I use to have high hopes for this car. but its so far from the Concept model... I will pass... And yes im aware that cars change from the concept but I feel they had it right with the concept.
How much will this car cost? I looked it up on google and someone said 25,000 and If that's true. I'm totally getting it. but it sounds a little to good to be true. Please tell me! Thanks.
@JoshGonzales512 That sounds like a very reasonable price, if it were to be more than that, toyota would probably put it with Lexus not Scion. Remember this has 200 horsepower which isn't that much, so $25k sounds about right
Does anyone know if the TOYOTA badged version will go on the US market? I know they said "The Toyota 86 GT will go on the us market, possibly wearing a Scion badge." but does that mean the Toyota will absolutely NOT be going in the us? I'm just not a very big scion fan. And no I dont want to buy it on steroids(SUBARU). I'll import the fucker if i have to.
@TylerWestaway Its comming only as a Scion. And to be honest who cares? You know its a Toyota so whats the difference? Just badge it as a Toyota if it bothers you that much.
@TylerWestaway I came for a car expo today and they said it will come out with scion badge and subaru in the US . Toyota will no have it here in the US
IT screams toyota celica all over the sheet metal. Am very disappointed in the bland 2004 revised celica. The concept was 100 times a work of art on wheels.
Small and short like the old Miata which will be the perfect go-cart on the streets of America. With just 200hp to offer for the same price as the 2013 Genesis coupe with 350hp, no thanks. You going to see a bunch of high school brats driving this because of the fuel sufficient, but I will be dusting them by with my new Genesis Coupe 2013 hahahahhahaha!!!!
I have a question so the concept one from scion will not ever be released ? i like the scion frs that came out at the la auto show but this one i dont like so much can anyone please tell me if they will ever release the concept version ?
Price tag is $24,000 for either model. I'm a Subaru Impreza coupe owner right now (1999, normally aspirated) and I can't wait for these to hit dealerships! The sports car is reborn!
@thesanglee88 On the Subaru spec sheet from motortrend straight from the factory it lists it at $25k MSRP. So you know it will be like 27 after taxes, then more like 24 after incentives and rebates. Subaru has already said at the Tokyo Auto Show that they are releasing an STi model, and on NASIOC it's estimated it will be around $32k.
@SonicProvocateur Yup I actually read that article in the MTmag.However, it said 'estimate" and not the final price so it will be around the 25k mark. STI version will be awesome! which means FR-S will be priced lower, perhaps 2-3k less? While I was reading, this statement caught my attention "After few mins of driving through the mountain rds you will wish this car had 100 more hp." B/c of that I'm probably not going to buy it. I hate that feeling STI will be too much for me.
@thesanglee88 Before I bought my 99 2.5RS coupe, I had a '02 Firebird 3.8 v6 and it had 200hp/230tq, but weighed about 3200lb. It wasn't fast (apx 7.6 0-60), but it felt "quick" and I loved it as a drivers car, was moddable and super reliable. With 2500lb less curb weight, the new FR-S/BRZ will DEFINITELY be more fun to drive, and the STi model will cost the same as my old W66 optioned Firebird. Totally worth it.
@SonicProvocateur Oh yeah, no doubt about being fun to drive. It's just that I hate the feeling of missing the power when you need it. You never felt that? I have to test drive and see how it is before I make my decision. Yes, the STI will be definitely worth it. But I don't have the money to pay for STI or 25k car just for fun. I need a car that I can have fun and enjoy being inside on a long drive. I drive over 1700mile+ every month. I don't want shitty interior lol
@thesanglee88 Yeah, from time to time I miss some pavement pummeling power, but it's more in the power to weight ratio and "fun to drive" factor which is different for everyone. The most fun car with great gas mileage i've ever driven was a C5 vette, and it's pwr/wght was about 9.5, the BRZ platform will be about 12 with the same mileage. To compare though, an Integra Type-R (same pwr/wght as my car) is roughly 16.
subaru badge would be more expensive, just look at how much sti's how for, there not cheap, there making it affortable with the scion. but everyone knows toyota had the brains....new scion era
@TheKevin50cal idk. well i've been in the xb and tc. It is cheap as hell. That's probably why. That's my guess. if it is reasonably priced with decent interior materials then I wouldn't mind buying SCION fr-s.. purchasing a car at 25k+ just for the 'driving experience' with shitty interior while trying to get a job after college, and pay around $400 a month plus other expenses.. not worth it. For me that is.
@thesanglee88 right? If it's the same car pretty much, why would you pay more for a different brand? I would rather pay less for something that's practically the same....
@TheKevin50cal Yeah. People would pay extra for the Subaru name and higher quality interior. I don't blame them. This FR-S better be priced right or people will just buy the BRZ. I would sacrifice the comfort and nice/decent interior if this FR-S starts at 21-22k, I would buy it. But if it starts at 24 and up.. I rather pay little more and just get the 2013 Genesis coupe 3.8 with better interior and more power. "Fun" part of it.. I'm pretty sure I can have fun on the GC too.
@agata70 i called up to my local toyota dealer a few days ago wanting to put a deposit down on one and was also asking some other questions. i couldnt put a deposit down yet because pricing has not yet been announced. but they had a dude call me back,i forget from where, but he told me a turbo would definitely be available from trd within a year of release. who knows how long that will actually be..
@DLC1988 well the only way i would have brought a scion is if they stuck with the same interior as the other two. Just to save a little money, they jeopardize sales of the Scion by putting cheap materials for the interior.
@Rocistan Yeah.. I personally like the FR-S styling better than the BRZ but I read that FR-S will have cheap interior so they can keep the price low... wack.. BRZ will, I heard, come with Navi system standard but my guess is that it will cost 26k. I really hope they price this car right so I can get one.
@guyver280z But it's a pure sports car with a boxer engine ): It's a sequel to the Hachi AE86. Many people are disappointed by this Scion badge and I'm sure an STI badge will be more appealing as well.
@Suesky its 200hp boxer engine RWD 47/53 weight distribution. It's 100% different from the EVO and such to each own taste. The selling gimmick behind this car is that it's a sequel to "AE86" which is a legend in the import world.
@pditty33 you sure about the 22,500 starting price for the scion? also, any word on the interior quality of the scion?...and compared to its subaru sibling? thanks
@DLC1988 Apparently the Scion version is identical to the Toyota version, which is tuned for a bit less understeer/more oversteer compared to the Subaru version.
I would MUCH rather stare at a Subaru emblem than a Scion emblem in the steering wheel. But if the Scion is more fun to drive, I'll take it.
@DLC1988 Apparently the Scion version is identical to the Toyota version, which is tuned for a bit less understeer/more oversteer compared to the Subaru version.
I would MUCH rather stare at a Subaru emblem than a Scion emblem in the steering wheel. But if the Scion is more fun to drive, I'll take it.
i wudnt buy this car at first. maybe wait for a TRD or an STI edition to this car then buy it. im leaning towards scion more cuz they are own by toyota and plus this car has a lito lexus LFA ook in it with the headlights
@USA99VS1 Oh yeah, one is a NA Toyota and the other is a Turbo Hyundai. Doesnt matter that they have the exact same specs and look exactly the same. My bad. :P
@USA99VS1 Scion is more of a fad than Hyundai. Brand for Brand, Hyundai had been around way longer than Scion. Scion was just made to boost Toyota's younger sales, which they did a good job of doing, which makes it a HUGE fad. Toyota did a dick move by replacing the Celica GT-S with the p.o.s tC that is slow as fuck. And truthfully xAs, xBs, and xDs were total garbage, which they greatly improved on. Now it looks like Toyota/Scion is trying to copy Hyundai with the FR-S, but with a n/a motor.
It's gonna be pretty tough to find room for a turbo with the engine as low and far back as it is. Subaru had the same issue when they were contemplating a turbo version of the BRZ.
There are rumors of a possible TRD Supercharger kit down the road, though.
I think this car reminds me a bit of the RX-7. I know its a very different mechanically but their both light weight, rear drive, great handling coups!!
I like the look of this car. Yes, the prototype would have been nice, but I want this car to stay under 30k. Low-20's would be optimal, honestly. The lack of sophisticated computer systems will definitely help lessen the complexity of this car.
Don't like the badges? De-Badge them and put your own on. This is a car meant for customization. People want a tuner and yet want everything done for them by the auto manufacturer. That isn't the point of a car like this. I would buy this over a Miata.
It is a good platform for tuners, though. Minimal computer complexity and a low-center of gravity. Reports put this car at 0-62mph in about 6 seconds.
@TheReapersSon true it does have some potential but not as much potential as a car with a turbo. It has a near perfect 53/47 weight ratio which provides great tuning potential handling wise. This car will probably end up being a car that is tuned for drifting and handling but not for high power. The engine is somewhat tunable due to an unlocked ecu. The main point I'm trying to make is that performance wise this isnt a really good platform in comparison to a supra (extreme example)
@Mr6Stang dude the only thing that judges the cars power output potential is the engine itself, a turbo is forced induction and you can bet there will be turbo kits released for this car and maybe even a turbo model or kit released by toyota and/or subaru. this car is actually a much better platform in comparison to a supra the only difference being that the supra had a larger engine but the power output of that 6 in the supra was pretty much the same as what this 4 is putting out.
@4040tee " the power output of that 6 in the supra was pretty much the same as what this 4 is putting out."
but the supra comes stock with a turbo so.... and i highly doubt that there will be a turbo model until maybe the next generation and that's even if they decide to go that route. there will definitely be turbo kits for this car but there are turbo kits for most cars out there... also, lets not consider the fact that the supra is a much older car? technology advances as time goes on man
There -will- be a turbo version. lets not forget this is a naturally aspirated 2 liter boxer four, a subaru motor with toyota's direct injection. the brz sti may be a concept now, but for sure they'll be putting a turbo in there when it sees production (and they'd be stupid not to put it into production).
this chassis is much better than the supra- it's incredibly light, most likely stiffer too. we're a decade past the last engineering thought that went into the supra.
You guys are all ripping on this car but its the next great tuning platform...why?...because its cheap and its a 6 speed rwd car! Price is supposedly going to be 20k and the other was a concept of course the concept is going to look amazing but if they actually put the concept into production it would be ten times more expensive!! They made it affordable so be grateful I can't wait for this thing to hit the market
both companies should have made the concept cars, better looking wheels and body panels. and the diffusers on the FR-S concept oh man what a win and then they made this......
the Toyota GT-86 (aka Scion FR-S in North America) and the Subaru BRZ production car are no good, looks wise
@wrxsti28 You can always change wheels, add suspension, and do other things. What fun would it be if you bought it already done? Kills the "tuning" aspect
@EdwinElizee It'd probably start at 20 grand. After all, the cars it wants to compete with (Mustang V6, Camaro V6, Mazda RX8 (i know that the RX will be dead soon, and hopefully replaced by another one, but still...), Hyundai Genesis Coupe, Mazda MX5), they all start around that price range.
@THEMAN201111 It's not competing with the Mustang, Camaro or Genesis. I really wish people would stop pitting the it against those cars. They are no where near it's competition. If all you people were to follow over on ft86club, you'd see it's named competition is the CR-Z, RX8, & Miata. All 3 of which are light, small cars. This car is a front MID engine NOT front engine like the Mustang/Camaro/Genesis, nor does it weigh over 3100lbs like those cars, nor does it have 300+hp.
@Xown95 Yes- that is right. All of the forums and websites have said the same thing. It's lightweight but they should have stuck more to how the concept looked like. That was hot.
Take your 25k and buy a used 350z/370z and get a real car, this thing is a rear wheel drive scion tC with 20 more HP.
acbarnett10 1 week ago
I use to have high hopes for this car. but its so far from the Concept model... I will pass... And yes im aware that cars change from the concept but I feel they had it right with the concept.
euricdinkins 2 weeks ago
@euricdinkins i totally agree, look nothing like the concept. very disappointed with the turn out.
blaziankhmer 1 week ago
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euricdinkins 2 weeks ago
how does a car have 47/50 weight distribution?
maxon18s 2 weeks ago
I used to follow this car like 2 years ago. Now I dont seem to be that interested seeing the final concept.
kidkindacool 3 weeks ago
I hate Toyota but this car is making me like it. How much do you think it'll be priced?
xairsoftbrandonx 3 weeks ago
perfect distribution of 47/50????? u mean 47/53? just saying bro
zlbzlb 1 month ago
ill buy one and take everything that says scion and replace it with toyota
man0verboard 1 month ago 4
How much will this car cost? I looked it up on google and someone said 25,000 and If that's true. I'm totally getting it. but it sounds a little to good to be true. Please tell me! Thanks.
JoshGonzales512 1 month ago
@JoshGonzales512 well if its badged as scion then yeah it probably will be around that much or maby a little more
shafi3siddiq 1 month ago
@JoshGonzales512 That sounds like a very reasonable price, if it were to be more than that, toyota would probably put it with Lexus not Scion. Remember this has 200 horsepower which isn't that much, so $25k sounds about right
YMCMB4L1F3 3 weeks ago
shoulda called it trueno =)
freshprincehybrid 1 month ago
@freshprincehybrid no levin trueno has the flip up lights
Cedrclovesutube 3 weeks ago
my first car :)
OMGITMES 1 month ago
if this doesnt come out soon, im gonna buy a gti. Im tired of waiting when is/are it/they coming out?
richie2nice 1 month ago
@richie2nice Hey, i just came from a car show and I asked them, it will come out this spring (2012).
marciotube3001 1 month ago
looks like 2000 hyundai tiburon
reaj2010 1 month ago
I like how in the description, it says there's a 47/50 weight distribution. The other 3 percent must be a dealer option
snowman4839 1 month ago
but can it drift?
mytunesf4g 1 month ago
The interior looks pretty bland...
fredmagic09 1 month ago
What happened to the LF-A styled tail lights?
mchandler2112 1 month ago
Does anyone know if the TOYOTA badged version will go on the US market? I know they said "The Toyota 86 GT will go on the us market, possibly wearing a Scion badge." but does that mean the Toyota will absolutely NOT be going in the us? I'm just not a very big scion fan. And no I dont want to buy it on steroids(SUBARU). I'll import the fucker if i have to.
TylerWestaway 1 month ago
@TylerWestaway Its comming only as a Scion. And to be honest who cares? You know its a Toyota so whats the difference? Just badge it as a Toyota if it bothers you that much.
seiferx8 1 month ago
@TylerWestaway I came for a car expo today and they said it will come out with scion badge and subaru in the US . Toyota will no have it here in the US
marciotube3001 1 month ago
IT screams toyota celica all over the sheet metal. Am very disappointed in the bland 2004 revised celica. The concept was 100 times a work of art on wheels.
boostedscooby1 1 month ago
Holy crap that's nice!!!!
tweek0788 2 months ago
Small and short like the old Miata which will be the perfect go-cart on the streets of America. With just 200hp to offer for the same price as the 2013 Genesis coupe with 350hp, no thanks. You going to see a bunch of high school brats driving this because of the fuel sufficient, but I will be dusting them by with my new Genesis Coupe 2013 hahahahhahaha!!!!
forexmarketz 2 months ago
I have a question so the concept one from scion will not ever be released ? i like the scion frs that came out at the la auto show but this one i dont like so much can anyone please tell me if they will ever release the concept version ?
230577979 2 months ago
Price tag is $24,000 for either model. I'm a Subaru Impreza coupe owner right now (1999, normally aspirated) and I can't wait for these to hit dealerships! The sports car is reborn!
SonicProvocateur 2 months ago
@SonicProvocateur Where did you get that price? I doubt the FR-S and BRZ will cost the same.
thesanglee88 2 months ago
@thesanglee88 On the Subaru spec sheet from motortrend straight from the factory it lists it at $25k MSRP. So you know it will be like 27 after taxes, then more like 24 after incentives and rebates. Subaru has already said at the Tokyo Auto Show that they are releasing an STi model, and on NASIOC it's estimated it will be around $32k.
SonicProvocateur 2 months ago
@SonicProvocateur Yup I actually read that article in the MTmag.However, it said 'estimate" and not the final price so it will be around the 25k mark. STI version will be awesome! which means FR-S will be priced lower, perhaps 2-3k less? While I was reading, this statement caught my attention "After few mins of driving through the mountain rds you will wish this car had 100 more hp." B/c of that I'm probably not going to buy it. I hate that feeling STI will be too much for me.
thesanglee88 2 months ago
@thesanglee88 Before I bought my 99 2.5RS coupe, I had a '02 Firebird 3.8 v6 and it had 200hp/230tq, but weighed about 3200lb. It wasn't fast (apx 7.6 0-60), but it felt "quick" and I loved it as a drivers car, was moddable and super reliable. With 2500lb less curb weight, the new FR-S/BRZ will DEFINITELY be more fun to drive, and the STi model will cost the same as my old W66 optioned Firebird. Totally worth it.
SonicProvocateur 2 months ago
@SonicProvocateur Oh yeah, no doubt about being fun to drive. It's just that I hate the feeling of missing the power when you need it. You never felt that? I have to test drive and see how it is before I make my decision. Yes, the STI will be definitely worth it. But I don't have the money to pay for STI or 25k car just for fun. I need a car that I can have fun and enjoy being inside on a long drive. I drive over 1700mile+ every month. I don't want shitty interior lol
thesanglee88 2 months ago
@thesanglee88 Yeah, from time to time I miss some pavement pummeling power, but it's more in the power to weight ratio and "fun to drive" factor which is different for everyone. The most fun car with great gas mileage i've ever driven was a C5 vette, and it's pwr/wght was about 9.5, the BRZ platform will be about 12 with the same mileage. To compare though, an Integra Type-R (same pwr/wght as my car) is roughly 16.
SonicProvocateur 2 months ago
subaru badge would be more expensive, just look at how much sti's how for, there not cheap, there making it affortable with the scion. but everyone knows toyota had the brains....new scion era
VTECDA91 2 months ago
Can someone explain to me why scion get's so much hate? Every video I see of the frs, people say they won't buy because of scion.
TheKevin50cal 2 months ago
@TheKevin50cal idk. well i've been in the xb and tc. It is cheap as hell. That's probably why. That's my guess. if it is reasonably priced with decent interior materials then I wouldn't mind buying SCION fr-s.. purchasing a car at 25k+ just for the 'driving experience' with shitty interior while trying to get a job after college, and pay around $400 a month plus other expenses.. not worth it. For me that is.
thesanglee88 2 months ago
@thesanglee88 right? If it's the same car pretty much, why would you pay more for a different brand? I would rather pay less for something that's practically the same....
TheKevin50cal 2 months ago
@TheKevin50cal Yeah. People would pay extra for the Subaru name and higher quality interior. I don't blame them. This FR-S better be priced right or people will just buy the BRZ. I would sacrifice the comfort and nice/decent interior if this FR-S starts at 21-22k, I would buy it. But if it starts at 24 and up.. I rather pay little more and just get the 2013 Genesis coupe 3.8 with better interior and more power. "Fun" part of it.. I'm pretty sure I can have fun on the GC too.
thesanglee88 2 months ago
They made it look so mild that it is like a girls car.
silviasboy 2 months ago
Concept was waaaaaay better.
silviasboy 2 months ago
Should have kept the concept style and add a turbo version.
agata70 2 months ago
@agata70 i called up to my local toyota dealer a few days ago wanting to put a deposit down on one and was also asking some other questions. i couldnt put a deposit down yet because pricing has not yet been announced. but they had a dude call me back,i forget from where, but he told me a turbo would definitely be available from trd within a year of release. who knows how long that will actually be..
pfog 2 months ago
Why would anyone buy a Scion badged version and not Subaru STI?
DLC1988 2 months ago
@DLC1988 FR-S is most likely cheaper than BRZ, and regardless what happened to Toyota in the recent past, it still has a massive following.
USA99VS1 2 months ago
@DLC1988 well the only way i would have brought a scion is if they stuck with the same interior as the other two. Just to save a little money, they jeopardize sales of the Scion by putting cheap materials for the interior.
Rocistan 2 months ago 2
@Rocistan Yeah.. I personally like the FR-S styling better than the BRZ but I read that FR-S will have cheap interior so they can keep the price low... wack.. BRZ will, I heard, come with Navi system standard but my guess is that it will cost 26k. I really hope they price this car right so I can get one.
thesanglee88 2 months ago
@DLC1988 Probably the Scion version would be more economic as most Scions tend to be.
guyver280z 2 months ago
@guyver280z But it's a pure sports car with a boxer engine ): It's a sequel to the Hachi AE86. Many people are disappointed by this Scion badge and I'm sure an STI badge will be more appealing as well.
DLC1988 2 months ago
@DLC1988 Because Scion is cheaper.
pmp1706 2 months ago
I think the emblem look best with Toyota its more original and it reminds me of the supra,
Suesky 2 months ago
@DLC1988
If its not over 300hp on the BRZ then i rather buy the eov x
Suesky 2 months ago
@Suesky its 200hp boxer engine RWD 47/53 weight distribution. It's 100% different from the EVO and such to each own taste. The selling gimmick behind this car is that it's a sequel to "AE86" which is a legend in the import world.
DLC1988 2 months ago
@DLC1988 insurance rates?
stratusedge2k7 2 months ago
@DLC1988
1)The Subaru BRZ STI was just the concept. The production Subaru BRZ is not an "STI" for now.
2) The anticipated list price for the Subaru is $28,000. The list price for the Scion is $22,500, for an identical car
3) The Subaru has a big piece of black plastic on the front of the car that is going to fade badly
4) You can get a WRX for less than a BRZ
So really, why would you get the Subaru instead of the Scion?
pditty33 3 weeks ago 5
@pditty33 you sure about the 22,500 starting price for the scion? also, any word on the interior quality of the scion?...and compared to its subaru sibling? thanks
ericj305 1 day ago
@DLC1988 Apparently the Scion version is identical to the Toyota version, which is tuned for a bit less understeer/more oversteer compared to the Subaru version.
I would MUCH rather stare at a Subaru emblem than a Scion emblem in the steering wheel. But if the Scion is more fun to drive, I'll take it.
That's a big "if," though. ;)
JustinsSoapbox 1 week ago
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@DLC1988 Apparently the Scion version is identical to the Toyota version, which is tuned for a bit less understeer/more oversteer compared to the Subaru version.
I would MUCH rather stare at a Subaru emblem than a Scion emblem in the steering wheel. But if the Scion is more fun to drive, I'll take it.
That's a big "if," though. ;)
JustinsSoapbox 1 week ago
@debroq Subaru in Europe, scion in the United States, and Toyota in Japan
banannaninja 2 months ago
i wudnt buy this car at first. maybe wait for a TRD or an STI edition to this car then buy it. im leaning towards scion more cuz they are own by toyota and plus this car has a lito lexus LFA ook in it with the headlights
ba11izlife 2 months ago
Well what is it - a Scion or a Toyota?
debroq 2 months ago
@debroq And Subaru BRZ.
USA99VS1 2 months ago
DUDE. ITS A FUCKIN GENESIS!!!
belizetj 2 months ago
@belizetj Genesis can't even begin to compare.
USA99VS1 2 months ago
@USA99VS1 Oh yeah, one is a NA Toyota and the other is a Turbo Hyundai. Doesnt matter that they have the exact same specs and look exactly the same. My bad. :P
belizetj 2 months ago
@belizetj Hyundai... it's just a fad.
USA99VS1 2 months ago
@USA99VS1 So is Scion.
belizetj 2 months ago
@belizetj Scion isn't a fad, it's a niche, Toyota's sportier division that caters more youthful population.
USA99VS1 2 months ago
@USA99VS1 Scion is more of a fad than Hyundai. Brand for Brand, Hyundai had been around way longer than Scion. Scion was just made to boost Toyota's younger sales, which they did a good job of doing, which makes it a HUGE fad. Toyota did a dick move by replacing the Celica GT-S with the p.o.s tC that is slow as fuck. And truthfully xAs, xBs, and xDs were total garbage, which they greatly improved on. Now it looks like Toyota/Scion is trying to copy Hyundai with the FR-S, but with a n/a motor.
belizetj 2 months ago
@belizetj Toyota copy Hyundai? Tell me what you smoke, I want some.
USA99VS1 2 months ago
@USA99VS1 Dude, I smoke some of the best Belizean high grade. But yes, you can see they look exactly the same, and have the exact same specs...
belizetj 2 months ago
It's gonna be pretty tough to find room for a turbo with the engine as low and far back as it is. Subaru had the same issue when they were contemplating a turbo version of the BRZ.
There are rumors of a possible TRD Supercharger kit down the road, though.
CDMVette 2 months ago
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I think this car reminds me a bit of the RX-7. I know its a very different mechanically but their both light weight, rear drive, great handling coups!!
west2401 2 months ago
This is the Toyota version people -_-"
Scion version has slight variations and I would take that one over the Toyota version
spitfire321 2 months ago
Boy they really let me down, shoulda stuck with the concept.
nudypoo 2 months ago
so.... is this what you get when you lock a supra and a celica in the same room without condoms?
B0RN2RACE100 2 months ago
I like the look of this car. Yes, the prototype would have been nice, but I want this car to stay under 30k. Low-20's would be optimal, honestly. The lack of sophisticated computer systems will definitely help lessen the complexity of this car.
Don't like the badges? De-Badge them and put your own on. This is a car meant for customization. People want a tuner and yet want everything done for them by the auto manufacturer. That isn't the point of a car like this. I would buy this over a Miata.
TheReapersSon 2 months ago
they really needed to put a turbo in this..it would have been a great platform for tuners
oh well...
Mr6Stang 2 months ago
@Mr6Stang
It is a good platform for tuners, though. Minimal computer complexity and a low-center of gravity. Reports put this car at 0-62mph in about 6 seconds.
TheReapersSon 2 months ago
@TheReapersSon true it does have some potential but not as much potential as a car with a turbo. It has a near perfect 53/47 weight ratio which provides great tuning potential handling wise. This car will probably end up being a car that is tuned for drifting and handling but not for high power. The engine is somewhat tunable due to an unlocked ecu. The main point I'm trying to make is that performance wise this isnt a really good platform in comparison to a supra (extreme example)
Mr6Stang 2 months ago
@Mr6Stang dude the only thing that judges the cars power output potential is the engine itself, a turbo is forced induction and you can bet there will be turbo kits released for this car and maybe even a turbo model or kit released by toyota and/or subaru. this car is actually a much better platform in comparison to a supra the only difference being that the supra had a larger engine but the power output of that 6 in the supra was pretty much the same as what this 4 is putting out.
4040tee 2 months ago
@4040tee " the power output of that 6 in the supra was pretty much the same as what this 4 is putting out."
but the supra comes stock with a turbo so.... and i highly doubt that there will be a turbo model until maybe the next generation and that's even if they decide to go that route. there will definitely be turbo kits for this car but there are turbo kits for most cars out there... also, lets not consider the fact that the supra is a much older car? technology advances as time goes on man
Mr6Stang 2 months ago
@Mr6Stang
There -will- be a turbo version. lets not forget this is a naturally aspirated 2 liter boxer four, a subaru motor with toyota's direct injection. the brz sti may be a concept now, but for sure they'll be putting a turbo in there when it sees production (and they'd be stupid not to put it into production).
this chassis is much better than the supra- it's incredibly light, most likely stiffer too. we're a decade past the last engineering thought that went into the supra.
AWJFunk 2 months ago
GREAT looking sports car..
kestkr 2 months ago
You guys are all ripping on this car but its the next great tuning platform...why?...because its cheap and its a 6 speed rwd car! Price is supposedly going to be 20k and the other was a concept of course the concept is going to look amazing but if they actually put the concept into production it would be ten times more expensive!! They made it affordable so be grateful I can't wait for this thing to hit the market
nismo0303 2 months ago
@nismo0303 25k which is like a gti but rwd.... a little bit overpriced however a commendable car
(much better than a gti, just used that example for pricing)
Mr6Stang 2 months ago
concept was better looking....
i dont want to drive this one ;p
RadTaba 2 months ago
@RadTaba if they went with concept form, this car would cost probably ten thousand more.
rivengle 2 months ago
@rivengle I would have paid the extra 10k
nudypoo 2 months ago
whhhy did they brand this as a scion????
shimazu333 2 months ago
This is not the FR-S....
DJSupraKidd 2 months ago
They need to make a TRD version of this thing, they got a sti version of the BRZ.....
Jah2070 2 months ago
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both companies should have made the concept cars, better looking wheels and body panels. and the diffusers on the FR-S concept oh man what a win and then they made this......
the Toyota GT-86 (aka Scion FR-S in North America) and the Subaru BRZ production car are no good, looks wise
archie015 2 months ago
I like what toyota is trying to do but the car does not look good. The wheels alone look cheap. Great idea bad execution
wrxsti28 2 months ago
@wrxsti28 You can always change wheels, add suspension, and do other things. What fun would it be if you bought it already done? Kills the "tuning" aspect
ejwagner5487 2 months ago
Should be relatively inexpensive, as here in the US we will be sold the car as a Scion.
TheDoctaDro 2 months ago
does anyone know the price yet?
EdwinElizee 3 months ago
@EdwinElizee It'd probably start at 20 grand. After all, the cars it wants to compete with (Mustang V6, Camaro V6, Mazda RX8 (i know that the RX will be dead soon, and hopefully replaced by another one, but still...), Hyundai Genesis Coupe, Mazda MX5), they all start around that price range.
THEMAN201111 2 months ago
@THEMAN201111 It's not competing with the Mustang, Camaro or Genesis. I really wish people would stop pitting the it against those cars. They are no where near it's competition. If all you people were to follow over on ft86club, you'd see it's named competition is the CR-Z, RX8, & Miata. All 3 of which are light, small cars. This car is a front MID engine NOT front engine like the Mustang/Camaro/Genesis, nor does it weigh over 3100lbs like those cars, nor does it have 300+hp.
unresolved777 2 months ago
@EdwinElizee According to Topspeed.com, it looks like it will be a little higher then 25k
Xown95 2 months ago
@Xown95 Yes- that is right. All of the forums and websites have said the same thing. It's lightweight but they should have stuck more to how the concept looked like. That was hot.
Rocistan 2 months ago