreaker27 7 months ago
@gbonesrider Actually i think it was because 2-Strokes were less reliable than 4-Strokes? Thats what ive heard anyway.
zonda93 7 months ago
@zonda93 That is wrong. The 4-stroke TRAIL bikes were very reliable (see Honda XR). But as far as MX bikes are concerned a 2-stroke has twice the engine life between top ends, and their major failures are much less costly. 2-stroke trail bikes have become pretty bullet proof.
TheOfficialKC 7 months ago
@TheOfficialKC Really? I might take an NSR125 in mind then im going to be doing my bike test soon
zonda93 7 months ago
I miss 2-stokes in the us.... =(
MrLovestospoog 7 months ago
cigarette advertising looked good as well even if smoking is bad for you,,lucky strikes and marlboros eventually killed barry sheene RIP
EDWARDBASTARDHITLER 7 months ago
nada como el sonido de un motor 2 ciclos, bien montado, "tuneadito" , ese sonido entrecordado, la verdad que no es para mucha gente, solo algunos sabemos lo que hay dentro.
frau1234 7 months ago
Capirex's honda :)
alby46intro 7 months ago
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I can smell it from here and it smells sweeeeeet !
pgzzz 8 months ago
this shit sound like 50ccm scooter. get a real bike gay boys :)
wiktorkramer 8 months ago
@wiktorkramer Lol, it's 2-stroke, you are gay for not having heard about that before! ;)
xBanANUS 8 months ago 2
@xBanANUS lol i know it's 2 stroke . they sound like scooters.
wiktorkramer 8 months ago
@wiktorkramer A 500cc v4 2 stroke engine and it's not a real bike? You're a fucking moron. That bike probably puts our 90-100 WHP.
B0DYR0T 8 months ago
@B0DYR0T out*
B0DYR0T 8 months ago
@B0DYR0T lol honda cbr 1000rr has got 170 i think. so what? those 500cc sound like scooters
wiktorkramer 8 months ago
@wiktorkramer They may sound like scooters but until you ride one you really can't say much. That 2 stroke engine is doing close to what years of developing 4 stroke technology does in 1000cc. If you think your 4 strokes are so bad ass, imagine a 1000cc 2 stroke. Would rip your skin of your bones.
B0DYR0T 8 months ago
@B0DYR0T Maybe it's true, but the 4strokes are better looking and the sound is much better.
wiktorkramer 8 months ago
@wiktorkramer Everything you just said was based off of personal opinion. Honestly I like the 2t sound over the 4t sound of a street bike. And also the looks, you should look a bit more into this bikes videos, there's some that look much better than most 4t bikes.
B0DYR0T 8 months ago
@B0DYR0T I love hona cbr 1000rr fireblade repsol :D
wiktorkramer 8 months ago
...have to agree with the last comment... take a modern 600 or 750 sports bike and stick a good 500cc 2 stroke in them and they'd destroy the original bike. seen it done with a mid eighties RD500 lump in a 2004 r6 frame. Amazing machine, just a little bit lairy for the average Joe though :0$
madandywalks 8 months ago
awesome....double thumbs up....
musangKayangan 9 months ago 2
ooow # 74.... Kato rip
ValeTekZwa 9 months ago
this was better than motogp
HS976 9 months ago
2Ts not a part of history :)
id ride mine all day everyday if i could afford it
SamuelBend 9 months ago 2
@SamuelBend all the same here my friend...it was costing me £15+ a day to run my nsr250...would hate to think how much this fucker costs to run
TAppo2k9 9 months ago
@2StrokeMotocross1 Um the current bikes also produce 220bhp......... You are deluded and living in a fantasy world. That is all I have to say
thepanzerknacker 9 months ago
Anyone know of a "big bang" lying around anywhere? Gonna stick one in a superkart....lol
wildbill6976 10 months ago
Yes please sir, i want to see two strokes again.
Not being biast being the owner of an RG500, hehehe.
Bikes today are so forgiving hey, just point and turn, lol.
Bring back the hangrenades on wheels (four cylinder two strokes).
dwsnare 10 months ago
it was because they put all there time and effort into the 4 strokes for a couple years before they brought them to the track against the 2 strokes and stopped putting money and innovative parts into 2 strokes other than suspension,all because emissions and no one had the balls to ride them to the limit ,so basically they were riding 2 strokes from the 90s against 4 strokes from 00s,which i myself and a lot of other riders would still rather see the 2 strokes out there on the street and track
adz930 10 months ago
Theres a reason why No one makes or races two strokes anymore. They are not as good as four stroke, sorry to burst all your bubbles and dreamworlds. In the first every GP race with four stroke bikes, the 2 strokes roared off the line, got to the first corner..... and then the four strokes danced by and that was that. And this was at a time before rider aids and traction control. So everyone talking about two strokes being better should sod off
thepanzerknacker 10 months ago
i ride a ktm rc8 but that there is a real bike bring back the strokers
fukthailand 10 months ago
man these 2-strokes are way more cool than th current 4-strokes. i remember watching Kev n the lot race in Shah Alam, they'd blast past the start finish in a BLINK! and they were LOUD! man i miss'em. then i watched the Rossi/Stoner generation in Sepang. not bad but.. yaaaaawwwwnn. screw "being green!" we've messed up our planet with with oil spills, industrial pollution alrdy! sometimes changes make a sport boring. soon the 125s 2-strokes will be phased out so lets enjoy'em while we still can.
smoceskreen 10 months ago
@smoceskreen Yeah, Honda see's no profit in 125's anymore. MOTOGP is, however, going to start a MOTO3 class, 4 stroke 250's.. I wonder if they will all use spec Honda engines, like MOTO2 does. That kind of sucks.
TheCanyoncoyote 9 months ago
The GP 500's where a an absolute beast to handle...I don't care what anyone say's!
The accidents and injuries where brutal.
HitchHikersBlues 10 months ago
rip daijiro
hm3066 11 months ago
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@professor,
AMEN BROTHER!!
93hondansr 11 months ago
@professor, AMEN BROTHER!!!
93hondansr 11 months ago
I love everything about 2 strokes: the smell, the sounds, the power delivery. It took a man to ride a 2T but they went away for a reason. Moto Gp is the pinnacle of road racing. They wouldn't have switched if the four-strokes weren't better bikes. Two strokes have always been super finicky. If all the stars aren't aligned just right, they don't run right. I also think that the manufacturers pushed four stroke R&D more so than 2 stroke around the turn of the millennium and that's the cause.
reverb478 11 months ago
I STILL LOVE THE SOUND OF A TWO STROKE RACER MORE THAN A FOUR STROKE ONE .... IT GIVE'S ME GOOSBUMPS :-)
jetunknownactor 11 months ago
Amazing!!!
emimx 11 months ago
0:15 rc211v
i love both of them
IhavNoNem 11 months ago
The first bike it's Capirossi's bike...
alby46intro 11 months ago
Honda also blame for the end of 2Q, 2T street their machines could not such good results in the trade as the other two Yamaha and Suzuki, but the world is realizing that a 2T engine can emit less CO2 than a 4T, be more efficient and have less manufacturing cost, and replacement parts. Honda fuck it, we need to "yell" for the return of 2T.
haroldosantossilva 11 months ago
ITS HONDA NOT SUZUKI
fartaskia 1 year ago
@fartaskia suzuka is the circuit omfg -_-
playermatti 11 months ago
@playermatti
my friend it is HONDA NSR500 ;)
fartaskia 11 months ago
Love it! Love it!!!
scoot45123 1 year ago
I blame Honda for the loss of these amazing machines. If my memory serves me well, it was HRC that stopped developing the 500 two stroke first. Suzuki, Yamaha and Kawasaki quickly followed suit.I think it may have had something to do with not being able to market these machines in the USA? Not that the USA was such an enormous market given that two strokes we being sold legally in Canada, Japan , Europe.....I suspect another reason the big 4 changed to 4 stroke, a lot more $ for parts/repairs???
Ismell2stroke 1 year ago
one of the finest machines on earth...
stevemanoppo 1 year ago
geez... i miss to race those 2 strokes!!!
SuperbikeCoach 1 year ago
Hey 2 strokers, everyone deserves a shirt, go to our site, order 2 and we'll give you a 3rd for free, through december 2010. And, please support this once mighty 2 stroke power plant on every available front. With us and anyone who's willing to fight for them, support factories like KTM, Gas Gas, TM, Maico, Husaberg, Husqvarna and others. The big 4's money keeps these litle guys down, but we can win and have both types for all, not just one droning heavy one for some!!!
Revanche2strokes 1 year ago
I guess the reason they practically banned the 2-strokes from racing is cuz they couldn't afford research they couldn't put on the streets and they already invested tons of money in 4 stroke development so they didn't wanna lose that to 2strokes.
the argument they always used was emissions, but if you have direct injected 2strokes and 20years of development or so im sure they could beat the 4 strokes even in that degree...why have 2 unnecessary energy wasting strokes when you can have 2instead
biertier99 1 year ago
@biertier99 there are advantages and disadvantages to both types of engines, if you want raw power: 2 stroke, but it comes at a cost.
schr4nz 1 year ago
@schr4nz
Yea I agree. two stroke power comes in at about half the cost of running a stressed out four stroke engine!
Ismell2stroke 1 year ago
Hey all you 4 stroke guys, read PROFESSORIGOR's comments, he is 100% right on. It took 1000cc 4 strokes that were allowed up to 6 cyl bikes to compete with 2 strokes that could not be any bigger than 500cc and only a max of 4 cyl's. The strokers still crushed the overweight diesels, so the big 4 had the strokers banned. Does this sound like a superior engine to anyone? What can us stroker fans do to fight this unfairness? Buy strokers, ride/race them, support them and support co's like ours.
Revanche2strokes 1 year ago 3
a 500cc 2 stroke with abs and traction control, thats the way to go
horayforboobieszxr 1 year ago
mmmh sento l'odore di miscela da qui!
Varo87parm 1 year ago
when was this filmed? 2002?
EJ25RUN 1 year ago
Wayne Rainey forever!
juligoesto 1 year ago
ah yes the good old days, the smell of "castrol" Back in the 80's when two strokers ruled the roads an tracks!
box1u 1 year ago
@box1u thay still do jus no 1 has the baws 2 ride em
jazmx82 1 year ago
got to be the most exciting GP bikes to ever watch. Brutal :-)
persistrich 1 year ago
@ ProfessorIgor: 4t power delivery was much better, hence the whole grid going to 4t bikes in 2002. Even the mighty 'big bang' NSR500 didn't stand a chance against the 990cc 4t's. Now they're going back to 1000cc from 800cc, all the riders can't wait. Neither can I.
Two strokes are very fun to ride though, and very easy to work on. I had an Aprilia RS125 as my first bike, shouldn't have sold it. I'm now after an RGV250 haha.
boingkster 1 year ago
@boingkster hm...
imagine a 1000cc 2 stroker...
what do you think? :)
zbljk 1 year ago
@zbljk it wont work
boom3423 1 year ago
@boom3423 why do you think it wont work?
zbljk 1 year ago
@boom3423 why do you think that?
i'm not horrasing you, i just ask...
zbljk 3 months ago
@boingkster I just re-read this... look what you posted.. the 500cc 2 strokes didn't stand a chance against the 990cc 4t's... 500cc vs. 990cc.. hmmmm.. 4 strokes are superior ??
ProfessorIgor 7 months ago
@ProfessorIgor yeh 2 stroke beats 4 anyday but the problem is fuel runs out 2 qickly on over 500cc 2 strokes
jpvalve 7 months ago
@jpvalve Direct Injection. Fixes that problem. Better MPG than 4-stroke.
TheOfficialKC 7 months ago
@ProfessorIgor Two strokes were phased out as they did not reflect what the average motorcyclist was riding, nor the direction the motorcycle industry was taking with new R&D and production. Four strokes may not be capable of producing as much power per unit of displacement, but they are generally a lot more reliable when producing that power. Neither is superior, but both are different.
boingkster 7 months ago
@boingkster who cares ?? That's what Superbikes are supposed to be. This is GRAN PRIX, it's not supposed to be about you and me. Formula 1 isn't.. NASCAR for sure isn't ! It's about RACING, entertainment !!
ProfessorIgor 7 months ago
@ProfessorIgor Superbikes are production-based bikes, yes, but part of what MotoGP is about is developing cutting-edge technology that filters down to production bikes that you and me can buy. And look whats happened since 2003 - we now have bikes with fuel injection, ABS, traction control, switchable enging mapping and enormous power outputs in very refined chassis. Many of these developments are a direct result of developments made through racing.
boingkster 7 months ago
@boingkster Now what you were saying to ProfessorIgor about MotoGP. 4-strokes have gained a lot from GP. Imagine where 2-strokes would be today. Just DI alone. Maybe Boysen's exhaust valve would have been developed(eliminates the need for large, heavy expansion chambers). I mean, TSS already has a 485cc twin with 115rwhp(130bhp) and 60lb-ft! And this is with very old tech based on the 1980s Yamahas. Suter has a 500cc V4 making 200rwhp that weighs 275lbs.
TheOfficialKC 7 months ago
@TheOfficialKC Yes, I heartily acknowledge that but the fact remains that they are generally fragile when tuned for high-performance. My Aprilia was a 30hp 125cc single and required 8,000~10,000km topend replacements. This is not the sort of thing the average consumer wants, but is of course acceptable for race-oriented machines. I'm not saying hi-performance two-strokes aren't awesome, but really they're not great for everyday 'start-up-and-go-to-work' use.
boingkster 7 months ago
@boingkster When tuned for high performance 4-strokes like to blow up. That is exactly what happened in MX. They designed 4-strkoes to be light and powerful(yet still heavier and less powerful than 2-strokes) and they have big reliability problems.
The whole point of my comments is DIRECT INJECTION. Your old 125 is carbureted. DI 2-strokes last WAY longer than carb ones. They get oiled better than a 4-stroke.
TheOfficialKC 7 months ago
@boingkster Di means long service life, no more mixing oil/gas, no needing to change your oil, no valve adjustment, lots of power, broad powerband, low weight, and good gas mileage. All of the advantages of a 2-stroke and all the advantages of a 4-stroke rolled into one.
TheOfficialKC 7 months ago
@TheOfficialKC You need to change your oil because the gearbox still pollutes it, but indeed two stroke development needs to resume
LordFabs 6 months ago
@LordFabs Gearbox pollutes what?
TheOfficialKC 6 months ago
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2StrokeRacing2 6 months ago
@boingkster Direct injection 2 Strokes creates a 4-stroke power band.For most people that is better. But like I many people like that hit. With Direction injection you can have different power curves. It is possible to make a power band that is narrower…than a current carborator2-stroke. Aprilia made a direct injection RS250 and did this. They had easy power curves like a 4 stroke, aggressive curves, and curves that emulated carb 2-strokes with that very hard hit harder hitting than today’s
2StrokeRacing2 6 months ago
@2StrokeRacing2 Yes, direct injection engines are capable of doing some impressive things but not exactly what you're talking about. A two-strokes 'hard hit' at the high rpm ranges is given by sonic shockwaves from the exhaust cramming fuel/air mix that has bypassed the combustion chamber on the inlet/exhaust stroke *back into* the combustion chamber, effectively turbocharging the engine. This is why sport/race two-strokes have specially shaped exhausts.
boingkster 6 months ago
@boingkster You are confused. First, the pipe does give some of the peakyness of the 2-stroke. But the main problem is the carburetor. DI 2-strokes have already proven to fix this. Second, you can still have a tuned pipe on a DI 2-stroke. Look at the Ski-Doo E-Tec. They have tuned pipes. You do not lose the power adding effect of tuned pipes with DI. The only thing DI changes is the air/fuel ratio. And DI allows higher compression which gives more power.
TheOfficialKC 5 months ago
@TheOfficialKC That is partially true. Another thing which gives power throughout the range - which is I believe what we are talking about now - is a powervalve system. This helps close off the exhaust port at low rpms so you gain midrange torque. It opens again at high rpms so you are able to get that power surge that strokers are famous for. The carburettor has little to do with it, it is the engine systems that are the cause of two strokes power delivery. EFI would help but its not a 100% fix
boingkster 5 months ago
@boingkster Correct. Powervalves, pipes, porting, bore, stroke, fuel management, etc all contribute to how a 2-stroke's (and 4-stroke's) powerband is. So you can't narrow it down to one thing. But converting to DI for 2-strokes will make a big change. The biggest benefit to DI is it will significantly bring up the bottom end and overrev of a 2-stroke without hurting the peak power.
TheOfficialKC 5 months ago
@boingkster Because the engine fires twice as often as a four stroke, that, and the higher compression rates are the main reasons why two strokes are per cc more powerful, also exactly why they are less reliable and noisier!!
cheekymonkey242424 5 months ago
@ ProfessorIgor: 4t power delivery was much better, hence the whole grid going to 4t bikes in 2002. Even the mighty 'big bang' NSR500 didn't stand a chance against the 990cc 4t's. Now they're going back to 1000cc from 800cc, all the riders can't wait. Neither can I.
boingkster 1 year ago
there is no other bike i think of that i want to have as bad as an nsr500 2 stroke i had them all from from ducatis to yamahas. these babies are going for $80,000 if ever found they never never offered for sale for the public until recently.
Moroccan4lifeone 1 year ago
thumbs up if you want to see 2t again in GP!!!!
stevemanoppo 1 year ago 440
@stevemanoppo
2 strokes for ever!!!!
WUNDERWUZI123 1 year ago
RIP Kato-san #74. 2002 was an interesting season in GP.
rcoveyduc 1 year ago 14
damn nice la...AWESOME BIKE
mrneil707 1 year ago
2 strokes forever!! Congrats to Husaberg for bringing them back!!! I know I am talking about MX here, but who cares? TWO STROKES is the subject! :)
HARISHAROSSI 1 year ago
Oh my god.....65 - Loris Capirossi OMG
Brain245able 1 year ago
not a 2-stroke but a 2-smoke
rcHUNTER1555 1 year ago
Loris Capirossi's # 65 - West Honda Pons NSR 500 :)
manpreet5553 1 year ago
acelerala pealdo cagon
ericpansa28 1 year ago
THIS is a RACE bike... not some goddammned 2 wheeled computer like we have in GP now..... take a 500cc 2 stroke and tune it, with TODAY'S tires and race it against a 1000cc four stroke, shitcan ALL traction control and I guarantee you that the 500 is going to win. By the end of their tenure, the 500's were making 200-210hp and they only weigh 286lbs !!!! The 500's were EVIL and only a handful of men could ride them to their absolute limits. THAT is what GP is supposed to be !!!!
ProfessorIgor 1 year ago 162
@ProfessorIgor
You're still off by a mile if you think this would beat a modern GP bike. Chassis technology, suspension development, brake materials, and enhanced engine torque curves nowadays are more important overall than power-to-weight ratio. Do you know what you're saying when you claim these idiotic, fanatical, ass backward things? Nostalgia ain't gonna give you reason, it'll only make you miss the old days. You're probably 60 and living off the state if you think like this.
corotor12345 1 year ago
@corotor12345
you are probably 12 and have no idea about that technology :)
the latest 500cc generation was able to smoke the 990cc motoGP bikes,
as Capirossi & Barros demonstrated short before the 500cc were baned.
Now they have 800cc .... take a clou...
IndigoElder 1 year ago
@IndigoElder
If you're going to argue, do it with facts. From what I see, you know little and talk too much. Why don't we compare lap times huh? Let's see which bikes make the best lap times.
corotor12345 1 year ago
@corotor12345
why dont we compare laptimes huh ? <--- great idea
find a 500cc 4 stroker
then lets run vs. a 500cc GP bike
( ROC or Harris Yamaha / or V2 Honda would be enough )
or even modified RG/RD 500cc 2 stroker streetbike
then we will know wich engine concept is better ...
IndigoElder 1 year ago