John Butcher (saxophones) John Edwards (double bass)

[nobodady1]

It's as if they found these instuments washed up on a beach or somewhere. They never heard of them, and no one taught them anything about them. They had had curiosity as their guides and this is what happened. Yet,clearly, these techniques are often discovered at the edges of common practice. Innocences meets experience. I don't hear the bloody 60's (as one comment cites), I hear now.

[mrkanyuk]

amazing.. I guess the Sixties is alive and Healthy....

[JPSaxMan]

Does anyone these days have an idea of melody?

[heathdwatts]

@JPSaxMan Music doesn't require a melody, or for that matter, harmony or rhythm. This is free improvisation, and has been around for a long time. You will do your future students a great disservice by forcing them to think of music as an objective means of expression. If you want objectivity, I'd suggest you study science instead. I hope that you can make music fun and interesting for your students, instead of a chore of reading little black dots and playing the music of "great" dead people.

[JPSaxMan]

@heathdwatts I would also do my students a great disservice by letting them think that music is anything that can be put into a Dr. Beat; with no rhyme or reason. I would do them an equal disservice by not teaching them the theory, the discipline, and the beauty of making melody, harmony, and rhythm come together to make wonderful music. What they choose to do after that is their choice. I will surely expose them to all kinds of music.

[heathdwatts]

@JPSaxMan Your inability to find "rhyme and reason" in a particular piece of music does not make it less valid than the music of the composers that you listed in your follow up post. Musical taste is completely subjective; I've listened to classical music and find most of it uninspiring and tedious. Incidentally, John Butcher, the saxophonist in the video that you are criticizing, has a PhD in physics and has also spent thousands of hours honing his musical skills. You have much to learn...

[JPSaxMan]

@heathdwatts I also prefer to have substance to the music I make and listen to but here again, that is simply my preference. I am not criticizing any one person; I have yet to mention John Butcher in a personal attack or personal inference. I asked a simple question about melody. As a musician I cannot stand music that is so random that I cannot find a common thread, or something to follow. I want to hear a story when I listen to music; when I can't hear it, it is simply a matter of discomfort.

[gudigadi]

@JPSaxMan "As a musician I cannot stand music that is so random that I cannot find a common thread, ".....it is you inability to see the point of this music and follow it...tough shit mr "musician", still a long way to go

[bjedwards]

@JPSaxMan "I want to hear a story when I listen to music; when I can't hear it, it is simply a matter of discomfort" i know you are trying to diplomatic but maybe you should read a few more books

[JPSaxMan]

@heathdwatts Again my personal opinion is that when one makes music out of slaptongues, squaks, squeaks, and multiphonics, and uses no other MUSICAL device I become slightly agitated as a listener. I know I am not the only one, I also know there are those that like this music; so be it. More power to them. I am simply posing another point of view on how composers are taking modern music to an extreme that to me is simply unmusical, and more mechanical. Perhaps that might be why Dr. Butcher...

[JPSaxMan]

prefers to make this kind of music. Physics and sciences in general tend to be of a mechanical nature, last I checked. Which is fine; different strokes for different folks. Yes I know I have a lot to learn, and so do you, and that is why we are still living in this life. There isn't one greater than any of us other than the God who created us. I simply am expressing my opinion (which I believe to be based off of multiple attempts to listen and "like" modern music) towards this matter.

[JPSaxMan]

@heathdwatts I also see you are creator of this sort of music yourself. More power to you, good sir. If this is what you strive to be excellent at, and make it a point to be better today than yesterday, I have nothing wrong with that and I certainly hope you found none of my comments to be personal because they are not. I am only human and I am not locking myself into the idea that perhaps one day my mind will change on this genre of music but for now, I have my story and I'm stickin' to it!

[JPSaxMan]

@heathdwatts If you feel it is a "chore" to read the music of Handel, Haydn, Beethoven, Mozart, and even more modern composers like Mahler, Weber, Wagner, and Whitacre, Ticheli, and Maslanka, then I believe you need to find another profession. I will make my students strive for excellence no matter what it may be. It is just my personal opinion that music in this age has gone too far into the "gray" area and we have lost the meaning of what is beautiful. Will I force that on my students? No!

[PSIchiater]

Gute Musiker,tolle Sounds!